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| dholbach | HEYA! | 12:06 |
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| dholbach | sorry for being ... a bit late :) | 12:06 |
| * dholbach hugs y'all | 12:06 | |
| dholbach | thanks bac for reminding me | 12:06 |
| dholbach | who's here for some bug jam loving? | 12:06 |
| bac | me | 12:06 |
| * pedro_ waves | 12:06 | |
| dholbach | hey pedro_ | 12:07 |
| dholbach | I just pinged the folks in #ubuntu-locoteams | 12:07 |
| dholbach | let's wait another 2-3 minutes | 12:07 |
| dholbach | hi somaunn | 12:07 |
| dholbach | hiya mnemo | 12:07 |
| mnemo | howdy :) | 12:08 |
| * Rafik_ is here | 12:08 | |
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| dholbach | alrighty... shall we start with a quick round of introductions? | 12:08 |
| dholbach | who's who and which loco are you from? | 12:09 |
| * dholbach is Daniel Holbach and from the Berlin team, Germany | 12:09 | |
| * bac is brad crittenden from the North Carolina, US loco | 12:10 | |
| * pedro_ is Pedro Villavicencio from the Chilean LoCo team | 12:10 | |
| dholbach | hiya _marx_ | 12:10 |
| * Rafik is Rafik Ouerchefani, from Tunisia. | 12:10 | |
| dholbach | come on guys... don't be shy :) | 12:11 |
| * _marx_ Mark Cox US-NC team | 12:11 | |
| mnemo | martin olsson from gothenburg, sweden originally.. living in copenhagen though.. | 12:12 |
| * _marx_ has to go to work so I'm logging this session | 12:12 | |
| dholbach | hiya barcc_ | 12:12 |
| dholbach | alrighty... | 12:12 |
| * _marx_ is away: at work | 12:12 | |
| dholbach | how far have you guys got with organising your global bug jam session? | 12:12 |
| dholbach | fortunately in Berlin we have a venue we can use for this kind of events, we just need to still pick a day (saturday or sunday) and announce it properly | 12:14 |
| dholbach | how are you guys doing? | 12:14 |
| bac | we've got an excellent venue and about 8-10 people coming | 12:15 |
| bac | all first timers, including me | 12:15 |
| dholbach | bac: wow, nice - did you have any trouble organising it? | 12:15 |
| bac | no. we have a local for-profit "co-working" site that let's sprint, etc use the space. large conference room, projector, free wifi, lots of power outlets. it rocks. | 12:16 |
| dholbach | hi emmajane | 12:16 |
| dholbach | bac: cool - how did you go about announcing it and reaching out? | 12:17 |
| emmajane | dholbach, hello :) | 12:17 |
| bac | so far just on the mailing list and IRC chats | 12:17 |
| dholbach | cool | 12:18 |
| dholbach | I was interested because I know that in the past a few teams have talked to LUGs in the area or even put up posters in book shops | 12:18 |
| dholbach | how about everybody else? | 12:19 |
| dholbach | does anybody have questions already? | 12:20 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam#Material has a good bunch of material about how to run bug jams, but I realise that it might not be "everything" :) | 12:21 |
| dholbach | so... ask :) | 12:21 |
| bac | dholbach: how about if you start at the beginning. what should be the goal for a loco group bugjam? | 12:22 |
| * bac hasn't read through the materials yet. sorry. | 12:23 | |
| dholbach | right | 12:23 |
| dholbach | the goal for the bug jam should only be: bring people together and have fun working directly on Ubuntu | 12:23 |
| dholbach | even if you guys don't get to "fixing bugs" a few clever questions or reassigning some bugs is a good start | 12:24 |
| dholbach | if you have a lot of fun together, even better | 12:24 |
| dholbach | there's always a few things you need to organise: a venue, have a good announcement and preparing the session itself | 12:24 |
| dholbach | if you can't find a venue and you're just a few people, you can even do it at your house, just ask everybody to bring a few snacks :-) | 12:25 |
| dholbach | pedro_: want to talk a bit about how we can help newcomers to have a good start with bug triage? | 12:26 |
| pedro_ | sure | 12:26 |
| pedro_ | one of the issues that we have encounter here while organizing the bug jams | 12:27 |
| pedro_ | is that new triagers doesn't really know where to start | 12:27 |
| pedro_ | ok we have launchpad accounts, bugs, internet connection, etc so where to next? | 12:28 |
| pedro_ | what you can do first is a little talk about bug status | 12:29 |
| pedro_ | what triaged means, what's the difference between fix released and fix committed, etc | 12:30 |
| pedro_ | you're probably going to have a few questions regarding that | 12:30 |
| dholbach | ther material section I talked about earlier has a presentation in English (and Spanish) that can help you with that | 12:30 |
| pedro_ | and it's pretty important to get to know those things before doing any change on the reports ;-) | 12:31 |
| dholbach | hehe :) | 12:31 |
| pedro_ | yes there's a pretty good presentation about it, so please review it and if you have comments from the audience take some notes and then add them as a feedback to the page | 12:31 |
| pedro_ | or send them to us | 12:31 |
| dholbach | one point that's really important about it is: try to make it all about people doing good work together and actually themselves trying to learn the ropes | 12:32 |
| dholbach | it might be boring to stand 3-5 hours in front of an audience who is expecting a demo / talk, etc. | 12:32 |
| dholbach | it help if you prepared a list of bugs you want the team to look at or something | 12:32 |
| dholbach | and let them try | 12:32 |
| dholbach | so move away from the front of the audience early :) | 12:33 |
| pedro_ | yes yes | 12:33 |
| pedro_ | well regarding targets what'd i suggest for start doing some triage is start with the bugs without a package | 12:34 |
| pedro_ | trust me we have *quite* a lot of that | 12:34 |
| dholbach | hehe | 12:34 |
| dholbach | do we have any questions about that already? | 12:34 |
| pedro_ | from where do you get the list of those bugs? :-) | 12:35 |
| pedro_ | at the GBJ page there's a list of easy tasks if you go there you'll see at the top of the list the one for the bugs without a package with even an example | 12:37 |
| dholbach | Rafik, pedro_, bac, _marx_: do you have any tips you can share? | 12:37 |
| pedro_ | well here what we do is create bug lists (with bugnumbers) for people to work on based on the ones from the easy tasks page | 12:39 |
| pedro_ | and we work on them like announcing the bug number in which you're working on so other people can skip that one | 12:39 |
| pedro_ | that works fine for us at least | 12:40 |
| Rafik | [Question] if we don't have a really experienced person in the team, where to ask for help if we unsure about something ? (#ubuntu-bugs, find a mentor on videoconf, ..) | 12:40 |
| dholbach | #ubuntu-bugs is definitely a good answer there | 12:41 |
| dholbach | if you can help people to ask their own questions in the bigger team you help them a lot already | 12:42 |
| dholbach | any other questions=? | 12:43 |
| bac | i have a question from reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs about package organization in LP | 12:44 |
| bac | it says each package in ubuntu has a bugs page in LP | 12:45 |
| bac | but, looking for bugs for 'initscript' for a friend, i see it doesn't exist. | 12:45 |
| bac | er, 'initscripts', i mean | 12:46 |
| pedro_ | isn't that sysvinit ? | 12:46 |
| bac | pedro, yes, but the package name, as shown by dpkg, is initscripts. so is there not a 1:1 matching? | 12:47 |
| soren | bac: All *source* packages have a bug page. Each source package might generate multiple (differently named) binary packages. | 12:47 |
| bac | soren: ah, right. thanks | 12:47 |
| soren | sysvinit, for instance, generates all of these: sysvinit, sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts, sysvutils | 12:48 |
| bac | soren: and how does one find the source package for a given binary package? | 12:48 |
| soren | bac: "apt-cache show initscripts" shows info about the binary package. | 12:49 |
| bac | excellent | 12:49 |
| soren | Among other things, it has a "Source: " field. | 12:49 |
| soren | That's what you want. | 12:49 |
| bac | dholbach: i think the materials on the wiki are very thorough and will be a great primer for our loco to do our first bug jam. | 12:50 |
| dholbach | super | 12:51 |
| dholbach | maybe you can ask the guys if they have interest in doing another one | 12:51 |
| dholbach | I'm going to write up my experiences with the regular bug jams in berlin later today and send it to loco-contacts | 12:51 |
| dholbach | do we have any open questions? everybody clear on how to proceed? | 12:53 |
| dholbach | everybody added themselves and their teams to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam ? | 12:53 |
| dholbach | all friends invited? | 12:53 |
| dholbach | poked a few people from other locos already? :) | 12:53 |
| bac | dholbach: how often does the berlin loco do bugjams? what kind of turnout do you have? | 12:54 |
| dholbach | bac: every two weeks | 12:54 |
| dholbach | it's very different every time :) | 12:54 |
| dholbach | we had events with 15 people, we have jams with 4 | 12:54 |
| dholbach | we sometimes had really new people who had never heard of launchpad before | 12:55 |
| dholbach | we sometimes even manage to patch packages | 12:55 |
| dholbach | I promise to write up my experiences later today :) | 12:55 |
| dholbach | the most important thing is really making only very little about giving talks | 12:55 |
| bac | dholbach: how long do you generally meet? | 12:56 |
| dholbach | ~3h | 12:57 |
| dholbach | some people wanted to extend it and we're thinking about it | 12:57 |
| bac | thanks for the chat dholbach and pedro_. it was helpful. | 12:58 |
| dholbach | great :) | 12:59 |
| dholbach | I so look forward to Global Bug Jam | 12:59 |
| dholbach | it's going ot be great | 12:59 |
| dholbach | Rafik: do you have everything planned yourself already? | 12:59 |
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| pedro_ | yeah can't wait ;-) | 12:59 |
| Rafik | dholbach> I tried to talk to friends and people around here. Many are very interested but don't know what bug triage is. I hope that this first experience will a least let the people know about how it works | 13:02 |
| dholbach | Rafik: sounds good - so you have everything set up already? | 13:02 |
| Rafik | I hope so. There is also a talk about having some people from others cities over internet | 13:03 |
| pleia2 | Rafik: that's not a bad idea :) I think I'll suggest that here too | 13:04 |
| dholbach | nice | 13:05 |
| Rafik | There is also an idea : If we ensure a good number of attendees, we'll maybe ask in #ubuntu-bugs if someone with more experience could assist us | 13:07 |
| dholbach | sure... do ask! | 13:07 |
| dholbach | shall we continue in #ubuntu-locoteams? | 13:07 |
| Rafik | ok | 13:08 |
| dholbach | thanks everybody! | 13:09 |
| pedro_ | thanks you | 13:09 |
| Rafik | thank you | 13:10 |
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| YoBoY | hi, i missed the classroom :( (again) | 14:06 |
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| jcastro | 15 minutes warning! | 23:44 |
| nhandler | I'm ready | 23:47 |
| jacob | what a great way to start the UNIX new year: bugjam! :P | 23:51 |
| jcastro | Happy 1234567890 everyone! | 23:58 |
| jcastro | we'll give it a few more minutes just in case people are running late | 23:58 |
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