[00:02] <BUGabundo> guys did anyone upgrade from ibex to jaunty from Xubuntu?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> my friend ended up with GNOME! ROFL
[00:50] <akio> howdy
[00:51] <akio> so when are we going to get the shiny new KMS stuff?
[01:06] <nikolam> bah, anyane else have dvd/cd drive regarded in fstab as /dev/sdc0 and /dev/scd0 points to /dev/sr0
[01:07] <nikolam> it is PATA DVD
[01:08] <ali1234> nikolam: is that unusual?
[01:11] <nikolam> ali1234, it used to be /dev/hda before. Also mkudffs /dev/scd0 reports: trying to change type of multiple extents
[01:12] <ali1234> all pata ide stuff was changed to sd* ages ago :)
[01:13] <ali1234> like a year ago at least
[01:14] <nikolam> ali1234, don`t know, i used hardy :)
[01:14] <nikolam> anyway, can you format blank cdrw or dvd+rw as udf?
[01:15] <charlie-tca> nikolam: been a long time since it was hd?
[01:15] <ali1234> nikolam: i never tried
[01:15] <charlie-tca> My PATA dvd is the same way
[01:15] <nikolam> I don`t think that is sd* eather i have like sr0 here ..
[01:16] <ali1234> that's normal
[01:16] <charlie-tca> it is /dev/sr0, but cdrom and cdrom0 work
[01:16] <nikolam> ok so anyone used to format any udf cdrw or dvd lately?
[01:16] <nikolam> in jaunty
[01:17] <ali1234> i have sr0 -> scd0 on intrepid
[01:17] <ali1234> been that way as long as i can remember
[01:17] <nikolam> i am testin jaunty
[01:17] <ali1234> and my pata hd is sda
[01:17] <ali1234> my jaunty machine doesn't have a cdrom :)
[01:17] <nikolam> but i have scd0 > sr0
[01:18] <nikolam> so both floppies and dvd`s don`t count on jaunty? :)
[01:18] <nikolam> since there is no floppy icon eather.
[01:19] <charlie-tca> What do mean "don't count"? My drive scd0 > sr0 works fine, from what I have used it for
[01:19] <nikolam> Ok, sorry
[01:19] <nikolam> but floppy is missing
[01:20] <nikolam> can anyone also confirm it can read udf disks
[01:20] <nikolam> or make udf formatted cdrw or dvd+rw?
[01:22] <charlie-tca> Try putting a floppy in at startup; see if it reads it then. That works in 8.10
[01:23] <nikolam> charlie-tca, where is startup, i use xfce here. xubuntu jaunty
[01:24] <charlie-tca> When you start the computer
[01:24] <nikolam> do you think it should be displayed by default or not?
[01:24] <nikolam> a haa
[01:24] <charlie-tca> I have seen a bug report on that, and for the reporter it worked if a disk was in the drive when starting.
[01:24] <nikolam> ok wil try. hm. will get back after.
[01:24] <charlie-tca> I have not been able to use floppies in jaunty
[01:32] <nikolam> charlie-tca, no, same thing. it does not matter if floppy is in drive, there is line missing in /etc/fstab
[01:32] <nikolam> and directory missing in /media
[01:32] <nikolam> But I need to know if it is intentionally
[01:32] <nikolam> etc
[01:33] <charlie-tca> Okay. I can not get floppies to work either in jaunty. I was told it should work before the final release
[01:34] <nikolam> ok.
[02:20] <nikolam> hi
[02:20] <nikolam> Hi to tell what X server driver I use, since xorg.conf is blank?  I installed fglrx with synaptic in jaunty but how to make shure it is used? (reporting standby failure)
[02:20] <Matir> nikolam, what it's using would be listed in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:21] <nikolam> Matir, how would user change driver used?
[02:22] <RAOF> nikolam: As I understand it, fglrx in Jaunty won't work.
[02:22] <nikolam> RAOF, but it is in repository
[02:23] <nikolam> But other question how user can change server/driver for X that he wants to use?
[02:23] <RAOF> nikolam: Yeah, but only to check for packaging problems, in the hope that a new driver that actually works with our Xorg will be released.
[02:23] <RAOF> nikolam: But if you want to try, you will, indeed, need an xorg.conf.  The "Hardware Drivers" manager will create one for you, if you use it.
[02:23] <nikolam> RAOF, Hardware device manager seems blank.
[02:24] <RAOF> nikolam: Because it knows that there's no fglrx driver that will work for you ;)
[02:24] <nikolam> I never realized actually where all those setiings are stored now, after removing of corg.conf by default, anyway
[02:24] <RAOF> The defaults are in the server, but it's all autodetected.
[02:24] <nikolam> RAOF, ahaha I will try to make packages for newest ATI driver
[02:25] <RAOF> Does _that_ support our Xorg?
[02:25] <nikolam> i will see :)
[02:26] <nikolam> I am using it on hardy i will make and install jaunty packages for fglrx and come back to tell if it works etc
[02:37] <nikolam> RAOF, haha after making package, it is saying that _Later_ package (newer) is inside repository: xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:38] <nikolam> checking..
[02:44] <victory747> Hi, i'm running into a packaging issue in jaunty - specifically in bzr - how do I go about reporting this
[02:47] <RAOF> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bugs
[02:47] <victory747> ok, thanks
[04:04] <burner> anyone know how I can fix twinview using nvidia?
[04:06] <RAOF> "sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview"?
[04:06] <RAOF> burner: You mean the part where trying to change dual-head settings in nvidia-settings results in an error along the lines of "no metamode for $FOO"?
[04:06] <burner> interesting, i had no idea that flag was there
[04:06] <burner> yeah!
[04:06] <burner> it used to work around alpha2-3
[04:06] <RAOF> burner: Well, I've fixed that by installing xserver-xorg-video-nouevau :P
[04:07] <burner> do you have twin view with that?  how do you configure it?  I tried nouveau but it gave me a black screen
[04:07] <RAOF> burner: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution.  Nouveau supports XRandR 1.2, so standard tools work fine.
[04:07] <burner> i'm hip to trying nouveau, you've been pushing this whole dev cycle ;)
[04:08] <RAOF> Writing the twinview stuff to your xorg.conf with nvidia-xconfig will make the binary driver light up all the screens connected when X is started, though.
[04:08] <burner> well, I'm goign for nouveau again :)
[04:09] <burner> anything I have to do to regenerate xorg.conf for nouveau?
[04:10] <RAOF> You need to ensure there's a Driver "nouveau" line in there, but that's it.
[04:10] <RAOF> If it works, huzzah!
[04:10] <burner> bueno... brb
[04:10] <RAOF> If it doesn't, well, there's a new snapshot coming soon :)
[04:11] <burner> i feel like such a redhat user with the new "sudo service gdm restart"
[04:14] <burner> it works!  thanks raof
[04:15] <RAOF> burner: Cool.  What card?
[04:15] <burner> GeForce 7300 LE
[04:17] <RAOF> Funky.  Fast, high quality Xv!
[04:17] <burner> doesn't look like i have compositing... compiz won't start and I can check the box in gconf-editor for compositing in metacity, but i can't see any indication that it's working
[04:18] <RAOF> Also, if you don't run a composite manager, your Xv is sync'd to vblank on _both_ plugged in monitors!
[04:18] <burner> well... the administration dialog had real transparency, so composite + metacity works, why not in compiz?
[04:18] <RAOF> Well... because nouveau doesn't provide 3d yet :)
[04:19] <burner> compiz is 3d compositing even?  interesting
[04:19] <burner> i also have soem weird font chopping bug
[04:19] <RAOF> Compiz is an OpenGL compositing window manager; it uses OpenGL to do all its funky effects.
[04:19] <RAOF> Oooh!  Bugs!
[04:19] <burner> yeah, i love it :)
[04:20] <RAOF> If it's annoying, we can start the process of filing bugs :).
[04:20] <burner> it's interesting how it deals with my wallpaper... is there a way to control it better than just spanning one image?
[04:20]  * burner has a launchpad account that will get some work this week with nouveau I'm sure
[04:22] <RAOF> burner: No.  The spanned image is nautilus not being particularly dual-head friendly.
[04:28] <burner> aww... i guess it's the same with the nvidia driver.. it'd kde that's different
[04:30] <RAOF> KWin actually has an XRender (read: lighting fast on nouveau) backend for (some of) its effects.  It's quite a fun window manager.
[04:30] <RAOF> And, yes.  It's the same with the nvidia driver.
[04:31]  * burner can't switch to kde... something keeps annoying me
[04:32] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  But you _can_ use KWin in gnome :)
[04:32] <RAOF> Although it doesn't handle dual-head quite as well as metacity, so I'm no longer using it.
[04:36] <burner> both are better than xfwm4 for me on dualhead
[04:36] <RAOF> Quite possible.  I've never used xfwm
[04:37] <burner> now if someone could figure out how to full screen a flash video on one side, and still be able to click windows on the other side, we'd be all set :)
[04:39] <burner> i've never been able to use this Xrandr control before, it's pretty simple, but smoother than the nvidia-settings
[04:42] <RAOF> Yes.  It's really good.
[04:42] <RAOF> Hey.  Fullscreen video on one head & doing stuff on the other doesn't work?
[04:42] <burner> not fullscreen flash
[04:43] <burner> fullscreen totem or mplayer or dragonplayer are fine (my vlc sucks, but that's another issue... could it be that i'm using xvideo out?)
[04:43] <RAOF> Does it take a pointer grab and make any clicks un-fullscreen, or something.
[04:43] <burner> exactly
[04:43] <RAOF> Xvideo is what you want.  Nice and fast on nouveau, and sync'd to vblank.
[04:43] <burner> i bet it's a flash issue
[04:45] <burner> i guess my vlc is fine... must have been with nvidia... but it doesn't show up in the video window, but creates a new window
[05:42] <punkrockguy318> Uh, is booting into the -7 kernel with grub kernel panicing for anyone else?
[05:44] <SwedeMike> no, works fine here.
[05:49] <punkrockguy318> SwedeMike: aw damn I guess i'll have to write the error down, but the kernel is complaining about ACPI and the UUID or something but -6 works fine
[05:52] <punkrockguy318> Oh, found my answer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=779799 if anyone is reading this log and has the same problem
[06:27] <CosmiChaos> did anyone get shares-admin to work or even samba?
[06:27] <CosmiChaos> ** (shares-admin:4603): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session information for process '4603'
[06:28] <CosmiChaos> i have no startmenu-entry in systemadministration for shares-admin
[06:28] <CosmiChaos> :( any idea?
[07:53] <CosmiChaos> did anyone get shares-admin to work or even samba?
[07:55] <CosmiChaos> btw alpha4 with latest dist-upgrade runs well on 64 bit
[07:55] <CosmiChaos> i never had a so fast booting os :O
[07:56] <CosmiChaos> it's a pitty we dont step on to 2.6.29, hopefuly there will be at least an option to upgrade to 2.6.29 when 9.04 is final. i really dont want to wait for 9.10 for that kernel
[07:59] <CosmiChaos> i guess the release rc7 at the beginning of the next week, imho it will be final before kernel freeze, but kernel main version depends on feature freeze ;p bad
[08:00] <CosmiChaos> main version = versions
[08:42] <syockit> sure there'll be a new kernel packaged around that time
[08:43] <syockit> btw rc7??
[08:43] <ikonia> I didn't know there was any RC's ?
[08:43] <ikonia> thought it was still in alpha/beta cycle
[08:43] <syockit> i only had rc4
[08:43] <syockit> ikonia: no, that was about the kernel
[08:44] <syockit> I'm running on 29-rc4
[08:44] <ikonia> ahhh kernel rc's
[08:44] <CosmiChaos> gooooooooood mooooorning jaaaauuunty :D
[08:45] <CosmiChaos> yes kernel rcs, i guess rc7 will be released about monday or thursday
[08:45] <CosmiChaos> i think there will be rc9 maximum rc14 before final
[08:46] <syockit> why isn't it on kernel.org, this rc7?
[08:46] <CosmiChaos> or i dont know, caunting the developement time and try to find it somewhere near the last releases it could maybe go final just on rc8
[08:47] <ikonia> you can't judge it on the last release ?
[08:47] <CosmiChaos> because im speculating :D
[08:47] <ikonia> just because one release went to rc8 - doesn't mean the next would be "around that"
[08:47] <CosmiChaos> no but the last 4 release took a approximately developement time
[08:47] <ikonia> it's pointless to speculate on this a.) in an ubuntu channel b.) unless your on the development list and following the status in detail
[08:48] <CosmiChaos> t:D
[08:49] <syockit> cannot find it, not even on lkml
[08:50] <CosmiChaos> the path for kernels for jaunty is clear, so ive nothing to say uppon that except of pleasing for a 2.6.29 ubuntu release for jaunty after it goes stable
[08:50] <CosmiChaos> enough would be when both are stable and a weeks later there is an option to upgrade
[08:52] <CosmiChaos> waiting for 9.10 seems to be inacceptable for me and maybe other users
[08:52] <syockit> hmm, I wonder what rt patches do?
[08:52] <CosmiChaos> i dont really guess 2.6.29 takes longer than jaunty ;)
[08:52] <RAOF> What do you desperately need in .29?
[08:53] <CosmiChaos> i can tell you that when the final is out
[08:53] <CosmiChaos> ;)
[08:53] <CosmiChaos> at first i want it
[08:54] <RAOF> Oh.  It's just version number envy.  Right.
[08:54] <CosmiChaos> due of normal innovation ;)
[08:54] <CosmiChaos> no not at all just "getting the higher" version
[08:54] <syockit> except for some bizzare new tech from some unknown hardware, I didn't find anything new in .29
[08:54] <CosmiChaos> 2.6.29 is an experimenting kernel with lots of new features
[08:55] <CosmiChaos> atm i agree that i dont know any :D
[08:55] <syockit> yeah, like when was the last time we had an experimenting kernel?
[08:56] <CosmiChaos> hm so ne version numbering scheme is lying?
[08:56] <syockit> ん、そうね？
[08:57] <syockit> I'm starting to lose....
[08:57] <CosmiChaos> does jaunty really wants to jump 2.6.29 at all???
[08:57] <syockit> I don't think so
[08:58] <syockit> not enough time before freeze
[08:58] <CosmiChaos> yi mean overjump
[08:58] <CosmiChaos> to generally not to use it at all not even in 9.04.1 or 9.04.02
[08:58] <CosmiChaos> nor through a general dist-upgrade
[08:58] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: what are these new experimental featurs you want
[08:59] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: you seem very keen for it - what exactly is it in .29 you want/need ?
[08:59] <syockit> extra PAT hacks?
[08:59] <ikonia> I'm curious
[09:00] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: ill get back to you wait some minute please while i inform myself, at which point i benefit from 2.7.29
[09:00] <syockit> GEM's already backported, so what else
[09:01] <syockit> btrfs? incomplete....
[09:02] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: hold it there are lots of
[09:02] <syockit> new ati drivers>
[09:02] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: I didn't say anything
[09:03] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: I just asked what the features you where after where, the ones that you need/want very keen
[09:03] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: you must know a few core ones to be this keen ?
[09:05] <syockit> wimax?
[09:05] <ikonia> ok - as there is no real answer, I suggest we stop discussing the kernel stuff, and just focus on the Jaunty development discusion as suggested in the topic
[09:06] <syockit> yup, my fault. brought it too much offtopic
[09:06] <ikonia> not a big deal, but it's now getting into "I want bigger version number" discussion, which isn't really a disussion
[09:07] <syockit> the other day someone was suggesting to reconsider the theme sounds that was proposed for intrepid, but didn't make it
[09:08] <syockit> my life on jaunty's too peaceful right now. strange considering usually alpha4 is a hot period
[09:10] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: improvements in the kernel's network support features espeacially GRO, maybe new wlan drivers for my new notebook in april, yeah kernel-based ap-function what be nice, lets go on... bluetooth suspend/resume saves energy for me, proper reliable suspend and hibernate, WIMAX will work on my new nootbook in April to, so i need that upgrades in 2.6.29, lets go on ... btrs rocks even more that ext4 could be a nice feature for jaunty
[09:10] <CosmiChaos> , HDMI and other 3D improvements for Kernel Modules for Xorg, so thats a lot isnt it?
[09:11] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: it is when you've just cut and paste that and really didn't know that until someone asked
[09:11] <CosmiChaos> maybe i dont need it for jaunty, but i definetly want it :D
[09:12] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: you get much futher if you are just straight with people and lets be honest, you wanted a bigger version number,
[09:12] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: and where is the problem by that, is the problem that i read about the new things after talking here or what is it?
[09:13] <CosmiChaos> cant you just argue on that features and why they are not accepted for jaunty?
[09:13] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: the problem is you made an argument for the development of an operating system based on a bigger number - then when you got pulled on it, you had to go and research it
[09:13] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: who says they are not accepted for jaunty ?
[09:14] <CosmiChaos> ii read a article that canonical apokesman announced users will have to wait for 9.10 for 2.6.29
[09:14] <CosmiChaos> but there was no argue on that, thats why i just ask
[09:15] <CosmiChaos> i find that statement quite dissappointing
[09:16] <ikonia> why ?
[09:16] <ikonia> the operating system is less then 2 months away from release, and the kernel you want is still not marked as stable ?
[09:17] <ikonia> how could you expect any distribution to swap at such a late time and not be a development release ?
[09:17] <CosmiChaos> so no its unstable i dodnt say anything else
[09:17] <syockit> you can compile it yourself by the time it's ripe. not that hard
[09:17] <ikonia> what do you mean "so no it's unstable" ?
[09:17] <CosmiChaos> but that statement told says to me there will be definetly no possibility to upgrade to 2.6.29 in jaunty NEVER
[09:18] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: why should there be ?
[09:18] <CosmiChaos> even not WHEN it gets stable, thats my point
[09:18] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: why should there be ?
[09:18] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: features in ubuntu kernels are normally back ported rather than change the major version for stability reasons
[09:18] <syockit> I wonder if there's any point to this conversation
[09:18] <ikonia> it's quite common, Redhat have been doing this for years with great sucess on it's enterprise products
[09:19] <CosmiChaos> why not is ubuntu so unflexible to ignore that
[09:19] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: re-read what I said
[09:19] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: features are back ported
[09:20] <CosmiChaos> so you mean 2.6.28ubuntu will be the same than 2.6.29
[09:20] <CosmiChaos> ???
[09:20] <ikonia> no, features from 2.6.29 will be back ported into the ubuntu kernel tree where appropriate ?
[09:20] <crdlb> you can't possibly switch kernel versions in the middle of a stable release
[09:20] <CosmiChaos> or even have equal features or nearly
[09:20] <crdlb> nobody does that
[09:20] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: features that are deemed compatible/stable/worth while
[09:21] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: you cant force a switch, thats true, but can you add a possibilty for a switch??
[09:21] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: did you read what he said
[09:21] <CosmiChaos> yes i do
[09:21] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: he didn't say force any switch
[09:22] <ikonia> he said "you cant possibly" and "no-one does that"
[09:22] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: if you can provide an argument beyond "it has a bigger number that I want" - you'd be in a better place to discuss this
[09:22] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: features are back ported, that should tick your "features I want" argument
[09:22] <CosmiChaos> i remembered there was a kernel switch in the last ubuntu versions
[09:22] <CosmiChaos> so you do
[09:22] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: really - when ?
[09:22] <ikonia> so do I ?
[09:23] <CosmiChaos> i dont know, you say ubuntu never did?
[09:24] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: what release of ubuntu did a kernel updrade  ?
[09:24] <CosmiChaos> as i repeat i dont know, maybe im wrong
[09:24] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: ok - so as far as I'm aware it's never happened
[09:25] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: and if it did happen it would be a pretty big desision
[09:25] <ikonia> rather than "I want a bigger number, please upgrade"
[09:25] <CosmiChaos> so you never happened using the release kernel and at some day before next release you could upgrade to a newer kernel version
[09:25] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: the features you want maybe backported once they are deemed stable, some of the fetures certainly seem worth while, such as the bluetooth standby, I wasn't aware of that, and it would be good
[09:26] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: your not listening
[09:26] <ikonia> the physial numbes on the kernel mean nothing to distros - those numbers are for vanillia kernels, most distros will back port stable features, so the base version will not change
[09:27] <CosmiChaos> so lol did i got that right, because of a stable release not fitting that window, you will rather backport every single new feature instead of just adding the new kernel?? looool
[09:27] <ikonia> the physical number is basiclly the snap shot at that moment in time that the packaged kernel was based on
[09:27] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: I'm afraid you don't understand what your saying
[09:27] <CosmiChaos> there where no work is, we create it
[09:27] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: what ?
[09:28] <CosmiChaos> is backporting an easy low time efficient job?
[09:28] <ikonia> depends on what's been back ported
[09:29] <CosmiChaos> wimax for example
[09:29] <ikonia> it depends
[09:29] <ikonia> I think we should probably drop this as its clear your just arguing version numbers, rather than comon sense running of production distros/software
[09:29] <CosmiChaos> of course it depends even how the weather shines how long it takes a developer when he does his work ;)
[09:29] <ikonia> ok now you've made the discussion silly
[09:29] <ikonia> lets leave it
[09:29] <CosmiChaos> :D
[09:30] <ikonia> I'm not laughing, I dont enojoy wasting my time
[09:30] <CosmiChaos> it was silly from the beginning
[09:30] <ikonia> it wasn't your initial question was valid
[09:31] <CosmiChaos> phew then it was, may the force be with you
[09:34] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: are the features of 2.6.28 backported to 2.6.27-rt, espeacially quickboot?
[09:36] <ikonia> CosmiChaos:  I don't know what was back ported without looking
[09:36] <CosmiChaos> is there a reference was has been backported to rt?
[09:36] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: in the change logs there probably is
[09:36] <ikonia> I've not looked, I normally jusy follow the developers mail list
[09:37] <CosmiChaos> i follow the kernel daily
[09:37] <CosmiChaos> even when i just dont understand 2/3
[09:37] <CosmiChaos> :)
[09:37] <TuTUXG> anyone knows about vmware? i got vmplayer 2.5.1 installed but the vmnet configure makes my wireless connection unable to access internet, any options?
[09:37] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: the ubuntu developers list - not lkml
[09:38] <ikonia> TuTUXG: on ubuntu 9.04 ?
[09:38] <TuTUXG> ikonia, yes
[09:38] <CosmiChaos> i you mean jaunty changes?
[09:38] <TuTUXG> ikonia, i got a script from vmware forum to configure the mods with the new kernel
[09:38] <ikonia> TuTUXG: probably bridging not configured correclty, this is common with qemu and wirless because wirless cards drivers do not all have bridging extensions
[09:39] <TuTUXG> ikonia, so u mean if i use nat it should work?
[09:41] <ikonia> TuTUXG: no - I mean the wirless card drivers do not support bridging extensions in a lot of cases
[09:41] <CosmiChaos> btw i didnt copied and pasted new kernel features, i wrote it after overlooking the newsarticels i read, and i read them before, i just dont remember in detail what the points were, so the statement of canonical for the new kernel in jaunty was dissappointing
[09:41] <TuTUXG> ikonia, it worked fine with my old 8.10 installation
[09:42] <ikonia> TuTUXG: your using a new kernel with different modules, I'm making a genalisation - not a factual statment, I've not researched it
[09:42] <TuTUXG> ikonia, the thing is i can still connect to my router with my wireless connection
[09:42] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: please drop it - it's clear your arguing bigger version numbers over substance
[09:42] <ikonia> TuTUXG: but you can't get beyond your wirless router ?
[09:43] <TuTUXG> ikonia, but cannot get beyond it
[09:43] <TuTUXG> exactly
[09:43] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: why? because noones arguing about the features i mentioned in jaunty kernel?
[09:43] <CosmiChaos> thats not true
[09:43] <TuTUXG> ikonia, i m guessing it's something wrong with the subnet vmplayer's using for vmnet
[09:44] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: drop it please
[09:44] <ikonia> TuTUXG: I wonder if it's created a conflict ?
[09:44] <CosmiChaos> ok i drop that kernel and ask generally, is wimax in jaunty features till now?
[09:44] <ikonia> TuTUXG: I have done that myself when I miss-configured a kvm host
[09:44] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: is it in the 2.6.28 kernel ?
[09:45] <CosmiChaos> i dont know i can test it first ion april i have no such device
[09:45] <CosmiChaos> is it?
[09:45] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: look in the kernel release notes
[09:45] <TuTUXG> ikonia, i dont know, if my wireless is on 192.168.0.*, which one should be for the vmnet?
[09:45] <ikonia> TuTUXG: what do you mean which one ?
[09:45] <TuTUXG> ikonia, which subnet?
[09:46] <ikonia> TuTUXG: depends how you set up the vmware server ?
[09:46] <TuTUXG> ikonia, im not good at subnetting at all
[09:46] <CosmiChaos> narf so it means it is in 2.6.28 i dont want to ask again when its not in 2.6.28 damn
[09:46] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: your not making any sense
[09:47] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: if the feature you want is in the stock 2.6.28 kernel - it is very likley it is in the current jaunty kernel (without checking in detail myself)
[09:47] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: does that make it clearer ?
[09:47] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: WiMaX is not in 2.6.28, so.. my question will it be in jaunty?
[09:47] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: no
[09:47] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: unless someone decides to backport an unstable features pre-release
[09:47] <CosmiChaos> O.o
[09:48] <ikonia> or a feature from a non-marked-stable kernel to be clear
[09:48] <TuTUXG> ikonia, should the bridged adaptor be in the same subnet with my wireless connection?
[09:48] <ikonia> TuTUXG: it depends how you've set up your vmware host
[09:49] <CosmiChaos> and when it becomes stable, will it then be in Jaunty or is that part of the changes users have to wait for 9.10?
[09:49] <ikonia> TuTUXG: you can put the guest on what ever network you like
[09:49] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: it depoends it people decide it's worth back porting, critera such as stability/compatability/benifits/time etc will likley play a key factor
[09:50] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: thanks for that information
[09:50] <CosmiChaos> the benefits are magnificant
[09:50] <CosmiChaos> wimax rocks
[09:51] <TuTUXG> ikonia, ok, if im going to use nat, should the gateway address be my wireless connection's ip?
[09:51] <TuTUXG> ikonia, or its doesnt matter...
[09:52] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: poor argument, I suggest you drop the topi now
[09:52] <ikonia> TuTUXG: I think you need to read the vmware setup guide
[09:52] <TuTUXG> ikonia, i guess so
[09:52] <ikonia> TuTUXG: it should walk you through a basic setup
[09:53] <TuTUXG> ikonia, the thing is with 2.5.1 they dont have that step by step script anymore....
[09:53] <ikonia> TuTUXG: talk to vmware support then
[09:53] <TuTUXG> ya, i should try that
[09:55]  * DanaG ponders 2.6.29
[09:55] <DanaG> er
[09:55] <DanaG> wonders... will Jaunty have it?
[09:55] <DanaG> I sure hope so... I'd like to have the improved HP accelerometer driver.
[09:55] <ikonia> DanaG: acording to CosmiChaos canonial made a release that it would not be in jaunty
[09:55] <ikonia> I've not read that myself
[09:56] <DanaG> Oh, and KMS.
[09:56] <DanaG> would be dang cool.
[09:56] <DanaG> hmm, will there be a PPA, at least?
[09:56] <DanaG> That'd be enough for me.
[09:57] <DanaG> Either that, or how long until the next development version?  =P
[09:57] <ikonia> DanaG: next release would be 9.10
[09:57] <DanaG> I mean, until it has its kernel version available.
[09:57] <DanaG> Perhaps I should just file a report on that HP accelerometer thing -- wouldn't be too huge to backport.
[09:58] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: that means never to get canonical featured 2.6.29, because 9.10 will use 2.6.30 ;)
[09:58] <DanaG> Good enough for me.  =P
[09:58] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: don't make stuff up
[09:58] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: no-one said 8.10 will use .30
[09:58] <DanaG> s/8/9/
[09:58] <ikonia> 9.10
[09:58] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: was it so bad?
[09:58] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: it can miss-lead people - yes
[09:58] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: more so when you say your reading/commenting on official canonical statments
[09:59] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: i said that, probably its wrong, but the chances are quite good well never see 2.6.29 in synaptic with a canonical mark,
[09:59] <DanaG> One annoying issue: even on Intrepid, I can't use fglrx newer than 8.543.
[10:00] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[10:00] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: in 9.04 - yes, but you just said 9.10 will never use it and it will use .30 - that is not fact
[10:00] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: or even theory
[10:00] <DanaG> ... with fuuuullllll stacktrace!
[10:00] <DanaG> (serial-over-lan) + (serial console) == ♥
[10:01] <ikonia> DanaG: serial over lan is a big plus
[10:01] <DanaG> When I was buying my laptop, I just thought:
[10:02] <DanaG> Hmm, just 35 bucks to have AMT enabled?  Might as well buy it; I'm sure I'll find a use for it.
[10:02] <DanaG> And I did.  =þ
[10:03] <DanaG> My biggest gripe with radeon: it's aged my battery quite a bit.
[10:03] <DanaG> And I've only had this laptop for 2 months or so.
[10:03] <DanaG> Drawing 30 watts on battery == bad.
[10:04] <DanaG> Idle with fglrx is 19 watts.
[10:04] <DanaG> idle with radeon is 30 or higher.
[10:05] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~apw/mainline/v2.6.29-rc4/
[10:05] <DanaG> Is that a PPA?
[10:06] <DanaG> Or just bare debs?
[10:07] <CosmiChaos> i guess bare debs i dont recommend them
[10:07] <CosmiChaos> i found it via http://blog.redvoodoo.org/2009/02/jaunty-kernel-bits.html
[10:09] <DanaG> yay.
[10:09] <DanaG> Thanks!
[10:09] <CosmiChaos> because there are no restricted modules i will not test them because they are senseless for me
[10:10] <DanaG> The only restricted module I use is fglrx.
[10:10] <DanaG> Headers are enough for me.
[10:10] <DanaG> Anyway, my biggest things in 2.6.29: KMS (for Radeon), and HP accelerometer.
[10:10] <CosmiChaos> hm i use nvidia, is it enough to download latest nvidia from nvidia ftp and compile own modules?
[10:11] <DanaG> Don't do it that way; let dkms do it for you.
[10:11] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: that's just someones home dir
[10:12] <crdlb> in case you missed the decription surrounding the link, that kernel is a vanilla kernel.org kernel
[10:12] <CosmiChaos> ikonia: you mean the nvidia ftp mirror? of course it is private, what youd except, virusses? :D
[10:12] <ikonia> the debugging kernel
[10:12] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: what ????? I never mentioned anything about nvidia, I said the link you posted was just someone's home diretory on a web server
[10:13] <DanaG> I don't even remember exactly what "sauce" Ubuntu adds, actually.
[10:13] <crdlb> which is why they're providing vanilla for comparison now :)
[10:13] <CosmiChaos> ah yes sry that you mean, ok i guess that person build a vanilla kernel of 2.6.29 for jaunty
[10:14] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: forget about 2.6.29 - your getting worked up over nothing
[10:14] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: the guys building ubuntu have years and years of experience, trust their judgment, they know better than you
[10:14] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: they can see beyond version numbers, and have a bigger picture of how things are put together
[10:15] <CosmiChaos> uhm yes master lord, you want to indirectly say that im directly stupid, right? ;)
[10:15] <ikonia> no
[10:15] <ikonia> that's not what I said
[10:15] <CosmiChaos> little padawans confused by version numbers, do mean that?
[10:16] <CosmiChaos> i just dont like backports
[10:16] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: no - your whole initial argument was based on version numbers, we've discussed what pretty much every distro does to deal with kernel versions, and your still looking around for more 2.6.29 ubuntu package/kenel stuff, I'm saying trust the guys who package/build the distros they are big group
[10:16] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: why don't you like backports ?
[10:17] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: RHEL the most sucessful enterprise distro has been doing it for years with massive massive sucess
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> because there is no reference whcih features are in and out, the version numbers by lklm are clearly featured releases
[10:18] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: there is if you read the change logs - which you should do before upgrading any kernel
[10:18] <ikonia> (in a production or production class environment)
[10:18] <CosmiChaos> massive success? i hated suse i hated redhat and i hated mandriva, would there not been ubuntu i would stuck on win :D
[10:18] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: you hating them does not make them any less of a massive sucess
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> oh know but when our teacher gave us suse i saw the massive success ;)
[10:19] <ikonia> what ?
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> and when i tried to deal with redhat i feel the success
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> ;)
[10:19] <DanaG> http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.2/00164.html
[10:19] <DanaG> Ooh!
[10:19] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: if you can't discuss things in a sensible way, please don't bother
[10:20] <CosmiChaos> tell me what dimension i massive success for you? some enterprises see it as a cost efficient tool?
[10:20] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: your talking nonsense now and starting
[10:20] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: this is nothing to do with ubuntu any more - we are going way off topic
[10:20] <ikonia> as I requested early - lets drop this now
[10:20] <CosmiChaos> i just stated that users are forced to review chagelogs of internal version releases if the want to know wich distro to choose for their newest notebook
[10:21] <CosmiChaos> that is a point
[10:21] <ikonia> just read the hardwae compatability lists
[10:21] <ikonia> you don't have to review kernel change logs for that
[10:21] <CosmiChaos> it doesnt refer non hardware supported features either
[10:21] <crdlb> also, live cds ...
[10:21] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: to get that info users would have to read lkml change log features
[10:22] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: so they either read the distro - or they read lkml - your argument is void
[10:22] <CosmiChaos> no their are massive reviews of what is new in the kernel versions
[10:22] <CosmiChaos> by ct, heise and many many others
[10:22] <ikonia> ct ?
[10:22] <ikonia> heise ?
[10:22] <CosmiChaos> its a german it-news prtal
[10:23] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: oh - so they have to subscribe to that then
[10:23] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: the point is they have to read somewhere for the features, it doesn't matter where
[10:23] <CosmiChaos> whatsoever there are thousands of information out there whats new in the kernels
[10:23] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: drop this now - it's getting silly
[10:24] <DanaG> Grr, I wish ATI would, at the very least, put some damned power management in the radeon driver.
[10:24] <CosmiChaos> when a user wants wimax, ie on a new netbook, ubuntu lost them until the integrate it
[10:24] <ikonia> CosmiChaos: drop it
[10:24] <DanaG> DynamicClocks doesn't cut it.
[10:25] <DanaG> 30 watts on battery... my battery has already lost about 10 minutes worth of max capacity, out of 4:10 or so,
[10:25] <DanaG> .
[10:25] <DanaG> Or perhaps even 15 minutes lost.
[10:25] <ikonia> DanaG: is that all drained from the video card ?
[10:25] <syockit> 30 watts too much!!
[10:25] <DanaG> Yeah.  Idle on radeon is 30 watts total, idle on fglrx is 19 watts.
[10:25] <DanaG> All else the same.
[10:25] <ikonia> I had no idea it was that high
[10:26] <DanaG> I don't mind so much the not having 3D... but having it wear out my battery... royally sucks.
[10:26] <DanaG> Normal max battery life: about 4 hours.  On radeon on battery: 1.5 to 2.
[10:27]  * DanaG goes to bed now.
[10:27] <DanaG> Fri Feb 13 02:27:47 PST 2009
[10:27] <DanaG> YEah, look at the time.
[10:27] <DanaG> =þ
[10:46] <DanaG> http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/hp-accelerometer-fix-LED-handling-add-freefall-detection--ftopict490650.html
[10:46] <DanaG> bummer, that kernel package lacks /dev/freefall
[10:47] <DanaG> So it must not have the indicated patches.
[10:55] <syockit> I thought you went to bed?!
[12:44] <vbgunz> sound in jaunty is as bad as it was in the very ubuntu I ever tried. horrible. such breakage has to be on purpose, why?
[12:44] <TheInfinity> vbgunz: alpha?
[12:44] <vbgunz> well, I can hear my startup/shutdown sound. I can play amarok in the middle *but* no sound in flash though I had it working and no sound in any of my virtual machines...
[12:45] <vbgunz> TheInfinity: yeah, latest jaunty there is with all updates
[12:45] <vbgunz> intrepid either doesn't work with my board or something *but* I cannot even boot successfully into intrepid on a live cd
[12:46] <vbgunz> I can deal without sound in flash and virtualbox as its a convenience. my question is, is sound working so badly something that is going on on purpose right now? it really reminds me of Ubuntu 3 years ago.
[13:46] <El_Presidente> hi where do i get this package?
[13:46] <El_Presidente> configure: libhal 32-bit development files not found, no dynamic device support.
[13:50] <El_Presidente> should be something like lib32hal-dev
[14:28] <gourgi>  Warning: Using default salt value (undefined in ~/.ecryptfsrc)
[14:28] <gourgi> any ideas ?
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Using encrypted drive; needs a random number generator to use for encryption; using defaults
[14:32] <charlie-tca> non-technical explanation ^ ^
[14:34] <gourgi> charlie-tca is there something i have to do to vanish this warning ?
[14:34] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I have not seen it in a long time
[14:34] <gourgi> btw i don't have a ~/.ecryptfsrc file
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Is it a warning box on screen? maybe hit enter
[14:35] <gourgi> charlie-tca warning exists in /var/log/messages
[14:36] <charlie-tca> No problem then, it is just a warning. You could always google it to see if you need to do anything
[14:36] <gourgi> the warning started when i install ecryptfs=utils , to create a second user with --encrypt-home option
[14:37] <gourgi> googled it , no much info found , i wonder if it a bug report would be of any help with this
[14:37]  * gourgi wishes kirkland was around
[14:37] <charlie-tca> It isn't a bug, it just advises
[14:38] <gourgi> charlie-tca i know but certainly it floods my logs
[14:38] <gourgi> anyway thanks for helping :)
[14:39] <charlie-tca> Is there any information in "man encryptfs"? or in /usr/share/doc/encryptfs ?
[14:41] <BUGabundo> RT myself: anyone upgrading from Xubuntu ended up with GNOME on jaunty?
[14:41] <charlie-tca> That sounds bad.
[14:42] <charlie-tca> Today's upgrade?
[14:42] <gourgi> charlie-tca there is documentation but nothing says about ecryptfsrc!
[14:43] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: yesterday at night
[14:43] <BUGabundo> 14 hours ago
[14:44] <charlie-tca> Sounds like something got crossed up. I'll run one in a few minutes here
[14:46] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: /me is lost
[14:46] <BUGabundo> are you talking to me?
[14:46] <BUGabundo> or gourgi?
[14:46] <charlie-tca> anyone able to install Ubuntu Jaunty from the alternate cd today?
[14:47] <BUGabundo> haven't tested it
[14:47] <BUGabundo> ever since feisty or something
[14:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:47] <BUGabundo> always use livecd
[14:47] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: you. I will install xubuntu 8.10 and run the upgrade. Did you file a bug report?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> not yet
[14:48] <BUGabundo> not at my friends place to check logs of the upgrade
[14:48] <BUGabundo> he just mention it to me last night
[14:48] <BUGabundo> I guess UM would leave something on /var/logs
[14:48] <charlie-tca> did you use the cd or internet to upgrade?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> right?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> internet
[14:48] <BUGabundo> update-manager -d
[14:49] <charlie-tca> Okay. I'm starting the 8.10 install now
[14:49] <BUGabundo> I'll ask him to email me all his logs on this
[14:49] <BUGabundo> so I can file a bug
[14:50] <BUGabundo> not sure if he ended up with just gnome session or both, and gnome as default
[14:50] <charlie-tca> okay. Let me know what the bug number is.
[14:51] <BUGabundo> sure
[14:51] <BUGabundo> can I sub you to it on LP once I have opedn the bug?
[14:52] <BUGabundo> who are you called tere?
[14:53] <charlie-tca> yes that would be fine. charlie-tca there also
[14:55] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: He didn't have Ubuntu installed, then changed to xubuntu, did he?
[14:56] <charlie-tca> That would upgrade to gnome desktop
[14:56] <BUGabundo> AFAIK no
[14:56] <BUGabundo> I think he instaled xubuntu from burned CD
[14:56] <charlie-tca> okay.
[14:56] <BUGabundo> its a 4 yo acer laptop with 512MiBs of ram
[14:57] <BUGabundo> previously he had kubuntu on it
[14:57] <BUGabundo> but I'll phone him and ask
[14:57] <BUGabundo> just to be sure
[15:22] <tretle> anyone any idea why the latest stable version of anjuta isnt in jaunty yet?
[15:26] <amikrop> Why ipod-convenience has amarok and gtkpod as dependancies? I really think it shouldn't.
[15:40] <cwillu> how big is main + restricted + universe + multiverse these days?
[15:41] <cwillu> thinking about running a scan for packages with /etc/init.d/ files that would have to be updated for a move to native upstart events
[16:10] <El_Presidente> i try to copy some files from my dvd to hd
[16:10] <El_Presidente> but i cant copy them because it says permission denied
[16:11] <El_Presidente> just an example: cp: „Installer.exe“ kann nicht zum Lesen geöffnet werden: Permission denied
[16:11] <El_Presidente> thats the dvd roms fstab entry
[16:11] <El_Presidente> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,unhide,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[16:11] <ikonia> El_Presidente: what version of ubuntu ?
[16:11] <El_Presidente> 9.04
[16:12] <ikonia> El_Presidente: what is the exact command you're using
[16:12] <El_Presidente> cp * /home/martin/Desktop/test/
[16:12] <ikonia> El_Presidente: cp -R * /home/martin/Desktop/test
[16:13] <ikonia> El_Presidente: I assume you are the user "martin"
[16:13] <El_Presidente> yes
[16:13] <ikonia> El_Presidente: and I assume "martin" has write access to /home/martin/Desktop/test
[16:13] <El_Presidente> yes i have
[16:13] <ikonia> El_Presidente: ls -la /home/martin/Desktop/test
[16:14] <El_Presidente> the files that i cant copy are "hidden" files
[16:14] <ikonia> El_Presidente: ls -la /home/martin/Desktop/test
[16:14] <El_Presidente> -rw-r--r-- 1 martin martin     48 2009-02-13 17:14 autorun.inf
[16:14] <El_Presidente> drwx------ 2 martin martin   4096 2009-02-13 17:14 DirectX
[16:14] <El_Presidente> -rw-r--r-- 1 martin martin 109638 2009-02-13 17:14 disc.ico
[16:14] <ikonia> El_Presidente: what is one of the files you can't do ?
[16:14] <El_Presidente> but the dvd is a bit bigger
[16:15] <El_Presidente> http://pastebin.com/m6792deda
[16:15] <ikonia> El_Presidente: look at the permissions on those files
[16:15] <ikonia> you have no read access
[16:15] <ikonia> that's why
[16:15] <El_Presidente> but why?
[16:16] <ikonia> because you don't have a uid 501
[16:16] <El_Presidente> bug in 9.04 ?
[16:16] <ikonia> El_Presidente: no, user error
[16:16] <El_Presidente> well what did i do wrong?
[16:17] <ikonia> El_Presidente: your uid is not 501, and the group dialout (don't know if your in that group) does not have read access
[16:17] <ikonia> El_Presidente: so you correctly don't have any access to those files
[16:17] <El_Presidente> but why is it 501 and dialout ?
[16:17] <ikonia> El_Presidente: permissions you set a burn time, or those are the correct uid/guid on the PC you burnt the cd rom on
[16:18] <El_Presidente> its a game dvd i bought
[16:18] <ikonia> El_Presidente: ok - to the permissions on the machien they burnt it on
[16:18] <El_Presidente> hmm
[16:19] <ikonia> I strongly advise you to not mess around with 9.04 if your expecting things to "work", if you can't solve basic permissions errors, your going to have a world of pain
[16:20] <El_Presidente> i consider this a bug if i cant open a dvd
[16:20] <El_Presidente> with standard settings
[16:20] <ikonia> it's not a bug
[16:20] <ikonia> it's your user error
[16:22] <skyjumper> AD7six: not sure i understand how "$keys = $this->data[$this->alias];" is telling you about the data being passed to save()?
[16:22] <skyjumper> doh wrong channel
[16:22] <Ienorand> After latest update jaunty is autostarting an infinite number of file managers on startup, wtf?
[16:22] <ikonia> Ienorand: please be careful with WTF
[16:22] <ikonia> Ienorand: sounds like an unusual problem though
[16:23] <El_Presidente> ikonia, if i mount a different cd it displays root:root
[16:23] <El_Presidente> as it should
[16:23] <ikonia> El_Presidente: so ?
[16:24] <ikonia> El_Presidente: some CD modes force permissions
[16:24] <El_Presidente> how do i override it?
[16:24] <Ienorand> ikonia: sorry, thought it was somewhat motivated though... any ideas where I should start looking?
[16:24] <ikonia> Ienorand: well, I've not seen that, or heard of that until you just said it
[16:24] <ikonia> Ienorand: what happens if you launch the file manager from the command line
[16:25] <ikonia> El_Presidente: you don't - hence the word "force permissions"
[16:25] <ikonia> El_Presidente: you'd need to copy the files as root
[16:25] <El_Presidente> okay
[16:25] <El_Presidente> and then do chown martin:martn .
[16:25] <ikonia> El_Presidente: it's not a bug though
[16:25] <El_Presidente> thats what i wanted to know
[16:25] <ikonia> El_Presidente: on your disk, yes chown it
[16:25] <El_Presidente> kk
[16:26] <El_Presidente> ty ikonia
[16:26] <ikonia> ok
[16:29] <Cruster> hey there, after alpha 4 upgrade kdebluetooth asks for trust whenever I try to pair my mouse (in Alpha 2 and 3 it was working fine...)
[16:29] <Ienorand> ikonia: I get: unique DBus warning: message did not recieve reply...etc, then suddenly all file manager "starters" seems to dissapear one by one, until "bottom-bar" is empty, AND, then it starts all over again trying to start the file manager (it doesn't actually manage to start it, it only shows the "starting..." message)...
[16:30] <ikonia> Ienorand: I'd log that as a bug straight away
[16:30] <ikonia> Ienorand: check dbus is running too
[16:30] <Ienorand> ikonia: and since I have no icons on the desktop, I'm assuming nautilus cant launch at all
[16:31] <Ienorand> ikonia: ok, how to check dbus?
[16:31] <ikonia> Ienorand: seems pretty sensible to assume that
[16:31] <ikonia> Ienorand: launch a terminal "ps -ef | grep dbus"
[16:33] <Ienorand> ikonia: seeing two dbus-daemon (system & fork), and one dbus-launch, running ok then I assume?
[16:33] <ikonia> Ienorand: looks that way
[16:33] <ikonia> Ienorand: interesting you've not got --system
[16:33] <ikonia> Ienorand: oh wait, you do
[16:33] <ikonia> sorry
[16:35] <duncan-nz> I need a tip for debugging. at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash i'm told to run 'gpg --check-sigs 428D7C01 # signed by key of Martin Pitt' to check his key. but i get '1 signature not checked due to a missing key' and can't load those repositories
[16:35] <duncan-nz> I think this means i'm not getting all the debugging symbols or something.
[16:36] <Ienorand> ikonia: Hmm, in checking apt I got a whole bunch of updates on the line (none for nautilus though...), gonna run through and see if that helps...
[16:36] <ikonia> Ienorand: good call
[16:37] <ikonia> duncan-nz: if you do gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key 428D7C01
[16:37] <ikonia> what happens ?
[16:37] <ikonia> duncan-nz: I assume this is on 9.04 ?
[16:39] <duncan-nz> ikonia, yes.
[16:39] <ikonia> duncan-nz: what happens with the key import
[16:39] <duncan-nz> it seems to work... one mo.
[16:40] <ikonia> duncan-nz: pastebin the output
[16:40] <ikonia> duncan-nz: just checked - keys not valid any more
[16:40] <duncan-nz> what does pastebin mean, just paste into this window?
[16:40] <duncan-nz> (I don't use irc much these days)
[16:40] <ikonia> duncan-nz: don't sweat, I've just checked it, the key doesn't look valid
[16:40] <duncan-nz> ikonia, ok
[16:41] <duncan-nz> who do we tell?
[16:41] <duncan-nz> Shall I write to Martin Pitt?
[16:41] <ikonia> duncan-nz: that seems a good idea
[16:41] <duncan-nz> ok, thanks.
[16:42] <ikonia> duncan-nz: well spotted
[16:43] <duncan-nz> ikonia, not really, it was just stopping me getting all the updates. it's been like that for weeks. odd that no-one has done anything yet.
[16:47] <Ienorand> ikonia: Hmm, upgrading changed the nature of the problem. Now it only happens for a while, window-list is spammed by nautilus starters for ~10s and then icons show up on desktop and nautilus works exactly as it should...
[16:48] <ikonia> Ienorand: no idea, not seen anyone mention anything like that
[16:48] <Ienorand> ikonia: Do you know where to find the dbus log?
[16:49] <Cruster> ikonia:can I use putty to remote desktop to a linux machine?
[16:49] <ikonia> Ienorand: /var/log/daemon.log
[16:49] <ikonia> Cruster: no - to ssh into a machine
[16:50] <Cruster> ikonia: what the x forwarding option in putty is supposed to offer?
[16:50] <ikonia> Cruster: it's to allow X11 forwarding over ssh
[16:50] <ikonia> Cruster: then you can launch X11 applications from your ssh session
[16:51] <Cruster> ikonia: are they gonna be drawn in the windows machine?
[16:51] <ikonia> Cruster: no
[16:51] <ikonia> Cruster: they will be drawn on your local X11 server - if you have one, if you don't have one they will fail to launch
[16:52] <Cruster> ikonia: thanks
[17:09] <Ienorand> Hmm, I can't find anything in the daemon log about the nautilus errors, (guessing they're errors of nautilus rather than dbus then), and I can't find any "~/nautilus-debug-log.txt" which is supposed to be genarated upon nautilus crash... Any idea where I could get some log info, is it possible to configure nautilus to always log everything?
[17:09] <ikonia> Ienorand: doesn't sound nautilus is the problem, just the symptom
[17:10] <humbolt> I know nobody loves this kind of questions, but as many distros feel significantly different in speed, I have to ask.
[17:10] <ikonia> please do'nt ask which is best
[17:10] <humbolt> ikonia: no, I am not asking at that level
[17:10] <ikonia> keep in mind /topic please
[17:11] <humbolt> Which compile time differences do you know of
[17:11] <ikonia> are you serious ?
[17:11] <ikonia> humbolt: thats nothing to do with ubuntu / jaunty
[17:11] <ikonia> the differences between distros can be none or huge
[17:13] <humbolt> ikonia: Which ones do you know of. Like Fedora generally compiles with no optimizations at all except for glibc, we do compile all our packages optimized for i686. Therefore the system will be slower on a i586 but feelable faster on i686
[17:13] <humbolt> Fedora and Ubuntu is enough of a comparison for me
[17:14] <ikonia> humbolt: this is nothing to do with jaunty so not really for this channel
[17:14] <humbolt> And compilation strategies probably don't change between releases, so this does concern jaunty as much as it does concern ibex
[17:14] <ikonia> i3ooi3oo: are the files executable ?
[17:14] <ikonia> oops
[17:14] <ikonia> sorry
[17:14] <ikonia> humbolt: no it doesn't what fedora/cetos/anyeone else does is nothing to do with jaunty
[17:16] <humbolt> ikonia: there is no place to discuss that stuff, really.
[17:16] <ikonia> ##linux
[17:16] <ikonia> be warned though, the options/patches vary from package to package so you'll need to be very specific
[17:16] <humbolt> ikonia: it does. It should. Watch your competitor.
[17:16] <ikonia> I do watch what others do
[17:17] <ikonia> I'm active in a few distributions, so I'm reasonably aware
[17:17] <humbolt> ikonia: Right, great, to learn from them as well as to not fall for the same traps as them.
[17:17] <ikonia> who said they are not learning from them
[17:17] <humbolt> ikonia: So why would you not share this knowledge.
[17:17] <ikonia> I just said this is not a place to discuss it
[17:17] <ikonia> I'm not - not sharing it
[17:18] <humbolt> ikonia: there is no. #ubuntu will tell me, fedora does not concern us. ##linux will tell me, this is about the kernel not about distros, ...
[17:19] <ikonia> you didn't ask about the kernel, you asked about the distro
[17:19] <ikonia> the distro is not the kernel
[17:19] <ikonia> and other distros kernel compile options do not effect jaunty
[17:19] <humbolt> ikonia: yes, I am aware of that.
[17:19] <ikonia> so please stop asking
[17:20] <Ienorand> humbolt: The guys over at phoronix.com (forum) should probably bee the ones to ask...
[17:20] <humbolt> forums suck
[17:39] <humbolt> as nothing seems to be happening in this channel currently, I am asking myself, why it would be so inappropriate to discuss the topic that I posed here. Wouldn't appear to me like this would interrupt any other important conversations going on currently.
[17:42] <l337ingDisorder> I know this is more an ubu-dev oriented channel but I'm gonna ask this here because I figure there's probably someone in here who knows about modding LiveCDs
[17:43] <humbolt> Or let me rephrase the question: What is the compile strategy for jaunty? Will all packages be optimized for i686?
[17:44] <l337ingDisorder> I'm trying to create a LiveCD that launches partimage on bootup instead of gnome. I've managed to create a LiveCD iso with partimage working on it, but there's no /home/ubuntu dir (and thus no .bashrc to modify). Can anyone explain how I can set an app to launch on startup of the LiveCD? (it doesn't HAVE to replace gnome, it could run on top in gnome-terminal)
[17:56] <crdlb> humbolt: afaik, it's all i386
[17:57] <crdlb> ubuntu might be using -mtune, but I don't think they are
[17:57] <humbolt> crdlb: But with optimizations, as I heard.
[17:58] <humbolt> right
[17:58] <crdlb> real optimisation comes from using SSE (or similar) with the few apps that implement it
[17:58] <crdlb> or by using amd64
[17:58] <humbolt> I notized that older versions of ubuntu (dapper) where running significantly faster on my old laptop than newer ones (crusoe).
[18:06] <maco> humbolt: yeah we know. performance went to hell after feisty
[18:07] <maco> a lot's to do with "more easy = more features = more code" probably
[18:09] <humbolt> maco: really, you know? Do you know the reason also?
[18:10] <humbolt> maco: Kernel?
[18:10] <maco> software in general
[18:10] <maco> the easier they try to make any software, the more code is needed. the more code is needed, the bigger the software is and the slower it runs
[18:11] <maco> they could certainly try to optimize the code
[18:11] <humbolt> maco: Generally, I have to state, that I had a more responsive system back in the 300Mhz PC times with -ck realtime  kernels, than I have now with 2 GHz!
[18:11] <maco> humbolt: the kernels were smaller, the software was smaller...
[18:11] <humbolt> maco: but there is no one kernel or compilation decision that made things slower?
[18:12] <maco> different schedulers get different performance for different use-cases...maybe changing it would help...
[18:12] <maco> but that's on an individual basis
[18:13] <maco> i know someone went through gnome-panel and found where things were happening in tight-loops that only needed to happen once or maybe only in the outer-loop, and they fixed those
[18:13] <maco> and im *sure* that exists in a lot of places
[18:14] <maco> there's got to be a lot of code that could be optimized for fewer cycles by fixing those sorts of things or realizing that something's happening O(n^3) and restructuring the algorithm to fix it
[18:14] <maco> and people who are very good at algorithms could go through and find those things and improve them
[18:15] <humbolt> Gnome is an nightmare anyways! Hope gtk will be buried soon, now that QT is LGPL.
[18:28] <joaopinto> humbolt, keep dreaming
[18:29] <humbolt> joaopinto: Wet dream, I know. Pride. Pride is just so damn stupid some times.
[18:32] <crdlb> is it conceivable that gtk might actually have some merit other than its license?
[18:36] <humbolt> crdlb: none that would actually hold up in an objective reasoning.
[18:36] <humbolt> crdlb: The performance is just soooo incredibly bad!
[18:37] <crdlb> resizing sucks, yes, but gtk will soon stop using subwindows, which will help there
[18:37] <humbolt> crdlb: That it might me nicer to code with or the such, can hardly compensate that.
[18:37] <humbolt> To many or those shortcomings in there
[18:38] <humbolt> just compare simple things, like the gnome to the kde file manager
[18:38] <ali1234> the gnome one is much better, so what?
[18:38] <crdlb> subjectively, I find gtk+ looks much better than qt
[18:38] <ali1234> just look at the kde start menu - a complete mess
[18:38] <crdlb> I'm sure you disagree, but that's the point; it's an opinion
[18:39] <humbolt> It takes ages to display a directory structure in nautilus compared to konqueror.
[18:39] <ali1234> qt font rendering is a joke
[18:39] <humbolt> even freaking windows in a VMware VM does a better job
[18:39] <ali1234> i could go on about this for several hours
[18:39] <ali1234> qt and gtk both have their problems
[18:39] <humbolt> sure
[18:40] <maco> crdlb: um, resizing on kde currently sucks too, doesn't it? the whole "omg the screen artifacts are eating me" thing jaunty kubuntu users keep complaining about?
[18:40] <humbolt> it is just, if you take all them together it always turns out that kde is both faster and more memory efficient
[18:40] <humbolt> maco: right, that sucks!
[18:40] <maco> crdlb: qt3 or 4?
[18:40] <ali1234> but kde has a worse users experience
[18:40] <maco> i agree, qt3 is UGLY
[18:41] <maco> i refused to use KDE because of that for years
[18:41] <maco> kde 4.2 is pretty though
[18:41] <crdlb> both, although qt3 is definitely worse
[18:41] <humbolt> ali1234: true, but this has nothing to do with frameworks again
[18:41] <ali1234> who cares if your desktop uses 1mb less ram and loads 2 seconds faster, if it doesn't actually do the things you want?
[18:41] <maco> ali1234: but yes, kde4 is currently only half-there
[18:41] <maco> gnome has *much* better integration
[18:41] <humbolt> ali1234: no no no, it is not about that. in use gnome is slower!
[18:41] <crdlb> maco: is that resizing issuse caused by Qt or by compositing?
[18:42] <humbolt> just compare nautilus and dolphin or what it is called in kde
[18:42] <maco> crdlb: not sure. i have a ton of artifacts, but i dont resize windows...just maximize them all. and im not using compositing
[18:42] <maco> humbolt: er...nautilus is faster than dolphin
[18:42] <maco> dolphin has a freaking loading bar
[18:42] <humbolt> crdlb: see that without compositing enabled also
[18:43] <humbolt> maco: then something is wrong with my system. which can't really be the case on a vanilla install.
[18:43] <ali1234> well how about the fact that in general gnome apps make better use of screen space than kde ones?
[18:44] <humbolt> maco: On my older ubuntu install it is even worth - horrible to be exact
[18:44] <humbolt> ali1234: again, you are talking about frontends not frameworks
[18:45] <ali1234> well yeah, because i am a pragmatist
[18:45] <maco> ive got gnome and kde on the same system, and dolphin makes me wait around
[18:45] <humbolt> I say, gnome UI is mostly better because simpler. But they might consider using qt instead of gtk.
[18:45] <ali1234> to me there is nothing to chose between qt and gtk, i can only tell the difference because of the way gnome and kde apps are designed
[18:45] <humbolt> maco: really, hmm
[18:46] <maco> at least it feels like it does
[18:46] <humbolt> ali1234: In my opinion KDE should have spent those two years to optimize their usability not add yet more bling
[18:46] <ali1234> what is the killer app for qt?
[18:46] <maco> could partially be because i always feel like im waiting for it to load the image thumbnails...because the stupid thing doesnt do thumbnails
[18:46] <ali1234> gtk has gimp and inkscape
[18:46] <maco> humbolt: um, they were optimizing usability
[18:46] <maco> humbolt: kde4 started with a TON of usability testing
[18:46] <humbolt> I don't need all the compositing bullshit. But I would like KDE to have a useful file association interface.
[18:47] <maco> most of the apps were rewritten to new usability standards
[18:47] <humbolt> maco: Then they are plain stupid
[18:47] <maco> ali1234: skype is Qt3
[18:48] <humbolt> maco: The start menu, horrible (except for the search input field). The back button thing is simply to small and is overlooked also.
[18:48] <humbolt> and the rest is, lets be Vista and MacOSX bullshit
[18:49] <humbolt> If I could, I'd stick with KDE3
[18:49] <maco> humbolt: what?>!
[18:49] <maco> the kmenu is WONDERFUL in kde3
[18:49] <maco> *kde4
[18:49] <maco> the old one sucked
[18:49] <maco> it was like the old gnome menu where there's not enough division and all the targets are too small
[18:49] <maco> and it wont go off the screen like gnome's preferences menu does ><
[18:49] <humbolt> maco: not responsive, there is some delay built in, when switching the menu context, ...
[18:51] <Alexia_Death> there seems to be an animation, yes
[18:51] <Alexia_Death> but If you bitch about it enough, perhaps devs add an option to turn it off.
[18:51] <Alexia_Death> What I like is the search. The heck I need to surf the menu, if I want something specific.
[18:51] <humbolt> Alexia_Death: I'll do that
[18:52] <maco> Alexia_Death: theres no animation if you turn off compositing
[18:52] <ali1234> it's so over-complicated that pretty soon they'll need to put a start menu on the start menu (so you can start while you start)
[18:52] <maco> its not a start menu. what is this? windows. ><
[18:52] <Alexia_Death> maco: My compositing is off now. the animation is still there.
[18:52] <maco> i dont see any animation
[18:52] <humbolt> The whole, let's get rid of the icons on a desktop idea, I am not very comfortable with that either
[18:52] <maco> sure it's not just an eye-trick?
[18:53] <maco> i always try to keep my desktop empty
[18:53] <ali1234> putting the desktop icons in a little windows... reminds me of windows 3.1
[18:54] <Alexia_Death> humbolt: I like it. Never like the stuff piled on my desktop.
[18:54]  * Alexia_Death uses her desktop as a custom button area instead on the panel.
[18:54] <humbolt> all I am complaining about in the kde menu is this back arrow
[18:54] <humbolt> the sensitive area is just to narrow
[18:55] <Alexia_Death> humbolt: besides, you can set it upp as it used to be, with icons now
[18:55] <Alexia_Death> Is sthe compostiting bug fixed in Xorgs now?
[18:55] <Alexia_Death> Can I upgrade?
[18:55] <humbolt> just want the arrow to be wider
[18:55] <humbolt> and the animation to be instantanously
[18:55] <Alexia_Death> Complain
[18:56] <Alexia_Death> what I don like about kde is is that kwin STILL does not handle gimps utility windows right.
[18:59] <maco> Alexia_Death: what is "right"?
[18:59] <maco> im not sure how these are supposed to work
[18:59] <Alexia_Death> maco: like they dp in gnome
[19:00] <Alexia_Death> not registering in the taskbar and always above the active window
[19:00] <oCean_> My Fn key combination for 'sunup/sundown' (backlight control) does not work. Or, it does, but it's only darkest or brightest, nothing in between. The slider from the brightness applet works..
[19:00] <Alexia_Death> minimizing with the last window
[19:01] <maco> Alexia_Death: er you mean "like they do with metacity" then, right?
[19:01] <maco> because i dont think compiz does that
[19:02] <Alexia_Death> compiz is supposed to do that do now.
[19:02] <Alexia_Death> I hear
[19:02] <Alexia_Death> But yes, as metacity is more correct.
[19:02] <maco> i dont use a window list in my panel, so i never noticed that
[19:03] <maco> the staying-on-top part was all that i had trouble with
[19:03] <maco> i also dont minimize things
[19:03] <maco> now, if the utility windows and gimp stayed together for alt+tab, thatd be nice
[19:04] <maco> i *think* they show as separate windows in alt+tab
[19:04] <maco> its been a while though
[19:07] <Alexia_Death> maco: how do you do it without window list?
[19:07] <Alexia_Death> I always have one, At least 3 rows:D
[19:08] <Alexia_Death> when kde 4.1 didnt let me have multiline I was REALLY annoyed:P
[19:08] <custombrush> i use the avant window navigator
[19:08] <maco> alt+tab
[19:10] <Alexia_Death> That list is such a bother to navigate.
[19:10] <Alexia_Death> when all thats needed is one click
[19:11] <Alexia_Death> That list is usually more than 10 entries for me.
[19:12] <maco> i only have it list what's on the current desktop
[19:12] <maco> 3 of my desktops usually have 1 window each
[19:13] <maco> it's only the one that holds pidgin that has multiple windows. and i try not to let them overlap
[19:13] <maco> i *really* wish a window manager existed that had the scale/exposé feature AND did tiling
[19:30] <crdlb> what's the point of scale if your windows are already tiled? :)
[19:34] <maco> crdlb: multiple workspaces
[19:35] <crdlb> so you really just need expo :)
[19:35] <maco> crdlb: compiz calls exposé "scale"
[19:35] <maco> i put a few windows on each desktop so they're still big enough to use. i might want to view all windows on all workspaces though
[19:35] <crdlb> expo, not exposé
[19:35] <crdlb> (I'd love to know who chose that name ...)
[19:36] <maco> heh
[19:40] <unixdawg> ok latest upgrade now I dont have audio
[19:42] <unixdawg> anyone else have this issue with current updates
[19:42] <unixdawg> kubuntu jaunty
[19:58] <unixdawg> 3 reboots and sound came back
[20:58]  * tretle likes the new fading effect when changing wallpapers
 hi, I tried to install ubuntu 9.04 alpha and I noticed that ubuntu starts ntfsresize automatically and I hear that the hd is working for minutes
[21:00] <kkuno> after the keyboard screen
[21:00] <kkuno> I rebooted then
[21:00] <kkuno> I don't want the ntfs disk to be touched :D
[21:00] <kkuno> is it correct?
[21:13] <bhaka> hi, is 9.04 usable as a desktop?
[21:14] <charlie-tca> !topic
[21:15] <charlie-tca> Note the part that says "will break"
[21:15] <charlie-tca> It is usable if you can live with broken at times
[21:17] <bhaka> ill try it, thx
[22:00] <ronny> yo
[22:16] <Magellan> Wow, alot of people in here as well... Hello people!
[22:16] <charlie-tca> hello
[22:16] <Magellan> Why logged channel ?
[22:17] <Magellan> Maybe thats why we upstreamers didnt like
[22:17] <Magellan> .
[22:17] <Magellan> Remove the logdrone!
[22:17] <cwillu> eh?
[22:17] <Magellan> -ChanServ- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken! - This channel is officially logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[22:17] <Magellan> That.
[22:18] <cwillu> and?  this is a development channel.
[22:18] <Magellan> Where do you think you are ?
[22:18] <cwillu> #ubuntu+1?
[22:19] <Magellan> A development channel
[22:19] <Magellan> I take it ?
[22:19] <Magellan> Is there a plus 3 ?
[22:20] <maxb> Loggers are useful. Nothing that is on topic here is inappropriate to log.
[22:20] <Magellan> So, mr/mrs ? ... what do you feel is an appropriate discussion here ?
[22:20] <maxb> !topic
[22:22] <Magellan> I see, i take kindly upon your hospitality. I have spent half my life coding GNU/Linux software. You give me some faul bots in return ? :=)
[22:23] <hggdh> Magellan, all official Ubuntu channels are logged
[22:24] <Magellan> maxb: do you feel they are useful or useful only for your purposes, IE: "Like when you call support" "Damtaaadidamdaaam... NanahNaaahNa..." :=) (Beginning of foowars 2042)
[22:24] <hggdh> ?
[22:24]  * maxb is baffled
[22:24] <bazhang> Magellan, please take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:25] <Magellan> hggdh: Like you did in the debian channels ?
[22:25] <bazhang> Magellan, this is NOT a chat channel
[22:25] <hggdh> ??
[22:25] <Magellan> hggdh: how old are you ?
[22:25] <Magellan> same to bazhang
[22:25] <Magellan> ...
[22:25] <bazhang> Magellan, please stop
[22:25] <hggdh> !ops
[22:26] <bazhang> Magellan, this is a development channel not a chat channel
[22:26] <Magellan> !SpaceFarers: Reccommended Treatment `Brain Adjustment` Over and out...
[22:26] <bazhang> Magellan, please take chat elsewhere
[22:27]  * mneptok growls menacingly
[22:27] <Magellan> so, theres no way a gurua can chat is there ?
[22:27] <nickrud> Magellan, there are many #ubuntu channels, and we enforce them. try #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:27] <maxb> Magellan: This is a channel for chat ABOUT Jaunty Jackalope ONLY
[22:27] <mneptok> Magellan: patently untrue. i'm speaking. sure you're a guru?
[22:27]  * nickrud pats mneptok on the muzzle, reassuringly
[22:27] <maxb> There are other channels for less focussed chat
[22:28] <Magellan> good night sthlm, i feel inclined to say hi :=)
[22:29] <Magellan> mneptok: 1996-2009 and still going strong... Outputting 10 new programs per year
[22:29] <tux_> anyone using alpha4? whats it like
[22:29] <Magellan> Of great use at that i believe
[22:29] <mneptok> Magellan: maybe you should do that, then. you know, instead of offtopic banter on IRC.
[22:29] <mneptok> *shrug*
[22:30] <Magellan> tux_: Im gonna test that on a fujitsu amilo (crap) ... because nothing else will work because its using shared irq ranges
[22:30] <mneptok> Magellan: these are my "gentle" hints. i recommend you take them.
[22:30] <ali1234> if i want ext4 do i have to do a manual install?
[22:30] <Magellan> mneptok: Go clay
[22:30] <mneptok> Magellan: excuse me?
[22:30] <Magellan> be as hay, smooth with the lady
[22:31]  * nickrud moves his hand away, slowly7
[22:31] <Magellan> or something, youre way not in the stack
[22:31] <cwillu> ali1234, you can convert in place, although you don't get all the benefits (mainly, existing files won't be using extents)
[22:31] <hggdh> thanks, mneptok
[22:31] <ali1234> cwillu: i'm doing a fresh install, i want to see if the performance is better
[22:31] <charlie-tca> tux_: yes, many are using jaunty
[22:31]  * mneptok bows
[22:31]  * nickrud checks that all the fingers are still there
[22:32] <mneptok> give 'em enough rope, and most trolls can't resist tying their own noose.
[22:32]  * hggdh bows back
[22:32] <tux_> anyone running a MSI wind or medion akoya with alpha4 ?
[22:33] <maco> did he really just say something about hay being smooth with the ladies? cuz ya know, ive never had hay try to flirt with me, let along get a date with me
[22:33] <hggdh> LOL
[22:34] <cwillu> tux_, jaunty isn't production ready.  Even if everything works today, stuff may break tomorrow, badly.  If you have to ask whether a particular piece of hardware works (rather than just trying it, posting bugs/patches for the things that don't work, etc), then jaunty may not be the best choice for now
[22:34] <mneptok> maco: separate my wheat from chaff, BABY!
[22:35] <mneptok> *sigh*
[22:35] <cwillu> tux_, feel free to try it and post bugs for anything that doesn't work, but I don't think you're going to find any guarantees :p
[22:35] <hggdh> on the other hand, if you tried a MSI wind ot medion akoya (and I have no idea of what they are) and its not working, a bug would be warranted
[22:36] <tux_> when i get some time i'll try alpha 4
[22:36] <tux_> i have to book off usb disk and i need to back data up first just in case
[22:36] <tux_> s/book/boot
[22:36] <ali1234> import accounts from my old ubuntu install? i'm gonna format it and i have 12gb of files in the old partition, so how is that gonna work?
[22:47] <maxb> ali1234: I think the short answer is "It's not". You can't import data from an installation you're overwriting with the new installation you're doing.
[22:48] <ali1234> i figured, so i didn't select it. already backed it all up anyway
[22:49] <maxb> This is an excellent reason to have /home on a different partition :-)
[22:49] <maxb> (If you're the kind of person who likes to play with fresh installs often)
[22:50] <ali1234> i dont really like to do fresh installs, i just wanted to try ext4
[22:50] <ali1234> and whenever i do multiple partitions, i always run out of space on one or the other
[22:51] <cwillu> maxb, jaunty is supposed to detect old installs properly now
[22:51] <cwillu> haven't tried it myself yet though
[22:52] <maxb> I mean, it's physically impossible to import data from one install to another if the new one is overwriting the old partition
[22:52] <ali1234> cwillu: it detected an install on the partition that was about to getformatted, and where /home contained more files than could possibly fit in ram
[23:15] <napsy> Hello. I'm using a 64-bit system and I want to ask if it's normal that valgrinds reports some strange ld.so unconditional jump errors when valgrinding my program?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Feb 13 22:48:07 blubug kernel: [  341.031667] WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.28/drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c:326 serial_write_room+0x81/0x90()
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Feb 13 22:48:07 blubug kernel: [  341.031670] Modules linked in: binfmt_misc acpi_cpufreq input_polldev xfs coretemp sbp2 ppdev parport_pc lp parport joydev snd_hda_intel snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_seq_dummy arc4 snd_seq_oss ecb snd_seq_midi snd_rawmidi snd_seq_midi_event gl860 psmouse serio_raw sdhci_pci sdhci compat_ioctl32 videodev v4l1_compat snd_seq btusb iwlagn iwlcore lbm_cw_mac80211 snd_timer snd_seq_device snd pcspkr lbm_cw_cfg802
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Feb 13 22:48:07 blubug kernel: [  341.031727] Pid: 0, comm: swapper Tainted: P        W  2.6.28-7-generic #20-Ubuntu
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Feb 13 22:48:07 blubug kernel: [  341.031729] Call Trace:
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Feb 13 22:48:07 blubug kernel: [  341.031731]  <IRQ>  [<ffffffff8024d8ef>] warn_on_slowpath+0x5f/0x90
[23:19] <BUGabundo> does anyone have anything like this on syslog?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> I'm on 64-bit Xubuntu, no warnings in syslog
[23:26] <maxb> That looks familiar...... certain versions of ath5k
[23:26] <BUGabundo> no ath here
[23:27] <BUGabundo> filed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/329254
[23:31] <tretle> cimi
[23:45] <mneptok> !paste > BUGabundo1
[23:46] <BUGabundo1> mneptok: yeah I know it... I use pastebinit a lot too
[23:46] <BUGabundo1> sorry for the flood
[23:47] <BUGabundo1> but it's a bit more attention graber then a pastebin link, isn't it?
[23:47] <BUGabundo1> I'll refraim from doing it
[23:47] <mneptok> thank you