[01:13] <MTecknology> beuno: ping
[03:26] <mrooney> Will upgrading my bzr in Intrepid fix this: "Selected-file commit of merges is not supported yet"
[03:26] <mrooney> or, is there a way to merge just one file
[03:31] <jml> mrooney: #bzr is probably a better place to ask that question.
[03:32] <jml> mrooney: but you can 'bzr revert --forget-merges' iirc, which will leave all the content changes from the merge, but forget the other stuff.
[03:35] <mrooney> jml: oh yeah, I meant to ask there, sorry :)
[03:36] <mrooney> but I have to merge again later, so I fear forgetting that history could be problematic
[03:37] <jml> mrooney: well, you can do an experiment easily enough
[03:37] <jml> mrooney: 'bzr branch target-branch experiment; cd experiment; bzr merge ../source-branch; ...'
[03:38] <jml> mrooney: but my experience with bzr is that conflicts are nothing to be afraid of.
[03:38] <mrooney> you haven't used translations enough :)
[03:40] <nhandler> When were the PPAs updated to show the contents of the .deb files and the .changes file in the build log?
[03:48] <ausimage> I think there might be an error in the ppa help to add keys on the terminal :/
[03:48] <ausimage> though I am still stuck with wierd errors
[05:07] <poolie> jml: that's the second time today i've seen "no address associated with hostname" when the plugin is trying to talk to the lp xmlrpc server
[05:08] <poolie> networking seems ok for me in other regards
[05:08] <poolie> i wonder if there's a problem in dns somewhere
[05:09] <spm> poolie: resolver timeout perhaps?
[07:21] <MTecknology> I didn't realize just how massive karma is given from blueprints - I gained 15k from it....
[08:19] <mtaylor> launchpad people - love the email code review thing. kudos!
[08:19] <mtaylor> now, just get me a bzr merge-request plugin (or something like it) so I can submit merge requests via command line and I'll be set!
[08:19] <spiv> I think bzr send can already do that?
[08:20] <spiv> Possibly not with the default options, though.
[08:28] <BjornT> mtaylor: what spiv said. we do something like 'bzr send --no-bundle --mail-to=merge@code.launchpad.net'. not sure whether the --no-bundle is required, perhaps it's just there to make the merge request prettier.
[09:39] <MTecknology> kiko: ping
[09:39] <kiko> MTecknology, hey
[09:39] <MTecknology> really, fast
[09:39] <MTecknology> kiko: did you see that release we made with the LoCo Drupal thing?
[09:40] <kiko> nope! where is it?
[09:40] <mtaylor> BjornT: fascinating. I'll have to try that
[09:40] <MTecknology> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1827
[09:40] <MTecknology> brb - while you check it out
[09:43] <MTecknology> kiko: what do you think?
[09:44] <kiko> wow, this is very neat!
[09:45] <kiko> let me show this off today
[09:45] <MTecknology> would you support my application for membership?
[09:45] <MTecknology> ok :)
[09:45] <kiko> I would, definitely
[09:45] <MTecknology> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[09:47] <MTecknology> kiko: so I can count on you being around in there?
[09:48] <kiko> damn, friday
[09:48] <kiko> maybe. I need to go to brasilia that day
[09:48] <MTecknology> ?
[09:48] <kiko> ?
[09:49] <MTecknology> is that going to be hard to make?
[09:49] <MTecknology> that's thursday for me :P
[09:50] <kiko> it might, I'll try, but you can ask joey too, who can probably make it if I can't
[09:51] <MTecknology> I was going to ask him too :PO
[09:51] <MTecknology> Could you toss something on my wiki in case you don't?
[09:53] <MTecknology> Well, I'm looking at less than 3hr sleep tonight
[09:53] <MTecknology> I'll talk to ya'll later
[09:53] <MTecknology> kiko: thanks for your support :)
[09:54] <MTecknology> kiko: I know you can shoot an email into the list too if you can't make it.
[09:54] <MTecknology> good night :D
[09:57] <kiko> cool
[09:57] <kiko> will do
[10:09] <zigo-----> jamesh are you online?
[10:11] <zigo-----> I was wondering if you had a .deb read for pygpgme as it's blocking to boostrap a CentOS with yum on a Lenny, ATM.
[10:11] <zigo-----> Lenny will be out next saturday, and it WONT be in ... :(
[10:24] <persia> When a package is copied from a P3A into the Ubuntu archive, is there any way to retrieve the build log?
[10:28] <bigjools> persia: yes, it should become public
[10:28] <persia> bigjools, How should I navigate to it?
[10:29] <bigjools> there's a bug that prevents display of the normal portlet but there's another way - which package?
[10:29] <persia> linux : 2.6.24-23.48
[10:31] <bigjools> okay let me check
[10:31] <jtv> Happy 1234567890 day, everyone!  http://www.1234567890day.com/
[10:33] <bigjools> jtv: http://www.coolepochcountdown.com/
[10:34] <jtv> bigjools: ah, had to allow some scripts before it started working… wonder what they use Google APIs for?
[10:34] <bigjools> who knows these days, I get so many damn cookies from google
[10:36] <jtv> bigjools: funny how you worry about these things when you get warnings, despite the fact that you've survived thus far without any protection
[10:37] <bigjools> noscript + cookie filtering makes my web pages load quicker.  Nuff said.
[10:38] <kiko> it also makes launchpad bonk :)
[10:38] <bigjools> bonk?!
[10:39] <bigjools> persia: go here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-23.48
[10:40] <bigjools> persia: click on a binary package link, then one of the arch-specific packages on the right
[10:40] <bigjools> and there's a link to the build on that page
[10:40] <persia> What's the title of the link?
[10:40] <bigjools> on the bright side, we're fixing all this, honest
[10:41] <bigjools> an example would be "amd64 build of linux 2.6.24-23.48 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE "
[10:41] <persia> I know :)  I just want it today, so am looking for the dirty hack, as my own experimentation with URL hacking didn't get me where I wanted.
[10:41] <bigjools> look here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/amd64/linux-libc-dev/2.6.24-23.48
[10:43] <persia> Got it.  Thanks.
[10:43] <bigjools> great, let me know if you need anything else
[10:44] <persia> bigjools, Not in any immediate timeframe.  That's enough that I can dig for arbitrary package and arch next time this arises until the portlet is available again.
[10:44] <bigjools> persia: if you need another, start from the /ubuntu/+source/<name>/<version> page
[10:45] <bigjools> we're also going to work on exposing these builds in the API soon
[10:45] <persia> Not from /ubuntu/release/arch/binary-package/version?
[10:45] <bigjools> or there if you want
[10:46] <persia> When it's not P3A, I usually start from /ubuntu/+source/package and click the handy link for whichever release I want.  It's just the embargoed stuff that's tricky (or even potentially embargoed).
[10:50] <bigjools> yes, there's a bug :(
[11:19] <zigo-----> jamesh: found http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/p/pygpgme/pygpgme_0.1-1.dsc, so it's ok, forget it.
[11:42] <jefferai> Hey there...can someone help me with managing my PPA?  I made a build of some packages, although since they told me to use debuild and not debuild -S -sa, it was a binary build
[11:43] <jefferai> which I then uploaded to my PPA by doing a dput on the changes file
[11:43] <jefferai> it's not showing up in my PPA, but it also seems to be sitting there wasting space
[11:43] <bigjools> jefferai: how do you know it's using space if it's not showing in your PPA?
[11:43] <jefferai> I did rebuild the package with debuild -S -sa and am in the middle of doing a dput on the _source.changes file (as opposed to the _i386.changes file)
[11:44] <jefferai> bigjools: well, it spent the time uploading all the packages, and when I ran dput on the i386.changes file again (mistakenly) it said it was already uploaded
[11:45] <bigjools> jefferai: use dpuf -f to force it, it's a local check
[11:45] <jefferai> yeah, but I don't want to upload it again
[11:45] <jefferai> I want to clear those contents from the PPA
[11:45] <bigjools> you original upload will have been rejected
[11:45] <jefferai> ah
[11:45] <jefferai> ok
[11:45] <bigjools> we don't allow binary uploads
[11:45] <jefferai> so it uploaded all of it, and then it was rejected?
[11:45] <bigjools> yes, you should have received an email
[11:46]  * jefferai checks
[11:46] <bigjools> if you didn't, then you didn't sign the upload correctly
[11:46] <jefferai> ah yep
[11:46] <jefferai> got it
[11:46] <bigjools> great
[11:46] <jefferai> sorry, new to packaging things
[11:46] <bigjools> np, we all had to start somewhere!
[11:46] <jefferai> so once the _source.changes completes, then it should enter the build process at some point
[11:47] <jefferai> once that's successfully done, the package will become available?
[11:47] <bigjools> yes, you can follow the progress on your PPA page
[11:47] <jefferai> great
[11:48] <bigjools> thanks for using PPAs!  I'd like to hear your feedback
[11:53] <jefferai> bigjools: a bit hard to get started, is all
[11:54] <jefferai> other than that, the scripts took care of pretty much everything
[11:54] <bigjools> great
[11:54] <jefferai> of course, my packages were easy since they're slight mods to some packages already built for jaunty, but for intrepid
[11:59] <oubiwann> rockstar: ping
[11:59] <oubiwann> jml: ping
[12:01] <radix> any code hosting guys around?
[12:01] <radix> having a problem pushing branches to launchpad ("can't install revision" errors)
[12:05] <spiv> radix: I'm sad to say that's more likely to be a bzr bug :(
[12:05] <radix> spiv: okie doke
[12:06] <radix> oubiwann: can you tell spiv the location of a branch with this problem?
[12:06] <Laney> I cannot figure out how to make an upstream link for a package. Can someone help?
[12:06] <Laney> What is an upstream series?
[12:08] <oubiwann> spiv: getting the link...
[12:08] <Laney> The error "<structured-string 'Invalid series given.'>" is most unhelpful
[12:08] <spiv> oubiwann: the traceback from ~/.bzr.log is more likely to be useful
[12:09] <oubiwann> https://code.launchpad.net/~oubiwann/landscape-client/328990-landscape-mocker-hides-exception
[12:09] <oubiwann> spiv: cool, I'll take a look
[12:09] <radix> launchpad (when you view the branch page) is also showing the error
[12:09] <spiv> Oh, error in the mirrorer.
[12:09] <radix> but you also get it when you just "brancH"
[12:09] <spiv> Ok, *that* might well be a codehosting bug :)
[12:09] <oubiwann> spiv: I get the same error locally, too
[12:10] <spiv> But it might also be an error in the repo.
[12:10] <radix> though maybe it's being corrupted during the upload, yeah
[12:10] <spiv> I'd guess that it'll fail a 'bzr check'.
[12:11] <spiv> It's late here, but definitely open a bug on both launchpad-bazaar and bzr with the details.  A way to reproduce locally with bzr would be great.
[12:11] <jefferai> bigjools: actually, got another question for you
[12:12] <bigjools> fire away
[12:12] <oubiwann> spiv: https://pastebin.canonical.com/13832/
[12:12] <jefferai> is there a way to control the number of make jobs that a  debuild uses when compiling something locally, without it killing the build server on launchpad?
[12:12] <bigjools> Laney: let me get someone to help you with that
[12:13] <Laney> bigjools: I think I have to register a new project, right?
[12:14] <bac> hi laney
[12:14] <Laney> howdy
[12:14] <Laney> I'm not sure that launchpad supports this bug tracker actually
[12:14] <bac> Laney: what is it you're trying to do?
[12:14] <bigjools> jefferai: I'm not sure, you could ask in #ubuntu-motu.
[12:15] <Laney> bac: I am trying to link bug #329018 to http://prototype.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8886/tickets/216-improve-initial-loading-speed
[12:15] <Laney> but there's no upstream project registered for this package
[12:15] <Laney> dholbach has given me some links though
[12:15] <jefferai> bigjools: ok, thanks
[12:16] <spiv> oubiwann: hmm, nothing obvious jumps out at me.  My best guess is some issue in the repository itself.
[12:16] <oubiwann> spiv: thanks for taking a look!
[12:17] <oubiwann> spiv: and have a good rest-of-your-night ;-)
[12:19] <bac> laney, i'm looking. give me a sec.
[12:19] <Laney> thanks
[12:21] <bac> intellectronica: do you know anything about our support for the bug tracker laney referenced ^^ ?
[12:23]  * intellectronica looking
[12:24] <intellectronica> Laney: what kind of bug tracker is this? i don't think i've seen it before
[12:24] <Laney> I don't know
[12:25] <intellectronica> ah, looks like it's some kind of new hosted service - lighthouse
[12:25] <Laney> I guess it's custom for this lighthouse issue tracking service
[12:25] <Laney> but I see that there is an API
[12:25] <intellectronica> Laney: we don't support it, but file a bug about it. we may try to tackle that in the future
[12:25] <Laney> sre
[12:25] <Laney> sure*
[12:26] <intellectronica> Laney: thanks
[12:26] <bac> thanks intellectronica
[12:26] <bigjools> thanks for helping, intellectronica and bac
[12:26] <Laney> intellectronica: There's already bug #236541 for this actually
[12:27] <Laney> thanks for your help guys
[12:27] <intellectronica> ah cool
[13:01] <apw> how long after a package appears Published in a PPA should i expect to wait befroe it appears in apt-get update/upgrade ?
[13:04] <bigjools> apw: once published, it should be instant
[13:06] <apw> cirtainly wasn't that, and indeed it went published, then i waited a while (retrying frequently) and i got a main publisher update, then the next update it got the ppa
[13:06] <apw> wonder if it gets held off for the main publisher runs
[13:09] <c_korn> hello, I have a large orig.tar.gz in my PPA and I just edited the diff.gz. Is there a way to upload without uploading the orig.tar.gz again? I tried with debuild -S -sd but the upload was rejected because of missing orig.tar.gz
[13:10] <bigjools> apw: ah that's the source status, you need to wait for it to build
[13:10] <bigjools> apw: once it's built wait up to 20 minutes for the binaries to be published
[13:10] <apw> oh hmmm, it had built by then.
[13:10] <apw> ahh ok
[13:11] <bigjools> we're going to make this status more obvious in a page redesign soon
[13:11] <apw> binary status would be handy for sure
[13:11] <bigjools> c_korn: yes, just upload w/o the orig but reference it in your dsc
[13:11] <c_korn> so I have to build with debuild -S -sa`
[13:11] <c_korn> ?
[13:12] <bigjools> I don't know the debuild options
[13:12] <bigjools> someone in #ubuntu-motu can help
[13:12] <c_korn> ok, thanks. I will try
[13:48] <jblount> Is there a simple way to confirm that I have my ssh key setup correctly? I seem to be having some trouble (Permission denied (publickey).)
[14:02] <beuno> jblount, ssh bazaar.launchpad.net?
[14:04] <jblount> beuno: Same failure. My key must have gotten fouled up somehow.
[14:04] <jblount> Thanks though!
[14:04] <beuno> jblount, maybe it's an issue with the username
[14:05] <beuno> jblount, try setting in ~/.ssh/config:
[14:05] <beuno> Host bazaar.launchpad.net
[14:05] <beuno>     User whateveryourusernameonlaunchpais
[14:06] <jblount> beuno: Yeah, that's all there. My ssh key seems to be the same as the one associated with my launchpad account also.
[14:06] <jblount> beuno: It was all working wednesday, not sure what might have changed.
[14:06] <soren> jblount: Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[14:07] <soren> (assuming you're indeed running Ubuntu)
[14:07] <jblount> 9.04
[14:07] <jblount> soren: ^^
[14:07] <soren> jblount: Then it might be a known problem.
[14:07] <soren> Hang on
[14:07]  * beuno is running 9.04 without any problems
[14:08] <soren> beuno: As am I.
[14:08] <jblount> beuno: I also can't login to various top secret work servers, so I'm guessing the problem is with me and not LP
[14:09] <soren> jblount: Hm... I can't find the bug report anymore. Maybe it was fixed...
[14:10] <jblount> soren: Thanks for the assist. I'll try to track it down elsewhere :)
[14:10] <soren> jblount: I saw two bug reports on this very subject yesterday. Hang on.
[14:10] <soren> jblount: Do you get an agent error at all?
[14:11] <soren> jblount: Or just the simple failure?
[14:11] <jblount> No, just the "Permission denied (publickey). from bzr
[14:12] <soren> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/328445
[14:12] <soren> jblount: What if you don't use bzr, but ssh directly?
[14:12] <jblount> soren: The same error sadly.
[14:14] <soren> jblount: Ok. Might be a different problem, then.
[14:21] <domas> statik: are you ever here? :)
[14:22] <statik> domas: of course, of course
[14:22] <domas> hah! that was surprising! :)
[14:22] <domas> saw you always idle for weeks
[14:22] <statik> but i'm always causing trouble in the other rooms
[14:22] <domas> statik: hello! :)
[14:22] <domas> I recently was playing with lots of lp features for my pet project hosting (lp:mydumper :)
[14:23] <statik> domas: hello yourself! ooh, what does it do?
[14:23] <domas> statik: 10x faster mysqldump :)
[14:23] <domas> parallelizes consistent snapshot reads
[14:24] <statik> very nice. so is launchpad doing what you want it to?
[14:24] <domas> still lacking few features
[14:25] <domas> project wiki hosting, one-click publishing from BZR to .tar.gz ;-)
[14:25] <domas> maybe better integration between series/release marking with branch tagging
[14:30] <domas> argh, disconnected
[14:30] <domas> right now major lacking feature seems to be no documentation hosting
[14:31] <domas> answers are a bit limited for that, and didn't find easy way to export them :)
[14:31] <domas> project wikis could help, I guess
[15:48] <jblount> soren: Thanks for the troubleshooting earlier, I was able to work with Launchpad from a VT so it seems to be some regression in Jaunty with Seahorse.
[15:55] <MTecknology> what's matt revells irc name?
[15:57] <jpds> MTecknology: mrevell.
[15:57] <mrevell> hey there MTecknology
[15:57] <MTecknology> hi
[15:58] <MTecknology> mrevell: I'm up for doing that
[15:59] <MTecknology> I don't have a whole lot of time right now since I had a crap load of projects piled on my for school though. So I might not make it right away into the next podcast
[16:00] <MTecknology> Test time: I'll bbiab
[16:04] <kirkland> so I'm the owner of a team in launchpad, ~ecryptfs-devel, which has a mailing list
[16:04] <kirkland> i'm subscribed to the mailing list
[16:04] <kirkland> but I do not receive any of the mail sent to that list
[16:04] <kirkland> can an admin tell what's wrong?
[16:04] <kirkland> i receive moderation messages
[16:04] <beuno> kirkland, have you checked that you're subscribed?
[16:04] <kirkland> when a non-subscriber sends a message
[16:04] <kirkland> beuno: ack
[16:05] <kirkland> beuno: " You are subscribed to the team mailing list.  "
[16:05] <beuno> kirkland, in https://edge.launchpad.net/~LPUSERNAME/+editemails
[16:06] <kirkland> beuno: true, i'm subscribed there too
[16:06]  * beuno is out of ideas and calls for barry-away or sinzui 
[16:06] <kirkland> beuno: i'm subscribed to several lists there, and i receive mails to those other lists
[16:06]  * barry reads scrollback
[16:06] <kirkland> beuno: i'm wondering if there's something kooky going on, with me owning the list?
[16:07] <kirkland> beuno: b/c i don't administer any of the other lists i'm subscribed to
[16:08] <beuno> kirkland, not AFAIK, pero barry's married to mailman, so he should know
[16:08] <sinzui> kirkland: which team is the problem for you?
[16:08] <kirkland> beuno: barry's married to a mailman?  wow, what a life :-)
[16:08] <kirkland> :-P
[16:08] <kirkland> sinzui: ecryptfs-devel
[16:09] <barry> kirkland: sometimes, it sure feels that way!
[16:09] <barry> kirkland: and divorce lawyers are expensive!
[16:09] <kirkland> barry: :-)
[16:10]  * kirkland will understand when barry goes postal one day, then
[16:10] <barry> kirkland: reading the scrollback.  are you using gmail?
[16:10] <kirkland> barry: for my mailing list subscriptions, yes
[16:10] <kirkland> barry: is that a problem?
[16:10] <barry> kirkland: it's a faq.  let me find it for you
[16:11] <kirkland> barry: whoops, okay
[16:12] <barry> kirkland: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/I+use+Gmail-Googlemail%2C+but+I+can%27t+tell+if+any+of+my+messages+have+been+posted+to+the+list
[16:12] <mrevell> MTecknology: Great stuff, let me know when is a good time for you
[16:12] <barry> kirkland: there's a link to this faq from the help wiki i'm pretty sure, let me see if i can find it
[16:13] <kirkland> barry: hmm, this isn't about the mail that i send
[16:13] <barry> kirkland: https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/MailingLists#troubleshooting
[16:13] <kirkland> barry: this is about mail sent by others to the list
[16:13] <kirkland> barry: i can see them in the archive
[16:13] <kirkland> barry: but they never end up in my inbox
[16:13] <barry> kirkland: hmm.  are these replies, or every message?
[16:14] <sinzui> kirkland: Are you listed on this page (you can only see it if you are a tram admin though): https://launchpad.net/~ecryptfs-devel/+mailing-list-subscribers
[16:14] <sinzui> We should really make that page public like the membership page
[16:14] <kirkland> sinzui: yes, i'm on that list
[16:15] <kirkland> barry: for instance, the archive is here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ecryptfs-devel/
[16:15] <kirkland> barry: that last message "Don't duplicate provided mount options"
[16:15] <kirkland> barry: from Tyler to the list
[16:15] <kirkland> barry: did not make it to my inbox (or spam folder)
[16:15] <barry> sinzui: or at least available to MLE's :)
[16:16] <barry> kirkland: do you see any messages on this list in your inbox?
[16:16] <kirkland> barry: only the ones that required moderation
[16:16] <kirkland> barry: in which case i get the moderation notice
[16:17] <kirkland> barry: but not the message text
[16:17] <kirkland> barry: "Maybe a bug" required moderation
[16:17] <barry> kirkland: so you never see any messages that are posted through the mailing list?
[16:17] <kirkland> barry: it was at that point i decided "WTF" ... I'm not getting any of these messages :-)
[16:17] <kirkland> barry: nope :-)
[16:17] <barry> ;)  okay, more dumb questions...
[16:18] <barry> kirkland: are you on any other lp mailing lists and do you see any of those postings?
[16:18] <kirkland> barry: yes, i think so, let me verify ....
[16:18]  * barry almost typed "malign lists", which seems oddly appropriate
[16:21] <kirkland> barry: yes, i'm definitely getting messages posted to the ubuntu-bugcontrol list
[16:21] <barry> kirkland: okay, that only makes things more confusing! :)
[16:22] <kirkland> barry: no kidding ...
[16:22] <barry> kirkland: because i can't think of anything fundamentally different between the two mailing lists that would cause one to fall in your inbox but not the other
[16:22] <barry> kirkland: my standard answer would be "check your junk" folder, but you've done that already
[16:22] <kirkland> barry: ownership is the only thing i can think of
[16:22] <kirkland> barry: i "own" ~ecryptfs-devel
[16:22] <kirkland> barry: but not bugcontrol
[16:23] <kirkland> barry: i was thinking there might be some error in the delivery logic
[16:23] <kirkland> barry: whatever prunes mail that would be sent to someone for multiple reasons
[16:23] <barry> kirkland: that's a difference, but it shouldn't matter.  i own ~haibunku and i get messages from it
[16:24] <barry> kirkland: when you visit launchpad.net/~encryptfs-devel you definitely see that you are the owner of the team and you are subscribed to the team mailing list, right?
[16:24] <kirkland> barry: okay, i just unsubscribed, and subscribed again
[16:24] <kirkland> barry: absolutely
[16:24] <kirkland> barry: could you push a test message to that list?
[16:25] <kirkland> now that i unsubscribed, and resubscribed
[16:25] <barry> kirkland: when you go to ~kirkland/+editemails, you see the subscription with the address you expect, right?
[16:25] <barry> kirkland: will do
[16:25] <kirkland> barry: right.  i just now changed *all* of my maliing list subscriptions to use my "Preferred" address, as opposed to defining each one independently
[16:26] <kirkland> barry: i'm hoping that change in my settings will trigger a rewrite of whatever config file is handling this
[16:26] <barry> kirkland: ok.  let me post a message.  you may have to approve it
[16:26] <kirkland> barry: right
[16:26] <barry> kirkland: it will.  actually let me give it a few minutes.  it can take a little while to get the changes pushed out to mailman
[16:26] <kirkland> barry: understood
[16:26] <barry> (there's a lag in subscription updates, should be no more than 5 minutes)
[16:26] <kirkland> ack
[16:27]  * kirkland finds it odd that he's actively trying to receive MORE mail :-)
[16:27] <kirkland> alas, this is mail i need to receive though :-P
[16:28] <barry> kirkland: that is indeed a personality disorder, of which i am the poster child
[16:28] <barry> kirkland: all emails need to be needed!
[16:29] <kirkland> barry: then you don't read debian-devel :-)
[16:29] <barry> :-D
[16:29]  * kirkland sighs about the wolfman perfume thread
[16:32] <barry> kirkland: message sent
[16:33] <kirkland> barry: moderation approved
[16:33] <barry> kirkland: let me know if you see it
[16:34] <kirkland> barry: bingo!
[16:34] <kirkland> barry: sweet, thanks
[16:34] <kirkland> barry: i'm going to assume it was the unsubscribe/resubscribed that fixed this for me
[16:34] <kirkland> barry: i'll let you know if i see anything like this again
[16:34] <barry> kirkland: great!  i don't really know what happened, but i'm just happy that the gremlins will go bother someone else for a while :)
[16:35] <barry> kirkland: sounds good
[16:35] <janko> Hello. Any admins willing to help with my lanuchpad problems?
[16:35] <janko> I cannot see my bugs (reported bym, or subscribed to; or comment ...)
[16:35] <kirkland> barry: cheers, have a good friday ;-)
[16:35] <janko> bym=by me
[16:35] <barry> thanks, you too!
[16:37] <MTecknology> mrevell: I will need to give some special credit to the guy that did most of it, but he wants me to do the thing
[16:37] <sladen> estimated build time starts may go up aswell as down
[16:37] <MTecknology> mrevell: what do I need to do to be able to do it?
[16:37] <sladen> ...how are they estimated?
[16:37] <MTecknology> mrevell: oh, I'
[16:37] <mrevell> cprov: can you help sladen?
[16:38] <mrevell> hello sladen, btw
[16:38] <mrevell> MTecknology: Skype's probably the easiest way to do it, for me. I can get a very nice recording from a Skype call
[16:38] <sladen> hullo Mr. Revell
[16:38] <cprov> sladen: hi, build ETA is based on the build order
[16:39] <MTecknology> mrevell: oh, I'm applying for membership on Fri 0300 ; would you be willing to stop in and support me?
[16:39] <sladen> mrevell: oh more to the point, is there anything that could be done to make the esimate closer to reality (eg. you are in a queue of X, your call is important to us)
[16:39] <cprov> sladen: a sum of how long each build with higher priority will take to be processed
[16:40] <cprov> sladen: the build duration is based on how long the previous source version took to build.
[16:40] <sladen> cprov: so it goes up (gets repeatedly pushed back) by higher-priority stuff arrivig whilst its queued?
[16:40]  * oojah_ waves at sladen 
[16:40] <cprov> sladen: yes
[16:40] <cprov> sladen: it also goes up when builds take longer than expected to build.
[16:41] <sladen> oojah: still in Nottingham?
[16:41] <oojah> Yup
[16:41] <mrevell> MTecknology: I'd love to but I'm likely to be in bed at that time
[16:41] <oojah> Although not at the lug much.
[16:41] <MTecknology> what tz are you?
[16:42] <mrevell> MTecknology: utc
[16:42] <oojah> sladen: How about you?
[16:42] <MTecknology> I'm -6 so that' only 21:00 for me
[16:42] <sladen> oojah: currently moored at Markey Drayton on the Shropshire Union
[16:42] <oojah> sladen: Oooh, nice.
[16:42] <MTecknology> mrevell: would you be willing to put something on my wiki and post to the list?
[16:42] <oojah> That sounds much better than being at work :)
[16:43] <sladen> cprov: ta.  I'll ponder if I come up with any better suggestions for presenting it (eg. there are X packages at this level and Y more important ones queued)
[16:44] <sladen> oojah: I am at work
[16:44] <cprov> sladen: sure, thanks, it's indeed far from perfection.
[16:46] <oojah> sladen: In that case :P
[16:54] <mrevell> MTecknology: Sure. Drop me an email to remind  me :)
[16:56] <bigjools> hmmm, I've corrected three questions filed on "apa" today that are really for Ubuntu, how are they making that mistake?
[17:01] <MTecknology> mrevell: Do you prerecord all conversations for the podcast?
[17:01] <mrevell> MTecknology: Yeah
[17:14] <MTecknology> joey: you around?
[17:14] <joey> MTecknology, yes. On a conf call
[17:14]  * Odd_Bloke imagines mrevell talking to cardboard cutouts of various Launchpad people.
[17:14] <joey> MTecknology, I just got a weird xchat dbus msg from you
[17:15] <MTecknology> sorry
[17:15] <mrevell> Odd_Bloke: heh
[17:15] <joey> MTecknology, no dialog, just a dbus msg that said "invited"
[17:15] <MTecknology> oh...
[17:15] <joey> MTecknology, no that was cool! I want to know how to do that
[17:15] <MTecknology> joey: I invited you to ##mteck
[17:15] <MTecknology>  /invite nick
[17:44] <janko> Hello again.    https://help.launchpad.net/HelpRotation    says I can find launchpad help here == Each week day, a member of the Launchpad team is available to help you with any Launchpad-related requests ==
[17:44] <janko> I cannot see bugs I have commented/subscribed to ...
[17:44] <janko> I can browse them of course, I can login to LP
[17:45] <janko> But I can see only few of them (older ones), not newer ones,  ty for any help
[17:45] <Odd_Bloke> bigjools: ^
[17:46] <bigjools> janko: can you give some examples?
[17:46] <janko> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/60911
[17:47] <bigjools> ok let me check it out
[17:47] <janko> bigjools:  ask more if u need more clear ...
[17:47] <janko> take your time, brb
[17:47] <janko> ty
[17:54] <bigjools> janko: I replied on your question
[17:54] <bigjools> summary: it's only showing open bugs
[17:54] <bigjools> EOD for me, bye all
[17:55] <Odd_Bloke> bigjools: o/
[17:55] <bigjools> ciao :)
[17:56] <janko> Yep i see it many thanks.
[17:57] <janko> bigjools: Thank you ;) and sry for your time waste :|
[17:57] <bigjools> janko: no problem!
[18:01] <thekorn> hi, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1?comments=all is giving me reproducible timeouts
[18:01] <thekorn> OOPS-1140EB255
[18:01] <beuno> thekorn, yeah, it
[18:01] <beuno> it's a known performance bug
[18:01] <beuno> people just keep on commenting, so it
[18:02] <beuno> it's a moving target
[18:02] <beuno> (I suck typing)
[18:02] <thekorn> ok, what about adding paging to comments :)
[18:03] <beuno> BjornT has all kinds of crazy ideas he's playing with
[18:03] <thekorn> ok, good to hear about this,
[18:05] <thekorn> I discussed it here some days ago, but this "only show first 80 comments" is not a solution, IMHO
[18:06] <Odd_Bloke> I dunno, I'd be surprised if there are any comments worth reading on bug #1. :p
[18:39] <kiko> I think if the bug has more than 80 comments comments should be disabled on it 8)
[18:40] <postalchris> Does Launchpad have Bazaar branches for each package? I.e., not the upstream branch, but the branch from which the package was created (with debian/control, etc)?
[18:41] <beuno> postalchris, not yes, but very soon. It's being worked on
[18:44] <postalchris> So say I want to create a branch of a package (in this case, a version of Amarok that uses libgpod4), what would be the best way to do that so I can easily share it with the community?
[19:26] <seiflotfy1> hi guys i need help
[19:26] <seiflotfy1> i cant login into launchpad using bzr
[19:26] <seiflotfy1> seif@Schroeder:~/Projects/gnome-doc-centric-playground$ bzr launchpad-login "Seif Lotfy"
[19:26] <seiflotfy1> bzr: ERROR: https://launchpad.net/%7ESeif%20Lotfy/%2Bsshkeys is permanently redirected to https://launchpad.net/~seif lotfy/+sshkeys
[19:36] <dsas_> seiflotfy1: iirs you need to use your nickname
[19:36] <dsas_> seiflotfy1: so seiflotfy
[19:37] <dsas_> or seif actually looking at it
[19:38] <beuno> muffinresearch, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/86392
[19:39] <beuno> IMHO, it's the most common example
[19:53] <MTecknology> joey: you there?
[19:54] <joey> yes MTecknology but running a voice call
[19:55] <MTecknology> :P
[19:55] <MTecknology> I just got a blackberry today, I flushed my other phone down the toilet last night and a buddy was selling his
[19:56] <MTecknology> joey: I was hoping we could discuss what you were talking about though
[19:56] <joey> MTecknology, sure. Let Stu send you his email first though so you can read it
[19:56] <joey> MTecknology, ping me Monday afternoon if you don't have it
[19:57] <MTecknology> joey: ok - is there any general stuff I should change about how I'm doing things?
[19:57] <joey> MTecknology, it's a bunch of recommendations for structuring to make it easier to maintain... nothing that you are doing "wrong" but rather ideas on how to do it better
[19:58] <MTecknology> you want me to wait for that then, or any of it now?
[19:58] <MTecknology> I'm more than open to making things work better