| TheMuso | c | 02:27 |
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| evand | lfaraone: ok, I'll take a look at it today | 08:29 |
| CIA-3 | partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r209 ubuntu/ (66 files in 3 dirs): | 10:15 |
| CIA-3 | partman-auto-lvm: Ask how much of the VG should be used for logical volumes, rather than | 10:15 |
| CIA-3 | partman-auto-lvm: unconditionally using it all (LP: #160156). | 10:15 |
| gomersion | Hi. Does anyone know if its possible to enable dm-multipath during an ubuntu install? Are there command line options to pass which enables it? | 10:32 |
| cjwatson | there's been some work on that in jaunty, but probably doesn't work in prior releases | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | I think it's disk-detect/multipath/enable=true in jaunty | 10:59 |
| CIA-3 | partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r210 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 32ubuntu2 | 11:00 |
| gomersion | Ok. thanks | 11:23 |
| gomersion | I'll give that a try | 11:24 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3026 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/timezone_map.py): | 12:19 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Only select cities that are in the same UTC offset as where the mouse | 12:19 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: clicked. | 12:19 |
| evand | Short of the poor lining up of the map against the time zone cities, the time zone map should be usable now. | 12:20 |
| * cjwatson perpetrates some entertaining ncurses abuse | 12:51 | |
| cjwatson | I think I may have cracked manual package selection | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | except for some reason it's exiting right after displaying the terminal | 13:21 |
| cjwatson | oh, I forgot to override SIGCHLD handling, bah | 13:24 |
| lfaraone | evand: great. | 13:43 |
| CIA-3 | user-setup: cjwatson * r153 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog user-setup-udeb.install): | 13:58 |
| CIA-3 | user-setup: Disable installation of pre-pkgsel.d/10kdesudo; it does nothing for | 13:58 |
| CIA-3 | user-setup: Ubuntu, and causes a confusing message that worries some people. | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | sudo bterm -f /usr/share/oem-config/unifont.bgf -l en_GB.UTF-8 -- sh -c 'env DEBCONF_USE_CDEBCONF=1 DEBCONF_DEBUG=20 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug NCURSES_TRACE=8191 ./progress.config 2>err' | 14:38 |
| cjwatson | ridiculous test-harness command lines of our time | 14:39 |
| charlie-tca | Anybody report issues with Ubuntu Jaunty alternate cd failing to install? | 14:50 |
| cjwatson | frequently ;-) you're going to have to be a *little* bit more specific than that! | 14:55 |
| charlie-tca | failing at 6%, missing packages at lib-c6? | 14:57 |
| charlie-tca | The following packages have unmet dependencies: Feb 13 14:28:07 in-target: libart2.24-cil: Conflicts: libart2.0-cil but 2.20.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installed | 14:58 |
| charlie-tca | also libgconf2.24-cil | 14:59 |
| charlie-tca | libgnome-vfs2.24-cil | 14:59 |
| charlie-tca | Then three missing pacages | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | that's not an installer bug, it just means the system isn't actually installable at the moment | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | the installer is just the messenger | 15:01 |
| charlie-tca | Who needs to know, or is it bug report time? | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | we have automatic reports for this so it usually sorts itself out | 15:01 |
| charlie-tca | Okay. Thanks | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | it's good to report this when a milestone is coming up, but when it's just a random daily build it tends to be unnecessary | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | but thanks :) | 15:01 |
| evand | welcome :) | 15:48 |
| shtylman_ | thank you :) | 15:48 |
| shtylman_ | my current branch is ~shtylman/+junk/ubiquity but I will rename it at some point, I was just following a quick bzr guide as I had never used it before until like 3 days ago | 15:49 |
| cjwatson | ~shtylman/ubiquity/arbitrary-name-for-your-branch would be neater and would make it show up on the ubiquity project page | 15:50 |
| shtylman_ | ahh..thanks for the heads up, I will do that... any advice on how to do that if I already have that branch? is there a move I can use? | 15:51 |
| cjwatson | there's a rename feature in LP | 15:52 |
| shtylman_ | excellent | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | https://code.launchpad.net/~shtylman/+junk/ubiquity/+edit | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | the naming scheme is OWNER/PROJECT/NAME by which you should be able to figure out which bits to edit | 15:52 |
| shtylman_ | ok, done...it is now ~shtylman/ubiquity/kdeui | 15:56 |
| evand | shtylman_: if you follow the IRC notification part of this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment , your commits will show up in here and will generally make it easier to follow the changes you're making | 16:00 |
| evand | not a requirement though :) | 16:01 |
| shtylman_ | what type of changes does it notify? and would this be recommended? I don't have a problem setting it up if its helpful | 16:02 |
| shtylman_ | (side questions about bzr) I previously made a change to the timezone_map.py file for testing, but now I just want to replace mine with the one from the master branch, I know I can merge and commit, but I don't want to merge, just replace...help? | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | merge, copy the .OTHER file to yours, resolve | 16:05 |
| shtylman_ | thanks | 16:05 |
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| cjwatson | or copy the file from the other branch after merging but before committing, if the merge doesn't leave a .OTHER file | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | you can also do stuff with bzr diff -rbranch:../wherever | patch but TBH this way is easier | 16:07 |
| shtylman_ | yea...the .OTHER approach worked, thanks ... I am finding bzr to be more like svn (in commands and behavior) than git, even though it is also distributed | 16:08 |
| evand | it notifies the channel of every commit, it's generally helpful as it's much easier for us to keep track of your branch | 16:08 |
| shtylman_ | every commit? or every push? | 16:09 |
| evand | every commit | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | most of us use "bound branches" so that commit==push | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | although I unbind if I'm going to be without network access for a while | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | (bzr help bind, bzr help unbind, bzr help checkout) | 16:14 |
| shtylman_ | interesting...I will look into that | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | or maybe bzr help checkouts, more usefully | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | bzr is more like cvs/svn command-wise by design, yes | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | whereas git is explicitly unlike them by design; philosophical difference | 16:15 |
| shtylman_ | heh | 16:16 |
| shtylman_ | what is really cool to me is how well it integrates with launchpad | 16:18 |
| shtylman_ | makes starting development and keeping up really easy | 16:19 |
| evand | indeed, launchpad is fantastic for such things | 16:19 |
| shtylman_ | to do the bound branch, can I just bzr checkout my branch? I did that but now I want to merge changes from the master branch and it is complaining, is there more I need to do to inform it of the master branch? like to I have to re bind to the master then merge and bind back? | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | to convert a normal branch to a bound branch, 'bzr bind lp:~...' | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | you should not bind to the master branch; that will create confusion | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | what is the complaint? | 16:26 |
| shtylman_ | k | 16:26 |
| shtylman_ | no location specified...I think cause I never bound after the checkout | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | um | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | more likely that you didn't give a branch to bzr merge? | 16:26 |
| shtylman_ | yea :) | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | normal would be 'bzr merge lp:~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk' or 'bzr merge /path/to/local/checkout/of/same' | 16:27 |
| shtylman_ | ahhh | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | you only have to do that the first time; it will remember thereafter, as long as you're only ever merging from a single branch | 16:27 |
| shtylman_ | ok | 16:28 |
| shtylman_ | ok, cool...all is well, thanks | 16:30 |
| davmor2 | evand: Hello why is encrypted home being dropped? | 16:36 |
| davmor2 | or is it just from ubiquity? | 16:36 |
| evand | davmor2: security concerns. It's not really encrypted if swap is not encrypted. | 16:36 |
| davmor2 | evand: so will it be dropped from d-i too then for that reason? | 16:37 |
| evand | yes | 16:37 |
| davmor2 | Okay :) | 16:37 |
| superm1 | evand, are you dropping it entirely from the GUI or just hiding widgets and such until a more secure solution is developed? | 16:40 |
| evand | I'd ideally like to do the latter | 16:40 |
| superm1 | well if the former happens, can you comment out the line or two related to it in mythbuntu_ui in your commit? | 16:42 |
| evand | absolutely | 16:51 |
| davmor2 | evand: I know this will sound daft but if you've got to go to the extreme of encrypting home and swap then why not just promote encrypted lvm, or am I missing something else? | 16:51 |
| evand | davmor2: a conversation to have with kirkland :) | 16:52 |
| davmor2 | kirkland: ^ | 16:52 |
| kirkland | davmor2: several reasons ... | 16:52 |
| kirkland | davmor2: encrypted lvm requires a password on boot | 16:52 |
| kirkland | davmor2: and it encrypts everything, including stuff that doesn't necessarily need to be encrypted | 16:53 |
| kirkland | davmor2: like /lib, /usr, and so on | 16:53 |
| cjwatson | also encrypted LVM is mounted even when the user in question is logged out; encrypted home is finer-grained | 16:54 |
| kirkland | davmor2: also, the way we're doing encrypted home allows each user to encrypt (or not encrypt) their home dir with different keys | 16:54 |
| kirkland | davmor2: which, as cjwatson points out, is unmounted after the user logs out | 16:54 |
| kirkland | davmor2: finally, using the approach we've taken with encrypted home, it's possible (although not yet trivial) to make incremental backups of your encrypted home dir data | 16:54 |
| kirkland | davmor2: it's not really possible to do an incremental backup of an entire lvm | 16:55 |
| davmor2 | kirkland: right now I get it a bit more thanks :) | 16:55 |
| kirkland | davmor2: sure | 16:56 |
| kirkland | davmor2: some will prefer encrypted lvm, no doubt, and there's no interest in removing that | 16:56 |
| davmor2 | kirkland: So why is it so hard to encrypt swap, is it because it is accessed by more than just 1 user? | 16:57 |
| kirkland | davmor2: well, it's actually very easy to encrypt swap | 16:57 |
| kirkland | davmor2: but doing so the "easy" way breaks hibernation on multi-user computers | 16:58 |
| kirkland | davmor2: http://ubuntumagnet.com/2007/11/creating-encrypted-swap-file-ubuntu-using-cryptsetup | 16:58 |
| kirkland | davmor2: that's a 4-step process to encrypting swap, and exactly what i use | 16:58 |
| kirkland | davmor2: but i can't (and don't want to) hibernate my machine | 16:58 |
| kirkland | davmor2: though i use suspend all the time | 16:59 |
| kirkland | davmor2: with that mechanism, swap is encrypted with a different random key on boot, every time | 16:59 |
| kirkland | davmor2: to enable hibernation to work, you would need a second, wrapping key | 16:59 |
| kirkland | davmor2: and you'd need to enter that wrapping passphrase on boot | 17:00 |
| kirkland | davmor2: and you'd need to share that passphrase with any other users who might want to resume that machine from a hibernation state | 17:00 |
| kirkland | davmor2: i consider that a relative corner case, but I'm in the minority in that vote, i think :-) | 17:01 |
| davmor2 | kirkland: Yes I think anyone with a job and laptop might take issue with you :D | 17:01 |
| davmor2 | kirkland: So are we likely to this implemented and working full and stable by the next release? | 17:04 |
| davmor2 | 9.10 | 17:04 |
| davmor2 | rather than 9.04 | 17:04 |
| kirkland | davmor2: i actually have a couple of ideas how to solve the encrypted swap issue | 17:05 |
| kirkland | davmor2: i'm hoping for those to land in 9.10 | 17:05 |
| kirkland | davmor2: kees had an interesting suggestion | 17:05 |
| kirkland | davmor2: i'm going to add a little script to ecryptfs-utils that will do the steps in that article url i pasted above | 17:05 |
| kirkland | evand: hey, so encrypted-home is going to be dropped from the desktop installer, but i think it should remain in the server/alternate installers | 17:15 |
| kirkland | evand: and i'd recommend just commenting it out | 17:15 |
| kirkland | evand: i think we can address the concerns by 9.10 for swap and others | 17:15 |
| evand | kirkland: why can it stay in one and not the other? Can you reply in the email thread if you haven't already, I have to run to do some pre-vday errands and I suspect I wont be back until Monday | 17:16 |
| kirkland | evand: sure. basically, it comes down to the fact that the user would need to setup encrypted swap themselves postinstall using a script that i provide | 17:19 |
| kirkland | evand: i don't think that's too much to ask of users installing via server/alternate installer | 17:23 |
| shtylman_ | is keyboard_names.py autogenerated? | 21:31 |
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