=== santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve === bac_afk is now known as bac [12:06] HEYA! [12:06] sorry for being ... a bit late :) [12:06] * dholbach hugs y'all [12:06] thanks bac for reminding me [12:06] who's here for some bug jam loving? [12:06] me [12:06] * pedro_ waves [12:07] hey pedro_ [12:07] I just pinged the folks in #ubuntu-locoteams [12:07] let's wait another 2-3 minutes [12:07] hi somaunn [12:07] hiya mnemo [12:08] howdy :) [12:08] * Rafik_ is here === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [12:08] alrighty... shall we start with a quick round of introductions? [12:09] who's who and which loco are you from? [12:09] * dholbach is Daniel Holbach and from the Berlin team, Germany [12:10] * bac is brad crittenden from the North Carolina, US loco [12:10] * pedro_ is Pedro Villavicencio from the Chilean LoCo team [12:10] hiya _marx_ [12:10] * Rafik is Rafik Ouerchefani, from Tunisia. [12:11] come on guys... don't be shy :) [12:11] * _marx_ Mark Cox US-NC team [12:12] martin olsson from gothenburg, sweden originally.. living in copenhagen though.. [12:12] * _marx_ has to go to work so I'm logging this session [12:12] hiya barcc_ [12:12] alrighty... [12:12] * _marx_ is away: at work [12:12] how far have you guys got with organising your global bug jam session? [12:14] fortunately in Berlin we have a venue we can use for this kind of events, we just need to still pick a day (saturday or sunday) and announce it properly [12:14] how are you guys doing? [12:15] we've got an excellent venue and about 8-10 people coming [12:15] all first timers, including me [12:15] bac: wow, nice - did you have any trouble organising it? [12:16] no. we have a local for-profit "co-working" site that let's sprint, etc use the space. large conference room, projector, free wifi, lots of power outlets. it rocks. [12:16] hi emmajane [12:17] bac: cool - how did you go about announcing it and reaching out? [12:17] dholbach, hello :) [12:17] so far just on the mailing list and IRC chats [12:18] cool [12:18] I was interested because I know that in the past a few teams have talked to LUGs in the area or even put up posters in book shops [12:19] how about everybody else? [12:20] does anybody have questions already? [12:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam#Material has a good bunch of material about how to run bug jams, but I realise that it might not be "everything" :) [12:21] so... ask :) [12:22] dholbach: how about if you start at the beginning. what should be the goal for a loco group bugjam? [12:23] * bac hasn't read through the materials yet. sorry. [12:23] right [12:23] the goal for the bug jam should only be: bring people together and have fun working directly on Ubuntu [12:24] even if you guys don't get to "fixing bugs" a few clever questions or reassigning some bugs is a good start [12:24] if you have a lot of fun together, even better [12:24] there's always a few things you need to organise: a venue, have a good announcement and preparing the session itself [12:25] if you can't find a venue and you're just a few people, you can even do it at your house, just ask everybody to bring a few snacks :-) [12:26] pedro_: want to talk a bit about how we can help newcomers to have a good start with bug triage? [12:26] sure [12:27] one of the issues that we have encounter here while organizing the bug jams [12:27] is that new triagers doesn't really know where to start [12:28] ok we have launchpad accounts, bugs, internet connection, etc so where to next? [12:29] what you can do first is a little talk about bug status [12:30] what triaged means, what's the difference between fix released and fix committed, etc [12:30] you're probably going to have a few questions regarding that [12:30] ther material section I talked about earlier has a presentation in English (and Spanish) that can help you with that [12:31] and it's pretty important to get to know those things before doing any change on the reports ;-) [12:31] hehe :) [12:31] yes there's a pretty good presentation about it, so please review it and if you have comments from the audience take some notes and then add them as a feedback to the page [12:31] or send them to us [12:32] one point that's really important about it is: try to make it all about people doing good work together and actually themselves trying to learn the ropes [12:32] it might be boring to stand 3-5 hours in front of an audience who is expecting a demo / talk, etc. [12:32] it help if you prepared a list of bugs you want the team to look at or something [12:32] and let them try [12:33] so move away from the front of the audience early :) [12:33] yes yes [12:34] well regarding targets what'd i suggest for start doing some triage is start with the bugs without a package [12:34] trust me we have *quite* a lot of that [12:34] hehe [12:34] do we have any questions about that already? [12:35] from where do you get the list of those bugs? :-) [12:37] at the GBJ page there's a list of easy tasks if you go there you'll see at the top of the list the one for the bugs without a package with even an example [12:37] Rafik, pedro_, bac, _marx_: do you have any tips you can share? [12:39] well here what we do is create bug lists (with bugnumbers) for people to work on based on the ones from the easy tasks page [12:39] and we work on them like announcing the bug number in which you're working on so other people can skip that one [12:40] that works fine for us at least [12:40] [Question] if we don't have a really experienced person in the team, where to ask for help if we unsure about something ? (#ubuntu-bugs, find a mentor on videoconf, ..) [12:41] #ubuntu-bugs is definitely a good answer there [12:42] if you can help people to ask their own questions in the bigger team you help them a lot already [12:43] any other questions=? [12:44] i have a question from reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs about package organization in LP [12:45] it says each package in ubuntu has a bugs page in LP [12:45] but, looking for bugs for 'initscript' for a friend, i see it doesn't exist. [12:46] er, 'initscripts', i mean [12:46] isn't that sysvinit ? [12:47] pedro, yes, but the package name, as shown by dpkg, is initscripts. so is there not a 1:1 matching? [12:47] bac: All *source* packages have a bug page. Each source package might generate multiple (differently named) binary packages. [12:47] soren: ah, right. thanks [12:48] sysvinit, for instance, generates all of these: sysvinit, sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts, sysvutils [12:48] soren: and how does one find the source package for a given binary package? [12:49] bac: "apt-cache show initscripts" shows info about the binary package. [12:49] excellent [12:49] Among other things, it has a "Source: " field. [12:49] That's what you want. [12:50] dholbach: i think the materials on the wiki are very thorough and will be a great primer for our loco to do our first bug jam. [12:51] super [12:51] maybe you can ask the guys if they have interest in doing another one [12:51] I'm going to write up my experiences with the regular bug jams in berlin later today and send it to loco-contacts [12:53] do we have any open questions? everybody clear on how to proceed? [12:53] everybody added themselves and their teams to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam ? [12:53] all friends invited? [12:53] poked a few people from other locos already? :) [12:54] dholbach: how often does the berlin loco do bugjams? what kind of turnout do you have? [12:54] bac: every two weeks [12:54] it's very different every time :) [12:54] we had events with 15 people, we have jams with 4 [12:55] we sometimes had really new people who had never heard of launchpad before [12:55] we sometimes even manage to patch packages [12:55] I promise to write up my experiences later today :) [12:55] the most important thing is really making only very little about giving talks [12:56] dholbach: how long do you generally meet? [12:57] ~3h [12:57] some people wanted to extend it and we're thinking about it [12:58] thanks for the chat dholbach and pedro_. it was helpful. [12:59] great :) [12:59] I so look forward to Global Bug Jam [12:59] it's going ot be great [12:59] Rafik: do you have everything planned yourself already? === bac is now known as bac_afk [12:59] yeah can't wait ;-) [13:02] dholbach> I tried to talk to friends and people around here. Many are very interested but don't know what bug triage is. I hope that this first experience will a least let the people know about how it works [13:02] Rafik: sounds good - so you have everything set up already? [13:03] I hope so. There is also a talk about having some people from others cities over internet [13:04] Rafik: that's not a bad idea :) I think I'll suggest that here too [13:05] nice [13:07] There is also an idea : If we ensure a good number of attendees, we'll maybe ask in #ubuntu-bugs if someone with more experience could assist us [13:07] sure... do ask! [13:07] shall we continue in #ubuntu-locoteams? [13:08] ok [13:09] thanks everybody! [13:09] thanks you [13:10] thank you === bac_afk is now known as bac [14:06] hi, i missed the classroom :( (again) === bigimole is now known as ibuclaw === Nicke_ is now known as Nicke === bac is now known as bac_lunch === bac_lunch is now known as bac [23:44] 15 minutes warning! [23:47] I'm ready [23:51] what a great way to start the UNIX new year: bugjam! :P [23:58] Happy 1234567890 everyone! [23:58] we'll give it a few more minutes just in case people are running late