[02:23] <linxuz3r> hello
[02:24] <syockit> hullo
[02:25] <diginux> holla
[02:27] <skyjumper> just went from intrepid to jaunty, trying to figure out why networkmanager isn't bringing up (or managing) any interfaces
[02:28] <diginux> skyjumper: yeah, it didnt for me either
[02:28] <diginux> skyjumper: thought my ethernet works, its not listedi networkmanager like it used to
[02:28] <skyjumper> did you have to bring it up manually?
[02:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Have you tried creating a new user profile and seeing if NM then shows the interfaces?
[02:29] <skyjumper> it's a systemwide interface
[02:30] <diginux> skyjumper: nope, it worked on boot, i just have it /etc/network/interfaces
[03:37] <unixdawg> ./clear
[03:57] <Kuaera> Hello; I was wondering if anyone could give me any information pertaining to enabling GLX or desktop window transparency with the ati driver.
[04:00] <cwillu> Kuaera, afaik ati's proprietary driver isn't working with the new xorg (it might have just been released, in which case it may still be a day or two until it's packaged up
[04:01] <Kuaera> cwillu: I see...what of fglrx? As far as I've tested in the past, X won't even start with it
[04:01] <cwillu> Kuaera, that _is_ fglrx
[04:02] <Kuaera> cwillu: So what's the difference between the 'ati'/'radeon' driver and 'fglrx'?
[04:02] <cwillu> ati/radeon is the open source driver, although it doesn't have acceleration support for newer cards
[04:02] <cwillu> radeonhd is the open driver that will eventually support those cards, but I don't think it's usable for acceleration yet
[04:03] <Kuaera> Ah...this is a fairly archaic card in a laptop, and has had support in the past, so I think it may just be an Xorg compatibility problem
[04:09] <RAOF> Kuaera: Archaic ati cards should Just Work™
[04:10] <crdlb> I heard that
[04:10] <Kuaera> RAOF: 9600 Mobility qualify as "archaic" enough?
[04:10] <RAOF> If yours isn't, then a pastebin of your Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf is the minimum amount of info to ride the debug train.
[04:10] <RAOF> Kuaera: Definitely.
[04:11] <Kuaera> RAOF: Unfortunately, I haven't the time right now to fully debug, but I'll look into that a bit later - it may very well just be a configuration issue.
[04:12] <RAOF> Probably is; first port of call would be moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way; it's likely to be unnecessary.
[05:31] <Kuaera> RAOF_: Ping?
[05:32] <RAOF_> Pong?
[05:32] <syockit> pang!!
[05:32] <Kuaera> \o/ Alright. I renamed my xorg.conf to xorg.conf.backup and restarted X
[05:32] <Kuaera> No real changes, but I do have a pastebin'd Xorg.0.log for you
[05:33] <Kuaera> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m74f24e5a
[05:35] <Kuaera> What bothers me are lines 146-150, to an extent [glxgears segfaults, no OpenGL acceleration], and the fact that, even though the "Composite" extension is listed, I can't seem to get desktop window transparency [related to OpenGL support?]
[05:37] <Kuaera> Also, line 33 - the BIOS memory location is unknown
[05:37] <Kuaera> RAOF_: I don't mean to inundate you with all this, though >_<
[05:38]  * RAOF_ is just browsing the log
[05:38] <Kuaera> Do you need any more information?
[05:40] <RAOF_> Hm... there doesn't seem much to go on.
[05:41] <Kuaera> xdpyinfo?
[05:42] <RAOF_> So, window transparency requires a composite manager running; compiz is one, which will be denied to you by the lack of direct rendering I suspect.
[05:43] <RAOF_> Metacity is another; you just need to fiddle around in gconf-editor (/apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager)
[05:44] <Kuaera> I'm mostly concerned with KDE transparency, actually. The panels are not translucent, and translucent shadows or glows in styles are just rendered as black
[05:44] <RAOF_> I don't know why your virtual size is set to 2048x1200; do you have two monitors plugged in?
[05:44] <Kuaera> I do not.
[05:44] <Kuaera> There is an optional TV-out and secondary monitor out for this laptop, but I do not use them.
[05:45] <RAOF_> Oh, whoops.  I missed the obvious.
[05:45] <RAOF_> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so: undefined symbol: miInitVisualsProc
[05:45] <RAOF_> I suspect you've had fglrx installed at some point?
[05:45] <Kuaera> Lines 146-150, as I pointed out?
[05:45] <Kuaera> Yes.
[05:46] <RAOF_> Has it been uninstalled?
[05:46] <Kuaera> Recently, it's been installed and uninstalled [once I found it unworking]
[05:46] <Kuaera> Does it modify libglx.so?
[05:47] <RAOF_> Yes.
[05:47] <RAOF_> It replaces the 3d stack.
[05:47] <Kuaera> I see. So that's no good.
[05:47] <RAOF_> It's removed now?
[05:48] <Kuaera> I just checked now, and I had missed one of the related packages, so
[05:48] <Kuaera> I guess that's my problem.
[05:48] <RAOF_> Probably :)
[05:48] <Kuaera> Thank you for your help, RAOF_. I've asked the question before and brought attention to those specific lines, but I got canned responses :(
[05:49] <Kuaera> Let me restart X and see how everything operates, and thanks again. :)
[05:54] <Kuaera> All's well, it seems.
[05:54] <RAOF_> Score.
[05:58] <Kuaera> I still don't have translucency in plasma, but, meh. At least OpenGL works.
[05:58] <RAOF_> You'd need to hit the desktop-effects control panel to turn that on.
[05:59] <Kuaera> Actually, I need to be running KWin instead of Openbox... Sad day.
[06:01] <RAOF_> You could install xcompmgr.
[06:01] <RAOF_> That's a stand-alone composite manager.
[06:04] <Kuaera> Cool.
[06:07] <Kuaera> RAOF_: Thanks a ton... I'm glad I've been able to maintain this balance between desktop features and weight
[07:10] <mak_> HI any one out there For Ubuntu-9.04 Jaunty   support
[07:10] <mak_> channel
[07:10] <mak_> ?
[07:11] <mak_> Hi Anyone out here to help  my cause ?
[07:12] <mak_> Hi all
[07:12] <mak_> I had problem with my Newely Upgraded Ubuntu-9.04 Jaunty package release
[07:13] <mak_> some conflicts woth the /etc/route
[07:16] <mak_> Any one to solve my issue
[07:16] <mak_> ?
[07:22] <mak_> Hew,,, are you there
[07:22] <mak_> ?
[07:23] <Hew> mak_: Yes, what's up?
[07:23] <syockit> ask once and wait
[07:23] <syockit> Hew: < mak_> some conflicts woth the /etc/route
[07:23] <Hew> mak_: I hope you're not just pinging everyone that enters the channel.
,,,I had problem with running openvpn script ,,,and I Got warning message like
[07:24] <mak_> WARNING: potential route subnet conflict between local LAN [192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0] and remote VPN [192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0]
[07:24] <mak_> And i am loosing my Internet connection,,,
[07:24] <Hew> mak_: Is this even a Jaunty specific issue? Perhaps you would be better off asking in #ubuntu
[07:25] <mak_> i thought it's an jaunty specific issue,,,,
[07:25] <Hew> mak_: Ok then.
[07:25] <mak_> when will be the full Beta release of jaunty will take place
[07:25] <mak_> ?
,,,i Thought i could have remained in Ubuntu-8.10,,,, it's the Best
[07:27] <Hew> mak_: If you want stability you should use Intrepid. Jaunty is for testing. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[07:28] <Hew> mak_: There is no need to address me specifically, just ask questions to the channel.
[07:28] <mak_> okay okay
[10:19] <BUGabundo> good morning everyone
[10:19] <BUGabundo> what's new?
[10:20] <BUGabundo> other then the 180MiBs of updates
[10:44] <Oli``> Hmm all my SSH keys require me to type in my key's passphrase today =\ odd
[10:45] <maco> Oli``: is seahose-agent or gpg-agent running?
[10:46] <maco> i have to enter mine with gpg-agent but not seahorse-agent
[10:46] <Oli``> seahorse-agent is running
[10:46] <maco> oh
[11:00] <arve__> surely, you jest, jaunty
[11:00] <arve__> I'm wondering: is there a bug about Jaunty now trying to insist on using the terminally broken MTP for connecting audio devices?
[11:01] <arve__> my device has no override on it, and I really don't want to have to resort to managing it from some audio app
[11:08] <virtuelv> rsync is a much better, and more flexible tool than some proprietary MS stuff
[11:09] <virtuelv> and if I try to remove mtp-tools, rhythmbox goes
[11:36] <virtuelv> Filed as: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/328465
[12:32] <ndazza> hi, i seem to remember there was some kind of installation report users could fill in for pre-release versions but i can't seem to find it... does anyone know where it is?
[12:36] <dns> hey
[12:38] <IntuitiveNipple> ndazza: System > Administration > System Testing ?
[12:38] <ndazza> IntuitiveNipple: on kubuntu?
[12:38] <ndazza> :)
[12:39] <IntuitiveNipple> ha... you want #kubuntu+1 <grin>
[12:39] <ndazza> oh, i thought that's what i joined :p
[12:39] <ndazza> sorry
[12:39] <IntuitiveNipple> There was/is a wiki page for Hardware testing I seem to recall
[12:40] <ndazza> ah thanks, i'll search the wiki too
[12:42] <ndazza> heheh #kubuntu+1 redirects here
[12:48] <dns> does anyone know how to eject a disk from a slot loading drive?
[12:49] <dns> oh eject
[13:09] <skyjumper> amarok broken in jaunty for anyone else?
[13:10] <skyjumper> it streamed shoutcast for about 30 seconds, segfaulted, and won't open at all
[13:11] <ndazza> i'm on a live CD... i'll install and test
[13:26] <bardyr> Hey, has anybody been able to compile ndiswrapper against kernel 2.6.29-rc4?
[13:28] <ikonia> bardyr: is that the current kernel in jaunty
[13:28] <Pici> No.
[13:29] <skyjumper> bardyr: are you trying to use flash on amd64?
[13:29] <skyjumper> there's a beta 64bit plugin available now
[13:32] <virtuelv> re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/328465
[13:33] <virtuelv> is there a proper workaround?
[14:35] <miik> my screenshot stop working
[14:35] <unixdawg> having issues with updates
[14:35] <miik> when i press screenshot nothing happen
[14:35] <miik> why?
[14:35] <unixdawg> and aptitude install -f is nto fixing it
[14:36] <unixdawg> it says there are 13 new pkgs
[14:36] <unixdawg> btu they wont install
[14:37] <BUGabundo> unixdawg: maybe they haven't been built yet
[14:37] <unixdawg> adept keeps crashing now
[14:37] <BUGabundo> never force unless you know what you are doing
[14:37] <BUGabundo> miik: suffering from the same
[14:37] <BUGabundo> the key seems to use sysrek instead
[14:41] <unixdawg> well adept is now borked
[14:41] <unixdawg> this pisses me off
[14:42] <miik> anyone report screenshot bug?
[14:44] <unixdawg> I got up it said there where 99 updates
[14:44] <unixdawg> they all installed then I rebooted it said there where 13 more new updates but they wont install
[14:45] <unixdawg> and adept has stopped working it locks up at reading package list 99%
[14:45] <unixdawg> and stops responding
[14:46] <miik> :(
[14:46] <miik> try apt-get
[14:47] <unixdawg> I have it says 5 updates are being held back
[14:47] <unixdawg> but does not say why
[14:47] <miik> i think 24 hours, they wont be hold
[14:48] <unixdawg> The following packages have been kept back:
[14:48] <unixdawg>   audacity gnome-keyring plasmoid-quickaccess python-gnome2-desktop system-config-printer-kde
[14:48] <unixdawg> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded
[14:48] <miik> maybe some depence that it needs are not updated
[14:48] <miik> f-spot is kept back for me
[14:48] <miik> usually solves withi n24 hours
[14:49] <unixdawg> the only other issue is random lockups
[14:50] <unixdawg> in X
[14:50] <unixdawg> but this is beta so I guess its to be expecter
[14:50] <miik> its not even beta yet, its alpha
[14:50] <miik> i have no random lockups
[14:51] <unixdawg> it might be a kde issue
[14:51] <unixdawg> but 3 times yesterday and twice this am
[14:51] <unixdawg> just locks up
[14:51] <BUGabundo> miik: I think I have. look on LP
[14:51] <miik> used kde 3 days ago, no lockups
[14:51] <unixdawg> I have tested the mem and hardware they all come back clean
[14:52] <miik> BUGabundo, where?
[14:52] <miik> bug id?
[14:54] <unixdawg> wel now off to install a server
[14:54] <unixdawg> check back ltr
[14:58] <BUGabundo> miik: look for it! I don't know either
[14:59] <BUGabundo> I have 300+ bugs opened
[14:59] <miik> ho
[14:59] <miik> many
[14:59] <miik> oh
[14:59] <BUGabundo> don't you ?
[15:00] <miik> no
[15:00] <BUGabundo> from once in a while I "try" to check a few of them to see if they have been fixed
[15:00] <BUGabundo> but it takes A LOT of time
[15:00] <miik> oh
[15:00] <BUGabundo> and usually I just get with even more bugs
[15:00] <miik> well you can search and sort them
[15:00] <miik> like ORDER BY status FIXED
[15:00] <gnomefreak> email wioll tell you ;)
[15:00] <miik> maybe with advanced search
[15:01] <gnomefreak> s/wioll/will
[15:01] <BUGabundo> those don't coung
[15:01] <BUGabundo> *count
[15:03] <gnomefreak> damn ill be back :(
[15:29] <skyjumper> why might "Style" might be missing in KDE's system settings?
[15:30] <skyjumper> using jaunty with minimal kde
[15:34] <ikonia> skyjumper: not as part of the minimal install ?
[15:35] <skyjumper> not on my system
[15:36] <BUGabundo> miik: ping
[15:36] <BUGabundo> miik: do you have some free time?
[15:37] <BUGabundo> could I ask you a favor?
[15:39] <unixdawg> where is koffice2
[15:39] <unixdawg> I need/want it
[15:44] <BUGabundo> unixdawg: was it ported to kde4 ?
[15:44] <unixdawg> not sure
[15:44] <unixdawg> looking
[17:18] <mahfiaz> hello, I have a T61 which touchpad isn't working on clean jaunty install, it produces events to /dev/input/mouse2, but no movement on screen
[19:23] <ali1234> my sound is completely screwed with the last updates :(
[19:24] <mahfiaz1> killall pulseaudio
[19:26] <ali1234> mahfiaz1: doesn't help
[19:27] <ali1234> with pulse or alsa i just hear a horrible clicking sound when trying to play any sound
[19:27] <Tecumseh> hi there, I have a problem to keep my resolution settings. I can set the correct resolution in the nvidia x server settings dialog (through kdesudo nvidia-settings) but when I try to save this configuration to the xorg.conf it fails.
[19:28] <mahfiaz> Tecumseh, run it using "sudo nvidia-config"
[19:28] <mahfiaz> ali1234, search, if there is alsa bug present about your card
[19:29] <ali1234> running gui apps with sudo is a bad idea, it screws up your X permissions
[19:29] <Tecumseh> nvidia-config is not installed here
[19:30] <ali1234> Tecumseh: try saving the xorg.conf to an alternate file in home directory and copying it manually after backing up the orignal
[19:30] <ali1234> but it probably wont work - nvidia-settings seems to generate none working configs
[19:30] <mahfiaz> ali1234, I don't think there is a better way
[19:30] <mahfiaz> it was nvidia-settings
[19:31] <ali1234> mahfiaz: better way? use gksudo or kdesudo
[19:31] <ali1234> !gksudo
[19:31] <mahfiaz> ali1234, thanks, I wasn't aware of that
[19:32] <Tecumseh> ali1234: luckily I was
[19:32] <custombrush> i have 1920x1200 and a nvidia 7600 card
[19:32] <Tecumseh> I have been trying to get my display settings correct since I installed jaunty yesterday. Took me 4 hours yesterday without progress
[19:33] <Tecumseh> same problems as I had with intrepid and hardy, seems there still is no good way to configure the display correctly :(
[19:34] <ali1234> Tecumseh: it used to work but the new xorg way is to run without much of a conf at all, and autodetect everything
[19:34] <ali1234> unfortunately it seems nvidia-settings did not keep up
[19:34] <ali1234> of course it depends what you are trying to do
[19:34] <ali1234> the gnome built-in display settings is getting quite good now too
[19:35] <ali1234> never tried kde
[19:35] <Tecumseh> also kde is  not keeping up with it either. The nvidia-settings dialog detects a much larger resolution range that it supports then the system-settings do
[19:35] <ali1234> ah yes
[19:36] <ali1234> well what i found was a good approach was to generate a config using nvidia-settings and then use that and the default one to write my own from scratch, with whatever custom modelines i needed
[19:36] <Tecumseh> tried that already, but on boot it gets replaced by a blank file
[19:36] <ali1234> that's odd... shouldn't happen should it?
[19:37] <Tecumseh> only thing that remained was the zapmode with the hotkey to restart X with ctrl alt backspace
[19:37] <ali1234> hmm... updates perhaps?
[19:37] <ali1234> that's annoying if they are gonna nuke xorg.conf every time
[19:37] <Tecumseh> yep, very much
[19:38] <ali1234> i'm generating PAL RGB signal on the VGA port right into my TV's SCART socket
[19:38] <ali1234> i get a STB quality picture instead of blurry composite - but it NEEDS a custom config
[20:16] <Turl> hi
[20:16] <Turl> where's the volume applet in jaunty?
[20:16] <maco> Turl: notification area
[20:16] <maco> it starts when pulseaudio start
[20:16] <Turl> I want to control the volume from the notification area, but no applet :/
[20:17] <Turl> there's no gnome-volume-control-applet either (it should be there as I have gnome-applets installed)
[20:18] <fosco_> mine it's there
[20:18] <Turl> odd
[20:19] <Turl> any way to 'rebuild' the config on the sessions panel? I want to reset it, because I think I messed it up
[20:21] <zniavre> Turl:  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[20:22] <Turl> won't that reset my gnome panel?
[20:22] <zniavre> mmm yes sorry if i misunderstound
[20:22] <Turl> zniavre: I want to reset the config you see on system->preferences->sessions
[20:23] <zniavre> this i do not knw sorry
[20:28] <Turl> mv ~/.config/autostart backup
[20:28] <Turl> that was it :p
[20:29] <Turl> well, cya all!
[20:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/201202
[20:34] <ali1234> ah i see what happened. the sound was muted, so i was only hearing the crackling, instead of the crackling and the audio
[20:38] <nikolam> hi. how do i know what jaunty version i am using? (to report bugs) lsb_release seems not to work by default on xubuntu
[20:39] <mahfiaz> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade to make sure you run the latest
[20:39] <nikolam> Also will ext4 be supported by default in jaunty final? :)
[20:40] <nikolam> mahfiaz, jes, but i want to report bug. Do I do that under just jaunty or some of alpha versions?
[20:40] <nikolam> I would like to know command that , like displays current version
[20:41] <ali1234> the important thing is the version of the package you a reporting a bug on
[20:41] <nikolam> oh, ok.
[20:41] <nikolam> I have another question, wider one..
[20:42] <nikolam> how you manage co use ubuntu for everyday tasks with stable release
[20:42] <nikolam> and to test it at the same time newer, development version?
[20:43] <mahfiaz> I do all tasks on devel version
[20:43] <ali1234> i have several computers
[20:43] <nikolam> I mostly use Hardy as desktop but I installed jaunty and updated, just for testing. I do that just few weeks/months before release etc
[20:43] <mahfiaz> I just have to make sure I don't upgrade when some critical work is to be done
[20:43] <nikolam> mahfiaz, but testing version sometomes breaks etc
[20:44] <nikolam> mahfiaz, scary a bit for me
[20:44] <nikolam> ali1234, ah yes, i do dual boot on another partition
[20:45] <nikolam> mahfiaz, do you think, newer packages could be fine tested if ported to stable version?
[20:45] <nikolam> I was making packages for my stable version for some time now.
[20:45] <mahfiaz> yes they could
[20:46] <nikolam> mahfiaz, but will that ,like, bug report, be valid to testing package version since it is running on stable release?
[20:46] <mahfiaz> it is not very common when some package needs upgraded libraries, and usually you cannot compile it then without upgraded libs
[20:47] <mahfiaz> I cannot say it is for *ALL* reports, but for most of them yes
[20:47] <nikolam> providing libraries are updated, but if program works with older libraries, older libraries are used
[20:47] <nikolam> Yes, i most of the time needed to update libraries
[20:48] <mahfiaz> it depens on what program you are debugging :)
[20:48] <nikolam> Problem is that I am just still thinking in Win*Doze way
[20:48] <nikolam> I just Love LTS. :)
[20:49] <mahfiaz> that's why pre-LTS versions need thorough testing and many bleeding-edge users :)
[20:49] <nikolam> I have been doing everythink I can to stay on that and jus add newer packages etc
[20:50] <mahfiaz> if you need stability, but newer programs then this is the way to go
[20:50] <nikolam> mahfiaz, soo, stable releases could be thinked of, like, "testing" releases for next LTS, right? :)
[20:50] <nikolam> like 6.10, 7.04, 7.10 were for 8.04LTS
[20:51] <mahfiaz> sure
[20:51] <mahfiaz> :)
[20:52] <nikolam> mahfiaz, would you think it would be good think to port most of new packages to -backports of LTS, or that will not be good for development then?
[20:53] <nikolam> I would mostly be VERY happy that way as LTS user on my notebook and on installs where I need newer packages but several year worth of install
[20:54] <nikolam> So I am thinking will you advise porting many and newest packages to -backports
[20:54] <andrea> salve a tutti
[20:54] <nikolam> It would speed up testing, wouldn`t it?
[20:55] <nikolam> hi Guest18209 :)
[20:55] <mahfiaz> I think it is matter of somebody willing to do this, I personally don't care about LTS versions, as all versions have to be stable enough, but I am not the right person to answer
[20:55] <Guest18209> excuse me, there is someone who speak italian?
[20:55] <mahfiaz> and most of developers whom I know are on unstable anyway
[20:56] <Guest18209> ok I try in english
[20:56] <Guest18209> i've got an alice voip gate 2 plus wi fi
[20:56] <Guest18209> and ubuntu 8.04
[20:56] <nikolam> i see. I am just thinking.. will porting packages to -backports will benefit development of newer packages etc
[20:57] <nikolam> Guest18209, this is development channel. Use #ubuntu for user support for stable versions :)
[20:58] <ali1234> !it
[20:58] <Guest18209> I'v tried to connect the modem with ethernet, but i don't understand the settings
[20:58] <Guest18209> someone can help me?
[20:58] <mahfiaz> nikolam, I think this may be case only for some special applications like inkscape or gimp
[20:59] <nikolam> Guest18209, consult your Loco Italian community #ubuntu-it , #ubuntu
[20:59] <hggdh> Guest18209, this channel is for Ubuntu 9.04, not Ubuntu 8.04. Please try #ubuntu
[20:59] <nikolam> mahfiaz, yes, right, mostly those applications that LTS or stable users would like and will need to upgrade to
[21:00] <nikolam> The same way like, getdeb.net is working to say so. Just those packages that people are interested in.
[21:01] <nikolam> mahfiaz, Where Should I post about this idea to get developer`s opinions about this?
[21:02] <nikolam> I think that way we could have 1) Very Happy stable/lts release folks 2) wide testing of newer packages
[21:03] <nikolam> If someones package from backports does not work right, he can always use stable one.
[21:04] <nikolam> That way ordinary stable release users could be benefited from IF they are willing to use unsupported -backports
[21:05] <ali1234> nikolam: you can use PPAs to release your backports if you want: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[21:08] <DanaG> New fix in gnome-session:
[21:08] <DanaG>     - Fix possible crash when pressing Fn-F7
[21:08] <DanaG> Fn-F7?  Fn-F7 on what?
[21:09] <DanaG> "Fn-F7" is not very specific.
[21:09] <ali1234> Fn-F7 = disable touchpad here
[21:09] <DanaG> It's nothing at all for my laptop.
[21:09] <DanaG> Exactly why they need to say "on touchpad-disable" or "on video-switch" or whatever the heck it is.
[21:09] <DanaG> Fn-f7 can mean completely different things on different laptops.
[21:10] <ali1234> looks like LCD brightness change
[21:15] <ali1234> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568713
[21:15] <ali1234> gnome actually has a function called "handle_fn_f7"
[21:15] <nikolam> ali1234, just to make shure, after that, those packages in ppa will not bu available automatically inside stable_release-backports, or they will?
[21:16] <ali1234> nikolam: they won't afaik
[21:17] <maco> interesting
[21:17] <maco> fn+f7 for me is "Turn off the backlight"
[21:17] <maco> my brightness are f5 and f6
[21:18] <ali1234> yep always different... god knows why they named a function that way. presumably it has the potential to crash regardless of what the actual function of the key is
[21:20] <nikolam> ali1234, but after making them and putting in ppa, someone could be contacted to put some of them in -backports?
[21:20] <ali1234> no idea
[21:26] <fujimitsu> just got updates; compiz is working
[21:29] <fujimitsu> i like fade effect on destop background change
[21:30] <fujimitsu> but that was happening even before visual effects were enabled anyway
[21:33] <fujimitsu> the only thing i have seen crashing was npviewer in the last 3 days
[21:34] <fujimitsu> once or twice
[21:34] <fujimitsu> this is coming out to be very stable
[21:34] <fujimitsu> hmm
[21:39] <fujimitsu> there is a minor sound issue on startup; some crackling noice while on the splash screen and during the welcome sound.. other wise no problems
[21:40] <fujimitsu> all this on a mt3422 laptop
[21:40] <fujimitsu> 64bit system version
[21:42] <fujimitsu> then again, i only use this particular puter for websurfing and other minor stuff
[22:17] <alessio> sarebbe ubuntu+1???
[22:41] <hggdh> huh?
[22:43] <thompa> firefox is not keeping bookmarks
[22:44] <ian1> anyone know a fix for terrible opengl performance (60 FPS in glxgears) in jaunty with "Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)" ... glxinfo: "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE2" (using DRI: yes)
[22:45] <thompa> Bookmarks Toolbar anyway. strange that some stayed from before
[22:45] <ian1> tried some xorg.conf changes: Option "AccelMethod" "xaa" (didn't startup), and now:  Option "AccelMethod" "exa", Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" (starts but still slow)
[22:45] <thompa> turning off compiz
[22:47] <thompa> ian1: turn off compiz
[22:47] <thompa> that solved for me a couple problems, but I just got another update
[22:47] <RAOF> ian1: Is that _generally_ bad opengl performance, or just poor glxgears numbers?
[22:48] <ian1> thompa: compiz is off
[22:48] <thompa> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7300 GS] (rev a1)
[22:48] <thompa>  fast enough gears here
[22:49] <thompa> enable it then and then back off
[22:49] <BUGabundo> is compiz fusion working for you guys?
[22:49] <BUGabundo> mine has trouble changing from metacity to compiz
[22:49] <RAOF> ian1: IE: do you have bad performance in an actual OpenGL app?  Because glxgears isn't a reliable indication of opengl performance.
[22:49] <thompa> working on intel here great in a vaio with 3G
[22:50] <thompa> yesterday it was not, the nvidia card i got works great now though
[22:50] <ian1> RAOF: seems like generally bad performance.  glxgears used to give much higher performance in 8.04 (I don't remember exactly, but at least in the hundreds)
[22:50] <RAOF> ian1: Intel is in a bit of flux; you might have better luck with AccelMethod "uxa".
[22:51] <thompa> ian1: try eliminating some things i guess. what command did you run
[22:51] <thompa> try something else
[22:51] <ian1> thompa: somethings?
[22:51] <thompa> ian1: when was your last update. I would just wait
[22:52] <thompa> ian1: something to check frame rate if thats what you want
[22:53] <ian1> thompa: I just updated 8.04 -> 8.10 then to jaunty hoping to fix these video problems
[22:53] <thompa> ian1: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/releases/repo/pts.debian/files/phoronix-test-suite_1.6.0_all.deb
[22:54] <thompa> ian1: what intel processor is it?
[22:54] <RAOF> Ba baw.  Upgrading to Jaunty isn't a good way to fix anything :)
[22:54] <thompa> 810?
[22:55] <RAOF> It's a 965.
[22:55] <ian1> I thought that maybe the new kernel with GEM would help
[22:56] <RAOF> No.  What that'll do is make performance (at least for some people) horrible.
[22:56] <RAOF> Turning on UXA might un-horrible the performance, though.
[22:56] <ian1> I'll try it
[22:56] <thompa> ian1: whats the brand laptop?
[22:56] <ian1> just Option "AccelMethod" "uxa" in the device section?
[22:57] <ian1> lenovo T61
[22:57] <RAOF> ian1: Yup.  As mentioned above ;)
[22:57] <RAOF> ian1: Note that UXA might break suspend/resume, or cause rendering artefacts, or just not work.
[22:57] <thompa> ian1: how does compiz work?
[23:01] <ian1> compiz runs at 60 fps according to Compiz Benchmark
[23:02] <RAOF> That's likely to be vsync.
[23:02] <ian1> could that be limiting glxgears also (outside of compiz) ?
[23:03] <RAOF> Yes.
[23:03] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting <= might be useful for you.
[23:03] <ian1> oh I'm not in uxa yet btw
[23:03] <RAOF> Yeah, I know.  You haven't disconnected yet :)
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ian1: my NVidia 8400 runs at 350 FPS on single monitor
[23:06] <RAOF> And is vastly more powerful.  And won't be syncing to the monitor's vblank, either.
[23:09] <ian1> RAOF: hm accidently hit Fn-F12 instead of Ctrl-F12 (to disable compiz FPS monitor) and it seems that hibernate now works... ;)
[23:09] <BUGabundo> yeah, finally the X bug has been fixed
[23:09] <RAOF> ian1: But not with UXA (possibly) :)
[23:09] <BUGabundo> and now Resume WORKS
[23:09] <ian1> hah
[23:10] <nikolam> hi. does anyone know how many previous kernels are left in /boot after kernel upgrades?
[23:10] <RAOF> With the binary nvidia driver, resume has worked for me for a long time.
[23:10] <ian1> RAOF: is UXA newer than XAA and EXA?
[23:11] <RAOF> Yes.
[23:11] <nikolam> since after every update older kernels are left behind in /boot
[23:11] <BUGabundo> nikolam: ALL
[23:11] <RAOF> It's the new gpu-memory-manager based acceleration arch for Intel.
[23:11] <BUGabundo> RAOF: it was broken until last Monday
[23:11] <BUGabundo> bug on xorg-xserver-nv
[23:12] <RAOF> What
[23:12] <RAOF> ?
[23:12] <nikolam> BUGabundo, why is that. My /boot is like 100 or 200Megs. It used to get full and i need to remove them manually to free disk space for /boot. That can brake updates.. hmm
[23:12] <RAOF> nv resumes from suspend?
[23:12] <ian1> RAOF: ok restarting with uxa brb
[23:13] <BUGabundo> nikolam: there is an option some where (apt ??) that lets you choose how many to keep
[23:14] <nikolam> BUGabundo, maybe we should make it choose default number of previous kernels, not tu fill all /boot space to people
[23:14] <nikolam> Think it would be wise etc?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> nikolam: file a (wish)bug on LP
[23:15] <BUGabundo> and let us know it, so we can subs to it
[23:15] <nikolam> I Have one lts install where i fixed it by installing linux-image that depends always on newest kernel
[23:15] <nikolam> Thanks BUGabundo
[23:15] <BUGabundo> np
[23:16] <BUGabundo> nikolam: by the way UM won't upgrade if it detects low disk
[23:16] <BUGabundo> if it fails to check the /boot partition space it's a bug
[23:16] <BUGabundo> file that too
[23:16] <nikolam> BUGabundo, maybe now it won`t in some previous stable releases it update and then fails etc.
[23:16] <ian1> RAOF: UXA gives 550+ FPS in glxgears
[23:17] <RAOF> And is generally snappier?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:17] <BUGabundo> its new to UM
[23:17] <nikolam> maybe i should just wait for /boot to get full and report what happens then
[23:17]  * RAOF notes that glxgears _remains_ not a benchmark :)
[23:18]  * BUGabundo RAOF coments are making me wanna test my system again
[23:18] <BUGabundo> $ glxgears
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 1714 frames in 5.0 seconds = 342.768 FPS
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 709 frames in 5.0 seconds = 141.693 FPS
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 711 frames in 5.0 seconds = 142.141 FPS
[23:18] <BUGabundo> on FULL SCREEN
[23:20] <ian1> RAOF: feels snappier.  and in compiz switching desktops is now smooth
[23:21] <ian1> I'll try a suspend/resume
[23:22]  * ian2 hugs RAOF and ubuntu and UXA and probably carl worth
[23:26] <maco> on full screen i get 116fps
[23:27] <maco> normal size glxgears is 420
[23:27] <maco> BUGabundo: what is "UM"?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[23:27] <BUGabundo> you should know girl
[23:27] <BUGabundo> Update Manager
[23:27] <maco> oh
[23:28] <BUGabundo> yeah we have WAY too many abreviations
[23:28] <maco> BUGabundo: i thought you were saying UXA was new to UM...couldnt figure out what video card driver that was
[23:28] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:28] <BUGabundo> nop
[23:28] <BUGabundo> other thread
[23:34] <ian2> RAOF: thanks