=== cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [12:01] oy [12:01] persia: ? [12:02] heh. [12:02] #startmeeting [12:02] Meeting started at 06:02. The chair is persia. [12:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [12:02] So, welcome to the Mobile Team meeting [12:03] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090212 [12:03] * ogra meeps [12:03] StevenK: Around? [12:03] I might be [12:04] I'm here [12:04] First up: action items from the last meeting [12:04] thanks persa [12:04] [topic] persia to get initial results from mobile-setup-wizard (co) [12:04] New Topic: persia to get initial results from mobile-setup-wizard (co) [12:04] s/persa/persia/ [12:04] Well, it runs, but we probably have to tune some things. I need to file some bugs about this, and update the spec. [12:05] [action] persia to file bugs to fix mobile-setup-wizard issues [12:05] ACTION received: persia to file bugs to fix mobile-setup-wizard issues [12:05] no NCommander ? [12:05] NCommander seems missing, so we'll carry those over [12:05] [topic] persia to request conclusions from application research delegates for mobile-applications (co) [12:05] New Topic: persia to request conclusions from application research delegates for mobile-applications (co) [12:06] So, I poked you each individually, and I've not seen any updates. Given that we're a week before FF, I'm convinced nobody is testing anything. [12:06] Did anyone test their apps? [12:06] I wasn't poked, but I didn't have any update [12:06] I didn't take anytime to test anything indeed [12:07] * ogra was more busy researching the d-i breakages on nslu2 which has higher prio for me atm [12:07] so i didnt do any research either [12:07] So, shall we defer the mobile applications review until jaunty+1 ? [12:07] Yes [12:08] well, at least to post FF [12:08] OK. [12:08] [topic] davidm to target mid-screen-rotation for A5 [12:08] New Topic: davidm to target mid-screen-rotation for A5 [12:08] FF is somewhat threatening [12:08] Yes [12:08] that was marked obsolete [12:08] What replaces it? [12:08] Yes, it's priority is very very low [12:08] though i think we could nearly go with what is in gnome atm [12:08] davidm: You have updated a bunch of specs, how did you decide to obsolete some? [12:09] the new gnome rotation applet is pretty neat and would work with small modifications in MID [12:09] Based on the hardware platform is changing next cycle and it makes no sense to address a platform that will disapear [12:10] ogra, if you have time great but it's priority is low low [12:10] well, MID is a desktop flavour [12:10] not really related to HW on the top level [12:10] MID ought be hardware independent, really. [12:10] but i agree we should not care to much this round [12:10] I think davidm might be hinting that we're targetting netbooks before MIDs this cycle [12:10] right [12:11] Yes, netbooks critical to address, MID much less so. [12:11] davidm: perhaps you should update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap to not list the specs you obsoleted? [12:12] Or superceded. [12:12] And with acceleromitors coming out very cheap next cycle an on-screen applet is even lower in priority [12:12] lool, will do [12:12] [action] davidm to update roadmap to reflect specs targeted for jaunty [12:12] ACTION received: davidm to update roadmap to reflect specs targeted for jaunty [12:12] OK. Moving on... [12:13] [topic] davidm to explore eee PC WiFi with pgraner this week [12:13] New Topic: davidm to explore eee PC WiFi with pgraner this week [12:13] I've done so, the eee PC that I have and it seems most eeePC's have is ATH5K [12:13] it's beeing looked at [12:13] Great. [12:13] right, only the really new ones have the realtek [12:13] davidm: It should wokr OOB in jaunty [12:14] My eee PC works but loses it's mind every once in a while [12:14] Next up is Roadmap. I'll preview and skip those that are obsolete or superseded [12:14] davidm: And it should work with the backports-module package in intrepid, or with the proprietary module in plain intrepid (except it wont suspend/resume properly) [12:14] lool, agreed, it's a top priority for kernel team [12:14] davidm: I mean, I'm saying this should be the case TTBOMK [12:14] +already [12:15] See lp #275692 [12:15] Launchpad bug 275692 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.27 "ath_pci must be reloaded after resume" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275692 [12:15] yes, we tested it in intrepid on the Q1 ... but there might be other chipsets in the eee [12:15] I tested the hotkeys under UNR myself during FOSDEM, and all were working except the sleep one [12:15] ogra: I tested on an eeepc [12:15] i thik slangasek is on that [12:15] oh, you had an eee in intrepid ? [12:16] i didnt know that [12:16] Yes, at FOSDEM [12:16] ah [12:16] I don't have one, just grabbed the one on the Ubuntu stand [12:16] Anyway, topic closed [12:16] i was thinking during develpment [12:16] So, moving on... [12:16] [topic] ogra: offline-installer [12:16] New Topic: ogra: offline-installer [12:16] started hacking on a script, but not much progress due to d-i oddities with the slug [12:17] i hope to have something uploadable on the weekend [12:17] [topic] StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty [12:17] New Topic: StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty [12:17] though i dont know how important the spec still is [12:17] we have no kernels that could be used at all [12:17] It's still "Approved" [12:17] Hmmm? [12:17] and the slug wont run a desktop session [12:18] davidm, ^^^? [12:18] Is it Good Progress or something else? [12:18] Err. untopic, since this seems to require discussion. [12:18] right [12:18] [topic] ogra: offline-installer [12:18] New Topic: ogra: offline-installer [12:18] i'm not sure what to build here without having any arm kernels [12:19] whoops, sotty i mixed the spec with selection-of-arm-images [12:19] *sorry even [12:20] OK. Then for offline-installer ? [12:20] i started looking at vm-builder and beyond that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch seems to be widely used already [12:21] jerone started sending fixes and to make changes to the wikipages [12:21] *page [12:21] Are you planning to get a new package in pre-FF to handle this, or does it not need that? [12:21] topic done ... will come to the kernel stuff later :) [12:22] i would like to have a package, but worst case the script will do as i would rather like to base a packaged thing on vm-builder and i'm not done with that yet [12:22] Right. [12:22] [topic] StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty [12:22] New Topic: StevenK: unr-handling-jaunty [12:22] i'm also not sure how much time the slug will still take [12:22] which constraints my time pre FF massively as it has to be ready for A5 [12:22] Right, so what the Status of UNRJaunty? [12:23] "Good Progress". [12:23] It's still that [12:23] implemented ? [12:23] :) [12:23] RIght. [12:23] Next up. [12:23] its there, we have dailies ... [12:24] There is a whole bunch of patches in the spec too ... [12:24] oh, right [12:24] [topic] ogra: selection-of-arm-images [12:24] New Topic: ogra: selection-of-arm-images [12:24] well, what i said above [12:24] cant do much without desktop kernels [12:24] OK. [12:24] and we currently dont support any arm arch that could run desktop [12:25] That's all the specs on the roadmap that don't appear to have been obsoleted or superseded, so roadmap is complete. [12:25] [topic] Any Other Business [12:25] New Topic: Any Other Business [12:25] so i would like to set it to deferred ... until we have something we can do with it [12:25] I appended a bug to the roadmap [12:25] I didn't have time to look into it, would be nice to research it before tomorrow (release team meeting) [12:26] I researched on babbage and evm, it needs to be researched on rimu (porter box) [12:26] bug #299847 [12:26] weird [12:26] Oh, sorry I missed that. [12:26] Launchpad bug 299847 in libipc-sharelite-perl "armel build failure (without ignoring testsuite results)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299847 [12:26] [topic] bug 299847 [12:26] New Topic: bug 299847 [12:26] Would someone have bandwidth to have a look? whether the FTBFS can be reproduced on rimu and diagnose it a little? [12:27] does it need to be pre FF ? [12:27] ogra: You think you will be done with NSLU2 today and can have a look? [12:27] ogra: It needs to be ASAP, preferably before tomorrow [12:27] (release team) [12:27] i wont be done with nslu2 today ... but i will have spare cycles waiting for kernels [12:28] This bug is currently RC, but if you diagnose it further, we might discover it's not RC [12:28] ogra: Mind if I assign to you? [12:28] fine, go ahead [12:28] done, thanks! [12:28] Done with this tpoic [12:28] [topic] Any Other Business [12:28] New Topic: Any Other Business [12:28] persia: I'd like to discuss where to track a couple of things in the ether [12:28] One is the MID install test case [12:28] [topic] tracking things in the ether [12:28] New Topic: tracking things in the ether [12:28] I think you have been working on that, but we didn't track it here [12:29] persia: Would you like to track it as an action or in the roadmap or continue tracking it outside these meetings? [12:29] testcases will be on testcases.qa.ubuntu.com [12:29] Good, do you want an action on this? or a roadmap "Other item"? [12:29] action sounds good, as I don't really want to draft a testing-mid spec. [12:29] Ok, please action yourself :) [12:30] * lool hopes not to be quoted out of context [12:30] [action] persia to post install testcases for MID and UNR [12:30] ACTION received: persia to post install testcases for MID and UNR [12:30] thanks [12:30] persia: Same issue with the vfp libs [12:30] That's just a spec missing from the roadmap: I'll add it. [12:30] persia: Still no solid solution at the moment for that but we are working on it [12:30] persia: Thanks [12:30] davmor2, Understood. Thanks for the timely update. [12:31] StevenK: How would you like to track Poulsbo intrepid packaging updates? [12:31] [action] persia to put vfp spec on the roadmap. [12:31] ACTION received: persia to put vfp spec on the roadmap. [12:31] StevenK: Should these be tracked with the spec? [12:31] lool: Hmmm, we could track it. [12:31] I'm still waiting for the kernel team [12:31] StevenK: We had an UDS session and spec on it; should we add to the roadmap? [12:32] And have been otherwise caught up with ********** [12:32] StevenK: Is there a bug for the addition of intrepid psb-drm to intrepid's kernel tree? [12:33] lool: Nope, please file one :-P [12:33] StevenK: Mind if I action you to do so? You've been tracking intrepid poulsbo so far [12:33] I prefer the same person to do it bottom up, otherwise we mix responsabilities [12:33] lool: Fine [12:34] [action] StevenK to file poulsbo packaging bugs [12:34] If I ever need to pick it up, I'll pick up the lot :-P [12:34] ACTION received: StevenK to file poulsbo packaging bugs [12:34] persia: Also action the roadmap addition please [12:34] [action] persia to finish pouslbo-packaging spec draft and add to roadmap [12:34] ACTION received: persia to finish pouslbo-packaging spec draft and add to roadmap [12:34] Thanks [12:34] People, are there any other items you're working on for jaunty/ubuntu which aren't tracked in the roadmap/these meetings? [12:35] e.g. NSLU2 d-i, or armel ftbfs, or image builds.... no idea [12:35] ogra: Anything from you? [12:35] persia, StevenK: did I forget any? [12:35] nslu2 mainly [12:35] ogra: Should we track that as a bug? As an "other item" on the roadmap? [12:35] but i'm waiting on all the bits and pieces to appear in the archive atm [12:36] "other item" is fine ... [12:36] not a bug [12:36] ogra: I think we have a bug on the nslu2 not booting, right? [12:36] i dont think so, but i can go digging after the meeting [12:36] lool: I don't think so [12:36] [action] ogra to add nslu2 enablement to the Roadmap [12:36] ACTION received: ogra to add nslu2 enablement to the Roadmap [12:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/322217 [12:36] Ubuntu bug 322217 in debian-installer "ixp4xx image does not boot" [Undecided,New] [12:36] ah, gracias [12:37] ogra: Mind updating this bug with an apex task and assign you to it? [12:37] * ogra subscribes [12:37] I think you had in your plans to fix apex soon anyway [12:37] its uploaded since 2h [12:37] not the final fix but the workaround that will make it work with next d-i [12:38] as soon as the kernel is there i'll know more [12:38] I added the bug to the RM [12:38] ok [12:38] status high or critical ? [12:38] persia: I'll check for possible additions with NCommander [12:38] err importance [12:38] davidm: Anything from you? [12:38] ogra: High [12:39] [action] lool to follow up with NCommander to further extend the roadmap [12:39] ACTION received: lool to follow up with NCommander to further extend the roadmap [12:39] persia: Thanks; I'm done [12:39] [topic] Any Other Business [12:39] New Topic: Any Other Business [12:39] actually I didn't update my specs? [12:39] MOstly from me is meetings, there may be more ARM hardware soonish, will know by feature freezed [12:39] A couple were deprecated, but here are my updates: [12:40] mid-display-manager: No update [12:40] lpia-versus-i386: Some progress; plan is clear now; need to catch infinity to implement changes before jaunty+1 [12:40] I'm just back from sprinting [12:40] recovery-partition: No update [12:40] lpia-versus-i386 saw progress over the sprint thanks to Colin and Matthias [12:40] lool, All those were obsolete or superseded, from my quick look. Did I miss something? [12:40] persia: I think lpia is still on track [12:40] davidm, is there any more HW among that that might add FF exceptions ? [12:40] Nope, I can't see anyone else making it in, in time. [12:40] (if you only know by FF ... sounds worrying) [12:41] lool, Oh, sorry. I usually consider Approved/Informational to be complete. [12:41] good [12:41] persia: Yeah well this one is weird [12:41] persia: suggestions to fix it welcome [12:41] The problem is that OEM and others within the company need them to make it but ack that they must at least meet FF [12:41] The actions would now be on infinity's side [12:41] Maybe remove the informational flag? [12:42] Generally "Informational" specs don't require implementation. [12:42] persia: Changed to needs infrastructure [12:42] Right. Needs an assignee as well, if something is to be done. [12:42] Oh actually I have one more thing [12:42] I had to check whether a bug was fixed on my jax10 for the kernel team [12:42] But I don't have it anymore [12:43] Someone with a JAX10 will need to pick up this testing [12:43] the jax or the bug ? [12:43] What's the bug number? [12:43] ogra, the JAX [12:43] oh [12:43] I'm afraid I need help from someone with a jax10; basically the goal is to check two things: a) whether jaunty kernels for i386 and lpia properly see 2 SSD drives of 2GB on the jax10 and b) whether UDMA 5 is selected on boot (just attach dmesg to the boot) [12:43] Right. [12:44] Bug 280669 [12:44] Launchpad bug 280669 in linux "Doesn't detect second part of SSD drive on jax10" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280669 [12:44] [topic] bug #280669 [12:44] New Topic: bug #280669 [12:44] If the UDMA5 isn't selected, you want to test the linux-lpia in apw's PPA (as noted in the bug) [12:44] Who volunteers to verify? [12:45] Who has jax10's right now? [12:45] I don't [12:45] I do [12:45] * ogra but is already drowning ... i'D really prefer to not do additional pre FF tasks [12:45] ogra and ncommander as well I think [12:46] ogra: it's less urgent [12:46] I guess I can ask NCommander [12:46] StevenK, can you flash image and test? [12:46] ah, cool [12:46] Or NCommander [12:46] persia: Action me to tell ncommander to look into this [12:46] ogra, you have a lot on your plate now [12:46] [action] NCommander to test fix for 280699 [12:46] ACTION received: NCommander to test fix for 280699 [12:46] yes [12:46] As he's not around and I don't want him to discover he's an assignee overnight :) [12:46] [action] lool to remind NCommander of previous action [12:46] ACTION received: lool to remind NCommander of previous action [12:46] davidm: My Jax is already running alpha-4, it saw it at least [12:47] davidm, and the nslu isnt really making it easier ... one install takes 8h ! [12:47] OK [12:47] Any other business? [12:47] ogra, ouch [12:47] (thats for a minimal commandline system) [12:47] lool, yes [12:48] We need to finish spec definition several are still in drafting [12:48] really need to finish that phase [12:48] [topic] Finish specs definition [12:48] New Topic: Finish specs definition [12:48] davidm: Do you have a list of specs? [12:48] I think we should subscribe ubuntu-mobile to all specs if that's not the case to have a good list of specs on bp.lp.net/~u-m [12:48] which ones are still drafting ? [12:49] * ogra is sure his paperwork is done [12:49] I just got the list. Actioning those that need drafting [12:49] [action] persia to finish drafting arm-library-optimisation [12:49] ACTION received: persia to finish drafting arm-library-optimisation [12:49] poulsbo-packaging ARM Softboot Loader ARM library optimization mobile spec cleanup [12:49] arm-softboot-loader is deferred, no ? [12:49] [action] persia to finish drafting poulsbo-packaging [12:49] ACTION received: persia to finish drafting poulsbo-packaging [12:50] [action] NCommander to finish drafting arm-softboot-loader [12:50] ACTION received: NCommander to finish drafting arm-softboot-loader [12:50] mobile spec cleanup needs to be cleaned up: too many level of recursion [12:50] it needs new research [12:50] ogra, No, blocked. [12:50] ogra, the spec should be finished as it might suddenly get undefered [12:50] it isnt researched properly yet [12:50] That's what Drafting (Needs Guidance) means :) [12:50] there are a ton of existing implementations that werent taken into account [12:50] persia, yes you are correct it's blocked but might become unblocked [12:50] persia: We already have an action earlier on StevenK for poulsbo-packaging; who is it who will complete it: you or StevenK ? [12:51] persia said he would [12:51] lool, StevenK does it, and I write down what he's doing. [12:51] Erf ok, whatever works for you two :) [12:52] OK. Anything else for this topic? [12:52] Nope [12:52] [topic] Any Other Business [12:52] New Topic: Any Other Business [12:53] I'm happy [12:53] Seems like we covered it all then. Ending the meeting. [12:53] * ogra is happy that lool is happy :) [12:53] ^D [12:53] #endmeeting [12:54] Meeting finished at 06:53. [12:54] haappyness for everyone ! [12:54] As a reminder, actions and minutes from the meeting will shortly appear on the agenda page: be sure to check to make sure you didn't miss anything. === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [15:51] ogra: "on that" - I'm not doing anything with eeepc hotkeys besides ripping out redundant code from acpi-support; I thought I've seen some bug reports that there's an asus acpi kernel driver needed? === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [16:42] slangasek, well, all apart from sleep seems to work === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === asac_ is now known as asac === asac_ is now known as asac === keffie_jayx is now known as effie_jayx === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [22:09] * ogra grins at popey ... "desktop furniture" heh [22:11] :) [22:12] ogra: in britain street lights are called "street furniture" by the local council.. "desktop furniture" seemed appropriate [22:13] heh, funny, i aways thought that only applies to houses and flats [22:13] yeah, odd [22:13] i had a car accident once and knocked over a lamppost, council billed me for "reconstruction of street furniture", I had to call them to ask what it was! [22:13] *grin* [22:14] english is a funny language ... [22:14] :)