[08:07] <cwillu> is there a list of event anywhere?
[08:09] <sadmac> cwillu: any string can be a valid event. but for a list of ones upstart uses internally see man events
[08:15] <cwillu> no manual entry
[08:16] <cwillu> my next gripe was going to be the difficulty in finding documentation for upstart-as-used-in-the-wild
[08:16] <cwillu> :p
[08:16] <sadmac> cwillu: install fedora :)
[08:16] <sadmac> then look at the manpage
[08:17] <cwillu> after the kde debacle, you'll understand if I decline your generous offer :p
[08:17] <cwillu> but I'd take a link to an online version :p
[08:20] <sadmac> kde debacle? I think we have a damn good KDE implementation. (digging in koji for that manpage...)
[08:20] <cwillu> thanks
[08:21] <cwillu> http://linux.die.net/man/5/events
[08:21] <sadmac> whoa. didn't know they would pick that up...
[08:22] <cwillu> which isn't terribly useful
[08:22] <sadmac> what are you missing?
[08:23] <cwillu> the justification for using upstart natively rather than the old style rc jobs
[08:23] <cwillu> except not worded quite so aggressively
[08:25] <sadmac> cwillu: I'm regrettably too tired for that now.
[08:25] <sadmac> cwillu: netsplit.com might be a good place to look. somewhere in the archives scott has done that many times.
[08:25]  * sadmac sleeps
[08:26] <cwillu> sadmac, I don't need to be sold on upstart over the old format, but I'm not having an easy time of actually using it as such
[08:36] <cwillu> http://www.netsplit.com/2007/12/07/how-to-and-why-supervise-forking-processes/
[08:36] <cwillu> does that imply that I don't need to use start-stop-daemon or its ilk anymore?
[08:51] <suihkulokki> cwillu: pretty much yeah
[09:56] <cwillu> suihkulokki, there's no way to specify a user to run as is there?
[19:49] <sadmac2> notting: ping
[19:50] <notting> what's up?
[19:50] <sadmac2> notting: do you prefer SELinux policy loading in init or initrd?
[19:51] <notting> i prefer it not be in init(1) as then the first thing init has to do is policy loading gunk and then re-execing itself
[19:53] <sadmac2> sold
[19:56] <notting> whether that's in the initramfs, or in a shell script sitting at /sbin/init...
[19:56] <sadmac2> notting: I don't see doing it in another piece of code as being better than having it in pid 1.
[19:57] <sadmac2> the only real added ugly is figuring out whether init is being executed the first time or the second.
[23:31] <ion_> \o/
[23:34] <sadmac> ion_: yes?
[23:34] <ion_> sadmac: Time.at(1234567890) passed.
[23:35] <sadmac> ion_: sweet