[00:04] <rgreening> ScottK: I get this in pbuilder: bash: x86_64-linux-gnu-as: command not found
[00:04] <rgreening> any ideas what may be missing in my build?
[00:04] <rgreening> scarabeus: ^
[00:04] <rgreening> ScottK: ^^
[00:05] <rgreening> I misstypes sc<tab> for scottk lol...
[00:05] <scarabeus> well we gentoo devs know how compiler works but not in kubuntu :P
[00:06] <Sput> scarabeus! stop stalking me! :>
[00:07] <scarabeus> and of course our lovely herd testers are also smart, and hate their leader obviously :D
[00:08] <Riddell> Sime: python-marble is in my PPA now https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa
[00:08] <scarabeus> or fear?
[00:08] <scarabeus> :}
[00:08] <Sput> scarabeus: no, I like jmbsvicetto :P
[00:08] <scarabeus> :]
[00:10] <rgreening> omg, say hi to jmbsvicetto for me
[00:10] <rgreening> :)
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> damn, talk about the attack of the Gentoo doods :P
[00:14] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I once loved the way of the cow :)
[00:14] <rgreening> still do...
[00:15] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: apt-get moo
[00:15] <rgreening> :P
[00:15] <rgreening> we're everywhere
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> aptitude moo
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> aptitude moo -v
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> aptitude moo -vv
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> aptitude moo -vvv
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> etc
[00:17] <rgreening> I know
[00:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I updated bzr branch for kdelibs. We just need a core-dev (Riddell or similar) to push out a new rev.
[00:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: so at least we have some patch for flash :)
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> :)
[00:20] <rgreening> and there's still some time for the other patch...
[00:20] <rgreening> lol
[00:23] <shtylman_> so...I am stuck
[00:24] <shtylman_> I want to find the translation file for the user interface of ubiquity (english version) but have no idea where to look in the source tree
[00:24] <shtylman_> where are the translations usually kept?
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> I think it's mainly translated on Launchpad
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> translations.launchpad.net
[00:27] <shtylman_> ubiquity doesn't do its translations through that...
[00:28] <shtylman_> :/
[00:28] <rgreening> shtylman_: is there a pot file
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> in the top of the source tree there is a po folder
[00:29] <rgreening> or .po
[00:29] <rgreening> ya
[00:29] <shtylman_> well...there are lots of pot files..but I have looked through them and can't find the english one nor the particular template entries I am looking for
[00:30] <rgreening> shtylman_: give me a string you are looking for
[00:30] <shtylman_> timezone_city_label
[00:31] <rgreening> debian/ubiquity.templates, gui/qt/liveinstaller.ui, gui/glade/stepLocation.glade: are the files it's contained in.
[00:32] <shtylman_> right...those are those are the user interface files...but during runtime certain labels get translated
[00:33] <shtylman_> and I want to find the translation files
[00:33] <rgreening> pyqt uic module does that for kde
[00:33] <Riddell> shtylman_: translations in ubiquity are strange, they're mostly done through debian-installer
[00:34] <shtylman_> actually...I think the ubiquity.template file is what I need to look at
[00:34] <Riddell> rgreening: no such file kubuntu_62_flash_installer.diff
[00:34] <Riddell> rgreening: remember to bzr add
[00:34] <Riddell> then bzr commit
[00:34] <shtylman_> Riddell: yea...the list is pulled from using debconf
[00:35] <rgreening> Riddell: doh!
[00:35] <Riddell> shtylman_: but why do you care?
[00:35] <rgreening> let me update
[00:35] <shtylman_> Riddell: to name labels correctly
[00:36] <Riddell> shtylman_: just use the same text as in the GTK one?
[00:36] <shtylman_> Riddell: so that the proper translations are used during runtime
[00:36] <Riddell> shtylman_: I'm pretty sure I've always avoided the issue by just using the same text as in the GTK one
[00:37] <shtylman_> Riddell: the text I set it to in the ui doesn't actually matter, the translation happens by looking at the object name
[00:37] <shtylman_> Riddell: and I don't have glade installed to look at the names of the gtk interface
[00:38] <shtylman_> I guess I could get glade, but I already found the template file now :/
[00:38] <Riddell> shtylman_: sudo apt-get install glade-3  :)
[00:38] <rgreening> Riddell: commit done
[00:39] <shtylman_> yea yea.... but this way I get to learn more :) ... but will install glade at some point
[00:39] <Riddell> "Tree is up to date at revision 28."
[00:39] <Riddell> rgreening: what revision are you on?
[00:39] <rgreening> 1 sec..
[00:39] <rgreening> Committed revision 29.
[00:40] <rgreening> forgot to push
[00:40] <rgreening> Riddell: ^ done now
[00:40] <Riddell> got it
[00:40] <rgreening> my brain hurts :)
[00:41] <Riddell> rgreening: that patch is pleasingly small
[00:42] <rgreening> Yeah, thanks to JontheEchidnafor finding it. and thanks to suse for making it and thanks to me for kubuntu-izing it :)
[00:42] <ghostcube> hey guys i know this is not a support channel but i have a strange problem with the kde 4.2 install of a friend of me . i updated from 4.2 beta to 4.2 final and still the network manager inside systemsettings shows network config but claims xml file cant be loaded and it hasent shipped arkonadi  any ideas what i can try except kde reinstall ?
[00:43] <Riddell> the kde 4 version of network manager is entirely unsupported, espcially in intrepid
[00:43] <Riddell> use knetworkmanager
[00:43] <ghostcube> Riddell, nah in my systemsettings network its not there this tab to add or config the interfaces
[00:44] <ghostcube> but in his version its still attached
[00:44] <ghostcube> oO
[00:44] <ghostcube> i tried reinstalling systemsettings but this didnt fix it
[00:44] <ghostcube> it just seems anything is not really upgraded
[00:44] <ghostcube> and i dont get what
[00:45] <rgreening> Riddell: I finally got KProcess to work in an app. So, now I think I can use this in my ufw-kde (If I ever get time to get back to it).
[00:45] <ghostcube> its not important only if someone hs an idea
[00:45] <Riddell> rgreening: kde4libs uploaded
[00:46] <rgreening> Riddell: awesome. one more thing to tick off the todo list
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: :D
[00:46] <ghostcube> hmm is there aynthing new about the taskbar icon garbage happening from time to time on intrepid ? is this qt patch working as it should ?
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> ghostcube: the systemsettings network config has been broken since KDE 4.0.0 and even before that
[00:47] <Riddell> rgreening: excellent! go tick!
[00:47] <rgreening> Riddell: on the way there now
[00:48] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna, hmm ok network is working fine i configuered it i just wondered about why i havent seen this thin gever for me and it appeared for his settings :) so he must live with it lol
[00:49] <rgreening> Riddell: I need some help with kpackagekit and xapian/app-install data
[00:50] <Riddell> rgreening: I'm about to sleep
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: we do have another patch for flash. It's a direct port of the KDE3 patch but I don't think we can get the KAssistantDialog logic all worked out in time. But the patch rgreening modified from suse seems to work good too
[00:50] <rgreening> Riddell: I didn't mean you necessarily. but a suggestion on people who would know would help me.
[00:50] <Riddell> rgreening: mvo?
[00:51] <rgreening> cause im stuck
[00:51] <Riddell> depends on what the question is really
[00:51] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. I'll try mvo
[00:51] <Riddell> glatzor too maybe
[00:51] <rgreening> Riddell: well, I need to use xapian to read the desktop files from app-install-data I believe to generate a simple list of available apps
[00:52] <Riddell> I don't think that needs xapian
[00:52] <rgreening> and I know nothing about xapian
[00:52] <rgreening> oh...
[00:52] <Riddell> they're just .desktop files, there's a KDE function somewhere to read them in the form of a menu
[00:52] <rgreening> Riddell: is mvo / glatzor working on any of packagekit?
[00:53] <rgreening> Riddell: oh, never though of that
[00:53] <rgreening> Riddell: would that be a part of kdeui? or kdecore?
[00:55] <Riddell> dunno
[00:55] <rgreening> wow, lots od red still on the todo. we need to get cracking
[00:55] <rgreening> wheres the whip
[00:55] <Riddell> I thought adept used it but I can't see it in the sources now
[00:56] <rgreening> Riddell: adept is using xapian (thats why I went with that tought)
[00:56] <Riddell> if you ignore ubiquity we're doing better than I expected for non-red, and ubiquity always happens late, plus now we have shtylman_ :)
[00:57] <rgreening> \o/
[00:57] <rgreening> I hate red :)
[00:57] <shtylman_> I feel loved :) (on a side note..I think you will like the map progress after tonight...I hope)
[00:58] <rgreening> shtylman_: yo da man
[01:06] <ScottK> rgreening: Did you get your pbuilder sorted?
[01:06] <rgreening> ScottK: nope
[01:07] <ScottK> OK.
[01:07]  * ScottK considers.
[01:07] <rgreening> sh: x86_64-linux-gnu-as: not found
[01:07] <rgreening> not sure why
[01:07] <rgreening> that doesn't exist, so notsure what package it is missing
[01:07] <ScottK> Excessive declination.  You're too far north for it to work.
[01:08] <Riddell> rgreening: hmm dunno I'm afraid
[01:08] <rgreening> if you could part with YOUR depends, then you'd be able to help me with mine
[01:09] <Riddell> rgreening: maybe try asking on kde-devel list or somewhere
[01:09] <rgreening> ScottK: ^ :)
[01:09]  * Riddell sleeps
[01:09] <rgreening> Riddell: I found it
[01:09] <Riddell> rgreening: oh?
[01:09] <rgreening> KDesktopFile class in kdecore
[01:09] <rgreening> :)
[01:09] <rgreening> Im starting to love api.kde.org
[01:10] <rgreening> scary stuff
[01:16] <ScottK> rgreening: Are you trying to cross compile for ia32?
[01:18] <rgreening> ScottK: Im running 64 bit, the app is wine 1.1.15, and I think it is making a 32 version to run on this system
[01:18] <rgreening> dunno though.
[01:18] <rgreening> x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -m32 -c -I. -I. -I../../include -I../../include  -D__WINESRC__  -D_REENTRANT -fPIC -Wall -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wwrite-strings -Wtype-limits -Wpointer-arith  -Wall -g -O2  -o main.o main.c
[01:18] <rgreening> ../../tools/winegcc/winegcc -b x86_64-linux-gnu -m32 -B../../tools/winebuild -shared ./acledit.spec    main.o       -o acledit.dll.so  -lkernel32  ../../libs/port/libwine_port.a  -L/tmp/buildd/wine-1.1.15/debian/libtmp
[01:18] <ScottK> Got ia-32 libs?
[01:18] <rgreening> scarabeus: does that help?
[01:18] <rgreening> ScottK: ^
[01:19] <rgreening> sry scarabeus meant ScottK
[01:19] <rgreening> ScottK: in pbuilder... hmm... 1 sec
[01:20] <rgreening> ScottK: yep
[01:20] <ScottK> OK.  I don't know at all what your exact problem is, but it's related to some gnu linux wrapper fro cross compiling.
[01:20] <ScottK> fro/for
[01:20] <rgreening> yeah, cant find the assembler
[01:20] <ScottK> That's what Mr. Google seems to indicate.
[01:21] <rgreening> I got that much
[01:21] <rgreening> :)
[01:21]  * ScottK knows zip about that.
[01:21] <rgreening> lol
[01:21] <rgreening> ok, Im demoting you from "da man"
[01:21] <rgreening> :P
[01:21] <ScottK> As a guess, I'd guess looking in /lib instead of /lib32
[01:22] <ScottK> Most 64 bit distros put 64 bit stuff in /lib and 32 bit stuff in /lib32.
[01:22] <ScottK> We do /lib64 and /lib IIRC.
[01:22] <rgreening> ScottK: I think i'll give up on hat. I just wanted a wine for jaunty... and Scott Richie hasn't made a new one yet :)
[01:40] <rgreening> ScottK: Is there a way I can get an accurate history of what packages were installed and when? regardless of using packagekit, adept, or apt?
[01:45] <ScottK> /var/log
[01:45] <ScottK> Grep your dpkg logs.
[02:34] <rgreening> arby: you broke SDL on nVidia cards with your recent SDL update. I don't know why, I just know it is so.
[02:48]  * ScottK notes a SDL mail to the motu ML with patch.
[05:36] <rgreening> shtylman: hey
[05:37] <shtylman> rgreening: hey
[05:39] <rgreening> how is ubiquity going
[05:39] <shtylman> pretty good...I have been hammering away at the timezone stuff
[05:39] <shtylman> basically a complete re-write for the map and stuff
[05:39] <rgreening> cool
[05:39] <shtylman> and improvements on the selection process
[05:40] <ScottK> shtylman: Please make it possible for me to pick UTC.  That doesn't have a place on the map ...
[05:40] <shtylman> its similar to the gtk interface except I have found a few errors with how they locate cities
[05:40] <shtylman> ScottK: what do you mean? can I get more info about how you would like to select that?
[05:41] <ScottK> It's a minor point for desktops, but servers you often want the system clock in UTC.
[05:42] <ScottK> I'm not sure what your new interface will be like, but if it's just click on a map, a TZ like UTC that doesn't have a location would be impossible
[05:42] <rgreening> and St. John's is NOT -4:30 its -3:30
[05:42] <ScottK> Maybe a spot on the ocean with UTC and a checkbox to select.
[05:43] <shtylman> when you select utc what becomes the region/city?
[05:43] <rgreening> shtylman: in the current installer, the tz for st.john's shows as -4;30 for some reason.
[05:44] <shtylman> what region is that?
[05:44] <shtylman> sorry for my lack of geo knowledge :(
[05:44] <rgreening> shtylman: America/St_johns I think
[05:45] <shtylman> indeed...and you are right..it shows as -4
[05:45] <rgreening> -3:30 utc
[05:45] <shtylman> its like right on the border
[05:45] <rgreening> we are a half tz
[05:45] <rgreening> :)
[05:45] <shtylman> wow
[05:45] <shtylman> special...arn't yall
[05:45] <rgreening> yup and proud of it :)
[05:46] <shtylman> well, I can talk to the other installer people..basically a database would have to be updated because all the timezone data is parsed from a file
[05:46] <shtylman> usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab
[05:47] <rgreening> the tz stuff on the system is right, so why is there a difference then? america/st<-johns works as a tz from tz data package
[05:48] <rgreening> that file is just lat/long for the map
[05:49] <rgreening> yes?
[05:49] <shtylman> yea..
[05:50] <shtylman> regreening..I am looking at the st. johns thing... right now I am unclear about one thing..and thats the date offset, I get back data on timesones as a delta from 0...and for st johns it is -1 day 20:30 (HH:MM)
[05:51] <shtylman> according to my calculations that should be @ -3:30 like you said
[05:51] <rgreening> yes
[05:52] <shtylman> so...I have good news for you
[05:52] <shtylman> I know what is causing it..and I think I can fix it...
[05:52] <rgreening> :)
[05:53] <shtylman> it has to do with how I (and the gtk ubiquity guys) did the calculation for the primary hour zone to put cities in...
[05:54] <shtylman> we go right from seconds to hours and truncate...but that causes problems for stuff like this
[05:54] <rgreening> and this isnt tje only :30 tz
[05:54] <shtylman> yep
[05:56] <ScottK> shtylman: UTC is UTC.  It doesn't have a location or region.
[05:58] <shtylman> k
[05:58] <shtylman> I will think about how to add that (but a question...don't server installs normally use the non-gui version?)
[06:05] <a|wen> shtylman: when you change the tz calc, be sure that you support :15 and :45 tz (they exist as well) ... check katmandu nepal, to be sure you've got it right
[06:06] <rgreening> a|wen: wow.. didnt know that
[06:06] <shtylman> k
[06:06] <rgreening> :)
[06:06] <a|wen> rgreening: they just do that to confuse you, i think :P
[06:06] <rgreening> heh
[06:08] <ScottK> shtylman: Server installs do use the non-gui version, but there may be other reasons why one might want the system clock in UTC.  The DE can still be in a local TZ.
[06:09] <rgreening> I set the bios in utc before i start my install
[06:10] <a|wen> ScottK: we got the printer applet bug confirmed, yay ... if we know it works in jaunty, then please throw a comment, and then we are good to go
[06:10] <shtylman> ScottK: gotcha...ok..added to my todo list
[06:10] <rgreening> so system is utc but desktop clock adjusts
[06:11] <rgreening> anyone play neverwinter nights linux client?
[06:11] <ScottK> a|wen: I don't know about Jaunty, but it's assigned to Riddell, so I'm sure he'll get it.
[06:11] <a|wen> rgreening: there are three layers... bios, system, DE; bios is (normally always) in UTC, system can be UTC or local TZ, and DE is users choice ;)
[06:11] <ScottK> a|wen: The bigger thing is it turns out the xinlib bug needs to be reverified.
[06:11] <ScottK> rgreening: yes.
[06:12] <rgreening> ScottK: yes to nwn?
[06:12] <ScottK> rgreening: No, yes t0 [01:10:41] <rgreening> so system is utc but desktop clock adjusts
[06:13] <rgreening> oh, that was a statement of what I do
[06:13] <a|wen> ScottK: do we have any reliable way to get xine-lib to crash ... ould i couldn't manage to do it
[06:14] <rgreening> there's an sdl issue with the last libsdl and nVidia c ards. causes a segfault
[06:14] <ScottK> rgreening: Did you see the mail to MOTU ml.
[06:14] <ScottK> a|wen: Dunno.
[06:15] <ScottK> a|wen: I do know your sytem needs to be in a particular affected locale and I think you need Gnome too.
[06:15] <rgreening> not sure if I sub to that one
[06:15] <rgreening> ScottK: anything in particular you wanted me to see?
[06:16] <ScottK> rgreening: I didn't follow the link, but alledgely it was linked to a bug with a patch.
[06:16] <a|wen> ScottK: oh, great; not something i have around ... i tried in a chroot with all the locales mentioned as problematic in the bug
[06:16]  * ScottK neither.
[06:17] <rgreening> ScottK: can you fwd to me?
[06:18] <a|wen> did we find out whether we would go with kile for kde3 or kde4?
[06:18] <ScottK> rgreening: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-February/005460.html
[06:18] <rgreening> ty ScottK
[06:18] <ScottK> NP
[06:19] <rgreening> ScottK: it worked until arby rebuilt to remove arts
[06:19] <ScottK> yeah.  All I know is what I read in the bug.
[06:19] <ScottK> bug/mail
[06:20] <rgreening> ScottK: so I rolled my friends libsdl back to prev and it cleared things up
[06:21] <rgreening> that was 4ubuntu1
[06:21]  * ScottK is about to fall over from tiredness (3 hours sleep last night) so can't really focus.
[06:22] <rgreening> lol
[06:23] <rgreening> ScottK: whats even more strange is it works fine on my system with the same updates, but I have an intel (non binary) driver :)
[06:23] <rgreening> strange indeed
[06:26] <shtylman> yay!...I have found the proper way to render city locations
[06:26] <shtylman> aka...calculate the pixel location..
[06:26] <rgreening> \o/
[06:26] <shtylman> now cities are actually where they are in real life
[06:27] <shtylman> (also...the st. johns problem is fixed)
[06:27] <rgreening> wheee
[06:27] <shtylman> local time there is 2:57... etc?
[06:27] <rgreening> yup
[06:27] <shtylman> you should be asleep :p
[06:27] <rgreening> lol
[06:27] <rgreening> night owl
[06:28] <shtylman> I know all about that
[06:28] <rgreening> heh
[06:28] <ScottK> So I don't know if you all have been following the ctrl-alt-backspace on ubuntu-devel-discuss, but when one person wrote, "So the options are ....", I wrote in "... or switch to Kubuntu, we have a gui to renable it", that got one response, "Yeah, I did that."
[06:29] <a|wen> lol :D
[06:29] <shtylman> sweet!
[06:29] <rgreening> haha :P
[06:29] <rgreening> alert malone
[06:30] <rgreening> albert even
[06:30] <rgreening> he's our godsend for adding that
[06:31] <rgreening> the gnome guys should have added it (it is quite simple)
[06:31] <ScottK> After that, _MMA_ PM'ed me to ask about it because they want to add it for Ubuntu Studio.  I sent hom to Alberto.
[06:31] <ScottK> hom/him
[06:32] <rgreening> :P
[06:32] <ScottK> rgreening: You clearly don't understand how confusing choice is to the user.
[06:32] <ScottK> ;-)
[06:32] <rgreening> hehe
[06:33] <ScottK> I happen to know the person that replied and she wasn't kidding.  She did switch.
[06:33] <ScottK> She was bitching about the lack of choice and so I told her she sounded like she should be a KDE user.
[06:33] <ScottK> So she tried it and there you go.
[06:34] <rgreening> our new slogan "Kubuntu - we are pro-choice"
[06:35] <rgreening> ;)
[06:35] <ScottK> That might upset vorian.  He's pretty conservative.
[06:35] <ScottK> I hope he knows that's a joke.
[06:36] <shtylman> I commited my changes for anyone interested
[06:37] <shtylman> lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kdeui
[06:37] <rgreening> schweeeetttt
[06:37] <shtylman> the major change is to the timezone panel...(hopefully nothing else broke ... )
[06:40] <rgreening> ScottK: I'd like to map CTRL+ALT+BS to logout...
[06:40] <rgreening> that would be funny
[06:40] <rgreening> :P
[06:40] <shtylman> ScottK: I will look at the utc thing tomorrow (or later) as I think I am gonna turn in for the night
[06:41] <ScottK> Get core dev and you can try it.
[06:41] <ScottK> shtylman: OK.  Thanks for all your work.
[06:41] <rgreening> :P
[06:41] <shtylman> night guys
[06:41] <rgreening> nn
[09:57] <Tonio_> rgreening: pong (a bit late though...)
[09:58] <Tonio_> rgreening: rgreeningsorry for that, I wasn't in front of the computer...
[10:11] <jussi01> oh grumblefish... my jaunty has no sound in flash!
[10:55] <Quintasan> hmm, How do I compile packages which require libraries that are not in repositories? (TinyXML and Dbus++
[10:56] <Tm_T> Quintasan: I guess you have to package those requirements too
[11:01] <Quintasan> Tm_T: ok I'll try
[11:21] <Tscheesy> ScottK: the KDE4.2 Ports are not here : http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ - is there a Repo available for the Arm-Ports?
[11:21] <Tm_T> Tscheesy: that's for jaunty?
[11:21] <Quintasan> Tm_T: Seems too hard for me :)
[11:21] <Quintasan> vorian: ping
[11:22] <Tscheesy> Tm_T: for all dists - i' d need jaunty yes
[11:22] <Tm_T> Tscheesy: hmmm, ppa isn't helpful on this?
[11:23] <Tscheesy> yes - if all for "kubuntu-desktop" is in the same
[11:23] <Tm_T> Tscheesy: dunno if arm builds are made in kubuntu experimental
[11:24] <Tscheesy> can give it a try
[11:33] <Tscheesy> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ looks empty on arm.. i'll try http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu.. unfo i have a feedback if it work's after 2h..
[11:49] <Tscheesy> Tm_T : no - for RootFS_from_Scratch the ports seem to have to be in a Repo like ports.ubuntu.com - Arm Only..
[11:51] <Tm_T> Tscheesy: hrrrr
[11:53] <jussi01> erm my sound is a bit weird today... Ive no sound in flash, or in vlc, however dragonplayer and amarok are fine....
[11:53] <Tm_T> jussi01: they use different sound device?
[12:36] <Tonio_> hi Kubuntu !
[12:38] <jussi01> heya Tonio_
[12:38] <Tonio_> if anyone is interested.... there's a frescobaldi package waiting on revu for kde4
[13:01] <Tonio__> just a stupid question, but I'm packaging a GPLv3 QT4 app...
[13:01] <Tonio__> that's still an issue as long as we don't have qt4.5 in the repos right ?
[13:02] <Tm_T> Tonio_: mmm, howso?
[13:02] <Tonio_> Tm_T: bah afaik qt4.4 is still gplv2 only
[13:02] <Tonio_> Tm_T: and we can't link it with a gpl v3 app....
[13:02] <Tm_T> Tonio_: hmmm, I thought it was v2+ atleast
[13:03] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hum... lemme look on that point
[13:03] <Tm_T> Tonio_: qtsoftware.com should have licence information
[13:06] <Tonio_> Tm_T: great, that's fixed ;)
[13:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: qt is gpl 2 or 3
[13:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, I thought the change was only starting with 4.4
[13:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about that, is there a reason we have 4.3 and not 4.4 in the archives ?
[13:14] <Riddell> Qt has been gpl 2+3 since the KDE 4.0 release. We have qt 4.4.3
[13:16] <Tonio_> hum, why does it fail to find it then.... talking about an app that claim I have 4.3, not 4.4...
[13:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum oki, sorry for the stupid question...
[13:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: so the recent changes for qt was only the now lgpl v3 thing right ?
[13:17]  * Tonio_ is not very interested in the licence stuff, to be honnest :) bsd rocks
[13:23] <Tm_T> Tonio_: <3
[13:24] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hehe
[13:32] <smarter_> Tonio_: lgplv3 is supposed to come with Qt 4.5, yes
[13:33] <smarter_> *lgplv2 actually
[13:33] <Tonio_> smarter_: oki
[13:33] <smarter_> which apparently will be problematic because lgpl v2 doesn't handle c++ templates or something
[13:34]  * Tonio_ once again sees that BSD licence is way, way, way, way, way easier to handle....
[14:40] <ScottK> Tonio_: mok0 advocated kcometen4, so you can upload it (see his comment on REVU though).
[14:41] <Tonio_> ScottK: already uploaded and lintian file added :)
[14:41] <Tonio_> ScottK: I was about to archive on revu ;)
[14:41] <ScottK> Tonio_: OK.  Then I won't.
[14:43] <Tonio_> ScottK: but maybe then you can get it out from NEW ? ;)
[14:44] <ScottK> Probably not today.  Source New is the trickiest archive task there is.  I'm easing into that one.
[14:46] <a|wen> ScottK: can you remember if we planned getting kile kde4 version into jaunty?
[14:46] <ScottK> a|wen: I don't.
[14:47] <ScottK> a|wen: Generally if it's working, I think it's good.
[14:47] <Tonio_> ScottK: oki !
[14:48] <a|wen> ScottK: i'm not sure if it works or not; but thought maybe someone had a test-package at some point
[14:48]  * a|wen just noted that the current version FTBFS in a few ways ... but wouldn't spend time fixing if we were grapping the new version
[14:49] <Tonio_> rgreening: fyi, I won't be there toonight, but you can send me all you need by email...
[14:49] <ScottK> Sounds like a good argument to be moving to the new version.
[14:49] <Tonio_> rgreening: I can fix the package and bzr archive for kpackagekit, including your patch and so on
[14:50] <Tonio_> rgreening: if hopefully I'm not too much drunk when I get back home :)
[14:54] <a|wen> my thought indeed
[16:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you just copy kdebase-workspace and kdebluetooth to -updates?
[16:20] <rgreening> Tonio_: hey
[16:20] <Tonio_> rgreening: oy !
[16:20] <rgreening> :)
[16:21] <rgreening> Tonio_: my latest patch for kpackagekit is in the latest version
[16:21] <rgreening> deb (I mean)
[16:21] <Tonio_> rgreening: where ? ;)
[16:21] <rgreening> apt-get source kpackagekit
[16:22] <rgreening> should get you the latest update (check the changelog)
[16:22] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[16:22] <rgreening> Tonio_: the patch name is the same as the previous, I just updated it
[16:22] <rgreening> diff against the prev version should show you what you want
[16:23] <rgreening> to update
[16:23] <Tonio_> rgreening: great
[16:23] <rgreening> :)
[16:23] <Tonio_> rgreening: what about the other patch ? not included yet ?
[16:23] <Tonio_> the one showing categories ?
[16:23] <rgreening> Tonio_: im still working that one
[16:24] <Tonio_> oki
[16:24] <rgreening> Tonio_: Im close though. I got some suggestiopns from Riddell last evening
[16:25] <rgreening> Tonio_: my laptop died the other day and that put me behind a couple of day as I had to buy a new one and set it all up again.
[16:25] <Tonio_> rgreening: bzr updated
[16:25] <rgreening> Tonio_: ummm... that was quick
[16:25] <rgreening> :P
[16:25] <Tonio_> rgreening: bah cp, bzr status, bzr add, bzr commit :)
[16:25] <Tonio_> rgreening: what else ? :)
[16:26] <rgreening> :)
[16:26] <Tonio_> rgreening: I may go offline for a couple of minutes.... I need to test kdepim networkstatus support
[16:26] <rgreening> kk
[16:26] <Tonio_> rgreening: I just activated it with kopete so that it dynamically connects when network-manager connects
[16:27]  * Tonio_ goes offline
[16:27] <Tonio_> nah, that won't work with kmail right now...
[16:28]  * Tonio_ investigates
[16:38] <Tonio_> hum, kdepimlibs has some code for networkstatus support..... weird
[16:38] <Tonio_> dunno if that's a bug or missing feature...
[16:42] <rgreening> Riddell: Does the restricted extras install work for 64 bit? Or how is it triggerred? I have a clean install here and not getting any opportunity to install these goodies from update-notifier
[16:50] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/329203
[16:51] <rgreening> I got that one here as well. quite annoying.
[16:51] <rgreening> Tonio_: know if there any updates for power devil?
[16:52] <rgreening> hmm... bug 312549 reports to fix it....
[16:53] <rgreening> hey rickspencer3.
[16:53] <rgreening> keeping busy
[16:56] <jussi01> rgreening: hows package kit coming along?
[16:57] <rgreening> good
[16:57] <jussi01> :)
[16:57] <rgreening> Are you on jaunty yet :P
[16:58] <rgreening> jussi01: ^
[16:58]  * jussi01 feels like he just reported the stupidest bug ever... but I cant think right now so meh (Im sure someone will tell me all the things I left out and how useless it is) :)
[16:58] <jussi01> rgreening: yep
[16:58] <rgreening> lol
[16:58] <jussi01> rgreening: bug 329466 ;)
[16:59] <rgreening> jussi01: well, I always thought 2 heads are better than one, but 3? :P
[16:59] <jussi01> hehe
[17:00] <jussi01> rgreening: its increadably frustrating though
[17:00] <rgreening> I imagine. I dont have a setup with more than one screen. Lappy only for me
[17:15] <jussi01> rgreening: you have any idea why half my apps that output sound dont work? (flash, vlc dont work, dragon player, amarok, skype do work) ??
[17:15] <rgreening> jussi01: have you updated recently?
[17:16] <rgreening> jussi01: there was a sound update that broke and then fixed things...
[17:16] <jussi01> rgreening: this morning...
[17:16] <jussi01> oh
[17:16] <jussi01> Ill try updating
[17:16] <rgreening> and then do a clean boot
[17:16] <jussi01> ok
[17:17] <jussi01> I just love this :D 1161kB/s 39s
[17:19] <a|wen-> jussi01: not fair :P ... I'm jumping with joy when mine says 31kB/s
[17:19] <jussi01> :D
[17:21] <jussi01> brb, doing a clean boot
[17:22] <Sput> 1116 kB is not that much, is it
[17:23] <Sput> that's only a 10 mbit connection or so
[17:24] <a|wen-> Sput: about that, yes ...
[17:25] <Sput> meh, that's so 2005 :)
[17:26]  * a|wen- has 256 kbit right now
[17:26] <Sput> ugh
[17:27] <a|wen-> i didn't remember it being so slow :P
[17:28]  * Sput has 32 mbit and is quite happy with that
[17:29] <a|wen-> i think i'm gonna love my shared 8 mbit when i get back to europe (usually gives me 2-4 mbit)
[17:29]  * Sput doesn't need to share
[17:29] <Sput> cable ftw :)
[17:29] <Sput> where are you right now?
[17:31] <a|wen-> hehe :)
[17:31] <a|wen-> in thailand
[17:33] <a|wen-> bit of a downgrade i must admit
[17:34] <Sput> well, it could be worse...
[17:34] <Sput> I had friends in the US still being on 56k
[17:34] <a|wen-> you're right
[17:35] <jussi01> heheh
[17:35] <jussi01> rgreening: still no sound :/
[17:36] <a|wen-> Sput: i was in bhutan last year ... outside the capital we tried finding 56k; but that was simply not possible
[17:39] <jussi01> rgreening: did you see my last comment before you left?
[17:39] <rgreening> I see now. hmm.. strange
[17:41] <ScottK> jussi01: Do you have pulse audio running?
[17:41] <jussi01> ScottK: hrm, why would I? (goes to check)
[17:42] <jussi01> doesnt look like it...
[17:42] <ScottK> OK.  Some of what you listed is known not to play well with pulse, so ...
[17:42] <a|wen-> ScottK: looks like 4.1.4 is copied :)
[17:43] <ScottK> All of it or some of it?
[17:43] <jussi01> ScottK: weel when I open system monitor and search for pulse Ive got nothing
[17:43] <ScottK> No ideas then.
[17:43] <a|wen-> ScottK: as far as i can tell, all of it
[17:43] <ScottK> Kewl.
[17:44] <a|wen-> ScottK: do we have anything as part of the batch with a version not containing 4.1.4 (some underlying things)?
[17:45] <ScottK> The xinelibs one and kdebluetooth (I know kdebluetooth got copied)
[17:45] <a|wen-> ScottK: the xine-lib isn't copied, but the rest is
[17:45] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks for checking.
[17:46] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm not sure who copied the 4.1.4 stuff over, but xinelib needs to get verified and copied over too ...
[17:46] <a|wen-> do you want to mass-close the SRU-bugs, or should I?
[17:46] <ScottK> a|wen-: Go for it.
[17:47]  * a|wen- starts from the top
[17:55] <a|wen-> ScottK: done
[18:00] <ScottK> a|wen-: Excellent.
[18:01] <a|wen-> how is the 8.04.2 going? out?
[18:02] <ScottK> Testing - done.  Release announcement - Done.  I think on Monday.
[18:02] <ScottK> It has to be coordinated with Canonical IS.
[18:02] <a|wen-> ScottK: okay, cool ... will we have any announcement for 4.1.4?
[18:03] <ScottK> That should go on kubuntu.org.
[18:03]  * ScottK looks at ryanakca.
[18:04] <ScottK> ryanakca: It'd also be good if we could get https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Kubuntu/ReleaseAnnouncement.2 pre-copied onto kubuntu.org so the release mail can link to it.
[18:05] <ScottK> It might be nice if somone wrote a little announcement congratulating Debian on releasing Lenny that we could also put on kubuntu.org.
[18:06] <a|wen-> when is that going to be released?
[18:13] <ScottK> Today
[18:13] <ScottK> In a few hours.  They are building CD images now.
[18:13] <a|wen-> oh, cool
[18:44] <ScottK> Riddell: libpackagekit-qt2 looks like it landed in Universe so kpackagekit is currently unbuildable.
[18:49] <Cruster> hey there, the "system connection" option in network manager it's grayed out because it's not supported yet, or is there a problem with my computer?
[19:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna or vorian (or any other MOTU): On power pc, all of KDE core is built (one last build still going) and extragear is requeued.  If you know of other stuff (like plasma-widgets) that needs retried, now would be a really good time while nothing else is pending.
[19:03] <ScottK> nhandler: ^^^
[19:03] <ScottK> Who else is here ...
[19:04] <jussi01> ScottK: do you know if we have koffice2 beta packages?
[19:04]  * jussi01 huggles ScottK
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: the !  ninjas trigger would probably do it
[19:04] <ScottK> jussi01: In some PPA.  Don't recall which.
[19:04] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: True.
[19:04] <ScottK> But that'd also get a lot of people who aren't MOTU and they don't have the magic retry button.
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> True.
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> We should fix that and get them all to become MOTUs :D
[19:05] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:06] <ScottK> smarter could do some too.
[19:06]  * ScottK needs to run off, so won't be here to push the button for people.
[19:08]  * ScottK also notes that pimlibs just started on ia64, so we're making progress there too.
[20:16] <jussi01> rgreening: around?
[20:22] <jussi01> rgreening: when you do come back, lets just say I embarrased myself slightly with the sound ;) (it works now)
[20:59] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK: could you sponsor digikam/kipi-plugins upload (new rc2)?
[20:59] <Lure> tested packages are available in digikam-experimental ppa - you just need to remove ~jaunty~ppa1 from version
[21:01] <ScottK> Lure: possibly in some hours, but not now.
[21:02] <Lure> ScottK: ok, thanks
[21:37] <txwikinger> ScottK: I have remove arts from ichthux
[21:37] <ScottK> txwikinger: Great.  Thanks.
[21:37] <txwikinger> ScottK: can you sponsor the two packages?
[21:38] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:38] <ScottK> But probably not until later.
[21:38] <ScottK> Give me a link and I'll get to it when I can.
[21:38] <txwikinger> Bug #329517
[21:38] <ScottK> Got it.
[21:38] <txwikinger> and Bug #320915
[21:39] <txwikinger> Thanks
[21:39] <txwikinger> I tested the build on my ppa and installed it from there on jaunty without problem
[21:39] <ScottK> Great.
[21:41]  * txwikinger will now look at the systemsettings issue again
[21:42] <txwikinger> Do we have a plugin into systemsettings in jaunty that is pykde4?
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> txwikinger: system-config-printer-kde is with the latest updates
[22:04] <shtylman_> how come quassel was chosen over konversation?
[22:04] <nhandler> shtylman_: konversation wasn't ported to kde4 iirc
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> by the looks of things konversation-kde4 should be good-to-go for Jaunty+1
[22:05]  * JontheEchidna is out for a bit
[22:05] <shtylman_> ahh ok
[22:05] <shtylman_> that makes sense...cause I miss konversation :(
[22:05] <shtylman_> *cause
[22:07] <txwikinger> Thanks JontheEchidna
[22:19] <ScottK> shtylman: It's still on the dvd, just not installed by default.
[22:20] <shtylman_> regreening: have you started to takle the partitioning portions of the installer yet?
[22:20] <Riddell> ScottK: libpackagekit-qt11 is the current one, libpackagekit-qt2 is obsolete
[22:20] <ScottK> Ah.
[22:22]  * ScottK investigates some more then.
[22:22] <Riddell> ScottK: did you say 4.1.4 has been copied over?
[22:22] <maco> what language is kmail done in?
[22:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes, but not the xinelibs thing.
[22:22] <ScottK> maco: c++ just like almost everything in KDE.
[22:23] <Riddell> ScottK: does that mean stuff is broken?
[22:23] <maco> ScottK: ok.
[22:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Only in .it and .de and if you're using xinelib.
[22:24] <ScottK> So yes.
[22:24] <ScottK> Riddell: It'd be really handy if someone could reverify xinelib and copy it and the translations sooner rather than later.
[22:25] <Riddell> no word from lool I take it?
[22:25] <Riddell> no
[22:25] <ScottK> Nope.
[22:26] <Riddell> I'm not sure I know how to verify that xinelib thing
[22:27] <ScottK> I'm sure I don't.
[22:27] <ScottK> Riddell: In other news we're fully built on powerpc now.
[22:27] <maco> so if i wanted to try to help with fixing bugs n such in kde apps, any of you have a good reference for someone like me that's only worked with C & GNOME and wants to switch to C++ & KDE...or at least something to show how to go from C to C++?
[22:28] <Riddell> ScottK: go Power!
[22:28] <ScottK> Riddell: I think ^^^ is a question for you.
[22:29] <Riddell> hi maco
[22:29] <maco> hi
[22:30] <Riddell> maco: depends on your experience, there's various c++ books e.g. the Thinking in C++ ones from this chap http://www.mindviewinc.com/Books/
[22:30] <Riddell> I expect there's books in your local book shop teaching c++ to C programmers
[22:30] <dtchen> use your library, too
[22:30] <Riddell> if you know object orientated programming, it's probably not hard
[22:31] <Riddell> especially since GTK uses a cludgy version of object orientated anyway
[22:31] <maco> dtchen: want to take a jab at my OOP skills now like you always do when you see the Java i write?
[22:31] <Riddell> so maybe you want a more Qt focused introduction, there's a few of them too, e.g. http://cartan.cas.suffolk.edu/moin/OopDocbookWiki
[22:31] <dtchen> huh?
[22:32] <Riddell> http://nostarch.com/qt4.htm
[22:32] <Riddell> then of course there's the KDE tutorials here http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials
[22:33] <Riddell> but most of all just get stuck in to looking at the code, best thing it to find a wee bug which annoys you and fix it
[22:34] <maco> Riddell: ok. thank you for the links. ill look through them.
[22:35] <Riddell> and of course you can ask here and #kde-devel and the kde-devel mailing list if you get stuck
[22:35] <Lure> maco: you may want to check this online books:
[22:35] <Lure> http://cartan.cas.suffolk.edu/oopdocbook/opensource/
[22:35] <Lure> http://www.qtrac.eu/C++-GUI-Programming-with-Qt-4-1st-ed.zip
[22:35] <maco> i'm planning on using Qt4 for a school project, so fairly soon i'll be in sink-or-swim mode
[22:35] <maco> Lure: thanks
[22:36] <Lure> maco: for general C++ book I suggest "Accelerated C++" for people that move from C
[22:37] <maco> ok