[00:00] <dimsum> charlie
[00:07] <fbc> How do I view gb2312 encoded websites?? I guess I need the font?
[00:11] <nikolam> fbc, do you have a site i can go and look at it, so i can see hoe it behaves here?
[00:12] <fbc> http://mexicoetal.com/zh
[00:12] <zoredache> fbc: maybe, you may also need to adjust the languages you accept in your browser prefs... in ff it is 'content' tab of the prefs
[00:13] <nikolam> it dispays vine here at me. both ff and seamonkey
[00:14] <nikolam> fbc go to wikipedia.org and see if it can dispays all characters on start page
[00:15] <fbc> yeas some look ok, but others are garbled..
[00:17] <nikolam> fbc try to install msttcorefonts
[00:17] <nikolam> for a start
[00:19] <fbc> nikolam, i cold see the wikipedia page just fine... but I'm installing the mst package anyways.
[00:20] <nikolam> fbc, I myself have some languages characters not dispayed at wikipedia page but jus a few at the bottom.
[00:20] <fbc> I know my problem.. I need to convert the encoding on my website to UTF-8. It's mixed GB2312 and UTF-8 and the gb2312 stuff is what is showing up like garbaage.
[00:21] <nikolam> fbc mostly character problem is due to web site designer not using unicode on all page content. They can be contacted about this.
[00:21] <nikolam> fbc Thar is right :)
[00:21] <fbc> I need to figure out how to convert from gb2312 to utf-8 chinese characters.
[00:21] <nikolam> I use UTF everywhere, anyway :) Ћао, где си :)
[00:22] <nikolam> fbc maybe just saving files in editor like in UTF?
[00:23] <fbc> hmm, I don't think it will be that easy..
[00:23] <nikolam> anyway, utf is way to go.
[00:55] <TheSheep> qgtkstyle is nice, finally all the kde/qt applications look good in gnome
[02:09] <xenocide21_> Uber: http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uberdesktopba4.png
[02:25] <xenocide21_> Package opera is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:25] <xenocide21_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:25] <xenocide21_> is only available from another source
[02:25] <xenocide21_> why????
[02:35] <Odd-rationale> !medibuntu | xenocide21_
[02:35] <Odd-rationale> the !medibuntu repo has opera
[02:44] <xenocide21_> =/
[02:46] <xenocide21_> i dont get it...
[02:46]  * xenocide21_ is a noob >.>
[02:46] <xenocide21_> damn xfce for not having its own web browser like all the rest of the GUI's
[02:54] <Odd-rationale> xenocide21_: add the medibuntu repo... then you can install opera. as opera is in the medibunti repo...
[02:56]  * xenocide21_ doesnt know how
[02:57] <xenocide21_> all i know how to do is Source Mage GNU/Linux =/ and even that i have limited knowledge in, i dont know much about any other distros
[02:57] <rocko> http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/721000774939/
[03:05] <xenocide21_> hrm
[03:06] <xenocide21_> need to re install flash to work with konqueror, and i forgot the package name for flash, anyone know it?
[03:17] <steelcityjim> good evening
[03:18] <steelcityjim> looking for some help with ubunto 8.10 server
[03:18] <steelcityjim> can anyone answer a few ?;s
[03:18] <charlie-tca>    You can try here, but may have more luck on #ubuntu-server
[03:19] <steelcityjim> ok cool ill try there thanks charlie
[04:18] <amy_> Can anyone tell me how to get my USB numpad to work?
[04:38] <txDEF> good evening all
[04:39] <mr-t---> hey ho
[04:39] <txDEF> I am having an issue installing xubuntu 8 on an MSI MS-6131 with a bios from 98 but it will not recognize the hdd
[04:40] <txDEF> pnp is disabled already and no change
[04:40] <mr-t---> maybe try the alt install
[04:41] <mr-t---> thats what I had to do with this old toshiba lappy
[04:41] <fbc_> So what are the bluetooth utils that should work with xubuntu?
[04:41] <txDEF> thanks mr-t--- i'll try that
[04:41] <mr-t---> sorry I am bluetooth ingnorant
[04:41] <sophi> anyone please help me ... i have problem installing lgtk-x11-2.0
[04:42] <sophi> How to install gtk-x11-2.0 package?
[04:43] <sophi> How to install gtk-x11-2.0 package?
[04:43] <mr-t---> and the error is....
[04:44] <sophi> any idea?
[04:45] <txDEF> mr-t--- it keeps saying BIOS cutoff 2000 and my version is 1998, is that of any concern?
[04:45] <mr-t---> what errors are you getting?
[04:45] <mr-t---> I dunno
[04:46] <txDEF> thanks anyway
[04:46] <mr-t---> can you update your bios?
[04:47] <amy_> Can anyone tell me how to get my USB numpad to work?
[04:47] <mr-t---> since my bios is 2000 I couldn't say for sure
[04:48] <mr-t---> what's ausb numpad?
[04:48] <fbc_> So what are the bluetooth utils that should work with xubuntu?
[04:49] <fbc_> Doesn't the xubuntu project include bluetooth programs?
[04:50] <txDEF> I am having difficulty finding a BIOS update due to the age of the system, MSI does not recognize the system on their website!
[04:50] <sophi> How to install gtk-x11-2.0 package?
[04:51] <sophi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116692/
[04:52] <mr-t---> fbc look here http://linuxchronicles.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/bluetooth-in-xubuntu-804/
[04:55] <mr-t---> txDEF: did you try the alt anyway?
[04:58] <sophi> How to install gtk-x11-2.0 package?
[04:59] <txDEF> trying but not very familar with the alt install, where can I get instructions on that?
[05:00] <mr-t---> go to the xubuntu site and download a copy of the alt cd burn and install
[05:01] <txDEF> ah that kind of alt install, okay thanks mr-t---
[05:02] <mr-t---> yw
[05:02] <sophi> #gtk
[05:07] <sophi> #gdk
[05:24] <Dat1> ﻿rocko: ok, just got some advice in #ubunut to install ext2 driver for windows, then create a partion on my drive in NTFS and keep the driver there for later installs on other machines.  :)
[05:24] <Dat1> thanks, bye
[05:36] <sophi> How to install gtk-x11-2.0 package?
[06:24] <sophi> #gtk
[08:09] <vallhalla81> hi there  all i am having some trouble with my xubuntu  install when i load it there  are  no panels  and i cant right click on the desk top i can get to a tty  and suggestions please
[08:27] <akis> i am running xubuntu in xcfe desktop. i tried to install a tetris game named 2h4u and the installer gave me the message:dependency is not satisfiable: libc6. I tried also to install another game named pychess (chess game) and the installer gave the message:dependency is not satisfiable: python-central. Any idea on what can i do to isnatll the games?
[08:35] <zoredache> how are you trying to install these games?
[08:37] <akis> they are deb packages. i doubleclicked on them and opened the isntaller dialog.
[08:38] <zoredache> where did you get them from?
[08:38] <akis> from here: http://www.getdeb.net/
[08:38] <zoredache> just because something is a .deb doesn't mean that it will be installable in xubuntu
[08:39] <akis> the 2h4u is here: http://www.getdeb.net/app/Too+Hard+For+You
[08:40] <akis> how could i know if it is installable or not?
[08:41] <zoredache> they offer 4 versions there, are you sure you got the right one?
[08:42] <akis> i 've got the files form here http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=tetris
[08:43] <akis> the 2 downloadable files 2h4u.deb and *data.deb
[08:44] <akis> data file is easy installable but the 2h4u.deb smallest package gave me the message about libc6
[08:45] <zoredache> are you sure you got the right version?  If you are running 32 bit, you'll need the 32 bit version, if your running intrepid you'll need the intprepid package...
[08:58] <akis> ok thanks
[08:59] <Pet^Aw> hi
[09:00] <Pet^Aw> Sorry, there is an editor C/C++ on Xubuntu ??
[09:25] <jevin_> Pet^Aw try installing kate.
[09:25] <jevin_> to use the embedded console in kate install also konsole
[09:25] <jevin_> sudo apt-get install kate konsole
[09:28] <Myrtti> jevin: you missed him by 20 minutes
[09:29] <vallhalla81> hi i am having trouble with my xubuntu machine it loads most of the way but sits at the desktop showing icons but no panels i cant click  icons or right click the desk top all i ca do is get to a tty can any one help please
[10:05] <vallhalla81> nvm i shall reinstall
[11:02] <rocko> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/08/2043206&from=rss
[16:05] <diginux> ive upgraded to jaunty, im not seeing where i can editing the right click menu anymore, is it not possible anymore?
[16:08] <diginux> You may change the appearance of the Main Menu (Applications) with the menu editor. Launch it with Applications → Settings → Settings Manager → Menu Editor.
[16:08] <diginux> i see no menu editor
[16:08] <diginux> :(
[16:13] <diginux> anyone here?
[16:14]  * genii hands diginux a coffee
[16:16] <charlie-tca> I think settings for the right-clcik menu are under Desktop. As for the Menu Editor, it may not have caught up to Jaunty yet
[16:16] <charlie-tca> There are still some missing items. Do you have Synaptic Package Manager?
[16:18] <diginux> charlie-tca: yeah, when i run xfce4-menueditor, it says, install xfdesktop4 for that command, but it is already installed..
[16:18] <charlie-tca> It should come later then. It is, after all, still alpha. There are some difficulties yet
[16:19] <diginux> well damn :(
[16:19] <diginux> the default menu is super annoying
[16:19] <diginux> i guess ill just have to edit by hand
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Boy, do I know that one
[16:20] <charlie-tca> I keep hoping to get VirtualBox working again.
[16:20] <diginux> did yours break too?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I can't seem to get it to work again, in Jaunty
[16:21] <diginux> after i upgraded it didnt work for me, so i had to basically delete .VirtualBox and start over
[16:21] <diginux> yeah, no log either, just click start and it just flickered on then off right again
[16:21] <diginux> and no way to find a debug message or anything
[16:21] <charlie-tca> I been trying to avoid that. I have about 20 different installs in it
[16:22] <charlie-tca> Mine said it was missing the VBox kernel image
[16:22] <diginux> yeah, i even tried moving the folder, making a new system image, then copying the old image over, didnt work
[16:22] <diginux> oh hmm
[16:22] <diginux> your error sounds different
[16:22] <charlie-tca> Still = broken
[16:22] <diginux> maybe try uninstalling all the virtualbox stuff then reinstall so it forces it to rebuild the kernel parts
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Using ??; I don't know that apt-get reinstall ???? will work. Synaptic Package Manager disappeared yesterday
[16:24] <charlie-tca> My internet connection is down to under 300kbs today. Normally it is 600kbs
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Maybe after I get today's ISO images, I will try again
[16:25] <diginux> charlie-tca: i used synaptic, i dont know the actual name of the pcakges for vbox, i just removed everything that had virtual box that was installed
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's my point. I can't use Synaptic, because it went away
[16:27] <charlie-tca> It's just like magic, poof, it's gone today
[16:27] <charlie-tca> y
[16:31] <diginux> if you open a console and type synaptic, what does it say?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> not found, needs to be installed...
[16:32] <diginux> do sudo apt-get install synaptic
[16:32] <charlie-tca> More important: why did it go away? It was installed until the updates
[16:36] <johan12> hi y'all, when extracting an archive, is there a way to que other archives? example, when using winxp, to extract a season of lost i just searched the folder with all the episodes for *.r01 and the selected all to extract on desktop..
[16:38] <diginux> charlie-tca: not sure, mine stayed installed, could have some weird dependency thing
[16:38] <charlie-tca> well, *#$%
[16:38] <Myrtti> johan12: unrar e *.r00 or unrar e *.rar has worked for me
[16:39] <diginux> johan12: yo could do find . -name *.r01 | xargs -n1 unrar x
[16:39] <Myrtti> ymmv
[16:39] <Myrtti> what I mean is that unrar "recurses" to the other files
[16:39] <Myrtti> if you pick the right one to unrar
[16:40] <johan12> no similair way with file roller or xarchive?
[16:40] <Pet^Aw> hi, there is a textual editor C/C++ (with text color , line numbers....) for Xubuntu ??
[16:41] <Myrtti> Pet^Aw: plenty
[16:41] <Myrtti> johan12: I'd suspect fileroller recurses similarly, since it actually is only a frontend to unzip, unrar, gunzip etc.
[16:43] <Myrtti> Pet^Aw: lots of editors have all that, some may have things like line numbers as an option not on by default
[16:43] <Pet^Aw> Myrtti: Ok
[16:43] <diginux> Pet^Aw: eclipse has c/c++ bindings
[16:44] <Myrtti> Pet^Aw: starting from nano to vi/vim to emacs, continuing with editra, eclipse, gedi
[16:44] <Pet^Aw> diginux: ok
[16:44] <Myrtti> there's probably more text editors for coders than any other app
[16:45] <Myrtti> the old joke in the world is, after all, that every programmer codes a text editor for themselves as their first thing
[16:45] <Pet^Aw> okok
[16:45] <Pet^Aw> :-)
[16:45] <Myrtti> I personally prefer emacs and editra
[16:45] <Pet^Aw> but gedit don't run on Xubuntu ?
[16:45] <Myrtti> again, your mileage may vary
[16:45] <Myrtti> Pet^Aw: why wouldn't it?
[16:46] <johan12> diginux: will "find . -name *.r01 | xargs -n1 unrar x" unrar archives in subfoldes?
[16:46] <Myrtti> Pet^Aw: it's not installed by default, that's true, but I can't see no reason why it wouldn't run on xubuntu...
[16:46] <charlie-tca> Sure gedit runs on Xubuntu, you just need to install it - sudo apt-get install text-editor , I think
[16:46] <Pet^Aw> i read gedit is only for gnome version
[16:46] <charlie-tca> That is the first thing I install
[16:47] <Myrtti> Pet^Aw: don't believe everything you read :-)
[16:47] <diginux> johan12: it should, id need to test it though
[16:47] <johan12> diginux: just tested it and it worked perfect :D thx a lot
[16:47] <Pet^Aw> Myrtti , ok i try to install gedit
[16:47] <Pet^Aw> thanks
[16:48] <diginux> johan12: great!
[17:09] <G-Blunted> How do i see what options are used when opening xterm from the Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal link?
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Check the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/
[17:11] <charlie-tca> G-Blunted: I think it is xfce4-term
[17:12] <G-Blunted> oh ya
[17:12] <G-Blunted> not xterm
[17:12] <G-Blunted> but how do i see what options/switches/flags are used when i open it from the menu?
[17:12] <G-Blunted> cause when i open it from my hotkey it looks different
[17:12] <G-Blunted> it's really small and stuff
[17:14] <charlie-tca> you look for 'Exec=xfterm4'
[17:15] <charlie-tca> that is the menu executable file and options
[17:18] <G-Blunted> ok
[17:21] <G-Blunted> hey you're right
[17:21] <G-Blunted> that works perfect...
[17:21] <G-Blunted> now ALT+F2 = xfterm4 ... w00t!
[17:21] <charlie-tca> :-)
[17:22]  * charlie-tca finally got one right
[17:26] <G-Bleezy> havn't seen you get one wrong yet! what you talkin about?
[17:27] <G-Bleezy> hey what is the 'tca' in your name?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> The other day, I never got one right
[17:27] <charlie-tca> tca refers to my multiple sclerosis support team - TeamCharliesAngels
[17:29] <charlie-tca> DISCLAIMER: also see http://teamcharliesangels.com
[17:29] <G-Bleezy> ohh
[17:29] <charlie-tca> Just makes it easier to keep the name straight when it is charlie
[17:30] <G-Bleezy> ohh...so your name isn't actually "Charlie" right?
[17:31] <charlie-tca> Name really is "Charlie"
[17:31] <G-Bleezy> ohhh
[17:31] <G-Bleezy> that's cool..
[17:31] <charlie-tca> but there are thousands of charlies out there
[17:31] <charlie-tca> seeing my own name helps with my realizing it is me
[17:32] <G-Bleezy> good call
[17:32]  * charlie-tca knows ms causes some short term memory loss
[17:33] <Myrtti> I've got my own messages in purple so I see by colour they're mine :-)
[17:33] <charlie-tca> how do you do that?
[17:33] <Myrtti> depends on your client
[17:33] <Myrtti> I've got my irssi themes
[17:34] <charlie-tca> I'm on XChat
[17:37] <G-Bleezy> hey howcome you use Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu?
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Works better on my older hardware
[17:38] <G-Bleezy> what is your older hardware?
[17:38] <Myrtti> xubuntu supplies me with enough of tinkering and fiddling around, and gives me space to adjust my desktop up to my own preferences
[17:39] <charlie-tca> I just retired the PII 400MHz system, now have 866MHz P3, 1.4GHz P4, 2.2GHz amd64
[17:39] <G-Bleezy> Myrtti, Unbuntu doesn't do that?
[17:39]  * charlie-tca also likes the colors better
[17:39] <G-Bleezy> those are pretty old..
[17:39] <G-Bleezy> I am on a 1.4ghz i think..
[17:39] <charlie-tca> But they work great on Xubuntu
[17:40] <G-Bleezy> well that is good...
[17:40] <G-Bleezy> did you try them on Ubuntu?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Yes, several times. I do a lot of testing, so install both Ubuntu and Xubuntu on them often
[17:41] <Myrtti> G-Bleezy: sure it does, but it also adds a lot of stuff that I don't actually need. Like OpenOffice or Rhythmbox
[17:41] <G-Bleezy> ahh
[17:41] <G-Bleezy> x2
[17:42]  * charlie-tca nods in agreement with Myrtti 
[17:42] <G-Bleezy> well i guess thats all good reasons for me to use Xubuntu too :)
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I think it is good for everybody. It is cleaner and nicer than Gnome
[17:43] <charlie-tca> at least in my opinion
[17:43] <Myrtti> install emacs on top of xubuntu and I'm ready to go ;-)
[17:44] <Myrtti> well, lots of other stuff too, but they I'd have to install on Ubuntu as well
[17:44] <charlie-tca> I do everything in Gedit instead
[17:44] <Myrtti> my most used apps don't come with any of the distros by default anyway
[17:44] <charlie-tca> I just can't get emacs or vim in my head
[17:45] <Myrtti> so better to use the easiest to install but most slimmed down and install the necessities on top of that
[17:45] <charlie-tca> so true. I don't remove even close to as much from Xubuntu as Ubuntu to use the stuff I want
[17:46] <Myrtti> can't live without tasque, gnome-do, terminator, gwibber, screenlets, claws-mail, emacs, latex, auctex, qalculate, rapidsvn etc...
[17:51] <G-Bleezy> hmm..i never heard of any of those except emacs
[17:51] <G-Bleezy> and terminator is some first person shooter like emulator?
[17:54] <Myrtti> nope, terminal emulator like xfce4-terminal and gnome-terminal
[17:54] <Myrtti> a bit more to my liking though
[18:58] <G-Bleezy> !x
[18:58] <G-Bleezy> !x11
[18:58] <G-Bleezy> !wm
[19:00] <Odd-rationale> Need help with something?
[19:23] <G-Bleezy> nothing in particular..
[20:06] <alienkid> hi guys typing this from my laptop, my desktop just froze and doing ctrl+alt+bksp doesn't work what should I  do?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> If you tap the caps lock or num lock keys, do the lights blink?
[20:08] <alienkid> yep
[20:08] <alienkid> on my wireless hub for my mouse and keyboard
[20:08] <TheSheep> does alt+ctrl+f1 switch you to text console? (alt+ctrl+f7 to go back)
[20:09] <alienkid> nope
[20:09] <zoredache> you may be left with simply toggling the power... :|
[20:09] <charlie-tca> If you give it a few minutes, it may start working
[20:09] <TheSheep> try alt+ctrl+sysrq+s and then alt+ctrl+sysrq+b
[20:09] <charlie-tca> It is not completely froze until the lights no longer will work
[20:10] <TheSheep> that will sync and reboot
[20:10] <zoredache> oh, if you have ssh installed, have you tried sshing in?
[20:10] <alienkid> wait f1 may not be working becuase of "f lock"
[20:10] <alienkid> I am using a "microsoft wireless multimedia keyboard v1.1"
[20:11] <alienkid> toggling "F lock" works
[20:11] <zoredache> so you are able to get to a console now?
[20:11] <alienkid> alt+ctrl+f1 doesn't
[20:11] <alienkid> no
[20:11]  * charlie-tca locks the keyboard up completely when he does it
[20:12] <alienkid> how do I press all those keys at once?
[20:12] <zoredache> hitting caps/scroll/fn won't really tell you anything if you are using wireless
[20:12] <zoredache> yes, all at once
[20:12] <charlie-tca> alienkid: hold down the ALT and CTRL keys and tap F1
[20:12] <charlie-tca> then let go
[20:12] <alienkid> ok
[20:13] <alienkid> Got a console!
[20:14] <alienkid> so what do I do now?
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Was hoping TheSheep was coming back
[20:20] <charlie-tca> can you log in to that console?
[20:22] <alienkid> yeah
[20:23] <alienkid> what can I do from here?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I'm thinking...
[20:24] <charlie-tca> sudo killall gdm - hit enter
[20:24] <charlie-tca> that should kill the desktop
[20:24] <alienkid> ok
[20:24] <charlie-tca> gdm - hit enter
[20:25] <charlie-tca> that should restart gdm and you can log in to the desktop
[20:25] <alienkid> soulh it have taken me to the log in screen?
[20:25] <alienkid> sould
[20:25] <charlie-tca> yes, it should
[20:25] <charlie-tca> If it did not give any errors
[20:26] <alienkid> well I am still at the console
[20:26] <charlie-tca> okay. type  'ps -A | more'  and hit enter
[20:26] <charlie-tca> don't type the quotes
[20:27] <alienkid> ok
[20:27] <charlie-tca> hit space to go through the list and find gdm. You need the number on the right of gdm
[20:27] <charlie-tca> left of gdm
[20:28] <charlie-tca>  q quits the listing
[20:28] <alienkid> ok
[20:28] <charlie-tca> now use 'sudo kill NUMBER' hit enter
[20:29] <alienkid> then try relaunching gdm
[20:29] <charlie-tca> then 'sudo gdm' and hit enter
[20:29] <charlie-tca> should get a login screen
[20:29] <alienkid> ok that worked now I am at gdm
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Now you can go ahead and login
[20:30] <charlie-tca> That restarted the desktop.
[20:30] <alienkid> splash then freeze
[20:30] <charlie-tca> that's bad
[20:30] <charlie-tca> LOL
[20:31] <alienkid> you think!
[20:31] <alienkid> sould I  try that alt+sysrq thing mentioned above?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> sure. then go back to alt+ctrl+f1
[20:32] <alienkid> ok did this alt+sysrq+s then while holding alt+sysrq and releasing S hit B and it rebooted
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Okay, you should be able to get back in when it comes back
[20:33] <alienkid> tell you more whee it's at usplash(if it gets that far)
[20:33] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:34] <alienkid> Grub -> kernal X.yz.a or Kernal x.yz.a(recovery)?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> X.yz.a first. If it hangs again, then recovery
[20:34] <lechon> hello
[20:34] <vinnl> !hi
[20:34] <lechon> i just plugged in a SD card and got a lot of errosr in dmesg
[20:35] <lechon> mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt. ... register dump .... register dump.... mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
[20:35] <lechon> i'm using 8.10 64bit
[20:35] <alienkid> ok charlie It got to gdm same thing logged in got past splash screen and freeze currently in alt+ctrl+f1
[20:37] <charlie-tca> maybe it just needs time to get to the desktop. ALT+F7 takes you back to it
[20:37] <alienkid> ok
[20:38] <alienkid> back to desktop but just like when I came in here, mouse won't move.
[20:40] <alienkid> I don't get this it was working fine yesterday booted to desktop from power in like 2 mins now this
[20:40] <alienkid> *power on
[20:43] <charlie-tca> alienkid: do you get to the desktop?
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Turn off compiz
[20:43] <alienkid> oh yes the desktop is there and everything it's just completely unresponsive
[20:44] <alienkid> compiz isn't installed
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Wireless mouse, right?
[20:44] <alienkid> yes but just pluged in another one and it  won't move
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Try resyncing the mouse to the receiver
[20:44] <alienkid> USB
[20:45] <alienkid> that was my first thought too
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Does ALT+F1 give the drop down menu
[20:47] <namzezam> Problem with login , my user name is in english but my default in hebrew , when changing the language in login, it only changes the user-readable messages on the screen, not the language of the input field -- that is stuck on Hebrew. This issue is also described here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-660830.html !!!Ii is Unsolved!! !!! any hint?
[20:48] <alienkid> no
[20:48] <namzezam> alienkid: the no is for me?
[20:48] <alienkid> I don't think the keyboard is working any more
[20:49] <alienkid> no nam it wasn't
[20:50] <charlie-tca> lights blink?
[20:51] <namzezam> no, the login is nice, but in is hebrew=the defulte, but my user name is in english font
[20:51] <namzezam> so i can not login
[20:51] <alienkid> charlie-tca: yes they do, but ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't even work
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Ctrl
[20:51] <charlie-tca> +Alt+del to restart
[20:52] <charlie-tca> go to recovery mode this time
[20:52] <alienkid> nope nothing even on a non wireless one
[20:52] <namzezam> is it to me?
[20:52] <alienkid> Hard reboot tiime?
[20:52] <namzezam> recovery mode?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> namzezam: I don't have an answer for you
[20:52] <charlie-tca> alienkid: yes
[20:53] <alienkid> ok here goes nothing
[20:53] <charlie-tca> alienkid: good luck
[20:53] <namzezam> charlie-tca: do yu know weher should i look for such answer?
[20:54] <alienkid> *pushes button*
[20:54] <charlie-tca> what version, namzezam
[20:54] <alienkid> Grub -> kernal x.yz.a (recovery) boots
[20:54] <namzezam> u see it is critcal problem, and it should be reported, this should never happened
[20:54] <namzezam> 8.10
[20:55] <charlie-tca> namzezam: I agree, it should not happen. It sounds like a locale issue
[20:55] <namzezam> yes it is
[20:56] <namzezam> in any logout, must be a cheack if the login is posiable
[20:56] <charlie-tca> namzezam: ctrl+alt+f2
[20:56] <namzezam> ok? that makes what?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> log in
[20:56] <alienkid> so should I login and started cping my files over to my USB key?
[20:56] <namzezam> in terminal mode? local eng?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> alienkid: just a minute
[20:56] <alienkid> ok
[20:57] <charlie-tca> namzezam: yes, go to /etc/environment and check the locale
[20:58] <namzezam> could u paste here what should be there for me to login in english?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> mine is empty except the path. I only have english installed
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Also gt to /etc/default/locale and check it
[21:00] <namzezam> charlie-tca:  so i should have it empty or remove that file?
[21:00] <charlie-tca> empty
[21:00] <namzezam> cheack to find what?
[21:00] <namzezam> empty ok!
[21:00] <charlie-tca> check the language
[21:00] <namzezam> ok
[21:01] <charlie-tca> LANGUAGE="en_US:en"
[21:01] <namzezam> yes, hope all is nice, otherwise u would see me back , thanks :)
[21:01] <namzezam> more?
[21:01] <charlie-tca> now you kill gdm and restart it
[21:02] <namzezam> now i am in winodows,
[21:02] <charlie-tca> oh
[21:02] <namzezam> yes, i have no any other way to login
[21:03] <namzezam> so, if all is nice u would not see me, if i have problem when following your instruction, u would see me back for here
[21:03] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:03] <namzezam> thanks
[21:03] <charlie-tca> alienkid: squirming baby
[21:04] <alienkid> yes?
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Yeah, can't type and hold the kid at the same time.
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Handed him off, now
[21:04] <charlie-tca> What happened to recovery mode, or are you at it's menu?
[21:05] <alienkid> menu
[21:05] <charlie-tca> Okay, just let me bring it up
[21:07] <charlie-tca> The best guess I have right now is xfix, first, since that controls the desktop
[21:07] <alienkid> ok
[21:09] <charlie-tca> then maybe root, and run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' which redetects the keyboard and mouse
[21:12] <alienkid> I am now going to try to copy my data to my USB
[21:12] <alienkid> then continue
[21:12] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:12] <alienkid> so you can continue telling me what to do
[21:15] <squidly> I've got an issues with my suspend and poweroff I was hoeping someone could help we with
[21:17] <squidly> I can use pm-suspend to drop my box, but if I use the xfce logout applet, to try to suspend or power off it does not work
[21:18] <squidly> the poweroff gets me to a gdm login page, suspend/hybernate do nothing for me
[21:18] <squidly> good has failied me
[21:18] <alienkid> ok Charlie done
[21:20] <charlie-tca> alienkid: you ran xfix?
[21:20] <alienkid> yep
[21:21] <alienkid> and the reconfigue
[21:21] <charlie-tca> then resume
[21:21] <alienkid> ok
[21:22] <alienkid> gdm -> logged -> splash -> desktop and mouse works!
[21:22] <namzezam> charlie-tca:  :( sorry , am back! same problem in login via ctrl+alt+f2 or any other f..! it keeps loacle of hebrow, never english
[21:23] <charlie-tca> namzezam: I am at a dead end there. I am familiar enough with language support to go further. Sorry.
[21:23] <alienkid> can open Firefox and Thunderbird, so now I am a happy camper
[21:23] <squidly> alienkid: :D
[21:23] <charlie-tca> namzezam: and it won't let you log in to the desktop?
[21:23] <alienkid> thanks for saving me a reinstall
[21:24] <charlie-tca> alienkid: You are welcome
[21:24] <namzezam> no login
[21:24] <namzezam> any way u go
[21:24] <alienkid> bye and thanks again
[21:24] <namzezam> this is critical, it must be roprted, please care fo it, i would need to re install ubuntu
[21:25] <knome> namzezam, can you giva a quick recap?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> namzezam: maybe ask in #ubuntu
[21:25] <namzezam> which is so so sad, i do like 8.10
[21:25] <namzezam> i was there
[21:25] <namzezam> they did not reponed
[21:25] <charlie-tca> did you catch knome?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> He might know how to fix it. Give a recap
[21:26] <namzezam> knome?
[21:26] <knome> namzezam, yes, me.
[21:26] <knome> namzezam, what is your problem, briefly?
[21:26] <namzezam> knome ok
[21:26] <namzezam> Problem with login , my user name is in english but my default in hebrew , when changing the language in login, it only changes the user-readable messages on the screen, not the language of the input field -- that is stuck on Hebrew. This issue is also described here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-660830.html !!!It is Unsolved!! !!! any hint?
[21:27] <namzezam> and this also after ctrl+alt+f2
[21:27] <namzezam> thanks
[21:27] <knome> do you use the hebrew locale?
[21:28] <namzezam> well that is what i did defined but never could login with user in english font
[21:28] <namzezam> i am now from windows
[21:28] <namzezam> could never login with my user name
[21:28] <knome> have you tried to set the language to english and then reboot X with ctrl+alt+backspace?
[21:29] <knome> and if this has worked before, maybe you could remove the hebrew locale from terminal, log in (with hopefully english login screen) and install the hebrew locale back.
[21:29] <namzezam> yes, and setting was to heb, but the user name is eng, and i could never ,since then login
[21:30] <namzezam> here is the problem
[21:30] <namzezam> i can not login
[21:30] <knome> hmm.
[21:30] <namzezam> can not do any thing
[21:30] <namzezam> am out of linux
[21:30] <namzezam> am from woindows
[21:30] <knome> ok..
[21:31] <knome> do you havppen to have openssh-server installed? :)
[21:31] <knome> *happen
[21:31] <namzezam> no
[21:31] <knome> ok
[21:31] <knome> let me boot my laptop where i can test things.
[21:32] <namzezam> i could start by using the 8.10 instaltion cd
[21:32] <knome> ok..
[21:32] <namzezam> ok i wait
[21:32] <namzezam> or should i start with the cd?
[21:32] <knome> charlie-tca, can you remove packages with the live cd?
[21:32] <namzezam> do they have there , kind of repare?
[21:32] <knome> that might be a solution.
[21:32] <knome> i doubt that there is a repair tool for this.
[21:33] <charlie-tca> I think you can with difficulty. It would be better to boot the recovery menu on the hard drive installation
[21:33] <namzezam> it is not live cd? how to get simple live cd, my cd is complete instaltion
[21:33] <zoredache> knome: remove files on the installed system from a livecd?  You could do that... it would be tricky
[21:33] <zoredache> you would need to boot the livecd, mount the filesystem(s), chroot in, and then you could use apt/dpkg
[21:34] <charlie-tca> namzezam: hit ESC when it is starting and pick the 2nd menu choice(recovery)
[21:34] <knome> charlie-tca, but it's still password protected?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Then you can arrow down to root
[21:34] <charlie-tca> not unless it is encrypted
[21:34] <charlie-tca> it gives you a root prompt
[21:35] <knome> namzezam, you should try what charlie-tca suggests
[21:35] <namzezam> ok, here is what i gut:
[21:35] <namzezam> 1, this prob must be reported and be solved for other users!
[21:36] <namzezam> 2. tkae my cd, ESC ->recovery->root
[21:36] <knome> namzezam, sure, but we don't know what lead to it.
[21:36] <namzezam> and hope that it would let me in if not, reinstall ubuntu
[21:36] <charlie-tca> no cd, hit ESC when the system is starting to get the GRUB menu,
[21:37] <charlie-tca> namzezam: do you see a menu when the system is starting?
[21:37] <knome> charlie-tca, do you know who is in charge for gdm in ubuntu?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> no I don't
[21:37] <namzezam> so , if i get in i could cp all the files and let u have those, then it would be good as starting point
[21:37] <knome> i think i'm going to dig in to launchpad then
[21:37] <knome> and try to contact somebody.
[21:38] <namzezam> but if i end up with re instaling, well ,that should be reported with what we have untill now
[21:38] <namzezam> to solve it
[21:38] <namzezam> here is the way
[21:38] <charlie-tca> yes, namzezam. That's why you pick recovery from the grub menu.
[21:38] <charlie-tca> knome: is this his only system?
[21:39] <namzezam> in logout, cheack that same user could login with the defintion as they are if not , DO NOT logout!!!
[21:39] <charlie-tca> namzezam: not really possible. You have windows and ubuntu on this. How does ubuntu know if windows screwed something up on it?
[21:40] <namzezam> no, in ubuntu,
[21:40] <namzezam> alwaysw before logout
[21:40] <knome> charlie-tca, i wouldn't want this to happen for anyone else.
[21:40] <knome> charlie-tca, at least i could ask if this is known.
[21:40] <namzezam> cheack for ability to login  for same user with the defination after loggin out
[21:40] <namzezam> very simple and caching all prob
[21:40] <charlie-tca> i wouldn't either, but I don't think you can guarrantee at logout that the system won't be failing later
[21:41] <namzezam> the deination, u can also have rool back ver , for them
[21:41] <squidly> namzezam: have you tried this?
[21:41] <squidly> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[21:41] <knome> squidly, he can't log in.
[21:41] <squidly> knome: after he get to the recovery
[21:42] <charlie-tca> but he also has not started the recovery menu
[21:42] <knome> yes.
[21:42] <namzezam> squidly:  yes
[21:42] <namzezam> why? is this what made this prob
[21:42] <knome> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=990999&highlight=gdm+login+input+language
[21:42] <knome> looks like the solution is to set the correct language in xorg.conf.
[21:43] <squidly> that could be it too
[21:44] <namzezam> xorg.conf. ?? or fdi??
[21:44] <knome> xorg.conf.
[21:44] <namzezam> what and how?
[21:44] <knome> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:44] <knome> see the link i pasted
[21:45] <namzezam> ok let me read
[21:45] <knome> you should still log in to the recovery
[21:45] <namzezam> this is good new , i will try
[21:45] <knome> also this sounds quite logical.
[21:45] <charlie-tca> namzezam: you should file a bug on this yourself. You know all the issues with it.
[21:46] <namzezam> charlie-tca:  here is what i ask
[21:46] <namzezam> i will try and you will try too
[21:46] <squidly> anyone here know how to fix suspend and power off. When I click poweroff I get pushed to the login screen, suspend does nothing, but if I do use pm-suspend in a terminal, it works.
[21:46] <namzezam> i should and u sould too
[21:46] <namzezam> ok?
[21:47] <namzezam> do not put it all on me, when i still not have way to get into my ubuntu
[21:47] <namzezam> please
[21:47] <charlie-tca> I need you to file the bug, and if you give me the bug report number, I can check it.
[21:47] <knome> namzezam, just try if it works.
[21:47] <namzezam> and , yes i must say , thanks
[21:47] <knome> namzezam, and if it works, let's think about filing the bug then.
[21:47] <namzezam> ok , i will com back from here or there
[21:47] <charlie-tca> file it after you get it working again.
[21:48] <namzezam> yuowould it too
[21:48] <namzezam> please..
[21:48] <arualavi> namzezam, console login isn't an option?
[21:48] <knome> a friend of mine suggest that the incorrect language might have gotten to initramfs also.
[21:48] <arualavi> namzezam, I mean, Ctrl+Alt+F1
[21:48] <knome> but let's try this first.
[21:48] <knome> arualavi, no luck. :)
[21:48] <namzezam> it is the prob, by terminal i gut the smae locale
[21:49] <namzezam> arualavi: y
[21:49] <arualavi> ah ok
[21:49] <namzezam> ctrl +al +f1,2,3,4,5
[21:50] <namzezam> so , i use my cd try recover, but first try recovery which is on my hd
[21:50] <namzezam> but i think that would use the same prefrnces, but we see
[21:52] <namzezam> ok thanks and hope to see u , this way or the other
[21:52] <namzezam> any last moment thought?
[21:53] <zoredache> do you know how to use irc in a terminal?
[21:53] <zoredache> if you can get to a recover console you might want to setup irssi or something and we might be able to help you there
[21:53] <namzezam> zoredache:  no
[21:54] <namzezam> zoredache:  so 1st thing is apt-get install irssi  ??
[22:04] <G-Blunted> Hey howcome when I select some packages in Synaptic it doesn't let me "Apply" and install them??
[22:06] <zoredache> G-Blunted: did you start synaptic without administrative  privileges?
[22:07] <G-Blunted> yes
[22:07] <G-Blunted> well it started automatically
[22:07] <G-Blunted> every time i turn my computer on...but ya
[22:09] <G-Blunted> hey that worked
[22:09] <G-Blunted> i went terminal and typed: sudo synaptic and now i can apply! thx dude :)
[22:13] <lcafiero> knome: ping
[22:13] <knome> lcafiero, pong.
[22:13] <lcafiero> hey, knome -- so I understand that Canonical does not provide *buntu disks other than Ubuntu, correct?
[22:14] <knome> lcafiero, they provide ubuntu and kubuntu, if i'm correct. xubuntu is a community effort, so it leaces us out from that.
[22:15] <knome> lcafiero, at least i've seen kubuntu cd's.
[22:15] <knome> lcafiero, oh, you can get edubuntu as well.
[22:17] <lcafiero> knome, I see. Doesn't seem fair
[22:17] <knome> lcafiero, as i said, xubuntu is community-driven.
[22:18] <knome> lcafiero, maybe you could join #xubuntu-devel and we'll continue there? :)
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Doesn't it also go to using the files in universe/multiverse instead of main
[22:18] <lcafiero> Oh, got it. (sorry, I thought you said to come here).
[22:18] <knome> lcafiero, no problem. :)
[22:23] <G-Blunted> !interface
[22:23] <G-Blunted> how do you get a list of interfaces?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> like network interfaces?
[22:24] <G-Blunted> ya
[22:24] <knome> ifconfig
[22:24] <G-Blunted> that's what i was lookin for!
[22:24] <knome> namzezam, did it work?
[22:25] <namzezam> no
[22:25] <namzezam> :)
[22:25] <namzezam> but i found how i am going to make it
[22:25] <knome> did you get to the recovery terminal?
[22:25] <knome> ok.
[22:25] <namzezam> just let u know
[22:25] <namzezam> i am now instaling inside windows the ubuntu
[22:26] <namzezam> i know i can by this ubuntu accses the exct3 of the old instaltion
[22:26] <namzezam> then i would ask u for next instaction
[22:26] <namzezam> this btw, is not so good news for ubuntu , beoucse it is very not secure
[22:27] <namzezam> it means that if i can modify the instaltion on the ext2 of the ubuntu , being the indipndet one, by the one i install in windows, well this means that ALL it open for non autezised
[22:27] <alienkid> charlie-tca: my brother just install compiz and set it as his window manager then xubuntu went in to "low graphics mode" and then went to gdm but the screen was black so I took him to a console and was wondering how to see whats running?
[22:27] <alienkid> *installed
[22:28] <namzezam> te recovery used the same locales
[22:28] <charlie-tca> alienkid: ps -A | more  is what I use
[22:29] <namzezam> u must, please please do, keep this story well known for who must correct it
[22:29] <namzezam> we have 2 prob:
[22:30] <namzezam> 1. one by instaltion in windows of ubuntu can accses all in the other partion , this is totaly not secure
[22:30] <zoredache> namzezam: the simple fact is, that EVERY operating system has this issue.  If you want your files to be secure setup encryption...
[22:31] <namzezam> 2. the local login problem must never happened, so in logging out , there must be a way to find if the same use by the defination for next login is able to login
[22:31] <namzezam> zoredache:  yes :)
[22:31] <zoredache> if you have physical access to a drive, and it not encyrpted, then you have total access to anyting on it.  Period...
[22:31] <namzezam> just let me have it reported to u
[22:31] <alienkid> sould we uninstall compiz from the console?
[22:31] <namzezam> with hope it would get somewhere
[22:32] <charlie-tca> alienkid: worth trying
[22:32] <alienkid> ok doing so now
[22:32] <namzezam> what is compiz?
[22:32] <zoredache> namzezam: reporting it here wont' really change much.  When you installed, you could have choosen to encrypt the filesystem or your home directory
[22:33] <namzezam> zoredache:  ok
[22:33] <zoredache> I don't t hink the majority of the world is ready for encrypted filesystems to be the default...
[22:33] <knome> then they are ready for compromising their security.
[22:33] <namzezam> well it should be an option a bold option
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Ever try a simple "fix the grub menu" after you encrypt it?
[22:33] <namzezam> with bery nice documentation, simpel etc
[22:33] <charlie-tca> It is impossible
[22:34] <namzezam> what is impossibale?
[22:34] <alienkid> ok uninstalling
[22:34] <charlie-tca> fixing after encrypting
[22:34] <zoredache> grub lives on the small unencrypted partition... fixing grub isn't impossible
[22:34] <zoredache> I'll concede that it is pretty complex though
[22:35] <namzezam> ok, i am now not on encrytion, but i am on to that issue very soon
[22:35] <namzezam> now just let me have my nice ubunu 8.10
[22:35] <charlie-tca> yeah, a simple one-letter typo cost me the installation
[22:35] <namzezam> i repate
[22:36] <namzezam> we must make, BEFORE any logout, a cheack for abilty to login with all the defination being set, so that if it is not possibale, then the user is pormted, while still being loggied in, before login out
[22:37] <namzezam> this is critical issue, and it is not only for locale, and could be also for ancryption prob
[22:37] <namzezam> and it is must do!
[22:37] <namzezam> please make all the alrames up
[22:37] <knome> namzezam, you are free to file a bug report OR fix it yourself.
[22:37] <namzezam> i can not do it,
[22:38] <namzezam> i can not , please belive, i know i am free to,,, i am not connected as u
[22:38] <alienkid> how do I kill a process?
[22:38] <alienkid> from console
[22:38] <knome> you can file a bug report and we can try to affect the people working on this.
[22:38] <knome> alienkid, 'kill [pid]'
[22:38] <zoredache> namzezam: what you ask isn't really something that is going to be possible... First, you would have to save the unencrypted version of the users password somewhere, then you would have to magically know which characters will not be available on their keyboard
[22:38] <charlie-tca> alienkid: sudo kill NUMBER
[22:39] <namzezam> zoredache: no magic, very very simple
[22:39] <knome> namzezam, then why don't you send the patch for us already?
[22:39] <namzezam> 1. when login  have all copied in one place
[22:40] <alienkid> how do I shutdown?
[22:40] <namzezam> 2. before logout, try lgoin , if not then take the old ver and re-login
[22:40] <knome> alienkid, 'sudo shutdown -h now'
[22:40] <charlie-tca> alienkid: sudo shutdown -P now
[22:40] <charlie-tca> is power off
[22:40] <knome> charlie-tca, how do -h and -P differ?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> P implies h
[22:41] <charlie-tca> h is halt; P is poweroff after halt
[22:41] <knome> ok.
[22:41] <zoredache> namzezam: I am sure it probably seems simple to you, but I pretty sure what you ask, is both a very bad idea from a security perspective, and very difficult to implement
[22:41] <alienkid> ok ran -P
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Probably no difference on new systems, but a big difference on old systems
[22:42] <alienkid> shutdown
[22:42] <alienkid> bye
[22:42] <arualavi> namzezam, the system don't know your password, so it's not possible that it try to login for you
[22:42] <zoredache> A much simpler solution might simply be have all the tools that change keyboard layout have some form of reminder for the user so they understand what they are doing
[22:43] <Mood> Anyone know how to get xubuntu to auto connect after a connection disruption? sometimes when i get back to my computer, I see a connect dialog just sitting there  waiting for me to press
[22:43] <zoredache> connect to what?
[22:43] <namzezam> arualavi:  yes, u are right it is hashed, but well, must be a way, beouse the other way is much more not secured
[22:44] <Mood> zoredache: connect to my network
[22:44] <Mood> zoredache: oh sorry, it's wifi
[22:44] <namzezam> here what i am doing now is much more inscure, and u can alywas make some trcing of memeory and alogratimes
[22:44] <arualavi> namzezam, if you find a way, please file a critical security bug :-P
[22:45] <namzezam> ok i am now trying to go from ubuntu inside windows, let's see where this lead me
[22:45] <namzezam> arualavi:  i will think :)
[22:45] <namzezam> ok hope to c u, and again thanks :)
[23:26] <namzezam> ok i ma in ubuntu inside windows having accssess to my broken ubuntu
[23:27] <namzezam> charlie-tca: are u here?
[23:28] <alienkid> chaelie it rebooted and now we're at a screen with an "X" cursor and blue green and white lines running across the screen, and the keyboard and mouse both aren't taking commands.
[23:29] <alienkid> *Charlie.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> alienkid: then it needs to boot to recovery and use xfix on it
[23:30] <namzezam> i have the etc/X11/xorg.conf in my gedit, what should i do now?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> namzezam: I don't know how to help you.
[23:30] <alienkid> ok can't force a clean reboot going to hard
[23:31] <alienkid> rebooting... Please wait...
[23:31] <alienkid> shut down instantly turn on, as usual.
[23:31] <alienkid> (This is his brother typing if you're wondering why there's spelling and grammar.)
[23:31] <namzezam> how to force loacle form xorg.conf?
[23:33] <knome> namzezam, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=990999&highlight=gdm+login+input+language
[23:33] <namzezam> thanks
[23:34] <alienkid> Got a menu. About to run Xfix.
[23:35] <alienkid> It gave us a warning and gave us back to recovery menu. He didn't go to ok, just enter.
[23:35] <charlie-tca> what kind of warning? What did it say?
[23:35] <alienkid> Something about something possibly configured. Couldn't read it 'cause it was too fast.
[23:37] <charlie-tca> Maybe he bounced the enter key? try it again, please
[23:37] <alienkid> persistant warning: Overwriting possibly customized configuration.
[23:38] <alienkid> Didn't bounce.
[23:38] <alienkid> Was just fast.
[23:38] <charlie-tca> Yes, okay. There should be a continue button or it did what it needed to.
[23:38] <charlie-tca> Hit resume
[23:38] <alienkid> 'kay.
[23:39] <alienkid> If resume is highlighted, just press entered? And don't press left to get to ok enter?
[23:39] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:40] <alienkid> worked.
[23:40] <alienkid> Now at desktop.
[23:40] <alienkid> Avant started. Going to remove rest of Compiz. Thanks. Again.
[23:40] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:40] <alienkid> He says "Groan... Again."
[23:40] <charlie-tca> what's again?
[23:40] <alienkid> Helping us again.
[23:40] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[23:41] <alienkid> P.S. Know any good leopard xfwm4 themes?
[23:41] <charlie-tca> I am not much into graphics
[23:41] <alienkid> ?
[23:41] <alienkid> Oh.
[23:42] <charlie-tca> eyes can't handle it
[23:42] <alienkid> All traces of compiz removed.
[23:42] <alienkid> Know how to get an emerald them to be gtk?
[23:42] <alienkid> My brother just said "THat's impossible."
[23:42] <alienkid> Is it?
[23:43] <charlie-tca> I don't knwo
[23:43] <charlie-tca> know
[23:43] <alienkid> Ok. Bye.
[23:43] <charlie-tca> see you later
[23:50] <namzezam> found in /etc/default/loacle
[23:50] <namzezam> LANG="he_IL.UTF-8"
[23:50] <namzezam> LANGUAGE="he_IL:he:en_GB:en"
[23:50] <namzezam> shoud i it cahnge to
[23:50] <namzezam> LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[23:50] <namzezam> LANGUAGE="en_US:en"
[23:50] <namzezam> ???
[23:51] <zoredache> namzezam: if you don't have a backup of your files, make a backup now.  Then feel free to go ahead and try it.
[23:52] <zoredache> You may be at a point where a reinstall is easier then a repair.
[23:53] <namzezam> so , if i have backup , and i do this excat change,  do u think i would need use reinstall and backup?,
[23:53] <zoredache> I have no idea
[23:53] <namzezam> just give me a bit attention for this 2 lines
[23:54] <zoredache> I don't know anything about locales
[23:54] <zoredache> if your files are backed up, then go ahead and try it
[23:54] <namzezam> ok , i  will let u know
[23:54] <namzezam> ok
[23:54] <zoredache> it doesn't sound like you make things much worse
[23:54] <namzezam> :)
[23:54] <namzezam> :(
[23:55] <namzezam> ok i will let u know
[23:55] <namzezam> c u