[00:00] Ah, customizing the system. [00:00] you shouldn't really need much of a script. You could simply build a package that depends on everything you need (assuming everything is available in the repository) [00:02] hi guys know any good docks that don't require compositors(tried simdock but it gave errors) [00:02] i've been apt-getting almost everything. so i suppose it should be. [00:03] zoredache: that idea is much more feasible.. thanks! [00:03] * Lucifer_Cat goes off to look for instructions on building packages. [00:04] The debian new maintainers gude might be a starting point http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ [00:07] I have used the 'equivs' tool on occasion to accomplish something like what you mention. Though that isn't really what equivs was made for [00:09] By any chance would anyone know how to make Avant's dock do what Cairo dock's does when you mouse over it?(I'm alienkid's brother.) [00:11] assume we never saw Cairo dock [00:11] also, there is #awn where the developers themselves lurk, they are quite friendly [00:13] Oh. How do I go about getting to their IRC? [00:13] (Sorry if it's a late response, I'm looking at a Wiki article, too.) [00:15] Usr: /j #awn [00:17] so any good non-compositor docks? [00:17] * charlie-tca never turns compositor on [00:18] charlie same here [00:18] I suppose you can make something with the standard xfce4-panel and iconbox panel plugin... [00:18] but it's not quite it [00:19] hey, another n00b doubt: do i need to Dl any add ons to install along with xubuntu? [00:19] hey max [00:19] titan_ark_: depends on what you want to use, default set of application is not necessarily complete [00:20] titan_ark_: you usually install them from xubuntu itself though [00:20] TheSheep: okay. am just starting up. so anything else needed for basic use was wat i was intending [00:20] any AV or security updates? [00:20] been on windows till date :P [00:21] titan_ark_: you will probably want to install codecs for mp3, movies and dvd -- they are not included, as they are illegal in some countries like USA or Japan [00:21] titan_ark: the update manager will tell you if there are any updates after the install finishes. [00:22] oh okay thank you :) [00:22] i have a wierd internet plan. night DLs are free so been up downloading. have 2 hours left so thought il DL anything more thats needed [00:23] you migth qalso have a look through getdeb.net [00:23] okay :) [00:23] shall do that [00:27] okay 1 major query i forgot to ask [00:28] the iso that i have downloaded, do i need to burn it as a bootable disc or just burn the image :P [00:28] bwa ha ha ha by some mysteriosity, tap to click now works, so its all good [00:29] SirEel : nice :) [00:31] wat AV should i use with xubuntu? [00:34] you really don't need any antivirus [00:35] Lucifer_Cat = Ceiling_Cat? [00:35] * Itacious wonders if he's asked this before. [00:35] zoredache, oh okay. its a habit from windows :P [00:36] titan_ark: Welcome to Linux! :-D [00:36] Itacious: no. [00:36] oh. OK. [00:36] lol, that was funny. [00:36] itacious: windows has been like a pain in the neck and i want to get rid of it :P [00:37] "no." [00:37] would you be looking for him? [00:37] No, just wondering. [00:38] So.... anybody know of a mixer for the sys tray? [00:42] I need lots of help setting up internet on newly installed Xubuntu system! [00:42] benjamin_1: ethernet/cable? [00:42] ethernet [00:43] through ptd.net MTE (multi tenant ethernet) [00:43] * Itacious should hang around here more often. Read: First time in this channel. [00:44] Lucifer_Cat: Can you help? [00:45] if "just plug it in" is considered help, then sure. [00:45] otherwise no. [00:45] mine worked out of the box [00:45] Lucifer_Cat: I'm getting pretty screwed from my ISP. [00:46] benjamin_1: did you have your networking under the other OS? Have you documented all the settings you had to make there? === Lucifer_Cat is now known as mostlyharmless [00:48] zoredache: The other OS is Vista Home Premium x64. I'm writing down the information for ipconfig /all as we speak. as for settings on Vista, I have to enter a given username and password, into either a popup box or firefox (page redirected to ptd.net login site). Does this help you out>? [00:48] To Synaptic: You're telling me, with all your trinket and doodad packages, there is not a single package for volume control in the notification area/system tray?!?! [00:49] benjamin_1: so under linux what happens? [00:49] is your network card recognized, do you get an ip address, are you unable to login to the portable? [00:49] Itacious: of course there's a volume applet [00:49] for the tray? [00:50] connects to Auto Eth0. then nothing. Have attempted to change items in Network Configuration. but no luck. [00:50] one that isn't a panel applet? [00:50] Can you run me through how to tell those items in 5 mins? [00:50] Itacious: oh, ok... yeah, it's a panel applet. what's wrong with that? [00:50] can I search for available xubuntu packages from the command line? [00:51] fortunev: 'apt cache search pattern' [00:51] let me paste what i said earlier. [00:51] apt-cache search rather [00:51] you guys are awesome! [00:51] Hey all, I have xfce set up with a 48px panel, iconbox, etc. (a la Windows 7). I have just discovered (or rediscovered) that the xfce tray supports multiple columns, so now the icons aren't huge (YES!). But, if I put the standard xfce volume applet down there, it blows up to 48x48px. So, in short, does anybody know of a package that is a volume manger(?) for the system tray? Thanks in advance. [00:51] (06:53:25 PM) charlie-tca: This new keyboard I bought doesn't seem to spell any better than my old one... [00:51] thanks [00:51] oops [00:51] okay a few final questions before i log off and get an hrs sleep: [00:52] zoredache:Thanks, Ill try that and report back once I finish copying this windows ipconfig, and restart [00:52] at getdeb.net i saw that most s/ws were for gnome so i cant use them for xubuntu? [00:54] zoredache: would 'apt cache search emacs' search for emacs packages? [00:54] apt-cache search emacs [00:54] thks [00:55] titan_ark_: you would need to install some gnome libraries if you didn't have them already. You will be able to run the applications [00:56] zoredache: oh okay thx :) i guess il rather install xubuntu and then start from there [00:56] no point asking questions without experiencing the problems [00:56] :P [00:56] Good luck with linux! [00:56] oh by the way does the regular chatzilla plugin work? [00:57] wat irc client would i need? [00:57] thx a ton Itacious [00:57] i think it works without anything else. [00:57] Go and install it to check. :P [00:57] I would need an irc client right? [00:58] i use mirc or the chatzilla plugin on windows [00:58] ChatZilla IS an IRC client. [00:58] yes [00:58] okay [00:58] i was asking once i am on xubuntu :P [00:58] try xchat though. [00:58] okay [00:58] it's included with xubuntu [00:58] thx [00:58] bye. [00:58] cya [00:59] thx a ton once again :) [00:59] See you next time! [00:59] zoredache:ok zoredache what do i have to do [00:59] Hopefully I'll be on this channel often. [00:59] yes [00:59] :) [00:59] adios :) [01:01] zoredache:ok zoredache what do i have to do?? === mostlyharmless is now known as Dont|Panic === quassel243 is now known as genii-around === Dont|Panic is now known as mostlyharmless [01:10] zoredache:ok zoredache what do i have to do?? [01:12] ... [01:13] I'd say he's afk. [01:13] Itacious: yeah seems like it to me too. Can you help me? [01:13] * Itacious wasn't paying attention to the conversation. [01:14] With what? [01:14] Whatcha need? [01:15] Itacious: Connecting to the internet through a Multi-tenant Ethernet connection provided by ISP ptd.net [01:15] No, I can't. Sorry. === mostlyharmless is now known as Lucifer_Cat [01:15] Is there someone on who can? [01:15] You might wan't to try #ubuntu. [01:16] thanks ill check it out [01:16] Sure. There's always more people in there. [01:17] can someone pls help me [01:18] i'm a noob here [01:18] pls [01:18] Please state your problem and a service bot will be with you momentarily. [01:18] j/k [01:18] Whatcha need? [01:18] i installed xubuntu to a usb using the [01:18] make usb startup disk [01:18] after it installed [01:19] i was told to restart [01:19] and boot from the usb [01:19] so i did [01:19] after booting [01:19] !enter [01:19] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [01:19] i selected the language [01:19] zoredache:ok zoredache what do i have to do?? [01:19] in this case english [01:20] then i selected try xubuntu without any changes to the system [01:20] it then brought me to the user login screen [01:20] asking for a username [01:20] and password [01:20] !enter [01:20] i do not know the username and password [01:20] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! === j1mc is now known as _j1mc [01:21] try ubuntu for user and hit enter for password? [01:21] So you installed xubuntu to you pc from the usb key? [01:21] Oh, nevermind. [01:22] i was using the try xubuntu without any changes from cd [01:22] live cd [01:22] Hmmm... it shouldn't do that. [01:22] Itacious: !enter > {nick} works better [01:22] then installed as to a usb as a make usb startup disk [01:22] Thanks, Lucifer_Cat [01:22] when i booted to the usb [01:23] ok, ok. [01:23] I get it. [01:23] and selected the same way as live cd [01:23] I got it. [01:23] it brought me to a screen [01:23] asking for a username and password [01:23] I UNDERSTAND. [01:23] :P [01:24] ive tried username: user password: live [01:24] nothing [01:24] Did you follow a howto to make the usb key? [01:24] ive tried username: root [01:24] password: root [01:24] nothing [01:24] i can not log in [01:25] the os keeps saying that i need to enter the username and password in the correct case [01:25] Did you follow a howto to make the usb key? [01:25] L3, ^^ [01:25] yes i've followed the how to make a xubuntu 8.10 live usb install [01:25] L3: try username ubuntu password hit enter [01:25] on pendrivelinux.com [01:26] L3, can you give me the link? [01:26] standby [01:27] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-810-install-via-the-usb-creator/ [01:27] btw [01:27] thanks [01:27] if my wife needs this computer [01:27] i may need to log off and return with this problem [01:27] i hope you guys forgive my persistence [01:27] i am a noob [01:28] i really want to learn linux so bad [01:28] how do you over rid a burn for dvd on braser for dual layer because my dvd is more than 7.9 it is 8.5 gbs [01:28] Hmmm. it shouldn't be asking for a user/pass. [01:28] i know [01:28] but it does [01:29] when i select livecd option on the usb boot [01:29] it goes to the login screen [01:29] Usb Creator didn't ask for a user/pass? [01:29] and i am getting laughed at at trying to introduce linux to some folks [01:30] sorry Itacious, i can not understand your question [01:30] i followed the instructions to the letter from that link [01:30] oh wait [01:30] The program you used to create the usb xubuntu, did it ask for a user and pass? [01:30] i understand your question [01:30] no it did not [01:31] here is the link again [01:31] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-810-install-via-the-usb-creator/ [01:31] Itacious, if you want to try [01:32] Odd question, but did you remove the cd before booting into usb xubuntu? [01:32] and e-mail me, my e-mail is akiranma_x@yahoo.com [01:32] my wife needs the computer [01:32] btw [01:33] Will you be back later tonight? [01:33] i did remove the cd before booting into the usb drive [01:33] i'll really try [01:33] gtg [01:33] bye [01:33] Maybe i can help you then. [01:33] i prefer irc over email. [01:33] so close. [01:40] hello [01:40] hi [01:40] how are you? [01:40] good [01:40] I am happy my pcmcia card works :D [01:40] :) [01:40] now my external dvd burn works [01:40] which for some reason did not want to work with usb 2 [01:41] it worked with usb 1 though [01:41] which is really slow :( [01:41] you mean usb 1.0? [01:41] it said on the box that it is high speed usb 2 [01:41] but for some reason it does not want to work on my machine [01:42] it works on my other laptop with usb 2 fine [01:42] but that it broken now :( [01:42] yes usb 1.0 [01:42] hey [01:43] back with a problem in installation :( [01:43] hi [01:43] :/ [01:43] i reached the screen where it asks for the partitioning [01:43] compusa bought out tiger direct ? [01:43] now i have 4 drives each of 10 GB [01:44] You mean 4 partitions? [01:44] and i had cleared drive E (the 3rd 1) to install xubuntu on it [01:44] oops my bad [01:44] rocko: no, tiger direct bought compusa when it filed bancruptcy [01:44] yes 4 partitions [01:44] oh, you mean drives. [01:44] oh. [01:44] lol [01:44] cool [01:44] Go on, titan_ark. [01:44] while installing it doesnt give me the option to choose the drive :S [01:45] i guess its directly choosing C [01:45] Well, first of all Linux doesn't use C:, D:, Z:, etc. [01:45] and giving me the option to select the size of the win and linux partition [01:45] oh okay [01:45] basics: [01:46] hda0 would mean [01:46] oops. [01:46] sda0 [01:46] it says sda0 [01:46] ? [01:46] it showed something like dev/sda0 [01:46] dav/sda1 [01:47] ok [01:47] *dev [01:47] etc [01:47] yup [01:47] hda0 means harddrive a, partition number 1. [01:47] and it was selecting the 1st partition [01:47] okay [01:48] "sd" is supposed to be SCSI i think. [01:48] prolly it was hda, am just a bit fagged out. been up all night its 7 am now :P [01:48] But linux sometimes designates IDE hdd's as SCSI for some reason. [01:48] oh okay [01:49] i.e., the hard drive on this pc is designated as sda, but it's IDE. [01:49] SO... [01:49] okay [01:50] so do i need to merge 1 drive with the 1st partition now? [01:51] hda0 would be harddrive a (1st hdd), partion 0 "1st partition" [01:51] hdb3 would be harddrive b (2nd partition), partition 3 (4th partition) [01:51] numbering starts at 0 instead on one. [01:51] *of [01:51] yes i got that :) [01:51] :-/ [01:52] What do you mean merge? [01:52] so how do i make it select the 3rd partition? [01:52] Alright, first of all, why do you have 4 partitions and which one(s) are windows? [01:52] okay, i was assuming il use a 3rd party tool like partition magic and merge the 1st and 3rd partition (if thats possible) [01:53] Oh, I see what you mean. [01:54] win is installed on the 1st partition i.e. C, and i had partitioned into 4 just for convenience and as they say better drive performance [01:54] :P [01:54] i wonder hw much of a difference it does make actually on the performance [01:54] not much if any. [01:54] to be honest. [01:55] okay :P had actually read that some time back so i stuck to that practise [01:55] unless the seperation of fragmentation would make a performance difference. idk. [01:56] Is there anthing on the last 3 partitions? [01:56] yes lots of data [01:56] mp3s files pic etc [01:57] is there any blank partitions? [01:57] blank? i have cleaned up the 3rd one just for installing linux [01:58] ok, although i would recommend more than just 10gb. [01:58] The installer should designate which one is windows. [01:59] Which one does it say is windows? [01:59] sda0 [01:59] thats my C drive where i have installed xp [01:59] ok. and your third partition is the last one you selected, right? [01:59] oops. [01:59] I mean created. [02:00] yeah thats where i wanted to install it [02:00] in the wubi installation it allows you to choose the drive [02:01] wait, your using Wubi? [02:01] no no [02:01] ?? [02:01] i just tried it now [02:01] So which one do you want to use? [02:01] i was trying to install by booting frm the live disk [02:01] any disadvatages to using wubi? [02:02] titan_ark: select "manual" at the bottom of the page, [02:02] it will give you another page. [02:03] charlie-tca, can you take it from here? [02:03] sure [02:03] thanks. bye [02:03] when i tried manual, in the "before" and "after" image, it showed that the entire hdd would b under linux [02:03] see you later, titan_ark. [02:03] oh okay itacious [02:03] thx a ton :) [02:03] cya sometime [02:03] your welcome! :-D [02:04] It should show the entire drive, but let you pick sda2 [02:04] Are there several partitions/drives in the big window after selecting manual? [02:05] okay so i select manual and then "next" and in the next screen that comes up it will let me pick the partition i want u mean? [02:05] yes [02:05] no i dint want to risk going to the next scren [02:05] Okay, let me bring up the screen [02:05] in the same screen it did not show me the option to select the partition [02:06] oh okay [02:06] I'm bringing up the live cd to make sure I have it [02:07] oh okay. [02:07] i have just 1 system here :| so cant try out wat ur saying simultaneously [02:07] I have 5, so will walk through it. [02:08] oh okay thx :) [02:08] Okay, prepare disk space - Manual [02:09] hit forware [02:09] forward, rather [02:09] okay [02:09] It will show the partitions [02:09] okay [02:10] select sda2, which should be the E drive. Click on it to hilite it. [02:10] okay [02:10] Edit partition - make sure the correct one is hilited [02:11] okay [02:12] Now, a window will open, to do what you want with the partition. If only Xubuntu is using it, you can select Ext3 Journaling file system [02:13] If you want windows able to see it, select fat32 [02:13] okay il prefer win and linux drives to be interaccessable [02:13] Then use fat32 [02:13] okay [02:14] Then use as : need to select "/" which is the root file system [02:14] ah, i dint get that, sorry :? [02:15] Sorry, use as: fat32 [02:15] "Use as: fat32" ? [02:15] Then Mount point: "/" which is what we use to say install here [02:15] okay [02:15] okay [02:15] Then hit Okay [02:16] then forward [02:16] okay [02:16] It will ask you to enter your name, user name, password, etc. [02:16] Write down the user name and password. [02:16] okay [02:16] You need them to get into xubuntu. [02:16] okay [02:17] I think that should work [02:17] alrighty [02:17] :) [02:17] Normal drives will be C:\ = sda0 [02:17] d:\ = sda1 [02:17] okay [02:17] got that [02:17] e:\ = sda2 [02:17] :) [02:17] Good luck [02:18] okay [02:18] thx [02:18] :) [02:18] btw [02:18] wubi installation not a good idea? [02:18] wubi installation is fine [02:18] okay [02:18] I don't have any copies of windows myself [02:19] oh okay [02:19] :D [02:19] hope i can get rid of windows soon [02:19] :P [02:19] If you use wubi, you have to do another install to get rid of windows [02:20] in the wubi installation it says file system is not good [02:20] okay [02:20] need to get a hang of linux b4 i can say adios to good ol windows :D [02:21] This should be a good way to do it then [02:21] okay [02:21] yes [02:21] better to have a dual boot [02:21] else will be in a tight spot in an emergency [02:21] :P [02:22] agreed [02:23] okay [02:23] chall try it out [02:23] hopefully next time i log in it shall me thro xubuntu B) [02:23] :-) [02:23] adios [02:42] what folder are application config files kept in. I am looking for the .emacs config file. not the local user one [02:46] where can I find the .emacs config file? [02:52] in /etc [02:53] saluton [02:53] thks [02:57] zoredache: i found an emacs folder there but not the .emacs file [03:03] fortunev: can't you just: which emacs? [03:04] back :( [03:04] the install dint happen :( [03:05] if I was not such a Linux noob. [03:07] what I am looking for is the emacs config file. [03:07] anyone around? [03:07] nope [03:08] :? [03:08] :P [03:08] :S [03:08] :D [03:09] you having trouble installing? [03:10] Odd-rationale: yes. was trying xubuntu 8.10 [03:10] the install reached 20% and then stalled [03:11] how long did you wait? [03:11] about 10 minutes at that point [03:11] and the screen froze [03:11] the mouse pointer froze [03:11] hmm. have you tried the alternative install disc? it usually has less issues... [03:12] !alternative [03:12] The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the alternate link on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent [03:12] oh no :( [03:12] i started with ubuntu [03:12] 8.10 [03:12] then ubuntu alternate [03:12] now xubuntu [03:13] dont tell me i need to DL xubuntu alternate now :( [03:13] what happened with the alternative disc? [03:13] same? [03:13] wel with ubuntu i was getting stuck cos i am running a 256MB RAM system [03:14] with the install? [03:14] and during installation i got an error that my RAM was only 253MB [03:14] even with 256 mb even xubuntu is going to be slow... [03:14] don't even try the livecd... :P [03:14] :O [03:15] oh! [03:15] i was told xubuntu would work on this dinosaur of mine [03:15] :( [03:15] it will... [03:15] but not a whole lot better... [03:15] oh okay [03:16] a good distro to use on those machines is someting like Puppy Linux. [03:16] i dint knw that linux would give so much trouble in places where windows works fine! [03:16] very small... [03:16] okay [03:16] i'm not saying it won't work... [03:16] lol yeah [03:16] could it be cos i dint create a swap? [03:17] swap helps... but it is not used during install... [03:17] hmm okay [03:18] if you *really* wanted an ubuntu-based system... try one of these links [03:18] !lowmem [03:18] For installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements. [03:18] yes i did c that earlier [03:19] would a 500MB swap do? [03:20] i am running a P4 265MB RAM with a 40GB HDD [03:20] swap is not a ram replacement... [03:20] hmmm yeah [03:23] i guess today is not my day [03:23] :| [03:23] sorry i can't help much... [03:23] sure, not a prob [03:23] thx for the help :) [03:23] shall try my luck once again [03:24] adios :) [03:24] see ya [03:29] ok so someone suggested this before, and im following up on it... i installed xubuntu, and then i installed packages like sshd and tightvnc etc. now what should i do so i dont have to install them again the next time i do a clean install? [03:44] any idea? [03:47] Anyone having wireless problems after today's updates? [03:49] * forces no [03:54] :-( [04:09] Is there a website that keeps track of all the updates? [04:11] B) [04:12] finally xubuntu-ing :D [04:13] Odd-rationale :) am in!!! [04:13] yayy! [04:13] feels great :P [04:16] titan_ark: congrats [04:16] what was the problem earlier? [04:17] Lucifer_Cat: ah dont ask, tried ubuntu live, then alternate, then xubuntu live [04:17] had almost given up hope [04:17] just took a risk and am thro :P with some data loss though [04:17] :D [04:18] so you were trying to dual boot? [04:18] yes [04:18] hmm [04:18] am running a dino of a PC. P4 256 MB RAM and 40 GB HDD with xp [04:18] i did a clean install [04:18] oh okay :) [04:18] titan_ark: P3 256megs 40 gigs [04:19] had xp too [04:19] oh okay :) [04:19] but didnt want any of that crap :P [04:19] lol [04:19] i hav just 1 system so couldnt risk going for a clean install [04:19] i have 2 laptops with windows on them... its more than enough [04:19] titan_ark: yeah. [04:20] im not even trying to install ubuntu on my laptop [04:20] got some really cool help here else i would've still been stuck i guess :P [04:20] oh okay :D === _j1mc is now known as j1mc [04:21] i spent like the whole night from 12 am to 930 am now! [04:21] whoa [04:21] what an exercise [04:22] titan_ark: what did you do to make it work? [04:22] Odd-rationale, the swap did the ttrick i guess :P [04:22] cool [04:23] am thrilled [04:23] my 1st successful linux installation! [04:24] thx to everyone here! [04:32] the tough part is working with it every day :P [04:34] wel hope i can get used to it soon [04:34] which will be a good media player for this? [04:34] amarok ? [04:34] titan_ark: congrats on your first install [04:34] for music? or for video? [04:34] titan_ark: you're using xubuntu? [04:34] yes [04:34] xubuntu 8.10 [04:34] i was just looking around [04:34] i'd recommend banshee or rhythmbox for a full-featured player. [04:35] amarok is a media player music+video right [04:35] xubuntu comes with "listen" installed by default... amarok is music only [04:35] no, amarok just does audio music [04:35] oh okay [04:36] amarok is also a KDE application - it will work with xubuntu, but it's probably better to stay away from KDE programs on a Xubuntu system if you can help it. [04:36] btw i could'nt format the partition to fat 32 :( it dint permit to install on a fat32 partition so i cant access my data on other drives :( [04:36] okay il keep tht in mind [04:37] how are other drives formatted? ntfs? [04:37] fat32 [04:37] or other partitions... you should be able to read/write from xubuntu to fat32 partitions [04:37] i had maintained it as fat32 from the beginning to enable inter accessability [04:37] hmmm tryin to figure it out :P [04:38] am lost :D [04:38] titan_ark: you'll need to mount the partitions [04:38] titan_ark: see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions [04:39] i need to go to bed, but that should help you along well enough. [04:39] hey thx a ton :) [04:39] shal chk it out [04:39] :) [04:47] al righty am off for now! [04:47] adios everyone and thx once gain [04:48] is there a graphical app to open .tar.gz files? [05:03] mc :D [05:03] joke [06:39] how do you burn a dvd with files from an external hard drive ? [06:42] man burners for linux SUCK [08:07] how to use xchat? [08:35] quit () [08:36] Can anyone help with ATI Mobolity Radeon 9600 installation? Thanx [08:37] xubuntu does not see Radeon and this problem is having me... [08:47] what's wrong with xfce? why can't it keep stuff in clipboard after closing an app? or why can't it always show copy/move progressbars? [08:48] do i need a clipboard app? [08:56] ah am facing troublw ith mounting my drives any advice on that? [08:56] n00b :( [09:48] hi [09:49] trying to do a remote login to my xubuntu from a ubuntu (8.10 both of them) [09:49] anyone knows a good guide.. [12:11] is GnoMenu in the repos? i cant seem to find it [12:11] gnomenu [12:11] !gnomenu [12:11] Sorry, I don't know anything about gnomenu [12:12] !GnoMenu [12:12] Sorry, I don't know anything about GnoMenu [12:12] apt-cache search gnomenu [12:13] or search on packages.ubuntu.com [12:13] isn't even in Jaunty. === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === Zac is now known as Guest26279 [16:50] <_G-Blunted> if(yourhappy && youknowit){ clapyourhands(); } [17:01] self.hands.clap() [17:06] hello [17:07] i'm still trying to solve the mystery of usb keys or sd cards not mounting automatically anymore, when they previously did (at least the usb keys did) [17:08] i found that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/102097 but i am a newbie and it's a bit complicated [17:08] just reinstall hal [17:08] forces: care to elaborate? [17:10] wormsxulla, sudo apt-get purge hal && sudo apt-get install hal [17:10] then check you /etc/init.d [17:10] and restart hal [17:11] i usually use synaptic to manage packages (i'm a newbie). so should i uninstall hal with synaptic and reinstall it? [17:12] and how did the change (before: auto-mounting, now: not anymore) happen, any idea? [17:12] wormsxulla, use terminal [17:12] ok :) [17:12] I know is new for you, but you have to use it in the future [17:12] :P [17:12] i'll copy what you wrote then [17:13] nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [17:13] ok [17:14] E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible) [17:14] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [17:15] which drive is E, i wonder [17:16] the sd card which is mounted, maybe? [17:18] no. i think E: means error... [17:19] make sure all other apt stuff are closed... synaptic, add/remove, etc. [17:19] wormsxulla, close synaptic [17:29] forces: i closed it already, i'm checking what else could be opened [17:30] it was the system monitor :) [17:32] yikes, suppressing thunar-volman too? [17:32] * wormsxulla is scared [17:34] !aptfix | wormsxulla [17:34] wormsxulla: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » [17:35] i have no idea whether an APT front-end crashed ô_o [17:41] hello again, this is wormsxulla [17:42] the eee pc crashed in the middle of the apt-get command and now i have no icon at all showing on the desktop :-( [17:42] all i have is the mouse pointer [17:44] forces: sorry to ping you, but i need help :) [17:45] :O [17:45] :-( [17:46] I'm trying to change mi /home ext3 to ext4 [17:46] but I'm having many problems [17:46] T_T [17:46] http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto [17:47] well, sorry for you... but now i have one big problem: how do i get back my system? [17:47] how do i even access a terminal? [17:48] wrms, reboot again [17:49] i have, it's the same: nothing on the desktop [17:50] what did you do? [17:51] nothing. i typed the command you said, but my connection froze in the middle, freezing the whole computer. it happens sometimes when i download things [17:52] so i log in with my username and password, they blank desktop [17:55] the system is running obviously, so how do i get to it [17:55] restart X [17:55] how? [17:55] * forces will use XFS [17:55] ext4 for jaunty [17:55] :P [17:56] wrms, ctrl + alt + backspace [17:57] this gets me back to the session login, which i enter, then blank desktop, no icon, nothing except the mouse pointer [17:59] someone typed a command here just before the crash happened, but of course i can't access the log on the other machine [18:01] !apt-fix [18:01] If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » [18:01] alright, i chose "failsafe terminal" and now i have a terminal. i'd be grateful if someone could help me get the system back to normal [18:02] thanks charlie-tca [18:02] no problem. [18:02] did you fix it? [18:02] noooooooooo :-( [18:02] i don't know in what state it is and what i need to do [18:02] do you have panel? [18:02] panels [18:02] i just have a terminal [18:03] :O [18:03] but I dont understand what it's the problem [18:03] you just had reinstall hal [18:03] a now you don't have desktop [18:03] T_T [18:03] forces: i was in the middle of the sudo purge ... && sudo apt-get ... command and it crashed [18:04] just do it again [18:04] and now, no desktop, no nothing, yes [18:04] well, i would, if i would remember the exact command :) [18:04] i'm not even connected to the internet! [18:04] wormsxulla, sudo apt-get purge hal && sudo apt-get install hal [18:05] ifconfig eth0 up [18:05] dhclient eth0 [18:05] and now you have internet [18:05] alright. i usually use kppp to connect, with a dial-up modem [18:05] so these commands will connect, ok? [18:09] the command does nothing, with sudo ifconfig eth0 up. i think it's not the right interface :-( [18:09] that's for a DSL connection [18:09] for dhcp [18:10] alright, i typed sudo kppp [18:10] dial-up sucks [18:10] it's all i have [18:12] now i'm apparently connected, but i'm not back to the command line in the terminal, there is as a last line: Opener: received RemoveSecret [18:12] so how do i go back to being able to type the sudo apt-get? [18:19] alright, i finished the sudo apt-get purge etc... command, now what should i do? [18:19] hi everybody [18:20] hi [18:20] i have a little trouble here [18:20] good for you. i have a big one :p [18:20] i was using ubuntu now i have installed xubuntu desktop [18:21] :D [18:21] if you want to install it you should do sudo apt-get install purge [18:21] i could only start system once.. [18:22] system is frozen at starting desktop manager does anyone know why :? [18:22] i have a little trouble here [18:22] good for you. i have a big one :p<<--- hahaha [18:22] forces: i'm *really* not laughing [18:22] :P [18:23] forces: i have finished the apt-get and restarted X, but still nothing shows on the desktop [18:24] nothing including panels? [18:24] it says no gnome installation found if i select that in the session login [18:24] NOTHING at all [18:24] use a xfce4 login [18:26] i get a message saying: you have chosen session xfce for this sessin, but your default is Launch the Xclent script. Just for this session / cancel / Make default [18:26] mindless_: any errors while installing xubuntu-desktop? [18:26] wrms, did you remove xfce? [18:26] ... remove xfce when? [18:26] jf812: Please do not advise that. [18:26] mindless_, and vrms have a similar problem [18:26] i did nothing else than the command you said!!! [18:27] maybe it's a bug [18:27] a big one [18:27] no i dont have error [18:27] i have started succesfully once [18:27] alright. the icons are back and so is the bottom panel [18:27] then i want to start compiz [18:27] mindless_: what version of Xubuntu [18:27] forces: thanks [18:27] then desktop gone black [18:27] 8.10 [18:27] So you installed compiz? [18:28] mindless_: oh, you too [18:28] yeah [18:28] wrms, did you fix it? [18:28] How do you convert a .bin to .deb? [18:28] i installed it was working [18:28] i tried to twip desktop [18:28] i mean cube tried to rotate it [18:28] that is when desktop manager dead [18:29] I don't know about running compiz. I would suggest going to a tty terminal and removing compiz. Then you will have the desktop back. [18:29] i tried to unistall all xfce xubuntu [18:29] and reinstall it.. [18:30] but everything is same i think [18:30] what command? [18:30] wrms, what did you do? [18:30] not command i use gnome now [18:30] how did you fix it? [18:30] by synaptics [18:30] forces: i think i did when i selected the xfce session, and but i chose "just for now" while i should have chosen "for all sessions", i suppose? [18:30] and that's all? [18:30] mindless_: so you removed some of xubuntu and now it is not working? [18:30] only that was the "BIG PROBLEM" [18:31] no not really [18:31] i deleted it all and reinstalled as the same way [18:31] but nothing changed [18:31] forces: for me, having nothing on the desktop *is* a BIG PROBLEM :) [18:32] :P [18:32] be right back on my saved machine! [18:32] system starts normally but frozen on welcome screen :S [18:32] bl**dy hell, this is friday the 13th [18:32] mindless_, gdm starts normally? [18:33] gnome :? [18:33] gdm [18:33] gnome-display-manager [18:34] i think so :S [18:34] every thing is fine here on gnome [18:34] but not the same for xfce ;( [18:35] do i have to restart or do something to install xfce as i did before :? [18:35] i just can remove it and reinstall with synaptic [18:36] mindless_, start with xfce [18:36] you have to choose it in gdm [18:36] in session [18:36] yeah i know [18:36] but it is frozen when loading desktop manager... [18:36] welcome screen [18:37] i have changed that screen in xfce is it problem :? [18:37] if i run the apt-fix tip that charlie-tca said earlier, do i risk to break something again, or is that command just checking things then repairing the broken things? [18:38] mindless_: did you change it to balou? [18:39] can be [18:39] :S [18:39] or i think so.. [18:39] that was pretty cute [18:42] is there something wrong with balou :? [18:43] It has a tendency to hang at times; mostly loops the login screen [18:43] :D im so lucky huh at first boot i select it.. [18:44] Is it going to blank desktop and right back to login? [18:44] no.. [18:44] i cant see desktop [18:44] not balou [18:44] I think you have to remove compiz then [18:44] but desktop was black before i shut it down [18:46] hey if i remove xubuntu with synaptic and re install it.. [18:47] can i use xfce as i did before :? [18:47] You have to use "remove completely" [18:48] Then it may work [18:51] is there anything.. imean setting files etc not removed when removing from synaptic.. [18:52] check in ~/.config and make sure anything xfce got removed [18:53] ok thanks.. ;) [18:53] forces: you'll be glad to know that now at least the usb keys are recognized automatically, although a right-click on them shows "mount" while i think they are mounted already. i had to install gnome-mount for mounting to work [18:53] Those are user configuration and don't always get removed [18:54] * wormsxulla is totally confused [18:54] that was for mindless_ [18:54] charlie-tca: yes yes, i know, but i'm confused with what happened on my machine [18:55] I am too, if it helps [18:55] i'll be confused for a week or something :) [18:55] charlie-tca: ahah :) [18:55] i will be back if i can open or not xfce.. see you.. ;) [19:01] hey :) the n00b is back again! can anyone help me with accessing my fat32 partitions on win xp? i tried the help on mounting partitions but couldnt figure it out [19:01] from winxp or xubuntu? [19:02] hey charlie-tca, i want to access the fat32 partitions thro xubuntu. [19:02] both read fat32 partitions [19:02] i had to install xupbuntu on ext3 [19:03] Glad you got xubuntu working :-) [19:03] during installation it refused to mount on a fat32 partition so i had to select ext3 [19:03] charlie-tca, yes me too :) and am loving it [19:03] I don't know anything about fat32 partitions. maybe samba? [19:03] !samba [19:03] except for a few complexities [19:03] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [19:04] !pyneighborhood [19:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about pyneighborhood [19:04] !info pyneighborhood [19:04] pyneighborhood (source: pyneighborhood): A GTK+ application that allows you to browse network shares. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-0ubuntu5 (intrepid), package size 80 kB, installed size 380 kB [19:04] okay il chk that out [19:04] one of those should work [19:05] I'm trying to pin down an upgrade issue today. [19:05] okay il chk em out [19:06] regarding upgrades, the system says i need to do upgrades of ~ 170MB! [19:06] yeah im here [19:07] fine im on xfce thanks everybody.. [19:07] mindless_: glad it worked :-) [19:07] :) [19:07] now.. [19:07] =) [19:07] i can mount drives on gnome by just clicking them on places.. [19:08] trying to open them with nautilus just mounts them [19:08] bu i cant see any of my drvives here.. [19:08] what is tha matter :? [19:09] we don't use nautilus [19:09] i know [19:09] ijust wanna mount drives [19:09] but i cant even see them anywhere.. ;( [19:10] check your settings in Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Desktop [19:10] ok.. [19:10] Is it checked to show removable devices? [19:11] mm let me find.. [19:11] i cant find them because of my language :) [19:12] Someplace in the menu is Desktop Settings [19:12] yeah removable devices.. [19:12] its checked [19:13] and the drives are plugged in, right? [19:13] sure.. [19:13] thay are just partitons [19:13] i want to see them.. [19:14] I don't know how to make those show up. We don't put an option for it in xubuntu [19:14] hmm [19:14] so i must mount em by terminal.. [19:14] first i need names :D [19:14] ok i can fix it i think.. [19:14] If they are in fstab, they may be in /media [19:14] thanks for your helps.. [19:15] You are welcome [19:15] no nothing in media i have checked there.. [19:15] ;) [19:15] *shrug*; I hate them drives on my desktop [19:29] charlie-tca: you hate seeing the drives on your desktop? [19:30] yes, it takes up space and I seldom just access them. I mount them in /mnt if I need to access them often, otherwise, why even have them there. [19:30] Most of the time, I do not need anything in them more than once. [19:32] If you need them often, why not just add them when installing xubuntu? I have one partition I mount as /mnt/old-home, that is mounted all the time. [19:32] It is in fstab, and always available. The other ten drives just get in my way [19:36] charlie-tca :( thats not making sense to me! [19:36] what doesn't make sense? not having drives in the way? [19:36] no no [19:37] how to mount my damn drives! [19:37] They are not part of this installation, they are separate installs of different versions. [19:37] charlie-tca: why do you have ten drives showing if they are not mounted? they are connected? [19:37] They are not showing in Xubuntu. [19:38] titan_ark: just go to /dev/disk and find them, then you can create a folder for them on the desktop and mount them to it [19:39] no, that's wrong [19:39] they are fat32. That may not work. [19:39] I don't really know how to do them [19:39] charlie-tca this is my 1st time on linux :( total n00b unable to figure i out [19:39] okay [19:40] i sound some 3rd party installs for ntfs! [19:40] nothing for fat [19:40] I'm thinking ask a bit later, for help with mounting windows drives in Xubuntu [19:41] okay [19:41] it looks everybody has problems with mounting drives today :) [19:41] :) [19:41] :D [20:01] how do i add script to fstab :S [20:01] i mean entries [20:10] i found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=617952 [20:10] hi [20:10] but unable to log in as root :S [20:10] hey [20:11] titan_ark: what do you mean, unable to log in as root? Open a terminal, type "sudo -i" hit enter [20:11] It will ask for your password, it is the same one you logged in with [20:12] oops yeah! [20:12] i read somewhere that i need to use su [20:12] "su" [20:12] Be careful! whatever you do after sudo -i is as root. You can now completely destroy your system [20:13] su is for other distros; ubuntu uses sudo [20:13] whoa! [20:13] okay [20:13] am scared :( [20:13] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=617952 [20:13] does this look good to try? [20:13] No reason to be scared; just be careful. "exit" gets you out of root [20:13] okay :) [20:14] At a quick glance, yes, looks fine. don't forget to create the mount point or it won't work [20:14] ah how do i do that? [20:14] If you put it in fstab, you should mount automatically at login [20:14] okay [20:15] the part where it says sudo mkdir /media/disk [20:15] okay [20:15] to put them on the desktop use /home/USER_NAME/Desktop/disk [20:16] k [20:16] Note the capital "D" on Desktop [20:16] disk is whatever name you want to call the thing [20:16] okay [20:17] the mount point and /media/disk in fstab must be the same [20:17] hmmm [20:17] not making much sense to me :S [20:18] okay, from the beginning: what is your login name? [20:18] "home" [20:18] i am in root now, btw [20:18] you want it on the desktop, right? [20:18] yes [20:19] you log in to the desktop as "home"? [20:19] yes [20:19] okay, exit root [20:19] okay [20:19] done [20:19] type cd and hit enter [20:20] okay [20:20] cd Desktop [20:20] done [20:21] what name do you want to call the windows partition? [20:21] mkdir ????? [20:21] will this change how i will access them thro windows? [20:21] ?????= the name you want to call it [20:21] no [20:21] i want wat i have in windows to be the same [20:21] dont want to loose any data there [20:21] This is to access windows drive from xubuntu [20:22] okay [20:22] You can lose whatever you change on the drive [20:22] can i call them "C", "D" etc? [20:22] If you want. use mkdir D [20:22] okay, wat changes i do here will be seen in windows, thats okay :) [20:23] okay done [20:23] you should now have a folder called "D" on the desktop [20:23] yes i see that :) [20:23] cd /etc [20:24] what is the drive in /dev ? [20:24] you know, like /dev/sda1 ? [20:24] sda 1 yes [20:24] 1,2,3,4 [20:25] now it gets a little bit tricky. You are going to use nano to edit fstab. Be careful, it does not have mouse movements [20:25] cd/ etc gives an error: no such files or directory [20:25] okay [20:25] That's because you put the space in the wrong place. cd /etc [20:26] oh my bad! [20:26] ok thats done [20:27] if you do this wrong, it could make it hard to get back here. [20:27] okay [20:27] sudo cp fstab fstab.backup [20:27] how can i verify the partitions before i do it? [20:28] I don't know. back the file up first, then we have the original file to work with. [20:28] sudo cp fstab fstab.backup [20:28] okay [20:28] that backs it up [20:29] now you can change it. [20:29] sudo nano fstab [20:29] arrow to the bottom of the file [20:29] error: missing destination operand [20:29] that is on the cp command? [20:30] or was that nano?? [20:30] error: cp: missing destination file operand after fstab.backup [20:30] the cp command [20:30] okay, try again [20:30] sudo cp fstab fstab.backup [20:30] make sure there are two fstab words [20:31] ok no error this time [20:31] i missed once last time [20:31] yeah, i know [20:31] sudo nano fstab [20:31] Use the arrow key to get to the bottom [20:31] done [20:32] Are you on a blank line now? [20:32] yes blank line inbetween the screen [20:32] type this exact [20:32] oaky [20:32] *okay [20:34] /dev/sda1 /home/your login name/Desktop/D vfat iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0 [20:34] all on one line, even if the screen moves around [20:34] hit enter at the end of the line [20:35] how many spaces in the umask=000 0 0 [20:35] ? [20:35] doesn't really matter, I just put a couple. [20:36] It looks for spaces to know it is the next part [20:36] okay done [20:36] enter and it goes to next line [20:36] hold CTRL and tap o [20:36] hold CTRL and tap x [20:36] okay [20:37] should be back to /etc [20:37] sudo mount -a [20:37] it says fila name to write after strl+o [20:37] *ctrl+o [20:37] hit enter [20:38] after ctrl+o it says: "File Name to Write: fstab " [20:38] Just hit enter, it will take care of it [20:38] do i do "ctrl+x" there? [20:38] after you hit enter [20:39] Enter/Return ? [20:40] it should have saved and exited nano [20:40] titan_ark: well? [20:41] where do i type "sudo mount -a" [20:41] did nano go away? [20:41] no [20:42] hold ctrl and hit x [20:42] it should go away [20:42] after ctrl+o, cursor moved down and said "File Name to Write: fstab" [20:42] do i enter a name here? [20:43] or just ctrl+x ? [20:43] and you hit Enter on the keyboard [20:43] Just hit the enter key [20:43] okay [20:43] okay [20:43] now ctrl+x [20:43] back to ects [20:43] now [20:43] ect$ [20:43] sudo mount -a [20:44] done [20:44] now open D and see what is there [20:44] its empty :P [20:44] oh no [20:45] Is it empty in windows too? [20:45] this should be your d:\ [20:45] no this is my C [20:46] then it can't be empty, it should have windows in it [20:46] yesy es [20:46] *yes [20:46] it took a while to show the folders [20:46] sorry [20:46] its my c drive :) [20:46] yay! [20:47] now any changes you make here will also be there when you go to c:\ [20:47] If you erase a windows file, it will be gone [20:47] okay [20:47] alright il keep that in mind [20:47] so is this permanent or every boot i need to do these commands? [20:48] to mount the drive [20:48] ? [20:48] Next time you boot, it should mount on it's own. If it doesn't mount just use the sudo mount -a [20:48] The rest will stay [20:48] okay [20:48] now to mount my other partitions which all steps must i do? [20:49] same thing with different folders on the desktop and in fstab [20:49] oh okay :) [20:49] type sudo fdisk -l in the terminal to see what the drives are [20:50] do i do a cd 1st? [20:50] and get out of etc? [20:50] don't need to [20:50] okay [20:50] i can see the partitions [20:51] so that should tell you the /dev/sd?? part [20:51] okay [20:51] yeah [20:51] so now do cd [20:51] cd and hit enter [20:52] okay [20:52] start with cd Desktop and go from there. [20:52] okay :) [20:52] how do i rename my C to D now? [20:52] sice i put the contents of C into D :P [20:52] did you cd to Desktop? [20:53] yes [20:53] mv D C [20:53] "mv: cannot stat `D': No such file or directory [20:53] " [20:54] But you have a D right? [20:54] yes [20:54] thats where we just mounted the partition [20:55] sudo umount D [20:55] umount: D not found! [20:56] type cd and hit enter [20:56] okay [20:56] cd Desktop and hit enter [20:57] okay [20:57] got it [20:57] sudo umount D [20:57] note the n in imount is missing [20:57] wont a mkdir C and mv D C work? [20:58] no, because you can't move the D drive while it is mounted [20:58] oh okay [20:58] only root can unmount [20:58] put the sudo in front? [20:59] okay did that [20:59] mv D C [20:59] and hit enter [21:00] okay [21:00] The name should have changed to C [21:00] yes [21:00] cd /etc [21:01] okay [21:01] sudo nano fstab [21:01] okay [21:02] arrow down to the line you added, arrow across to D, hit Del on your keyboard, type C [21:02] Hello just wondering if anybody has tried opensuse with a slow machine? [21:02] i have a 600Mhz celeron and 384MB ram [21:02] okay [21:03] titan_ark: Ctrl+o [21:03] hit enter [21:03] Ctrl+x [21:03] done [21:03] sudo mount -a [21:04] okay [21:04] now it mounts as C [21:04] yes its done :) [21:04] !!! [21:04] thx a ton! [21:04] now just go back to the forum page and do it for each drive you want [21:04] You are welcome [21:04] It's a break from bugs today [21:05] you mean i ned to add individual lines in the nano? [21:05] okay :) [21:05] Only if you want additional drives on the desktop [21:05] okay [21:05] cos most of my media and data is on the other partitions [21:06] Then, yes, you need to add more lines, one for each partition you want to mount [21:06] okay [21:06] il try that out now [21:06] but not for the xubuntu partition [21:06] yeah :) [21:13] successfully mounted all :) [21:13] :-) [21:15] opensuse on a slow pc/ps3? Looking for something light that has a good gui. Currently running xubuntu on both [21:15] kinda slow with compositor on [21:15] sml1226: if you have questions about opensuse, you might be better off finding a channel focused on obensuse === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [21:15] and want some sort of transparency [21:16] well i am not specifically looking for opensuse just a good light distro and was wondering if u guys had any suggestions [21:16] xubuntu [21:17] running xubuntu now and even it is a little slow [21:17] also tried elive but hated it [21:17] just a suggestion [21:17] it was fast though [21:17] sml1226, i was suggested puppylinux, try that [21:18] what does puppy use (gnome/kde/etc) [21:18] haven't tried it before [21:21] ah i dont have an idea frankly. i am running a P4 with 256 MB RAM [21:21] couldnt run ubuntu so i was suggested puppylinux [21:21] but finally i managed xubuntu [21:23] any idea how can i speed up my downloads :S usually get atleast 100kBps on windows. here my update is happening @ 35!!! [21:23] yeah for that xubu is fine but the restrictions in the ps3 and my pc's 600Mhz celeron w/ 384MB ram is too slow to run it smoothly [21:24] * charlie-tca thinks windows cheats on numbers [21:24] sml1226 do check out puppy, am a linux n00b :P [21:24] titan_ark: firewall issues? [21:25] charlie-tca on utorrent i get 200 :S [21:25] ok thanks titan_ark will try it out [21:25] titan_ark, msn file transfers? [21:25] okay. I still thing windows lies [21:25] Mood, just installing updates, real slow download [21:25] lol charlie-tca [21:26] titan_ark: maybe it's the remote server. how large are your xubuntu d/l's? [21:26] * charlie-tca of course keeps his windows where it belongs, in the wall [21:26] Mood, its ~170MB [21:27] am unchecking the "suggested updates" now [21:27] titan_ark: wow that's a lot... all kernel related? [21:28] Mood: :P i cant tell the difference, a n00b, and i just started linux this morning [21:28] titan_ark: ah ok. we all have to start somewhere :-) [21:29] Mood: all security updates come up to 121MB [21:30] titan_ark: installed from 8.10? [21:30] yes [21:31] perl base, thunderbird installations are security updates! [21:32] any settings i need to modify? to improve speeds? [21:33] titan_ark: did you forward your port on that linux box? [21:33] no i dint [21:33] how do i do that here! [21:34] i just loaded ubuntu desktop [21:34] hmm... i think i spoke too soon... not sure which ports are used for the xubuntu downloads... [21:34] and it indicates 247 updates available [21:34] do i need to install all these/ [21:34] Mood oh :( [21:35] im new to ubuntu [21:35] steelcityjim :D same here! 160 updates for xubuntu [21:35] so do you do it? [21:35] steelcityjim: better question for #ubuntu; we deal mostly with Xubuntu [21:35] whats xubuntu? [21:36] ubuntu with xfce for a desktop [21:36] hmm ok [21:36] i guess you can skip the "suggested" updates and do the security updates only if you want to [21:36] Xubuntu works on older and slower equipment than Ubuntu [21:37] titan_ark: ok, now you made me very curious about the ports for sudo apt-get install... [21:38] Mood: okay :) i am a total n00b. never played around. and just started on linux now [21:40] Mood: few hours back i did install vlc [21:41] was getting ~190+kBps then [21:41] titan_ark: ok, from what i'm finding out, i think apt-get uses port 80 (http) [21:41] okay [21:41] titan_ark: so it should be open if you can surf the web [21:42] hmm okay [21:42] titan_ark: so, if it's not a port forwarding issue, i'm guessing it's just the remote server load [21:43] okay [21:43] or probably my connection has gone down now! [21:44] but at this time i usually get the best speeds [21:46] titan_ark: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list? [21:47] use paste.ubuntu.com [21:48] Mood: sorry but ul have to tell me how to get there :P am a bit confused with all this [21:49] titan_ark: are you in mumbai? [21:49] titan_ark: india/ [21:49] india? [21:49] yes india [21:49] how did you get that? [21:49] ok, so one possibility is that the default servers you are downloading from are very far away. so editing the sources.list will point to a mirrored server closer to you [21:50] oh okay [21:50] how do i get to that? [21:50] from the terminal? [21:50] bring up terminal [21:50] type cat /etc/apt/sources.list [21:50] okay [21:53] Mood: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117851/ [21:53] titan_ark: ah, you are already pointing to the indian repositories it seems... [21:53] titan_ark: do you see it? [21:54] trying to make sense out of it [21:54] yes [21:54] titan_ark: http://in.archive.ubuntu.com (instead of what i have, which is us.archive.ubuntu.com) [21:54] soo... [21:54] yes i got that [21:55] titan_ark: it would appear it's just slow network connectivity from the india server... [21:55] titan_ark: so.... i ran out of ideas... :-P [21:55] damn 25kB/s :O [21:55] lol okay :) [21:55] titan_ark: that is so slow [21:56] yeah! [21:56] titan_ark: are you on wireless? [21:56] looks like il be sleepless for another night! [21:56] no its an ADSL direct link [21:56] titan_ark: do you have any other downloads running? either on pc or linux? [21:57] no nothing at all [21:58] 17.6kB/s :S [21:58] this is bad :| [21:59] :(( [21:59] seems painful [21:59] titan_ark: you can try a test download via ftp isntead [21:59] instead* [21:59] :( [21:59] Mood: how do i do that? [22:00] okay on 35 now! [22:00] ftp://ftp.iitm.ac.in/ubuntu/ [22:00] i think its anon ftp [22:01] try downloading a file like 10 megs [22:02] titan_ark: try this file [22:02] ftp://ftp.iitm.ac.in/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/Contents-i386.gz <-- it's ~15 Megs [22:03] 200+ kB/s [22:04] well that's faster [22:04] thro mozilla i hit the download [22:04] ahh [22:04] ok, so it appears it's something on the server side. ah well [22:04] okay [22:05] we tried our best [22:05] yes :) thanks :) [22:05] soo... i'd recommend taking a nap :-P [22:05] i will have to stay up another consecutive night :P [22:05] i really need that [22:06] just let it run in the background. you can still do work on your linux box [22:06] yup [22:06] getting this installed was an 8 hr effort :D [22:06] Why not sleep while it runs? [22:07] titan_ark: hmm.... just to get the basic install? that's long. wait until you start playing around w/ ssh, ftp, ddclient, samba, mysql, apache, etc etc etc :-P [22:07] charlie-tca i guess il do that, my eyes are drooping now :D [22:07] titan_ark: document everything btw [22:08] titan_ark: it helps tremendously [22:08] * charlie-tca took 48 hours for my first Ubuntu d/l, about 3 years ago [22:08] Mood: well had to DL 3 isos, started with ubuntu live then alternate then xubuntu then repartitioning etc [22:08] * Mood downloaded redhat in 1999 on a 56k modem :-P [22:09] I only had 24k [22:09] charlie-tca: lol [22:09] damn i dint set this for a log :O [22:09] took forever [22:09] whoa! thats perseverence :D [22:09] titan_ark: you don't need to log it. just have mousepad up and copy+paste everything w/ notes [22:09] * charlie-tca never went past windows 3.1 [22:10] Mood, oh yes :P [22:10] I never liked to pay for what I could get free [22:11] hehe :) [22:12] I have a rotten ADSL plan now. nights are free. thats why have to start these things at this hour than during the day :P [22:16] I remember those nights well [22:29] ah its yet to get completed :| [22:29] hey i just downloaded a flash plug in [22:29] how do i install it? [22:30] when i run it like wi do in windows its asking me for an application to run it [22:32] titan_ark: install flashplugin-nonfree from synaptic [22:32] titan_ark: you need to have the restricted repositories enabled [22:32] !flash | titan_ark [22:32] titan_ark: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [22:32] oh! [22:32] okay === danielm__ is now known as danielm [23:22] hi everyone [23:22] i just bought a netbook [23:22] and was thinking of installing xubuntu and get rid of windowsxp [23:23] i read that it's possible to install ubuntu from a usb stick [23:23] do you know if i can apply the same procedures to install xubuntu? [23:26] la_rayis: yes, similar [23:26] ubottu: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [23:26] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [23:31] DasEi: i'll try them out. Thanks a lo t! [23:32] la_rayis:size of your hd ? [23:32] ..gone [23:36] happy epoch! [23:39] Hello, does anyone know where to find the network icon that mounts local shares in xubuntu? [23:40] local? Do you mean hard drives in your computer or on your lan? [23:41] im sorry, rather new to this, its my lan theres a windows machine with a share folder [23:41] xubuntu doesn't really have a easy way to mount windows shares yet... [23:41] oh :( [23:41] thanks for answering :) [23:41] !fusesmb [23:41] fusesmb is a tool that allows easy access to shared folders (smb) on a network. Links with more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb [23:41] thanks