[00:10] <ActionParsnip> hey gang
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> is it possible to have 2 keyboards attatched to the sme x server
[00:11] <ActionParsnip> I'm thinking 2 player frets on fire
[00:12] <mika_> !sound
[00:12] <mika_> !alsa
[00:12] <Dragnslcr> I believe so, but I'm not sure if the X server will distinguish between them
[00:13] <ActionParsnip> Dragnslcr: thats something I can live with, the users can use different keys :)
[00:13] <mika_> helllo world
[00:14] <mika_> hey, anybody know what can it be, i have tryed to install OSS, while i'm already have alsa.... and now i don't have any sound...
[00:14] <mika_> can anybody help me?
[00:14] <mika_> heya?! anybody alive?
[00:16] <Dragnslcr> ActionParsnip- I have an extra USB keyboard kicking around if you want me to test it. I'm pretty sure I've done it before, though, when I had a Bluetooth keyboard that didn't always work right
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> Dragnslcr: usb wired is fine, if HAL can handle it fine then thats cool
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> Dragnslcr: sounds like you are up for the challenge :)
[00:18] <Dragnslcr> My extra USB keyboard is plugged in to my Wii right now
[00:19] <Danu> Hi. i have pgp files, so,a question, could i burn them into a cd?
[00:19] <Dragnslcr> Sure, you can burn any files you want to a CD
[00:19] <Dr_Willis> Ive had several usb keybpard/mice plugged in at same time.. and hey worked.
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> Dragnslcr: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: does it just fly on its own? is hal THAT good
[00:20] <Danu> Mr. Dragnslcr thanks
[00:22] <Dr_Willis> ActionParsnip,  this has worked for me - for AGES..  used to be you just set xorg.conf to  read from /dev/input/mice and it worked for all the mice..  I forget about keyboards.. but they  have worked the same way for me - for the last 3+ yeras thi way
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> i will try, dual frets on fire would be badass
[00:24] <CrankyChipmonk> indeed
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> Now having 2 seperate X sessions each with theor on keyboard.. is tougher. :)
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> but  what you ar trying to do.. should work
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> ive got 2 keyboards on this pc.. no prpoble,ms
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> Other then THIS one being 'goofy' due to soda-pop spill
[00:45] <cuznt> you got two keyboards and a microphone?
[00:46] <cuznt> i take my key boards apart and clean the keys
[00:46] <cuznt> works swell
[00:46] <cuznt>  like
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> My Media-server box has 2 keybards.. a tv and monitor. :)
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> and 2 mice..
[00:51] <quassel210> kde 4.2 is way faster
[00:51] <quassel210> using jaunty alpha 4
[00:56] <Lusid> I love Kubuntu. :) I just wanted to let everyone know that. Thank you.
[00:56] <kaddi> glad to hear that Lusid :) I'm a big fan myself ;)
[00:57] <Lusid> KDE4.1 and Compiz run like a champ on my laptop with Radeon Mobility X1400. Only problem I've had thus far is with the battery module.
[00:58] <Lusid> Seems a rmmod battery; modprobe battery; fixes that problem for now.
[00:58] <Lusid> And it even runs VMware with Vista and Mac OS X fairly smoothly. I'm so damn impressed.
[00:59] <kaddi> Compiz does not want to work with me. :p but I've been spending too much time at the pub lately to be able to claim I've trierd everything :D
[00:59] <kaddi> so there probably is a solution somwhere :D
[00:59] <gopher_> I hate wifi
[01:00] <Lusid> I had to upgrade my video driver, install about 10 packages or so, then set Compiz as the window manager instead of kwin... worked right off the bat.
[01:00] <kaddi> I've never tried VMWare, I'm a fan of virtualbox, which also runs pretty smoothely. Though I haven't tried OSX jet
[01:00] <Lusid> That wasn't the case when I was trying to do it with Debian... I have a new fav distro for desktop. :)
[01:00] <kaddi> :)
[01:00] <kaddi> I
[01:01] <Lusid> I have heard of Virtualbox, but never looked into it... may have to do that... right... now. :)
[01:02] <kaddi> I'm running kde 4.2 which is much more reliable  than kde 4.1 for me :)
[01:02] <ElecNinja> Virtualbox is a pretty good virtual machine software
[01:02] <kaddi> i probably screwed the compiz thing up myself, when I installed compiz packages that weren't needed ;)
[01:02] <ElecNinja> Don't know about VMWare now, but Virtualbox has quite an easy way to set up USBs and such
[01:03] <Walzmyn_> I've just upgraded to 8.10 and i'm having trouble getting the proprietary nVidia drivers installed
[01:03] <Lusid> VMware worked out of the box pretty well... only thing I had to do was turn off the memory trimming feature. It was popping my CPU up to 100% for everything.
[01:03] <Lusid> Might have to try Virtualbox now just to compare.
[01:03] <Lusid> Thanks guys. :P
[01:03] <kaddi> and girls ;)
[01:04] <Lusid> Them too. :)
[01:04] <Walzmyn_> we let girls in here?  ;)
[01:04] <gorgonizer> ElecNinja: do you run the ose or the non-ose version of Virtualbox?  I am assuming the non-ose version..
[01:04] <kaddi> ah sorry... i'll be leaving.. didn't want to offend ;)
[01:04]  * Walzmyn_ laughs
[01:04] <Lusid> I knew this channel smelled good for some reason.
[01:05] <Walzmyn_> The spelling seems to be somewhat better too.
[01:05] <kaddi> are girls using *nix really that rare?
[01:05] <ElecNinja> Sorry, I don't know how to "whisper" gorgonizer, but I runned the non-ose
[01:06] <Walzmyn_> Whenever I try to install the proprietary nVidia driver it all goes heywire - is anybody else having this problem?
[01:06] <Lusid> Well... I remember that in 5 years of college, I never saw a single girl in any computer science class that I had... so, yeah, to be honest. And its a damn shame.
[01:07] <tyrone> hello how can i disable compiz i am using kde4.2 on ubuntu 8.10
[01:07] <Walzmyn_> kaddi, well, you take the share of girls using computers at all, shrink it by the number of people using *nix in general and then pick out the number of folks that use the chat rooms for tech support of *nix and yeah, the female population is going to be small
[01:07] <Lusid> lol
[01:07] <Walzmyn_> tyrone,  how did you enable it?
[01:07] <Lusid> Where are you from kaddi? It must be something in the water.
[01:07] <Lusid> I must find this water...
[01:08] <kaddi> Lusid: XD I'm from germany.
[01:09] <Lusid> kaddi: Very cool. One place I hope to visit some day. :)
[01:09] <Walzmyn_> I believe Linux is somewhat more accepted in Germany than the US
[01:09] <Walzmyn_> I'd like to visit as well
[01:09] <kaddi> Lusid: but I'm probably biased... almost 95% of my friends use some sort of linux. ;) (which probably isn't the average in germany, even if it is more accepted than US.. can't tell)
[01:09] <tyrone> Walzmyn_: I started enabling plugins in the desktop system settings but i just wanna disable compiz for a while not co
[01:09] <Lusid> Yeah, I think times have changed. I've been hearing a lot about EU and Linux lately.
[01:10] <kaddi> OT?
[01:10] <tyrone> completely
[01:11] <Walzmyn_> tyrone i'm not sure, sorry
[01:11] <kaddi> Lusid: where are you from?
[01:11] <Walzmyn_> I was basing the linux greater in Germany bit on the fact that the US has a much larger population but it seems like every FOSS project has some german tie in, if it is not based there
[01:12] <Lusid> kaddi: Ohio, USA originally... South Florida now.
[01:13] <cuznt> glens falls ny ... represent!                         ;)
[01:13] <Lusid> kaddi: A friend of mine called me the other day to ask if her laptop has to be plugged in to work if she takes the battery out... no Linux for her. It might make her brain melt.
[01:13] <Walzmyn_> HA!
[01:13] <kaddi> Lusid: nice :) Never really been to the US.. but I hope to change that one day. :)
[01:14]  * Walzmyn_ is from Georgia, USA (now)
[01:14] <kaddi> Lusid: just tell her its the new windows 8.5 she'll never know the difference ;)
[01:14] <Lusid> kaddi: Eh, it has its good and its bad, just like everywhere.
[01:14] <Lusid> Walzmyn_: Nice, was thinking of moving to Marietta this year.
[01:14] <kaddi> Lusid: Though in europe many people have been focussing on the bad lately. ;)
[01:15] <Lusid> kaddi: Focusing on the bad in the USA or in Europe?
[01:15] <Walzmyn_> Lusid,  that's where the in laws live - too crowded for me. i'm out in the country east/north of atlanta
[01:16] <Lusid> kaddi: Because if you are talking about the bad in the USA, yeah, trust me... I've been whining for about... 8 years now.
[01:16] <Walzmyn_> easy - there is a no politics rule here
[01:16] <Lusid> Walzmyn_: Very nice. I think I get along in the city better. I need road rage to survive.
[01:16] <Walzmyn_> more power to you
[01:17] <kaddi> Lusid: both I'd say.... though I was refering to the image of the US in Europe :)
[01:17] <Walzmyn_> i'ma reboot. ya'll be good
[01:17] <Lusid> kaddi: Nod nod. :)
[01:17] <kaddi> always am ;)
[01:18] <Lusid> But yeah, I need to get back to work. Nice meeting you kaddi and Walzmyn_. :)
[01:18] <kaddi> Lusid have a good time :)
[01:19] <gorgonizer> Good night all!!
[01:19] <kaddi> good night gorgonizer :)
[01:19] <Lusid> BTW, if anyone knows why I have to remove and add the battery module on my laptop after starting up, please do let me know. :) Just knowing that it is there bugs me.
[01:27] <mefisto__> I want to dip my toe into learning programming. I'm just getting used to basic regexpr stuff now. what would be the most comfortable path for me to take from here? the regexpr syntax I'm learning are used in perl, I believe. should I try learning that first? or something like C++ ? can someone advise?
[01:29] <kalib> How can I fix this???
[01:29] <kalib> This DVD Video is encrypted.  To be able to watch it you will need to install libdvdcss by running from a console: sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh.  In some countries it is illegal to install the decryption software without permission from the video copyright
[01:30] <kalib> I had run the command... sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh
[01:30] <kalib> but.. still not reproducing my dvd
[01:31] <kaddi> mefisto_: i learned some programming at school: first classes I had were java, really hated it and never learned anything. Later on I had some C++ tutorials, which were really great and after that I had to work with fortran, o and python. From my experience the principal structures are quite similar (bear in mind that i don't know perl ;) ) and, if you're interested in the different languages it doesn't really depend with which language
[01:31] <kaddi> you begin.
[01:31] <RussellAlan> Greetings
[01:32] <kaddi> this is just me talking though, and I'm really not a guru.. just using what I learned here and there ;)
[01:32] <RussellAlan> Could someone direct me how to UPGRADE from 4.1 to 4.2 KDE
[01:33] <mefisto__> kalib: you can add the medibuntu repo to your sources and then install libcss2. anyway, instructions to do just that (watch encrypted DVDs) are at http://www.medibuntu.org/
[01:33] <kaddi> RussellAlan: check out this page: http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[01:33] <mefisto__> kaddi: thanks, that's just the advice I was looking for. do you know if the regexpr stuff is applicable to C++ for example?
[01:34] <kaddi> mefisto__ i never used it, because i didn't even know of them. ;) but i recall using stuff like \n for breakline and similar... so i'd expect that it'll work :)
[01:34] <kalib> mefisto__, thanks.. I'll try it..
[01:35] <kalib> It worked for you?
[01:35] <mefisto__> kalib: yes, definitely
[01:35] <mefisto__> kalib: click the repository howto link on that page
[01:36] <kalib> can you give me the direct repo??
[01:36] <imps> Hey guys, I'm running into a bit of a problem.  I have ubuntu remix running on my eee PC 1000HA
[01:36] <kalib> so i can put it on my /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:36] <imps> Some option windows are too big, I can't see the bottom of the menus
[01:36] <imps> Any work around?
[01:36] <mefisto__> kalib: it doesn't go directly in sources.list   it's explained at the website
[01:37] <kalib> ok.. I'll take a look
[01:37] <kalib> thanks
[01:37] <ostermei> when upgrading from kde 4.1 to 4.2 (intrepid), the instructions on the site say "Old Plasma packages are not compatible with KDE 4.2, you should uninstall any plasmoids."... i haven't been able to find anything that says how to uninstall them
[01:37] <mefisto__> kalib: if you have trouble doing it, just come back and ask
[01:38] <ostermei> i've followed the steps on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 and ended up with an unusable system and ended up having to completely reinstall twice today
[01:38] <mefisto__> imps: you mean because the screen is just too small?
[01:38] <kaddi> mefisto__ google disagrees with my earlier statement. :p  there seems to be something called  boost:regex which can be included... (really don't know though ;) )
[01:39] <imps> Yes, is there a way to force the resize of the menus?
[01:39] <kaddi> to use regex with C++
[01:39] <imps> It won't let me drag the windows smaller
[01:39] <Dr_Willis> ive not had to uninstall anything ostermei  -  I read that as meaning remove any  'non-kubuntu' plasmoids that you may have installed..
[01:41] <mefisto__> imps: most windows can be resized in kde/kubuntu (don't know about gnome/ubuntu) and you can also hold the alt button down and grab windows from anywhere on the window (not just the titlebar) if that helps
[01:41] <ostermei> hrm... thanks, willis.  i've been holding off on trying the upgrade again for fear of that instruction causing problems (since i've followed all the others just like they say)
[01:41] <ostermei> guess i'll give it another shot and see what happens
[01:41] <imps> Oh, I didn't know of the 'alt' button did that
[01:42] <mefisto__> imps: not sure if that applies to gnome as well, but it does in kde
[01:42] <kalib> mefisto__, ok
[01:42] <Dr_Willis> ostermei,  you could try installing ubuntu, or xubuntu, then installing 4.2 without having 4.1 installed..
[01:42] <imps> It works for this
[01:42] <Dr_Willis> ostermei,  then again - you could come back if the problem happens again.. and try tio tropubhwe shoot the problems
[01:42] <imps> Thanks for the help dude.  I was going crazy having to hook up my desktop moniter to change one setting.
[01:43] <mefisto__> imps: you can also use alt+right mouse button to resize windows (so you don't have to precisely grab the edges)
[01:44] <jarco> Hello, can anyone explain to me how to download/show lyrics using amarok?
[01:44] <kalib> mefisto__, it's done.. thanks ;]
[01:44] <imps> Oh, thank you, I will be back later.  Havin' trouble turning off installing an app.
[01:45] <mefisto__> kalib: so dvd is working now?
[01:45] <kaddi> i'm thinking about installing kdesvn to make some backups of my paperwork. Is it really worse the hassle or would a tarball with a date be suficiant? is there a tutorial somewhere?
[01:46] <kalib> mefisto__, yeah
[01:47] <mefisto__> jarco: when a song is playing, go to the context tab on the left, then the lyrics tab. it will search the song title, so if the title isn't the real name of the song, you should change the track title in amarok first
[01:48] <jarco> thx mefisto__ helped a lot
[01:49] <mefisto__> jarco: and here's a tip: tools, script manager shows the scripts you have in amarok. add wiki-lyrics and use that instead of the default one. it finds more song lyrics
[01:50] <jarco> thx mefisto__ i installed it
[01:51] <jarco> itys in fact a huge fun thing for my sister who loves to sing along
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> My wife sings along also.. only she just sort of makes up the words.....
[01:52] <jarco> hahahaha
[01:52] <mefisto__> kaddi: just curious, were the C++ classes at school done on windows systems?
[01:53] <kaddi> please replace school with university.. don't know what tool me. :D And no, they were done on linux machines (though i can't tell which anymore)...
[01:54] <kaddi> *took
[01:55] <Lusid> mefisto__: We used Solaris when I was in school for programming classes.
[01:56] <hector__> Hol
[01:56] <hector__> a
[01:57] <kaddi> !hi |hector
[01:58] <hector__> Hello
[01:58] <wildbat> hello
[01:59] <wildbat> anyone know about autofs or is there a debugger for script? i am having problem with the auto.smb for some reason the output is blan T^T
[01:59] <wildbat> blank*
[02:03] <hector__> anyone have firewall script for beginner?
[02:05] <hector__> Alguien me puede ayudar con un scritp basico para un firewall ?
[02:07] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of firewall examples.tutorals out on line..   what does 'for a beginner' have to do with it?
[02:07] <mefisto__> hector__: have you looked at ufw ?
[02:08] <mefisto__> hector__: there's gui programs to help too
[02:08] <Dr_Willis> gui for ufw also..
[02:09] <Dr_Willis> but  it pays to actually read a few firewalling guides
[02:10] <Walzmyn> I've just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 and it does not seem that my grub menu was updated (still loading old kernel) - how can I find what the menu should look like?
[02:10] <Dr_Willis> try  'sudo update-grub' perhaps?
[02:11] <Dr_Willis> I noitced  that happen befor where it never updated grub properly.. but not seen it happen lately
[02:12] <wildbat> anyone know about autofs or is there a debugger for script? i am having problem with the auto.smb for some reason the output is blank T^T
[02:13] <tonka> jaunty alpha4 is pretty good
[02:13] <tonka> except for the parts where it sucks
[02:14] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: maybe update-initramfs  too, in case something stopped the new kernel install completing properly
[02:14] <kaddi> tonka: which parts suck? i'm thinking about updating, would you advise against it?
[02:15] <Walzmyn> the update-grub seemed to work, but the menu didn't change
[02:15] <Walzmyn> mefisto__, for my info, what is initramfs?
[02:16] <Dr_Willis> Walzmyn,  if you are brave.. you could move the menu.lst to menu.lst.BACKUP and try rerunning update-grub or there may be siome iother command we are forgetting about
[02:17] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: it's the filesystem that loads initially (into ram) during bootup, before loading your actual filesystems from disk
[02:18] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: man update-initramfs could explain it better than me, probably
[02:19] <juliebun> Hello... Anyone patient to deal with a rookie?
[02:20] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: if the initramfs was not created on kernel install, that may be why update-grub is not adding the new kernel to the grub menu
[02:20] <Dr_Willis> Its better to asj the actual questiion first.. :) juliebun  and see who knows the info needed
[02:21] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: might be easier to just reinstall that last kernel
[02:21] <juliebun> Okay, I am completely new to Linux and need very specific directions on how to make my wifi and sound work.
[02:22] <Dr_Willis> There proberly are no 'specific' directions.. it will depend on your specific hardware a great deal. :)
[02:22] <Dr_Willis> for wireless - i would start with the fiollowing..
[02:22] <Dr_Willis> !wireless
[02:23] <mefisto__> juliebun: for the sound, first make sure nothing is muted in kmix (the speaker icon near the clock) and all the levels are up
[02:25] <juliebun> That's another issue, mefisto. For some reason, all I have on my desktop is the blue K in the left corner... even though I set it up to show a clock, etc. There must be something up with the display, and whenever I try to adjust the display settings, the screen goes all pixely and blurry
[02:25] <juliebun> ...so can't see any clocks, little icons, etc
[02:27] <EtFb> I'm back in Hardy now (Intrepid was too flakey) and I know I saw some dialog box that lets you automatically install Compiz, but it's gone now.  Anyone know where it is?
[02:27] <Walzmyn> hmm, so upon further inspection, I seem to have the latest kernel and the proper grub entry, it was just titled 8.04
[02:27] <mefisto__> juliebun: try alt+F2, then type kmix to start it. see if the icon appears
[02:30] <mefisto__> EtFb: not sure because I installed compiz manually, but do you have desktop effects, in system submenu?
[02:30] <EtFb> mefisto__: Bingo!  That was it!
[02:31] <EtFb> mefisto__: Thanks!
[02:31] <juliebun> mefisto, it brought up kmix and then my cursor started bouncing but nothing came of it
[02:32] <juliebun> (sorry- extreme newbie talk)
[02:32] <mefisto__> juliebun: this is no fun for a beginner
[02:33] <Walzmyn> If I enable the proprietary nVidia driver, I get no graphics when I reboot - what do I need to do?
[02:34] <juliebun> true dat
[02:35] <mefisto__> juliebun: find konsole in the K menu (or alt-F2 and type konsole)
[02:35] <juliebun> ok got it
[02:36] <mefisto__> juliebun: copy this and paste in that window: cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:36] <EtFb> Duh! I told it to install Compiz, then I logged out.  Now my laptop has blanked out.  It's just flashing the Caps Lock light forlornly and won't respond to keypresses.  What do I do now???
[02:37] <mefisto__> juliebun: does it show anything, or nothing at all?
[02:37] <juliebun> just the blue K
[02:38] <mefisto__> juliebun: no, I mean in the konsole window (press enter key after pasting that command)
[02:39] <juliebun> ok. It says no such file or directory
[02:40] <juliebun> I pasted: at /proc/asound/modules
[02:40] <EtFb> Hmmm, now it's working.  Cool.  I suppose I should figure out how to operate it now...
[02:40] <EtFb> Right; back to work.
[02:41] <mefisto__> juliebun: you left out the "c" at the beginning. the "up" arrow will bring back that command, so do that and add the "c" at the start so it starts with "cat"
[02:43] <juliebun> ok (yay)  :) It says "0 snd_via82xx
[02:43] <juliebun> 1 snd_via82xx_modem
[02:46] <mefisto__> juliebun: are you going to use the modem?
[02:47] <juliebun> mefisto, (forgive my ignorance)... I *think* so.... I just use wifi (it's a laptop)- no ethernet connection.  Is that what you mean?
[02:48] <mefisto__> juliebun: no, I think that's a dialup modem
[02:48] <david_> how can I upgrade my kernel from 2.6.27 to 2.6.28?
[02:49] <david_> I'm using Kubuntu 8.10, using apt-get did not work for me
[02:49] <juliebun> ok.  All I know is that when it had windowsxp on it, I used a wireless connection, but since I installed kubuntu in place of windows (which was destroyed- wouldn't boot), the wifi isn't working
[02:49] <jimdb> i have a few (about 4) kde 4.2 installs.  on two of those there is a nice home icon and a trash icon on the desktop.  They aren't shortcuts.  does anyone know how to add them to the other computer desktops that don't have them?
[02:49] <mefisto__> juliebun: for now, can you type kmix (and enter) to start kmix
[02:50] <juliebun> mefisto, I type it in and the icon starts to bounce as if kmix is going to start, but then it doesn't appear to do anything
[02:52] <mefisto__> juliebun: does it say anything in the konsole window about errors? (don't paste it in here unless it's 1 or 2 lines)
[02:53] <juliebun> No. When I type kmix into the konsole window, then press enter, it just comes back with the name of my laptop again... as if I hadn't typed anything
[02:53] <mefisto__> hmm
[02:55] <mefisto__> does anyone know if kde4 kmix has a different name? I'm running hardy right now
[02:58] <kaddi> mefisto__ : running kde 4.2 and kmix is still there :9)
[02:59] <imps> Hey guys, I'm running into an error when I load a touchpad app
[02:59] <mefisto__> kaddi: but it's not kmix4 or kmix-kde4 or something?
[02:59] <imps> Heres the message: GSnaptics couldn't initialze.  You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86config to use GSynaptics
[02:59] <imps> Anyone got a link on how to fix that? I think I had one awhile back.
[03:00] <kaddi> no, it's plain old kmix
[03:01] <ubuntu__> hi, i was hoping someone could help me with step 4 of the install
[03:01] <mefisto__> juliebun: copy/paste this in konsole: modprobe -r snd_via82xx_modem
[03:01] <kaddi> jimdb: i know there is a widget for the trash, i suppose there will be one for home as well. click on the symbol in the top right, select "add widget" adn scroll through the propsed widgets till you find
[03:01] <kaddi> trash :)
[03:02] <genii-around> mefisto__: Needs sudo
[03:02] <mefisto__> thanks genii-around
[03:02] <genii-around> mefisto__: np :)
[03:02] <mefisto__> juliebun: copy/paste this in konsole: sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx_modem
[03:04] <juliebun> mefisto, I did that and it asked for my [sudo] password
[03:04] <mefisto__> juliebun: use the password you use to log in with
[03:04] <juliebun> so I entered my password and it said FATAL: Module snd_via82xx_modem is in use
[03:05] <leo> please does anyone knows how to get the sound to work in ubuntu running as guest with sun virtual box on windows xp?
[03:05] <genii-around> leo: Maybe ask in #vbox
[03:05] <mefisto__> juliebun: ok, try this one: sudo alsa force-reload
[03:06] <mefisto__> juliebun: then try starting kmix again
[03:07] <juliebun> mefisto- it started!  :)
[03:07] <mefisto__> juliebun: so you see the icon now?
[03:07] <juliebun> Yep, I opened the program right up
[03:08] <juliebun> (Sorry I'm a newbie dork)  :p
[03:08] <jimdb> does anyone know how to get screensavers for kde 4.2?  i'm using project neon.
[03:08] <mefisto__> juliebun: ok, do my first suggestion, check that nothing is muted, and levels are up
[03:09] <juliebun> mefisto, nothing is muted under the VIA 8237 tab but VIA 82xx modem was muted
[03:10] <leo> How can i upgrade to kde 4-2
[03:10] <mefisto__> juliebun: that's ok. are the levels up all the way? especially master channel (if you have that) and PCM
[03:11] <jimdb> leo:  http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-install-kde-42/
[03:12] <juliebun> mefisto, the levels are up, but still no sound
[03:13] <mefisto__> juliebun: what are you testing the sound with?
[03:13] <juliebun> There's a welcome file in Amarok
[03:14] <mefisto__> juliebun: try this in konsole: aplay /usr/share/sounds/k3b_success1.wav
[03:16] <juliebun> mefisto, it said it was playing the WAVE but I heard nothing
[03:17] <mefisto__> juliebun: and the physical volume on your computer is turned up? I guess that's the first thing you tried
[03:18] <juliebun> yes 100%
[03:18] <mefisto__> juliebun: in konsole, type alsamixer
[03:19] <juliebun> ok...
[03:20] <mefisto__> that mixer shows the levels as numbers at the bottom of each channel. if it's muted, there will be a MM just above that
[03:20] <mefisto__> juliebun: you might need to scroll to the right to see all the channels if they don't all fit in the window
[03:21] <mefisto__> juliebun: scroll with the left-right keys
[03:21] <juliebun> Ok, mefisto there's an MM above 3D Contr and Line
[03:21] <juliebun> and nothing above PCM Out
[03:23] <mefisto__> juliebun: shouldn't matter, but let's try. scroll to the muted one, and press M key to mute/unmute
[03:23] <mefisto__> juliebun: 3D contr
[03:24] <mefisto__> juliebun: unmute all of them, for that matter
[03:24] <imps> Heres the message: GSnaptics couldn't initialze.  You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86config to use GSynaptics
[03:25] <imps> I'm getting that message when I use a touchpad app
[03:25] <mefisto__> juliebun: once that's done, esc key to quit the mixer, then up arrow key until you get the aplay command to test sound again
[03:25] <imps> Anyone got a link to fix it?
[03:26] <juliebun> mefisto, it is still claiming to play the file, but I hear nothing
[03:28] <mefisto__> juliebun: I'm running out of ideas
[03:28] <mefisto__> juliebun: we can try blacklisting the modem sound so it doesn't load when you start up, but you'll need to reboot to test it
[03:29] <juliebun> I can reboot; I'm chatting on my mac whilst I mess with the linux next to me...
[03:29] <mefisto__> juliebun: kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:30] <Guest18587> fdas
[03:30] <mefisto__> juliebun: and at the end of that file, on a line on its own, add this: blacklist snd_via82xx_modem
[03:31] <alonea> whats with kde4 and checkboxes? they all end up getting cut off
[03:31] <juliebun> ok. Then click save?
[03:32] <mefisto__> juliebun: then "enter" to make sure there is at least 1 blank line after that (otherwise it won't work)
[03:32] <juliebun> ok
[03:32] <mefisto__> juliebun: ok, save that, then try rebooting
[03:32] <whatevername> all the nicknames are taken
[03:32] <whatevername> so damn annoying
[03:34] <imps> Mefisto, how do I set SHMconfig to true?
[03:34] <mefisto__> imps: I don't know what that is
[03:35] <imps> Oh. Okey
[03:36] <mefisto__> imps: in xorg.conf see if you have an entry for the touchpad
[03:37] <imps> I am brand new to linux, do you have a tutorial on how to work with the xorg.conf?
[03:39] <wrinkliez> hey guys, any suggestions for a good plasmoid for amarok that works in 4.2?
[03:39] <juliebun> mefisto, I rebooted. Unfortunately still no sound. But thank you so much for your help. Now that I have rebooted, interstingly, there is a little globe icon visible on my desktop.
[03:41] <mefisto__> juliebun: I think that's network controls. I've never used wifi myself, but I think that's where you control that stuff
[03:43] <mefisto__> wrinkliez: there's one called plasmoid-am4rok but I've never used it. don't even know if it's in repos
[03:49] <Kkoala> can anyone help me with and install
[03:49] <Kkoala> program type
[03:51] <salamandra> anyone know the irc for ubuntu in spanish?
[03:51] <genii-around> Yes, #ubuntu-es
[03:53] <mefisto__> juliebun: there's a thread on ubuntuforums about your sound hardware. says they solved their sound problem by setting jumpers on the motherboard. don't know how adventurous you are about trying something like that http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=530541
[03:54] <juliebun> ha ha okay thank you mefisto!
[03:54] <juliebun> Meanwhile, I'm googling wireless issues
[03:54] <salamandra> thanks genii-around
[03:54] <genii-around> salamandra: You're welcome
[03:56] <mefisto__> juliebun: and you said graphics don't look too good? if so, look in k menu > system > hardware drivers   if there is a tickbox to enable a restricted driver, that will probably give you better results (but also might give you a blank screen on login until you fine-tune some things manually)
[03:58] <juliebun> thank you mefisto
[03:59] <mefisto__> juliebun: and ask in here about the wifi every hour or so. there's got to be someone who can help with that
[04:03] <failers> my kubuntu froze , in wich log file should i look for the reason
[04:07] <mefisto__> failers: ksystemlog will show you all the important ones, so you could look at them all. probably look for errors in Xorg.0.log first
[04:10] <failers> hm ok
[04:11] <justin__> hey
[04:11] <mefisto__> juliebun: you still around?
[04:12] <juliebun> yes hi mefisto
[04:12] <failers> Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)
[04:12] <mefisto__> juliebun: just read someone got their sound working by muting the IEC958 Capture Monitor channel
[04:12] <failers> is that bad :o ?
[04:13] <mefisto__> juliebun: so if you have that, worth a try
[04:13] <juliebun> ok how do I know if I have it?  :)
[04:13] <mefisto__> juliebun: look in kmix, or do the asamixer command and use the M key to mute it
[04:13] <mefisto__> *alsamixer
[04:18] <juliebun> ok tried it and did the aplay command but still no sound... I wonder if I should just try to find an even more user-friendly version of Linux?
[04:19] <failers> a more user friendly linux then kubuntu? good luck
[04:20] <failers> kubuntu or ubuntu is as user friendly as it gets
[04:20] <genii-around> juliebun: What says result of:   lspci -nn | grep Audio
[04:20] <whatevername> have u guys tried the new kdevelop4 beta 1?
[04:21] <failers> btw mefisto__ dont find any errors about my computer freezing :/ not that it happends many times but sometimes about ever second day it does
[04:22] <mefisto__> failers: anything in particular that might be triggering it?
[04:22] <failers> well firefox updated for a few days ago and now when i think of it every time it hangs i got it open
[04:24] <mefisto__> failers: and it never happened before the firefox update?
[04:24] <juliebun> mefisto, 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401] :  VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller [1106:3059] (rev 60)
[04:24] <failers> mefisto__:  dont think so
[04:25] <mefisto__> failers: might be worth googling to see if anyone else is getting that
[04:26] <mefisto__> juliebun: genii-around asked for that, not me :)
[04:26] <juliebun> Oh sorry!  ;)
[04:27] <failers> and wich kdevelop should i get for kubuntu 8.10 kde 4.1
[04:27] <juliebun> genii-around, 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401] :  VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller [1106:3059] (rev 60)
[04:30] <genii-around> Too bad they left before I got done researching that card :/
[04:31] <whatevername> i would assume u should get kdevelop 3.5.4
[04:31] <whatevername> since kdevelop4 is in beta1 and requires kde 4.2
[04:35] <failers> ok
[04:43] <SuspectZero> whats a good virtual machine software for kubuntu?
[04:43] <mefisto__> virtualbox
[04:44] <SuspectZero> is it compatible with files from vmware?
[04:44] <mefisto__> SuspectZero: you can get help for it in #vbox
[04:44] <mefisto__> yes
[04:44] <SuspectZero> awesome. thanks
[04:44] <mefisto__> there is a repo to get a newer version than the one in ubuntu official repos too
[04:45] <SuspectZero> oic. k i will check it out
[04:46] <jimdb> does anyone know how/where to get screen savers for kde 4.2?
[04:46] <SuspectZero> kde-look.org
[04:46] <SuspectZero> im fairly sure thts the site
[04:46] <jimdb> suspectzero:  nope
[04:46] <SuspectZero> !kde-look
[04:46] <SuspectZero> my mistake then
[04:47] <jimdb> i know what kde-look, etc is.  i'm looking for *"THE"* screen savers that are supposed to come with kde 4.2 that aren't there.
[04:48] <arshad> Hi IRC
[04:59] <ericu> buntu
[05:13] <klien03> helooooooooooooooo
[05:14] <klien03> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:14] <klien03> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:15] <mefisto__> ?
[05:16] <failers> hm where does the kmenu icon lay :P what if i wanna change its appearance
[05:17] <mefisto__> failers: locate kmenu.png   will probably tell you
[05:17] <mefisto__> failers: or use lancelot menu instead. that is configureable
[05:19] <failers> ok thanks for the tip will check what lancelot menu is
[05:19] <mefisto__> always wondered why kubuntu doesn't use the kubuntu logo for the kmenu
[05:20] <mefisto__> or kickoff, as it's called now
[05:21] <failers> mefisto__:  plasmaoid-lancelot needs me to uninstall kdeplasma-addons and kdeplasma-addons-data :/
[05:22] <mefisto__> failers: ok. I found it in 4.2 and it was already there
[05:23] <failers> ah yea
[05:24] <mefisto__> you could rename the kmenu.png icon and replace it with the one you want, using the path/filename of the kmenu.png one being used
[05:25] <failers> ya
[05:25] <mefisto__> just got to figure out which one it is. or replace them all
[05:48] <maco> how do i tell the weather plasmoid where i live? it keeps rejecting it when i enter the city
[05:51] <zaapiel-mobile> it probally doesnt have your town maco
[05:52] <zaapiel-mobile> didnt have mine, i had to use the closes big city
[05:53] <mefisto__> maco: does it find your city?
[05:54] <maco> mefisto__: nno
[05:54] <maco> i type "washington" and hit search and it says it could not be found
[05:54] <maco> i have it set to NOAA's National Weather Service
[05:54] <mefisto__> which weather plasmoid is it?
[05:54] <maco> or "washington, dc" ...the one in kde 4.2
[05:55] <maco> LCD Weather Station
[05:56] <mefisto__> did you try the BBC one? that's the only one that worked for me
[05:56] <maco> mefisto__: will that work for non-UK areas?
[05:58] <zaapiel-mobile> lol 4 is kinda buggy
[05:58] <mefisto__> did for me
[05:59] <maco> it says "the place 'washington, dc' is not valid.  the data source is not able to find this place."
[05:59] <mefisto__> try without the dc on the end
[06:00] <maco> ah that works. thank you
[06:00] <mefisto__> is that 4.2 ?
[06:00] <jammons_> I'm getting an error trying to update to KDE 4.2
[06:00] <jammons_> is it cool if I past a few lines of printout?
[06:00] <maco> mefisto__: yes. but...i think it's in celcius...
[06:00] <mefisto__> I think that's configureable
[06:01] <mefisto__> hmm, maybe not
[06:01] <maco> mefisto__: any idea where? not in Regional settings like the rest of that sort is
[06:02] <mefisto__> I'm actually using a different weather plasmoid from someone's ppa
[06:02] <mefisto__> risky I suppose, since I don't really know what's in there or who is creating it
[06:03] <mefisto__> but it works well. has 5 day forecast too
[06:03] <mefisto__> and lots of other 4.2 plasmoids
[06:03] <mefisto__> found it here: https://launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive/ppa
[06:04] <mefisto__> !paste | jammons_
[06:05] <snarkster> i thought kde4.2 was out of ppa by now
[06:05] <maco> snarkster: it is. it's in jaunty.
[06:05] <mefisto__> snarkster: on intrepid?
[06:06] <snarkster> intrepid
[06:06] <maco> no
[06:06] <snarkster> ok
[06:06] <maco> it wont be in the regular intrepid repos. version bumps dont do that.
[06:06] <snarkster> ok
[06:07] <jammons_> alright, I'll post all of the feedout then. I got an error during the install which I probably should have written down, but now I'm getting dependency errors when trying to fix it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117543/
[06:07] <snarkster> has latest amarok been released to main repos yet?
[06:07] <maco> mefisto__: the simpleweatherforecast one?
[06:08] <maco> snarkster: version bumps on software do not go to main repos
[06:08] <maco> just bug fixes
[06:08] <snarkster> kk
[06:08] <maco> unless there's a very good reason....like it being the only way to get a whole lot of bugfixes in
[06:08] <mefisto__> maco: the one I'm using is just called "weather forecast" in my widgets list
[06:08] <jammons_> for some reason it's trying to roll back and install libplasma3
[06:09] <jammons_> oops, i'm still here
[06:09] <maco> mefisto__: 0.8?
[06:11] <aldo> hi
[06:11] <aldo> excusem
[06:11] <aldo> does anybody knows why cant i start a session?
[06:12] <mefisto__> maco: yes. and by the way, the intrepid ppa wouldn't work, but the jaunty one did
[06:12] <mefisto__> maco: I suppose the intrepid one he made is for kde 4.1
[06:15] <aldo> helppppp
[06:16] <aldo> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[06:16] <jammons_> can you be more specific aldo?
[06:16] <aldo_> ok
[06:17] <mefisto__> jammons_: try apt-get dist-upgrade, or apt-get -f install
[06:17] <mefisto__> jammons_: or aptitude upgrade
[06:17] <jammons_> mefisto__: I did try aptitude -f install, oh ok, I'll try that
[06:18] <mefisto__> jammons_: aptitude tends to be better at resolving problems than apt-get
[06:20] <jammons_> mefisto__: alright, I'm still getting dependency issues from packages saying that libplasma3 is required
[06:20] <aldo_> when in the part where i have to write my password i wrote ir correctly but i don't know why then the same thing get back to appear like if i haven't wrotten my password like ir it where recursive
[06:21] <jammons_> mefisto__: it looks like kdebase-plasma, kdebase-workspace-libs4+5, ksysguard, kdebase-workspace-bin
[06:21] <aldo_> now i'm on the live cd but i don't know what can i do
[06:21] <mefisto__> jammons_: I had a similar problem, but just with gwenview. I removed it, upgraded, then installed it
[06:22] <jammons_> aldo_: try going to a different tty by pressing ctrl+alt+f1 then logging in there, that will clear up any username/password issues and make sure you can log in
[06:22] <aldo_> ok
[06:23] <jammons_> aldo_: then you can try running the x-environment from there I think, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, I think the command is like startx
[06:23] <mefisto__> jammons_: or you could dpkg -i --force-overwrite <path-to-the-deb-file.deb>
[06:23] <jammons_> aldo_: see if that gives you any error feedback that might be helpful
[06:24] <jammons_> mefisto__: what deb would I run that on though?
[06:25] <jammons_> mefisto__: I'm a little nervous about removing ksysguard or kdebase-workspace, any idea what that might do?
[06:25] <mefisto__> jammons_: I suppose the ones that aren't installing
[06:25] <mefisto__> jammons_: you can always reinstall them
[06:26] <jammons_> yeah, I was just hoping to avoid possibly breaking my GUI
[06:26] <jammons_> mefisto__: I'll give it a shot though
[06:26] <mefisto__> jammons_: even if you can't for some reason, you could take out the ppa repo and just reinstall the official 4.1 ones you have now
[06:27] <jammons_> mefisto__: alright
[06:27] <mefisto__> jammons_: just keep track of which ones you're removing
[06:27] <maco> mefisto__: just read through the code real quick.  no obvious malware, but i didnt check for vulnerabilities (like potential for buffer overflows and such)
[06:28] <mefisto__> maco: I'm just running 4.2 in a vm, so I wasn't too worried
[06:29] <mefisto__> maybe that's a false sense of security. I'm not too sure :)
[06:33] <jammons_> mefisto__: I think I fixed it. I just manually told it to install kdeplasmoids-libs4, which for some reason it wanted to remove and it looks like it was able to configure stuff after that
[06:34] <mefisto__> jammons_: ok cool. it's like that for most people I think, juggling different packages until it all works
[06:34] <jammons_> mefisto__: I'm going to try running the aptitude upgrade now
[06:34] <mefisto__> oh, I thought you'd done it
[06:34] <jammons_> mefisto__: yeah me too
[06:35] <jammons_> mefisto__: through the GUI, but it looks like there's a bunch of stuff not updated
[06:35] <jammons_> iit must have bailed after the failure
[06:35] <jammons_> looks like it completed
[06:36] <jammons_> alright, going for the x-server restart, thanks for the help
[06:36] <maco> mefisto__: er, when i put it on the panel it gets all squished
[06:37] <mefisto__> maco: oh. I don't use it on the panel
[06:37] <maco> mefisto__: oh its a desktop one? :-/
[06:38] <mefisto__> maco: suppose it's desktop only. or maybe add another BIG panel somewhere and make it autohide
[06:51] <maco> so um, my desktop just turned grey. what's that mean?
[06:52] <maco> theres a narrow strip of wallpaper background at the top. i get context menu if i right click there. nothing if i right click on the grey
[06:52] <failers> anyone got kdevelop4 newest version in a .deb and can upload it?
[06:53] <maco> i think plasma did something that falls into the "wrong" category, but i dont know what. plasma's still running according to ps
[06:59] <mefisto__> maco: btw, I managed to get that weather plasmoid to fit in the panel not sure how exactly. I think I put it on desktop, configured, then dragged to panel. but it just shows an icon, no temps. if you click it, it pops up a window with details
[07:02] <will_> Couls someone help me out with a problem i am having with my intel driver.
[07:03] <will_> It is currently sending me back to teh login screen when i change screen resolutions.
[07:05] <maco> mefisto__: ok, thanks
[07:07] <lenovoo> merhaba arkadaşlar kubuntu kde 8.10 kde 4.1 yüklü ben kde 4.2 ye nasıl geçerim updateler var onları suan yüklüyorum bittiğinde hiçbirşey yapmadan kde 4.2 geçmiş olurmuyum ?
[07:08] <mefisto__> turkish?
[07:08] <lenovoo> yes
[07:08] <mefisto__> !tr
[07:08] <lenovoo> ok
[07:17] <lenovoo> hello my computer, I installed kubuntu kde 4.2 to 4.1 kde 8:10 with updates to install or upgrade a console command Can Do
[07:17] <lenovoo> google translate :)
[07:19] <maco> lenovoo: google translates bad
[07:19] <maco> O_O
[07:19] <lenovoo> 	
[07:19] <lenovoo> kde 4.1 kde 4.2 will be short, how
[07:19] <maco> ok
[07:20] <lenovoo> maco oke .)
[07:20] <maco> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[07:21] <maco> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 493B3065 && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[07:22] <maco> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:22] <lenovoo> oke
[07:22] <mefisto__> sudo apt-get remove koffice-data-kde4
[07:23] <lenovoo> 251 software updates install
[07:24] <mefisto__> lenovoo: first:  sudo apt-get remove koffice-data-kde4
[07:24] <lenovoo> ok
[07:24] <anr78> Hey. I'm trying to setup a dual system on my Intrepid install. Do I have to do xorg.conf-fiddling to make this work? I want to adjust the resolution of my secondary monitor, and the placement of it in the virtual framebuffer.
[07:25] <anr78> dual screen system, that is
[07:26] <tux> привет всем
[07:26] <mefisto__>  !ru
[08:14] <aldo_> help
[08:14] <dutler> whats up aldo?
[08:14] <aldo_> does somebody can help me?
[08:15] <CuriosTiger> Hi all.
[08:15] <dutler> rather thank as for help. discribe your problem in a few lines and see if anyone takes the bait :)
[08:16] <aldo_> i have the next problem i can't loggin, i have a recursive error or i don't know when i write mi password and then i have to do it again and agin
[08:16] <CuriosTiger> KDE seems to forget what resolution I've set it to. It uses the wrong resolution for the login screem (kdm) and once logged in. As soon as I open the Display control panel, however, it magically switches to the correct resolution.
[08:17] <dutler> aldo_ i havent seen that before. what os ru running? hwat recent changes have you made? can you ssh with your creditials?
[08:18] <aldo_> the problem is the next, when i try to loggin with ctrl alt f1: fatal server error: server is already active for display 0, if this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.XO-LOCK and start again, no protocol specified givin up. xinit: interrupted system call (errno4) unable to connect to x server
[08:19] <aldo_> i change the interface that at the beggining appears
[08:19] <aldo_> changed*
[08:20] <dutler> sounds beyond me. since im no genius, i would dpkg-reconfigure kdm xserver-xorg ...
[08:21] <dutler> curiostiger: are u suing open graphics drivers?
[08:22] <aldo_> ok
[08:22] <saifin> hello
[08:22] <saifin> I'm new to kubuntu
[08:22] <aldo_> the next questions is the next " use de interface of dispositives "framebuffer" of the nucleo? yes or not?
[08:23] <saifin> not
[08:23] <dutler> ya... sorry aldo... maybe you will need to del the config files and restall as well....
[08:23] <saifin> can someone guide me
[08:23] <dutler> on fb, id try with out first... if doenst work you can try with
[08:23] <saifin> how to install plugin
[08:23] <dutler> ya safin: what plugin?
[08:23] <saifin> ok
[08:23] <saifin> flash player 10
[08:24] <saifin> i have downloaded the file
[08:24] <dutler> konqueror or firefox or what?
[08:24] <saifin> konqueror
[08:24] <saifin> now im downloading firefox
[08:25] <aldo_> dutler: any another idea?
[08:25] <dutler> i just chekced, flash works for me... i dont remember installin a plug in :D
[08:25] <aldo_> can i do somethin from the live cd?
[08:25] <saifin> ahaks
[08:25] <dutler> i have flashplugin-nonfree installed
[08:25] <dutler> try that
[08:26] <dutler> aldo, what was the resault?
[08:26] <aldo_> nothing i couldnt configure all the things asked
[08:27] <aldo_> i didn't know how to configure the kayboard and other things
[08:27] <saifin> if we have downloaded the file how to install ? sorry i'm noob
[08:28] <aldo_> some suggestion?
[08:28] <dutler> saifin: sudo aptitude install adobe-flashplugin flashplugin-nonfree
[08:28] <dutler> aldo_ jsuta a sec
[08:28] <aldo_> ok
[08:28] <aldo_> thanks
[08:30] <dutler> aldo_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:30] <aldo_> ok
[08:30] <dutler> -phigh flag should auto the questions
[08:30] <dutler> do you have flatpannels?
[08:30] <dutler> what is your driver?
[08:32] <aldo_> xserver-xorg posting warning: overwiting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in etc/x11/xorg.conf.20090213023128
[08:33] <aldo_> i have the compiaz manager the icon emerald installed
[08:33] <dutler> just means that is save a back of the file before changing
[08:33] <dutler> so your using ati or nvidia drivers?
[08:34] <aldo_> i don't remind it
[08:34] <dutler> ok ... can you log in now?
[08:35] <aldo_> yes i can log in but i can't enter with startx
[08:36] <dutler> why startx?
[08:36] <aldo_> mmm i don't know that's how i get in with wifislax
[08:37] <aldo_> another suggestion?
[08:38] <dutler> beaats me man, i thought you were using kubuntu. ive never been on slax
[08:39] <jussi01> Hi all! is there some way to auto move items older than a certain age in kmail?
[08:39] <aldo_> no, i mean i used startx on wifislax but i'm already on kubuntu 4.1
[08:39] <dutler> on debian/ubuntu u can start kdm via > sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[08:39] <dutler> on 8.10 or 8.4?
[08:40] <aldo_> mmm i don't know i just know that it is 4.1 is the last one
[08:40] <aldo_> i download it like a week a go
[08:40] <dutler> on 8.10 you can use >sudo service kdm restart
[08:41] <will_> I have a question that i am sure everyone can answer for me.
[08:41] <will_> I am currently new to KDE.
[08:41] <will_> What video player could i use for all around video's?
[08:41] <will_> I used Totem on Gnome.
[08:42] <aldo_> dutler: i do that and  then i get back when i have to write my pass but the problem continuos is like cilcic i have to write again and again
[08:42] <will_> Worked very well for what i did, but Dragon player isnt that great.
[08:42] <dutler> will: i use kafiene for my video
[08:42] <bindaas> try mplayer
[08:42] <spectral> will, smplayer or vlc perhaps
[08:42] <whyhankee> will_: for general formats i use smplayer, other 'strange' formats go to vlc
[08:42] <CuriosTiger> dutler: Running vmware's drivers.
[08:42] <dutler> aldo_ your are using 8.10?
[08:42] <aldo_> yes
[08:42] <aldo_> 8.10
[08:43] <will_> Is there a video player that will automatically fetch the proper codec's for me?
[08:44] <dutler> im not sure what to tell ya aldo_ you can try upgrading to kde4.2 ... im not sure whats going on
[08:44] <aldo_> in the part where i have to write my password i wrote ir correctly but i don't know why then the asked me the same thing get back to appear like if i haven't wrotten my password like ir it where recursive
[08:44] <dutler> will_ kaffien does
[08:44] <aldo_> maybe is because i changed the image of arranque
[08:45] <will_> What about KMplayer?
[08:45] <will_> Is it worth while?
[08:45] <dutler> will_ mplayer is great. i havient used the kmplayer frontend
[08:46] <aldo_> dutler :you don't know if i can get in a time before form the live cd or something like that
[08:46] <will_> I will try kaffeine and kmplayer.
[08:46] <whyhankee> will_: well, you can try for yourself, there's nothing wrong with some investigions to you your personal preferences :)
[08:46] <dutler> aldo_ mayber id ont udnerstand what the deal is.... you long in to kdm... kde loads than then your propted again?
[08:46] <will_> Haha, yeah true.
[08:47] <dutler> aldo_ all that dpkg-reconfigure stuff was ment for curioustiger :)
[08:48] <aldo_> yes
[08:48] <will_> I sure do wish winamp would come to linux.
[08:48] <aldo_> it doesn't load
[08:48] <dutler> aldo_ what is the name of the second password dialog that pops up?
[08:48] <dutler> wait, what doesnt load?
[08:49] <aldo_> the kde, the screen get black and then the welcome interface appears again
[08:49] <aldo_> you know the pass and the logg is not the problem, the problem is that the sistem doesn't load
[08:50] <dutler> ok, the welcome screen is kdm.... all right, xorg and kdm works fine, but kdm cant log you into anything
[08:51] <whyhankee> aldo_: can you check 2 things? a) do you have a command in ~/.xession? b) check ~/.xsession-errors?
[08:51] <aldo_> ok
[08:51] <aldo_> let me check
[08:51] <whyhankee> you can try this by loggging in form the console
[08:51] <dutler> aldo_ there is "session" and "type" options.... what are useing?
[08:51] <whyhankee> dutler: ah, yes, good one, third option :)
[08:52] <aldo_> session in kde also in gnome or others the start welcome appears and appears
[08:53] <dutler> ok so you can log into gnome from kdm either?
[08:53] <will_> Mplayer is the winner on my test's.
[08:53] <doktoreas> dutler: you can select your session
[08:53] <will_> Thank you guy's, i really appreciate it.
[08:54] <aldo_> yes, but the problem is that the welcome intarface appears recursivly
[08:54] <dutler> check the type.... can you log in via console? make sure you your not tring to do a remote session
[08:55] <aldo_> no, i'm not tring ina remote session
[08:55] <aldo_> i can't log in the console
[08:55] <aldo_> but i can't not enter
[08:55] <dutler> im pretty sure its not a recursive issue.... but the destop enviroment isnt loading
[08:55] <will_> aldo_: What kind of VGA adapter do you have?
[08:55] <aldo_> that's right the desktop enviroment isn't loading
[08:55] <aldo_> it is not a hardware problem
[08:56] <aldo_> the only thing that laod anda load is the welcome interface where you have to wirte your pass
[08:56] <will_> I kind of figured that, i'm just curious for the fact i keep getting booted back to my login screen.
[08:56] <aldo_> =(
[08:57] <dutler> aldo_ with you not beingable to log in console ... i thnk something is messed up with kdm
[08:57] <will_> My problem has to do with resolution changes in the Intel based VGA chipset.
[08:57] <whyhankee> dutler: i had this once (logging in, black screen, and then back to kdm login page), in my case it was a problem with something that started from .xsession (but could be another program started from somewhere), not the problem is finding out which one, did the last lines of .xsession-errors gave you any clue?
[08:58] <dutler> i had simular sysmtoms wiht doing remote sessions.....
[08:58] <aldo_> =(
[08:59] <dutler> aldo_ checking our the .xsession-erros is a good idea
[08:59] <aldo_> =°(
[08:59] <dutler> if you cant fig anying out, you can reinstall kdm ?
[09:00] <aldo_> i write that ".xsessions" in the console and it didn't find the order
[09:02] <dutler> aldo_ its a file... you open it with an editor
[09:03] <aldo_> i'm beginner i don't know how to do it
[09:06] <dim3dro1> hi
[09:06] <dim3dro1> I've upgraded KDE to 4.1.2
[09:07] <dim3dro1> and now when I try to log in, I see only image from login screen
[09:07] <dim3dro1> grey with bubbles
[09:07] <dim3dro1> kde doesn't start
[09:08] <dutler> aldo_ use your webbrowaser as well as the irc -  > nano ~/.xsession-errors
[09:08] <whyhankee> aldo_: try less .xsession-errors
[09:09] <dutler> dim3dro1: have you checked out the forums? what method did you use to iupgrade?
[09:09] <whyhankee> dim3dro1: what are the symptoms?
[09:11] <dim3dro1> dutler: 1. yes 2. add ppa.launchpad.net to repos and `sudo aptitude upgrade`
[09:12] <dutler> did you have koffice or plasmoids installed?
[09:12] <dim3dro1> no
[09:12] <dim3dro1> default kubuntu 8.10
[09:12] <dim3dro1> I haven't configured my desktop yet
[09:13] <dim3dro1> removing ~/.kde didn't help
[09:13] <syockit> dim3dro1: bubble --> mouse pointer (loading)?
[09:14] <dutler> i think there has been all of incomplete 4.2 upgrades.
[09:14] <syockit> dim3dro1: wait, did you actually mean 4.2?
[09:14] <dutler> here is my expeience and solutions http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1056323
[09:15] <dutler> but im off to bed, so the only help ill be is wishin ya good luck
[09:16] <dim3dro1> tnx
[09:24] <ActionParsnip2> yo yo yo
[09:25] <aldo_> tu tu tu
[09:25] <aldo_> que que que
[09:25] <aldo_> i finallly could start thanksss
[09:25] <dim3dro1> oh, I've just nstalled kubuntu-desktop and it works
[09:25] <dim3dro1> dutler: thanks a lot
[09:26] <xain> Could someone help me out on a problem ihave with my video playback.
[09:30] <aldo_> xain: what do you have?
[09:30] <xain> I'm not sure really.
[09:30] <aldo_> what's the problem
[09:30] <xain> Don't know if it is my VGA driver's or what.
[09:30] <xain> I try to play back video, DVD, or VLC, even in video games.
[09:31] <aldo_> ok, and then?
[09:31] <xain> I get some kind of lag every once in awhile and my sound and resolution bug's out on me.
[09:31] <xain> Sometime's i get kicked out to my login screen.
[09:32] <xain> Not sure if my laptop os just a piece of crap or what.
[09:32] <xain> I didn't have this problem at all in 8.04
[09:35] <aldo_> mm
[09:35] <aldo_> so the problem is not the codecs or the program that you use
[09:36] <xain> Nope.
[09:36] <xain> Something new.
[09:37] <xain> I was using regular Ubuntu 8.04 before, now i'm on Kubuntu 8.10
[09:39] <xain> Regular audio is not effected.
[09:39] <xain> So say....
[09:39] <xain> Amarok music player.
[09:39] <xain> Youtube is not effected.
[09:39] <xain> Only thing's on my laptop itself like dvd's, DMG file's.
[09:40] <xain> All that good junk.
[09:40] <xain> I think it's my visual driver.
[09:40] <xain> Intel 945GMA chipset.
[09:42] <ActionParsnip2> xain: i think that uses the intel driver, or try the i810
[09:43] <xain> Hello again ActionParsnip.
[09:43] <xain> I have tried to get the test version of the i810 -intel driver's, i was hit with a warning that i am not able to open the package.
[09:44] <xain> If you cold manually walk me through on what to do i would greatly appreciate it.
[09:44] <syockit> I thought the i810 driver is going to be phased out? anyways, since it's 945gm, try intel driver
[09:45] <xain> How would i go about doing it?
[09:46] <xain> I am a new user to linux.
[09:46] <syockit> I think you already have intel driver enabled by default, if you're using 8.10
[09:46] <ct529> hi everybody .... hi syockit
[09:46] <xain> Yes.
[09:47] <xain> So i'm screwed pretty much, haha.
[09:47] <syockit> hi ct529
[09:47] <ct529> xain: what is the problem?
[09:47] <xain> I had an intel driver in 8.04 that worked correctly.
[09:47] <syockit> xain: the symptom didn't look like intel driver problem to me
[09:47] <syockit> xain: no, explain the symptom. it might not be intel driver
[09:47] <xain> Ok.
[09:47] <xain> Let's say.
[09:47] <xain> I change resolution.
[09:48] <xain> I get booted back to login screen.
[09:48] <xain> That's the main one.
[09:48] <xain> The second.
[09:49] <xain> During playback of visual, DVD, FLV, and MP4. Every once in awhile about every 4 second's, it skip's like a scratched CD.
[09:49] <xain> Even when the files are stored directly on my HDD.
[09:50] <ActionParsnip2> xain: have you tested your ram?
[09:51] <syockit> alright, now it really starts to sound like a certain intel problem, #303011
[09:51] <syockit> bug #303011
[09:51] <xain> Yes i have tested my RAM.
[09:51] <xain> And i know my intel is a piece of crap, haha.
[09:51] <xain> It's not the intel that is doing it though.
[09:51] <syockit> and many people reported performance drop after moving to intrepid
[09:51] <xain> I did not have this problem until i upgraded to 8.10
[09:52] <xain> YES!
[09:52] <xain> I was on Gnome Ubuntu before hand.
[09:52] <xain> I am on KDE Intrepid now.
[09:52] <syockit> there was a change in intel driver in the kernel as well
[09:52] <xain> I think Intrepid hates me :(
[09:52] <ct529> xain: have you tried looking on the intel site for drivers?
[09:53] <xain> Meh, only one driver i trust from Intel for this VGA chipset is extremely old.
[09:54] <xain> And it's XP only...
[09:54] <ActionParsnip2> xain: which kde are you running and how much ram do you have?
[09:55] <xain> KDE 4.1, 2gig's ram.
[09:56] <syockit> naah, intel drivers get pushed to the repo in the end
[09:56] <ct529> I have a sata disk .... in the BIOS, would you choose ATA or AHCI for maximum performance?
[09:56] <ct529> I am using ata but I am not terribly happy
[09:56] <syockit> now lets see if your drm is running....
[09:57] <syockit> xain: okay, do you have libdrm installed? do this: aptitude search ~ilibdrm
[09:58] <ActionParsnip2> xain: hmm should be ok then
[10:00] <xain> i   libdrm2                         - Userspace interface to kernel DRM services
[10:00] <xain> That came back to me.
[10:01] <ct529> xain: what driver are you using?
[10:01] <xain> The one that came as Default with 8.10
[10:01] <xain> I am new to linux i try not to goof around with it much.
[10:02] <xain> Last time i messed with it was with Pulse Audio.
[10:02] <syockit> xain: there should be a libdrm-intel1 if I'm not mistaken, see if the package is available
[10:02] <xain> Didn't come out of the hole that well.
[10:02] <syockit> xain: aptitude search libdrm
[10:02] <xain> I do that in Console correct?
[10:02] <syockit> yes
[10:03] <syockit> pulseaudio did have an issue, but it only caused audio to stutter, not video as well
[10:03] <xain> Yeha that was my problem.
[10:03] <xain> But that was before i re-formatted.
[10:03] <xain> So that's out of the way.
[10:03] <ct529> xain: are you using synaptic?
[10:04] <xain> libdrm2
[10:04] <xain> Umm.
[10:04] <xain> I am usind Adept.
[10:04] <xain> OH
[10:04] <xain> Yes i have that too.
[10:04] <ct529> syockit: cannot find it .... there are 2 drivers for i810 though .... you should try both
[10:05] <xain> How do i tell which libdrm i am using?
[10:05] <ct529> xain: you should have only one drm :)
[10:05] <syockit> libdrm is the base, libdrm-intel1 depends on it
[10:06] <xain> Oh i see.
[10:06] <syockit> xain: so there is libdrm-intel1?
[10:06] <xain> I am using the libdrm2
[10:06] <syockit> that gets installed by default I suppose
[10:06] <xain> libdrmaa1.0
[10:07] <xain> All i know is this new Intel driver is a little gidgity.
[10:07] <syockit> never heard of that
[10:07] <toni_> sorry to bother you all, but how can i install firefox (i'm very new to kubuntu)
[10:07] <syockit> xain: oh, that libdrmaa has nothing to do with this drm
[10:08] <xain> Ok.
[10:08] <syockit> xain: basically, you need to have these installed: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[10:09] <xain> I have absolutely no clue how to check out if they are installed or not.
[10:09] <syockit> xain: libgl1-mesa-dri
[10:09] <syockit> xain: there are many methods. one is to use dpkg. another is aptitude, adept is also possible....
[10:10] <syockit> xain: let me show you dpkg way. dpkg -l <package name>
[10:10] <syockit> xain: so in this case; dpkg -l libdrm-intel1
[10:10] <xain> How do i get dpkg?
[10:11] <syockit> xain: dpkg is available by default. try it on the commandline
[10:12] <ActionParsnip2> thatd be a pain to reinstall dpkg
[10:12] <ActionParsnip2> ;)
[10:12] <syockit> naaah, it won't disappear by itself, will it?
[10:12] <xain> I see.
[10:13] <ActionParsnip2> syockit: no not on its own
[10:13] <xain> I got into dkpg, but the command  dpkg -l libdrm-intel1
[10:13] <syockit> xain: if it's installed, it will have 'ii' on the left side of the package name
[10:13] <xain> That doesn't work for me.
[10:13] <xain> No packages matching that name.
[10:14] <xain> Where would i find that package at?
[10:14] <syockit> xain: "No packages found matching libdrm-intel1" or something?
[10:14] <xain> Yes.
[10:14] <bob_> salut
[10:14] <syockit> xain: hmm, that thing was still not introduced in intrepid i suppose
[10:15] <syockit> xain: also check package libgl1-mesa-dri
[10:15] <xain> I'm better off going back to 8.04 aern't i...
[10:16] <syockit> xain: then you're going to lose all the new packages, but if that doesn't hurt...
[10:16] <xain> bash: libgl1-mesa-dri: command not found
[10:16] <xain> Nothing extremely special about 8.04.
[10:16] <xain> This is a fresh install.
[10:16] <xain> I formatted my 8.04 then upgraded to 8.10
[10:17] <syockit> xain: no, I only gave the package name. do dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri
[10:18] <syockit> xain: also, the problem might be on the kernel, so even updating drivers won't help
[10:18] <xain> One sec.
[10:18] <syockit> xain: did you upgrade through adept or anything?
[10:18] <xain> I did the wrong thing.
[10:19] <xain> ibgl1-mesa-dr 7.2-1ubuntu2
[10:19] <xain> That's what i just got back from the line you gave me.
[10:19] <syockit> xain: what's the two letters on the left?
[10:19] <xain> Well.
[10:19] <xain> ii  libgl1-mesa-dr 7.2-1ubuntu2   A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- D
[10:19] <syockit> okay, that means it's installed
[10:19] <syockit> ii --> package is installed
[10:20] <syockit> xain: do you know how to pastebin? I'm gonna ask you to pastebin your xorg.conf
[10:21] <bob_> hello
[10:21] <xain> oh boy.
[10:21] <xain> This is gonna be fun figuring out, haha.
[10:21] <xain> Tell me how i do it.
[10:21] <SlimeyPete> !pastebin
[10:22] <bob_> someone has an nvidia there?
[10:22] <xain> Sweet,
[10:22] <xain> How do i get my xorg.conf now?
[10:22] <ActionParsnip2> bob_: me
[10:23] <ct529> bob_: me
[10:23] <xain> Wish i had an nvidia....
[10:23] <xain> Or an ATI.
[10:23] <syockit> xain: and you'll see more trouble, I assure you ;)
[10:23] <syockit> xain: let's install pastebinit. do this: sudo aptitude install pastebinit
[10:24] <ct529> xain: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:24] <zer0o> ActionParnsip: u gotta help me :D mounting an external hd on xandros, im sure u can :D i can't
[10:24] <ct529> hey guys .... I have a sata disk .... in the BIOS, would you choose ATA or AHCI for maximum performance?
[10:24] <bob_> do you know for the cards that are not standard and which overheat?
[10:25] <ct529> bob_: define non standard :)
[10:25] <bob_> like the geforce 6800 and 6600?
[10:25] <bob_> they used bad materials or forgive somes
[10:25] <bob_> so the cards overheat
[10:26] <bob_> gave*
[10:26] <xain> Removing linux-headers-2.6.27-7-generic  O.O
[10:26] <xain> Is that bad?
[10:26] <syockit> xain: why?
[10:27] <xain> I typed in what you told me to.
[10:27] <syockit> xain: ah, it's aptitude doing that autoremove thing
[10:27] <ActionParsnip2> bob_: its offtopic here as its not ubuntu related
[10:27] <ActionParsnip2> !ot | bob
[10:27] <syockit> xain: well, you have another linux-headers, so don't mind
[10:28] <xain> Well where is that paste binit thingy at?
[10:28] <syockit> xain: next we are going to use pastebinit to send your xorg.conf. do this: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit -
[10:29] <xain> http://pastebin.com/f55c2be88
[10:29] <ActionParsnip2> syockit: or: pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:29] <syockit> ActionParsnip2: oh, I thought you needed -i for that...
[10:30] <xain> I don't see what's so special abotu that info.
[10:30] <ActionParsnip2> syockit: nar
[10:30] <xain> Look's the same as everyone elses.
[10:30] <ActionParsnip2> syockit: you're on the scent now :)
[10:30] <ActionParsnip2> xain: it doesnt
[10:30] <syockit> wow, that looks like a typical empty xorg.conf from a fresh intrepid's dexconf
[10:31] <xain> Yeah....
[10:31] <syockit> but you said you came from hardy, so I expected something there
[10:31]  * ActionParsnip2 yells 'finish him' to syockit
[10:31] <xain> I don't know how to mess with my stuff yet, haha.
[10:31] <ct529> xain: it is empty
[10:31] <xain> Really?
[10:31] <xain> It has info on the page i'm on.
[10:32] <ct529> xain: not physically empty .... but there is no useful information for the xserver.
[10:32] <ct529> xain: in other words, has not been configrued
[10:32] <xain> Oh.
[10:32] <xain> Well yeah.
[10:32] <syockit> xain: the current configuration relies solely on autoconfiguration
[10:32] <xain> I'm new, haha.
[10:32] <syockit> ct529: did they have autoconfig on hardy?
[10:32] <xain> Yes.
[10:33] <xain> Atleast i didn't have to do anything and mine worked correctly on Hardy.
[10:33] <xain> My OpenGL sucked, but still... It worked correctly.
[10:33] <syockit> xain: no, what I was trying to say was about xorg.conf
[10:34] <xain> Oh, no clue.
[10:34] <syockit> xain: usually the installer gets it done for you after it detects your hardware
[10:34] <syockit> xain: that's not how it works nowadays though
[10:36] <xain> All i know is that.
[10:37] <xain> When i play game's.
[10:37] <ct529> syockit: I do not know, I install the drivers manually ....
[10:37] <xain> My vga turn's out correct, then i get some kind of a graphical skip, then graphic's are jacked up.
[10:37] <ct529> syockit: I think dpkg-reconfigure xorg could do the trick
[10:38] <syockit> ct529: but that'll bring in lots of unnecessary entries
[10:40] <ct529> syockit: alternatively you can configure it manually ....
[10:41] <syockit> ct529: actually I think hal/x is doing a good job configuring it already
[10:41] <syockit> just some tidbits missing
[10:41] <syockit> xain: do this: ls -l /dev/dri/card0
[10:41] <ct529> syockit: hal/x?
[10:42] <syockit> ct529: don't know who's responsible for which. hal detects all those input devices and tells tells x which driver to load, i don't know about video/audio though
[10:42] <xain> crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 226, 0 2009-02-13 04:14 /dev/dri/card0
[10:43] <ct529> syockit: I did not know .... does it do some kind of autoconfiguration of X?
[10:43] <syockit> ct529: starting intrepid, yes. as you can see, xorg.conf is optional
[10:44] <syockit> ct529: you can try renaming xorg.conf to something else and see if it works correctly
[10:44] <syockit> (I cant though, I need special drivers for my touchscreen)
[10:45] <syockit> heyyy, the dri's also on mode 666! what else could be the problem?
[10:45] <syockit> xain: I'm running out of cards to play here
[10:46] <xain> Lol.
[10:46] <xain> I think it's just a bug.
[10:46] <ct529> syockit: I do not know .... I use manually installed drivers to run CUDA
[10:46] <xain> *COUGH* vista crap *COUGH*
[10:46] <xain> Vista does the same bug to tell you the truth.
[10:47] <syockit> xain: hehe. I had everything running fine on vista, but it's slow like h.......
[10:47] <xain> Meh.
[10:47] <xain> My 945GMA ran really buggy on vista.
[10:47] <xain> But believe it or not...
[10:47] <xain> It's better on se7en
[10:48] <xain> But this is pretty much the same bug i had with vista.
[10:48] <xain> Just some upgraded driver that add's new junk that actually screw's it up.
[10:48] <syockit> xain: maybe the newer driver caused it?
[10:48] <xain> I'll probably get 8.04 KDE and try that out.
[10:49] <xain> Yes.
[10:49] <xain> 1 of 2 thing's may have caused it.
[10:49] <syockit> xain: but how did you get it better on se7en? it must have even newer driver
[10:49] <xain> I used 8.04 Hardy Gnome before. I formatted my HDD and installed 8.10 Intrepid KDE.
[10:50] <xain> Oh, you meant on windows.
[10:50] <xain> Heh.
[10:50] <xain> It's a customized driver by Intel.
[10:50] <xain> They have been expecting it for abotu 2 year's now.
[10:50] <xain> It's the WDDM version of the
[10:50] <xain> Intel driver.
[10:50] <xain> Sorry abotu that.
[10:51] <syockit> I'm also sorry that you have to move back
[10:51] <xain> I need a GUI frontend for configuration of my VGA driver.
[10:51] <xain> If i had one i would have it made.
[10:52] <xain> I see one's for ATI and Nvidia...
[10:52] <xain> But i'm a poor boy, i have to deal with the all around crappy Intel. xD
[10:52] <syockit> xain: there's only driconf as far as I can remember
[10:52] <syockit> xain: and it's not intel-specific
[10:53] <ActionParsnip2> +1 crappy intel
[10:53] <xain> I got that already.
[10:53] <xain> It recognized my Intel GPU believe it or not, haha.
[10:53] <ct529> xain: try to do dpkg--reconfigure xorg before reinstalling
[10:54] <syockit> ActionParsnip2: aww cmon, at least they're working with them kernel/xorg dudes much more closely than other lads
[10:54] <ActionParsnip2> Nvidia all the way here
[10:55] <xain> dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
[10:55] <ActionParsnip2> xain: that'll need sudo
[10:55] <ct529> I am very happy with the nvidia drivers .... the only problem is they are closed source
[10:55] <xain> From the bootup command box?
[10:55] <ct529> xain: sudo
[10:55] <ct529> xain: from the konsole
[10:55] <syockit> xain: do this at command line: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[10:55] <ct529> xain: sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[10:55] <ct529> syockit: :)
[10:55] <syockit> or was it xorg-xserver?
[10:56] <ct529> syockit: maybe ....
[10:56] <ct529> xain: try both of them ....
 how can i changeback the efault ugly green from my control bar
 it was black like the application launcher still is
 it just changed with kde 4.2
[10:56] <ActionParsnip2> ct529: if they work....who cares is my theory
[10:56] <_lumm> anyone got a clue?
[10:56] <gorgonizer> I think it is xserver-xorg ;)
[10:56] <xain> Do i restart now?
[10:57] <ActionParsnip2> _lumm: can you give us a screenshot?
[10:57] <ct529> ActionParsnip2: I am really unfomfortable with that
[10:57] <ct529> xain: have you tried both sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xorg and suod
[10:57] <ct529> xain: and sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:57] <ct529> xain: ?
[10:58] <ActionParsnip2> ct529: they make the hardware so they should provide the software too, makes sense as they will know the hardware better than anyone else
[10:58] <syockit> _lumm: if you disable desktop-effects, you'll get the black one ;)
[10:58] <xain> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg..... Just got me a completely different interface.
[10:58] <xain> One sec, imma read this.
[10:59] <syockit> _lumm: actually, if you looked at kde4's doc on themeing, you'll know where to find the svgs
[10:59] <ct529> ActionParsnip2: well, if they gave us an os driver we could maybe help as well
[11:00] <ActionParsnip2> ct529: true but its how they roll. Im happy for them to do their job which I'm paying my cash for the cards for them to do
[11:01] <syockit> ct529: well, they're confident in their abilities to maintain the drivers for each os
[11:03] <ct529> syockit: I imagine .... still do not like it
[11:03] <ActionParsnip2> ct529: theyve rocked it so far, why change it
[11:04] <xain> Ok.
[11:04] <xain> Configuring xserver-xorg
[11:04] <xain> I'm gonna jack up my laptop, haha.
[11:05] <ct529> xain: is it configuring?
[11:05] <xain> XKB rul to set is XORG correct?
[11:06] <xain> This is for keyboard setup....
[11:06] <xain> Lol.
[11:08] <xain> I just reconfigured my keyboard.
[11:08] <ct529> xain: what is you keyboard?
[11:08] <xain> That command line i was given.
[11:08] <ct529> xain: ok .... now it should ask the mouse and then the graphic card
[11:08] <xain> It was for re-configuring the keyboard.
[11:08] <xain> Nope.
[11:08] <xain> Just keyboard.
[11:08] <xain> I'm back to the terminal now.
[11:09] <ct529> xain: I think I have finished my options ....
[11:09] <xain> I used   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:09] <xain> Any other's?
[11:09] <xain> Or is that the main one?
[11:10] <ct529> xain: yes .... it should be the main one
[11:10] <xain> Might just be 8.10 doing it to me then.
[11:11] <xain> Would i still have my IRC and everything else if i downgraded to 8.04?
[11:11] <bazhang> sure
[11:11] <bazhang> xain, but would require a full reinstall
[11:12] <xain> Yes i know.
[11:12] <xain> I had to do a full reinstall for 8.10
[11:12] <xain> I never do upgrades.
[11:12] <xain> I learned that from microsoft....
[11:12] <xain> Updates are never good from that company.
[11:12] <bazhang> xain, intel card?
[11:13] <xain> So i do format and full reinstall.
[11:13] <xain> Yes i run an Intel 945GMA.
[11:13] <xain> Or you could say Intel 950.
[11:13] <bazhang> and you have the correct drivers installed for 3d? xain
[11:13] <xain> Hell if i know.
[11:13] <xain> I'm not sure how to.
[11:14] <xain> I know they run correctly on 3d.
[11:14] <xain> I just have a skipping thing going on during playback of video, and get kicked back to logon from resolution changes.
[11:14] <bazhang> xserver-xorg-video-intel that one?
[11:15] <xain> I guess so.
[11:15] <xain> I'm new to this Linux era.
[11:15] <bazhang> xain, using compiz or not
[11:15] <xain> I have no clue what i am doing.
[11:15] <xain> No compiz.
[11:15] <xain> Just basic Kubuntu installation.
[11:15] <xain> All i changed was my background.
[11:16] <xain> But i had no problem at all with Compiz in 8.04.
[11:16] <bazhang> kde4 is a big change
[11:16] <xain> Except for that paint fire of the screen thing.
[11:16] <xain> I didn't use KDE before though.
[11:16] <xain> I used Gnome.
[11:17] <xain> I was wondering if KDE could be my problem.
[11:17] <xain> I'm running KDE 4.1
[11:17] <ct529> I have a sata disk .... in the BIOS, would you choose ATA or AHCI for maximum performance?Hey guys,
[11:17] <xain> Should i upgrade to 4.2?
[11:17] <bazhang> xain, you can give it a shot
[11:17] <dimitris> hello. i ve upgraded to kde 4.2 and now i can only see  a black screen and the mouse. im a newby can someone help?
[11:17] <ForeverSmurf> xain, are you getting graphical problems?
[11:17] <ForeverSmurf> corruption?
[11:17] <ForeverSmurf> it could be a driver issue?
[11:18] <bazhang> xain, though with jaunty in just two months time you could wait
[11:18] <xain> Kind of a corruption effect every once in awhile i guess you would say.
[11:18] <xain> Look's like funky color's when i open my menu's.
[11:18] <bazhang> 4.2 will be standard in jaunty
[11:18] <bazhang> ie no need for ppa
[11:18] <xain> I just ordered this Intrepid and got it in the mail 3 day's ago.....
[11:19] <xain> Damm bastard's upgrade too fast for me to keep up.
[11:19] <xain> Haha.
[11:19] <ForeverSmurf> why is ubuntu taking so long to get the packages for the stable nvidia 180.22+ drivers in intrepid
[11:19] <bazhang> well you should go with what suits you best, and 8.04.2 is LTS
[11:19] <ForeverSmurf> it's causing users so many problems!!!!!!!!
[11:19] <xain> ForeverSmurf: I am really not sure.
[11:19] <xain> But yes i am an Intel 945GMA user.
[11:20] <xain> Well I like LTS.
[11:20] <xain> Wtf is LTS anyway?
[11:20] <bazhang> !lts
[11:20] <alexk> Интересно. :-)
[11:20] <bazhang> and please keep the channel family friendly xain
[11:20] <xain> Oh ok.
[11:20] <arne__> Hi, does anybody know, why my cdrom play everything but dvd's? I'm running kubuntu 8.04, I have browsed everywhere trying to find a solution, but no cure...
[11:20] <xain> Oh, sorry bazhang.
[11:20] <bazhang> alexk, english here
[11:20] <syockit> it's basically like an officially supported version, that lasts long time
[11:21] <bazhang> alexk, #ubuntu-ru for russian
[11:21] <xain> I might stick to 8.04 until there is a higher grade LTS version.
[11:21] <xain> Might be my best bet.
[11:21] <bazhang> no need to chase the upgrade path if you dont want to
[11:22] <xain> Yes, true.
[11:22] <zer0o> hi guys how do i find my username on a terminal?
[11:22] <xain> But is the old 8.04 Upgradeable with KDE to look like default installation 8.10?
[11:22] <bazhang> zer0o, whoami
[11:23] <syockit> xain: there's a kde4 package for hardy, but it's got more breakage than the 8.10 one
[11:23] <ActionParsnip1> xain: yeah sure if there are hardy repos
[11:23] <keks222> please help, installed OSS sound from site scripts, after reload lost all sound, don't know what to do where to search info
[11:23] <zer0o> thanks
[11:23] <ActionParsnip1> xain: http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[11:24] <zer0o> bazhang: and how do i find what after the dots? like user:?????
[11:24] <syockit> zer0o: what does that mean?
[11:24] <bazhang> zer0o, not sure what you mean
[11:24] <ActionParsnip1> xain: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/tag/ubuntu-hardy-install-kde-42/
[11:24] <syockit> zer0o: are you trying to mean group?
[11:25] <bazhang> zer0o, whoami should return simply zer0o
[11:25] <zer0o> im trying to give me permission to open an external harddrive ive no permissions to
[11:25] <bazhang> zer0o, ntfs?
[11:25] <ActionParsnip1> zer0o: you need better mount options so users can access it
[11:25] <syockit> zer0o: for group name, id -gn
[11:25] <zer0o> so im giving a chown user:user /dev/removable/name
[11:25] <xain> What do you mean by breakage?
[11:26] <zer0o> ActionParnsip: could u help me mounting an external hd?
[11:26] <bazhang> xain, unusable
[11:26] <syockit> xain: lots of stuff not working the way they're expected to
[11:26] <xain> : /
[11:26] <ActionParsnip1> zer0o: http://www.hafenscher.net/wiki/index.php?page=Mount_USB_stick_read_and_writable_for_users
[11:26] <zer0o> cool
[11:26] <zer0o> thanks
[11:26] <xain> I just want the desktop and the taskbar effect's.
[11:26] <syockit> xain: people on 8.04 usually stick to KDE 3.5.9
[11:26] <ActionParsnip1> zer0o: good ol www.ask.com eh ;)
[11:26] <xain> The transparency.
[11:27] <xain> Is there transarency in KDE 3.5?
[11:27] <zer0o> ActionParnsip: im able to do it on kubuntu but this friend's of mine pc runs XANDROS which is a debian based anyway but im going nuts!
[11:27] <zer0o> i'll give it ANOTHER try, uff
[11:29] <ActionParsnip1> zer0o: mount is mount on any linux system
[11:29] <ActionParsnip1> zer0o: its no different on gentoo, xandros, redhat, puppy, or dsl to name a few
[11:30] <syockit> xain: you might want to bookmark this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6360716 it has a howto for installing kde4.1 (the one you use in 8.10)
[11:30] <ActionParsnip1> zer0o: make sure you have ntfs3g installed if you need write access
[11:30] <ActionParsnip1> syockit: nice
[11:31] <syockit> xain: you can try that after installing 8.04.2 later
[11:32] <xain> All sorts of hell broke lose because there is a bug with the intel driver and the 945GMA and this card and installing kde4 brought it out. There was a workaround for me. On my laptop, I never had an issue because it uses a different graphics card
[11:32] <xain> AH HA!
[11:32] <xain> Right on the page you linked me, haha.
[11:33] <xain> So it's KDE4 and my VGA chip.
[11:33] <xain> So downgrading to the 3.4 version should be good for me.
[11:38] <jefferai> anyone around that can help me a bit with a PPA?
[11:38] <jefferai> as in, managing mine?
[11:39] <syockit> jefferai, #launchpad?
[11:41] <jefferai> ah, ok
[11:41] <jefferai> thanks
[11:45] <dimitris> hello,how do i get out of console login?
[11:51] <dimitrisg> hello,how do i get out of console login?
[11:52] <SlimeyPete> dimitrisg: press alt-f7
[11:52] <dimitrisg> it doesnt work
[11:53] <dimitrisg> i ve logged to console from the menu u get before logging in to kde
[11:54] <CornholioTR> hi
[11:54] <CornholioTR> is there any way i can restore grub w/o downloading an ubuntu live cd_
[11:55] <ActionParsnip1> CornholioTR: if you have a bootable linux system then youo dont need the cd
[11:55] <CornholioTR> i have kubuntu 8.10 cd
[11:55] <CornholioTR> so that works, then
[11:55] <CornholioTR> ?
[11:55] <ActionParsnip1> if you have any linux cd it will be fine
[11:55] <ActionParsnip1> !grub
[11:58] <CornholioTR> ok ActionParsnip1
[11:58] <CornholioTR> thanks
[11:58] <ActionParsnip1> np
[12:07] <Machtin> howdy guys.
[12:08] <pascal> hey leute :) kennt jmd ein programm womit ich mein desktop mit sound aufnehmen kann ?
[12:08] <Machtin> I was just wondering, if Creative X-Fis are supported by now? couldn't really find something via google.
[12:09] <Machtin> pascal: fällt mir spontan nichts ein, aber kannst deinen desktop aufnehmen, ne tonspur aufnehmen und das dann zusammenfügen..
[12:09] <Machtin> aber als direktes tool wär natürlich besser.. dauert sonst ewig
[12:10] <pascal> hö bin ich hier auf den deutschen channel o.o
[12:11] <ActionParsnip1> !de | pascal
[12:11] <pascal> sry , aber ich hatte /join ubuntu-de eingegeben ... dan dachte ich , ich wäre bereits auf den deutschen :)
[12:12] <etfb> Wow - blast from the past.  Remember how in the old days there used to be all sorts of problems with sound not working after hibernate?  Well the bad old days are back for me.  There's a lot of rubbish on the interwebs; anyone know of an actual solution to this problem?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: hibernate is a huge pain to get nice
[12:13] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: tried restarting hal/alsa/pulse after wakeup
[12:13] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: How do I do that?
[12:13] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: sudo /etc/init.d/<something> restart
[12:13] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: /sbin/alsa force-reload doesn't work.  Kaffeine refused to run after I did that, which was weird.
[12:13] <etfb> Will try that...
[12:14] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: you may need to rmmod / modprobe your sound driver module
[12:15] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: How do I find the appropriate module name?
[12:16] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: lsmod will list all loaded modules
[12:16] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: lshw will show the hardware and maybe the driver
[12:17] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: try lshw -C audio
[12:17] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: it might be sound or multimedia, not sure
[12:18] <ActionParsnip1> yeah its sound
[12:18] <ActionParsnip1> look for the module name on the last line and sudo rmmod <that thing>; sudo modprobe <that thing>
[12:19] <etfb> Odd, I seem to have two: a 32bit Radeon HD 3600 Series, and a 64 bit Intel 82801I HDA
[12:19] <etfb> Oh, and modprobe: does nothing
[12:20] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: it wont say anything
[12:20] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: but stuff happened under the hood
[12:22] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: heres mine: http://pastebin.com/d2161c0f2
[12:22] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: so i would use: sudo rmmod snd_hda_intel; sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[12:24] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: if that doesnt work, read dmesg | tail
[12:25] <etfb> Odd; says snd_hda_intel is in use.
[12:26] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: you may need to stop the sound system first
[12:26] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: this is why hibernate is SOOOOO not worth it
[12:27] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: Unfortunately, suspend doesn't work at all, so hibernate is all I've got.
[12:27] <etfb> How do I stop the sound system?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: which do you use?
[12:27] <etfb> Nothing relevant in dmesg, btw, other than this: [   43.298663] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC268, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
[12:27] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: What do you mean?
[12:28] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: alsa/pulse/oss  whats your poison?
[12:28] <lokai> I removed the sound controller thing from my system bar. How do I put it back? KDE 3.5
[12:30] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: Oh.  ALSA, I'm fairly sure.
[12:30] <etfb> No sign of Pulse in anything I can see, anyhow.
[12:30] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: the look in /etc/init.d for something alsa shaped
[12:31] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: I did.  Restarted alsa-utils, and no luck there either.
[12:31] <etfb> Only solution seems to be restarting, which is a pain in the arse.
[12:31] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: you may have to STOP it then rmmod the module
[12:33] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: short of that i am unsure, if its a laptop, maybe theres a guide on how to get it working for your make / model
[12:36] <bob_> yo
[12:38] <etfb> Hey wow!  Something worked!
[12:39] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: whats shaking?
[12:39] <etfb> I think it was the sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop followed by rmmod'ing and modprobe'ing snd-hda-intel.  I shall write a script to do that, and test it next time I hibernate.
[12:39] <etfb> Thanks, ActionParsnip1!
[12:40] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: cool
[12:41] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: you should put whatever you did in a script so you can easily do the same thing next time you wake the thing up
[12:43] <etfb> Hey, is there a command-line interface for the volume control?
[12:43] <etfb> Something to set volume to 100% or mute or whatever?
[12:45] <ct529> hi everybody
[12:46] <ct529> I have kubuntu 810 64bit installed on a SATA disk .... is it better to set the disk up as ATA or as AHCI in the BIOS (performance - wise)? It is presently ATA ....
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: there is let me check
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: amixer
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: i think if you pass it params it will set stuff too
[12:47] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: man amixer
[12:48] <Machtin> yo guys.. what soundcard would i want, if i wanted a creative x-fi but fully supported by alsa?
[12:50] <etfb> Cool - so amixer set Master 100% unmute and amixer set Master 0% mute will do what I want in a script.  Excellent!
[12:50] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: indeed
[12:50] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: you may want to add that to your wakeup script too ;)
[12:51] <downhill_> so um, anybody else running 8.10/PPA packages getting those file conflicts?
[12:51] <downhill_> kwin/kdebase-workspace-bin
[12:51] <ActionParsnip1> downhill_: yeah i did
[12:51] <downhill_> do you know how to fix it?
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> downhill_: sudo dpkg --force-all -i /path/to/debthatwontinstall ;)
[12:52] <downhill_> O_o no.
[12:53] <downhill_> I was hoping you knew of a secret package somewhere someone made to fix it or something :p
[12:53] <ActionParsnip1> downhill_: nope, just tell it to overwrite the file with the identical one in the package and you'll be fine
[12:53] <downhill_> hey ActionParsnip1, are you the one who helped me out with my ALSA problem?
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> i have no idea
[12:54] <downhill_> it was like 4-5 days ago now
[12:54] <downhill_> I think
[12:54] <downhill_> I came in here 'cuz my sound stopped working after a reboot. then another reboot fixed it...
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> downhill_: ive drank and slept since then
[12:54] <downhill_> =D
[12:55] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: Thanks for you help, anyhow.  It's midnight here, so I'm off.  I'll fiddle with wakeup scripts some other day.
[12:55] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: its a good laugh if you fancy a challenge, personally i just shutdown
[12:55] <quassel2> test
[12:56] <etfb> Oh, and don't forget, everyone: time=1234567890 is coming soon!
[12:56] <etfb> perl -e 'print scalar localtime(1234567890),"\n";'
[12:58] <ct529> !sata
[12:58] <ct529> etfb:?
[13:02] <voicu> Hi, I've upgraded to KDE 4.2 and some things like kwin and the multiple desktop manager don't work anymore
[13:02] <voicu> I can't use any program now since I don't have focus on the text fields
[13:03] <voicu> I checked in aptitude and no dependencies are broken
[13:03] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: its hugely geeky, the nuber of seconds since 1st jan 1970 is nearly at 1234567890
[13:03] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: reinstall the kwin package, ive seen this a lot
[13:03] <voicu> there is a kwin package?
[13:04] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: sure, you didnt expect one?
[13:04] <voicu> No, I thought it would be part of some larger package
[13:04] <voicu> that's all
[13:04] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kde-window-manager
[13:04] <voicu> yeah, done
[13:05] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: its a program like any other, thats why you can run compiz --replace to kill it and run compiz instead
[13:05] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kwin
[13:05] <voicu> yeah, it works now
[13:05] <voicu> thanks
[13:05] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: cool
[13:05] <voicu> Well, I thought it would be part of kde-base or something
[13:05] <voicu> anyway
[13:05] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: :)
[13:06] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: kdebase gives you the desktop environment, K-DE
[13:06] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: you can run any WM you like with it
[13:06] <voicu> aha, so only the desktop part, ok
[13:07] <ActionParsnip1> bingo
[13:08] <voicu> so, how long till 1234567890? :D
[13:09] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: unfortunately for somereason the kwin conflicts with something or a dep isnt met and it gets left behind
[13:09] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: its 18:31:30 on 13th Feb 2009
[13:09] <voicu> actionparsnip1: yeah, at first it didn't want to upgrade because aptitude couldn't fix the dependencies
[13:09] <voicu> GMT?
[13:10] <Gecko> Hey, might be a trivial question, but I've upgraded to 4.2, and now alt-f1 doesn't open the launcher. Any ideas?
[13:10] <voicu> gecko, isn't it alt+F2?
[13:10] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: not sure on that one
[13:10] <Gecko> voicu: nope, that's "run"
[13:11] <ActionParsnip1> Gecko: right click desktop -> run program
[13:11] <Gecko> I mean the open the start menu equivalence
[13:11] <voicu> gecko: well alt+f1 doesn't do anything for me either :P
[13:11] <Gecko> right. It used to do, and it's configured as such in the systems settings
[13:12] <voicu> actionparsnip1: wait, the timezone doesn't matter, does it? :D
[13:13] <Gecko> hmm, found a bug report that tells me to delete .kde... Luckily I installed today, so no biggie
[13:13] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: not looked into it duder, have a websearch
[13:13] <voicu> well, it's a measure for the clock after all so each place should have different times for it
[13:15] <ActionParsnip1> voicu: im not sure how the clocks are set, if they are all gmt or not
[13:16] <voicu> well whatever it is set, if it shows 13 feb 2009, 18:31:30 you have the time 1234567890 seconds
[13:16] <voicu> so 3h 15min for my timezone
[13:16] <voicu> which is gmt+2
[13:21] <sorset> hi, how can i compile kdebluetooth 4?
[13:21] <El_Presidente> hi
[13:22] <voicu> does anyone know a rough ratio of kubuntu/ubuntu users?
[13:22] <El_Presidente> i installed the alpha of kubuntu, will i automatically get the stable packages when 9.04 is out?
[13:22] <El_Presidente> or do i have to install it again?
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> voicu,  what if i have both installed? :)
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> El_Presidente,  tahts how  the system works.. yes...
[13:23] <El_Presidente> ty
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> updates -> newest packages -> same as install clean. (In theory)
[13:23] <voicu> Dr_willis: are you talking about having both gnome and kde or actually dual booting? :P
[13:23] <El_Presidente> i did it that way because kde 4.2 crashed my 8.10 system
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> voicu,  why bother with dual booting  :) just install both  desktops and puck the one ya want o usze from gdm/kdm
[13:24] <jussi01> El_Presidente: 9.04 discussion is in #ubuntu+1 ;)
[13:24] <voicu> well ok, but i'm interested in the average user preferences
[13:24] <El_Presidente> hehe ok jussi01
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> and 'if i upgrade.. will that get me to the latest' is like a top 10 FAQ item
[13:25] <voicu> BTW, why doesn't KDE keep the gnome network applet in the session?
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> kde has its own network-applet i belive
[13:25] <voicu> yeah, but it doesn't work, at least not for me
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> it works here.
[13:25] <voicu> with wifi?
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> i had some goof up where both were running
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> as far as i can rember.. bioth gnome and kde both worked with the wirless on my laptops
[13:26] <voicu> huh
[13:26] <voicu> what KDE version?
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> 4.2
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> Not that i use kde much.
[13:26] <voicu> ok, just upgraded, lemme try
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> but i do seem to recall it working
[13:31] <voicu> another problem since I upgraded: kmixer doesn't show a slider when I click on it
[13:31] <voicu> the window with many sliders does work though
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> try a differnt mixer perhaps?
[13:40] <voicu> well i could but i like kmixer :P
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> I set my voume to 75% or so.. and just leave it...  I got a knob on my speakers.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> it goes to 11
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> :P
[13:41] <voicu> :))
[13:42] <voicu> mine is not really using a monotone scale :P
[13:42] <voicu> 10%->20%->15%->30%
[13:42] <voicu> dunno why
[13:44] <Gecko> Hmm, another problem. I seem to be lacking kcm_style and kcm_color after the upgrade from 4.1 to 4.2 in 8.10... What can I do?
[13:46] <voicu> gecko: where do you come across those?
[13:46] <voicu> so i can check mine too
[13:46] <Gecko> System Settings->Appearance
[13:47] <voicu> gecko: dunno, mine work but you should try to reinstall the appropiate package
[13:48] <voicu> kde-admin or something?
[13:48] <Gecko> hmm
[13:49] <quassel65> Hi, how can I add a plasmoid to the desktop that if clicked, displays the kickoff menu (like the left button on the panel)? I tried application launcher, but it always displays the menu.
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> dont ya drag/drop them onto the desktop?  I think ive seen some that you can add them to the panel or the desktop
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> drag to one.. they look one way.. drag to other.. they look a different way
[13:51] <quassel65> I can't drag the kickoff launcher to the desktop.
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> perhaps it cant be used on the desttop then. Im not in kde to try it out
[13:52] <quassel65> ok, other question
[13:52] <syockit> quassel65: do you have the desktop unlocked?
[13:52] <quassel65> syockit: yes
[13:53] <quassel65> but, isn't the option called "lock/unlcok *widgets*, not *desktop*? If no, then its maybe locked.
[13:54] <syockit> quassel65: yes, widgets. sorry
[13:54] <syockit> quassel65: and this is kde4.0 or 4.1?
[13:54] <quassel65> neither: kde 4.2 ( jaunty)
[13:55] <syockit> oh wait, neither 4.0 nor 4.1 allows dragging of panel items to desktop :(
[13:56] <syockit> quassel65: I tried, and it works. don't like the way it looks though
[13:56] <quassel65> what?
[13:56] <syockit> quassel65: enable panel editing mode.
[13:56] <syockit> quassel65: that is, click on panel's cashew. during this mode you can move panel widgets
[13:57] <quassel65> oh, but it pulls the whole menu out. Not only the launcher.
[13:57] <syockit> quassel65: ah, I see, you also didn't like that
[13:57] <quassel65> yeah.
[13:59] <quassel65> ok, I also have two other questions, maybe they're easier :)
[13:59] <syockit> quassel65: ah, but lancelot stays as icon
[14:00] <syockit> quassel65: if you don't mind lancelot, you can check that out
[14:00] <quassel65> syockit: can that also be configured for kickoff
[14:01] <syockit> quassel65: lancelot is a different menu system. although you can use the kickoff icon, lancelot will still be lancelot
[14:01] <syockit> quassel65: and maybe kickoff was written to not become an icon on desktop
[14:02] <quassel65> well, ok. Now, my other question
[14:02] <quassel65> is there a kind of "custom launcher" plasmoid? So, an costum icon that runs a custom command when clicked?
[14:06] <syockit> quassel65: strange, I can't find one? when trying kde4.0 back then, I remember creating custom shortcuts....
[14:07] <quassel65> and something else: When I add bBalL plasmoid, it doesn't appear anywhere...
[14:08] <mazac> hi guys, i'm trying to upgrade 7.10's kde 4.1 to 4.2 .. i've been following official upgrade quide (on fresh install of 7.10) but can't figure out which packages are 'plasmoid packages' which are supposed to be uninstalled before upgrade ? thoughts ?
[14:09] <syockit> quassel65: I never had that working
[14:10] <syockit> mazac: even 8.04 was troublesome. and you're doing it on 7.10?
[14:10] <mazac> syockit; oh sorry, 8.10
[14:10] <mazac> the latest from kubuntu site
[14:11] <syockit> mazac: find any packages that has either plasmoid or plasma applet in the name
[14:12] <syockit> mazac: don't forget kdeplasma-addons
[14:13] <syockit> mazac: do a ' aptitude search ~iplasma ' and look at the descriptions
[14:13] <mazac> syockit; i managed to upgrade it so far but im not sure if it is 'clean way' .. i've run upgrade right after installation , went ok appart from some packages which apt-get told me they have been kept back .. i removed these (kdm off from console) and then installed again, removing some packages which havent met dependencies
[14:13] <mazac> syockit; cool i'll have a look
[14:13] <quassel65> Isn't the "Leave me a note" applet supposed to also appear when the screen is locked?
[14:13] <mazac> syockit; jsut got fresh intrepid install on vmware so i'm gonna give it a try
[14:13] <quassel65> sorry, I meant widget, not applet (I'm too used to gnome...)
[14:15] <syockit> mazac: when upgrading, apt-get dist-upgrade can solve cyclic dependencies. but since that has passed, doesn't matter now. just to let you know..
[14:15] <mazac> anayway, is intrepid with kde 4.2 reliable ? stable ? can one use it for day to day work ?
[14:16] <EagleScreen> mazac yes
[14:17] <mazac> EagleScreen; because after fresh installation and first kde run, some application crashed :)) the one that require mysql.. can't remember
[14:17] <yunus> MErhabalar .
[14:17] <yunus> Kubuntu ekran çözunurlulugunu aklında tutamıyor .
[14:18] <Pici> !tr | yunus
[14:18] <yunus> 1024*768 yapıyorum restar yaptıgımda eskı halıne geliyor .
[14:18] <yunus> ubottu:  sağoL .
[14:19] <quassel65> I have a question about the  default kickoff menu: I heard that kde 4 used "soft spots" - screen edges that are easy to click. But: when the menu is open, and I selected an application group in Applications, I can't click the "back" button on the left if I move my mouse all the way to the left. I saw this feature sometime in a KDE visual guide, why isn't it working in jaunty kde 4.2?
[14:19] <EagleScreen> mazac you have KDE 4.1.3 in inprepid updates, it will crash less than 4.1.2, or you can install 4.2.0 (I recomend it)
[14:20] <genii-around> Pici: Nice catch. Was just trying to whois the ip for country code :)
[14:20] <mazac> EagleScreen; i added launchpad repisotory so it should be 4.2
[14:20] <mazac> *repository
[14:21] <EagleScreen> well done mazac
[14:21] <syockit> quassel65: I'm amazed by the number of defects you found on this run. I've only realized that kickoff now floats a bit to the center, instead of being glued to screen edge
[14:23] <quassel65> syockit: I'm sorry, I also noticed loads of positive great stuff in kde (which I think is amazing, I only used kde 3 quite a while ago), I think I'm going to swith to kde full-time when jaunty comes out. Its just: I only ask about the stuff that doesn't seem to work,
[14:25] <syockit> quassel65: nothing to apologize about :) it's just that I've only realized how user experience can greatly vary depending on how they want to use the desktop
[14:25] <syockit> quassel65: especially, I'm on tabletpc, so I'll never discover that soft-edge thing
[14:26] <quassel65> tabletpc: cool!
[14:26] <syockit> quassel65: and I mostly alt-f2 or use yakuake to launch apps. but I figured that most users would want an icon to launch custom command
[14:27] <syockit> the ball is something I gave up trying since 4.0, and I never imagined having a K icon on desktop to launch things
[14:27] <syockit> if that was possible, maybe people can remove panel completely
[14:28] <quassel65> I just figured out about the launchers: You can right click on the app in kickoff and select "Add to Desktop" and then, minimize all the windows to find where it apperas.
[14:28] <syockit> quassel65: but if you edit that...
[14:28] <syockit> hmm, i need to confirm
[14:28] <quassel65> Or you can drag and drop an app from the kickoff menu to the desktop. Great, launchers are possible!
[14:29] <syockit> my hypothesis is that if you edit the created launcher, the entry in the menu would also be changed
[14:29] <syockit> but I'm gonna have to prove that first
[14:29] <Meizirkki> KDE 4.2 on Nokia n810: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/MerOnN810#5300841488593994434
[14:29] <Meizirkki> it runs "ok", but is there any tricks to make it faster?
[14:30] <tackat> Meizirkki: does it use Qt 4.5?
[14:30] <Meizirkki> no idea, it's jaunty btw
[14:30] <tackat> Meizirkki: then it most likely doesn't
[14:31] <Meizirkki> ok
[14:31] <tackat> Meizirkki: usage of Qt 4.5 is likely to improve the speed
[14:31] <Meizirkki> okay, why Qt 4.5 isn't used in Jaunty
[14:31] <Meizirkki> ?
[14:32] <vbgunz> anybody ever use "suspend to ram" in intrepid? does it work flawlessly (reliably) for you? Did you get a chance to test it in Jaunty? does it work at all?
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> They're still deciding whether or not Qt 4.5 should be inlcuded in Jaunty
[14:32] <Meizirkki> ok
[14:33] <syockit> quassel65: hmm great! it seems the launcher is duplicated, and doesn't share properties with the one in the menu
[14:33] <quassel65> ok, thanks, so I can use that then.
[14:33] <vbgunz> Qt 4.5 I head was better tested I believe by Aaron Siego and was faster out the box? also, its even faster if you turn painting to raster or something? (beyond me atm)
[14:34] <syockit> quassel65: the only drawback is (for me) extra things appearing in kickoff's search (but for custom commands, this is a good thing)
[14:35] <drostie> hi, guys. Is there a way to uninstall KDE 4.2 after you install it and it ruins just about everything?
[14:35] <quassel65> I just noticed: I tried Help->KMailHandbook in KMail to get some Help, but it just said "documentation not found". Do I have to install a extra package via pt?
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> quassel65: kdepim-doc
[14:35] <quassel65> thanks!!
[14:35] <Meizirkki> drostie: remove kdelibs5 ?
[14:36] <syockit> vbgunz: but no stable release yet, right?
[14:36] <vbgunz> syockit: no stable for what?
[14:36] <vbgunz> Qt 4.5?
[14:37] <syockit> yes
[14:37] <drostie> Meizirkki: won't that kill kde as a whole?
[14:37] <quassel65> syockit: will this thing with "Kickoff back button not at the screen edge" thingy be fixed?
[14:37] <syockit> vbgunz: http://linux-wizard.net/blog-testing_kde_42_with_qt_45-256.html
[14:37] <quassel65> sometime?
[14:37] <vbgunz> I am not sure what is happening about it. I do hope it ships in jaunty. I heard it is supposed to be better and magnitudes faster than 4.4.*
[14:37] <EagleScreen> Qt 4.5 is not stable
[14:38] <EagleScreen> Plasma may often crash with Qt 4.5
[14:38] <syockit> quassel65: not sure, it might have to be reported. but I'm not keen on going to bugs.kde.org ....
[14:38] <Meizirkki> drostie: it's the best way i know to uninstall kde
[14:38] <vbgunz> Aaron said its more stable and referred to that post I believe
[14:38] <drostie> I should be more specific, then. I want to reinstall kde 4.1 over kde 4.2.
[14:39] <drostie> Is there some other .deb I should retrieve beforehand so that I can reinstall kde 4.1?
[14:39] <vbgunz> sorry, it was Thiago, I get the two mixed up
[14:39] <vbgunz> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/10/why-kde-42-should-use-qt-45/
[14:39] <Meizirkki> drostie: why??
[14:39] <claudio__> hie all
[14:39] <EagleScreen> drostie use synaptic or aptitude package managers and downgrade packages to its 4.1 version
[14:40] <quassel65> syockit: this bug is already reported, right? Add widgets
[14:40] <drostie> EagleScreen: Can't. KDE 4.2 broke KNetworkManager, and now I don't have an internet connection.
[14:40] <maziah> ola, im just installed kubuntu 8.10.  knetwork manager wont let me use static ip when i tell it to.
[14:40] <quassel65> I meant: Add widgets
[14:40] <quassel65> Add widgets
[14:40] <quassel65> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183970
[14:40] <maziah> is there a fix for this ?
[14:40] <claudio__> can anyone tell me why my shortcuts doesn't work (in linux ubuntu 8.04 ) when i try to make ctrl+c to cpy doesn't work????
[14:40] <maziah> i got rid of openSuSE 11.1 thinking kubuntu 8.10 was better
[14:40] <EagleScreen> drostie my knetworkmanager works well in 4.2 i dont see reason for breakage
[14:41] <Meizirkki> drostie: KDE 4.2 shouldn't ruin things.. for me it runs a lot better than 4.1
[14:41] <a|wen> is there anyone here, which uses intrepid with kde 4.1.4 from the -proposed archive?
[14:41] <drostie> Well, KDE 4.2, for me, *did* ruin things. Useful things, like internet access and keyboard input.
[14:42] <maziah> drostie: i found lots of settings are missing ? lots of admin tools and such
[14:42] <vbgunz> KDE 4.2 is turning out to be the DE I can recommend again
[14:42] <maziah> before i could go into admin settings and configure everything... but i cant see anything in system settings now for configuring my network adaptors.
[14:42] <vbgunz> 4.1 made me so sad, I wouldn't recommend it. 4.2 is so cool, I cannot wait for 4.3 heh
[14:42] <Meizirkki> vbgunz: same here
[14:43] <drostie> I mean, maybe there was some serious screwup in upgrading, and I'd love to try to re-upgrade, but first I have to de-upgrade. Without an internet connection. Or a keyboard.
[14:43] <Meizirkki> hmm
[14:43] <drostie> Hence, uninstalling KDE 4.2 in favor of KDE 4.1, with only pre-downloaded .deb packages.
[14:44] <drostie> (I should point out that I *do* still have keyboard access through a TTY console, so it's not as bad as it sounds.)
[14:45] <drostie> Do you guys know what packages I'd need to do that?
[14:45] <maziah> fuck this im going back to opensuse 11.0 ;>
[14:45] <maziah> 11.1 memory leaks
[14:45] <genii-around> Well, can't please everyone ALL the time, unfortunately.
[14:46] <syockit> quassel65: that report is very new o_O expect it to be fixed even later
[14:46] <quassel65> ah, to bad, they should let me do the importance rating ;)
[14:48] <EagleScreen> maziah you also could test Debian with KDE 4.2
[14:50] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:53] <drostie> blech. Is Jaunty Jackalope reasonably usable at this time? It looks like my best option is to reinstall fresh.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> drostie , still a bit unstable , but tried it for just 2 hrs or so
[14:55] <BluesKaj> drostie, the live-cd site comes with warnings of instability
[14:56] <syockit> how difficult is it to compile qt4.5 with kde4.2?
[15:00] <drostie> well, I'd still like to see KDE 4.2 functioning correctly. ^_^;;
[15:05] <BluesKaj> it seems ok on my set up with 8.10...even compiz hasn't crashed so far :)
[15:05] <mazac> hi .. trying to upgrade kde 4.1 to 4.2 on fresh intrepid installation, but after entering username and password i just getkde wallpapaer and that't it :) am i missing something ? i suppose i followed all the instructions on kubuntu site .. see http://pastebin.com/d7179b9f .. tx
[15:06] <shadeslayer> mazac did you restart X??
[15:07] <mazac> every time i upgrade it different way, i get different result but still not good supposely :))
[15:07] <mazac> shadeslayer; well i rebooted machine, so .. yes :)
[15:09] <shadeslayer> mazac i had to upgrade via a command line,dont remember the command now
[15:09] <ct529> !hdparm
[15:09] <mazac> shadeslayer; i did everything on command line with X down
[15:09] <mazac> this is such a pain .. :)))
[15:09] <shadeslayer> mazac i think it was sudo apt-get install <kde package name>
[15:10] <shadeslayer> just find the package name
[15:10] <quassel65> I'm already looking forward to kde 5
[15:11] <mazac> shadeslayer; its not the nightbuild .. i addedd launchpad repository and did upgrade afterwards .. this should be enough .. and it's corresponding with howto on kubuntu site .. weird
[15:11] <shadeslayer> haha, KDE 5,thatll be mid 2010
[15:11] <drostie> mazac: I did most of the same steps and KDE 4.2 at least starts up for me, although several things are still broken even then. So I don't think you did anything wrong.
[15:11] <shadeslayer> mazac i did the exact same thing
[15:12] <shadeslayer> but it did not upgrade,so i had to do command line
[15:12] <mazac> uhm ..
[15:12] <shadeslayer> !KDE
[15:12] <mazac> i thought this thingy is supposed to be stable release.. but its not really integrated well with kubuntu so far :)
[15:13] <shadeslayer> !kde4
[15:13] <shadeslayer> mazac try asking in #kde
[15:13] <mazac> drostie; yeah .. i managed to get it working different way but straight after start akonadi(?) server died
[15:13] <shadeslayer> maybe they can give you the command line
[15:13] <mazac> hmm okie
[15:14] <drostie> heh.
[15:15] <drostie> The news page should add a warning saying, "By the way, if you install KDE 4.2, everything may or may not be ruined. Just saying."
[15:15] <mazac> yeah :D
[15:15] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:15] <mazac> i think i'll stick with 4.1 on intrepid till 4.2 is really ok
[15:16] <shadeslayer> mazac seriously??
[15:16] <shadeslayer> 4.1 is junk
[15:16] <mazac> well it is ..
[15:16] <drostie> functional junk, though. mazac and I both have KDE 4.2 installs that are totally useless. ^_^
[15:17] <shadeslayer> 4.2 is much much much much much better
[15:17] <drostie> I agree. It is apparently much slicker, when it works.
[15:17] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:17] <mazac> that;s the thing
[15:17] <mazac> to get it working properly
[15:18] <mazac> i've seen the difference is huge on kde site ..
[15:19] <mazac> they could really do a nice step by step working howto for upgrading :) I'm sure a lot of ppl would appreciate it
[15:20] <mazac> i also tried jaunty, upgrade went well .. but after it keyboard stopped working :D nice init ?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> mazac i was contemplating on a jaunty upgrade,any advice??
[15:21] <sena> hi guys are there here good bash scripters I have a few questions
[15:22] <mazac> shadeslayer; well i just installed it, ran upgrade, everything went well appart from the keyboard didn't work
[15:23] <mazac> sena; i know a bit :)
[15:23] <sena> hi mazac i just wrote this script http://paste.ubuntu.com/117676/
[15:23] <ct529> anyone using a netbook with solid state, like the eeepc?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[15:24] <kaddi> hello :)
[15:24] <sena> it isa bit automation for monitoring my kubuntu
[15:24] <shadeslayer> !hi| kaddi
[15:24] <ct529> I wanted to know if you could change the SSD like you would change a normal disk
[15:25] <sena> i tried to do it with inputting the root password only once with prompt
[15:25] <sena> i can show you if you want
[15:26] <genii-around> ct529: To the os they should just seem like regular discs.
[15:26] <sena> but then when i pass like echo "password" | sudo -S "programm" it writes it to the new session in plaintext
[15:26] <mazac> sena; ok
[15:26] <sena> so do you have any idea
[15:26] <mazac> hm
[15:27] <sena> now will just prompt everywhere for password and i just paste it everywhere but it is at least secure that way
[15:28] <ct529> genii-around: but would you be able to change them, as you do with normal disks
[15:28] <mazac> sena; you can write it to temp file and the cat it and send to pipe .. but storing it in file is not too secure as well :)
[15:29] <mazac> hmm
[15:29] <genii-around> ct529: Unless they're soldered into the motherboard I don't see why not
[15:29] <sena> mazac: well if that works I can delete the file at the end or?
[15:30] <mazac> sena; yeah sure. it should work
[15:30] <mazac> sena; just use echo `cat temp.pwd` | sudo -S
[15:30] <mazac> ...
[15:31] <sena> ok thanks mazac
[15:31] <sena> ;)
[15:31] <mazac> sena; np ;)
[15:32] <shadeslayer> mazac that problem solved??
[15:33] <shadeslayer> oh and one more thing,hows quassle??
[15:33] <mazac> shadeslayer; just installing fresh intrepid (again), gonna make snapshot and try different methods
[15:33] <mazac> still no luck
[15:34] <shadeslayer> mazac hows quassle for IRC'ing??
[15:34] <mazac> shadeslayer; q what ?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> mazac in the release notes,it mentions quassle as the new IRC client,they dropped konversation
[15:35] <mazac> shadeslayer; i dont know i use irssi
[15:35] <mazac> :)
[15:35] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:35] <mazac> i preffer command line to be honest
[15:36] <syockit> tried quassel, but it crunches on my pc
[15:36] <shadeslayer> everybody has prefrences
[15:36] <syockit> some random things its doing in the background
[15:36] <mazac> hm
[15:36] <shadeslayer> another reason not to upgrade
[15:37] <syockit> so irssi all the way
[15:37] <mazac> you can run nice terminal in kde and irssi on it :))
[15:37] <syockit> i yakuake
[15:38] <shadeslayer> mazac so we can use the IRC through a terminal,how??
[15:39] <mazac> shadeslayer; just run irssi command in terminal .. that's it. you should better read some introduction to irssi if you dont know it
[15:40] <shadeslayer> mazac i use konversation for all my IRC needs,mIRC in windows
[15:40] <mazac> shadeslayer; irssi is command line, very different to mIRC
[15:40] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:40] <shadeslayer> ill check irssi out
[15:41] <shadeslayer> in about 3 hours
[15:43] <mazac> shadeslayer; they've got nice howto on their homepage, also some screenshots
[15:43] <shadeslayer> well im downloading a torrent right now,dont wanna disturb that
[15:44] <syockit> the howto is a must
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:44] <mazac> shadeslayer; why you should have to disturb the download ? hmmm
[15:45] <shadeslayer> mazac 128 kbps connection :(
[15:45] <shadeslayer> small b not 'B"
[15:46] <mazac> shadeslayer; well that sucks yeah .. i'm on 2mbit and not happy too :-/
[15:46] <mazac> uhm
[15:46] <mazac> shadeslayer; what is it isdn ?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> DSL
[15:46] <mazac> kind of slow dsl
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ultra slow DSL,its a unlimited connection thats why
[15:47] <mazac> just reading kubuntu forum and seems like everyone has problems upgrading kde :)
[15:47] <shadeslayer> here you pay either for speed or time,not both
[15:47] <mazac> hm
[15:47] <mazac> shadeslayer; where ru from ?
[15:48] <webaska> how to login as root in kde 4.1?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> India
[15:48] <mazac> shadeslayer; oh i c
[15:48] <shadeslayer> webaska its locked
[15:48] <shadeslayer> !root
[15:49] <webaska> i mean in kde 3.5 u just press alt+f2 in konqueror and u do what you want...
[15:49] <webaska> how to do same stuff in kde 4.1 ?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> webaska maybe the recovery console can help you
[15:50] <shadeslayer> it has a terminal and which logs in as root,AFAIK
[15:50] <webaska> why recovery console? why do i need that.. :|
[15:50] <shadeslayer> webaska dont know any other method
[15:50] <shadeslayer> webaska why do you need it anyway
[15:51] <webaska> i need it because i need it. and i really hate to use terminal to do all this stuff ( copy paste, create folders)
[15:51] <syockit> shadeslayer: to easily edit root files from konqueror
[15:52] <syockit> webaska: start konqueror as root
[15:52] <syockit> i mean, as super-user
[15:52] <webaska> syockit if im on 3.5 kde i need no help.. but in 4.1 i cant find how
[15:53] <shadeslayer> http://vatpind.net/pics/rulesofthegame.jpg
[15:53] <linux> linux rockt
[15:54] <syockit> webaska: start konsole
[15:54] <syockit> webaska: btw the default file manager is dolphin. so let's use dolphin instead
[15:54] <webaska> can i login in it as in kde 3.5 ? :\
[15:56] <lum_sais> what s alt+f2 for in konqueror ?  to launch commands ?
[15:56] <webaska> yes + with other options at least in older kde...
[15:56] <syockit> webaska: no alt-f2 in newer konqueror
[15:57] <syockit> webaska: click on K icon on the panel, start konsole
[15:57] <syockit> webaska: run: sudo dolphin
[15:57] <xp-killer> how to find out what type of dvd writer i have on my pc?
[15:58] <xp-killer> SH-D162C, TS-H352C, SH-D163A ou TS-H353A ?
[15:58] <syockit> xp-killer: if it's connected, maybe you can lspci | grep DVD
[15:58] <shadeslayer> xp-killer theres a hardware info plasmoid
[15:59] <lum_sais> it s funny, I didnt know about alt+f2  (btw I am currently using debian with kde 3.5 in this laptop)
[16:00] <xp-killer> syockit: lspci | grep DVD give me no feedbaack
[16:00] <lum_sais> webaska: why do you miss that feature (sorry maybe it s my fault but I can t see your problem)
[16:04] <syockit> xp-killer: how about dmesg? do dmesg | less
[16:04] <syockit> xp-killer: and search for each of those that you mentioned. (search is activated by /)
[16:05] <syockit> xp-killer: (and search next is n, search prev is shift-n)
[16:06] <syockit> webaska: I hope you're okay with dolphin there
[16:06] <webaska> ye im okay.. a bit busy
[16:07] <webaska> its easy to get angry then something is not okay :)
[16:07] <chuckh1958> how to I get kopete to start automatically when I log on?
[16:08] <syockit> chuckh1958: I think kopete has it as an option somewhere. if not, you can use System Settings>Advanced>Autostart
[16:11] <voicu> aren't there hotkeys for applications like in kde 3?
[16:11] <voicu> the tool in system settings doesn
[16:11] <voicu> *doesn't show any options for that
[16:14] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys anyone able to get sound in x64 kubuntu in firefox with x64 adob e flash plugin>
[16:14] <syockit> voicu: see keyboard&mouse>global shortcuts
[16:15] <syockit> voicu: or did you mean setting custom keys to launch certain apps?
[16:17] <voicu> yeah, like ctrl+alt+w for kate
[16:17] <voicu> or whatever
[16:17] <voicu> kde3 had that tool that assigned for each kde menu entry a global shortcut
[16:18] <voicu> really useful
[16:19] <webaska> what is another annoying feat in new kde is that you cant unrar like in old kde
[16:20] <webaska> or at least i havent fixed everything :>
[16:21] <dutler> if you doint have to have desktop effects, you can use openbox with kde to get powerfull keybinding
[16:22] <voicu> what's openbox?
[16:23] <dutler> a windows manager that works well with kde
[16:23] <dutler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox
[16:23] <voicu> oh, a hm, i'll try buti like kwin
[16:23] <voicu> not for the effects
[16:23] <voicu> i can do without them
[16:24] <dutler> i use to use openbox when i had a smaller system.... i like kwin too, just miss the keybinding and the service menues as well
[16:25] <voicu> do i just kill kwin and start openbox?
[16:26] <dutler> you can start the xsession with openbox/kde ... or you can use a window managers switcher and go back and forth in the same session .... could but compiz on your list of options as well
[16:26] <guraltsev> hey guys, I am having some graphics problems with my kubuntu 8.10 toshiba satellite notebook with intel 945GM. Is there any giude on internet ore something relevant to installing more up to date video drivers and stuff. I cannot seem to find anything. In general what do I need to do to install the latest drivers under linux?
[16:27] <voicu> dutler: well for now i'll just bring it up a little for testing
[16:28] <dutler> read this guys blog... its the best reffernce i have found: http://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/
[16:30] <dutler> guraltsev: i what driver are you useing? i810 or intel?
[16:30] <guraltsev> how do I find out?
[16:30] <guraltsev> I just installed linux about a week ago
[16:31] <dutler> i believe the intel drivers are open, so dont need to do anyting specail for hardware acceeration like some of us ati and nvidea guys.
[16:31] <dutler> can you get to the system settings app?
[16:32] <dutler> 8.10 has kde 4.1 ... its kind of a test realease, rather than a production. you may have a better (less buggy, more complete, more stable) experiance wuing 8.04 with kde 3.5
[16:33] <dutler> i didnt upgrade until kde 4.2 was out ... kde 4.1 is not complete... only a .1 of the 4 tech base
[16:33] <guraltsev> well actually I have already kde 4.2
[16:34] <guraltsev> sorry, didn't read
[16:34] <guraltsev> I also waited for kde 4.2
[16:34] <syockit> hmm, my experience was different. kde 4.0 broke, but 4.1 worked nice. and 4.2 gets a little better
[16:35] <dutler> ahhh good. ... so your new, but youv still managed the "un supported upgrade"
[16:35] <guraltsev> dutler: If I understand correctly  what you mean by system settings, I have started it. Now where should I go? I have tried digging around but no success so far.
[16:36] <dutler> anyway... id doest apear that the display "control panel" lets u set the drive like with kde 3. you will need to use cli
[16:36] <dutler> have you ever messed with nano?
[16:37] <guraltsev> dutler: well, I had some very limited linux experience with linuxes in my dad's university. But that was always with rather old pc's and that was 4-5 years ago... So I never encountered problems with video devices etc.
[16:37] <syockit> 8.10 will load "intel" driver by default with 945GM
[16:38] <dutler> syockit: does "intel" support opengl or does he need to load a differnt driver?
[16:38] <syockit> yes it does, and xorg handles everything automatically
[16:38] <guraltsev> I can explain the problem
[16:39] <chakie> i have a lenovo t60 laptop and i can't get wlan/bluetooth enabled. they are [de]activated through fn-f5 and i at some point disabled them to save power (both were working fine)
[16:40] <chakie> now i can't enable them anymore
[16:40] <chakie> is that something that the OS controls or the hw?
[16:40] <JohnFlux> chakie: reboot?
[16:40] <syockit> chakie: you must reenable them manually
[16:40] <chakie> JohnFlux: i'm not that much of a noob :)
[16:40] <chakie> well, i can't enable them
[16:40] <steven_> hellow
[16:40] <syockit> chakie: there's a commandline for that, i forgot
[16:41] <chakie> how much i keep pressing fn-f5 it never does anything
[16:41] <syockit> chakie: it involves using ifconfig <interface name> up
[16:41] <syockit> chakie: no, it doesn't work that way
[16:41] <chakie> oh
[16:41] <syockit> chakie: your fn-f5 disables it at hardware level (I assume)
[16:41] <chakie> so you can disable that way but not enable?
[16:41] <guraltsev> Normally everything works fine, but I tried running a video intensive program: a game made for linux and it gave me lots of trash.. I tried looking around and it said that it was actually a problem with the intel drivers, and it actually said that it could be fixed by updating to more up to date and maybe experimental drivers. But I do not know how to approach this problem and it didn't say anything about how to do it
[16:42] <chakie> syockit: looking in the bios they are both enabled, and fn-f5 has no effect even before linux "takes over"
[16:42] <syockit> chakie: and when it's disabled at hardware level, the software detects that your wifi is gone, so it reacts accordingly
[16:42] <syockit> chakie: but it doesn't react to the wifi being activated again
[16:43] <chakie> syockit: sounds like what i have
[16:43] <dutler> guraltsev xserver-xorg-video-intel  is the new driver... and by defult you should have it.  onpen konsole and type >nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:43] <chakie> syockit: something like this? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Bluetooth_with_Enhanced_Data_Rate_(BDC-2)
[16:43] <dutler> in the device section, look for the driver and make sure it says "intel"
[16:44] <adeus> is anyone else using kubuntu-experimental and amd64, package libpcrecpp0 seems to be broken
[16:44] <adeus> says size mismatch
[16:44] <dutler> aptitude says size mismatch?
[16:44] <syockit> dutler: i think he doesn't have xorg.conf
[16:44] <adeus> yes
[16:44] <steven_> somebody know's where i find redwine the exe  program??
[16:44] <adeus> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_amd64.deb  Size mismatch
[16:45] <guraltsev> I actually have xorg.conf
[16:45] <guraltsev> wait a sec
[16:45] <guraltsev> looking
[16:45] <dutler> syockit :??? i do.. why wouldnt he?
[16:45] <syockit> dutler: umm, because he's on 8.10?
[16:46] <steven_> anyway i found it thx anyway
[16:46] <dutler> right... i forgot... use "lspci | grep VGA" instead
[16:46] <afeijo> can I install kubuntu 8.10 in a apple macbook air?
[16:46] <dutler> im on 8.10 but have customized it.
[16:46] <steven_> why you do that ,
[16:46] <steven_> ?
[16:47] <guraltsev> but it is rather useless: it only has 3 sections called device, monitor, and screen, with respective identifiers: saying "configured monitor" etc. Wait now I will do lspci
[16:47] <syockit> chakie: i still don't comprehend the situation here.... so is your bluetooth/wifi totally unusable now, or does it reset on reboot?
[16:49] <syockit> afeijo: yes. you. can!! or did you mean that as "will the hardware be fully supported?"
[16:49] <whut> Why fonts in Firefox are so small?
[16:49] <dutler> guralsev: thats what syockit was leading up too... sorry i forgot abot those changes with 8.10 . type "lspci | grep VGA" instead
[16:50] <afeijo> syockit: lol, yeah, thats implicit. I will have 0 problems or there is some incompatibilities?
[16:50] <guraltsev> ok I have 2 entries relevant to our case in lspci output: one begins with Display controller (and does not contain the string VGA) and the other one is:    00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller(rev 03)
[16:51] <dutler> guralsev: that will eve you the excate video adapter you have... then do lsmod | grep intel so see ifyour using the right one
[16:51] <syockit> afeijo: I haven't see anyone doing review of using kubuntu 8.10 on macbook air. so no guarantee there
[16:53] <dutler> i have to run out, but to get newer drivers than the ones in the repo, you will have to find a reopw with a newer one, or build from source....
[16:53] <dutler> apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel   will tell you what version you currently have
[16:53] <dutler> good luck, adios
[16:55] <afeijo> syockit: I see, I dont plan to buy anytime soon, so I will wait.  With the ubuntu 8.04 its the same thing? no reviews yet?
[16:57] <_gunni_> jefferai: Can you explain the difference between the Qt4.5 with raster and without? Which one should be better (If i will have crashes i want them to be fast at least :) )
[16:57] <chakie> syockit: it was totally unusable
[16:58] <chakie> syockit: but i found the cause, there's a small switch on the side of the laptop that disables the wifi/bt entirely
[16:58] <syockit> afeijo: ah there is actually a wiki page for mba https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir1-1/Intrepid?action=show&redirect=Macbook_Air
[16:58] <chakie> syockit: it was turned off. now it works
[16:59] <syockit> chakie: no need to restart?
[16:59] <chakie> syockit: i had it powered down when i noticed it, so i don't know
[16:59] <chakie> syockit: i blame my wife who was looking for a way to open it the other day, must've tried that switch :)
[16:59] <chakie> open the laptop, that is
[17:00] <syockit> ohoo :D
[17:00] <chakie> syockit: thanks for the help. pebkac as usual :D
[17:03] <snikker> there is a way to type a "ALT+0160" chars (or any other combinations) in linux?
[17:04] <guraltsev> syockit: sorry it is still me, Ok  I found out the version of my xorg-video-intel driver using apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel: it is 2:2.4.1-1ubuntu10.3
[17:04] <afeijo> syockit: nice!! bookmarked, thanks
[17:04] <syockit> guraltsev: oh that looks kind of old
[17:04] <afeijo> syockit: a mba here in brazil is very expensive, about U$ 4000
[17:05] <guraltsev> but what should I do now to get the newer versions?
[17:05] <whut> Please, help, interface fonts in Firefox in Kubuntu 8.10 are too smaaalll
[17:05] <shadeslayer> whut did you try the forums
[17:06] <syockit> guraltsev: hmmm that's the latest you can get on intrepid anyway
[17:06] <whut> Yes, I did. People there usually have problems with Web-page fonts and most of the hits in Google are about that issue.
[17:06] <shadeslayer> they had a theme there,which made FF3 fonts really good
[17:06] <xp-killer> in konqueror there this google space where to type stuff in it how do i stop it from bring up history or thing i never type its very anoying to type my things without it bringin up all types of stuff
[17:06] <syockit> whut: check gtk apps settings in System Settings>Appearance
[17:06] <afeijo> another question, how can I monitor my home pc CPU temp thru ssh?
[17:07] <blahjake> afeijo: sensors
[17:07] <guraltsev> whut: how small? What I did was this: installed gtk-qt-engine, msttcorefonts (this one contains windows fonts), and gtk2-engines-qtcurve, then I looked up the font settings of firefox in windows and set them in linux accordingly
[17:07] <andrer> which one is better, kubuntu-experimental (for using kde 4.2) or project neon (kde-nightly)?  nightly has been working almost fine, but msn support is trash
[17:08] <xp-killer> in konqueror there this google space where to type stuff in it how do i stop it from bring up history or thing i never type its very anoying to type my things without it bringin up all types of stuff
[17:08] <whut> guraltsev: Thanks!
[17:09] <guraltsev> whut: If you do not want to restart I can tell ou my font settings or you can play with them
[17:09] <afeijo> blahjake: thanks! I ran sensors-detect, it updated my /etc/modules
[17:09] <afeijo> do I need to reboot?
[17:09] <syockit> guraltsev: try enabling this repository https://launchpad.net/~intel-gfx-testing/+archive/ppa
[17:09] <whut> guraltsev: I do it on my second machine, so please tell me what settings do you have. =)
[17:10] <syockit> guraltsev: well I suppose you don't know how to, wait I'll get a howto
[17:10] <guraltsev> syockit: I do know
[17:10] <guraltsev> no problem
[17:10] <blahjake> afeijo: no, just sudo modprobe the listed drivers
[17:10] <guraltsev> wait a sec
[17:10] <syockit> guraltsev: good. try that repo
[17:10] <syockit> only 2 packages to install
[17:11] <afeijo> blahjake: wow, nice!! :)
[17:13] <brendan__> woot
[17:13] <afeijo> my CPU temp is core 0: 50, core 1: 51.  Nice, I was worried as its summer here, pretty hot weather
[17:13] <syockit> xp-killer: I don't know how to disable, but that thing is called "search suggestions" fyi
[17:13] <afeijo> board temp: 44 ºC
[17:14] <brendan__> Head temp 100ºC
[17:14] <imps> 100 C for your cpu temp?!
[17:14] <afeijo> lol
[17:15] <afeijo> you can cook there
[17:15] <brendan__> lol, cooking eggs on my head
[17:15] <imps> I get unstable over 68 c..
[17:15] <brendan__> my gfx card 68 and comp is 46
[17:15] <brendan__> cool
[17:15] <xp-killer> syockit: but anoying when i forgot to add something im adding it and its going back to the end: ex:  house (i forgot to put my) i going put my it does house my :s
[17:15] <xp-killer> its ver haracing
[17:22] <whut> I cannot upgrade to KDE 4.2 as per press release.
[17:22] <whut> apt-get somehow preserves old packages.
[17:22] <whut> The following packages have been kept back:
[17:23] <whut> And lists all the KDE4 packages.
[17:25] <oobe> i found a small thing on a thing and then i lost it
[17:25] <Pici> okay?
[17:26] <guraltsev> whut: in Firefox preferences in the content section I have the following font settings: fonts and colors: default font: times new roman size:16
[17:26] <guraltsev> in the advanced section
[17:26] <whut> Thanks!
[17:27] <guraltsev> whut: fonts for: western: proportional: Serif size 16,   and Monospace: Courier New size 13
[17:30] <JuJuBee> I need to get a new laptop.   I need to be able to use dual head config and have decent graphics/processor .  Can someone make suggestion?  There is sooooo much out there, hard to pick.
[17:30] <anthrax> !list
[17:30] <draik> I added a new hard drive, but it does not appear to show up in /media
[17:30] <draik> It is a new 1TB hdd.
[17:30] <anthrax> Malika Ayane
[17:31] <draik> Can Kubuntu Intrepid Ibex read the 1TB HDD?
[17:31] <JuJuBee> What graphics adapter should I get? I assume nVidia?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee youre discussing hardware here??
[17:32] <JuJuBee> Does't everyone here us kubuntu?
[17:32] <guraltsev> syockit: Hey, ok I enabled it
[17:32] <JuJuBee> or at least most...
[17:32] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:32] <shadeslayer> am i missing something??
[17:32] <JuJuBee> Why not ask those that use it what they use?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> well i use a XPS with kubuntu
[17:33] <Pici> Because hardware is offtopic for here. Try #kubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-offtopic or ##hardware.
[17:33] <syockit> guraltsev: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libdrm xserver-xorg-video-intel
[17:33] <draik> If anyone has an answer to my 1TB HDD, you can PM me, I have to step away for about 10-15 minutes.
[17:33] <JuJuBee> Pici : is ##hardware kubuntu/ubuntu specific?
[17:33] <Pici> JuJuBee: nope.
[17:33] <shadeslayer> its general hardware
[17:34] <shadeslayer> but no problems in asking there,Hardware is not OS specific
[17:34] <JuJuBee> I am just sick to death of my ATI problems I need to change.
[17:34] <JuJuBee> Thought here would be a good place.  Sry.
[17:35] <genii-around> Well, some hardware is OS specific, like winmodems. But generaly not.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee , I finally gave up on ATI and installed nvidia 7600GT that I bought from a friend...it works well
[17:36] <lum_sais> are ATI drivers so hard to install/configure ?
[17:36]  * genii-around mails BluesKaj the missing cable
[17:37] <BluesKaj> genii-around, no rush :)
[17:37] <genii-around> :)
[17:37] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: looking for laptop  Heard some of the new(er) nVidia's had problems?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> oh , din't know that
[17:38] <guraltsev> syockit: Ok, I managed to install some things. Now I will restart and see what comes ofit
[17:39] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee , I bought a new laptop for travelling , with nvidia onboard . Works fine with kubuntu live-cd  . I don't dare dump vista due to wifey's addiction to windows.
[17:39] <syockit> guraltsev: good luck!
[17:39] <lum_sais> JuJuBee :  I am debian and kubuntu user, currently on a vaio laptop with nvidia GT... and I ve always been able to install nvidia drivers (plus kubuntu makes it really easy)
[17:39] <altrortla> hello to everybody
[17:40] <White_Pelican> greetings human hehe
[17:42] <genii-around> JuJuBee: Whatever video card you get, make sure to steer away from UniChromes
[17:46] <draik> Can Ibex see a 1TB hard drive? I have it connected via sata on an expansion card. Doesn't see it.
[17:47] <genii-around> draik: Yup.
[17:48] <guraltsev> syockit: Well, thanks! It started working much better. Still some minor problems but now I will try doing some research into this. Thanks a lot
[17:48] <genii-around> draik: Sounds more like a driver/module issue for whatever the expansion card uses
[17:48] <White_Pelican> draik, we have an external 1 TB on hardy and it works fine
[17:48] <draik> genii-around: How can I check it?
[17:49] <draik> White_Pelican: Mine is internal, if it matters.
[17:49] <genii-around> draik: If you do: lspci -nn                 and then note the line containing the description of the sata expansion card, will be easier to google for what driver it uses, etc. The 0000:0000   part is vendor:device   which can be extremely useful.
[17:50] <draik> The previous HDD (currently in use) has XP and Ibex, partitioned. I used Norton Ghost to copy the Ibex to the new 1TB. 500GB partitioned HDD will be all XP and 1TB to Kubuntu (end result).
[17:52] <draik> I don't really have anything listed for the card, just what is already onboard the MoBo.
[17:52] <draik> 00:0b.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller [1106:3249] (rev 50)
[17:52] <draik> 00:0f.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller [1106:3149] (rev 80)
[17:52] <draik> !pastebin
[17:53] <genii-around> draik: Is it a pci card?
[17:53] <draik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/117752/
[17:54] <draik> Yes, it is a PCI card
[17:54] <White_Pelican> does anyone know if there is an audio program that has all the features and then some of audacity?
[17:55] <genii-around> draik: Hmm. Nothing too enlightening there. Could be it can't find an interrupt or something similar. Can you pastebin dmesg ?
[17:59] <whut> What's OpenOffice repository's address for Kubuntu?
[18:00] <draik_> genii-around: Desktop just froze on me.
[18:00] <draik_> I have nothing after I posted my pastebin
[18:01] <genii-around> draik_: Weird. Maybe that unseen addon controller is causing some grief
[18:01] <draik_> genii-around: There is a message during the boot about using RAID
[18:01] <draik_> I don't want RAID
[18:02] <draik_> I'm going to work on GRUB right now, see if I can't set it differently
[18:03] <genii-around> draik_: You may need the ahci driver, this happened to me on a board with ICH10 chipset
[18:03] <genii-around> Work requires me, AFK 3-5 minutes
[18:03] <draik_> Thanks
[18:04] <_gunni_> whut: Do you mean OOo2 or Ooo3 ?
[18:04] <whut> OOo3
[18:05] <_gunni_> Whut: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[18:05] <whut> Thanks.
[18:07] <draik_> Please do not use DPROM to use RAID in Linux
[18:07] <blackflag> !ntp server
[18:07] <blackflag> !ntp
[18:08] <whut> _gunni_: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu/dists/interpid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[18:16] <Xeina> salu
[18:18] <draik> genii-around: I have done the dmesg (pulled the log and saw your request.
[18:18] <draik> Here you go, genii-around:   http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m44a6cddd
[18:18] <Xeina>  /nick Xeina233
[18:18] <Xeina>  /nick Sacha
[18:20] <genii-around> draik: Back. Reading your paste ... about the DPROM error I have no idea
[18:24] <BluesKaj> interesting , I get the same message : "Phoenix BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working it around."
[18:27]  * kenami is away: Ausente por ahora.
[18:27] <genii-around> draik: 378. [    4.130689] ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 310)                  seems to indicate some error possibly related to this.
[18:28] <draik> genii-around: What would be the cause?
[18:30] <saifin> hye
[18:30] <genii-around> draik: Still looking at dmesg
[18:30] <saifin> im new hear
[18:30] <saifin> here*
[18:30] <draik> !welcome | saifin
[18:30] <saifin> how to start learning KDE command line
[18:32] <draik> saifin: This is a good start... http://www.google.com/search?hl=xx-hacker&q=common+linux+commands&btnG=Google+s3a|2ch
[18:33] <draik> Disregard, link got cut off at the end.
[18:33] <draik> Let me cut it
[18:33] <saifin> ahaks
[18:33] <draik> Here you go
[18:33] <draik> http://tinyurl.com/awa6a8
[18:33] <saifin> thans draik
[18:33] <draik> No problem.
[18:34] <draik> genii-around: Sorry to cut this short, but I have to go to the DMV, plates are due by tomorrow (sadistic irony, if you ask me).
[18:34] <genii-around> draik: As far as I can tell, your adapter card is not being seen on a hardware level.
[18:35] <draik> It's weird. I guess I'll have to look into alternatives or a new SATA card :(
[18:35] <draik> I just bought the card yesterday, too.
[18:35] <draik> Oh well.
[18:35] <draik> I'll be back and troubleshoot some more. At least now I know more about the issue.
[18:36] <whut> Having updated to KDE 4.2 I cannot input in KDE applications and don't see any window "frames" or controls within them. How can I fix this?
[18:39] <evanderv> Hi guys have a problem just can't figure out.  My printer applet loads up as a menu bar at the top of my screen and I can't get it to go to the system tray
[18:39] <evanderv> any ideas
[18:45] <blackflag> !nis
[18:54] <jeison> j
[18:54] <jeison> hola
[19:05] <altrortla> oh buddy my lan make crazy
[19:09] <jeison_> hii
[19:09] <jeison_> holaa
[19:10] <altrortla> ok i have a LAN in whitch a XP pro PC have the internet connection... this is given to the other PC trought a switch ... to several Kubuntu, Xp Pro, and XP Home PC .... I have also a Kubuntu Notebook that is attached to the XP Home PC by a cross Cable... This notebook sometimes is on LAN ... sometimes is OFF LAN ... I'm very annoyed Somebody can help ME??
[19:10] <altrortla> sorry for my english
[19:10] <jeison_> hey i have a new wifi moddem
[19:11] <altrortla> nope
[19:11] <jeison_> why some web pages doesnt wor in my new wifi conwection?
[19:12] <Adola> altrortla: You might want to try #windows
[19:12] <Adola> They would prolly be able to hlep more.
[19:12] <altrortla> but is a kubuntu
[19:12] <altrortla> Adola: Ok I'll try
[19:12] <jeison_> try to conect trough IP adress
[19:17] <altrortla> strange things is that i give to notebook dhpc setting... with arrow on connection manager it have 192.168.0.1 gateway 0.0.0.0 broadcast 0.0.0.0 ... but if i click on connection manager it have dhpc setted and so no interface no ip no address
[19:17] <altrortla> azz
[19:18] <altrortla> if i try to set it manually sometimes it give me connection ... but more times it won't give
[19:26] <JackWinter_> how do i see what the libpath is ?
[19:27] <JackWinter_> or maybe a better phrased question.  does kubuntu search /usr/local/lib by default ?
[19:39] <compilerwriter> Ladies and Gents I thought I had gound a way to sync my Blackberry 8310 with Kontact until I went about trying to install opensync and some packages were broken or had no install cantidates.  Has anyone successfully done this with Intrepid?
[19:42] <saifin> hello
[19:42] <saifin> sorry for the noob question
[19:42] <saifin> how to install flash player for konqueror
[19:42] <saifin> i have installed it before
[19:43] <saifin> but when open youtube no sound and the movie is not loaded
[19:48] <MonsieurY> hello i want to intall kde 4.2 to my ubuntu 8.04 any repositories for me ? thanks
[19:49] <syockit> MonsieurY: sorry no working repos anymore
[19:49] <MonsieurY> ?
[19:49] <MonsieurY> serious ?
[19:49] <syockit> MonsieurY: they seem to have deleted every last of them
[19:50] <MonsieurY> why any idea?
[19:50] <MonsieurY> its astonishing :O
[19:50] <syockit> MonsieurY: I've checked project neon, and it's not there. it used to be there for hardy
[19:50] <syockit> now it's only intrepid
[19:50] <syockit> and of course, the kubuntu-experimental is also intrepid-only
[19:50] <MonsieurY> very ungry, I want to test it...
[19:51] <syockit> but you can install 4.1, iirc
[19:51] <MonsieurY> yeah I have kde 4.1
[19:51] <MonsieurY> but 4.2 is improved
[19:51] <MonsieurY> :)
[19:52] <syockit> because kde4.2 depends on many new things, which aren't available on hardy
[19:52] <MonsieurY> ok thanks a lot for your response, try to install 8.10 or other os white kde 4.2
[19:53] <MonsieurY> bye
[19:57] <inzi> helooo everyone
[19:58] <mossgix> hello
[19:58] <inzi> i have a question.. isit better to install the nvidia driver from the official website or the restricted driver
[19:59] <giarca> inzi: when you talk about official website you mean nvidia.com or so?
[20:00] <mossgix> i've encountered some problems when i've installed drivers from nvidia.com
[20:01] <Pici> inzi: The restricted driver is the driver from nvidia.com, but it may not be the latest version.
[20:01] <mossgix> specially when upgraded the kernel
[20:01] <mossgix> instead with drivers from kubuntu it's simply perfect
[20:01] <giarca> I had no problem with the driver in kubuntu's repositories. Works like a charm.
[20:02] <giarca> exactly the same for me mossgix
[20:02] <dougl> how do I make applications start on specific desktops from the command line? ie xchat on desktop 2 I would do what at bash promt on desktop 1?
[20:03] <mossgix> i think restricted drivers are radicated in the installed kernel
[20:03] <mossgix> if you get an upgrade they crash
[20:04] <inzi> yah i mean nvidia.com
[20:04] <giarca> inzi: both me and mossgix had no problem with kubuntu's choice
[20:05] <inzi> hmmm
[20:05] <giarca> i have nvidia-180 now and zero issue since now ;)
[20:05] <mossgix> inzi: kubuntu version?
[20:05] <inzi> i have some video glitches
[20:05] <inzi> thats why i was wondering.
[20:05] <inzi> kubuntu 4.1
[20:05] <inzi> 8.10
[20:05] <mossgix> hum ok
[20:06] <inzi> giarca.. nvidia-180 from official website
[20:06] <inzi> ?
[20:06] <mossgix> i'm on jaunty, using nvidia 180 from repos
[20:06] <inzi> ic
[20:06] <giarca> inzi: no, from repo
[20:06] <inzi> ahh.. from the repo..
[20:06] <inzi> hmmm
[20:06] <giarca> i'm on intrepid - geforce 6150 - nvidia-180 from repo and no problem
[20:07] <inzi> hha i guess i could just give it a shot and then. see if things get messed up
[20:07] <giarca> i guess too
[20:07] <inzi> do anyone of u. have small video glitches..for eg: when u click on "K" the menu come up.but just befor that there is a small black distorted piece
[20:08] <mossgix> humm
[20:08] <inzi> and sumtimes.. kubuntu doesn't shutdown for me..
[20:08] <inzi> sometimes..
[20:09] <mossgix> i'm not... i've some graphics problems but they are probably because i'm on jaunty
[20:09] <inzi> any idea why mossgix
[20:09] <inzi> ic
[20:09] <saifin> hello
[20:09] <giarca> inzi: you are using the best resolution of your monitor?
[20:09] <inzi> yup
[20:09] <giarca> *are you
[20:10] <evanderv> Hi guys have a problem just can't figure out.  My printer applet loads up as a menu bar at the top of my screen and I can't get it to go to the system tray
[20:10] <inzi> 1440*900
[20:10] <giarca> sorry for my bad english :P
[20:10] <saifin> why no sound on youtube?
[20:10] <slow-motion> hi
[20:10] <inzi> hi
[20:11] <giarca> inzi: but you have now some nvidia driver loaded?
[20:12] <giarca> because the glitch just before the raise of menu could be a cpu spike to compile the graphic... ?
[20:12] <inzi> oh
[20:12] <inzi> isit
[20:12] <inzi> hmmm
[20:12] <inzi> i have the nvidia driver loaded now..
[20:12] <inzi> hmm
[20:12] <inzi> cpu spike eh
[20:12] <giarca> it's loaded by the modules?
[20:12] <giarca> lsmod
[20:13] <inzi> ya
[20:13] <inzi> oh.. does the knetworkmanager work for u with manually assigned Ip?
[20:13] <giarca> after the installation do you reboot?
[20:14] <inzi> it didn't work for me.. i had to remove it and then edit the network/interfaces
[20:14] <giarca> mmm I guess so if you have the modules loaded...
[20:14] <inzi> well it is working fine for me at the moment..
[20:14] <inzi> occasionaly a small. distortion..
[20:14] <giarca> inzi: don't know... my 2cents is to try the latest from repo
[20:16] <inzi> ic..
[20:16] <inzi> hm ok.
[20:16] <inzi> thanks
[20:16] <giarca> :)
[20:16] <inzi> well i did some updates and then the glitches reduced..
[20:16] <inzi> thanks again for ur help
[20:16] <giarca> inzi: no problem! :)
[20:16] <inzi> are you using kde 4.2 giarca?
[20:16] <giarca> yes
[20:17] <giarca> from launchpad experimental repository
[20:17] <failers> anyone got a tutorial on how to install kdevelop 4 alpha 1 on kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2 ?
[20:18] <inzi> i'm sorry failers.. i am new to linux myself.. i don't know how to do it
[20:18] <inzi> giarca..how is 4.2 so far..
[20:19] <giarca> I don't know if it's real but it seems fast
[20:19] <giarca> more than 4.1.4
[20:19] <astromme> failers: You should use Beta1
[20:19] <inzi> ic
[20:19] <astromme> I'm a big fan of 4.2
[20:19] <inzi> oh..
[20:19] <inzi> 4.2 is that good eh
[20:19] <astromme> And I've been with the 4 series since before 4.0 was released
[20:19] <giarca> and it's good about stability
[20:19] <torero> !ru
[20:19] <giarca> no crash
[20:20] <giarca> two-three application crash total
[20:20] <giarca> inzi: yes, it's good.
[20:20] <giarca> :)
[20:20] <inzi> ahhh
[20:20] <failers> astromme: thats the one i meant sorru
[20:20] <failers> *sorry :P
[20:20] <inzi> i shall wait a bit longer for a stable release.. then intsall it.
[20:20] <astromme> failers: one moment
[20:20] <inzi> *install it
[20:20] <inzi> haha..
[20:21] <inzi> i switched to linux a few months ago.. was using ubuntu for sometime.. then stepped on to kubuntu.. haha. love the eye Candy
[20:21] <inzi> haha
[20:21] <giarca> me too
[20:21] <astromme> Check out this page: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[20:21] <astromme> whoops, failers, the above was for you
[20:21] <giarca> I agree to wait little longer
[20:22] <inzi> yup..
[20:22] <astromme> failers: Add the repository as it shows, apt-get update, install kdevelop-kde4 then remove the repository
[20:22] <inzi> the kubuntu developers sure put alot of work in to wat they are doing
[20:22] <whut> !fglrx
[20:23] <inzi> oh btw.. giarca.. do u know why Amarok keeps trying to unmount my drives evertime i quit it
[20:23] <failers> astromme: oki thx
[20:23] <whut> How do I install fglrx driver?
[20:23] <whut> This page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI has nothing to say about 8.10
[20:24] <astromme> failers: If you need help actually using it, ask me again, I've used it for the past 4 months and have some experience
[20:24] <Pici> whut: from KDE, use jockey-kde
[20:24] <inzi> whut... go applications > system > package manager
[20:24] <inzi> search for it there..
[20:24] <giarca> inzi: sorry i dont' understand... who quit the driver? you? and amarok try to unmount but it's just unmounted?
[20:25] <whut> Pici: Yes?
[20:25] <whut> Pici: I'm in.
[20:25] <inzi> giarca, amarok trys to unmount the driver.. it asks for confirmation to unmount it
[20:25] <Pici> whut: That should list whatever restricted drivers are available for your system. Such as fglrx
[20:26] <giarca> inzi: could be an option set in amarok preferences?
[20:26] <whut> And it would install it automatically?
[20:26] <inzi> i looked for it. but nothing there
[20:26] <inzi> hmmm.. i'll have to investigate it a bit..
[20:27] <giarca> inzi: I think so because I don't know :P
[20:28] <inzi> thanks giarca..
[20:28] <inzi> much appreciated for ur help
[20:28] <inzi> take care
[20:28] <Pici> whut: Yes.
[20:28] <inzi> c u around..
[20:28] <giarca> please to help you :)
[20:29] <compilerwriter> anyone having any luck getting a Blackberry Curve to sync with Ibex?
[20:44] <whut> Pici: It cannot download the driver, stuck at 0 %
[20:45] <ScorpKing> i want to make a usplash theme with animations in it but i can't think of something that will look nice. any ideas?
[20:46] <whut> Pici: Ow, sorry, it just has a weird % calculation.
[20:47] <oobe> ScorpKing, isnt that a matter of taste
[20:47] <ScorpKing> oobe: indeed but i'm bored and feel like making a usplash theme. would you like one? ;)
[20:48] <oobe> yeah let me think of somthing
[20:49] <oobe> ScorpKing, what about dwight shrute from the office
[20:49] <i3ooi3oo> I have a LPR printer on the network How can I add it
[20:50] <ScorpKing> oobe: hehe..
[20:51] <oobe> you like that idea
[20:52] <ScorpKing> lets go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:53] <ScorpKing> oobe: you going to ot?
[21:03] <HydraIRC> hello, would need some help, upgraded to kde 4.2 and now after the login screen the keyboard no longer works, it works in the console ctlr+alt+f1 but not otherwise
[21:09] <sourcemaker> is there a DJ software for linux? So that I can create my own live mix from different mp3 files... editing ... etc...?
[21:09] <whut> Google Earth won't start - it begins initializing and then nothing happens.
[21:10] <genii-around> sourcemaker: dbmix, djplay
[21:12] <sourcemaker> genii-around: Damm small... install in progress.... :-) THX
[21:12] <powergoal> I want to reinstall knetworkmanager but im afraid that if i uninstall with adept and then try to install iw ont have an internet connection.  does adept have a "reinstall" option?
[21:13] <genii-around> sourcemaker: np. You may also find other stuff if you search the packages with apt-cache search
[21:14] <sourcemaker> genii-around: it's the linux most problem... there are to many apps doing more or less the same... instead of one powerful app :-)
[21:16] <phyrrus> http://phyrrus.net
[21:16] <xain> Could someone tell me how to get taskbar transparency in KDE 3?
[21:16] <phyrrus> somebody tell me how to use bash
[21:17] <powergoal> phyrrus: hah.  what do you want to do with it?
[21:17] <phyrrus> um... like the same as batch, what extention do u save it as?
[21:17] <powergoal> phyrrus: sh
[21:17] <phyrrus> ?
[21:17] <phyrrus> .sh
[21:17] <phyrrus> thats it?
[21:17] <powergoal> yeah... file.sh
[21:18] <phyrrus> oh, thanks now can i have the ipconfig command?
[21:18] <powergoal> phyrrus: ipconfig?  like, how do you assign an ip? or is that a program?  I don't have it if it is
[21:19] <phyrrus> lol, in windows you type ipconfig and it tells you your current IP address and DNS
[21:20] <powergoal> phyrrus: ifconfig :)
[21:20] <powergoal> is that what you wanted?
[21:20] <phyrrus> 1 min
[21:21] <phyrrus> phyrrus@ubuntu:~$ ipconfig
[21:21] <genii-around> sourcemaker: Maybe check http://www.ultramixer.com/index.php?cn=products&c2=ultramixer  they have Linux versions, and a free one to use as well.
[21:21] <phyrrus> bash: ipconfig: command not found
[21:21] <phyrrus> phyrrus@ubuntu:~$
[21:21] <phyrrus> phyrrus@ubuntu:~$
[21:21] <phyrrus> ok
[21:21] <powergoal> phyrrus: ifconfig
[21:21] <powergoal> phyrrus: not ipconfig
[21:21] <phyrrus> oh
[21:21] <sourcemaker> thx
[21:21] <genii-around> phyrrus: Please don't paste everything into this channel.
[21:22] <phyrrus> ok, thanks
[21:25] <phyrrus> http://phyrrus.net
[21:25] <phyrrus> http://phyrrus.net
[21:25] <genii-around> phyrrus: Please don't paste everything into this channel.
[21:26] <phyrrus> ?
[21:26] <phyrrus> u from the ubuntu chan?
[21:26] <genii-around> phyrrus: I'm in a lot of channels
[21:26] <phyrrus> oh, click it
[21:26] <genii-around> phyrrus: This channel is for support of kubuntu.
[21:27] <http> quit
[21:27]  * genii-around sips
[21:29] <sofit> hey
[21:31] <sofit> im having trouble with KNetworkManager under Kubuntu 8.10, it always seems to mark my interface as 'disconnected', even though I've configured it with a static IP address
[21:32] <sofit> (not to say I'm currently using my interface.... as you can see)
[21:34] <sofit> any ideas ?
[21:36] <Lowvolta> canal
[22:03] <sourcemaker> how can I remove a broken package from apt? I tried to install koffice... but now i receive the error message: missing dependencies...
[22:03] <sourcemaker> apt-get remove does not work... it always tries to install the fuc.... package... damm
[22:04] <maco> where do i find out what gesture is set for slow keys in kubuntu in jaunty?
[22:04] <bindaas> apt-get purge package_name
[22:06] <bindaas> after purging you can do apt-get autoremove
[22:06] <sourcemaker> bindaas: solved...
[22:07] <bindaas> sourcemaker: good good
[22:12] <wildbat> ha ~ nice name bindass ~ but where it bind to? XD
[22:12] <hubar> err why should the stalking of one nautilus window, forbid me to operate(or even open a new)nautilus window...
[22:14] <maco> hubar: stalking?
[22:15] <hubar> maco, I meant stalling.
[22:18] <maco> where do i find out what gesture is set for slow keys in kubuntu in jaunty?
[22:23] <steven_> hey guys...have a weird question...just upgraded to 8.10 and for some reason every now and again, the computer logs out of its session says something about chanding the power settings then logs back in with all programs closed
[22:23] <steven_> oh and the question is....any1 have an idea?
[22:27] <bindaas> steven_: looks like power manager setting needs to be configured
[22:28] <steven_> ooh..ok how do i do that?
[22:28] <a> hi
[22:28] <steven_> ive used ubuntu gnome for ages..dont really know wats going on in this new kde setup yet
[22:29] <steven_> well i know wats going on...just dont know where anything is
[22:30] <maco> steven_: in system settings, go to advanced
[22:30] <maco> steven_: its in there
[22:30] <steven_> thanks maco
[22:31] <a> hi
[22:32] <steven_> maco..not much there...under solid settings there is something bout power management..but cant change anything
[22:33] <a> hi
[22:33] <a> how i change my nick name please?
[22:33] <maco> steven_: cant change anything
[22:33] <maco>  /nick newnick
[22:33] <a> hi
[22:33] <maco> a ^
[22:33] <Obituary> ok
[22:34] <Obituary> thanks
[22:34] <Obituary> i am quite new in kubuntu
[22:34] <Obituary> and my games doesnt seem to work
[22:34] <maco> steven_: in power management you see "edit profiles"?
[22:34] <Obituary> yes i have, thanks
[22:35] <Obituary> where are you all from
[22:35] <steven_> maca: cant see that no
[22:37] <steven_> all i have under advanced/solid settings/ power manangement is HAL Power with no edit profile anywhere
[22:37] <Obituary> steve how are you
[22:40] <maco> steven_: oh. this must be one of those things that changed for jaunty
[22:40] <maco> steven_: i dont know how to do it in intrepid
[22:40] <steven_> maco: jaunty is the next release?
[22:43] <wildbat_> anyone know about autofs? i can't seem to get autosmb working
[22:45] <xain> How do i change the X modifier mapping for the left alt key?
[22:48] <maco> steven_: yes
[22:49] <steven_> maco: is it stable enough for an upgrade yet? and how do i do the updgrade?
[22:52] <xain> Can someone tell me how to change the Xmodifier for the left Alt-key to the right-Alt key?
[23:20] <wildbat> anyone one know where do i change locale setting ?
[23:26] <Fernandooo> hola
[23:26] <Fernandooo> #kubuntu-es
[23:26] <Fernandooo> oopps
[23:28]  * kenami is back.
[23:32] <xain> Is there any way i can change teh key binding from left-alt to the right-alt key?
[23:38] <fritzIsOnline> hi all
[23:38] <fritzIsOnline> my primary disc is full so i tried to give another path from another partition to use as a download folder, so the permission stuff comes up.
[23:38] <fritzIsOnline>  i don't wanna start ktorrent with sudo initial, it's not convinient nor safe, is it
[23:39] <fritzIsOnline> how can i use another folder from another partition in Ktorrent, with my user password?