| crevette | hello | 06:44 |
|---|---|---|
| crevette | salut huats | 07:11 |
| huats | hello crevette | 07:11 |
| === BugMaN1 is now known as BugMaN | ||
| seb128 | good morning there | 08:48 |
| mvo | hey seb128! | 08:48 |
| seb128 | hello mvo | 08:48 |
| seb128 | mvo: I'm on my laptop now ;-) | 08:48 |
| mvo | did you had a chance to look at the gconf output? | 08:48 |
| mvo | great :) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | can you give me the gconf key again? | 08:49 |
| seb128 | or rather gconf directory | 08:49 |
| mvo | gconftool --get /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/active_plugins | 08:49 |
| seb128 | $ gconftool --get /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/active_plugins | 08:49 |
| seb128 | [core,ccp,dbus,place,mousepoll,gnomecompat,move,resize,decoration,png,svg,imgjpeg,text,neg,video,wall,snap,animation,scale,scaleaddon,expo,staticswitcher,regex,resizeinfo,workarounds,ezoom,vpswitch,extrawm,fade,session] | 08:49 |
| mvo | but with this config its now working, right? | 08:50 |
| seb128 | no | 08:50 |
| mvo | does that include the latest uploads I did from yesterday? | 08:50 |
| mvo | oh | 08:50 |
| seb128 | I did upgrade to the version you uploaded yesterday and use the capplet to reset normal effects | 08:50 |
| mvo | but you still get the windows on multiple workspaces? | 08:51 |
| seb128 | yes | 08:51 |
| * mvo scratches his head | 08:51 | |
| seb128 | mvo: if you open the applications menu, accessories and select screenshot there it's only listed on one workspace? | 08:51 |
| mvo | seb128: yes, but with the live-cd from yesterday I saw the same effect as you, just not on my normal system. I will try harder to reproduce | 08:53 |
| seb128 | just select the normal effects in the appareance capplet? | 08:53 |
| seb128 | mvo: that's weird, if I run 'gnome-screenshot --interactive' which is the desktop command I don't get the bug | 08:54 |
| seb128 | using the run application dialog or a command line | 08:54 |
| seb128 | but when starting it from the gnome-panel menu I get the issue | 08:54 |
| mvo | and its evo and gnome-screenshot? or everything you start from the panekl? | 08:54 |
| seb128 | same for evolution | 08:55 |
| seb128 | starting it on a command line = no bug | 08:55 |
| seb128 | using the launcher installed by default = bug | 08:55 |
| seb128 | everything I start using a launcher | 08:55 |
| seb128 | or menu entry | 08:55 |
| seb128 | I get it with gedit too now | 08:55 |
| seb128 | mvo: get the bug too now? | 08:57 |
| mvo | not ready yet, give me a minute :) | 08:57 |
| seb128 | that sounds like a "let me get some tea first then I can have a look" ;-) | 08:59 |
| mvo | heh .) no, tea is already ready | 08:59 |
| mvo | *yum* | 08:59 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 08:59 |
| mvo | but the compiz test machine was not booted yet | 09:00 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 09:00 |
| mvo | seb128: do you compiz 1:0.7.9+git20090211-0ubuntu3 ( ? | 09:00 |
| seb128 | "compiz test machine", I see | 09:00 |
| mvo | :) | 09:01 |
| seb128 | you don't run this compiz crap on your normal boxes right? ;-) | 09:01 |
| mvo | the laptop can't run compiz, it freeze after 5min (ati driver issue) | 09:01 |
| mvo | and everything else runs compiz (i.e. my regular workstation) | 09:01 |
| seb128 | let me restart my session to be sure | 09:01 |
| seb128 | $ dpkg -l | grep compiz | 09:03 |
| seb128 | ii compiz 1:0.7.9+git20090211-0ubuntu3 OpenGL window and compositing manager | 09:03 |
| seb128 | still getting the issue after a session restart | 09:03 |
| seb128 | mvo: so you still don't get the bug? | 09:03 |
| mvo | woah, that is very strange, *now* I get it too, but I did not restart or anything, just clicked on the menu | 09:03 |
| mvo | that is puzzeling | 09:04 |
| seb128 | mvo: you didn't even try before did you? | 09:04 |
| mvo | seb128: you click on the workspace switcher applet? or use the key (ctrl-alt-left) ro swithc? | 09:04 |
| * seb128 can see mvo saying "compiz bug, yeah, yeah, another of those gtk bugs rather" | 09:05 | |
| mvo | seb128: *plong* | 09:05 |
| seb128 | mvo: doesn't make a difference but neither of those, I've switch to workspace-n set for the workspaces I use often | 09:05 |
| seb128 | but using ctrl-alt-arrows or mouse doesn't make a difference | 09:06 |
| mvo | I think I can reproduce it now too | 09:06 |
| seb128 | what did you change in your workflow to get it? | 09:07 |
| mvo | starting it via the gnome-panel seems to be the key | 09:07 |
| seb128 | right | 09:08 |
| mvo | hm | 09:08 |
| mvo | _NET_WM_DESKTOP = 4294967295 does not look quite right :) | 09:09 |
| mvo | (especiall when a manually started xterm has "0") | 09:09 |
| mvo | metacity gets that right, I think here is the problem | 09:10 |
| * mvo digs into the changes | 09:10 | |
| mvo | thanks a lot seb128! | 09:10 |
| seb128 | mvo: thanks to you ;-) | 09:10 |
| mvo | I bet its a off-by-one error, 4294967295 is FFFFFFFF | 09:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: congratulations to your MOTU badge! | 09:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: where has that been announced? did huat get accepted too? | 09:25 |
| pochu | seb128: yeah :) check the motu ml | 09:27 |
| pochu | seb128: or ubuntu-devel@ | 09:28 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, huats too | 09:33 |
| pitti | seb128: u-d or u-d-d | 09:33 |
| seb128 | got the emails now | 09:33 |
| seb128 | you guys are too quick at reading those ;-) | 09:33 |
| * pochu was at the end of the meeting ;) | 09:34 | |
| seb128 | I tend to not poll on my emails every minutes or I spend half of the day doing that ;-) | 09:34 |
| pitti | seb128: just by accident, I figure | 09:34 |
| * pitti usually processes mails three or four times a day | 09:34 | |
| seb128 | btw other topic | 09:34 |
| seb128 | but do you guys have an opinion on all those netbook patches which randomly add scrollbars? | 09:35 |
| seb128 | that seems rather an ugly workaround to me and I don't like those very much though there is no strong technical reason for that | 09:35 |
| pitti | scrollbars?? | 09:36 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if we should just apply those or should discuss other ways too? | 09:36 |
| pitti | eww | 09:36 |
| pitti | I thought they'd rearrange the dialogs to fit into small screens? | 09:36 |
| seb128 | pitti: no, they do add scrollviews for when < 600 | 09:36 |
| seb128 | pitti: bug #324464 is one example | 09:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 324464 in gnome-control-center "gnome-mouse-properties does not fit in 1024x600 screen" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324464 | 09:37 |
| seb128 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22549603/90_1024x600_gnome-mouse-properties.c.patch | 09:38 |
| === mvo__ is now known as mvo | ||
| pitti | seb128: well, *shrug* if it doesn't alter the default look if you have more than 600 pixels, it's certainly bearable for jaunty, but IMHO the dialogs should just be rearranged upstream | 09:40 |
| seb128 | right, my opinion too | 09:41 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks a lot ;) | 09:41 |
| seb128 | several of those changes patch glade files though | 09:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks: congrats | 09:41 |
| seb128 | and patching glade = no fun to do updates | 09:41 |
| didrocks | hi seb128 and thanks too :) | 09:41 |
| pitti | seb128: for jaunty they won't change that much any more, and the original authors should push to get them upstream; otherwise we'll just drop them again in the next release and ask them to re-do the patch | 09:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, I dislike the changes but I guess we can do that for jaunty | 09:42 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, does the evo integration in the clock applet work for you? | 09:46 |
| pitti | seb128: I never get any appointments/TODOs there any more | 09:46 |
| pitti | and with google cals in evo enabled, it even hangs the panel | 09:46 |
| seb128 | I don't want to click on the applet now, I got too many hangs recently and ctrl-alt-backspace not working ;-) | 09:47 |
| pitti | heh | 09:47 |
| pitti | killall gnome-panel helps | 09:47 |
| seb128 | right when you think about opening a command line before having the issue ;-) | 09:48 |
| pitti | ctlr+alt+f1 :) | 09:48 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, can't use clock applet, hangs every time | 09:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570765 | 09:50 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 570765 in Calendar "gnome panel hangs after clicked on the clock applet" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 09:50 |
| * seb128 grrrrrs at vuntz | 09:50 | |
| seb128 | re | 09:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: the clock applet seems to list events correctly when not freezing after starting evolution | 09:58 |
| seb128 | ie I restart, open the calendar, nothing listed, start evo, open the calendar, then they are listed there | 09:59 |
| mvo | seb128: I think I nailed it down, sn_startup_sequence_get_workspace() return 0xffffffff when opened by the gnome-panel. I'm not sure if this is (also) a bug in the panel, but I added a workaround into compiz and sent a patch upstream | 10:58 |
| seb128 | mvo: ok thanks, that worked fine with compiz before the recent updates so compiz did change in some way | 10:59 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah, I suspect its really compiz that is faulty, let me know if the new version (-ubuntu4) fixes it for you too, thanks again for the good description of the problem :) | 11:00 |
| * mvo off for lunch | 11:00 | |
| seb128 | mvo: you're welcome, thanks for the quick fixing ;-) | 11:00 |
| huats | hey seb128 :) | 11:22 |
| huats | we missed you this morning ;) | 11:22 |
| seb128 | lut huats, congrats | 11:22 |
| huats | thanks seb128 | 11:23 |
| seb128 | huats: too early for me ;-) | 11:23 |
| huats | you deserve a great share for that... | 11:23 |
| seb128 | huats: now we can count on your for universe desktopish updates ;-) | 11:24 |
| huats | yep ! | 11:24 |
| seb128 | pedro_: hello, g_slice crashes require a valgrind log | 11:30 |
| seb128 | huats: how was the meeting then? did you get many questions? | 11:30 |
| huats | seb128: not a lot | 11:30 |
| pedro_ | seb128: i know, I'm getting one since same crash is happening here | 11:30 |
| huats | mainly about my opinion on how to improve the desktop work | 11:31 |
| seb128 | pedro_: ok | 11:31 |
| * asac hugs huats for reaching MOTU decoration ;) | 11:32 | |
| huats | thanks asac ! | 11:32 |
| rickspencer31 | pitti: ping | 12:23 |
| Laney | seb128: What's the deal with bug #327747? | 12:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 327747 in ubuntu "Please promote new package "nautilus-sendto-universe" to universe" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327747 | 12:29 |
| seb128 | Laney: what do you mean exactly? | 12:37 |
| seb128 | Laney: that's a new package that needs review and sponsoring? | 12:38 |
| Laney | Yeah, is there a reason why it's not on REVU? | 12:38 |
| Laney | and why it's native? | 12:38 |
| seb128 | Laney: there is a diff.gz on the bug, how native? | 12:39 |
| Laney | I see no orig | 12:39 |
| seb128 | Laney: is using REVU a rule? I for one don't have an account on REVU and don't use it | 12:39 |
| seb128 | Laney: the orig is the nautilus-sendto one | 12:39 |
| Laney | ah | 12:39 |
| Laney | REVU isn't technically required, but I doubt that any MOTU will review and upload straight from launchpad | 12:40 |
| Laney | unless the package is special for some reason | 12:40 |
| seb128 | I will if they don't | 12:40 |
| seb128 | MOTU sucks sometimes | 12:40 |
| seb128 | I don't get why using REVU should be a requirement | 12:40 |
| seb128 | that's a normal sponsoring request | 12:40 |
| seb128 | need to talk to dholbach about it | 12:40 |
| Laney | maybe its fine, I just didn't get what it was about | 12:44 |
| seb128 | Laney: it's about building code which requires universe build-depends | 12:45 |
| seb128 | Laney: the choice are to either promote those build-depends or have an universe package which does the build | 12:45 |
| Laney | oh right, I get it | 12:47 |
| Laney | it wasn't very clear, sorry for the confusion | 12:47 |
| seb128 | that's alright | 12:47 |
| seb128 | just curious but was not clear? | 12:48 |
| seb128 | the description and package name should give good clue | 12:48 |
| Laney | I understood the purpose, but not the implementation | 12:49 |
| seb128 | what do you consider as suboptimal? | 12:50 |
| seb128 | or what is weird for you? | 12:50 |
| Laney | It wasn't clear that this was a fork of an already-existing package, and that it uses the same orig | 12:50 |
| Laney | maybe it's just the way I read it though | 12:51 |
| seb128 | well, it doesn't use the same orig exactly | 12:51 |
| seb128 | or rather than a cp nautilus-sendto.orig.tar.gz nautilus-sendto-universe.orig.tar.gz | 12:52 |
| Laney | yeah | 12:52 |
| Laney | md5sum-identical | 12:52 |
| seb128 | the idea is to have the same source but ship the things which have universe depends only | 12:52 |
| Laney | anyway I will review it later | 12:52 |
| seb128 | thanks | 12:52 |
| seb128 | I was going to do that but if you do it that's better so I can NEW it | 12:52 |
| seb128 | I prefer to not have the same person doing the review and NEWing | 12:53 |
| seb128 | for what is worth I did look at the debdiff and it's trivial | 12:53 |
| seb128 | it's basically extra build-deps over the main package and a .install to install the things which are not in nautilus-sendto | 12:53 |
| seb128 | Laney: welcome on your new MOTU membership btw ;-) | 12:58 |
| Laney | thanks | 13:01 |
| seb128 | welcome -> congrats | 13:03 |
| seb128 | rather ;-) | 13:03 |
| === pochu_ is now known as pochu | ||
| ember | congrats huats didrocks and Laney :p | 14:22 |
| huats | thanks ember | 14:22 |
| bluesmoke | mvo: Please do a snapshot of plugins-main, wall is so awesome now :) | 14:54 |
| mvo | bluesmoke: you should still have commit access to the team ;) | 14:54 |
| mvo | bluesmoke: but yeah, sounds great. I need some "commitment" from danny that there will be a stable releas at some point | 14:55 |
| mvo | otherwise I get into trouble :) | 14:55 |
| bluesmoke | Supposedly 0.8 was supposed to be out now | 14:55 |
| mvo | but just compiz, no? the plugins-{main,extra} are not branched | 14:55 |
| mvo | or is trunk just what will be 0.8? | 14:55 |
| mvo | (for the plugins) | 14:56 |
| bluesmoke | They planned on doing it all together | 14:56 |
| mvo | cool | 14:56 |
| === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth | ||
| mvo | I missed that | 14:56 |
| mvo | Amaranth: I make a update into the compiz ppa now, sounds like we should be prepared | 14:56 |
| Amaranth | mvo: They want 0.8 to be the first release that drops the fusion name, from what I can understand of it | 14:56 |
| Amaranth | Which I think is too much, they should just do the release and worry about that stuff for 0.9 | 14:56 |
| mvo | I agree, its just a name afterall | 14:57 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| pitti | rickspencer31: pong | 15:02 |
| seb128 | huats: do you have universe upload rights already? | 15:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks: or you? | 15:14 |
| seb128 | bug #329020 seems a good first desktop sponsoring ;-) | 15:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 329020 in ghex "fix "deprecation warning printed on startup" and "incorrect selection length in statusbar"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329020 | 15:14 |
| huats | seb128: I don't know :) | 15:17 |
| seb128 | huats: good opportunity to try if you want ;-) | 15:18 |
| huats | seb128: I am a bit on a rush now :( | 15:18 |
| seb128 | huats: ok no hurry, maybe something to try this weekend if you want | 15:18 |
| huats | yep | 15:18 |
| huats | I am taking care of it , but this WE or monday :) | 15:18 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:19 |
| huats | (of course I'll look if nobody deal with it )) | 15:19 |
| ember | mvo or seb128 care to accept the gnome-desktop-sharp2 binaries? tomboy requires libgnomepanel2.24-cil | 15:24 |
| mvo | Amaranth: plugins are now in the compiz-ppa | 15:24 |
| Amaranth | mvo: woohoo | 15:25 |
| mvo | ember: seb128 will have to do that, I can not do NEW | 15:25 |
| Amaranth | mvo: have you seen the feature I'm talking about in wall? | 15:25 |
| mvo | Amaranth: :) I like the "keep dock windows in place" when doing the place | 15:25 |
| mvo | eh, switch | 15:25 |
| mvo | is that what you mean? | 15:25 |
| Amaranth | yep | 15:25 |
| Amaranth | It's like the static plugin but it works for the desktop too | 15:26 |
| mvo | Amaranth: yeah, its very cool | 15:29 |
| mvo | a small thing, but looks much nicer | 15:29 |
| Amaranth | I was asked to ensure this gets into jaunty :) | 15:29 |
| mvo | haha | 15:30 |
| mvo | Amaranth: by danny? or some users :) ? | 15:31 |
| Amaranth | users | 15:31 |
| Amaranth | gnome-do developers, actually | 15:31 |
| mvo | nice | 15:32 |
| mvo | I guess it should be safe to upload it into jaunty proper | 15:32 |
| Amaranth | until 0.9 compiz is still "the latest git snapshot is better then the last release" | 15:33 |
| Amaranth | 0.9.x is going to be hard to deal with | 15:33 |
| mvo | did you actually start to package the compiz++ branch? | 15:34 |
| asac | Riddell: i tried kubuntu-desktop yesterday on my ati system and after login it ends up with a white screen similar to what happens if i force compiz under gnome. | 15:38 |
| Amaranth | mvo: Nope, not really worth it yet | 15:38 |
| Amaranth | mvo: everything is going to be moving around | 15:39 |
| asac | mpt_: see msg | 15:39 |
| * mvo nods | 15:39 | |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| Riddell | asac: if you're in a testing mood, see if this helps echo -e "[Compositing]\nEnabled=false" > ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc | 15:40 |
| asac | Riddell: ok so you dont run similar blacklisting as we do for compiz | 15:40 |
| asac | = | 15:40 |
| asac | Riddell: Riddell you ment ">>" not ">" right= | 15:41 |
| asac | damn keyboard | 15:41 |
| Riddell | asac: it should use the blacklist from compiz | 15:41 |
| Riddell | asac: depends if you care about about kwin settings :) | 15:41 |
| asac | i appended that now to my config. next time i log in i will check | 15:41 |
| asac | Riddell: probably not ... i never used kde in the last years or so | 15:42 |
| asac | oh i started it in intrepid for networkmanager i think | 15:42 |
| asac | Riddell: the only thing that makes compiz fallback on my card is "Software Rasterizing" ... you probably want to check for that too | 15:42 |
| asac | Riddell: anyway ... will let you know if that helped at all | 15:45 |
| seb128 | re | 16:25 |
| seb128 | mvo: so how many compiz updates can you screw in a week? ;-) | 16:25 |
| mvo | *pff* | 16:26 |
| seb128 | mvo: just jocking, your new version fix my issue ;-) | 16:28 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 16:28 | |
| crevette | hey gentlemen | 16:28 |
| crevette | I plan to do the update of the lastest bluez version | 16:28 |
| * mvo hugs seb128 | 16:36 | |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128 - just looking at bug 314263 again - the uploaded patch is not correct, which is part of the reason it doesn't work anymore | 16:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 314263 in glib2.0 "regression - URIs opened with firefox %u load as local files (file:///...)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314263 | 16:53 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: feel free to submit a debdiff to fix it | 16:54 |
| chrisccoulson | i will do, but i just tested it with the patch applied correctly, and it still doesn't work correctly. it doesn't pass any uri to the application now | 16:54 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: what is wrong in the patch? | 16:55 |
| chrisccoulson | the patch does what was intended, but i'm wondering whether something changed between 2.19.5 and 2.19.6. i'm going to apply it to 2.19.5 in a minute and make sure it still works | 16:56 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm doing a build with some g_debug's in at the moment so i can try and work out what is going on | 16:56 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i'll provide a corrected debdiff for that. it seems to be working now after logging out and back in again | 17:10 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: what did you change now? | 17:13 |
| chrisccoulson | i havent changed anything, other than correcting the patch so that it applies properly | 17:13 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: you don't want to tell me what was wrong or not correctly applied then? | 17:17 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, the patch actually patched itself (if that makes sense), because of a copy/paste error from the debdiff i provided | 17:18 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 17:19 |
| seb128 | I did screw the 2.15.6 update because my local copy was not uptodate | 17:19 |
| seb128 | and your debdiff added another revision rather than fixing that | 17:19 |
| seb128 | so I did tweak it | 17:19 |
| seb128 | but I did it quickly and probably did something wrongly there | 17:20 |
| seb128 | next time I will ask for an updated debdiff rather ;-) | 17:20 |
| chrisccoulson | that's ok ;) | 17:20 |
| chrisccoulson | just in case it didn't make sense, i copied the extracted patch to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/117746/ so you can see | 17:20 |
| === bratsche_ is now known as bratsche | ||
| chrisccoulson | it's a direct copy and paste from the debdiff i think and as a consequence it actually patches itself;) | 17:21 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | bryce: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/browser-benchmarks-2-even-wine-beats-linux-firefox ... hmm | 17:53 |
| asac | thats partly firefox fault. most time probably goes lost on cairo/X11/driver level | 17:54 |
| asac | just FYI | 17:55 |
| bryce | asac: bummer | 17:59 |
| bryce | asac: hmm, I wonder exactly what differences in the stack exist between wine and non-wine | 18:01 |
| bryce | asac: I'd think they're using the same X11/driver bits underneath but who knows | 18:01 |
| bryce | could easily just be some difference in cairo backends | 18:01 |
| asac | bryce: its gtk + cairo + xrender vs. windows.dll toolkit that probably doesnt use cairo and maybe not xrender underneath | 18:01 |
| asac | bryce: i am quite sure its cairo (if not gtk), but not sure if its really cairos folk or just its heavy use of xrender or other X11 features | 18:02 |
| asac | i know that cairo has a few cases where it has bugs ... like rendering of box borders | 18:02 |
| asac | not sure if those can explain all | 18:03 |
| bryce | mm | 18:03 |
| bryce | well I'm good friends with cworth (he lives the next town over) so if there's specific work or questions you need, I'd be happy to get his help | 18:03 |
| bryce | asac, hmm in fact i'll send him this article now and get his feedback | 18:05 |
| bryce | asac: btw have you run that benchmark to confirm the findings on ubuntu? | 18:05 |
| asomething | seb128: not to distract from your discussion in devel, but I was wondering if there are any 2.25.90 updates that still need some one to handle them. | 18:07 |
| seb128 | asomething: I don't think so but 2.25.91 coming soon ;-) | 18:09 |
| seb128 | asomething: you can work on split evolution documentation by locale if you want | 18:09 |
| seb128 | that would be nice to win cd space | 18:10 |
| asomething | seb128: interesting, I'll look into that. that would be something new for me | 18:10 |
| seb128 | basically list evolution-documentation-nn where nn is a locale for each locale in the control file and move things in the rules or something I would expect | 18:11 |
| seb128 | you can try looking at how gimp does that | 18:11 |
| asomething | i'll give it a shot | 18:12 |
| asac | bryce: no, but a commentor did: 161 (wine) vs 130 (native) | 18:12 |
| bryce | mm ok | 18:12 |
| bryce | I'll cc you | 18:12 |
| crevette | seb128: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/327747/comments/6 | 18:22 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 327747 in ubuntu "Please promote new package "nautilus-sendto-universe" to universe" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 18:22 |
| crevette | hey Laney | 18:23 |
| crevette | you're here | 18:23 |
| Laney | yessir | 18:23 |
| crevette | about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/327747/comments/6 | 18:23 |
| seb128 | Laney: control.in, that's a copy of nautilus-sendto mostly so better to keep changes low to make easier to do updates and keeping those in sync | 18:24 |
| crevette | if you I replace Universe by Supplementrary in short description, wiil it make you happy? | 18:24 |
| seb128 | Laney: ie, cleaning that would only means extra diff over nautilus-sendto and work to do merges for no real win | 18:25 |
| Laney | seb128: Well I was imaginging that merges would be done manually anyway so it wouldn't matter | 18:26 |
| Laney | but I dont' feel strongly about it, it was more stylistic | 18:26 |
| seb128 | right, I've no strong opinion either | 18:26 |
| crevette | as you want | 18:26 |
| Laney | crevette: I was thinking more along the lines of the nautilus-sendto one | 18:27 |
| Laney | integrates xxx and yyy into nautilus or something | 18:27 |
| Laney | also, there were some indentation inconsistencies in control, but now I'm really nitpicking :) | 18:27 |
| crevette | so should I drop control.in ? | 18:28 |
| Laney | I will upload either way, so pick what will make you more happy as maintainer | 18:29 |
| crevette | Laney: I'm not technically speaking a maintainer, and I don't consider myself as a maitainer | 18:31 |
| crevette | I'm just some guy helping ubuntu :) | 18:31 |
| crevette | I appreciate any good advice | 18:32 |
| crevette | :) | 18:32 |
| Laney | well IMO it isn't necessary, especially as the changelog history will differ, and this is the main point of uploaders.mk | 18:32 |
| Laney | why did you add DEB_DESTDIR btw? | 18:33 |
| crevette | Laney: to be able to only provide the two *.so files | 18:33 |
| crevette | I've been advised to do so | 18:34 |
| crevette | :) | 18:34 |
| Laney | oh, was the whole directory installed by default in nautilus-sendto? | 18:34 |
| crevette | Laney: yes | 18:34 |
| Laney | i.e. not adding it would install all of the plugins again | 18:34 |
| Laney | OK, got it | 18:34 |
| Laney | (might be nice to say this in the changelog) | 18:34 |
| crevette | Laney: we rebuild whole nautilus-sendto why that, and we only pick up the so we want to have | 18:35 |
| Laney | yeah, I understand | 18:35 |
| crevette | Laney: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4b7895d5 | 18:52 |
| crevette | is it better for you? | 18:52 |
| Laney | crevette: How about "integrates Empathy and UPnP into the Nautilus file manager"? | 18:53 |
| Laney | following nautilus-sendto | 18:53 |
| seb128_ | Laney: are you a native english speaker? | 18:54 |
| Laney | yes | 18:54 |
| seb128_ | just wondering ;-) | 18:54 |
| seb128_ | Laney: ok, so you pick the description, will probably be better than what french guys (ie crevette or me for example) can do ;-) | 18:54 |
| Laney | heh, I was just going for consistency | 18:54 |
| Laney | but it sounds better to me too | 18:54 |
| seb128_ | Laney: yeah, I think your suggestion makes sense | 18:54 |
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| pochu | seb128: I didn't know the notification bugs where actually valid upstream bugs | 18:55 |
| pochu | seb128: that makes things quite different | 18:55 |
| pochu | I've already forwarded one upstream and I'm going to prepare a patch for another one | 18:56 |
| Laney | they are? | 18:56 |
| pochu | Laney: yes | 18:56 |
| Laney | interesting | 18:56 |
| Laney | I was under the impression that Ubuntu was being quite heavy-handed here | 18:56 |
| pochu | Actions may or may not supported by the daemon, so they should check that it's supported before using it | 18:56 |
| Laney | in what sense are they valid? | 18:56 |
| Laney | oh, that is cool | 18:56 |
| pochu | see "Actions" in table 1 in http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/0.9/x81.html | 18:56 |
| seb128 | pochu: right, they are but they have no strong reason to go this way, they are just wishlists | 18:56 |
| pochu | "This functionality may not be implemented by the notification server, conforming clients should check if it is available before using it" | 18:57 |
| pochu | seb128: who are "they"? | 18:57 |
| seb128 | Laney: well, the idea is to stop using notification in bubbles | 18:57 |
| Laney | Yeah, I know the idea | 18:57 |
| Laney | I just thought that it was an Ubuntu quirk | 18:57 |
| seb128 | pochu: upstream, GNOME, the daemon they use support actions so they might not see the issue | 18:57 |
| seb128 | where the new daemon will not | 18:58 |
| pochu | seb128: right, but they are ignoring the spec, which makes those valid bugs | 18:58 |
| pochu | even if they are low prio | 18:58 |
| seb128 | right, bugs are valid | 18:58 |
| seb128 | I just say it's not really a priority for them | 18:58 |
| pochu | yeah | 18:58 |
| seb128 | but no doubt opening bugs makes sense | 18:58 |
| pochu | bug my two affected upstreams are not GNOME ;) | 18:58 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:58 |
| pochu | and actually I'm now upstream for Liferea itself | 18:58 |
| pochu | although if you tell me Liferea consumes 100% cpu, I'll blame Xulrunner :) | 18:59 |
| seb128 | pochu: congrats | 18:59 |
| pochu | thanks :) | 18:59 |
| crevette | pochu: time to switch to webkit :) | 19:00 |
| pochu | crevette: oh yeah :) | 19:00 |
| pochu | crevette: trunk is webkit only | 19:00 |
| seb128 | pochu: btw where are you running for motu membership then? | 19:00 |
| crevette | really ? | 19:00 |
| pochu | no Xulrunner, no GtkHtml anymore ;) | 19:00 |
| pochu | crevette: yeah | 19:00 |
| seb128 | where -> when | 19:00 |
| pochu | and 1.6 will be released soon | 19:00 |
| pochu | seb128: I'm MOTU for more than a year ;) | 19:00 |
| seb128 | hum, I was not sure, should have checked | 19:00 |
| seb128 | pochu: you should do universe sponsoring ;-) | 19:01 |
| pochu | yeah... | 19:01 |
| seb128 | good to see new people helping there with Laney, huats and didrocks who joined today | 19:01 |
| seb128 | anyway dinner time | 19:01 |
| seb128 | bbl | 19:01 |
| pochu | enjoy | 19:01 |
| * crevette stays UNMOTU | 19:02 | |
| crevette | :) | 19:02 |
| pochu | crevette: not for long! | 19:02 |
| crevette | pochu: you're tracking applications using action in notifications ? | 19:02 |
| pochu | crevette: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=dxteam | 19:03 |
| crevette | pochu: gnome-user-share uses actions (I coded notification for it) | 19:04 |
| crevette | but I don't see the gain removing actions, but it is true I didn't read docs related to the changes you're doing | 19:05 |
| pochu | crevette: I'm not tracking them... maybe the Dx team missed that | 19:05 |
| pochu | crevette: or maybe they didn't report it yet ;) | 19:05 |
| crevette | what is dxteam ? | 19:05 |
| pochu | crevette: well, the point is that according to the notification-daemon spec, the daemon may not have actions support | 19:06 |
| pochu | crevette: so you should check if it has, and if it doesn't, don't use them | 19:06 |
| crevette | okay | 19:06 |
| pochu | crevette: Desktop Experience team | 19:06 |
| pochu | (new Canonical team) | 19:06 |
| crevette | okay | 19:06 |
| pochu | crevette: so the bugs are for applications that don't check whether the daemon has actions support before using them | 19:06 |
| pochu | those that do are fine | 19:07 |
| mclasen_ | pochu: yet the bugs all read '...shouldn't use notifications with actions' | 19:08 |
| pochu | mclasen_: yeah, I guess the title is incorrect | 19:09 |
| pochu | mclasen_: the body says "they should check if the daemon supports Actions" | 19:09 |
| mclasen_ | fair enough | 19:09 |
| pochu | or actually | 19:09 |
| pochu | "Instead, the buttons should be made conditional on whether the notification server supports actions." | 19:09 |
| pochu | which is the direction that patches have | 19:10 |
| pochu | e.g. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22449526/goobox-notify.diff | 19:10 |
| asac | pochu: where did you read that? | 20:50 |
| asac | 20:09 < pochu> "Instead, the buttons should be made conditional on whether the notification server supports actions." | 20:50 |
| === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant | ||
| pochu | asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/328606 | 23:12 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 328606 in liferea "liferea shouldn't use notifications with actions" [Undecided,New] | 23:12 |
| pochu | asac: see comment #3 in bug 328609 | 23:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 328609 in decibel-audio-player "decibel-audio-player shouldn't use notifications with actions" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328609 | 23:20 |
| * asac looks | 23:38 | |
| asac | pochu: (on liferea) but the presence of the option makes it difficult to remove ... what does that mean | 23:45 |
| pochu | asac: I think they mean the presence of the option in liferea's preferences, but I'll have to check it | 23:49 |
| pochu | I don't have libnotify enabled so I'm not sure | 23:49 |
| pochu | will try to have a look tomorrow | 23:49 |
| asac | which option? | 23:49 |
| asac | "presence of the option" - what option? what do you control with that? enable/disable notifications? | 23:50 |
| pochu | the preference option->yes | 23:50 |
| pochu | and the notifications have actions in it | 23:50 |
| pochu | like "mark those new items as read" and things like that | 23:50 |
| asac | i understand that part. | 23:50 |
| asac | for me "option" was not defined at all in the bug ... could be any option | 23:51 |
| asac | so lets assume its "enable/disable" notification optoin | 23:51 |
| asac | let me reread | 23:51 |
| pochu | Liferea has a “Show a popup window with new headlines.” option that is on by default | 23:52 |
| asac | pochu: heh | 23:52 |
| asac | true | 23:52 |
| pochu | it's cleary the preference option in the GUI tab, isn't it? | 23:52 |
| * asac rereads ;) | 23:52 | |
| pochu | :) | 23:52 |
| pochu | s/cleary/clearly/ | 23:52 |
| asac | pochu: so this bug is about removing action buttons | 23:53 |
| asac | why all the rest of this info? | 23:53 |
| asac | i mean its fine, but it isnt related to the bug ;) | 23:53 |
| asac | or am i missing the connection? | 23:53 |
| asac | so notifications are "These are annoying and unusable" ... because you get flooded ... now we remove actions which doesnt fix the flood ;) | 23:54 |
| asac | pochu: so are those libnotify notifications? | 23:54 |
| pochu | asac: yes | 23:55 |
| pochu | "Instead, the buttons should be made conditional on whether the notification server supports actions." | 23:56 |
| pochu | that's the key | 23:56 |
| pochu | the notification-daemon specification doesn't guarantee the daemon will support Actions | 23:56 |
| pochu | so the application (liferea) should check that the daemon does, and if so it can use Actions | 23:56 |
| pochu | there's an API to check that | 23:56 |
| pochu | but liferea currently doesn't check it, it just uses Actions unconditionally | 23:57 |
| pochu | the Dx team plans to change notification-daemon to not provide Actions support, so those apps that don't check if there's support for them will be buggy | 23:57 |
| pochu | those are bugs in the apps because of the spec says they need to check that | 23:58 |
| pochu | so that's what we need to fix :) | 23:58 |
| * pochu -> bed, g'night! | 23:59 | |
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