[00:18] <shtylman> Riddell: I have changed over to KIcon
[00:30] <vorian> neversfelde: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu
[00:30] <neversfelde> vorian: thanks and I love kubuntu :)
[00:30] <vorian> :)
[00:34] <Riddell> shtylman: lovely
[00:44] <neversfelde> nhandler: so you consider to do a build in ppa for new upstream releases and mention it in the bug report?
[00:44] <ryanakca> Does anybody know who the sysadmins in charge of the wiki are?
[00:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: Ng?  I'm not sure
[00:44] <vorian> isn't it newz2000?
[00:45] <Riddell> he's not a sysadmin
[00:45] <vorian> hm
[00:45] <ryanakca> vorian: Don't think so, he had to bug the sysadmins for a... period of time... to get a small HTML fix (get rid of the obsolete tabs in the current wiki theme) in...
[00:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks, I'll try poking him
[00:46] <nhandler> neversfelde: I asked for the PPA build simply because I don't have a pbuilder chroot available right now. But it never hurts to mention in the bug report that it builds in a PPA and provide a link
[00:54] <_neversfelde> ahh
[00:54] <_neversfelde> my isp, re
[00:56] <shtylman> whats the best way to test a new plasma widget without a system wide install of the widget? can I run the plasmoid viewer locally or specify a search path?
[00:58] <neversfelde> nhandler: thanks, I will incroporate your info in the future, thanks a lot
[00:59] <shtylman> Riddell: GTK fronend parity? would that be the next best step?
[00:59] <Riddell> shtylman: possibly plugins can be installed to any directory in  kde4-config --path lib
[00:59] <Riddell> shtylman: load up the gtk frontend and see what's different
[01:01] <shtylman> Riddell: are we trying to look the same or just provide the same features?
[01:02] <Riddell> shtylman: same features
[01:03] <Riddell> well, look much the same too, within the normal gnome/kde style differences
[01:03] <Riddell> shtylman: I believe the timezone map has changed in the gnome one, that's probably quite hard to do though
[01:03] <Riddell> shtylman: the language selection page might have changed too
[01:05] <shtylman> Riddell: ok, I will take a look at the differences and compare/contrast then we can look at what we wanna and can realistically pull I suppose
[01:06] <Riddell> shtylman: excellent :)
[01:07] <Riddell> shtylman: self.userinterface.setWindowIcon(KIcon("ubiquity.png"))  no final .png needed?
[01:07] <Riddell> shtylman: you kept the  #os.setegid(1000)  commented out?
[01:10] <txwikinger> Good morning Riddell... still up?
[01:13] <Riddell> txwikinger: briefly
[01:13] <txwikinger> :D
[01:23] <shtylman> Riddell: thanks for the .png catch and I took out the os.setegid and changed it to drop_privileges from the ubiquity library, hopefully that fix won't mess with the rest of the installer
[01:38] <shtylman> who do I talk to about the default keyboard shortcuts for kwin? is that a kubuntu thing or a kde thing?
[01:38] <seele> kde
[01:38] <seele> we dont change the defaults
[01:38] <shtylman> k, thanks
[02:15] <vorian> ScottK: art thou about?
[02:15] <ScottK> Just returned.
[02:16] <vorian> care to look at a small rebuild? (of a large package)
[02:16] <ScottK> vorian: Which and why?
[02:17] <vorian> we have a new soprano, kdebase-runtime should be rebuilt
[02:18] <vorian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redland/+bug/317271
[02:18] <ScottK> Did the ABI change?
[02:18] <ScottK> Is the rebuilding the bug fix or was the soprano upload the bug fix?
[02:18] <vorian> nevermind, the soprano did
[02:18] <vorian> sorry for the ping
[02:19] <ScottK> No problem.
[02:22] <ScottK> Anyone fixing the kdeedu FTBFS?
[02:22] <vorian> i can looks at it
[02:22] <ScottK> OK.  Looks easy enough to deal with.
[02:23]  * ScottK is feeling poorly tonight.
[02:23] <vorian> :/
[02:24] <vorian> ScottK: yeah, should be easy enough
[03:48] <vorian> Python: KDE Python support <http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Python>
[03:48] <vorian> Needed for Python bindings to the marble widget.
[03:48] <vorian> would this be anything other thank python-kde-dev?
[04:36] <ScottK> That's the KDE3 one, isn't it?
[05:50] <a|wen> Riddell: FYI, kdeedu failed to build with the marble changes you introduced, dh_install can't find debian/tmp//usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/marble.so
[05:50] <ScottK> a|wen: vorian was looking at a fix.
[05:50] <a|wen> perfect :)
[05:50] <ScottK> I didn't hear from him if he got done.
[05:51] <a|wen> a man on the job, is a good start though
[05:55] <ScottK> a|wen: So it looks like we'll have a complete KDE stack on Power PC soon too.
[05:55] <a|wen> it starts looking really good with the ports
[05:56] <ScottK> The sparc and ia64 kernels got fixed today, so they're next.
[05:56] <a|wen> maybe I should considers installing jaunty/lpia on my eee (intel atom) soon
[05:57] <ScottK> a|wen: What do you have on there now?
[05:58] <ScottK> rgreening was saying the same about his acer.  Perhaps you two could collaborate on some how-to.
[05:58] <a|wen> it's my stock-intrepid, with 4.1.4 though ... so i'll at least wait till 4.1.4 is out of proposed
[05:58] <ScottK> OK.
[05:58] <ScottK> Did we already discuss do you have a USB printer?
[06:01] <ScottK> Any idea what mips64 is in?  I saw a reference to bootstrapping mips64 on #ubuntu-devel earlier today.
[06:02] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like plasma-widget-quickaccess ended up in Universe on amd64, but not on i386 ....
[06:06] <a|wen> ScottK: no printer closer than 3,5K miles :/ ... but yeah, we need to find a tester
[06:07] <ScottK> I just remembered I have a broken usb printer.  It won't print, but I wonder if it would still get reconized ....
[06:09] <ScottK> And I could even find it ....
[06:09]  * ScottK tests.
[06:12] <a|wen> :)
[06:27] <ScottK> I think it's a no test.  It found the printer, but didn't pop-up, which is bad, but it appears to be a obscure model we don't have a ppd for, so I suspect the lack of pop-up is appropriate.
[06:31] <a|wen> it needs some kind of ppd to auto-detect afaik
[06:35] <ScottK> I deleted it and tried to add it manually and there was no ppd for the model in question when I looked.
[06:44] <ScottK> vorian: The build-dep you were looking for was python-kde4-dev.  You might want to look into indi too.  It didn't seem to find that.
[06:48] <jussi01> Hrm, getting an Error on boot in jaunty, still loads, but is this a bug? "ata6: SRST failed: err no 16"
[06:50] <ScottK> Does Mr. Google have anything to say about it?
[06:51] <jussi01> a little, trying to make sense of it, so asking also ;) - most of the stuff here is ancient though
[06:52] <ScottK> I suspect it is a bug, but I've no idea if it's enough of one to care.
[06:53] <jussi01> looks like it might be just a module blacklist needed
[06:54] <jussi01> yeah, this seems to be the same issue: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/printthread.php?t=169283
[07:14] <shtylman> Riddell: I did some more work on the ubiquity installer (took screencaps of the gtk one and the kde one to compare...will post those at some point) I pushed to launchpad although it is still a work in progress I changed the timezone map to the one the gtk guys use and you can click timezone, also changed the advance dialog field for the grub location to a combo box again as the gnome guys have it
[07:16] <ScottK> jussi01: Yeah, if you've got that controller it sounds like.
[07:16] <ScottK> Personally I think if you have to manually blacklist something there is a bug, but I'm not sure on exactly what.
[08:21] <Sput> Riddell: ever tried the latest quassel package witih qt 4.5?
[08:24] <jussi01> speaking of which, do we have a qt 4.5 package somewhere?
[08:24]  * jussi01 waves at Sput
[08:38] <Lure> jussi01: rgreening had some in his PPA, but not sure about the quality
[08:39] <jussi01> Lure: ahh, thanks, Ill ask him about it when he is around :)
[08:40] <Lure> jussi01: I tried it the same day he created it, but there was this kdm regression, so I switched back and did not try afterwards
[08:46] <jussi01> Lure: if  you put your nickserv pass as the server password in quassel, itll identify before you hit the channels ;)
[08:48] <Lure> jussi01: under ServerInfo? will try that...
[08:48] <jussi01> Lure: yep
[08:52] <Lure> jussi01: seems to work! so then I do not need Auto Identify at all?
[08:53] <jussi01> ;)
[08:53] <Lure> jussi01: thanks
[08:53]  * Lure does another try w/o auto identify...
[09:23]  * Sput waves at jussi01
[09:24] <jussi01> heya Sput
[09:35] <Riddell> Sput: no I've not tried qt 4.5 recently
[09:37] <Sput> Riddell: ah ok... if you have a chance, please let me know. we have changed something that we believe could make it work, but I have no way to test currently
[09:59] <Riddell> do we have a recent quassel?
[10:02] <Riddell> 0.4.0~git090211 seems recent
[10:02] <Sput> yeah, that should have the 4.5 fix
[10:03] <Sput> the *supposed* fix
[10:08] <Riddell> kdeedu is getting far too big
[10:08] <Nightrose> Riddell: MoDaX was already complaining to tackat about that
[10:09] <Nightrose> afair he promised to split some stuff
[10:09] <Nightrose> but no idea if and when he'll do that
[10:17] <Riddell-quassel> Sput: seems to be working
[10:17] <Sput> \o/
[10:17] <Sput> that's very good news
[10:17] <Sput> thank god EgS remembered that TTlabs blog entry
[10:18] <Riddell-quassel> ooh, it's got a toolbar
[10:18] <Sput> thanks for testing that out :)
[10:53]  * EgS feels highlighted
[10:54] <EgS> oh that's great news!
[10:54] <jussi01> Riddell-quassel: is that rgreening 4.5 package ok?  reasonably usable?
[11:03] <Riddell> jussi01: seems to be
[11:04] <jussi01> might give it a go then :)
[11:34] <Sput> jussi01: and tell me if that quassel package works for you too then!
[12:06] <Tonio_> hi there :)
[12:07] <ghostcube> hi
[13:22] <seele> Sput: ping
[13:24] <seele> ScottK-desktop: is 0211 the latest quassel in your ppa?
[13:34] <Sput> seele: pong
[13:37] <seele> Sput: i'm wondering if i have an older quassel so it might not matter
[13:37] <Sput> seele: well, what's the issue?
[13:38] <seele> Sput: were you guys still working on getting a channel selected in the list by default?
[13:38] <Sput> (2/11 should be the latest PPA build afaik)
[13:38] <Sput> seele: yes
[13:38] <Sput> that is still on the list
[13:38] <seele> also, i saw people talking about grabbing the username too instead of just quassel
[13:38] <seele> ok
[13:38] <Sput> that is already done
[13:38] <Sput> but does not work on some kubuntu systems, bugfix pending :)
[13:38] <seele> also, what about opening the network dialog on first start so the user can configure/connect immediately?
[13:38] <seele> hah figures
[13:39] <Sput> well, I am thinking about this - there already is a network configured by default, so I don't see that making sense too much
[13:39] <Sput> and for connecting there now is a shiny toolbar button saying "Connect"
[13:40] <Sput> or would it make sense to pop up the dialog in any case, so users have an urge to double-check the defaults work for them?
[13:41] <seele> Sput: i'm just thinking about the first time connecting ever, not subsequent use..
[13:41] <Sput> yes
[13:41] <Sput> seele: so you'd think even with a default network and channel pre-defined, it'd make sense to open the network dialog on first run?
[13:42]  * Sput is not opposed, just undecided :)
[13:42] <seele> Sput: it will only make connecting easier i think
[13:42] <Sput> true that
[13:42] <seele> after the user has connected once, it might not be necessary
[13:42] <Sput> if something pops into the user's face
[13:42] <Sput> after that, quassel will auto-reconnect anyway :)
[13:42] <seele> especially since the user might not be a keen on irc, remember we use irc as a support mechanism
[13:43] <Sput> actually we could make quassel automatically connect on first run too, but I think that would be too drastic
[13:43] <Sput> users might not like going online without clicking, especially if they don't know the program
[13:43] <seele> yes, i think regular irc users wouldnt appreciate that
[13:44] <seele> so maybe still use the Configure Networks dialog, but instead of Ok and Cancel, we have Connect and Close
[13:44] <seele> (or Close and Connect.. hmm)
[13:45] <Sput> hmm, I think OK and Cancel are important for HIG though
[13:45] <Sput> but we can add a nice shiny extra button somewhere
[13:45] <Sput> we used to have that "Connect Now" button, the code is still there even
[13:47] <seele> OK Cancel are for the configuration dialog, but if you use it as a connect now dialog, the buttons will be different
[13:48] <seele> it doesnt make sense that OK would connect. you would want a button that says Connect. at the same time, you wouldnt need an OK button in that case, because what does OK do?
[13:48] <seele> so it's almost the same dialog, but not. specifically it is a connection dialog instead of a config dialol
[13:48] <seele> that is, if you want to do it that way
[13:48] <Sput> hmmmm... within the settings dialog, a connect now button would keep the dialog open and connect in the background
[13:49] <seele> why would it keep it open? maybe i dont understand how the dialog works
[13:49] <Sput> (which leads to another host of problems, such as that the settings first need to be applied before connecting, so we disabled that functionality for now)
[13:49] <seele> i just thought you could use the same dialog design so you dont have to replicate too much code
[13:49] <Sput> if used stand-alone, it could be quite elegant to do it like this
[13:49] <Sput> yes
[13:49] <Sput> I like that idea
[13:49] <Sput> take the UI, put it in a standalone container, use a Connect button rather than OK, apply + connect automatically
[13:50] <Sput> plus a neat little checkbox "[ ] Don't show again"
[13:50] <seele> sounds like you got it :)
[13:50] <Sput> k
[13:50]  * Sput updates tracking bug
[13:52] <Sput> seele: thx for that inspiration, I kept thinking about how to do that elegantly for a while now :)
[13:52] <seele> i'm here to help :)
[14:39] <Lure> Riddell: one MIR looks ok (bug 325858), not sure what In progress means (and who does something now)
[14:39] <Lure> opencv one need more work (I need to backport some warning fixes from SVN)
[14:45] <a|wen> Riddell: our arts-removal is almost done: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RemoveArts ... but we have some binary package removals left; is that something you can handle
[14:47] <Riddell> a|wen: can do if there's a list
[14:47] <Riddell> Lure: I can promote to main if you need me to
[14:48] <Lure> Riddell: not sure if this is what "In progress status
[14:48] <Lure> means
[14:49] <Riddell> Lure: I think asac is just waiting for a final ack from kees
[14:49] <a|wen> Riddell: all the packages on that wiki-page marked with "needs binary package removal" ... or in short all on that page ending in -arts
[14:49] <Lure> Riddell: ok
[14:50]  * Lure has added digikam to Todo list to make status transparent
[14:51] <Lure> is there any progress on k3b front? do we have it in some ppa to play with?
[14:51]  * Lure notices that k3b is not on the Todo list
[14:52] <Riddell> tonio has a version in his PPA, it didn't burn DVDs for me
[14:53]  * Lure checks if something new was committed in SVN
[15:04] <ScottK> It's in rgreening's PPA.
[15:04]  * ScottK no notices that was 6 hours ago.
[15:04] <ScottK> no/now.
[15:20] <shtylman_> Riddell: I am working on the timezone map of the installer. Besides looking at the JauntyUbiquityUsabiliy page, are there other things I should think about?
[15:24] <Riddell> shtylman_: ask evand, he's the guy doing the gtk side
[15:25] <shtylman_> Riddell: k, thanks
[17:59] <seele> Nightrose: i'm using neon but i dont know how to start amarok2, the menu item is linked to 1. any ideas?
[18:00] <Nightrose> seele: it should have its own menu entry
[18:01] <Nightrose> it should be called amarok nightly
[18:01] <seele> ah hah i see now
[18:01] <seele> duh
[18:34] <Riddell> http://www.osattack.com/windows-7/kubuntu-could-make-it-big-if-they-spin-it-right/  "KDE is simple and just needs that media attention to bring it into customers hands."  goodness
[18:35] <Riddell> Nightrose: how come amarok doesn't use nepomuk for its rankings?
[18:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: iirc nepomuk wasn't ready yet to be used as a collection
[18:39]  * Riddell fixes plasma-widget-quickaccess override to main
[18:50] <rgreening> Tonio_: ping
[19:00] <colomar> hi
[19:03] <Sime> Riddell: you got the python bindings in kde-edu compiled?
[19:10] <ScottK> Riddell: I got sbeatie assigned an action to try and verify the 4.1.4 printer fix at the release team meeting.
[19:18] <seele> colomar: rgreening has been working on kpackage kit. i believe he added an extra tab to search by applications instead of packages
[19:18] <seele> not sure what he's working on next though
[19:18] <seele> hopefully the search ui :)
[19:19] <rgreening> seele: that patch is still in dev
[19:19] <rgreening> I have the basics worked out. the part I am stuck on is how to use the app-install-data desktop files to generate the list instead of listing all packages.
[19:20] <rgreening> that's my current priority seele
[19:20] <colomar> rgreening: Thanks for working on that. Do you think it may be possible to get kpackagekit ready for users in time for jaunty?
[19:20] <ScottK> We kind of have to.
[19:21] <rgreening> If someone can assist me I can provide the current patch to look at
[19:21] <rgreening> what I need is help in the app-install-data bit
[19:22] <rgreening> Does gnome have this bit working in their packagekit yet?
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> I believe that Adept scans the app-install-data directory for the .desktop files, and sorts them by the categories inside them
[19:25] <ScottK> I haven't looked at the code, but based on having tried Adept, I'm sure however it's done there is the slowest way possible.
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the UI does hang for a bit in Adept
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> mm, but Adept uses xapian extensively to do its thing...
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, it uses it for updating the model while searching
[19:44] <Riddell> Sime: yes, they're in jaunty
[19:44] <Riddell> Sime: I can put an intrepid package in my PPA if that's useful
[19:44] <Sime> Riddell: cool, no ppa for intrepid?
[19:45] <Sime> oh, I mean, yes please.
[19:49] <a|wen> do we want a new upstream release of kde4-style-qtcurve packed for jaunty?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> I think somebody has a package prepared, but we want the soure package to be changed to kde-style
[19:51] <a|wen> and the old kde-style-qtcurve shuffled out, i suppose... that makes sense
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> bug 323848
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, it definitely should be kde-style
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> vorian: have you pinged the qtcurve updater back yet?
[19:53] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i can
[19:54] <ScottK> There's a draft Debian document on naming we ought to follow.
[19:54] <ScottK> I don't remember exactly what it says on these.
[19:55] <Sime> Riddell: packages for intrepid will be useful when I blog sometime about marble/python.
[20:07] <Riddell> Sime: I uploaded to my ~jr PPA (which also needs people to use ~kubuntu-experimental), should appear in an hour or so all being well
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: were you going to push the flash prompt patch to kdelibs or should I?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> I'm thinking the full-blown wizard will have to wait for jaunty+1
[21:01] <ScottK> Riddell: So looks like 4.1.4 is fully verified now.  Now we just need someone to copy it over ....
[21:05] <Lure> ScottK: I think we both know one guy that could do that, right? ;-)
[21:06] <ScottK> Well he has the power.  Dunno if he has the authority.
[21:06] <ScottK> It can wait until Monday for pitti to do it.
[21:07] <ghostcube> can packages only be pushed if ubuntu people confirm this ?
[21:07] <ghostcube> only for info :)
[21:08] <ScottK> For released versions like Intrepid there is a strict verification process.
[21:08] <ghostcube> ah ok :)
[21:08] <ScottK> The process and the people who do it are the same regardless of which *buntu we are discussing.
[21:09] <ghostcube> aha so only a QA team
[21:09] <ScottK> Basically.
[21:09] <ghostcube> ok :) thx
[21:17] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: if you have time, push it
[21:18] <Lure> Riddell: kees approved bug 325858
[21:18] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: do you have the latest?
[21:18] <ScottK> Lure: So it just needs to be seeded?
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I think so, but it'd probably be best for you to send me the latest just in case
[21:19] <Lure> ScottK: yep - digikam rc2 (due on Sunday) will depend on it
[21:19] <Lure> ScottK: I will prepare the package on Sunday
[21:19] <ScottK> OK.  Let me look....
[21:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you got the one I emailed with the .kdesu extransion correct?
[21:20]  * JontheEchidna checks for kdesu
[21:20] <Lure> ScottK:  if you want, you can add liblensfun-dev Build-Depends now and it will get built in
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: my copy doesn't have kdesu
[21:20] <ScottK> Lure: Currently we have digikam seeded on the DVD, but not the CD.
[21:21] <rgreening> Ok, I have to send oyu the latest
[21:21] <ScottK> Lure: I'll add liblensfun-dev to supported then.
[21:21] <rgreening> actually, let me file a bug and submit the stuff to the bug
[21:21] <Lure> ScottK: yep, space issue (as it pulls in 25MB of marble)
[21:21] <ScottK> Ahhh, all that is depends or some is build-dep?
[21:22] <Lure> ScottK: will not just adding it to digikam's build-dep pull it in?
[21:22] <ScottK> Because if it's depends it'll have to fit on the dvd.
[21:22] <ScottK> Lure: It would.
[21:22] <ScottK> Actually we can just wait.
[21:22] <ScottK> Good point.
[21:22] <Lure> ScottK: yep, no urgency - I just wanted to get lensfun/opencv pass MIR before FF
[21:24] <Lure> ScottK: so if I add build-dep, will this auto-pull it in or does somebody (archive-admin?) need to still approve it?
[21:24]  * Lure does not recall anymore how seeds work...
[21:24] <ScottK> It still needs to get moved.  Riddell can do that.
[21:24] <Lure> ScottK: ok, I will need Riddell (or core-dev) for upload anyhow ;-)
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: oh btw, the patch probably can't close that one bug
[21:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: this was bug 203967
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> because it mentioned youtube and cnn
[21:25] <rgreening> ah
[21:25]  * Lure goes back to hacking kipi-plugins i18n strings before tommorows rc2/i18n freeze ;-)
[21:25] <rgreening> but is that a problem with cnn and youtube and how they detect or an issue with kdelibs?
[21:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I can open a new bug
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: you should probably just commit to bzr yourself :P
[21:27] <rgreening> do I haz rites d00d
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> as long as you are a member of kubuntu-members
[21:27] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ok, I'll have a look at that too then
[21:28] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: but I should still open a bug rite
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> as long as you commit it to bzr you won't need to put up a debdiff in a bug
[21:28] <rgreening> ah
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> nah
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> a core-dev will check out bzr and upload it from there
[21:28] <rgreening> so, how do I get someone to pop out a new rev then
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> ping a core-dev such as Riddell or ScottK
[21:29] <rgreening> ok. I'll make sure the patch applies/builds here and commit and ping.
[21:29] <ScottK> We can haz dvcs because we're all modern and stuff.
[21:29] <rgreening> lol
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> it also lowers the permissions barrier somewhat for contributing to the core kde packages. A core-dev will still have to approve your changes and upload them, but bzr makes it a lot easier to work with the packages without having to throw around diffs at doods
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> imo
[21:32] <rgreening> tru dat, w3rd
[21:32] <ScottK> And now that bzr doesn't compete with the total time until the heat death of the Universe for slowness, it's not too bad.
[21:33] <ScottK> We tried similar in Gutsy and it was just undoable.
[21:34]  * ScottK notes it's less than two hours to 1234567890.  See ##1234567890 for details.
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> unix must be ebil since it has reached 1234567890 on Friday the 13th
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> MS should totally use that
[21:36] <rgreening> lol
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> linux is illegal and immoral!
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> linux has 5 letters, so does the devil
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> my son made a tetragram out of linux CD's!1!!
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> [/paranoid_mom]
[21:41] <ghostcube> hehe yeah the party is going on
[21:41] <ghostcube> lol 1234554321 time was lol
[21:41]  * NCommander is quite amazed that KDE on ARM has remained unbroken ;-)
[21:42] <ghostcube> boah anyone knows if th eintel hdadriver will get better
[21:42] <NCommander> !ARM/x86 not quite so happy
[21:42] <ghostcube> i cant capture what i hear
[21:42] <NCommander> O_______o;
[21:44] <Riddell> Lure: I moved lensfun to main
[21:45] <Lure> Riddell: you just had to do it, right?
[21:45] <Lure> just to prevent me to do last upload in universe... ;-)
[21:46] <Lure> Riddell: just kidding, there are some patches pending for it, but have no time until we get digikam/kipi rc2 out
[21:46] <Lure> and I need to address opencv MIR feedback first
[21:50] <Riddell> ScottK: so, I guess I could move 4.1.4 to -updates
[21:50] <ScottK> I certainly think so.
[21:51] <Riddell> if I don't  we'll have to wait for pitti on monday, and monday is ages away
[21:51] <Riddell> do we have a list of packages that need moved?
[21:51]  * JontheEchidna has 2 or so SRU-able fixes for kdesdk for after its moved
[21:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Bugs tagged kde4.1.4 with an open intrepid task.
[21:58] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=kde4.1.4 only three
[21:59] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.tag=kde4.1.4  ah better
[21:59] <Riddell> ScottK: so xine-lib and the langs too?
[22:00] <ScottK> err.
[22:00] <ScottK> They need to go.  I don't know the state of their verification.
[22:00]  * ScottK looks
[22:01] <ScottK> Riddell: That one actually has a call for lool to retest.
[22:01] <ScottK> urgh.
[22:01] <ScottK> lool: You around?  Any chance you could repeate your xinelibs test?
[22:05] <ghostcube> 5010 people
[22:05] <ghostcube> :D
[22:05] <ghostcube> we nee dmore guys
[22:05] <ghostcube> -0
[22:06] <ScottK> Riddell: I forgot about the xinelib thing, I think we need to reverify that first.  Urgh.
[22:06] <ScottK> sorry for the false alarm.
[22:26] <Quintasan> night guys
[22:37]  * Lure -> bed, good nite all!
[22:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping
[22:47] <rgreening> Riddell: How do I use the bzr for ~kubuntu-members now. I keep getting an error
[22:47] <Riddell> rgreening: what's the error?
[22:47] <rgreening> Riddell: bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[22:48] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[22:48] <Riddell> that it?
[22:48] <Riddell> probably launchpad is broken
[22:48] <rgreening> after I identify with lanchpad-login I get that and nothing checks out
[22:48] <rgreening> if I don't Identify I get a warning about identifying but I can branch
[22:48] <rgreening> so, dont I need to identify?
[22:49] <Riddell> branching may be using http
[22:50] <Riddell> where are you trying to push?
[22:50] <rgreening> havn't got that far yet
[22:51] <rgreening> do I need to install some https module?
[22:52] <Riddell> where are you trying to check out?
[22:53] <rgreening> bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu
[22:53] <Riddell> do you have your ssh key in your account?
[22:53] <rgreening> I assume that's the correct branch for me to update
[22:53] <rgreening> hmm...
[22:54] <rgreening> I had to build a new system. I may not have my local key anymore.
[22:54] <rgreening> crud
[22:56] <rgreening> Riddell: Is it as simple as generating a new set of keys for the new computer and attaching to LP?
[22:57] <Riddell> rgreening: yes
[22:57] <rgreening> Riddell: ty. now.. to get a new key cut
[23:00] <ScottK> And does your new machine have the same ssh key?
[23:00] <ScottK> nevermind
[23:04] <rgreening> anyone else have issues with "highlight"/"paste" from konsole to konqueror? seems like konqueror doesn't like the middle-click paste buffer
[23:04] <rgreening> Riddell: can you test ?
[23:05] <neversfelde> rgreening: can't open links in a new tab with middle-click here
[23:06] <rgreening> so, konqueror isn't recognizing middle mouse button events?
[23:06] <Riddell> rgreening: works for me
[23:06] <rgreening> Riddell: did you highlight but not copy?
[23:07] <rgreening> highlight it only and then use middle button to paste
[23:07] <Riddell> highlight in konsole, middle click pasts in konqueror's location bar
[23:08] <rgreening> Riddell: are you running latest updates?
[23:08] <rgreening> in Jaunty
[23:08] <Riddell> konqueror 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu2
[23:09] <neversfelde> not working for me
[23:10] <rgreening> me to. but Im not running my PPA on this new system... are you still running my rebuilds from my PPA
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> wouldn't the rebuilds have a ~ppa number?
[23:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Im more concerned the reason Riddell is working is qt 4.5 (potentially)
[23:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you on jaunty?
[23:11] <rgreening> can you test?
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> sure
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> so, highlight in konsole, middle click in konq?
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> any particular area in konq?
[23:12] <rgreening> in the address bar or in the tab area seem broken
[23:13] <rgreening> address bar if not a real url you are pasting
[23:13] <rgreening> just so you have text goingto a text box
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> worksforme(tm)
[23:13] <rgreening> neversfelde: you 32 bit or 64?
[23:13] <ScottK> rgreening: Did you get a chance to try quassel on 4.5 yet?
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> pure jaunty kde and qt
[23:14] <rgreening> ScottK: nope. I got bogged down with my broken system
[23:14] <neversfelde> rgreening: 32 bit
[23:14] <ScottK> OK.
[23:15] <rgreening> well, JontheEchidna, neversfelde, Riddell: there's defiantely an issue. I did a stock install from latest alpha and upgraded before doing anything on it.
[23:15] <rgreening> I have additional languages and keyboard layouts enabled. how about the rest of you.
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> standard english, though out of coincidence I am running a spanish konq
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> but I do have the default keyboard layout
[23:16] <neversfelde> rgreening: default keyboard layout and german language
[23:17] <rgreening> hmmm...
[23:18] <rgreening> http://forum.kde.org/solved-middle-mouse-button-not-working-konqueror-t-30042.html
[23:20] <Riddell> ~twitter update 1234567231.48 nearly there
[23:20] <kubotu> status updated
[23:21] <neversfelde> :) left and middle button opens a link in current tab and in a new one
[23:23] <rgreening> neversfelde: not for me
[23:23] <rgreening> :(
[23:28] <neversfelde> rgreening: disabling gestures fixes it for me. I can paste and open links in new tabs with the middle button.
[23:28] <rgreening> neversfelde: where did you disable thatÉ
[23:29] <neversfelde> mom, must switch to english
[23:30] <neversfelde> rgreening: Systemsettings >> General >> Input Settings
[23:31] <rgreening> Riddell: do you have gestures enabled?
[23:31] <rgreening> Riddell: and is this something we want enabled?
[23:32] <Riddell> not that I know of
[23:32] <ScottK> I'd imagine not.
[23:32] <shtylman_> 1234567890
[23:32] <shtylman_> :)
[23:32] <ScottK> That seems like something you'd want people to opt in to.
[23:33] <rgreening> I've never had or used gestures and middle click seems like so much more important
[23:33] <Riddell> shtylman_: yay!
[23:34] <ghostcube> happy 1234567890
[23:34] <ghostcube> hehe
[23:34] <ghostcube> the ## channel was too freaky
[23:35] <ScottK> Doesn't seem much different than #ubuntu-release party on release day (except for the bad language)
[23:35] <ScottK> OK, it's a little more over the top.
[23:36] <rgreening> I feel like an episode of sesame street... 1-2-3-4..5..6-7-8-9..10..11.12!
[23:36] <rgreening> I old
[23:37] <ScottK> Bah.
[23:37] <ghostcube> :D
[23:37] <ScottK> I remember before there WAS Sesame Street.
[23:37] <ghostcube> hmm iam old too guys :P
[23:37] <ScottK> How old are you?
[23:38] <ghostcube> 30
[23:38] <ghostcube> lol
[23:38] <ScottK> Youngster.
[23:38] <ghostcube> hehe
[23:39] <ghostcube> its not how old you are its about how old you feel
[23:39] <ghostcube> :D
[23:40] <rgreening> ghostcube < rgreening < ScottK where name = age
[23:40] <rgreening> :)
[23:40] <ScottK> Yep.
[23:40] <ghostcube> lol
[23:41] <ScottK> JFTR, I am not the oldest Ubuntu dev.  I know of one a decade older than me.
[23:41] <ghostcube> oh no u all seen google icon today ?
[23:41] <ghostcube> http://www.google.de/logos/unix1234567890.gif
[23:44] <rgreening> Riddell: when I am ready to push my changes to bzr, do I do bzr push or bzr merge?
[23:44] <rgreening> or...
[23:44] <Riddell> rgreening: if you did a checkout then   bzr commit
[23:45] <Riddell> if you did a branch then  bzr commit; bzr push
[23:45] <Riddell> if you did a branch  bzr merge  will bring in changes from the branch
[23:45] <rgreening> Riddell: ah. yeah, I had forgotten. I did a branch rather than checkout
[23:45] <rgreening> oops
[23:46] <ScottK> http://currentconfig.com/2005/02/22/essential-life-lesson-1-over-is-right-under-is-wrong/
[23:47] <rgreening> Riddell: updated kde4libs with flash installer patch
[23:47] <rgreening> we'll need a new deb popped from tree :)
[23:48] <neversfelde> are there infos about that bzr thing somewhere?
[23:48] <neversfelde> the choqok branch should be updated, but I do not know how
[23:52] <ghostcube> ScottK, nice story
[23:52] <ghostcube> :d
[23:53] <Riddell> neversfelde: bzr co https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/choqok/ubuntu
[23:53] <Riddell> edit files
[23:53] <Riddell> bzr diff
[23:53] <Riddell> bzr commit
[23:53] <Riddell> hmm, that's not the right URL
[23:53] <Riddell> bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/choqok/ubuntu
[23:53] <neversfelde> thanks, will have a look at it