[12:01] <lool> oy
[12:01] <lool> persia: ?
[12:02] <persia> heh.
[12:02] <persia> #startmeeting
[12:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 06:02. The chair is persia.
[12:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[12:02] <persia> So, welcome to the Mobile Team meeting
[12:03] <persia> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090212
[12:03]  * ogra meeps
[12:03] <lool> StevenK: Around?
[12:03] <StevenK> I might be
[12:04] <davidm> I'm here
[12:04] <persia> First up: action items from the last meeting
[12:04] <davidm> thanks persa
[12:04] <persia> [topic] persia to get initial results from mobile-setup-wizard (co)
[12:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to get initial results from mobile-setup-wizard (co)
[12:04] <davidm> s/persa/persia/
[12:04] <persia> Well, it runs, but we probably have to tune some things.  I need to file some bugs about this, and update the spec.
[12:05] <persia> [action] persia to file bugs to fix mobile-setup-wizard issues
[12:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to file bugs to fix mobile-setup-wizard issues
[12:05] <ogra> no NCommander ?
[12:05] <persia> NCommander seems missing, so we'll carry those over
[12:05] <persia> [topic] persia to request conclusions from application research delegates for mobile-applications (co)
[12:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to request conclusions from application research delegates for mobile-applications (co)
[12:06] <persia> So, I poked you each individually, and I've not seen any updates.  Given that we're a week before FF, I'm convinced nobody is testing anything.
[12:06] <persia> Did anyone test their apps?
[12:06] <lool> I wasn't poked, but I didn't have any update
[12:06] <lool> I didn't take anytime to test anything indeed
[12:07]  * ogra was more busy researching the d-i breakages on nslu2 which has higher prio for me atm
[12:07] <ogra> so i didnt do any research either
[12:07] <persia> So, shall we defer the mobile applications review until jaunty+1 ?
[12:07] <davidm> Yes
[12:08] <ogra> well, at least to post FF
[12:08] <persia> OK.
[12:08] <persia> [topic] davidm to target mid-screen-rotation for A5
[12:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  davidm to target mid-screen-rotation for A5
[12:08] <ogra> FF is somewhat threatening
[12:08] <lool> Yes
[12:08] <ogra> that was marked obsolete
[12:08] <persia> What replaces it?
[12:08] <davidm> Yes, it's priority is very very low
[12:08] <ogra> though i think we could nearly go with what is in gnome atm
[12:08] <lool> davidm: You have updated a bunch of specs, how did you decide to obsolete some?
[12:09] <ogra> the new gnome rotation applet is pretty neat and would work with small modifications in MID
[12:09] <davidm> Based on the hardware platform is changing next cycle and it makes no sense to address a platform that will disapear
[12:10] <davidm> ogra, if you have time great but it's priority is low low
[12:10] <ogra> well, MID is a desktop flavour
[12:10] <ogra> not really related to HW on the top level
[12:10] <persia> MID ought be hardware independent, really.
[12:10] <ogra> but i agree we should not care to much this round
[12:10] <lool> I think davidm might be hinting that we're targetting netbooks before MIDs this cycle
[12:10] <ogra> right
[12:11] <davidm> Yes, netbooks critical to address, MID much less so.
[12:11] <lool> davidm: perhaps you should update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap to not list the specs you obsoleted?
[12:12] <persia> Or superceded.
[12:12] <davidm> And with acceleromitors coming out very cheap next cycle an on-screen applet is even lower in priority
[12:12] <davidm> lool, will do
[12:12] <persia> [action] davidm to update roadmap to reflect specs targeted for jaunty
[12:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  davidm to update roadmap to reflect specs targeted for jaunty
[12:12] <persia> OK.  Moving on...
[12:13] <persia> [topic] davidm to explore eee PC WiFi with pgraner this week
[12:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  davidm to explore eee PC WiFi with pgraner this week
[12:13] <davidm> I've done so,  the eee PC that I have and it seems most eeePC's have is ATH5K
[12:13] <davidm> it's beeing looked at
[12:13] <persia> Great.
[12:13] <ogra> right, only the really new ones have the realtek
[12:13] <lool> davidm: It should wokr OOB in jaunty
[12:14] <davidm> My eee PC works but loses it's mind every once in a while
[12:14] <persia> Next up is Roadmap.  I'll preview and skip those that are obsolete or superseded
[12:14] <lool> davidm: And it should work with the backports-module package in intrepid, or with the proprietary module in plain intrepid (except it wont suspend/resume properly)
[12:14] <davidm> lool, agreed, it's a top priority for kernel team
[12:14] <lool> davidm: I mean, I'm saying this should be the case TTBOMK
[12:14] <lool> +already
[12:15] <lool> See lp #275692
[12:15] <ogra> yes, we tested it in intrepid on the Q1 ... but there might be other chipsets in the eee
[12:15] <lool> I tested the hotkeys under UNR myself during FOSDEM, and all were working except the sleep one
[12:15] <lool> ogra: I tested on an eeepc
[12:15] <ogra> i thik slangasek is on that
[12:15] <ogra> oh, you had an eee in intrepid ?
[12:16] <ogra> i didnt know that
[12:16] <lool> Yes, at FOSDEM
[12:16] <ogra> ah
[12:16] <lool> I don't have one, just grabbed the one on the Ubuntu stand
[12:16] <lool> Anyway, topic closed
[12:16] <ogra> i was thinking during develpment
[12:16] <persia> So, moving on...
[12:16] <persia> [topic] ogra: offline-installer
[12:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra: offline-installer
[12:16] <ogra> started hacking on a script, but not much progress due to d-i oddities with the slug
[12:17] <ogra> i hope to have something uploadable on the weekend
[12:17] <persia> [topic] StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty
[12:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty
[12:17] <ogra> though i dont know how important the spec still is
[12:17] <ogra> we have no kernels that could be used at all
[12:17] <persia> It's still "Approved"
[12:17] <StevenK> Hmmm?
[12:17] <ogra> and the slug wont run a desktop session
[12:18] <ogra> davidm, ^^^?
[12:18] <StevenK> Is it Good Progress or something else?
[12:18] <persia> Err.  untopic, since this seems to require discussion.
[12:18] <ogra> right
[12:18] <persia> [topic] ogra: offline-installer
[12:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra: offline-installer
[12:18] <ogra> i'm not sure what to build here without having any arm kernels
[12:19] <ogra> whoops, sotty i mixed the spec with selection-of-arm-images
[12:19] <ogra> *sorry even
[12:20] <persia> OK.  Then for offline-installer ?
[12:20] <ogra> i started looking at vm-builder and beyond that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch seems to be widely used already
[12:21] <ogra> jerone started sending fixes and to make changes to the wikipages
[12:21] <ogra> *page
[12:21] <persia> Are you planning to get a new package in pre-FF to handle this, or does it not need that?
[12:21] <ogra> topic done ... will come to the kernel stuff later :)
[12:22] <ogra> i would like to have a package, but worst case the script will do as i would rather like to base a packaged thing on vm-builder and i'm not done with that yet
[12:22] <persia> Right.
[12:22] <persia> [topic] StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty
[12:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty
[12:22] <ogra> i'm also not sure how much time the slug will still take
[12:22] <ogra> which constraints my time pre FF massively as it has to be ready for A5
[12:22] <StevenK> Right, so what the Status of UNRJaunty?
[12:23] <persia> "Good Progress".
[12:23] <StevenK> It's still that
[12:23] <ogra> implemented ?
[12:23] <ogra> :)
[12:23] <persia> RIght.
[12:23] <persia> Next up.
[12:23] <ogra> its there, we have dailies ...
[12:24] <StevenK> There is a whole bunch of patches in the spec too ...
[12:24] <ogra> oh, right
[12:24] <persia> [topic] ogra: selection-of-arm-images
[12:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra: selection-of-arm-images
[12:24] <ogra> well, what i said above
[12:24] <ogra> cant do much without desktop kernels
[12:24] <persia> OK.
[12:24] <ogra> and we currently dont support any arm arch that could run desktop
[12:25] <persia> That's all the specs on the roadmap that don't appear to have been obsoleted or superseded, so roadmap is complete.
[12:25] <persia> [topic] Any Other Business
[12:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[12:25] <ogra> so i would like to set it to deferred ... until we have something we can do with it
[12:25] <lool> I appended a bug to the roadmap
[12:25] <lool> I didn't have time to look into it, would be nice to research it before tomorrow (release team meeting)
[12:26] <lool> I researched on babbage and evm, it needs to be researched on rimu (porter box)
[12:26] <lool> bug #299847
[12:26] <ogra> weird
[12:26] <persia> Oh, sorry I missed that.
[12:26] <persia> [topic] bug 299847
[12:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug 299847
[12:26] <lool> Would someone have bandwidth to have a look?  whether the FTBFS can be reproduced on rimu and diagnose it a little?
[12:27] <ogra> does it need to be pre FF ?
[12:27] <lool> ogra: You think you will be done with NSLU2 today and can have a look?
[12:27] <lool> ogra: It needs to be ASAP, preferably before tomorrow
[12:27] <lool> (release team)
[12:27] <ogra> i wont be done with nslu2 today ... but i will have spare cycles waiting for kernels
[12:28] <lool> This bug is currently RC, but if you diagnose it further, we might discover it's not RC
[12:28] <lool> ogra: Mind if I assign to you?
[12:28] <ogra> fine, go ahead
[12:28] <lool> done, thanks!
[12:28] <lool> Done with this tpoic
[12:28] <persia> [topic] Any Other Business
[12:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[12:28] <lool> persia: I'd like to discuss where to track a couple of things in the ether
[12:28] <lool> One is the MID install test case
[12:28] <persia> [topic] tracking things in the ether
[12:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  tracking things in the ether
[12:28] <lool> I think you have been working on that, but we didn't track it here
[12:29] <lool> persia: Would you like to track it as an action or in the roadmap or continue tracking it outside these meetings?
[12:29] <persia> testcases will be on testcases.qa.ubuntu.com
[12:29] <lool> Good, do you want an action on this?  or a roadmap "Other item"?
[12:29] <persia> action sounds good, as I don't really want to draft a testing-mid spec.
[12:29] <lool> Ok, please action yourself :)
[12:30]  * lool hopes not to be quoted out of context
[12:30] <persia> [action] persia to post install testcases for MID and UNR
[12:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to post install testcases for MID and UNR
[12:30] <lool> thanks
[12:30] <lool> persia: Same issue with the vfp libs
[12:30] <persia> That's just a spec missing from the roadmap: I'll add it.
[12:30] <davmor2> persia: Still no solid solution at the moment for that but we are working on it
[12:30] <lool> persia: Thanks
[12:30] <persia> davmor2, Understood.  Thanks for the timely update.
[12:31] <lool> StevenK: How would you like to track Poulsbo intrepid packaging updates?
[12:31] <persia> [action] persia to put vfp spec on the roadmap.
[12:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to put vfp spec on the roadmap.
[12:31] <lool> StevenK: Should these be tracked with the spec?
[12:31] <StevenK> lool: Hmmm, we could track it.
[12:31] <StevenK> I'm still waiting for the kernel team
[12:31] <lool> StevenK: We had an UDS session and spec on it; should we add to the roadmap?
[12:32] <StevenK> And have been otherwise caught up with **********
[12:32] <lool> StevenK: Is there a bug for the addition of intrepid psb-drm to intrepid's kernel tree?
[12:33] <StevenK> lool: Nope, please file one :-P
[12:33] <lool> StevenK: Mind if I action you to do so?  You've been tracking intrepid poulsbo so far
[12:33] <lool> I prefer the same person to do it bottom up, otherwise we mix responsabilities
[12:33] <StevenK> lool: Fine
[12:34] <persia> [action] StevenK to file poulsbo packaging bugs
[12:34] <lool> If I ever need to pick it up, I'll pick up the lot   :-P
[12:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  StevenK to file poulsbo packaging bugs
[12:34] <lool> persia: Also action the roadmap addition please
[12:34] <persia> [action] persia to finish pouslbo-packaging spec draft and add to roadmap
[12:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to finish pouslbo-packaging spec draft and add to roadmap
[12:34] <lool> Thanks
[12:34] <lool> People, are there any other items you're working on for jaunty/ubuntu which aren't tracked in the roadmap/these meetings?
[12:35] <lool> e.g. NSLU2 d-i, or armel ftbfs, or image builds.... no idea
[12:35] <lool> ogra: Anything from you?
[12:35] <lool> persia, StevenK: did I forget any?
[12:35] <ogra> nslu2 mainly
[12:35] <lool> ogra: Should we track that as a bug?  As an "other item" on the roadmap?
[12:35] <ogra> but i'm waiting on all the bits and pieces to appear in the archive atm
[12:36] <ogra> "other item" is fine ...
[12:36] <ogra> not a bug
[12:36] <lool> ogra: I think we have a bug on the nslu2 not booting, right?
[12:36] <ogra> i dont think so, but i can go digging after the meeting
[12:36] <StevenK> lool: I don't think so
[12:36] <persia> [action] ogra to add nslu2 enablement to the Roadmap
[12:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to add nslu2 enablement to the Roadmap
[12:36] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/322217
[12:36] <ogra> ah, gracias
[12:37] <lool> ogra: Mind updating this bug with an apex task and assign you to it?
[12:37]  * ogra subscribes
[12:37] <lool> I think you had in your plans to fix apex soon anyway
[12:37] <ogra> its uploaded since 2h
[12:37] <ogra> not the final fix but the workaround that will make it work with next d-i
[12:38] <ogra> as soon as the kernel is there i'll know more
[12:38] <lool> I added the bug to the RM
[12:38] <ogra> ok
[12:38] <ogra> status high or critical ?
[12:38] <lool> persia: I'll check for possible additions with NCommander
[12:38] <ogra> err importance
[12:38] <lool> davidm: Anything from you?
[12:38] <lool> ogra: High
[12:39] <persia> [action] lool to follow up with NCommander to further extend the roadmap
[12:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to follow up with NCommander to further extend the roadmap
[12:39] <lool> persia: Thanks; I'm done
[12:39] <persia> [topic] Any Other Business
[12:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[12:39] <lool> actually I didn't update my specs?
[12:39] <davidm> MOstly from me is meetings, there may be more ARM hardware soonish, will know by feature freezed
[12:39] <lool> A couple were deprecated, but here are my updates:
[12:40] <lool> mid-display-manager: No update
[12:40] <lool> lpia-versus-i386: Some progress; plan is clear now; need to catch infinity to implement changes before jaunty+1
[12:40] <davidm> I'm just back from sprinting
[12:40] <lool> recovery-partition: No update
[12:40] <lool> lpia-versus-i386 saw progress over the sprint thanks to Colin and Matthias
[12:40] <persia> lool, All those were obsolete or superseded, from my quick look.  Did I miss something?
[12:40] <lool> persia: I think lpia is still on track
[12:40] <ogra> davidm, is there any more HW among that that might add FF exceptions ?
[12:40] <davidm> Nope, I can't see anyone else making it in, in time.
[12:40] <ogra> (if you only know by FF ... sounds worrying)
[12:41] <persia> lool, Oh, sorry.  I usually consider Approved/Informational to be complete.
[12:41] <ogra> good
[12:41] <lool> persia: Yeah well this one is weird
[12:41] <lool> persia: suggestions to fix it welcome
[12:41] <davidm> The problem is that OEM and others within the company need them to make it but ack that they must at least meet FF
[12:41] <lool> The actions would now be on infinity's side
[12:41] <persia> Maybe remove the informational flag?
[12:42] <persia> Generally "Informational" specs don't require implementation.
[12:42] <lool> persia: Changed to needs infrastructure
[12:42] <persia> Right.  Needs an assignee as well, if something is to be done.
[12:42] <lool> Oh actually I have one more thing
[12:42] <lool> I had to check whether a bug was fixed on my jax10 for the kernel team
[12:42] <lool> But I don't have it anymore
[12:43] <davidm> Someone with a JAX10 will need to pick up this testing
[12:43] <ogra> the jax or the bug ?
[12:43] <persia> What's the bug number?
[12:43] <davidm> ogra, the JAX
[12:43] <ogra> oh
[12:43] <lool> I'm afraid I need help from someone with a jax10; basically the goal is to check two things: a) whether jaunty kernels for i386 and lpia properly see 2 SSD drives of 2GB on the jax10 and b) whether UDMA 5 is selected on boot (just attach dmesg to the boot)
[12:43] <persia> Right.
[12:44] <lool> Bug 280669
[12:44] <persia> [topic] bug #280669
[12:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #280669
[12:44] <lool> If the UDMA5 isn't selected, you want to test the linux-lpia in apw's PPA (as noted in the bug)
[12:44] <persia> Who volunteers to verify?
[12:45] <davidm> Who has jax10's right now?
[12:45] <davidm> I don't
[12:45] <StevenK> I do
[12:45]  * ogra but is already drowning ... i'D really prefer to not do additional pre FF tasks
[12:45] <lool> ogra and ncommander as well I think
[12:46] <lool> ogra: it's less urgent
[12:46] <lool> I guess I can ask NCommander
[12:46] <davidm> StevenK, can you flash image and test?
[12:46] <ogra> ah, cool
[12:46] <davidm> Or NCommander
[12:46] <lool> persia: Action me to tell ncommander to look into this
[12:46] <davidm> ogra, you have a lot on your plate now
[12:46] <persia> [action] NCommander to test fix for 280699
[12:46] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to test fix for 280699
[12:46] <ogra> yes
[12:46] <lool> As he's not around and I don't want him to discover he's an assignee overnight :)
[12:46] <persia> [action] lool to remind NCommander of previous action
[12:46] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to remind NCommander of previous action
[12:46] <StevenK> davidm: My Jax is already running alpha-4, it saw it at least
[12:47] <ogra> davidm, and the nslu isnt really making it easier ... one install takes 8h !
[12:47] <davidm> OK
[12:47] <lool> Any other business?
[12:47] <davidm> ogra, ouch
[12:47] <ogra> (thats for a minimal commandline system)
[12:47] <davidm> lool, yes
[12:48] <davidm> We need to finish spec definition several are still in drafting
[12:48] <davidm> really need to finish that phase
[12:48] <persia> [topic] Finish specs definition
[12:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Finish specs definition
[12:48] <lool> davidm: Do you have a list of specs?
[12:48] <lool> I think we should subscribe ubuntu-mobile to all specs if that's not the case to have a good list of specs on bp.lp.net/~u-m
[12:48] <ogra> which ones are still drafting ?
[12:49]  * ogra is sure his paperwork is done 
[12:49] <persia> I just got the list.  Actioning those that need drafting
[12:49] <persia> [action] persia to finish drafting arm-library-optimisation
[12:49] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to finish drafting arm-library-optimisation
[12:49] <davidm> poulsbo-packaging ARM Softboot Loader ARM library optimization  mobile spec cleanup
[12:49] <ogra> arm-softboot-loader is deferred, no ?
[12:49] <persia> [action] persia to finish drafting poulsbo-packaging
[12:49] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to finish drafting poulsbo-packaging
[12:50] <persia> [action] NCommander to finish drafting arm-softboot-loader
[12:50] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to finish drafting arm-softboot-loader
[12:50] <lool> mobile spec cleanup needs to be cleaned up: too many level of recursion
[12:50] <ogra> it needs new research
[12:50] <persia> ogra, No, blocked.
[12:50] <davidm> ogra, the spec should be finished as it might suddenly get undefered
[12:50] <ogra> it isnt researched properly yet
[12:50] <persia> That's what Drafting (Needs Guidance) means :)
[12:50] <ogra> there are a ton of existing implementations that werent taken into account
[12:50] <davidm> persia, yes you are correct it's blocked but might become unblocked
[12:50] <lool> persia: We already have an action earlier on StevenK for poulsbo-packaging; who is it who will complete it: you or StevenK ?
[12:51] <StevenK> persia said he would
[12:51] <persia> lool, StevenK does it, and I write down what he's doing.
[12:51] <lool> Erf ok, whatever works for you two :)
[12:52] <persia> OK.  Anything else for this topic?
[12:52] <davidm> Nope
[12:52] <persia> [topic] Any Other Business
[12:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[12:53] <lool> I'm happy
[12:53] <persia> Seems like we covered it all then.  Ending the meeting.
[12:53]  * ogra is happy that lool is happy :)
[12:53] <lool> ^D
[12:53] <persia> #endmeeting
[12:54] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:53.
[12:54] <ogra> haappyness for everyone !
[12:54] <persia> As a reminder, actions and minutes from the meeting will shortly appear on the agenda page: be sure to check to make sure you didn't miss anything.
[15:51] <slangasek> ogra: "on that" - I'm not doing anything with eeepc hotkeys besides ripping out redundant code from acpi-support; I thought I've seen some bug reports that there's an asus acpi kernel driver needed?
[16:42] <ogra> slangasek, well, all apart from sleep seems to work
[22:09]  * ogra grins at popey ... "desktop furniture" heh
[22:11] <popey> :)
[22:12] <popey> ogra: in britain street lights are called "street furniture" by the local council.. "desktop furniture" seemed appropriate
[22:13] <ogra> heh, funny, i aways thought that only applies to houses and flats
[22:13] <popey> yeah, odd
[22:13] <popey> i had a car accident once and knocked over a lamppost, council billed me for "reconstruction of street furniture", I had to call them to ask what it was!
[22:13] <ogra> *grin*
[22:14] <ogra> english is a funny language ...
[22:14] <popey> :)