[00:10] <terminal> hi all. i am having a strange issue. i am attempting to install xubuntu 8.10 on my macbook pro (penryn), but when I launch either the livecd or installer the text on everything is HUGE, which means i can't see anything to do the install.
[00:10] <terminal> any ideas? :/
[00:11] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts might help
[00:11] <zoredache> Use the alternate installer?
[00:11] <zoredache> !alternate
[00:13] <terminal> i was hoping to avoid burning another disk, but yeah i guess i'll have to do an alternate install
[00:14] <terminal> charlie-tca: interesting doc, can't really mess with the quirks or anything since it is a live cd :/
[00:14] <j1mc> terminal: i think you can copy the iso to a usb stick, and install from there.
[00:15] <j1mc> you have to take some extra steps to do it, but i could save you the cd if you really wanted.
[00:15] <terminal> nah it's easier to just burn the cd lol
[00:15] <terminal> i was hoping to just fix whatever the problem is and use the normal installer
[00:15] <zoredache> if your network works, you really only need the contents of the mini.iso
[00:17] <zoredache> did you check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro_Penryn ?
[00:19] <terminal> i am following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro4-1/Intrepid
[00:42] <craigbass1976> Is there a way to jsut boot into a command line from the xubuntu hardy livecd?  I need to grab some files and X is borking out on me
[00:45] <cody-somerville> I believe so, yes.
[00:45] <knome> wow, cody-somerville o/
[00:45] <cody-somerville> hi :]
[00:46] <craigbass1976> I just saw a safe graphics mode that I swear wasn't tyhere an hour ago
[00:47] <j1mc> hi knome and craigbass1976
[00:47] <j1mc> and cody-somerville
[00:47] <cody-somerville> :)
[00:47] <craigbass1976> j1mc, hey
[00:47] <j1mc> hey
[00:47] <knome> hello j1mc
[01:05] <thiebaude1> hi everyone
[01:06] <thiebaude1> how do i intstall downloadable themes on xubuntu
[01:07] <Mood> thiebaude1: install? or download? or both?
[01:07] <thiebaude1> i downloaded but i need to install it
[01:07] <thiebaude1> im new to xubuntu
[01:08] <Mood> you should be able to use Xfce Settings Manager->User Interface
[01:08] <thiebaude1> ok thanks i'll try that
[01:10] <thiebaude1> mood:when i downloaded the theme i saved it in my temp file, when i get into user interface there is no way to get it from the temp folder
[01:12] <knome> !themes
[01:12] <knome> !changethemes
[01:12] <zoredache> !xfce-themes
[01:12] <thiebaude1> kewl
[01:13] <zoredache> hrm... xfce-themes works in a pm to ubottu
[01:18] <knome> !xfce-themes
[01:18] <knome> hmmh.
[01:18] <knome> ;)
[01:19] <zoredache> eh?  whats that about?
[01:19] <knome> dunno. maybe you're banned or something? ;)
[01:19] <knome> worksforme
[01:19] <knome> anyway, good night.
[01:19] <zoredache> !hi
[01:19]  * zoredache shrugs
[01:19] <knome> :)
[01:24] <steeljim> good evening
[01:24] <thiebaude> hi
[01:24] <steeljim> can anyone assit with a server setup
[01:25] <zoredache> the best way to find out is by asking your question
[01:26] <steeljim> having a problem mounting a drive
[01:26] <steeljim> trying to do a windows share
[01:29] <zoredache> so does your windows box see the linux box in the network neighborhood?
[01:29] <steeljim> yes it does
[01:30] <zoredache> and you see the share?
[01:30] <steeljim> but I don't see any drives
[01:30] <steeljim> just the server what I named
[01:33] <zoredache> did you just set this up?  Did you restart samba after adjusting the configuration?
[01:34] <zoredache> I have to go, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[01:34] <zoredache> !samba
[01:41] <txDEF> hello all
[01:41] <txDEF> how do I get to the command prompt of the alternate install?
[01:42] <zoredache> press alt-f2
[01:42] <charlie-tca> rescue a broken system
[01:42] <txDEF> thanks
[01:42] <txDEF> the system is not broken though, doing a fresh install and the hdd is not recognized
[01:43]  * charlie-tca is too slow; must be getting late
[01:44] <txDEF> what is the sudo command to try and recognize the hdd?
[01:45] <zoredache> it usually should just be there unless you a drive controller that isn't supported
[01:45] <txDEF> the hdd is connected via IDE to a MSI MS-6131 PII mb
[01:46] <txDEF> system boots fine currently into xp and the hdd is recognized in the bios
[01:46] <txDEF> though the bios only revision is 1.6 from 1998
[01:47] <txDEF> i've disabled PNP in the bios, disabled hdd blocks,
[01:47] <txDEF> disabled UDMA and UDMA2 in the bios
[01:48] <txDEF> I keep thinking I am missing something simple
[01:49] <txDEF> looking through the forums others have installed xubuntu on this type of machine, so I would believe that the drivers are there
[01:54] <steeljim> can anyone assits with a drive share setup
[01:55] <steeljim> I have /dev/sda5 that i would like to set up as a windows share
[01:59] <burner> steeljim: first mount it somewhere... /dev/sda5 is the device, where is it mounted?  /media/extradrive?
[02:00] <steeljim> i dont know
[02:00] <steeljim> fresh install
[02:00] <burner> type "mount"
[02:00] <steeljim> bunch of stuff came up
[02:01] <burner> and /dev/sda6 was in the list?
[02:01] <steeljim> but only listed /dev/sda7
[02:01] <burner> so it's not mounted
[02:01] <burner> is it formatted?
[02:01] <burner> is there data on it?
[02:01] <steeljim> yes
[02:01] <steeljim> no
[02:01] <steeljim> only the os
[02:01] <burner> so /dev/sda6 is where your / is?
[02:02] <burner> i wouldn't share the whole drive, pick a folder to share
[02:02] <steeljim> whole drive is ok
[02:02] <burner> it's not
[02:02] <steeljim> its only 80 gig
[02:02] <burner> but you can't share your root
[02:02] <steeljim> just learning this is my first server
[02:02] <steeljim> how about just partion sda5
[02:02] <diginux> are there any xubuntu devs in here?
[02:02] <burner> steeljim: if you have another partition you want to share, that's fine
[02:02] <steeljim> what is an xubuntu devs?
[02:03] <burner> someone who develops xubuntu
[02:03] <diginux> scratch that
[02:03] <diginux> i meant an xfce dev
[02:03] <steeljim> yea just want to share sda5
[02:03] <burner> steeljim: is it mounted? where?  if not, mount it via command line or via gparted
[02:03] <diginux> i would just like to know if the menu editor is going to be coming back soon in jaunty :)
[02:03] <diginux> cody-somerville: just commented on your blog post btw
[02:04] <steeljim> just did sudo fdisk -l
[02:04] <steeljim> got 6 partitions
[02:04] <steeljim> no xfce dev
[02:04] <steeljim> all dev/sda1 ,2,5,6,7,8
[02:05] <cody-somerville> diginux, :)
[02:05] <steeljim> how do I mount?
[02:05] <steeljim> sudo mount dev/sda5?
[02:05] <diginux> steeljim: sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/somefolder
[02:06] <steeljim> mount point does not exist
[02:07] <steeljim> do i need to create the "somefolder"" first
[02:07] <diginux> steeljim: yes
[02:07] <txDEF> any reason why I get sudo not found at the command prompt?
[02:07] <burner> exactly
[02:07] <steeljim> how do i do that/
[02:07] <steeljim> sudo create "somefolder"
[02:07] <diginux> steeljim: mkdir /mnt/disk1
[02:07] <burner> steeljim: sudo mkdir /mnt/sda5
[02:07] <diginux> steeljim: sudo mkdir /mnt/disk1
[02:07] <diginux> or that
[02:07] <diginux> ;)
[02:08]  * burner notes that this can all be done through a sudo thunar as well if you prefer gui
[02:08] <burner> er... gksudo thunar rather
[02:08] <steeljim> the mount can be?
[02:09] <steeljim> apt-get gksudo?
[02:09] <burner> gksudo is just like sudo, but better for apps that run in X
[02:10] <burner> er.. gtk even.. kdesudo for qt apps
[02:10] <burner> sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5
[02:10] <burner> is it ext2/3/4?
[02:11] <steeljim> don't see an ext?
[02:11] <steeljim> I got device boot start end blocks id system
[02:11] <steeljim> should i get some confirmation on the folder creation  or the mount
[02:12] <steeljim> its just going to the next line after i enter it
[02:12] <burner> it just goes
[02:12] <burner> mount with no args shows what is mounted
[02:13] <steeljim> ok so i did the sudo mount ./dev/sda5/ /mt/sda5
[02:13] <steeljim> ok cool
[02:13] <burner> i see a few typos in your mount line
[02:13] <steeljim> I got .dev.sda5 on /mnt/sda5 type ext3 (rw)
[02:14] <steeljim> does that mean im mounted?
[02:14] <burner> yep
[02:14] <steeljim> ok so create the folder now?
[02:14] <burner> sure... or just share teh whole drive
[02:14] <burner> sudo mkdir /mnt/sda5/sharedfolder
[02:15] <burner> then install samba... "sudo apt-get install samba"
[02:15]  * burner wonders if there's a gui app for Xfce that is advised or if editing /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:16] <steeljim> ok is says according to mtab, /dev/sda5 is already mounted on /mnt/sda5
[02:20] <steeljim> if I want the whold drive is it sudo mdkir /mnt/sda5
[02:21] <steeljim> sudo mkdir /mnt/sda5
[02:23] <steeljim> ok installed samba
[02:23] <steeljim> now what?
[02:25] <steeljim> now do i have to edit the smb.conf file?
[02:26] <steeljim> burner you still there?
[02:33] <steeljim> uh oh i think im writing an smb.conf file
[02:36] <steeljim> how do i get out of here without saving this?
[02:37] <diginux> steeljim: what are you using to edit it?
[02:38] <steeljim> I typed edit /etc/smb.conf
[02:38] <steeljim> bunch of blue dashes on the side
[02:38] <steeljim> looks like free form text
[02:38] <steeljim> how do I get out?
[02:38] <steeljim> Im fallen and can't get up
[02:39] <diginux> ummm
[02:39] <burner> use nano
[02:39] <burner> "sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf"
[02:39] <diginux> i didnt even know edit was a command
[02:39] <burner> i dont think it is
[02:40] <steeljim> oh man
[02:40] <steeljim> its not taking the command
[02:40] <steeljim> its not a command line
[02:40] <burner> ctrl+c help?
[02:40] <steeljim> bottom says 1 change; #12 25 seconds ago
[02:40] <burner> weird
[02:40] <burner> i'm unfamiliar with an "edit" program
[02:40] <steeljim> ok type :quit(enter) to exit vim
[02:41] <steeljim> oh it says recording
[02:41] <steeljim> doh
[02:41] <burner> lol
[02:41] <steeljim> wth
[02:41] <burner> you're in the text editor vim
[02:41] <steeljim> what is that?
[02:42] <burner> it's a bit odd to those new to it... i'd recommend nano instead
[02:42] <steeljim> and how do i get out
[02:42] <steeljim> its not taking quit
[02:42] <burner> :q!
[02:42] <burner> try that
[02:43] <steeljim> no says recording again
[02:43] <burner> is this gnome-terminal?
[02:44] <burner> er, I meant xfce4-terminal just close it and open a new one ;)
[02:44] <steeljim> no
[02:44] <steeljim> no its my first attemt at creating a file server
[02:44] <steeljim> 8.10
[02:44] <steeljim> ubuntu
[02:44] <burner> so wtf terminal are you at?
[02:44] <steeljim> now im recording something...lol
[02:44] <burner> you're in #xubuntu
[02:44] <steeljim> im on the server
[02:45] <burner> no gui?
[02:45] <steeljim> no
[02:45] <burner> oh, lame ;)
[02:45] <burner> ok, you need to close vim somehow
[02:45] <steeljim> someone told me the guis dont do much
[02:45] <burner> hit escape
[02:45] <steeljim> not to bother with them
[02:45] <steeljim> just go "command line"
[02:45]  * burner likes a gui... even a simple xfce
[02:45] <burner> bleh, i wouldn't
[02:45] <steeljim> esc not working
[02:45] <burner> especially on your first one
[02:45] <steeljim> but im recording
[02:45] <steeljim> lol
[02:45] <burner> hit esc once, it toggles modes
[02:46] <steeljim> not toggling
[02:46] <steeljim> stuck on recording
[02:46] <steeljim> should I control alt delete
[02:46] <steeljim> lol
[02:46] <burner> just type :q!
[02:47] <steeljim> oh ok im back at command line
[02:47] <steeljim> should I try a gui?
[02:47] <burner> sure, but that can be later
[02:47] <burner> just use nano for now
[02:47] <burner> it's easy
[02:47] <burner> "sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf"
[02:47] <burner> create a share
[02:47] <burner> add a samba user "sudo smbpasswd -a username"
[02:48] <burner> then restart samba..  "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart"
[02:48] <steeljim> ok got a bunch of stuff
[02:48] <steeljim> sample config
[02:50] <steeljim> I don't see a create share option?
[02:51] <steeljim> oh do I just change  this stuff
[02:51] <steeljim> share modes= no change to yes?
[02:54] <steeljim> dude this is a lot of stuff
[02:55] <steeljim> ok so what am i supposed to be editing here?
[02:59] <steeljim> burner?
[03:01] <steeljim> I thought this was easy?
[03:02] <burner> lol
[03:02] <steeljim> wth am i editing here?
[03:02] <burner> you should start with ubuntu
[03:02] <burner> then you just right click a folder and click share in nautius
[03:02] <burner> you can do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" to get a gui :)
[03:02] <steeljim> on the server?
[03:03] <burner> yeah
[03:03] <steeljim> ok but wait
[03:03] <steeljim> I changed the share to yes
[03:03] <steeljim> should I not do that?
[03:03] <steeljim> or just not save this and exit
[03:03] <burner> don't save
[03:03] <burner> exit
[03:03] <burner> i think by default the home directory is shared
[03:04] <steeljim> htf do I exit
[03:04] <steeljim> ^g
[03:04] <burner> ctrl+x
[03:04] <steeljim> what is that
[03:04] <burner> ^ = ctrl
[03:04] <steeljim> ohhh
[03:04] <steeljim> so i can configure the server from the desktop
[03:05] <burner> you'll just be able to right click the folder and click "share"
[03:05] <steeljim> ok im installing
[03:05] <steeljim> f this command line....roflmao
[03:05] <burner> for sure
[03:05] <burner> especially your first one
[03:05] <steeljim> kinda intersting
[03:05]  * burner rocks terminal and loves it though ;)
[03:05] <steeljim> but I don't know wtf im doing
[03:06] <steeljim> i got another question
[03:06] <steeljim> i know samba makes the windows pc see the linux folder
[03:07] <steeljim> what if i have another linux machine?
[03:07] <steeljim> will it see the folder also?
[03:09] <burner> yep
[03:09] <steeljim> dude is this gonna take and hour and half to install?
[03:09] <burner> at nautilus... hit ctrl+l
[03:09] <burner> then type "smb://192.168.x.x" to whatever your ip is
[03:09] <burner> probably... it's all of gnome
[03:09] <steeljim> holy shi*
[03:19] <steeljim> where is this downloading from?
[03:19] <zoredache> the internet
[03:24] <steeljim> ok so after this installs
[03:24] <steeljim> is it going to reboot and come up with the desktop?
[03:25] <steeljim> and I know you will probably giggle at this one but I eventually want to create a web page
[03:25] <steeljim> will i be able to do that through the desktop also?
[03:32] <zoredache> To make a web page, all you need is a text editor
[03:42] <steeljim> ok but wait
[03:42] <steeljim> if I load this desktop will it over ride the server install and technically make this a client machine
[03:43] <burner> no
[03:44] <burner> you're not removing anything
[03:44] <burner> btw, what exactly are you serving?  just samba?
[03:44] <steeljim> well
[03:44] <steeljim> nothing yet
[03:44] <burner> a desktop can easily be a server and a server can have a gui desktop
[03:44] <steeljim> but i want to create a media server
[03:44] <burner> easy enough
[03:44] <steeljim> and file server
[03:45] <burner> yeah man, rock out with a gui and add your server packages as needed
[03:45] <steeljim> what are the server packages?
[03:45] <burner> you might want it to run rhythmbox with your music library to be a daap audio server
[03:46] <steeljim> will that accomodate itunes?
[03:46] <steeljim> or play the itunes files
[03:46] <burner> apache is a good web server, samba is a windows file server, ssh is good remote command line
[03:46] <steeljim> yea I want remote access also
[03:46] <steeljim> to share my music
[03:46] <burner> it will let itunes connect to it, and it can connect to itunes < version 7.0
[03:46] <steeljim> with buds
[03:47] <steeljim> i also have a captive works 3000 hd
[03:47] <steeljim> which is linux based
[03:47] <steeljim> I also want to load all my dvd's into the server
[03:48]  * burner likes handbrake for dvd ripping
[03:48] <steeljim> i already have some good stuff for that windows based
[03:48] <burner> so far, you need samba.. that's the only kind of serving it sounds like you're after
[03:48] <steeljim> anydvd
[03:49] <steeljim> clonedvd2
[03:49] <burner> handbrake works well on windows, mac, and linux
[03:49] <steeljim> does it decrypt actual movies?
[03:49] <burner> si
[03:49] <burner> and makes mpeg-4
[03:50] <steeljim> is it freeware
[03:50] <burner> and open source
[03:51] <steeljim> I have just started researching his open source stuff
[03:52] <steeljim> I use a lot of satellite stuff that i don't believe can be run on linux
[03:54]  * burner shrugs and digs linux
[03:55] <steeljim> the captive works box is pretty cool thats why i started looking into this
[04:04] <steeljim> 10 mins left on that download
[04:08] <steeljim> wait mpeg 4 is hd right?
[04:14] <burner> can be
[04:15] <burner> it can encode a wide range of sizes and quality
[04:17] <burner> thoggen can rip dvds to ogg theora!  .ogv files
[04:26] <steeljim> ok its done
[04:27] <steeljim> how do i run it?
[04:28] <steeljim> burner its done back at command line?
[04:29] <forces> saluton
[04:30] <steeljim> how do i start the desktop gui?
[04:32] <steeljim> run ubuntu-desktop?
[04:32] <steeljim> sudo ubuntu-desktop?
[04:34] <steeljim> burner you there?
[04:37] <forces> steeljim, start x
[04:37] <steeljim> need to be root?
[04:38] <steeljim> how do i get to root?
[04:41] <forces> root is desactivated
[04:41] <forces> for security
[04:41] <forces> use sudo
[04:42] <steeljim> sudo start x?
[04:43] <steeljim> trying to start the desktop
[04:43] <steeljim> from command line
[04:43] <steeljim> when i type in start x says has to be root
[04:43] <steeljim> sudo start x not working either
[04:46] <steeljim> did sudo su
[04:46] <steeljim> now at root but start x ain't woring
[04:46] <steeljim> soab
[04:48] <steeljim> anyone?
[04:50] <steeljim> forces you there?
[04:50] <steeljim> someone talk to me
[04:56] <steeljim> anyone here?
[05:49] <Iznougoud> Good morning. Or good evening, whatever it - wherever you are..
[05:50] <Iznougoud> Not sure if this is the place to look, but I could really use some help concerning xUbuntu..
[05:53] <zoredache> This may be the place
[05:53] <G-Bleezy> where do i find the MAC address of my wireless card?
[05:53] <zoredache> G-Bleezy: type ifconfig or iwconfig in a terminal
[05:54] <Iznougoud> Well, I suppose that's to be considered a somewhat good start, zoredache.. ;)
[05:54] <G-Bleezy> its not really showin up there tho
[05:54] <G-Bleezy> thats where i been lookin
[05:54] <G-Bleezy> i swear it was there when i looked like an hour ago...can't find it now tho
[05:57] <zoredache> when you run ifconfig do you see your card?
[06:19] <[biabia]> you may need to sudo
[06:20] <[biabia]> ?   i think you need root privelege
[06:21] <[biabia]> sorry for the untimeliness of that contribution
[06:44] <Xenocide> openGL runs quite slow, anyone know why that might be?
[07:02] <G-Bleezy> How can i find out what driver and version my wireless card is using?
[07:03] <Xenocide> u dont need to know, as long as it connects its all good
[07:21] <genii> You don't need sudo to see ifconfig results. Only to issue something like sudo ifconfig eth0 <some-option>
[07:29] <Iznougoud> I'm trying to configure Firestarter here, activating ICS, but for some reason it does only detect eth0 (which would be my NIC) and an "unknown unit" given the designation pan0 - could that by any chance be the serial port?
[07:31] <Iznougoud> Sorry for asking. It's obviously something completely different..
[07:31] <Iznougoud> Question is, why can't I find my serial ports in Firestarter? They are activated in BIOS, so that wouldn't be the problem..
[07:37] <rocko> yo
[07:37] <rocko> for real
[07:37] <rocko> you be haten' ah brotha Xenocide
[07:38] <rocko> me hears you be racist is this true ?
[07:44] <G-Bleezy> How can i find out what driver and version my wireless card is using? I need to figure out if my drivers allow my wlan0 to properly inject packets...
[07:45] <G-Bleezy> ..cause i don't think they are?
[07:48]  * Panarchy says Hi
[07:50] <Panarchy> I'm currently 'ordering' discs off of ShipIt. I've currently ordered Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Ubuntu Server & Ubuntu Server 64-bit. Have I missed any of the "Ubuntu" discs that I can get off of shipit?
[07:52] <Panarchy> I'm currently 'ordering' discs off of ShipIt. I've currently ordered Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Ubuntu Server & Ubuntu Server 64-bit. Have I missed any of the "Ubuntu" discs that I can get off of shipit?
[07:54] <G-Bleezy> !repeat | Panarchy
[07:54] <Panarchy> !pie
[07:55] <Panarchy> aww... this bot doesn't know Pie!
[07:55] <Panarchy> !ignore
[07:55] <Panarchy> !cheese
[07:55] <Panarchy> !love
[07:56] <Panarchy> hahahahahaha
[08:14] <Panarchy> !food
[08:16] <vbfght> Uh, How do I install a program that came in the .tar gz format?
[08:18] <vbfght> Am i in the wrong place to ask questions?
[08:19] <fkrieg> you can extract the archive with tar -xzf archive.tar.gz and then there could be a file like INSTALL which tells you how to install
[08:19] <vbfght> ?
[08:20] <genii> !coffee
[08:20]  * genii decides to have some
[08:22] <genii> vbfght: When needing to install something: 1: Search for it in package manager system. If found install it from there 2: If not found there, look online for a .deb package which is for your *buntu version, and install that. 3: If 1 and 2 fail, and only then download a tar.gz file, extract it, then go into the directory and build the thing from source.
[08:23] <vbfght> what about a .deb file?
[08:23] <vbfght> how do i install from .deb
[08:23] <genii> vbfght:  .deb is the packing type for programs that is what *buntu systems use
[08:24] <genii> vbfght: To install a deb file, use: sudo dpkg -i <filename-of-.deb-package-you-downloaded-which-is-in-directory-you-are-running-this-command-in>
[08:25] <vbfght> wow thank you very much
[08:25] <genii> vbfght: You're welcome
[08:32] <Reno`> Oo
[08:33] <Reno`> huyase
[08:34] <vbfght> See you later. Thanks again.
[09:00]  * Panarchy says Hi
[09:00] <Panarchy> I'm currently 'ordering' discs off of ShipIt. I've currently ordered Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Ubuntu Server & Ubuntu Server 64-bit. Have I missed any of the "Ubuntu" discs that I can get off of shipit?
[09:02] <knome> !shipit
[09:40] <ikonia> Panarchy: how many times do you need to be told about spamming multiple channels with the same question
[09:46] <Panarchy> knome: Thanks
[09:46] <Panarchy> !ubuntu-ops
[10:19] <iz_> Anyone active in here?
[10:19] <iz_> Guess that would answer my question..
[10:23] <ablomen> !question
[10:24] <ablomen> iz_, there are people here :)
[10:24]  * genii sips
[10:24] <iz_> Oh, thank you God. Thank you, thank you.. ;)
[10:25] <genii> 35 seconds is hardly long enough to wait before decidinng no one is around....
[10:25] <iz_> I was more referring to a number of users logging off in immediate response to my question :P
[10:26] <iz_> Anyway, I'm going through hell trying to access the serial port from Xubuntu, and could really use som guidance on the matter..
[10:27] <Panarchy> Yes
[10:27] <Panarchy> Hi
[10:27] <Panarchy> Just got badck
[10:27] <Panarchy> back
[10:27] <Panarchy> Be quick, as I can probably fix your problem, but I have to go soon
[10:27] <iz_> Referring to me?
[10:29] <iz_> It's simple, or maybe not. I need to access ttyS0, and according to Xubuntu it simply isn't there. It's active in BIOS though, so I really don't know what the problem might be..
[10:29] <iz_> (I can't access ttyS1 either for that matter)
[10:32] <iz_> The only devices I can list are eth0 and - for some bizarre reason - pan0
[10:37] <Panarchy> Have you mounted it?
[10:37] <Panarchy> Can you give me your computer specifications?
[10:37] <iz_> I haven't manually mounted it, no.
[10:38] <ikonia> mount a serial device ?
[10:38] <iz_> Comp: 800Mhz PIII, 512Mb RAM (old Compaq)
[10:39] <iz_> When trying to manually mount it, I get the message "can't find  /dev/ttyS0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[10:40] <ikonia> iz_: what is attatched to this device ? ttyS0 is normally a serial port
[10:40] <iz_> A nullmodem-cable
[10:40] <ikonia> iz_: so you wouldn't mount that
[10:40] <ikonia> iz_: what exactly are you trying to do ?
[10:41] <Panarchy> Ah, NullModem.
[10:41] <Panarchy> Should've asked what serial device it was first... lol
[10:41] <Panarchy> What router or hub are you trying to connect it to?
[10:42] <iz_> The Compaq (which I am sitting at right now) is connected to a bridget wireless router. I'm looking to use the Compaq as a DNS-server and gateway for antoher machine to which it is connected via the nullmodem-cable..
[10:43] <iz_> For that purpose, I planned to use Firestarter, but I need to get the serial port up and running..
[10:43] <Panarchy> hmmm
[10:43] <iz_> Yes. Better not get into that, and focus on the serial port instead.. ;)
[10:43] <Panarchy> Can I have the model number?
[10:44] <iz_> Of what, the Compaq?
[10:44] <Panarchy> Yes
[10:45] <Panarchy> Thanks
[10:45] <Panarchy> Also your motherboard
[10:45] <iz_> Compaq EN/P733/10E/6/128C
[10:45] <iz_> Not much info on the motherboard, just reads Compaq Despro
[10:45] <Panarchy> Googled it, got nothing: Your search - Compaq EN/P733/10E/6/128C - did not match any documents.
[10:46] <iz_> Give me a sec
[10:46] <Panarchy> DeskPro?
[10:46] <iz_> Deskpro
[10:46] <iz_> Google Compaq Despro EN instead..
[10:46] <Panarchy> lol
[10:47] <Panarchy> say it again?
[10:47] <iz_> http://h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10021_div/10021_div.HTML
[10:48] <iz_> This one originally shipped with a 733Mhz PIII
[10:48] <Panarchy> Hmmm
[10:48] <Panarchy> I'm more interested in the modem, don't know much on the PC end
[10:48] <iz_> Three PCI-slots and two SD133-slots
[10:49] <Panarchy> Doesn't the modem have a 'new' console port, that isn't real? (like virtual, so you just connect an RJ-45)
[10:49] <Panarchy> I know on Windows you use HyperTerminal
[10:49] <Panarchy> and there was a free one as well... forget what it's called
[10:49] <Panarchy> Sorry I can't be of more assistance, my knowledge seems to be lacking
[10:51]  * Panarchy leaves to have Linux dreams
[10:51] <Myrtti> right...
[10:51] <knome> hello Myrtti
[10:52] <Myrtti> hello knome
[10:54] <ikonia> iz_: sorry - I'll pick this up with you now
[10:54] <ikonia> iz_: what is it your trying to do
[10:54] <ikonia> iz_: lets start off properly
[10:54] <iz_> Ikonia; are you sure you want to know? ;)
[10:55] <iz_> I'll try to keep it brief..
[10:55] <ikonia> iz_: quick summary
[10:56] <iz_> The Compaq has a fully working connection to the LAN. I would like to use some kind of ICS via the serial port though, for the purpose of getting another machine with no NIC access to the LAN.
[10:56] <ikonia> iz_: whoaaaaa
[10:56] <iz_> For that purpose, I intended to use Firestarter.
[10:57] <ikonia> iz_: you'll need to "dial" ther other machine (check out tip) to make a connection
[10:57] <iz_> Which may, or may not work. But since I can't access ttyS0 in any way, I'm kind of stuck at square one.
[10:57] <ikonia> iz_: do you have /dev/ttyS0
[10:57] <iz_> Yes.
[10:57] <ikonia> iz_: ok - so that's a great start, so you do have the device, and xubuntu can see it
[10:58] <ikonia> iz_: so now you need to "connect" to the other machine, what is the other machine running ?
[10:58] <iz_> Well, yes and no.
[10:58] <ikonia> yes and no ?
[10:58] <iz_> The file ttyS0 is in devs.
[10:58] <ikonia> iz_: that means the device was seen a boot time and a device file created - so that's great, it's there and #xubuntu knows about it
[10:59] <iz_> Ok. I'll take your word for it..
[10:59] <iz_> But, Firestarter can't see it.
[10:59] <ikonia> iz_: because firestart wants a network device
[10:59] <ikonia> not a serial device
[11:00] <iz_> Right. By that you mean an active network device.. Not a potential one..
[11:00] <ikonia> a serial device is not a network device
[11:00] <ikonia> iz_: you need to look at "slip"
[11:00] <iz_> Now it's getting ugly.. ;)
[11:00] <ikonia> it's been ages since I did anything like this, slip is "serial line i p "
[11:01] <iz_> Ok. And how do I setup that in Xubuntu?
[11:01] <ikonia> there must be something on the web, hang on
[11:01] <ikonia> I've not done this for many years
[11:01] <iz_> But, you have done it... Which is more than I could say for most.. :P
[11:01] <ikonia> http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_SerialLineInternetProtocolSLIP.htm
[11:01] <ikonia> quick over view - looks solid
[11:02] <ikonia> not for many many years
[11:03] <iz_> So much for the simple solution using Firestarter.. :\
[11:03] <ikonia> Hmmm nothing obvious on any of the normal guide sites
[11:03] <Myrtti> just a thought - perhaps the guys at #ubuntu-server know more?
[11:03] <iz_> Still. I should have known.. ;)
[11:04] <ikonia> Myrtti: nice on e
[11:07] <iz_> Ah well. Anyway, it's settled that me trying to "activate" ttyS0 in any fashion other than setting up SLIP is a dead end..
[11:08] <sophia> anyone can help? i have a problem in compiling my code
[11:08] <knome> !ask | sophia
[11:08] <sophia> anyone can help? i have a problem in compiling my code
[11:09] <sophia> mine is 32bit ubuntu when i compile my code i get following error:
[11:10] <iz_> Thank you for helping, ikonia.
[11:10] <sophia> f_wrap.c:(.text+0x119): undefined reference to `PL_strlen'
[11:10] <sophia> ff_wrap.c:(.text+0x124): undefined reference to `NPN_MemAlloc'
[11:10] <sophia> ff_wrap.c:(.text+0x13f): undefined reference to `PL_strcpy'
[11:10] <sophia> /tmp/ccz1PevI.o: In function `addToList':
[11:10] <sophia> ff_wrap.c:(.text+0x17f): undefined reference to `NPN_MemAlloc'
[11:10] <sophia> /tmp/ccz1PevI.o: In function `delFromList':
[11:10] <sophia> ff_wrap.c:(.text+0x220): undefined reference to `NPN_MemFree'
[11:10] <sophia> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:10] <sophia> make: *** [ff_wrap.o] Error 1
[11:11] <knome> !pastebin | sophia
[11:11] <Myrtti> sophia: why are you trying to compile mplayer yourself?
[11:11] <knome> maybe you should ask some programming channel?
[11:11] <sophia> gcc `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` ff_wrap.c -o ff_wrap.o
[11:11] <sophia> /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':
[11:11] <sophia> (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main'
[11:11] <sophia> /tmp/ccz1PevI.o: In function `dupMimeType':
[11:11] <sophia> ff_wrap.c:(.text+0x119): undefined reference to `PL_strlen'
[11:11] <knome> and mabye this isn't a (x)ubuntu issue after all.
[11:12] <sophia> Myrtti: its my project and i have to do it...
[11:12] <ikonia> sound an unusual project
[11:13] <sophia> hmmm?
[11:13] <ikonia> sophia: is this for school ?
[11:13] <knome> sophia, i think #ubuntu-devel might be the best place to ask this.
[11:14] <knome> or then not.
[11:14] <sophia> no y?
[11:14] <knome> i'm not quite sure where this kind of things belong.
[11:14] <sophia> its not an mplayer
[11:14] <ikonia> sophia: just trying to understand the scope of the project to see if there is an alternative
[11:15] <ikonia> sophia: the code looks like mplayer and your in the #mplayer channel too
[11:15] <ikonia> sophia: what code is this ?
[11:16] <sophia> firefox wrapper
[11:16] <ikonia> sophia: for what ?
[11:16] <knome> !offtopic
[11:16] <sophia> to play a video in firefox browser using SDL library
[11:16] <ikonia> sophia: if you give us details of what you're trying to do we can offer an end to end solution hopefully
[11:16] <ikonia> sophia: and your currently on xubuntu ?
[11:17] <Myrtti> doesn't mozilla-mplayer do that...?
[11:17]  * Myrtti doesn't know
[11:17] <ikonia> Myrtti: yes, I think it does
[11:17] <sophia> mine is gcc compiler problem so i m in xubuntu channel
[11:18] <ikonia> sophia: are you using xubuntu  ?
[11:18] <Myrtti> sophia: if mplayer can do it, and you want mplayer to be embedded in firefox, doesn't mozilla-mplayer already work?
[11:19] <sophia> i am using 32bit but why it is checking for (/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':
[11:19] <sophia> (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main')
[11:19] <ikonia> sophia: are you using #xubuntu ?
[11:20] <sophia> ya i am using xububtu
[11:20] <ikonia> sophia: can you show me the output of "uname -a" in a terminal please - then we can see what platform your on
[11:20] <sophia> ok
[11:20] <ikonia> sophia: there looks to be an out of the box solution for this
[11:21] <sophia> Linux kavitha-laptop 2.6.27-10-generic #1 SMP Fri Nov 21 12:00:22 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:21] <ikonia> sophia: ok - so if you open up the package manager of choice and search for mozilla-mplayer as Myrtti suggested, do you see it ?
[11:22] <sophia> let me check
[11:23] <ikonia> sophia: if you can see it - install it, someone in the channel can explain how if you can't see how as I've got to pop off for 15 minute
[11:25] <sophia> but i dont want mplayer now... i have mplayer mozilla browser and i am doing performace test of mplayer and ffwrapper
[11:26] <sophia> i have problem in compiling ffwrapper
[11:39] <lesshaste> hi all
[11:48] <sophia> ikonia:any idea?
[11:49] <sophia> anyone knows??
[11:49] <ikonia> sorry I thought you'd left
[11:50] <SiDi> Hi
[11:52] <sophia> or you know any player which uses SDL library?
[11:53] <lesshaste> anyone know how to use kexec to get kernel debugging info?
[12:10] <lesshaste> how do I change the set up to log me in automatically at boot time?
[12:11] <knome> !autologin
[12:12] <knome> lesshaste, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221302
[12:12] <lesshaste> thanks!
[13:01] <mandragora22> hi everyone do u know if there's a spanish speaking xubuntu channel
[13:03] <Odd-rationale> mandragora22: not for for xubuntu... but there is #ubuntu-es , they probably can help with most issues...
[13:03] <Odd-rationale> !es
[13:03] <mandragora22> yeah but they told me to come here and ask
[13:03] <mandragora22> or to go to Kubuntu chat room
[13:04] <mandragora22> which should have been a sort of joke
[13:04] <Odd-rationale> oh, i see... :(
[13:04] <Odd-rationale> well, there really isn't an xubuntu es channel...
[13:04] <mandragora22> did i say that i hate that bloody ubottu?
[13:05] <cody-somerville> ;]
[13:05] <mandragora22> i know... that's why i'm here to complicate my life out trying to fix my OS... lol
[13:06] <Myrtti> so, what problems do you have with xubuntu?
[13:06] <mandragora22> the point is that something happened to the menu panel
[13:06] <mandragora22> (xfce4-panel)
[13:07] <mandragora22> and it dissappear
[13:07] <Odd-rationale> !panel | mandragora22
[13:07] <mandragora22> (sorry for my english i know it sucks)
[13:07] <Myrtti> did it explode in flames? start bugging out its eyes and sing Italian opera? just disappeared? ok.
[13:07] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-panel
[13:07] <Myrtti> you can restart it
[13:07] <Odd-rationale> what happened!
[13:07] <Myrtti> hit alt-f2 and type xfce4-panel
[13:07] <Odd-rationale> !panels
[13:08] <Myrtti> Odd-rationale: someone set us up the bomb
[13:08] <Odd-rationale> there we go... :)
[13:08] <mandragora22> yeah, i've done it.
[13:08] <cody-somerville> oh cool!
[13:08] <cody-somerville> People are writing Xubuntu wiki help pages
[13:08] <Myrtti> @login
[13:08] <cody-somerville> @login
[13:08] <mandragora22> now it's back totally different it has the default icons and theme
[13:08] <cody-somerville> : (
[13:08] <Myrtti> !xfce4-panel
[13:08] <cody-somerville> !info xfce4-panel
[13:09] <mandragora22> wait guys wait
[13:09] <cody-somerville> mandragora22, That shouldn't happen unless you configuration didn't save
[13:09] <mandragora22> that's not my problem
[13:09] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: yeah, charlie-tca made the wiki page... i put it in the factiod...
[13:09] <cody-somerville> mandragora22, (they're just playing around with the bot)
[13:09] <mandragora22> don't know why it dissappeared... it jus did
[13:09]  * Myrtti moves to another channel to play
[13:09] <mandragora22> before it dissappear i was playing spore
[13:10] <mandragora22> could it make the menu panel unstable?
[13:10] <mandragora22> but which is worse now i can't logout
[13:11] <cody-somerville> mandragora22, You were playing spore?
[13:11] <cody-somerville> Is it a cool game?
[13:11] <mandragora22> not it takes quite too long
[13:11] <mandragora22> i suddenly got bored of it, just in time to find that i had no menu bar
[13:12] <mandragora22> actually
[13:12] <mandragora22> my PC became too slow, so i decide to reboot...
[13:13] <mandragora22> after it the menu was gone, then (and with some help) i could replace my beloved old bar for the default old bar
[13:13] <cody-somerville> I'm sorry :(
[13:13] <mandragora22> no no!
[13:13] <mandragora22> i can't log out
[13:13] <mandragora22> that the problem
[13:13] <mandragora22> the menu bar is not
[13:13] <cody-somerville> Press alt+f2
[13:14] <cody-somerville> then execute xfce4-panel
[13:14] <mandragora22> but it's running
[13:14] <mandragora22> now i do have a menu panel
[13:14] <cody-somerville> ok
[13:14] <Odd-rationale> mandragora22: hmm... one way you might force a logout is by pressing ctrl+alt+bkspc
[13:14] <mandragora22> i can't log out from my computer
[13:15] <mandragora22> yeah but i don't want a forced log out
[13:15] <mandragora22> i wnt to normally shut my PC down or restart or log out or what so ever i need....
[13:15] <mandragora22> i could even hold the power button for 5 sec and it will turn off
[13:16] <mandragora22> but i need my exit button
[13:17] <Odd-rationale> mandragora22: you can execute "sudo poweroff" in a terminal
[13:17] <charlie-tca> Does the button in Applications -> Log Out not work?
[13:17] <mandragora22> where can i paste what says when i try to leave xubuntu
[13:17] <Odd-rationale> !pastebin | mandragora22
[13:18] <mandragora22> i think it might be a compiz problem
[13:19] <mandragora22> couse everything is unthemed
[13:19] <mandragora22> but wait
[13:20] <cody-somerville> That sounds like a probable cause
[13:21] <mandragora22> http://paste.ubuntu.com/117245/
[13:22] <mandragora22> now im running terminal ill send another link
[13:22] <cody-somerville> mandragora22, it sounds like you need to start xfce4-session
[13:23] <mandragora22> http://paste.ubuntu.com/117247/
[13:23] <mandragora22> now see that
[13:27] <mandragora22> yeah in fact, now there's no emerald theme installed
[13:29] <mandragora22> and everytime i open a thunar window says that i'm acceding in a root account
[13:29] <mandragora22> (i may hurt my system)
[13:33] <mandragora22> ok no one will help me right?
[13:35] <alienkid> what do you need?
[13:36] <Odd-rationale> mandragora22: does "whoami" in a terminal return your username?
[13:36] <mandragora22> let me check
[13:37] <mandragora22> says root
[13:37] <Odd-rationale> not good....
[13:37] <mandragora22> but im not root
[13:37] <mandragora22> what had happened?
[13:37] <Odd-rationale> you should logout immediately... :)
[13:37] <mandragora22> yeah tell me so
[13:38] <Odd-rationale> or reboot...
[13:38] <alienkid> what if you type exit at a terminal
[13:38] <Odd-rationale> sudo reboot
[13:38] <mandragora22> im trying to log since i join this chatroom
[13:38] <mandragora22> the what?
[13:38] <mandragora22> then what?
[13:38] <mandragora22> what i should i do next?
[13:38] <Odd-rationale> mandragora22: then try to log back as your normal user...
[13:38] <alienkid> if you typed exit then type whoami
[13:39] <mandragora22> ok... ill b back to tell what happen
[13:39] <alienkid> ok
[14:03] <alienkid> Hello, Alenkid's brother speaking. I booted into Xubuntu, then opened firefox, then I was watching an os x tour video on youtuve and then when I un full-screened it and switched to "mozzila add-ons" to search for a darker ifox theme right when I was about to hit "i" on my keyboard it logged me out and restarted my computer, than I booted again, opened firefox, it crashed firefox, then I clicked the icon on my dock it was ab
[14:03] <alienkid> out to bounce(How I have it set for open animation.) and it logged me out and restarted, so then I booted again, at this point Alienkid came down and booted his, so I logged in etc. and it was fine besides the fact that it redid all my firefoz add-ons to default except fast dial and it changed my theme, so I carried on, un-installed iFox original and smooth, and looked for a new theme, then, I wanted to google to find one,
[14:03] <alienkid> and I couldn't search, so I clicked the search button, couldn't do that either, so I typed in the address bar "Google.com" and hit enter, didn't work, hit the button, didn't work, so I Xed it and tried to open again and it brought up the restore session thing, and it had artifacts all over it(Thing with my video card or some piece of hardware and Linux, happens when I switch workspaces too.) but it never went away. So I log
[14:03] <alienkid> ged out and it said my GDM couldn't be loaded and so we di a ctrl+alt+F1 on it and then learned it wanted an fsck, so now we're reinstalling. Any idea why it did the logout restart?
[14:07] <alienkid> I am back in control of this account now
[14:07] <alienkid> but I think he still wants help
[14:08] <alienkid> one thing he left out was it tried to fsck when we were go into recovery mode to xfix
[14:11] <alienkid> oh yeah we're using wubi
[14:11] <Myrtti> wubi - uh-oh
[14:12] <TheSheep> alienkid: do you have free disk space in you home partition?
[14:12] <alienkid> ?
[14:12] <alienkid> unknown
[14:12] <TheSheep> open a terminal and type 'df -h'
[14:14] <alienkid> Myrtti: why uh-oh?
[14:14] <alienkid> (it's all out parents trust us doing)
[14:14] <alienkid> can't anymore as he siad above "we're reinstalling"
[14:14] <alienkid> personal I think Linux hates him/his computer
[14:14] <alienkid> *personally
[14:15] <Myrtti> uh-oh, because wubi installations don't actually use the disk itself but use a loopback file that resides within the NTFS partition
[14:16] <Myrtti> "Any gotchas?" "Hibernation is not supported under Wubi, moreover Wubi filesystem is more vulnerable to hard-reboots (turning off the power) and power outages than a normal filesystem, so try to avoid unplugging the power. An Ubuntu installation to a dedicated partition provides a filesystem that is more robust and can better tolerate such events."
[14:16] <Myrtti> http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php
[14:17] <alienkid> yes I have read that before
[14:19] <alienkid> so we're reinstalling but I think he wants to know what could have cuased the logout and reboot
[14:24] <TheSheep> a crash of the X server, likely caused by some bug in the graphics drivers being used by compiz and/or AWN
[14:26] <alienkid> hes computer doesn't work with compiz(he tired last night, I didn't want him to)
[14:26] <TheSheep> you said something about jumping icons...
[14:27]  * TheSheep has to run
[14:28] <alienkid> so most likely becuase of using the compositor and AWN?
[14:31] <alienkid> yes he siad he has AWN set up so when an app is opening it's icon bounces up and down untill it opens
[14:33] <alienkid> how do you make it do that?(the "* TheSheep has to run")
[14:33] <Myrtti> /me does something
[14:33]  * Myrtti does something
[14:37] <alienkid> ok thanks for the help(I can't wait until we get him a new computer)
[15:21] <Joe-CNK> whats a good photo import app?
[15:21] <Joe-CNK> for my camera
[15:22] <ablomen> Joe-CNK, i use gthumb myself, works pretty good
[15:23] <Joe-CNK> ok
[15:23] <Joe-CNK> btw i really love xubuntu
[15:23] <Joe-CNK> much nicer
[15:29] <mandragora22> hi everyone
[15:29] <mandragora22> can anyone help me saving my computer?
[15:30] <mandragora22> anyone?
[15:30] <Joe-CNK> what you mean?
[15:31] <Joe-CNK> saving how like doing a backup?
[15:31] <mandragora22> since this mornig my menu bar dissappear
[15:33] <mandragora22> sorry
[15:33] <mandragora22> again
[15:33] <mandragora22> the menu bar does not start with the system
[15:33] <charlie-tca> !panel
[15:34] <mandragora22> not just panel, but session
[15:35] <mandragora22> when i run xfce-panel it comes again, but then when i close the terminal window it goes again...
[15:36] <Myrtti> erm
[15:36] <mandragora22> and what it's strager i can't log out or shut the computer down
[15:36] <Myrtti> that factoid mentions "press alt-f2 and type in xfce4-panel"
[15:36] <Myrtti> and it seems your session handling is somehow broken as well
[15:37] <mandragora22> yeah
[15:37] <charlie-tca> and if "press alt-f2 and type in xfce4-panel" does not work, it gives a wiki page to explain further
[15:38] <mandragora22> now i got a panel, but i also have a terminal window open with the command "xfce4-panel"
[15:38] <mandragora22> now i close that window, and figure this, the panel is gone
[15:38] <Myrtti> mandragora22: why do you have a terminal window open with the command xfce4-panel?
[15:38] <charlie-tca> did alt-f2 open a full terminal?
[15:38] <Myrtti> it shouldn't
[15:39] <mandragora22> no it didn't
[15:39] <Joe-CNK> probably just opened a terminal for that program so you can command it to stay put and such
[15:39] <mandragora22> now it's back in its place
[15:40] <mandragora22> but if i try to log out by clicking on the exit button it says that
[15:40] <mandragora22> wait where can i paste something?
[15:40] <Myrtti> !paste
[15:42] <mandragora22> you know som,ething strange firefox does not show the url address
[15:43] <mandragora22> ok here it is
[15:43] <mandragora22> pastebin.com/m7de545a
[15:44] <mandragora22> that's what says when i try to log out
[15:44] <Myrtti> yup
[15:44] <Joe-CNK> dude you might need to do a clean install you got issues lol
[15:44] <Joe-CNK> or use synaptic to remove firefox and reinstall it
[15:44] <Myrtti> erm.
[15:44] <Myrtti> clean install is about the last option
[15:45] <Myrtti> mandragora22: you could try the following
[15:46] <Myrtti> next time you reboot, don't login to the graphical environment, but move to the commandline TTY with alt-f1, and login there.
[15:47] <mandragora22> and then?
[15:47] <Myrtti> while logged in, make a backup copy of your xfce4-session information with moving it from /home/yourusername/.config/xfce4-session to, say /home/yourusername/.config/xfce4-session-backup
[15:48] <mandragora22> shall i do that in text mode?
[15:48] <Myrtti> yup
[15:49] <Myrtti> if you then return to the graphical login with alt-f7, you should be able to login and get a "clean" session - that is, all the session information you might have saved earlier has been cleared
[15:49] <mandragora22> mv /home/myusername/.config/xfce4-session /home/myusername/.config/xfce4-session-backup
[15:49] <mandragora22> ?
[15:50] <Myrtti> yup
[15:50] <Myrtti> replace the myusername with whatever it is
[15:51] <mandragora22> i mean that's the command move right :MV?
[15:51] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:52] <mandragora22> and shall i make the folder backup first? or when i type it it'll automatically create it?
[15:52] <mandragora22> (sorry 'bout this i'm too new in linux...)
[15:52] <Myrtti> well basically you moving it to a different name *is* the backup
[15:53] <mandragora22> wow so i can send it to my pictures folder and it'll b OK?
[15:53] <Myrtti> xfce4-session can't find directory with the original name anymore, so it creates one anew
[15:53] <mandragora22> wow
[15:54] <mandragora22> thanx a lot Myrtti
[15:54] <mandragora22> I'll b back to tell u
[15:54] <Myrtti> the beauty of linux systems - most of the configuration is saved in more or less plaintext files, which you can backup to normal media at will
[15:54] <Myrtti> s/linux/*nix/
[16:09] <Shadoweaver> My copy of xubuntu runs really slow and the input response time is a force to be reckoned with.  Can anyone help?
[16:12] <Shadoweaver> !support
[16:12] <Shadoweaver> !help
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Shadoweaver: how much memory and what is your cpu?
[16:16]  * charlie-tca asked the wrong thing?
[16:30] <likemindead> (1) Bought a new wireless router, (2) configured it, (3) my iPhone has no problems with it, (4) this computer has no problems via wired connection, but (5) my Xubuntu laptop isn't online even though I (6) restarted it and (7) triple checked the SSID & password.
[16:30] <likemindead> Help?
[16:33] <Myrtti> which wireless NIC do you have?
[16:33] <likemindead> Not sure. How do I check?
[16:34] <Myrtti> "sudo lshw -C network"
[16:34] <likemindead> I should also note that the laptop connects to the WiFi network, but there's just no juice.
[16:35] <likemindead> Okay, I've got that info on the laptop, what do I need to look at specifically? (Thank you!)
[16:36] <Myrtti> product and vendor information is always nice for a start :-)
[16:37] <likemindead> Ah. The wireless card is golden. I bought it off eBay and use it all the time. It's an Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG and it worked at home this morning.
[16:38] <Myrtti> likemindead: I assume you're running intrepid?
[16:38] <likemindead> Below the info for my wireless card there's a section that says "*-network DISABLED"
[16:38] <likemindead> Yes, I am.
[16:40] <Myrtti> try installing linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[16:40] <Myrtti> it should have a driver for that card of yours
[16:41] <likemindead> Hrm... the card has never had issues before. I use it all the time at home and on the previous router I had here at work. It's only now that I've setup this new router this morning that I can't connect, but I know the WiFi IS working b/c my iPhone is browsing. Grr...
[16:50] <Myrtti> hmmm
[16:50] <Myrtti> actually
[16:51] <Myrtti> NetworkManager has probably stored the MAC of your previous router
[16:51] <Myrtti> try removing that connection with right-clicking nm-applet, choosing Edit connections...
[16:57] <Myrtti> and then reconnecting
[17:07] <likemindead> I tried install Wicd to no avail... re-installing network-manager now...
[18:05]  * likemindead is away: Actually working...
[18:05] <tingle> how do i make a print screen in xubuntu? alt+print screen doesnt seem to work..
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Add the screenshooter to the panel and then click on it
[18:07] <charlie-tca> alternate idea: install Jaunty; it works in it, but don't install Jaunty if you can't have the system go down
[18:15] <Myrtti> or install scrot and bind printscr to using it
[18:24] <G-Bleezy> !scrot
[18:25] <Myrtti> !info scrot
[19:39] <lilkuz85> hey guys...i have a question about xubuntu on my xbox...is that supported here ?? i need to know how to config the ip address and dns settings and such
[19:41] <cody-somerville> Hi
[19:41] <ablomen> lilkuz85, assuming the ethernet card is supported, you can set the ip address etc in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:42] <cody-somerville> There is also the network settings
[19:42] <cody-somerville> Just run gnome-network-properties
[19:42] <lilkuz85> were is that located on the xbox ???
[19:42] <lilkuz85> can i run from shell ??
[19:42] <Myrtti> erm
[19:43] <zoredache> no
[19:43] <Myrtti> are you, or are you not running xubuntu?
[19:43] <ablomen> cody-somerville, ah yeah i was looking for that, isnt in the system menu anymore
[19:43] <cody-somerville> ablomen, I noticed that too
[19:43] <lilkuz85> i am running xubuntu i just installed it on my xbox...i had xdsl on here but i like ubuntu and this is really as close as it gets
[19:45] <ablomen> cody-somerville, where would that bug report go, xubuntu default settings?
[19:46] <cody-somerville> ablomen, no, I'm filing a bug again gnome-control-center
[19:46] <ablomen> ah ok :)
[19:47] <ablomen> cody-somerville, by the way, dunno if your only in jaunty now, it is the case in 8.10 too
[19:47] <cody-somerville> Okay.
[19:47]  * cody-somerville has filed a bug.
[19:52] <lilkuz85> man this is weird...the keyboard is a lil off from regular ubuntu....the - keydosent work and the / key makes the -, whats up with that ???
[19:53] <forces> saluton
[19:55] <rhavenn> what would cause synaptic to not show all packages in a search, but apt-cache search finds them? specifically, libdvdcss and opera were the latest 2..i added the repositories in sourses.list.d directory
[19:56] <rhavenn> *sources.list.d
[19:56] <lilkuz85> can anyone tell me if their is a guide for xubuntu on the xbox ??
[19:56] <slow-motion> hi
[19:56] <SiDi> lilkuz85: probably not. about your keyboard you need to get the good keyboard layout
[19:56] <SiDi> and if you find none that is good for your keyboard you may have to edit it manually
[19:56] <zoredache> lilkuz85: google seems to think this looks good http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/XUbuntu
[19:57] <lilkuz85> zoredache, ive been there...not much on how to set this up...it really didnt give much of an install guide...i had to figure it out on my own
[20:18] <lilkuz85> this is really messed up...i cant figure out how to change the keyboard layout because i cant type in terminal with the way its set right now...
[20:24] <G-Blunted> how can i save my current xfce session as the default, without logging out?
[20:55] <ablomen> wooh im on jaunty \o/
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I like jaunty! Please make sure any bugs you find get reported.
[21:02] <ablomen> yeah i will :)
[21:03] <ablomen> first impressions are good :) *knocks on wood)
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I have been running it for over 1 month already
[21:06] <ablomen> oh, no major problems?
[21:09] <ablomen> charlie-tca, btw, are bugs like
[21:10] <charlie-tca> Welllll, it hasn't been down more than a day
[21:10] <ablomen> the nvidia driver not updating from 17* to 180 and the updating process changing resolv.conf, bugs worth mentioning
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Sound disappeared for a week, and I don't run compiz
[21:11] <charlie-tca> They are filed already.
[21:11] <ablomen> ah ok :)
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I think I saw something about the nvidia177 driver being discontinued?
[21:12] <ablomen> yeah i think 180 is the replacement
[21:12] <ablomen> it works for my card anyway
[21:12] <knome> sounds logical :P
[21:12] <ablomen> even dual-head, which is nice :)
[21:12] <charlie-tca> great :-)
[21:13] <ablomen> knome, lol
[21:14] <ablomen> hmm, nice new tasty features :) like the new configuration stuff
[21:32] <ablomen> hmm ok first "problem" does anybody know how to switch from vdesktops when scrolling on the desktop in jaunty?
[21:43] <G-Blunted> !jaunty
[21:43] <ablomen> G-Blunted, ah thanks
[21:44] <G-Blunted> lol i was just wondering what Jaunty was....you're welcome though :)
[21:59] <Myrtti> atleast the ubuntu naming scheme has some sense in it
[22:00] <Myrtti> alphabetical order rocks
[22:01] <zoredache> I wonder what 'q' will be
[22:20] <knome> my fav for jaunty+1 is 'kinky kitten', but i doubt that will go through.
[22:22] <TheSheep> kittens are not herd animals...
[22:24] <knome> do they have to be? :P
[22:35] <titan_ark> hey :)
[22:35] <knome> 'lo
[22:35] <titan_ark> hey knome
[22:36] <titan_ark> was at the ubuntu channel and ws suggested to try xubuntu cos i am unable to install ubuntu 8.10 on my dinosaur of a PC
[22:37] <knome> titan_ark, how much ram do you have?
[22:37] <titan_ark> knome 256MB
[22:37] <titan_ark> i tried the wubi installer and it dint work
[22:37] <knome> ok... what went wrong?
[22:37] <titan_ark> then i tried booting from the live disc tht reached a black screen
[22:38] <titan_ark> using wubi? well after trying to copy the files it said i am 3 MB short than 256 and the installation was cancelled
[22:40] <zoredache> 3mb short of what?  disk space or?
[22:40] <titan_ark> 3mb short on RAM, sorry :P
[22:41] <zoredache> did you actually get the boot screen when you tried to boot off the cd?
[22:42] <titan_ark> yes i got the boot screen after selecting the language, i selected to "install ubuntu" and then it went to a screen where it was showing a status with the orange bar probably trying to load the files
[22:42] <titan_ark> then it hit a black screen
[22:42] <titan_ark> with the mouse pointer only!
[22:43] <zoredache> you might want to give the alternate install cd a shot...
[22:43] <titan_ark> hmm okay. i am presently downloading it
[22:43] <titan_ark> hope it works
[22:43] <charlie-tca> Was that the xubuntu or ubuntu cd?
[22:43] <titan_ark> on the ubuntu channel i was suggested to try xubuntu
[22:43] <titan_ark> it was an ubuntu 8.10 live disc
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Yes, but if you ubuntu alternate cd instead of xubuntu cd, it still may not install
[22:44] <zoredache> are you sure you have 256mb of RAM available for the OS?  Some onboard-video devices like to steal some of your RAM
[22:44] <charlie-tca> if you download the
[22:44] <titan_ark> charlie oh :( i thought il give it a try since it said its for systems with less than 256MB RAM
[22:45] <charlie-tca> You need to use the Xubuntu cd instead
[22:45] <zoredache> !lowmem
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu cd will install in 192MB
[22:45] <titan_ark> zoredache yes i do. atleast windows says i do. been using this dino for 6 yrs now :P
[22:46] <titan_ark> ubottu yes i saw the 1st link sometime back
[22:46] <titan_ark> :S
[22:47] <titan_ark> well since i have started the alternate cd download i might rather complete it and give it a try
[22:47] <titan_ark> shall try xubuntu if it doesnt work
[22:48] <titan_ark> had another query,
[22:48] <titan_ark> does xubuntu also provide the same ease of creating a dual boot as ubuntu?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> yes, but uses less resources for the installation and while running it
[22:49] <zoredache> xubuntu|ubuntu use pretty much an identical installer...  The alternate installer is a bit tricker to get the dual-boot going
[22:50] <titan_ark> charlie oh okay :) thats nice to hear
[22:50] <titan_ark> zoredache, oh! for a n00b id rather not try that now!
[22:51] <titan_ark> been itching to try out linux for quite a while and its just not happening :P
[22:51] <SirEel> um, this may sound like a useless thing to want to do, but my laptop has three pointing devices, and i want to set just one of them to left-handed, how can i do this?
[22:52] <knome> SirEel, looks like a place for xorg.conf editing. don't ask how, though.
[22:52] <SirEel> humm... that could be a problem. my xorg.conf has everything set to default i believe... i don't think it even acknowledges that i have more than one pointing device...
[23:00] <charlie-tca> SirEel: I don't have a laptop, but can that be done through gsynaptics?
[23:01] <SirEel> i have no idea
[23:01] <charlie-tca> You can install gsynaptics and use it to change the touchpad, I think.
[23:01] <SirEel> i'll take a look
[23:01] <charlie-tca> In 8.10, the touchpad is controlled by HAL, instead of xorg, I believe
[23:02] <titan_ark> another query, any precautions i must take to ensure i dont lose my windows boot load menu?
[23:03] <zoredache> windows boot menu?
[23:03] <titan_ark> i think we call it grub, am not sure
[23:03] <SirEel> running gsynaptics gives me an error
[23:04] <SirEel> it reads: "GSynaptics couldn't initialise. You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics"
[23:05] <zoredache> titan_ark: are you already doing multi-booting?
[23:06] <titan_ark> zoredache, when i bought this PC it had an xp and 98 dual boot but i faced some trouble while cleaning up my system and reistalling xp after a virus attack, so i stil get 2 options to select on booting
[23:07] <titan_ark> but i actually run only 1 os now :P
[23:07] <titan_ark> there is this way of editing it out bout i dint want to risk it as i am not sure to go abt it
[23:09] <zoredache> titan_ark: if it is using the winxp bootload, then the configuration won't be changed.  But you'll have another boot loader in front of that.  If you decide to get rid of linux you'll need to run fixmbr to undo the change
[23:11] <titan_ark> zoredache: okay. so for now if i install xubuntu i wont face any trouble?
[23:11] <titan_ark> i had tried installing redhat a long time ago and then ended up with  my whole HDD turning into a non dos partition
[23:11] <titan_ark> dont want to risk that now
[23:11] <charlie-tca> SirEel: here is some help on it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[23:14] <SirEel> cheers
[23:18] <zoredache> you shouln't face any trouble, but that doesn't mean you won't.  I personally think you should make a backup of any important data if you haven't already
[23:20] <titan_ark> zoredache, okay :)
[23:20] <titan_ark> is this from where i can DL xubuntu?
[23:20] <titan_ark> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.10/release/xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[23:20] <titan_ark> i had started the DL but it got cancelled just now :(
[23:22] <charlie-tca> I´d get it here: http://xubuntu.org/get or there, either one
[23:22] <titan_ark> okay thx :)
[23:23] <titan_ark> 2 hrs to complete the DL :(
[23:24] <zoredache> you might have better luck with bittorrent.  Plus, a download can't really fail part way through
[23:25] <titan_ark> i am facing some trouble with utorrent. it says i aint getting incomming connections!
[23:25] <titan_ark> some port forwarding problem
[23:26] <titan_ark> and in the guide to forward the port my modem isnt listed :P
[23:28] <titan_ark> they havent listed torrents for xubuntu 8.10
[23:28] <titan_ark> on the site?
[23:29] <zoredache> they are their somewhere, it is just tricker to find
[23:29] <titan_ark> oh okay on the sites i guess :P
[23:29] <titan_ark> also another n00b question: what is the diff between 8.10 and .04 besides a long term support?
[23:29] <zoredache> if you click the link for one of the mirrors, you'll get a list of files, a couple will be the .torrent files
[23:30] <titan_ark> oh okay il try tht
[23:30] <titan_ark> thx
[23:30] <zoredache> one is 6 months newer
[23:30] <titan_ark> okay
[23:30] <zoredache> a few newer packages, and features
[23:32] <titan_ark> okay :)
[23:33] <titan_ark> hope am not asking for toomuch, but would u be able to suggest where i can get some help on opening the port
[23:34] <SirEel> charlie-tca, i got the same error again, after following that page
[23:40] <charlie-tca> I have no other ideas. As I said, I do not have a portable system, and never used gsynaptics. What about setting 'SHMConfig' 'true'?
[23:41] <fortunev> what is the command to start a command terminal
[23:41] <charlie-tca> SirEel: you could also ask in #ubuntu
[23:42] <SirEel> charlie-tca, the problem with setting SHMConfig to true is that there isn't a section for the pointer in the xorg.conf
[23:42] <charlie-tca> fortunev: alt+f2
[23:42] <SirEel> which is something i should probably fix...
[23:43] <charlie-tca> you can add it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[23:43] <charlie-tca> might be a better reference
[23:43] <fortunev> charlie-tca: that is brining up a run dialog. what is the command for a terminal
[23:44] <charlie-tca> "xfce4-terminal" in Xubuntu
[23:45] <charlie-tca> no quotes
[23:45] <fortunev> ahhh... thanks!
[23:45] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:45] <knome> charlie-tca, do you have any idea why my mail filters are not working on thunderbird?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I don't, knome. I use claws-mail
[23:46] <knome> :<
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I haven't seen anything on that, either
[23:47] <knome> seems it is the custom header filters.
[23:48] <knome> the filters seem to work also on *new* messages.
[23:48] <knome> but i can't get existing messages filtered, even if i run the filters manually.
[23:50] <charlie-tca> weird
[23:51]  * charlie-tca don't like that word - it looks wrong
[23:51] <knome> i remember having exact same behaviour earlier.
[23:52] <charlie-tca> filters should act on both new and existing messages. Maybe you have to select all the messages in the folder first
[23:52] <charlie-tca> then filter on selected messages?
[23:52] <knome> i know.
[23:52] <knome> hmmh.
[23:52] <knome> no luck.
[23:53] <Itacious> Hey all, I have xfce set up with a 48px panel, iconbox, etc. (a la Windows 7). I have just discovered (or rediscovered) that the xfce tray supports multiple columns, so now the icons aren't huge (YES!). But, if I put the standard xfce volume applet down there, it blows up to 48x48px. So, in short, does anybody know of a package that is a volume manger(?) for the system tray? Thanks in advance.
[23:53] <charlie-tca> This new keyboard I bought doesn't seem to spell any better than my old one...
[23:54] <knome> charlie-tca, apparently this is the solution: http://turbulentsky.com/thunderbird-run-now-filters-fail-on.html
[23:54] <Lucifer_Cat> hey guys, quick Q: do Ubuntu and Xubuntu differ in any way other than the Gnome/XFCE thing?
[23:55] <knome> Lucifer_Cat, a bit different default set of applications.
[23:55] <zoredache> Lucifer_Cat: a few apps here and there,
[23:55] <Lucifer_Cat> as in, are there any other packages there in ubuntu presinstalled that arent in xubuntu?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> knome: one more reason to stay with claws-mail, maybe
[23:55] <Lucifer_Cat> oh ok
[23:55] <Lucifer_Cat> thanks
[23:55] <knome> Lucifer_Cat, but the core system is the same
[23:55] <zoredache> Lucifer_Cat: every package in either can be installed in the other
[23:55] <knome> charlie-tca, thunderbird is the only client that has reasonable support for features i need
[23:56] <Lucifer_Cat> knome: yes. i was just writing a script that would install certain packages into a fresh install
[23:56] <Lucifer_Cat> i am working according to the xubuntu config, but i guess theres prolly a way to check if those are installed already
[23:57] <charlie-tca> I see. I need to find a good calendar program yet. Seems evolution has the one that worked the best for me.
[23:57] <zoredache> have you tried using the 'run filters on folder'?
[23:57] <knome> zoredache, yes. it doesn't work
[23:57] <knome> zoredache, but it works now as i followed the workaround described in the link i posted.
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Lucifer_Cat: If we installed all the gnome packages, we would be the same as them
[23:58] <charlie-tca> That is what makes Xubuntu work on older hardware
[23:58] <zoredache> ah, I didn't see your link
[23:58] <Lucifer_Cat> charlie-tca: hmmm.
[23:59] <Lucifer_Cat> charlie-tca: i agree. but i still need to install things like sshd and openvlc and flash etc to make my system accessible/usable. to cut down the time next time, im writing a script that should do all that stuff for me.