[00:08] seele: plenty stuff doesn't work, I think just casual comments on what you'd like to see fixed is fine for now, I know a good number of things that need worked on before any more formal testing is needed [00:09] Riddell: ok [00:10] just interested if it works at all for now :) [00:14] nhandler: You only need the .install file for the ones with the transitional package. [00:15] I know [00:15] nhandler: OK usr/share/kde4/* should be fine, but I'd test build and check the .deb to make sure. [00:16] seele, ScottK: anything really important on your must-have list for Quassel, now would be the time to give it to us if it should go in before the freeze [00:16] scottk: I'm testing these all in my PPA before uploading. Hopefully, this batch will turn out ok. However, it might take a little longer than I originally thought. The PPAs take some time [00:17] as we plan to release 0.4.0 on Tuesday more or less [00:17] Sput: I think whatever seele wants is the most important. My main concern is getting the debug working. [00:17] yeah, that's why I pinged you both :) [00:18] I'd really like to see it use the unix username by default, having lots of people joining IRC all called quassel123 is going to get confusing [00:18] Riddell: already done [00:19] yay! [00:19] for all platforms even :) [00:20] realname too [00:22] hello everybody [00:22] :) [00:23] Riddell: obviously not a git version from a couple hours ago :D [00:23] Sput: afaik you've fixed all the stuff on my shortlist so i'm happy :) [00:23] Sput: why not? maybe it's just his old identity [00:24] seele: very good to hear, cool :) [00:24] seele: btw, thanks for the honorable mention on your blog :) [00:26] Hi everybody, kubuntu devs, I want to let you know that openSUSE openoffice 3.0.1 build has patches that make it use kde4 open/save dialog. OOO 3.0.1 in jaunty still uses kde3 dialogs. I just want you to know so you can apply their same patches [00:26] if you already know sorry :) [00:26] http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/02/10/openoffice_org-3_0_1_0openoffice_org-3_0_1_2/ [00:27] quassel183: that is interesting [00:27] :) [00:27] our OO guy did try those patches recently without luck, maybe they've been fixed [00:28] probably, since they've just been moved to a stable repository. [00:43] lintian overrides for quilt-build-dep-but-no-series-file can be removed now, correct? [00:44] nhandler: yes [00:45] And what about the cmake-find-plasma patches? [00:51] nhandler: I don't know [00:52] I'll go and look. I thought I saw a package or two that removed it, but I'm not positive [00:57] he's wrong, it's still KDE 3 [01:08] vorian: thanks for the review [01:08] lex79: na, thanks for all the plasmoids! [01:09] can you archive these? [01:09] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasmoid-fortunoid [01:09] did they get uploaded? [01:09] ah, sure [01:09] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasmoid-logout [01:09] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasmoid-nextwallpaper [01:09] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasmoid-simplemonitor [01:09] lex79: You're going to rename those, right? [01:09] yes [01:09] OK [01:10] ScottK: he already did, there are 7 plasmoids awaiting a second review [01:10] OK. [01:10] Got it now. [01:12] lex79: all archived, thanks again :) [01:12] you are welcome :) [01:13] nhandler: how's the widget transition going? [01:19] evening [01:20] hi jjesse_ [01:20] stupid disconnect w/ VPN connection === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [01:21] kpackagekit is broken? [01:23] Refresh doesn't work and find button is off when search a package [01:30] lex79: in jaunty are you having problems? [01:30] with kpackagekit? i reported a bug on the refresh package problem [01:30] jjesse: yes [01:31] bug 327765 [01:31] Launchpad bug 327765 in kpackagekit "Refresh package list stays at "unkown state"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327765 [01:31] * rgreening is migrating 80GB data from failed lappy to my new one... [01:33] jjesse: when click "Refresh" button, I have this message: Authentication failed [01:33] when I put a name package in "Search package name", find button is off [01:35] choqok 0.4 just uploaded [01:36] lex79 are you runninkg kdesudo before kpackagekit? [01:37] jjesse: no [01:42] will packagekit be the default in jaunty? [01:42] lex79 thats problly why you get the error message [01:42] shtylman yes [01:42] lex79: kpackagekit is not asking for the sudo password so you can't referesh the package listing [01:42] that's another bug i reported, can't find it right now [01:43] ok [01:44] hrm can't find that bug reporting it now ;) [01:45] found it bug 327760 [01:45] Launchpad bug 327760 in kpackagekit "Upon launching kpackagekit not accessed for sudo password" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327760 [01:45] linking to bug 319459 [01:45] Launchpad bug 319459 in kpackagekit "kpackagekit reports an autentication error before you type password in policykit-kde dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319459 [01:52] kpackagekit doesn't use sudo it uses policykit. [01:52] jjesse: ^\ [01:52] enter rgreening: kpackagekitman to the rescue. [01:53] kpackagekit will talk to policykit, and if the action requires admin rights, it will decide if/when to ask for auth. [01:53] jjesse: so, are you able to go to the updates and refresh? [01:56] jjesse: is this a recent problem? was it working already? [01:58] rgreening sorry wife called [01:58] rgreening: when i click on refresh packages i think it is called i get an error [01:58] not asked for my sudo password [01:59] this was last night with all updates [01:59] on jaunty [01:59] yes. I get that on a fresh install. Let me see what is missing. [02:00] jjesse: it could be a dep issue. I have it working correctly on my old system... [02:00] rgreening: is packagekit itself installed? [02:01] bug 327787 [02:01] Launchpad bug 327787 in kpackagekit "Kpackagekit should depend on packagekit to be useful" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327787 [02:01] rgreening: let me fire up my vm [02:01] so i can further test [02:03] best/quickest way to check if packagekit is isntaleld corrertly? [02:04] apt-cache policy packagekit [02:05] it shows installed [02:05] guess that's not it then [02:05] wait hold on [02:05] read it wrong [02:05] :) [02:05] installed (none) means not installed correct [02:05] read it wrong [02:05] correct [02:05] I was puzzled there for a second :P [02:05] i like to puzzle you [02:06] then yes, that's bug 327787 [02:06] Launchpad bug 327787 in kpackagekit "Kpackagekit should depend on packagekit to be useful" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327787 [02:06] lol [02:06] lex79 that's probablly your problem as well [02:08] apt-cache policy packagekit shows mine as not installed [02:08] who wrote those deps :) [02:09] and dont say dep-ends... [02:09] who revu'd those deps and let them slip ;-P [02:09] lol [02:09] maybe libpackagekit-qt11 should depend on packagekit? [02:10] nah, kpackagekit should dep on it itself [02:10] something should [02:10] jjesse: yes, this is my problem [02:10] yay at least now we know how to solve it [02:11] check with Tonio_ to see why... iirc, there was a dep at one point and it was changed... which is prob the point it broke [02:11] blame either rgreening or JontheEchidna [02:11] not me. I never made the packge. I submitted a patch for something, but never packaged. [02:11] :P [02:11] jjesse-jaunty: youre in DC? [02:14] seele: yes i am, i'm in tonight and fly back tomorrow [02:14] presenting at a tech conference [02:15] oh, which one? [02:15] its the federal tech workers conference sponsored by carahsoft [02:15] cool [02:15] * seele lives in rockville :P [02:16] no idea where that it is in relation ship to where i am currently staying [02:16] for you non-locals, that's about a 20 minute metro ride [02:16] what hotel are you at? marriot in cleveland park? [02:16] jw marriot [02:16] on pennsylavnia ave [02:17] i think [02:17] in the middle of town? everything is probably closed after 5 [02:17] I think Lancelot should be the default menu plasmoid [02:18] Looks so much better [02:18] i think the polic just blocked off pennsylavina avenue [02:18] wonder if the president is traveling? [02:18] maybe, or someone else [02:19] a big motorcade with lots of black suvs just went buy [02:19] * jjesse is gawking [02:19] everyone can tell i'm not a local :) [02:24] lol [02:24] i'll feel bad if it was a decoy and you really didn't get to see anyone important go by :) [02:24] jjesse: you are near the red square? :o [02:25] yes :) [02:25] be safe, comrade [02:26] lol [02:27] hey.. DC is very blue right now [02:27] hell, even VIRGINIA is a blue state now [02:28] blue is the new Яed [02:28] hehe [02:29] * vorian stops now™ [02:35] wow, it's _very_ windy here [02:36] vorian: We had a fair amount of wind today in the windy city [02:36] i keep hearing trees fall down :o [02:36] It's the Nothing! [02:37] * vorian calls falcore [03:02] seele just hearing about this thunderstorms coming through the area, any idea what county i'm in? [03:02] jjesse: washington dc? lol [03:02] there are no counties in dc [03:02] doh [03:02] sorry that was pretty stupid [03:02] hehe [03:03] you have montgomery county and prince george's county in maryland to the north [03:03] i'm soo used to trying to figure out what county i'm in when there are warnings and storms near by [03:03] fairfax county to the south [03:03] i forget what the southern most county that is virginia, but you have fairfax county to the west [03:03] and southish i suppose [03:03] then prince william's county right below fairfax [03:03] JontheEchidna you from the area/ [03:04] I only lived there 13 years of my life [03:04] there you go [03:05] i think i was 12 the last time i was in DC [03:05] this hotel is very very nice [03:11] sounds like it just started to rain [03:13] none of the digital tv stations are coming in now [03:14] Oddly enough it just started raining here. [03:14] * ScottK is about an hour drive north of you west of Baltimore. [03:20] Baltimore traffic is.... fun [03:21] JontheEchidna: I didn't realize you used to live around here. [04:00] hmm, it seems konversation-kde4 doesn't have a blinking tray icon yet [04:01] But yeah, we moved from Northern VA to New Hampshire about 5 years ago [04:02] Nice escape. [04:03] * ScottK always wanted Live Free or Die on his license plates. [04:08] New quassel snapshot seems to set real name correctly, but not use username for nick creation. [04:09] Sput: ^^^ [04:38] will adept be phased out completely, in favor of packagekit? [04:39] That's the plan. [04:40] gotcha [04:40] Adept upstream has ceased development of it. [04:40] project lost support? [04:42] Upstream was one guy and he got tired of it. [04:43] unrelated to previous: if I want to make changes to the ubiquity installer from the kubuntu todolist (spoke to riddell about this earlier) should I pull a branch from the launchpad code? or just install the source package and use that code? [04:56] I'd do both. [04:57] I generally work in a copy away from the vcs tree and then use diff and patch to update my local copy. [04:57] But that's me. [04:59] that makes sense, but what should I start with as a base? the currently packaged one? and bring in any changes I want later? I am thinking that using the currently packaged one is the best bet as it is the closest thing to "stable" I will get [05:02] The current packaged one is the 'official' source. [05:02] If there are changes in bzr that haven't been included, consider including them. [05:03] k, will do...time to experiment, thanks [05:20] Riddell: I just uploaded a new quassel snapshot thatsput asked me to have you check with Qt 4.5 as they made some changes that may help. [05:22] seele: Also just uploaded to my PPA so you can check it out (after it builds). [06:01] JontheEchidna: o/ [06:13] rgreening: I just uploaded a new quassel version that has some fixes that may help with Qt 4.5 compatibility. Sput asked me to ask y'all to test and report back. [06:13] ScottK: ok. [06:13] ScottK: do you have 64 bit arch? [06:14] Here, no. [06:14] i386 all the way baby. [06:14] Cause my new lappy is 64 bit [06:14] ScottK: and ia32libs is not installed by default and IMO it prob should be [06:15] Get another CD then. It's huge. [06:15] oh [06:15] It's a copy of an array of 32 bit libs. [06:15] maybe it could be a recommendation after first boot via update-notifier-kde [06:16] I think people who need it and don't know enough to install it should run 32 bit. [06:16] cause you get a mysterious error message that means nothing when running a 32 bit app [06:16] A less mysterious error message then. [06:16] I plan NWN and its a 32 bit binary [06:16] play even [06:17] it reported: 12: ./nwmain: not found [06:17] which leads the user in a useless direction [06:18] ScottK: any further word on kde 4.2 and qt4.5 [06:19] It sounds like they are going to work through the issues in KDE trunk and then has some kind of patch set for 4.2 with 4.5 [06:19] No promises yet. [06:19] ScottK: I love the URL preview in Quassel. I was totally suprised and impressed when it came up [06:20] Yeah. [06:20] Argh. Latest update broke my notifications. [06:20] heh. I have that issue on my old system, but not the newly installed one... [06:22] ScottK: I took the plunge and setup my system with EXT4 (but made a /boot with ext3 just in case) [06:22] Sure, I get a notification for that one right AFTER i file the bug. [06:23] lol [06:23] I have so much data to migrate... [06:24] ScottK: What do you think about making lancelot the default menu rather than the ickoff one. lancelot is sooooo much better [06:24] ickoff.. lol funy typo [06:24] cause it is icky [06:24] Dunno. I haven't used it. [06:25] try it. [06:25] I think it's late in the game to make a change like that as we need to get some consensus around the idea. [06:25] I'm using the classic kickoff menus here on my laptop. [06:25] Any idea why in "About Me" I get chfn permission denied? [06:28] Nope. [06:37] ScottK: hey, they added an option to choose the file manager in default applications... dolphin, konq and other (like krusader). cool [06:38] In Quassel? [06:38] no, in system settings under default applications [06:38] its new.. never rememebered seeing that before. [06:39] Ah. [06:39] Sorry, I was in the middle of filing a stack of Quassel bugs. [06:39] heh [06:41] I don't recall that. That's great. I'll be picking Konqueror. [06:46] I just changed the quassel font down to 8 point. Now I feel like I can see a reasonable about of stuff. [06:47] JontheEchidna: the marble bindings are in kdeedu, and you need to read the doc file in marble/docs/bindings/python/ . [07:11] Good night all. [07:11] nn [10:08] Tonio_: so no stickers for you? [10:09] Riddell: have you sent stickers already? or when do they come? [10:10] they don't come from me [10:11] Riddell: bah.... there not expensive, so if I want some, I can buy some :) [10:11] Riddell: that'll be a little support for kubuntu ;) [10:11] Riddell: I think you can only send one item per person right ? [10:12] Riddell: then, well I'll order one with one of the kubuntu shirts :) [10:12] Riddell: I have plenty of talks to give for kubuntu in france the next 5 month, I want one of the new shirts ;) they're nice :) [10:17] ScottK: you about? [10:47] davmor2: I am now. [10:52] Did you get the lpia install in place? [10:57] We got the image. It was rgreening who was going to try to install it. [10:58] I don't know if he's done anything with it yet or not. [11:24] shtylman: did you find out what you were asking? [11:32] hmm, kpackagekit doesn't actually depend on packagekit [11:32] Apparently not. [13:08] scottk: The renamed plasmoids have all been accepted and are out of NEW. Can I go ahead with filing the removal request? [13:09] I'd say so, or maybe Riddell just wants to take care of doing it. Be careful not to remove any of the transitional packages. [13:14] scottk: I'll make a note in the bug report about the transitional packages. [13:14] hi people [13:14] nhandler: The trick for those is ask for removal of source only, not the binary. [13:16] scottk: Just out of curiosity, what would currently happen if I were to install plasmoid-foo (where foo is a plasmoid that now has a transitional package). Would it install the transitional package and thus install plasma-widget-foo? Or would I get the old plasmoid-foo? [13:17] It would install the transitional package. [13:17] Yeah, I just thoght of that. Since it has a higher version [13:17] So the old source package no longer provides a binary, it's a source only removal. [13:20] What about for the plasmoids that weren't in Intrepid? The new plasma-widget-* package does not have a newer version of the plasmoid-* binary. Wouldn't that cause the old binary to still be used? [13:27] Yes. Those should be source and binary removal. [13:28] scottk: Do you still think I should file one big bug report? Or should I file two in order to make it more clear which are source only and which are source and binary [13:29] The standart process is one bug report per package. Dunno if Riddell wants to make a special case of this. [13:29] standart/standard [13:29] Perhaps wait a bit and give him a chance to speak up. [13:36] do we have any reports from people running ScottK's latest quassel package with Qt 4.5? [13:40] Here is a list of what type of removal is needed for each plasmoid-* package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117261/ [13:43] rgreening: where's the thing in kpackagekit to do a command line install? === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [13:57] * Riddell eyes up rgreening [13:58] Riddell: kpackagekit /var/cache/apt/archives/quassel_0.4.0~git090211-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [14:08] JontheEchidna: ok that works, do you know how to get it to install from an apt package name? [14:09] Riddell: What are your feelings about the removal of the plasmoid-* packages? Should I file a report or do you want to just take care of it? Also, can I do one or two big reports or do I need one report for each package? [14:09] nhandler: you can just give me a list if you like [14:09] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117261/ [14:10] Riddell: kpackagekit only accepts package where package = something.deb [14:10] rgreening: oh I thought you said it could take a package name too [14:12] !kde commit 925128 [14:12] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:12] sry, by package name I meant deb package name [14:12] hmm, how do I get that to work? [14:12] rgreening: so it's not a replacement for install-package yet [14:13] !commit 925128 [14:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about commit 925128 [14:13] ubottu: kde commit 925128 [14:13] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:13] !revision 925128 [14:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about revision 925128 [14:13] !kde revision 925128 [14:13] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=925128&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 925128 | Account for Steve Stalcup (stalcup) created. [14:13] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:13] ah hah! [14:13] * Riddell cheers for vorian [14:14] Well done vorian. :) [14:14] Congrats vorian [14:15] I wonder what plans he has for that account [14:16] hehe. awesome [14:17] rgreening: your software sources patch seem to duplicate the list of sources that kpackagekit already shows, should they be removed? [14:17] rgreening: also it doesn't do an apt-get update after changing as far as I can tell [14:23] nhandler: all done [14:24] do we have koffice 2 beta 6 packages somewhere? [14:24] in jaunty [14:24] dunno if Tonio_ did them for intrepid or not [14:24] Riddell: I didn't :) [14:25] Riddell: and I don't think that should be until we have a final/stable release... [14:25] we should backport them to the PPA where we've been keeping the other betas/alphas, the older alphas cause conflicts with KDE 4.2 [14:26] I could backport the beta6 packages and put then in kubuntu-experimental [14:26] ok, thats fine, so many things are jaunty only now, may as well install [14:26] no showstopper bugs in jaunty currently? ie, x works? :D [14:27] I think it should with the latest updates [14:27] ok. :) [14:27] there was a bug a few days ago that hung KDE and Gnome when desktop effects were in use [14:27] but that was fixed iirc [14:28] right then. Ill see you all on the other side :D [14:28] Riddell: Thanks a lot! === nhandler changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 19 - How are we doing? -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [14:31] JontheEchidna: go for it [14:34] oooh, no more qt3/kde3support in konvi-kde4 [14:35] or less anyways [14:36] Riddell: Still getting incomplete language support on today's iso (it's probably known but just pointing it out) :) [14:41] out of curiosity should the hardware drivers startup when nvidia etc is detected, as it does on ubuntu and xubuntu if so then it isn't [14:44] Should we request additional space for our kubuntu- PPAs? A few of them are over 1GB [14:45] Riddell: yeah, I never added the bit to refresh. I can. [14:45] nhandler: some of them have extra space, but do check if there's any nearing their limit [14:46] Riddell: and I wasn't sure if it was ok to hide/remove the origin bits in kpackagekit. I can write a patch for that. [14:47] rgreening: I think it's just confusing to have both, just hide the one from kpackagekit [14:47] Riddell: sure thing boss :) [14:48] I'll write up a patch shortly. [14:48] still recovering my failed lappy here Riddell, so not quite setup yet to build stuff [14:48] again.... [14:50] Riddell: k-n, k-e, and kubuntu-members-kde4 are over 1GB [14:51] nhandler: but what's their limits set at? [14:51] Riddell: I don't know how to check if the limit got increased. [14:54] nhandler: hmm, it doesn't say [14:54] oh well, I expect it'll tell us if there's a problem [14:54] start of a restricted packages installer http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/restricted-install.png http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/restricted-install1.png [14:54] seele: ^^ [14:55] this is jussi01 from jaunty :) [14:55] hi jussi01 from jaunty [14:55] Riddell: Based on Matthew's email, it sounds like *all* PPAs will have a 1GB limit unless additional space is requested. Once the limit is reached, packages will be rejected (I am hoping not silently) [14:55] I wonder if this speed is because Ive not installed the nvidia drivers yet - its lightning fast, like I would have expected [14:56] nhandler: some of them were given additional space === quassel250 is now known as jussio1 [15:03] Riddell: I wonder how hard it would be to instead integrate software-properties-kde into kpackagekit? the quick and easy is to hide the current bits in settings... [15:04] hrm, is this a bug or me just being stupid? when I try to set my dual head up with nvidia settings... [15:04] Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'CRT-1: 1680x1050 @1680x1050 +1920+0, DFP-0: 1920x1200 @1920x1200 +0+0' (Mode 3600x1200, id: 51) on X screen 0. [15:05] Riddell: And I don't think kpackagekit and software-properties rad from the same place for setting the update interval, which is problematic. I'll have to review the kpackagekit code to be sure [15:05] s/rad/read/ === bdefreese is now known as bddebian [15:07] rgreening: they can't really be integrated, they're separate programming languages apart from anything else [15:08] integrated was a bad choice... I meant the functionality implemented in kpackagekit [15:08] jussio1: your "virtual mode" is probably to small to fit 1680+1920 ... you need to set that when xserver starts, eg. in xorg.conf [15:09] Riddell: looks like kpackagekit has a KConfig it reads from. So I will need to patch that to look at the software properties settings [15:09] or similar [15:09] bbiab [15:09] a|wen: ahh, that makes sense, can you tell me where to put it? (and why cant nvidia-settings set it?) [15:10] rgreening: kpackagekit itself won't care about the settings, apt does that [15:10] jussio1: it is an xrandr/xserver thing, and it cannot be set run-time ... dunno why it doesn't change xorg.conf though [15:10] jussio1: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/117298/ [15:11] a|wen: weird, perhaps I should file a bug about it, seems most unintuitie [15:11] jussio1: that is my xorg.conf (you probably want the numbers larger ;) ) [15:11] a|wen: thanks, Ill pop that in, with my super numbers ;) [15:12] jussio1: have you tried using the kde4 display-thingy, i don't know if that handles it correctly? [15:12] a|wen: no, Ill give it a shot first [15:13] a|wen: heh, it only lists the active screen === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [15:13] jussio1: what if you enable it to the left? [15:14] a|wen: it only lists the 1 screen [15:15] should't choqok have the MOTUs in maintainer field and apachelogger in XSBC-Original-Maintainer? [15:15] yes [15:16] jussio1: then that is even worse, he [15:16] Riddell: mhh ok :). How can I change this? Report a Bug and attach a diff.gz from a corrected version? [15:16] a|wen: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20090212-171622-snapshot1.png [15:17] jussio1: does xrandr list the disabled outputs? [15:19] a|wen: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/117301/ [15:20] a|wen: brb [15:23] neversfelde: yes can do [15:23] ok, thanks [15:24] Where I should submit update to a package? REVU? [15:24] Quintasan: Launchpad. REVU is for new packages [15:25] ok, thanks [15:25] well revu can work too [15:25] so long as it doesn't get forgotten [15:26] Riddell: Very true. But I would prefer not to have package updates just sitting there waiting to be uploaded. This becomes confusing to MOTUs trying to review packages. [15:26] a|wen: curous, it decided to ask if it can remove the meta mode (nvidia settings) and I said yes, now it works... [15:27]