| linxuz3r | hello | 02:23 |
|---|---|---|
| syockit | hullo | 02:24 |
| diginux | holla | 02:25 |
| skyjumper | just went from intrepid to jaunty, trying to figure out why networkmanager isn't bringing up (or managing) any interfaces | 02:27 |
| diginux | skyjumper: yeah, it didnt for me either | 02:28 |
| diginux | skyjumper: thought my ethernet works, its not listedi networkmanager like it used to | 02:28 |
| skyjumper | did you have to bring it up manually? | 02:28 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Have you tried creating a new user profile and seeing if NM then shows the interfaces? | 02:28 |
| skyjumper | it's a systemwide interface | 02:29 |
| diginux | skyjumper: nope, it worked on boot, i just have it /etc/network/interfaces | 02:30 |
| unixdawg | ./clear | 03:37 |
| Kuaera | Hello; I was wondering if anyone could give me any information pertaining to enabling GLX or desktop window transparency with the ati driver. | 03:57 |
| cwillu | Kuaera, afaik ati's proprietary driver isn't working with the new xorg (it might have just been released, in which case it may still be a day or two until it's packaged up | 04:00 |
| Kuaera | cwillu: I see...what of fglrx? As far as I've tested in the past, X won't even start with it | 04:01 |
| cwillu | Kuaera, that _is_ fglrx | 04:01 |
| Kuaera | cwillu: So what's the difference between the 'ati'/'radeon' driver and 'fglrx'? | 04:02 |
| cwillu | ati/radeon is the open source driver, although it doesn't have acceleration support for newer cards | 04:02 |
| cwillu | radeonhd is the open driver that will eventually support those cards, but I don't think it's usable for acceleration yet | 04:02 |
| Kuaera | Ah...this is a fairly archaic card in a laptop, and has had support in the past, so I think it may just be an Xorg compatibility problem | 04:03 |
| RAOF | Kuaera: Archaic ati cards should Just Work™ | 04:09 |
| crdlb | I heard that | 04:10 |
| Kuaera | RAOF: 9600 Mobility qualify as "archaic" enough? | 04:10 |
| RAOF | If yours isn't, then a pastebin of your Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf is the minimum amount of info to ride the debug train. | 04:10 |
| RAOF | Kuaera: Definitely. | 04:10 |
| Kuaera | RAOF: Unfortunately, I haven't the time right now to fully debug, but I'll look into that a bit later - it may very well just be a configuration issue. | 04:11 |
| RAOF | Probably is; first port of call would be moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way; it's likely to be unnecessary. | 04:12 |
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| Kuaera | RAOF_: Ping? | 05:31 |
| RAOF_ | Pong? | 05:32 |
| syockit | pang!! | 05:32 |
| Kuaera | \o/ Alright. I renamed my xorg.conf to xorg.conf.backup and restarted X | 05:32 |
| Kuaera | No real changes, but I do have a pastebin'd Xorg.0.log for you | 05:32 |
| Kuaera | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m74f24e5a | 05:33 |
| Kuaera | What bothers me are lines 146-150, to an extent [glxgears segfaults, no OpenGL acceleration], and the fact that, even though the "Composite" extension is listed, I can't seem to get desktop window transparency [related to OpenGL support?] | 05:35 |
| Kuaera | Also, line 33 - the BIOS memory location is unknown | 05:37 |
| Kuaera | RAOF_: I don't mean to inundate you with all this, though >_< | 05:37 |
| * RAOF_ is just browsing the log | 05:38 | |
| Kuaera | Do you need any more information? | 05:38 |
| RAOF_ | Hm... there doesn't seem much to go on. | 05:40 |
| Kuaera | xdpyinfo? | 05:41 |
| RAOF_ | So, window transparency requires a composite manager running; compiz is one, which will be denied to you by the lack of direct rendering I suspect. | 05:42 |
| RAOF_ | Metacity is another; you just need to fiddle around in gconf-editor (/apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager) | 05:43 |
| Kuaera | I'm mostly concerned with KDE transparency, actually. The panels are not translucent, and translucent shadows or glows in styles are just rendered as black | 05:44 |
| RAOF_ | I don't know why your virtual size is set to 2048x1200; do you have two monitors plugged in? | 05:44 |
| Kuaera | I do not. | 05:44 |
| Kuaera | There is an optional TV-out and secondary monitor out for this laptop, but I do not use them. | 05:44 |
| RAOF_ | Oh, whoops. I missed the obvious. | 05:45 |
| RAOF_ | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so: undefined symbol: miInitVisualsProc | 05:45 |
| RAOF_ | I suspect you've had fglrx installed at some point? | 05:45 |
| Kuaera | Lines 146-150, as I pointed out? | 05:45 |
| Kuaera | Yes. | 05:45 |
| RAOF_ | Has it been uninstalled? | 05:46 |
| Kuaera | Recently, it's been installed and uninstalled [once I found it unworking] | 05:46 |
| Kuaera | Does it modify libglx.so? | 05:46 |
| RAOF_ | Yes. | 05:47 |
| RAOF_ | It replaces the 3d stack. | 05:47 |
| Kuaera | I see. So that's no good. | 05:47 |
| RAOF_ | It's removed now? | 05:47 |
| Kuaera | I just checked now, and I had missed one of the related packages, so | 05:48 |
| Kuaera | I guess that's my problem. | 05:48 |
| RAOF_ | Probably :) | 05:48 |
| Kuaera | Thank you for your help, RAOF_. I've asked the question before and brought attention to those specific lines, but I got canned responses :( | 05:48 |
| Kuaera | Let me restart X and see how everything operates, and thanks again. :) | 05:49 |
| Kuaera | All's well, it seems. | 05:54 |
| RAOF_ | Score. | 05:54 |
| Kuaera | I still don't have translucency in plasma, but, meh. At least OpenGL works. | 05:58 |
| RAOF_ | You'd need to hit the desktop-effects control panel to turn that on. | 05:58 |
| Kuaera | Actually, I need to be running KWin instead of Openbox... Sad day. | 05:59 |
| RAOF_ | You could install xcompmgr. | 06:01 |
| RAOF_ | That's a stand-alone composite manager. | 06:01 |
| Kuaera | Cool. | 06:04 |
| Kuaera | RAOF_: Thanks a ton... I'm glad I've been able to maintain this balance between desktop features and weight | 06:07 |
| mak_ | HI any one out there For Ubuntu-9.04 Jaunty support | 07:10 |
| mak_ | channel | 07:10 |
| mak_ | ? | 07:10 |
| mak_ | Hi Anyone out here to help my cause ? | 07:11 |
| mak_ | Hi all | 07:12 |
| mak_ | I had problem with my Newely Upgraded Ubuntu-9.04 Jaunty package release | 07:12 |
| mak_ | some conflicts woth the /etc/route | 07:13 |
| mak_ | Any one to solve my issue | 07:16 |
| mak_ | ? | 07:16 |
| mak_ | Hew,,, are you there | 07:22 |
| mak_ | ? | 07:22 |
| Hew | mak_: Yes, what's up? | 07:23 |
| syockit | ask once and wait | 07:23 |
| syockit | Hew: < mak_> some conflicts woth the /etc/route | 07:23 |
| Hew | mak_: I hope you're not just pinging everyone that enters the channel. | 07:23 |
| mak_ | <Hew>,,,I had problem with running openvpn script ,,,and I Got warning message like | 07:23 |
| mak_ | WARNING: potential route subnet conflict between local LAN [192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0] and remote VPN [192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0] | 07:24 |
| mak_ | And i am loosing my Internet connection,,, | 07:24 |
| Hew | mak_: Is this even a Jaunty specific issue? Perhaps you would be better off asking in #ubuntu | 07:24 |
| mak_ | i thought it's an jaunty specific issue,,,, | 07:25 |
| Hew | mak_: Ok then. | 07:25 |
| mak_ | when will be the full Beta release of jaunty will take place | 07:25 |
| mak_ | ? | 07:25 |
| mak_ | <Hew>,,,i Thought i could have remained in Ubuntu-8.10,,,, it's the Best | 07:26 |
| Hew | mak_: If you want stability you should use Intrepid. Jaunty is for testing. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule | 07:27 |
| Hew | mak_: There is no need to address me specifically, just ask questions to the channel. | 07:28 |
| mak_ | okay okay | 07:28 |
| BUGabundo | good morning everyone | 10:19 |
| BUGabundo | what's new? | 10:19 |
| BUGabundo | other then the 180MiBs of updates | 10:20 |
| Oli`` | Hmm all my SSH keys require me to type in my key's passphrase today =\ odd | 10:44 |
| maco | Oli``: is seahose-agent or gpg-agent running? | 10:45 |
| maco | i have to enter mine with gpg-agent but not seahorse-agent | 10:46 |
| Oli`` | seahorse-agent is running | 10:46 |
| maco | oh | 10:46 |
| arve__ | surely, you jest, jaunty | 11:00 |
| arve__ | I'm wondering: is there a bug about Jaunty now trying to insist on using the terminally broken MTP for connecting audio devices? | 11:00 |
| arve__ | my device has no override on it, and I really don't want to have to resort to managing it from some audio app | 11:01 |
| === arve__ is now known as virtuelv | ||
| virtuelv | rsync is a much better, and more flexible tool than some proprietary MS stuff | 11:08 |
| virtuelv | and if I try to remove mtp-tools, rhythmbox goes | 11:09 |
| virtuelv | Filed as: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/328465 | 11:36 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 328465 in ubuntu "MTP support prevents mass-storage capable media players from mounting" [Undecided,New] | 11:36 |
| === quassel198 is now known as ndazza | ||
| ndazza | hi, i seem to remember there was some kind of installation report users could fill in for pre-release versions but i can't seem to find it... does anyone know where it is? | 12:32 |
| dns | hey | 12:36 |
| IntuitiveNipple | ndazza: System > Administration > System Testing ? | 12:38 |
| ndazza | IntuitiveNipple: on kubuntu? | 12:38 |
| ndazza | :) | 12:38 |
| IntuitiveNipple | ha... you want #kubuntu+1 <grin> | 12:39 |
| ndazza | oh, i thought that's what i joined :p | 12:39 |
| ndazza | sorry | 12:39 |
| IntuitiveNipple | There was/is a wiki page for Hardware testing I seem to recall | 12:39 |
| ndazza | ah thanks, i'll search the wiki too | 12:40 |
| ndazza | heheh #kubuntu+1 redirects here | 12:42 |
| dns | does anyone know how to eject a disk from a slot loading drive? | 12:48 |
| dns | oh eject | 12:49 |
| skyjumper | amarok broken in jaunty for anyone else? | 13:09 |
| skyjumper | it streamed shoutcast for about 30 seconds, segfaulted, and won't open at all | 13:10 |
| ndazza | i'm on a live CD... i'll install and test | 13:11 |
| bardyr | Hey, has anybody been able to compile ndiswrapper against kernel 2.6.29-rc4? | 13:26 |
| ikonia | bardyr: is that the current kernel in jaunty | 13:28 |
| Pici | No. | 13:28 |
| skyjumper | bardyr: are you trying to use flash on amd64? | 13:29 |
| skyjumper | there's a beta 64bit plugin available now | 13:29 |
| virtuelv | re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/328465 | 13:32 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 328465 in ubuntu "MTP support prevents mass-storage capable media players from mounting" [Undecided,New] | 13:32 |
| virtuelv | is there a proper workaround? | 13:33 |
| miik | my screenshot stop working | 14:35 |
| unixdawg | having issues with updates | 14:35 |
| miik | when i press screenshot nothing happen | 14:35 |
| miik | why? | 14:35 |
| unixdawg | and aptitude install -f is nto fixing it | 14:35 |
| unixdawg | it says there are 13 new pkgs | 14:36 |
| unixdawg | btu they wont install | 14:36 |
| BUGabundo | unixdawg: maybe they haven't been built yet | 14:37 |
| unixdawg | adept keeps crashing now | 14:37 |
| BUGabundo | never force unless you know what you are doing | 14:37 |
| BUGabundo | miik: suffering from the same | 14:37 |
| BUGabundo | the key seems to use sysrek instead | 14:37 |
| unixdawg | well adept is now borked | 14:41 |
| unixdawg | this pisses me off | 14:41 |
| miik | anyone report screenshot bug? | 14:42 |
| unixdawg | I got up it said there where 99 updates | 14:44 |
| unixdawg | they all installed then I rebooted it said there where 13 more new updates but they wont install | 14:44 |
| unixdawg | and adept has stopped working it locks up at reading package list 99% | 14:45 |
| unixdawg | and stops responding | 14:45 |
| miik | :( | 14:46 |
| miik | try apt-get | 14:46 |
| unixdawg | I have it says 5 updates are being held back | 14:47 |
| unixdawg | but does not say why | 14:47 |
| miik | i think 24 hours, they wont be hold | 14:47 |
| unixdawg | The following packages have been kept back: | 14:48 |
| unixdawg | audacity gnome-keyring plasmoid-quickaccess python-gnome2-desktop system-config-printer-kde | 14:48 |
| unixdawg | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded | 14:48 |
| miik | maybe some depence that it needs are not updated | 14:48 |
| miik | f-spot is kept back for me | 14:48 |
| miik | usually solves withi n24 hours | 14:48 |
| unixdawg | the only other issue is random lockups | 14:49 |
| unixdawg | in X | 14:50 |
| unixdawg | but this is beta so I guess its to be expecter | 14:50 |
| miik | its not even beta yet, its alpha | 14:50 |
| miik | i have no random lockups | 14:50 |
| unixdawg | it might be a kde issue | 14:51 |
| unixdawg | but 3 times yesterday and twice this am | 14:51 |
| unixdawg | just locks up | 14:51 |
| BUGabundo | miik: I think I have. look on LP | 14:51 |
| miik | used kde 3 days ago, no lockups | 14:51 |
| unixdawg | I have tested the mem and hardware they all come back clean | 14:51 |
| miik | BUGabundo, where? | 14:52 |
| miik | bug id? | 14:52 |
| unixdawg | wel now off to install a server | 14:54 |
| unixdawg | check back ltr | 14:54 |
| BUGabundo | miik: look for it! I don't know either | 14:58 |
| BUGabundo | I have 300+ bugs opened | 14:59 |
| miik | ho | 14:59 |
| miik | many | 14:59 |
| miik | oh | 14:59 |
| BUGabundo | don't you ? | 14:59 |
| miik | no | 15:00 |
| BUGabundo | from once in a while I "try" to check a few of them to see if they have been fixed | 15:00 |
| BUGabundo | but it takes A LOT of time | 15:00 |
| miik | oh | 15:00 |
| BUGabundo | and usually I just get with even more bugs | 15:00 |
| miik | well you can search and sort them | 15:00 |
| miik | like ORDER BY status FIXED | 15:00 |
| gnomefreak | email wioll tell you ;) | 15:00 |
| miik | maybe with advanced search | 15:00 |
| gnomefreak | s/wioll/will | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | those don't coung | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | *count | 15:01 |
| gnomefreak | damn ill be back :( | 15:03 |
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| skyjumper | why might "Style" might be missing in KDE's system settings? | 15:29 |
| skyjumper | using jaunty with minimal kde | 15:30 |
| ikonia | skyjumper: not as part of the minimal install ? | 15:34 |
| skyjumper | not on my system | 15:35 |
| BUGabundo | miik: ping | 15:36 |
| BUGabundo | miik: do you have some free time? | 15:36 |
| BUGabundo | could I ask you a favor? | 15:37 |
| unixdawg | where is koffice2 | 15:39 |
| unixdawg | I need/want it | 15:39 |
| BUGabundo | unixdawg: was it ported to kde4 ? | 15:44 |
| unixdawg | not sure | 15:44 |
| unixdawg | looking | 15:44 |
| mahfiaz | hello, I have a T61 which touchpad isn't working on clean jaunty install, it produces events to /dev/input/mouse2, but no movement on screen | 17:18 |
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| ali1234 | my sound is completely screwed with the last updates :( | 19:23 |
| mahfiaz1 | killall pulseaudio | 19:24 |
| ali1234 | mahfiaz1: doesn't help | 19:26 |
| === mahfiaz1 is now known as mahfiaz | ||
| ali1234 | with pulse or alsa i just hear a horrible clicking sound when trying to play any sound | 19:27 |
| Tecumseh | hi there, I have a problem to keep my resolution settings. I can set the correct resolution in the nvidia x server settings dialog (through kdesudo nvidia-settings) but when I try to save this configuration to the xorg.conf it fails. | 19:27 |
| mahfiaz | Tecumseh, run it using "sudo nvidia-config" | 19:28 |
| mahfiaz | ali1234, search, if there is alsa bug present about your card | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | running gui apps with sudo is a bad idea, it screws up your X permissions | 19:29 |
| Tecumseh | nvidia-config is not installed here | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | Tecumseh: try saving the xorg.conf to an alternate file in home directory and copying it manually after backing up the orignal | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | but it probably wont work - nvidia-settings seems to generate none working configs | 19:30 |
| mahfiaz | ali1234, I don't think there is a better way | 19:30 |
| mahfiaz | it was nvidia-settings | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | mahfiaz: better way? use gksudo or kdesudo | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | !gksudo | 19:31 |
| ubottu | If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why) | 19:31 |
| mahfiaz | ali1234, thanks, I wasn't aware of that | 19:31 |
| Tecumseh | ali1234: luckily I was | 19:32 |
| custombrush | i have 1920x1200 and a nvidia 7600 card | 19:32 |
| Tecumseh | I have been trying to get my display settings correct since I installed jaunty yesterday. Took me 4 hours yesterday without progress | 19:32 |
| Tecumseh | same problems as I had with intrepid and hardy, seems there still is no good way to configure the display correctly :( | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | Tecumseh: it used to work but the new xorg way is to run without much of a conf at all, and autodetect everything | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | unfortunately it seems nvidia-settings did not keep up | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | of course it depends what you are trying to do | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | the gnome built-in display settings is getting quite good now too | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | never tried kde | 19:35 |
| Tecumseh | also kde is not keeping up with it either. The nvidia-settings dialog detects a much larger resolution range that it supports then the system-settings do | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | ah yes | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | well what i found was a good approach was to generate a config using nvidia-settings and then use that and the default one to write my own from scratch, with whatever custom modelines i needed | 19:36 |
| Tecumseh | tried that already, but on boot it gets replaced by a blank file | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | that's odd... shouldn't happen should it? | 19:36 |
| Tecumseh | only thing that remained was the zapmode with the hotkey to restart X with ctrl alt backspace | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | hmm... updates perhaps? | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | that's annoying if they are gonna nuke xorg.conf every time | 19:37 |
| Tecumseh | yep, very much | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | i'm generating PAL RGB signal on the VGA port right into my TV's SCART socket | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | i get a STB quality picture instead of blurry composite - but it NEEDS a custom config | 19:38 |
| Turl | hi | 20:16 |
| Turl | where's the volume applet in jaunty? | 20:16 |
| maco | Turl: notification area | 20:16 |
| maco | it starts when pulseaudio start | 20:16 |
| Turl | I want to control the volume from the notification area, but no applet :/ | 20:16 |
| Turl | there's no gnome-volume-control-applet either (it should be there as I have gnome-applets installed) | 20:17 |
| fosco_ | mine it's there | 20:18 |
| Turl | odd | 20:18 |
| Turl | any way to 'rebuild' the config on the sessions panel? I want to reset it, because I think I messed it up | 20:19 |
| zniavre | Turl: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel | 20:21 |
| Turl | won't that reset my gnome panel? | 20:22 |
| zniavre | mmm yes sorry if i misunderstound | 20:22 |
| Turl | zniavre: I want to reset the config you see on system->preferences->sessions | 20:22 |
| zniavre | this i do not knw sorry | 20:23 |
| Turl | mv ~/.config/autostart backup | 20:28 |
| Turl | that was it :p | 20:28 |
| Turl | well, cya all! | 20:29 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/201202 | 20:32 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 201202 in network-manager "WiFi roaming causes NetworkManager to lose routing" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | ah i see what happened. the sound was muted, so i was only hearing the crackling, instead of the crackling and the audio | 20:34 |
| nikolam | hi. how do i know what jaunty version i am using? (to report bugs) lsb_release seems not to work by default on xubuntu | 20:38 |
| mahfiaz | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade to make sure you run the latest | 20:39 |
| nikolam | Also will ext4 be supported by default in jaunty final? :) | 20:39 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, jes, but i want to report bug. Do I do that under just jaunty or some of alpha versions? | 20:40 |
| nikolam | I would like to know command that , like displays current version | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | the important thing is the version of the package you a reporting a bug on | 20:41 |
| nikolam | oh, ok. | 20:41 |
| nikolam | I have another question, wider one.. | 20:41 |
| nikolam | how you manage co use ubuntu for everyday tasks with stable release | 20:42 |
| nikolam | and to test it at the same time newer, development version? | 20:42 |
| mahfiaz | I do all tasks on devel version | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | i have several computers | 20:43 |
| nikolam | I mostly use Hardy as desktop but I installed jaunty and updated, just for testing. I do that just few weeks/months before release etc | 20:43 |
| mahfiaz | I just have to make sure I don't upgrade when some critical work is to be done | 20:43 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, but testing version sometomes breaks etc | 20:43 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, scary a bit for me | 20:44 |
| nikolam | ali1234, ah yes, i do dual boot on another partition | 20:44 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, do you think, newer packages could be fine tested if ported to stable version? | 20:45 |
| nikolam | I was making packages for my stable version for some time now. | 20:45 |
| mahfiaz | yes they could | 20:45 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, but will that ,like, bug report, be valid to testing package version since it is running on stable release? | 20:46 |
| mahfiaz | it is not very common when some package needs upgraded libraries, and usually you cannot compile it then without upgraded libs | 20:46 |
| mahfiaz | I cannot say it is for *ALL* reports, but for most of them yes | 20:47 |
| nikolam | providing libraries are updated, but if program works with older libraries, older libraries are used | 20:47 |
| nikolam | Yes, i most of the time needed to update libraries | 20:47 |
| mahfiaz | it depens on what program you are debugging :) | 20:48 |
| nikolam | Problem is that I am just still thinking in Win*Doze way | 20:48 |
| nikolam | I just Love LTS. :) | 20:48 |
| mahfiaz | that's why pre-LTS versions need thorough testing and many bleeding-edge users :) | 20:49 |
| nikolam | I have been doing everythink I can to stay on that and jus add newer packages etc | 20:49 |
| mahfiaz | if you need stability, but newer programs then this is the way to go | 20:50 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, soo, stable releases could be thinked of, like, "testing" releases for next LTS, right? :) | 20:50 |
| nikolam | like 6.10, 7.04, 7.10 were for 8.04LTS | 20:50 |
| mahfiaz | sure | 20:51 |
| mahfiaz | :) | 20:51 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, would you think it would be good think to port most of new packages to -backports of LTS, or that will not be good for development then? | 20:52 |
| nikolam | I would mostly be VERY happy that way as LTS user on my notebook and on installs where I need newer packages but several year worth of install | 20:53 |
| nikolam | So I am thinking will you advise porting many and newest packages to -backports | 20:54 |
| andrea | salve a tutti | 20:54 |
| nikolam | It would speed up testing, wouldn`t it? | 20:54 |
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| nikolam | hi Guest18209 :) | 20:55 |
| mahfiaz | I think it is matter of somebody willing to do this, I personally don't care about LTS versions, as all versions have to be stable enough, but I am not the right person to answer | 20:55 |
| Guest18209 | excuse me, there is someone who speak italian? | 20:55 |
| mahfiaz | and most of developers whom I know are on unstable anyway | 20:55 |
| Guest18209 | ok I try in english | 20:56 |
| Guest18209 | i've got an alice voip gate 2 plus wi fi | 20:56 |
| Guest18209 | and ubuntu 8.04 | 20:56 |
| nikolam | i see. I am just thinking.. will porting packages to -backports will benefit development of newer packages etc | 20:56 |
| nikolam | Guest18209, this is development channel. Use #ubuntu for user support for stable versions :) | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | !it | 20:58 |
| ubottu | Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare) | 20:58 |
| Guest18209 | I'v tried to connect the modem with ethernet, but i don't understand the settings | 20:58 |
| Guest18209 | someone can help me? | 20:58 |
| mahfiaz | nikolam, I think this may be case only for some special applications like inkscape or gimp | 20:58 |
| nikolam | Guest18209, consult your Loco Italian community #ubuntu-it , #ubuntu | 20:59 |
| hggdh | Guest18209, this channel is for Ubuntu 9.04, not Ubuntu 8.04. Please try #ubuntu | 20:59 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, yes, right, mostly those applications that LTS or stable users would like and will need to upgrade to | 20:59 |
| nikolam | The same way like, getdeb.net is working to say so. Just those packages that people are interested in. | 21:00 |
| nikolam | mahfiaz, Where Should I post about this idea to get developer`s opinions about this? | 21:01 |
| nikolam | I think that way we could have 1) Very Happy stable/lts release folks 2) wide testing of newer packages | 21:02 |
| nikolam | If someones package from backports does not work right, he can always use stable one. | 21:03 |
| nikolam | That way ordinary stable release users could be benefited from IF they are willing to use unsupported -backports | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | nikolam: you can use PPAs to release your backports if you want: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA | 21:05 |
| DanaG | New fix in gnome-session: | 21:08 |
| DanaG | - Fix possible crash when pressing Fn-F7 | 21:08 |
| DanaG | Fn-F7? Fn-F7 on what? | 21:08 |
| DanaG | "Fn-F7" is not very specific. | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | Fn-F7 = disable touchpad here | 21:09 |
| DanaG | It's nothing at all for my laptop. | 21:09 |
| DanaG | Exactly why they need to say "on touchpad-disable" or "on video-switch" or whatever the heck it is. | 21:09 |
| DanaG | Fn-f7 can mean completely different things on different laptops. | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | looks like LCD brightness change | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568713 | 21:15 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 568713 in plugins "g-s-d xrandr plugin crashes in handle_fn_f7 because of wrong error handling" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | gnome actually has a function called "handle_fn_f7" | 21:15 |
| nikolam | ali1234, just to make shure, after that, those packages in ppa will not bu available automatically inside stable_release-backports, or they will? | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | nikolam: they won't afaik | 21:16 |
| maco | interesting | 21:17 |
| maco | fn+f7 for me is "Turn off the backlight" | 21:17 |
| maco | my brightness are f5 and f6 | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | yep always different... god knows why they named a function that way. presumably it has the potential to crash regardless of what the actual function of the key is | 21:18 |
| nikolam | ali1234, but after making them and putting in ppa, someone could be contacted to put some of them in -backports? | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 21:20 |
| fujimitsu | just got updates; compiz is working | 21:26 |
| fujimitsu | i like fade effect on destop background change | 21:29 |
| fujimitsu | but that was happening even before visual effects were enabled anyway | 21:30 |
| fujimitsu | the only thing i have seen crashing was npviewer in the last 3 days | 21:33 |
| fujimitsu | once or twice | 21:34 |
| fujimitsu | this is coming out to be very stable | 21:34 |
| fujimitsu | hmm | 21:34 |
| fujimitsu | there is a minor sound issue on startup; some crackling noice while on the splash screen and during the welcome sound.. other wise no problems | 21:39 |
| fujimitsu | all this on a mt3422 laptop | 21:40 |
| fujimitsu | 64bit system version | 21:40 |
| fujimitsu | then again, i only use this particular puter for websurfing and other minor stuff | 21:42 |
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| alessio | sarebbe ubuntu+1??? | 22:17 |
| hggdh | huh? | 22:41 |
| thompa | firefox is not keeping bookmarks | 22:43 |
| ian1 | anyone know a fix for terrible opengl performance (60 FPS in glxgears) in jaunty with "Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)" ... glxinfo: "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE2" (using DRI: yes) | 22:44 |
| thompa | Bookmarks Toolbar anyway. strange that some stayed from before | 22:45 |
| ian1 | tried some xorg.conf changes: Option "AccelMethod" "xaa" (didn't startup), and now: Option "AccelMethod" "exa", Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" (starts but still slow) | 22:45 |
| thompa | turning off compiz | 22:45 |
| thompa | ian1: turn off compiz | 22:47 |
| thompa | that solved for me a couple problems, but I just got another update | 22:47 |
| RAOF | ian1: Is that _generally_ bad opengl performance, or just poor glxgears numbers? | 22:47 |
| ian1 | thompa: compiz is off | 22:48 |
| thompa | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7300 GS] (rev a1) | 22:48 |
| thompa | fast enough gears here | 22:48 |
| thompa | enable it then and then back off | 22:49 |
| BUGabundo | is compiz fusion working for you guys? | 22:49 |
| BUGabundo | mine has trouble changing from metacity to compiz | 22:49 |
| RAOF | ian1: IE: do you have bad performance in an actual OpenGL app? Because glxgears isn't a reliable indication of opengl performance. | 22:49 |
| thompa | working on intel here great in a vaio with 3G | 22:49 |
| thompa | yesterday it was not, the nvidia card i got works great now though | 22:50 |
| ian1 | RAOF: seems like generally bad performance. glxgears used to give much higher performance in 8.04 (I don't remember exactly, but at least in the hundreds) | 22:50 |
| RAOF | ian1: Intel is in a bit of flux; you might have better luck with AccelMethod "uxa". | 22:50 |
| thompa | ian1: try eliminating some things i guess. what command did you run | 22:51 |
| thompa | try something else | 22:51 |
| ian1 | thompa: somethings? | 22:51 |
| thompa | ian1: when was your last update. I would just wait | 22:51 |
| thompa | ian1: something to check frame rate if thats what you want | 22:52 |
| ian1 | thompa: I just updated 8.04 -> 8.10 then to jaunty hoping to fix these video problems | 22:53 |
| thompa | ian1: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/releases/repo/pts.debian/files/phoronix-test-suite_1.6.0_all.deb | 22:53 |
| thompa | ian1: what intel processor is it? | 22:54 |
| RAOF | Ba baw. Upgrading to Jaunty isn't a good way to fix anything :) | 22:54 |
| thompa | 810? | 22:54 |
| RAOF | It's a 965. | 22:55 |
| ian1 | I thought that maybe the new kernel with GEM would help | 22:55 |
| RAOF | No. What that'll do is make performance (at least for some people) horrible. | 22:56 |
| RAOF | Turning on UXA might un-horrible the performance, though. | 22:56 |
| ian1 | I'll try it | 22:56 |
| thompa | ian1: whats the brand laptop? | 22:56 |
| ian1 | just Option "AccelMethod" "uxa" in the device section? | 22:56 |
| ian1 | lenovo T61 | 22:57 |
| RAOF | ian1: Yup. As mentioned above ;) | 22:57 |
| RAOF | ian1: Note that UXA might break suspend/resume, or cause rendering artefacts, or just not work. | 22:57 |
| thompa | ian1: how does compiz work? | 22:57 |
| ian1 | compiz runs at 60 fps according to Compiz Benchmark | 23:01 |
| RAOF | That's likely to be vsync. | 23:02 |
| ian1 | could that be limiting glxgears also (outside of compiz) ? | 23:02 |
| RAOF | Yes. | 23:03 |
| RAOF | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting <= might be useful for you. | 23:03 |
| ian1 | oh I'm not in uxa yet btw | 23:03 |
| RAOF | Yeah, I know. You haven't disconnected yet :) | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | ian1: my NVidia 8400 runs at 350 FPS on single monitor | 23:03 |
| RAOF | And is vastly more powerful. And won't be syncing to the monitor's vblank, either. | 23:06 |
| ian1 | RAOF: hm accidently hit Fn-F12 instead of Ctrl-F12 (to disable compiz FPS monitor) and it seems that hibernate now works... ;) | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | yeah, finally the X bug has been fixed | 23:09 |
| RAOF | ian1: But not with UXA (possibly) :) | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | and now Resume WORKS | 23:09 |
| ian1 | hah | 23:09 |
| nikolam | hi. does anyone know how many previous kernels are left in /boot after kernel upgrades? | 23:10 |
| RAOF | With the binary nvidia driver, resume has worked for me for a long time. | 23:10 |
| ian1 | RAOF: is UXA newer than XAA and EXA? | 23:10 |
| RAOF | Yes. | 23:11 |
| nikolam | since after every update older kernels are left behind in /boot | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | nikolam: ALL | 23:11 |
| RAOF | It's the new gpu-memory-manager based acceleration arch for Intel. | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: it was broken until last Monday | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | bug on xorg-xserver-nv | 23:11 |
| RAOF | What | 23:12 |
| RAOF | ? | 23:12 |
| nikolam | BUGabundo, why is that. My /boot is like 100 or 200Megs. It used to get full and i need to remove them manually to free disk space for /boot. That can brake updates.. hmm | 23:12 |
| RAOF | nv resumes from suspend? | 23:12 |
| ian1 | RAOF: ok restarting with uxa brb | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | nikolam: there is an option some where (apt ??) that lets you choose how many to keep | 23:13 |
| nikolam | BUGabundo, maybe we should make it choose default number of previous kernels, not tu fill all /boot space to people | 23:14 |
| nikolam | Think it would be wise etc? | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | nikolam: file a (wish)bug on LP | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | and let us know it, so we can subs to it | 23:15 |
| nikolam | I Have one lts install where i fixed it by installing linux-image that depends always on newest kernel | 23:15 |
| nikolam | Thanks BUGabundo | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | np | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | nikolam: by the way UM won't upgrade if it detects low disk | 23:16 |
| BUGabundo | if it fails to check the /boot partition space it's a bug | 23:16 |
| BUGabundo | file that too | 23:16 |
| nikolam | BUGabundo, maybe now it won`t in some previous stable releases it update and then fails etc. | 23:16 |
| ian1 | RAOF: UXA gives 550+ FPS in glxgears | 23:16 |
| RAOF | And is generally snappier? | 23:17 |
| BUGabundo | yes | 23:17 |
| BUGabundo | its new to UM | 23:17 |
| nikolam | maybe i should just wait for /boot to get full and report what happens then | 23:17 |
| * RAOF notes that glxgears _remains_ not a benchmark :) | 23:17 | |
| * BUGabundo RAOF coments are making me wanna test my system again | 23:18 | |
| BUGabundo | $ glxgears | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | 1714 frames in 5.0 seconds = 342.768 FPS | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | 709 frames in 5.0 seconds = 141.693 FPS | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | 711 frames in 5.0 seconds = 142.141 FPS | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | on FULL SCREEN | 23:18 |
| ian1 | RAOF: feels snappier. and in compiz switching desktops is now smooth | 23:20 |
| ian1 | I'll try a suspend/resume | 23:21 |
| * ian2 hugs RAOF and ubuntu and UXA and probably carl worth | 23:22 | |
| maco | on full screen i get 116fps | 23:26 |
| maco | normal size glxgears is 420 | 23:27 |
| maco | BUGabundo: what is "UM"? | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | ROFL | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | you should know girl | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | Update Manager | 23:27 |
| maco | oh | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | yeah we have WAY too many abreviations | 23:28 |
| maco | BUGabundo: i thought you were saying UXA was new to UM...couldnt figure out what video card driver that was | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | nop | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | other thread | 23:28 |
| ian2 | RAOF: thanks | 23:34 |
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