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dholbachHEYA!12:06
dholbachsorry for being ... a bit late :)12:06
* dholbach hugs y'all12:06
dholbachthanks bac for reminding me12:06
dholbachwho's here for some bug jam loving?12:06
bacme12:06
* pedro_ waves12:06
dholbachhey pedro_12:07
dholbachI just pinged the folks in #ubuntu-locoteams12:07
dholbachlet's wait another 2-3 minutes12:07
dholbachhi somaunn12:07
dholbachhiya mnemo12:07
mnemohowdy :)12:08
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dholbachalrighty... shall we start with a quick round of introductions?12:08
dholbachwho's who and which loco are you from?12:09
* dholbach is Daniel Holbach and from the Berlin team, Germany12:09
* bac is brad crittenden from the North Carolina, US loco12:10
* pedro_ is Pedro Villavicencio from the Chilean LoCo team12:10
dholbachhiya _marx_12:10
* Rafik is Rafik Ouerchefani, from Tunisia.12:10
dholbachcome on guys... don't be shy :)12:11
* _marx_ Mark Cox US-NC team12:11
mnemomartin olsson from gothenburg, sweden originally.. living in copenhagen though..12:12
* _marx_ has to go to work so I'm logging this session12:12
dholbachhiya barcc_12:12
dholbachalrighty...12:12
* _marx_ is away: at work12:12
dholbachhow far have you guys got with organising your global bug jam session?12:12
dholbachfortunately in Berlin we have a venue we can use for this kind of events, we just need to still pick a day (saturday or sunday) and announce it properly12:14
dholbachhow are you guys doing?12:14
bacwe've got an excellent venue and about 8-10 people coming12:15
bacall first timers, including me12:15
dholbachbac: wow, nice - did you have any trouble organising it?12:15
bacno.  we have a local for-profit "co-working" site that let's sprint, etc use the space.  large conference room, projector, free wifi, lots of power outlets.  it rocks.12:16
dholbachhi emmajane12:16
dholbachbac: cool - how did you go about announcing it and reaching out?12:17
emmajanedholbach, hello :)12:17
bacso far just on the mailing list and IRC chats12:17
dholbachcool12:18
dholbachI was interested because I know that in the past a few teams have talked to LUGs in the area or even put up posters in book shops12:18
dholbachhow about everybody else?12:19
dholbachdoes anybody have questions already?12:20
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam#Material has a good bunch of material about how to run bug jams, but I realise that it might not be "everything" :)12:21
dholbachso... ask :)12:21
bacdholbach: how about if you start at the beginning.  what should be the goal for a loco group bugjam?12:22
* bac hasn't read through the materials yet. sorry.12:23
dholbachright12:23
dholbachthe goal for the bug jam should only be: bring people together and have fun working directly on Ubuntu12:23
dholbacheven if you guys don't get to "fixing bugs" a few clever questions or reassigning some bugs is a good start12:24
dholbachif you have a lot of fun together, even better12:24
dholbachthere's always a few things you need to organise: a venue, have a good announcement and preparing the session itself12:24
dholbachif you can't find a venue and you're just a few people, you can even do it at your house, just ask everybody to bring a few snacks :-)12:25
dholbachpedro_: want to talk a bit about how we can help newcomers to have a good start with bug triage?12:26
pedro_sure12:26
pedro_one of the issues that we have encounter here while organizing the bug jams12:27
pedro_is that new triagers doesn't really know where to start12:27
pedro_ok we have launchpad accounts, bugs, internet connection, etc so where to next?12:28
pedro_what you can do first is a little talk about bug status12:29
pedro_what triaged means, what's the difference between fix released and fix committed, etc12:30
pedro_you're probably going to have a few questions regarding that12:30
dholbachther material section I talked about earlier has a presentation in English (and Spanish) that can help you with that12:30
pedro_and it's pretty important to get to know those things before doing any change on the reports ;-)12:31
dholbachhehe :)12:31
pedro_yes there's a pretty good presentation about it, so please review it and if you have comments from the audience take some notes and then add them as a feedback to the page12:31
pedro_or send them to us12:31
dholbachone point that's really important about it is: try to make it all about people doing good work together and actually themselves trying to learn the ropes12:32
dholbachit might be boring to stand 3-5 hours in front of an audience who is expecting a demo / talk, etc.12:32
dholbachit help if you prepared a list of bugs you want the team to look at or something12:32
dholbachand let them try12:32
dholbachso move away from the front of the audience early :)12:33
pedro_yes yes12:33
pedro_well regarding targets what'd i suggest for start doing some triage is start with the bugs without a package12:34
pedro_trust me we have *quite* a lot of that12:34
dholbachhehe12:34
dholbachdo we have any questions about that already?12:34
pedro_from where do you get the list of those bugs? :-)12:35
pedro_at the GBJ page there's a list of easy tasks if you go there you'll see at the top of the list the one for the bugs without a package with even an example12:37
dholbachRafik, pedro_, bac, _marx_: do you have any tips you can share?12:37
pedro_well here what we do is create bug lists (with bugnumbers) for people to work on based on the ones from the easy tasks page12:39
pedro_and we work on them like announcing the bug number in which you're working on so other people can skip that one12:39
pedro_that works fine for us at least12:40
Rafik[Question] if we don't have a really experienced person in the team, where to ask for help if we unsure about something ? (#ubuntu-bugs, find a mentor on videoconf, ..)12:40
dholbach#ubuntu-bugs is definitely a good answer there12:41
dholbachif you can help people to ask their own questions in the bigger team you help them a lot already12:42
dholbachany other questions=?12:43
baci have a question from reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs about package organization in LP12:44
bacit says each package in ubuntu has a bugs page in LP12:45
bacbut, looking for bugs for 'initscript' for a friend, i see it doesn't exist.12:45
bacer, 'initscripts', i mean12:46
pedro_isn't that sysvinit ?12:46
bacpedro, yes, but the package name, as shown by dpkg, is initscripts.  so is there not a 1:1 matching?12:47
sorenbac: All *source* packages have a bug page. Each source package might generate multiple (differently named) binary packages.12:47
bacsoren: ah, right.  thanks12:47
sorensysvinit, for instance, generates all of these: sysvinit, sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts, sysvutils12:48
bacsoren: and how does one find the source package for a given binary package?12:48
sorenbac: "apt-cache show initscripts" shows info about the binary package.12:49
bacexcellent12:49
sorenAmong other things, it has a "Source: " field.12:49
sorenThat's what you want.12:49
bacdholbach: i think the materials on the wiki are very thorough and will be a great primer for our loco to do our first bug jam.12:50
dholbachsuper12:51
dholbachmaybe you can ask the guys if they have interest in doing another one12:51
dholbachI'm going to write up my experiences with the regular bug jams in berlin later today and send it to loco-contacts12:51
dholbachdo we have any open questions? everybody clear on how to proceed?12:53
dholbacheverybody added themselves and their teams to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam ?12:53
dholbachall friends invited?12:53
dholbachpoked a few people from other locos already? :)12:53
bacdholbach: how often does the berlin loco do bugjams?  what kind of turnout do you have?12:54
dholbachbac: every two weeks12:54
dholbachit's very different every time :)12:54
dholbachwe had events with 15 people, we have jams with 412:54
dholbachwe sometimes had really new people who had never heard of launchpad before12:55
dholbachwe sometimes even manage to patch packages12:55
dholbachI promise to write up my experiences later today :)12:55
dholbachthe most important thing is really making only very little about giving talks12:55
bacdholbach: how long do you generally meet?12:56
dholbach~3h12:57
dholbachsome people wanted to extend it and we're thinking about it12:57
bacthanks for the chat dholbach and pedro_.  it was helpful.12:58
dholbachgreat :)12:59
dholbachI so look forward to Global Bug Jam12:59
dholbachit's going ot be great12:59
dholbachRafik: do you have everything planned yourself already?12:59
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pedro_yeah can't wait ;-)12:59
Rafikdholbach> I tried to talk to friends and people around here. Many are very interested but don't know what bug triage is. I hope that this first experience will a least let the people know about how it works13:02
dholbachRafik: sounds good - so you have everything set up already?13:02
RafikI hope so. There is also a talk about having some people from others cities over internet13:03
pleia2Rafik: that's not a bad idea :) I think I'll suggest that here too13:04
dholbachnice13:05
RafikThere is also an idea : If we ensure a good number of attendees, we'll maybe ask in #ubuntu-bugs if someone with more experience could assist us13:07
dholbachsure... do ask!13:07
dholbachshall we continue in #ubuntu-locoteams?13:07
Rafikok13:08
dholbachthanks everybody!13:09
pedro_thanks you13:09
Rafikthank you13:10
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YoBoYhi, i missed the classroom :( (again)14:06
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jcastro15 minutes warning!23:44
nhandlerI'm ready23:47
jacobwhat a great way to start the UNIX new year: bugjam! :P23:51
jcastroHappy 1234567890 everyone!23:58
jcastrowe'll give it a few more minutes just in case people are running late23:58

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