[00:17] <VK7HSE> ivoks: No as it wouldn't find the raid serveraid card!
[00:38]  * twb is extremely Not A Fan of hardware raid.
[00:39] <twb> It's like an RDBMS: sometimes you gotta use it, but no matter what it's gonna hurt.
[01:40] <steeljim> can someone help assist in setting up a windows share drive
[01:41] <steeljim> just installed 8.10 and samba
[01:41] <steeljim> did fdisk -l command and the drive is /dev/sda5
[01:41] <twb> Try #samba?
[01:41] <twb> That is, if nobody responds here.
[01:41] <twb> (I don't know about Samba.)
[01:42] <steeljim> however it looks as if drives are duplicated
[01:42] <steeljim> I have sda1 ,2,5,6,7,8
[01:44] <steeljim> anyone?
[01:48] <steeljim> what are your first steps in sharing a drive?
[01:49] <ScottK> This channel is typically very quiet outside of the US/European business day.
[01:53] <steeljim> scott you any good with 8.10 setups?
[01:58] <ScottK> Not with Samba and Windows shares, no.
[02:19] <twb> If it's anything like NFS, you'll need to add an export stanza [foo] to /etc/samba/smb.conf and mention at least the path being exported, and the hosts to which it is exported.
[02:19] <twb> Samba is made excitingly annoying by needing a login account on the server for every machine that wants to mount the share, IIRC.
[02:19] <twb> I don't know if that's handled automagically; I imagine it is *if* you're using the default files/compat auth method (as opposed to, say, LDAP).
[02:42] <cameronh> i've been doing some testing of various apps.. is there any way to clean up /etc of config files for things which are no longer installed?
[02:46] <ScottK> cameronh: Purge them when you remove them and don't just remove them is the way.
[02:47] <cameronh> ScottK: noted :) given that i've already made the mistake, do i have to reinstall the apps i didn't want to purge them?
[02:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[02:47] <hads> You can aptitude purge them
[02:47] <hads> Without reinstall
[02:47] <ScottK> OK.  I don't generally use aptitude.
[02:48] <hads> Something along the lines of aptitude purge `dpkg -l | egrep -v "^ii" | cut -f 3 -d ' '`
[02:48] <hads> But don't just run that without checking :)
[02:48] <ScottK> cameronh: Whatever you do, don't manually delete them.  That's telling dpkg you don't want those files even if the package is installed again later.
[02:49] <cameronh> hmm okay
[02:51] <cameronh> luckily it's just a test vm anyway, so i'll probably re-create it before finalising it (replacing my home network's server with ubuntu-server)
[02:51] <cameronh> is etckeeper worth using? Looks like it tracks /etc changes with git
[02:55] <ScottK> I haven't used it.  Some people really like it.
[02:56] <ScottK> It does have options for using different VCS.
[03:25] <uzair> hi all. anyone successfully seup open vpn before?
[03:25] <uzair> *setup
[03:39] <twb> 13:49 <cameronh> ScottK: noted :) given that i've already made the mistake, do i have to reinstall the apps i didn't want to purge them?
[03:39] <twb> No: sudo aptitude purge ~c
[03:39] <twb> ~c matches packages that are configured, but not installed (i.e. only their config files remain, i.e. they were removed, but not purged).
[03:40] <twb> (Patterns are one thing that makes aptitude a useful addition to apt-get.)
[03:48]  * ScottK has had aptitude decide removing half his system was the 'best' answer one to many times.
[03:53] <hads> twb: Nice, that's useful to know :)
[03:53] <twb> ScottK: that is why you don't use -y without caution :-)
[03:53] <twb> ScottK: cf. "aptitude why"
[03:54] <twb> A pattern I often use is ~i!~M, which matches packages that were explicitly installed.
[03:54] <twb> i.e. it hides packages that are needed for something else.
[03:54] <ScottK> I do use aptitude why and sometimes try it to see what it suggests, but don't generally let it actually touch the state of my system.
[04:32] <agampher> hey guys, quick question, if i wanted to burn a cd over ssh, whats the best way to go about it?
[04:32] <agampher> like, throw all the stuff in a folder, create an iso then burn it
[04:57] <sloopy> how do i install the madwifi drivers in 8.10? same way as 8.04?
[05:03] <sloopy> hmmm slow night
[05:19] <VK7HSE> steeljim: still here ???
[05:33] <roy_hobbs> Hey I just install 8.04.2 and selected LAMP during the install.  I have a blank /etc/apache2/httpd.conf file
[05:35] <hads> Normal
[05:35] <hads> ls -l /etc/apache2/
[05:36] <roy_hobbs> without the l: apache2.conf  conf.d  envvars  httpd.conf  mods-available  mods-enabled  ports.conf  sites-available  sites-enabled
[05:36] <hads> Yeah I know what's in there.
[05:36] <hads> I meant for you :)
[05:38] <roy_hobbs> Well, another problem.  Shouldn't I be able to use https by default as well?
[05:42] <hads> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[05:46] <twb> hads: is that available as an A4 PDF?
[05:46] <twb> I assume it's a debiandoc or docbook source somewhere, but I'm too lazy to build it myself :-)
[06:32] <pschulz01> Greetings.. Anyone here know how kernel headers are configured?
[06:33] <pschulz01> I was able to compile an application on my laptop whoch found headers in /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/build (just a bunch of links)
[06:33] <pschulz01> The other server that I'm trying to install the app. on doesn't have these links.
[06:34] <pschulz01> I must have done something to set this up (in the past) but I don;t know what that was.
[06:37] <genii> pschulz01: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:39] <hads> linux-headers-generic should pull it in too
[06:42] <pschulz01> genii: Did that..
[06:42] <pschulz01> genii: no dice.
[06:43] <pschulz01> So.. I have two systems.. one which have links in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build and the other doesn't.
[06:44] <pschulz01> both systems have the kernel-headers- package installed.
[06:44] <ScottK> You may want linux-source
[06:44] <pschulz01> the first is '-generic' the second is '-server'
[06:45] <sloopy> heh  i just switched to this channel, i wa just installing the kernel headers too... have to compile madwifi :'(
[06:47] <pschulz01> sloopy: Quick question then.. do you have links in your /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build directory?
[06:47] <sloopy> i will look when subversion is done installing
[06:49] <sloopy> that is a link to the /usr/src/linux-headers-{installed kernel ver}
[06:49] <sloopy> and yes in that dirs are alot of links and dirs
[06:49] <pschulz01> Ok.. ta
[06:50] <sloopy> np
[06:53] <sloopy> argh
[06:53] <sloopy> whats the package name that installs all the tools to be able to build a kernel?
[06:54] <pschulz01> build-essential
[06:54] <pschulz01> and apt-get build-dep
[06:54] <pschulz01> ?
[06:55] <pschulz01> For some reason I have to reinstall the header package and not the links are there.
[06:55] <pschulz01> Shhhesh.
[06:56] <sloopy> kernel-package
[06:58] <sloopy> heh compiling madwifi on a 800Mhz machine will probly take a bit of time...
[06:59] <pschulz01> genii: sloopy: thanks
[07:00] <sloopy> hmm how do you become a ubuntu member? its good to be part of a family ;')
[07:01] <Mal3ko> what's the quickest and efficient way to reinstall server os through remote ssh?
[07:02] <hads> You don't
[07:03] <sloopy> now to see if the madwifi drivers i just compiled work on my router...
[07:07] <sloopy> cool its working as a client, now need to config as ap
[07:07] <ScottK> Mal3ko: You also probably don't have to.
[07:08] <Mal3ko> ScottK: do you have any idea what your talking about?
[07:08] <ScottK> Mal3ko: I don't know why you think you need to reinstall.  You may actually have to, but a lot of times people reinstall for reasons that don't actually need it.
[07:08] <ScottK> Mal3ko: Why do you think you need to reinstall?
[07:10] <ScottK> Actually, I need to be up in three hours, so I think I'm off to bed.
[10:40] <dayo2> can you help me with this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/117206/
[10:43] <mok0> I just had to clean up a major mess caused by schroot's use of logical lvm volumes
[10:43] <mok0> Anyone else has experiences with that?
[11:32] <dayo2> I'm trying to keep users from accessing home dirs outside their group, but i still need them to be able to access everyone's public_html/  how do i do that?
[12:13] <tjaalton> soren: hey, you've merged multipath-tools in the past. Why did you drop dmsetup_env from it? Looks like it caused bug 320156
[12:25] <soren> tjaalton: Let me see...
[12:26] <tjaalton> soren: it's a mess
[12:26] <tjaalton> apparently our devmapper used to have a patch which was the same as others had, but now it's synced with debian
[12:27] <Rafael> hi, i would like to use command line from my windows computer to my ubuntu server, i was recomended to use "Putty"do i have to install it on ubuntu also and how do i do this?
[12:27] <tjaalton> so DM_TABLE_STATE is exported as '1' if online, not 'LIVE' as it should be
[12:27] <tjaalton> but that's not enough to make it work
[12:27] <dnperfors> Rafael: no, you don't have to install putty on ubuntu
[12:28] <dnperfors> Rafael: but you need to have OpenSSH installed
[12:28] <dnperfors> (sudo aptitude install openssh-server)
[12:28] <Rafael> how do i know if openssh is installed?
[12:29] <tjaalton> soren: I'd say we follow debian on this, and include the "temporary hacks" to multipath-tools until dmsetup is fixed
[12:29] <tjaalton> soren: I've got a blade that fails to boot because of this, so I can merge m-t...-14
[12:31] <soren> tjaalton: It's been too long since I looked at this... Our dmsetup used to do this just fine.
[12:31] <tjaalton> soren: ok, so I'll make m-t work with the current dmsetup, thanks :)
[12:32] <soren> I really hate that I don't have any hardware to test this on. I'm working in the dark here.
[12:34] <dnperfors> Rafael: not sure wheter this will work, but you can try: dpkg --get-selections | grep openssh
[12:36] <soren> tjaalton: What makes you say our devmapper is synced with debian?
[12:36] <Rafael> dnperfors: do i have to do any configuration or just install it, then use putty?
[12:37] <soren> tjaalton: I mean... any more than it used to be?
[12:37] <tjaalton> soren: because the merge entry doesn't say about any changes to the export patch
[12:37] <tjaalton> and the debian bugreports suggest that it was more like what suse has
[12:38] <tjaalton> but I'll try it out and see if it manages to boot this time
[12:44] <Rafael> ok i was abler to connect with Putty, question, when you open Putty are you suppose each time to use it are your suppor to "Run" it as if is a new install program?
[12:45] <nijaba> kirkland: I did take a look at the resize issue: I can't find a way to fix this
[12:46] <kirkland> nijaba: okay, i'm not that worried about it
[12:46] <nijaba> kirkland: do you know a snack expert?
[12:46] <nijaba> kirkland: cjwatson maybe?
[12:47] <kirkland> nijaba: i don't even know what snack is :-)
[12:47] <nijaba> kirkland: snack is what you use in python as a newt interface
[12:50] <kirkland> nijaba: cool.  but still, no.
[12:56] <dnperfors> Rafael: you don't need to configure anything, it will just work..
[12:57] <dnperfors> you can use that checkbox to disable that dialog
[12:57] <Rafael> every time i open it i have to run like installing it fresh on my window box
[12:58] <cjwatson> snack? not me
[12:58] <cjwatson> I know what it is but that's all
[12:59] <cjwatson> Rafael: that has nothing to do with how your Ubuntu box is set up; you can download PuTTY to your Windows desktop and run it from there rather than having to run it from the web page or whatever, if that's what you're asking
[13:01] <cjwatson> Rafael: if you can connect, then things are set up fine from the Ubuntu side
[13:01] <Rafael> every  time i clkick on icon on desktop of windows it open : if i want to run as if was new software installed
[13:03] <dnperfors> there should be a checkbox in that window, which you can use to disable that question
[13:10] <Mal3ko> can you suggest me some ways to reinstall ubuntu on ded server through remote ssh?
[13:12] <ScottK> Can you connect to it via ssh?
[13:12] <soren> Mal3ko: Why do you want to reinstall it?
[13:12] <Mal3ko> trying different distros..but my main os ubuntu
[13:13] <Mal3ko> and my server provider staffs is too slow..
[13:14] <soren> What's it running now?
[13:14] <Mal3ko> ubuntu server. its on the main partition
[13:14] <soren> Then why do you want to reinstall?
[13:14] <soren> You want to install Ubuntu, but you're already running it?
[13:16] <soren> People from "other" backgrounds tend to resort to reinstalling as a means for fixing things that can be trivially fixed by other means, and I'm trying to save you the hassle of going through a pointless reinstall to achieve something that might just be a few simple commands away.
[13:16] <Mal3ko> the main os stays there..i wont touch that..
[13:16] <ScottK> soren: You'll find the beginnings of a very similar conversation about 6 hours ago.
[13:16] <Mal3ko> now i need to install the newest ubuntu svr on the second [artition
[13:16] <soren> ScottK: Same participants?
[13:17] <ScottK> Yep
[13:17] <soren> ScottK: Lovely.
[13:17] <soren> Mal3ko: For testing newer versions, might I recommend a virtual machine instead?
[13:17] <soren> It's much less delicate.
[13:19] <Mal3ko> i thought so too but i'd like to test the os under real environment
[13:20] <Mal3ko> so vm is not an option..
[13:21] <soren> What exactly are you trying to test?
[13:21] <soren> Or: Why isn't a vm an option?
[13:22] <Mal3ko> jaunty jackalope
[13:23] <Mal3ko> soren, the server only have 2gb ram..
[13:24] <soren> So?
[13:25] <soren> Just assign all (well, 1.9 perhaps) to the VM.
[13:26] <soren> You weren't going to be running both of them side by side anyway, so I'm presuming shutting down everything else on the machine is kosher.
[13:38] <tjaalton> soren: do you remember why the multipath/kpartx udev rules were moved to 95?
[13:38] <soren> tjaalton: Keybuk said that stuff that loaded modules belonged >90.
[13:39] <tjaalton> soren: ok.. I'll mention that in the changelog
[13:39] <tjaalton> although the modules are built-in now
[13:39] <tjaalton> and I'll test if commenting out the modprobe's makes it quicker.. it seems to halt for one minute per modprobe now :)
[13:39] <soren> Really?
[13:39] <tjaalton> yes
[13:39] <tjaalton> in jaunty
[13:40] <soren> The multipath modules are built in?
[13:40] <soren> That's crazy.
[13:40] <tjaalton> why?
[13:40] <soren> I'm just not a fan of building all this stuff into the kernel.
[13:41] <soren> I like the kernels small, and I like that I can patch small things in the kernel and try them out without having to rebuild *everything*.
[13:41] <soren> I can do that with modules, but not with built-in stuff.
[13:41] <tjaalton> you can discuss it with rtg :)
[13:41] <soren> ...and that makes me cry.
[13:41] <tjaalton> or on the kernel-list perhaps
[13:44] <tjaalton> btw, the local-top script already modprobes stuff
[13:45] <tjaalton> so AIUI it's unnecessary to modprobe in kpartx.udev?
[13:47] <soren> tjaalton: IIRC, we put it there to make sure it worked immediately.
[13:47] <soren> I.e. not just after a reboot.
[13:47] <tjaalton> but the preinst modprobes already?
[13:48] <soren> You're going to end up making me actually look at code, aren't you? :)
[13:48] <tjaalton> hehe, no
[13:48] <tjaalton> preinst does modprobe
[13:48] <soren> too late
[13:48] <tjaalton> but is it enough?
[13:48] <tjaalton> oops! :)
[13:50] <soren> a) The initramfs stuff only comes into play if you have multipath-tools-boot installed
[13:52] <soren> b) The purpose of the modprobe is documented just above it :) It's to get rid of the init script.
[13:52] <juliux> hi
[13:53] <soren> ...but we apparantly have the init script now. I wonder what purpose that serves.
[13:53] <soren> I'm guessing: none.
[13:54] <tjaalton> the -boot.init is removed from the package
[13:54] <soren> Ah, that makes sense.
[13:54] <tjaalton> anyway, I'll leave those as-is
[14:01] <juliux> i have some trouble with postfix+mysql+cyrus+sieve
[14:01] <juliux> if i enable vacation module in sieve there are no mails sent out
[14:01] <juliux> is there any tools that need to be installed extra?
[14:29] <tjaalton> soren: rock on, the merged version booted up fine :)
[14:40] <kirkland> nijaba: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue?start=0
[14:40] <kirkland> nijaba: phoronix on the end of the queue ;-)
[14:42] <soren> tjaalton: Fantastic.
[14:42] <soren> tjaalton: What did you change, exactly?
[14:44] <tjaalton> soren: I didn't remove the dmsetup_env stuff, it's needed for kpartx rules to work
[14:45] <tjaalton> with the current dmsetup
[14:59] <kinnaz> reconfigure ocfs2 with following command with their default values
[14:59] <kinnaz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure o2cb
[14:59] <kinnaz> sudo /etc/init.d/o2cb restart
[14:59] <kinnaz> sudo /etc/init.d/ocfs2 restart
[14:59] <kinnaz> but dpkg-reconfigure tells me that there is no package called like that
[15:00] <soren> tjaalton: Why?
[15:00] <kinnaz> aswell there isnt anything called o2cb in init.d ... using ubuntu 8.04
[15:00] <tjaalton> soren: because dmsetup doesn't export the needed variables
[15:01] <tjaalton> so part of the kpartx rules are skipped
[15:01] <soren> Which ones are they?
[15:01] <soren> Ah, the TABLE_STATE?
[15:02] <tjaalton> yep
[15:02] <kinnaz> anyone has expirience with ocfs2 on ubuntu ?
[15:04] <soren> kinnaz: Where did you read about those commands?
[15:05] <soren> There is not, and has never been, an o2cb package in Ubuntu.
[15:06] <soren> nor debian
[15:06] <kinnaz> some debian manual i think
[15:06] <kinnaz> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/578
[15:06] <kinnaz> soren, can you point me towards smt ubuntu related ?
[15:09] <kinnaz> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/heartbeat2-xen-cluster-with-drbd8-and-ocfs2.html#more-408
[15:10] <kinnaz> and again same commands
[15:12] <kinnaz> hough I did run to some problems while installing this system on hardy. For example with the dpkg-reconfigure o2cb I had to use ocfs2-tools instead
[15:12] <kinnaz> thats the answer :)
[15:53] <Mal3ko> anyone familiar with ufw here?
[15:53] <Mal3ko> how do i specify port range?
[15:53] <Mal3ko> without inclucing ip address
[16:19] <tonyyarusso> Mal3ko: I don't actually know, but see if port1-port2 or port1:port2 works.
[16:20] <methods> why does bzr install x11 ?
[16:28] <profanephobia> i need for my workstations (with no hdds) to boot from an image on the network, can someone point me towards a tutorial to get me started please?
[16:29] <methods> ltp
[16:30] <profanephobia> is that directed towards me?
[16:31] <genii> profanephobia: I think they meant LTSP (linus thin server project)
[16:31] <genii> *linux
[16:31] <profanephobia> genii, ok ill look it up thanks
[16:46] <LeoWei> i have this LAMP server, but how do i point my domain www.abc.com to mu lamp server?
[20:26] <r00tintheb0x> Hello all.
[20:26] <r00tintheb0x> Should I use an entry in /etc/inittab to make sure a process is running at all times or use cron and a script?
[20:28] <ScottK> r00tintheb0x: Which release are you using?
[20:29] <r00tintheb0x> Eh... well... its CentOS actually.
[20:29] <r00tintheb0x> But, I'm installing all new servers we put up w/Ubuntu.
[20:29] <r00tintheb0x> Its our CentOS 5.2 MX server.
[20:29] <ScottK> r00tintheb0x: Then Ubuntu advice would be totally wrong.
[20:29] <r00tintheb0x> amavisd keeps dying for some reason.
[20:30] <ScottK> Ubuntu has not had /etc/inittab since Dapper.
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> ScottK would /etc/inittab not be the same for CentOS and Ubuntu?
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> Oh okay.
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> Sorry.
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> Ah, I see that.
[20:30] <r00tintheb0x> My bacula server has no /etc/inittab
[20:31] <ScottK> In Ubuntu you'd use an upstart job I guess instead.
[20:31] <ScottK> Cron and a script works too.
[20:31] <r00tintheb0x> Right, yeah... i just read about upstart in the forum.
[20:31] <ScottK> Even better fix why amavisd is dieing.
[20:31] <r00tintheb0x> ScottK, you have any experience w/Ubuntu and Oracle ODBC?
[20:32] <ScottK> Nope.  Sorry
[20:35] <r00tintheb0x> Dang
[20:35] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone have any experience w/Oracle ODBC?
[20:51] <mustangg> hello the chan. I'm looking simply to confirm the reason(s) why the alt-iso installer seems to be aware of my machines previous hostname. It was suggested to me that if my box is on dhcp with an already reserved IP that perhaps the installer makes an assumption and populates based on that.   Anyone..?
[20:55] <maw_> have you tested that assumption?
[21:04] <UndertakerX2> ubuntu-server
[21:06] <UndertakerX2> how can i find a list of open ports on my server?
[21:08] <mustangg> pardon for re-asking but: Trying to confirm where the installer find hostname info during network setup of a fresh install. Someone suggested to me that if the machine is on dhcp with an already reserved IP that maybe the installer make some assumptions and populates the name. Anyone?
[21:09] <jpds> UndertakerX2: netstat -a
[21:11] <jpds> UndertakerX2: On second thought, that's not quite it... I usually nmap the host myself.
[21:15] <UndertakerX2> jd: thanks
[21:24] <mustangg> perhaps someone might know where I can found out that info? Short of reading source code that is.. heh ..
[21:39] <andol> kirkland: Satisfied with my new explanation to bug #296952, or do you want more details?
[21:44] <kirkland> andol: i'll check
[21:55] <kassem> Bonsoir.
[21:57] <o0o> can anyone tell me why IBM serveraid is not supported in ubuntu server?
[21:58] <o0o> but is in debian
[22:00] <roy_hobbs> I've got two network interfaces that are listed UNCLAIMED from lshw.  I'm not sure if these would be installed automatically with jockey if i had a gui.  Is there a way to figure this out?  Also, I'm not sure if the drivers are available online... but I do have a OS installation which might have them on there somewhere.  how might i find them?
[22:04] <roy_hobbs> The box is originally this IDS appliance from juniper.net.  I have a installation CD that's some distro of linux or another.  If I knew where to get the drivers off of it, I might be able to put them on my ubuntu-server which I managed to install onto the appliance
[22:31] <o0o> is there anyway to the get debian serveraid drivers to work with ubuntu?