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| lool | oy | 12:01 |
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| lool | persia: ? | 12:01 |
| persia | heh. | 12:02 |
| persia | #startmeeting | 12:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 06:02. The chair is persia. | 12:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 12:02 |
| persia | So, welcome to the Mobile Team meeting | 12:02 |
| persia | Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090212 | 12:03 |
| * ogra meeps | 12:03 | |
| lool | StevenK: Around? | 12:03 |
| StevenK | I might be | 12:03 |
| davidm | I'm here | 12:04 |
| persia | First up: action items from the last meeting | 12:04 |
| davidm | thanks persa | 12:04 |
| persia | [topic] persia to get initial results from mobile-setup-wizard (co) | 12:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: persia to get initial results from mobile-setup-wizard (co) | 12:04 |
| davidm | s/persa/persia/ | 12:04 |
| persia | Well, it runs, but we probably have to tune some things. I need to file some bugs about this, and update the spec. | 12:04 |
| persia | [action] persia to file bugs to fix mobile-setup-wizard issues | 12:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to file bugs to fix mobile-setup-wizard issues | 12:05 |
| ogra | no NCommander ? | 12:05 |
| persia | NCommander seems missing, so we'll carry those over | 12:05 |
| persia | [topic] persia to request conclusions from application research delegates for mobile-applications (co) | 12:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: persia to request conclusions from application research delegates for mobile-applications (co) | 12:05 |
| persia | So, I poked you each individually, and I've not seen any updates. Given that we're a week before FF, I'm convinced nobody is testing anything. | 12:06 |
| persia | Did anyone test their apps? | 12:06 |
| lool | I wasn't poked, but I didn't have any update | 12:06 |
| lool | I didn't take anytime to test anything indeed | 12:06 |
| * ogra was more busy researching the d-i breakages on nslu2 which has higher prio for me atm | 12:07 | |
| ogra | so i didnt do any research either | 12:07 |
| persia | So, shall we defer the mobile applications review until jaunty+1 ? | 12:07 |
| davidm | Yes | 12:07 |
| ogra | well, at least to post FF | 12:08 |
| persia | OK. | 12:08 |
| persia | [topic] davidm to target mid-screen-rotation for A5 | 12:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: davidm to target mid-screen-rotation for A5 | 12:08 |
| ogra | FF is somewhat threatening | 12:08 |
| lool | Yes | 12:08 |
| ogra | that was marked obsolete | 12:08 |
| persia | What replaces it? | 12:08 |
| davidm | Yes, it's priority is very very low | 12:08 |
| ogra | though i think we could nearly go with what is in gnome atm | 12:08 |
| lool | davidm: You have updated a bunch of specs, how did you decide to obsolete some? | 12:08 |
| ogra | the new gnome rotation applet is pretty neat and would work with small modifications in MID | 12:09 |
| davidm | Based on the hardware platform is changing next cycle and it makes no sense to address a platform that will disapear | 12:09 |
| davidm | ogra, if you have time great but it's priority is low low | 12:10 |
| ogra | well, MID is a desktop flavour | 12:10 |
| ogra | not really related to HW on the top level | 12:10 |
| persia | MID ought be hardware independent, really. | 12:10 |
| ogra | but i agree we should not care to much this round | 12:10 |
| lool | I think davidm might be hinting that we're targetting netbooks before MIDs this cycle | 12:10 |
| ogra | right | 12:10 |
| davidm | Yes, netbooks critical to address, MID much less so. | 12:11 |
| lool | davidm: perhaps you should update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap to not list the specs you obsoleted? | 12:11 |
| persia | Or superceded. | 12:12 |
| davidm | And with acceleromitors coming out very cheap next cycle an on-screen applet is even lower in priority | 12:12 |
| davidm | lool, will do | 12:12 |
| persia | [action] davidm to update roadmap to reflect specs targeted for jaunty | 12:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to update roadmap to reflect specs targeted for jaunty | 12:12 |
| persia | OK. Moving on... | 12:12 |
| persia | [topic] davidm to explore eee PC WiFi with pgraner this week | 12:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: davidm to explore eee PC WiFi with pgraner this week | 12:13 |
| davidm | I've done so, the eee PC that I have and it seems most eeePC's have is ATH5K | 12:13 |
| davidm | it's beeing looked at | 12:13 |
| persia | Great. | 12:13 |
| ogra | right, only the really new ones have the realtek | 12:13 |
| lool | davidm: It should wokr OOB in jaunty | 12:13 |
| davidm | My eee PC works but loses it's mind every once in a while | 12:14 |
| persia | Next up is Roadmap. I'll preview and skip those that are obsolete or superseded | 12:14 |
| lool | davidm: And it should work with the backports-module package in intrepid, or with the proprietary module in plain intrepid (except it wont suspend/resume properly) | 12:14 |
| davidm | lool, agreed, it's a top priority for kernel team | 12:14 |
| lool | davidm: I mean, I'm saying this should be the case TTBOMK | 12:14 |
| lool | +already | 12:14 |
| lool | See lp #275692 | 12:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 275692 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.27 "ath_pci must be reloaded after resume" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275692 | 12:15 |
| ogra | yes, we tested it in intrepid on the Q1 ... but there might be other chipsets in the eee | 12:15 |
| lool | I tested the hotkeys under UNR myself during FOSDEM, and all were working except the sleep one | 12:15 |
| lool | ogra: I tested on an eeepc | 12:15 |
| ogra | i thik slangasek is on that | 12:15 |
| ogra | oh, you had an eee in intrepid ? | 12:15 |
| ogra | i didnt know that | 12:16 |
| lool | Yes, at FOSDEM | 12:16 |
| ogra | ah | 12:16 |
| lool | I don't have one, just grabbed the one on the Ubuntu stand | 12:16 |
| lool | Anyway, topic closed | 12:16 |
| ogra | i was thinking during develpment | 12:16 |
| persia | So, moving on... | 12:16 |
| persia | [topic] ogra: offline-installer | 12:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ogra: offline-installer | 12:16 |
| ogra | started hacking on a script, but not much progress due to d-i oddities with the slug | 12:16 |
| ogra | i hope to have something uploadable on the weekend | 12:17 |
| persia | [topic] StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty | 12:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty | 12:17 |
| ogra | though i dont know how important the spec still is | 12:17 |
| ogra | we have no kernels that could be used at all | 12:17 |
| persia | It's still "Approved" | 12:17 |
| StevenK | Hmmm? | 12:17 |
| ogra | and the slug wont run a desktop session | 12:17 |
| ogra | davidm, ^^^? | 12:18 |
| StevenK | Is it Good Progress or something else? | 12:18 |
| persia | Err. untopic, since this seems to require discussion. | 12:18 |
| ogra | right | 12:18 |
| persia | [topic] ogra: offline-installer | 12:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ogra: offline-installer | 12:18 |
| ogra | i'm not sure what to build here without having any arm kernels | 12:18 |
| ogra | whoops, sotty i mixed the spec with selection-of-arm-images | 12:19 |
| ogra | *sorry even | 12:19 |
| persia | OK. Then for offline-installer ? | 12:20 |
| ogra | i started looking at vm-builder and beyond that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch seems to be widely used already | 12:20 |
| ogra | jerone started sending fixes and to make changes to the wikipages | 12:21 |
| ogra | *page | 12:21 |
| persia | Are you planning to get a new package in pre-FF to handle this, or does it not need that? | 12:21 |
| ogra | topic done ... will come to the kernel stuff later :) | 12:21 |
| ogra | i would like to have a package, but worst case the script will do as i would rather like to base a packaged thing on vm-builder and i'm not done with that yet | 12:22 |
| persia | Right. | 12:22 |
| persia | [topic] StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty | 12:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty | 12:22 |
| ogra | i'm also not sure how much time the slug will still take | 12:22 |
| ogra | which constraints my time pre FF massively as it has to be ready for A5 | 12:22 |
| StevenK | Right, so what the Status of UNRJaunty? | 12:22 |
| persia | "Good Progress". | 12:23 |
| StevenK | It's still that | 12:23 |
| ogra | implemented ? | 12:23 |
| ogra | :) | 12:23 |
| persia | RIght. | 12:23 |
| persia | Next up. | 12:23 |
| ogra | its there, we have dailies ... | 12:23 |
| StevenK | There is a whole bunch of patches in the spec too ... | 12:24 |
| ogra | oh, right | 12:24 |
| persia | [topic] ogra: selection-of-arm-images | 12:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ogra: selection-of-arm-images | 12:24 |
| ogra | well, what i said above | 12:24 |
| ogra | cant do much without desktop kernels | 12:24 |
| persia | OK. | 12:24 |
| ogra | and we currently dont support any arm arch that could run desktop | 12:24 |
| persia | That's all the specs on the roadmap that don't appear to have been obsoleted or superseded, so roadmap is complete. | 12:25 |
| persia | [topic] Any Other Business | 12:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 12:25 |
| ogra | so i would like to set it to deferred ... until we have something we can do with it | 12:25 |
| lool | I appended a bug to the roadmap | 12:25 |
| lool | I didn't have time to look into it, would be nice to research it before tomorrow (release team meeting) | 12:25 |
| lool | I researched on babbage and evm, it needs to be researched on rimu (porter box) | 12:26 |
| lool | bug #299847 | 12:26 |
| ogra | weird | 12:26 |
| persia | Oh, sorry I missed that. | 12:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 299847 in libipc-sharelite-perl "armel build failure (without ignoring testsuite results)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299847 | 12:26 |
| persia | [topic] bug 299847 | 12:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug 299847 | 12:26 |
| lool | Would someone have bandwidth to have a look? whether the FTBFS can be reproduced on rimu and diagnose it a little? | 12:26 |
| ogra | does it need to be pre FF ? | 12:27 |
| lool | ogra: You think you will be done with NSLU2 today and can have a look? | 12:27 |
| lool | ogra: It needs to be ASAP, preferably before tomorrow | 12:27 |
| lool | (release team) | 12:27 |
| ogra | i wont be done with nslu2 today ... but i will have spare cycles waiting for kernels | 12:27 |
| lool | This bug is currently RC, but if you diagnose it further, we might discover it's not RC | 12:28 |
| lool | ogra: Mind if I assign to you? | 12:28 |
| ogra | fine, go ahead | 12:28 |
| lool | done, thanks! | 12:28 |
| lool | Done with this tpoic | 12:28 |
| persia | [topic] Any Other Business | 12:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 12:28 |
| lool | persia: I'd like to discuss where to track a couple of things in the ether | 12:28 |
| lool | One is the MID install test case | 12:28 |
| persia | [topic] tracking things in the ether | 12:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: tracking things in the ether | 12:28 |
| lool | I think you have been working on that, but we didn't track it here | 12:28 |
| lool | persia: Would you like to track it as an action or in the roadmap or continue tracking it outside these meetings? | 12:29 |
| persia | testcases will be on testcases.qa.ubuntu.com | 12:29 |
| lool | Good, do you want an action on this? or a roadmap "Other item"? | 12:29 |
| persia | action sounds good, as I don't really want to draft a testing-mid spec. | 12:29 |
| lool | Ok, please action yourself :) | 12:29 |
| * lool hopes not to be quoted out of context | 12:30 | |
| persia | [action] persia to post install testcases for MID and UNR | 12:30 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to post install testcases for MID and UNR | 12:30 |
| lool | thanks | 12:30 |
| lool | persia: Same issue with the vfp libs | 12:30 |
| persia | That's just a spec missing from the roadmap: I'll add it. | 12:30 |
| davmor2 | persia: Still no solid solution at the moment for that but we are working on it | 12:30 |
| lool | persia: Thanks | 12:30 |
| persia | davmor2, Understood. Thanks for the timely update. | 12:30 |
| lool | StevenK: How would you like to track Poulsbo intrepid packaging updates? | 12:31 |
| persia | [action] persia to put vfp spec on the roadmap. | 12:31 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to put vfp spec on the roadmap. | 12:31 |
| lool | StevenK: Should these be tracked with the spec? | 12:31 |
| StevenK | lool: Hmmm, we could track it. | 12:31 |
| StevenK | I'm still waiting for the kernel team | 12:31 |
| lool | StevenK: We had an UDS session and spec on it; should we add to the roadmap? | 12:31 |
| StevenK | And have been otherwise caught up with ********** | 12:32 |
| lool | StevenK: Is there a bug for the addition of intrepid psb-drm to intrepid's kernel tree? | 12:32 |
| StevenK | lool: Nope, please file one :-P | 12:33 |
| lool | StevenK: Mind if I action you to do so? You've been tracking intrepid poulsbo so far | 12:33 |
| lool | I prefer the same person to do it bottom up, otherwise we mix responsabilities | 12:33 |
| StevenK | lool: Fine | 12:33 |
| persia | [action] StevenK to file poulsbo packaging bugs | 12:34 |
| lool | If I ever need to pick it up, I'll pick up the lot :-P | 12:34 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: StevenK to file poulsbo packaging bugs | 12:34 |
| lool | persia: Also action the roadmap addition please | 12:34 |
| persia | [action] persia to finish pouslbo-packaging spec draft and add to roadmap | 12:34 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to finish pouslbo-packaging spec draft and add to roadmap | 12:34 |
| lool | Thanks | 12:34 |
| lool | People, are there any other items you're working on for jaunty/ubuntu which aren't tracked in the roadmap/these meetings? | 12:34 |
| lool | e.g. NSLU2 d-i, or armel ftbfs, or image builds.... no idea | 12:35 |
| lool | ogra: Anything from you? | 12:35 |
| lool | persia, StevenK: did I forget any? | 12:35 |
| ogra | nslu2 mainly | 12:35 |
| lool | ogra: Should we track that as a bug? As an "other item" on the roadmap? | 12:35 |
| ogra | but i'm waiting on all the bits and pieces to appear in the archive atm | 12:35 |
| ogra | "other item" is fine ... | 12:36 |
| ogra | not a bug | 12:36 |
| lool | ogra: I think we have a bug on the nslu2 not booting, right? | 12:36 |
| ogra | i dont think so, but i can go digging after the meeting | 12:36 |
| StevenK | lool: I don't think so | 12:36 |
| persia | [action] ogra to add nslu2 enablement to the Roadmap | 12:36 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to add nslu2 enablement to the Roadmap | 12:36 |
| lool | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/322217 | 12:36 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 322217 in debian-installer "ixp4xx image does not boot" [Undecided,New] | 12:36 |
| ogra | ah, gracias | 12:36 |
| lool | ogra: Mind updating this bug with an apex task and assign you to it? | 12:37 |
| * ogra subscribes | 12:37 | |
| lool | I think you had in your plans to fix apex soon anyway | 12:37 |
| ogra | its uploaded since 2h | 12:37 |
| ogra | not the final fix but the workaround that will make it work with next d-i | 12:37 |
| ogra | as soon as the kernel is there i'll know more | 12:38 |
| lool | I added the bug to the RM | 12:38 |
| ogra | ok | 12:38 |
| ogra | status high or critical ? | 12:38 |
| lool | persia: I'll check for possible additions with NCommander | 12:38 |
| ogra | err importance | 12:38 |
| lool | davidm: Anything from you? | 12:38 |
| lool | ogra: High | 12:38 |
| persia | [action] lool to follow up with NCommander to further extend the roadmap | 12:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to follow up with NCommander to further extend the roadmap | 12:39 |
| lool | persia: Thanks; I'm done | 12:39 |
| persia | [topic] Any Other Business | 12:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 12:39 |
| lool | actually I didn't update my specs? | 12:39 |
| davidm | MOstly from me is meetings, there may be more ARM hardware soonish, will know by feature freezed | 12:39 |
| lool | A couple were deprecated, but here are my updates: | 12:39 |
| lool | mid-display-manager: No update | 12:40 |
| lool | lpia-versus-i386: Some progress; plan is clear now; need to catch infinity to implement changes before jaunty+1 | 12:40 |
| davidm | I'm just back from sprinting | 12:40 |
| lool | recovery-partition: No update | 12:40 |
| lool | lpia-versus-i386 saw progress over the sprint thanks to Colin and Matthias | 12:40 |
| persia | lool, All those were obsolete or superseded, from my quick look. Did I miss something? | 12:40 |
| lool | persia: I think lpia is still on track | 12:40 |
| ogra | davidm, is there any more HW among that that might add FF exceptions ? | 12:40 |
| davidm | Nope, I can't see anyone else making it in, in time. | 12:40 |
| ogra | (if you only know by FF ... sounds worrying) | 12:40 |
| persia | lool, Oh, sorry. I usually consider Approved/Informational to be complete. | 12:41 |
| ogra | good | 12:41 |
| lool | persia: Yeah well this one is weird | 12:41 |
| lool | persia: suggestions to fix it welcome | 12:41 |
| davidm | The problem is that OEM and others within the company need them to make it but ack that they must at least meet FF | 12:41 |
| lool | The actions would now be on infinity's side | 12:41 |
| persia | Maybe remove the informational flag? | 12:41 |
| persia | Generally "Informational" specs don't require implementation. | 12:42 |
| lool | persia: Changed to needs infrastructure | 12:42 |
| persia | Right. Needs an assignee as well, if something is to be done. | 12:42 |
| lool | Oh actually I have one more thing | 12:42 |
| lool | I had to check whether a bug was fixed on my jax10 for the kernel team | 12:42 |
| lool | But I don't have it anymore | 12:42 |
| davidm | Someone with a JAX10 will need to pick up this testing | 12:43 |
| ogra | the jax or the bug ? | 12:43 |
| persia | What's the bug number? | 12:43 |
| davidm | ogra, the JAX | 12:43 |
| ogra | oh | 12:43 |
| lool | I'm afraid I need help from someone with a jax10; basically the goal is to check two things: a) whether jaunty kernels for i386 and lpia properly see 2 SSD drives of 2GB on the jax10 and b) whether UDMA 5 is selected on boot (just attach dmesg to the boot) | 12:43 |
| persia | Right. | 12:43 |
| lool | Bug 280669 | 12:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 280669 in linux "Doesn't detect second part of SSD drive on jax10" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280669 | 12:44 |
| persia | [topic] bug #280669 | 12:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #280669 | 12:44 |
| lool | If the UDMA5 isn't selected, you want to test the linux-lpia in apw's PPA (as noted in the bug) | 12:44 |
| persia | Who volunteers to verify? | 12:44 |
| davidm | Who has jax10's right now? | 12:45 |
| davidm | I don't | 12:45 |
| StevenK | I do | 12:45 |
| * ogra but is already drowning ... i'D really prefer to not do additional pre FF tasks | 12:45 | |
| lool | ogra and ncommander as well I think | 12:45 |
| lool | ogra: it's less urgent | 12:46 |
| lool | I guess I can ask NCommander | 12:46 |
| davidm | StevenK, can you flash image and test? | 12:46 |
| ogra | ah, cool | 12:46 |
| davidm | Or NCommander | 12:46 |
| lool | persia: Action me to tell ncommander to look into this | 12:46 |
| davidm | ogra, you have a lot on your plate now | 12:46 |
| persia | [action] NCommander to test fix for 280699 | 12:46 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to test fix for 280699 | 12:46 |
| ogra | yes | 12:46 |
| lool | As he's not around and I don't want him to discover he's an assignee overnight :) | 12:46 |
| persia | [action] lool to remind NCommander of previous action | 12:46 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to remind NCommander of previous action | 12:46 |
| StevenK | davidm: My Jax is already running alpha-4, it saw it at least | 12:46 |
| ogra | davidm, and the nslu isnt really making it easier ... one install takes 8h ! | 12:47 |
| davidm | OK | 12:47 |
| lool | Any other business? | 12:47 |
| davidm | ogra, ouch | 12:47 |
| ogra | (thats for a minimal commandline system) | 12:47 |
| davidm | lool, yes | 12:47 |
| davidm | We need to finish spec definition several are still in drafting | 12:48 |
| davidm | really need to finish that phase | 12:48 |
| persia | [topic] Finish specs definition | 12:48 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Finish specs definition | 12:48 |
| lool | davidm: Do you have a list of specs? | 12:48 |
| lool | I think we should subscribe ubuntu-mobile to all specs if that's not the case to have a good list of specs on bp.lp.net/~u-m | 12:48 |
| ogra | which ones are still drafting ? | 12:48 |
| * ogra is sure his paperwork is done | 12:49 | |
| persia | I just got the list. Actioning those that need drafting | 12:49 |
| persia | [action] persia to finish drafting arm-library-optimisation | 12:49 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to finish drafting arm-library-optimisation | 12:49 |
| davidm | poulsbo-packaging ARM Softboot Loader ARM library optimization mobile spec cleanup | 12:49 |
| ogra | arm-softboot-loader is deferred, no ? | 12:49 |
| persia | [action] persia to finish drafting poulsbo-packaging | 12:49 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to finish drafting poulsbo-packaging | 12:49 |
| persia | [action] NCommander to finish drafting arm-softboot-loader | 12:50 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to finish drafting arm-softboot-loader | 12:50 |
| lool | mobile spec cleanup needs to be cleaned up: too many level of recursion | 12:50 |
| ogra | it needs new research | 12:50 |
| persia | ogra, No, blocked. | 12:50 |
| davidm | ogra, the spec should be finished as it might suddenly get undefered | 12:50 |
| ogra | it isnt researched properly yet | 12:50 |
| persia | That's what Drafting (Needs Guidance) means :) | 12:50 |
| ogra | there are a ton of existing implementations that werent taken into account | 12:50 |
| davidm | persia, yes you are correct it's blocked but might become unblocked | 12:50 |
| lool | persia: We already have an action earlier on StevenK for poulsbo-packaging; who is it who will complete it: you or StevenK ? | 12:50 |
| StevenK | persia said he would | 12:51 |
| persia | lool, StevenK does it, and I write down what he's doing. | 12:51 |
| lool | Erf ok, whatever works for you two :) | 12:51 |
| persia | OK. Anything else for this topic? | 12:52 |
| davidm | Nope | 12:52 |
| persia | [topic] Any Other Business | 12:52 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 12:52 |
| lool | I'm happy | 12:53 |
| persia | Seems like we covered it all then. Ending the meeting. | 12:53 |
| * ogra is happy that lool is happy :) | 12:53 | |
| lool | ^D | 12:53 |
| persia | #endmeeting | 12:53 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 06:53. | 12:54 |
| ogra | haappyness for everyone ! | 12:54 |
| persia | As a reminder, actions and minutes from the meeting will shortly appear on the agenda page: be sure to check to make sure you didn't miss anything. | 12:54 |
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| slangasek | ogra: "on that" - I'm not doing anything with eeepc hotkeys besides ripping out redundant code from acpi-support; I thought I've seen some bug reports that there's an asus acpi kernel driver needed? | 15:51 |
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| ogra | slangasek, well, all apart from sleep seems to work | 16:42 |
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| * ogra grins at popey ... "desktop furniture" heh | 22:09 | |
| popey | :) | 22:11 |
| popey | ogra: in britain street lights are called "street furniture" by the local council.. "desktop furniture" seemed appropriate | 22:12 |
| ogra | heh, funny, i aways thought that only applies to houses and flats | 22:13 |
| popey | yeah, odd | 22:13 |
| popey | i had a car accident once and knocked over a lamppost, council billed me for "reconstruction of street furniture", I had to call them to ask what it was! | 22:13 |
| ogra | *grin* | 22:13 |
| ogra | english is a funny language ... | 22:14 |
| popey | :) | 22:14 |
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