[00:00] <TheMuso> Nice to know some people care about ports around here. :)
[00:01] <directhex> i care about ports
[00:02] <directhex> who wants to help fix media handling in moonlight on big endian arches. anyone?
[00:02] <TheMuso> directhex: Whats the problem exactly?
[00:03] <Riddell> I'm sure Microsoft would be happy to help :)
[00:03] <TheMuso> heh
[00:03] <directhex> TheMuso, some bug in the demuxer
[00:03] <TheMuso> ah
[00:04] <TheMuso> Count me out. :)
[00:06] <dtchen> TheMuso: what are some disadvantages of reverting PA's 0004_disable_autospawn.patch?
[00:06] <sistpoty> directhex: /me would probably spot endienass problems, as he's a cause of them in a number of own-written files *g*
[00:07] <TheMuso> dtchen: If people have pulseaudio installed on a {k,x,myth}(u)buntu install, and go to use an alsa app, it will start, and possibly cause them confusion when things don't behave as expected.
[00:07] <directhex> sistpoty, well, feel free to take a look. there's an open upstream bug... https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443688
[00:07] <TheMuso> dtchen: THats one off the top of my head.,
[00:07] <TheMuso> or if a user disables pulse for GNOME, but still has it installed, it will start anyway.
[00:08] <sistpoty> directhex: that bug isn't saying very much? any hint to a file?
[00:09] <dtchen> yeah, i was thinking of those, but i'm weighing those against the nonexistent stream/connection refused bugs
[00:09] <savvas> hm..
[00:09] <dtchen> ^ TheMuso
[00:09] <TheMuso> dtchen: Right.
[00:09] <savvas> realtek ethernet is not working in intrepid -11-generic, it worked fine in -9-generic - here's the diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117888/
[00:10] <dtchen> TheMuso: how do you feel about setting tsched=0 in default.pa for the next upload?
[00:10] <TheMuso> dtchen: Very strongly in fact.
[00:10] <TheMuso> savvas: What realtek chip exactly? I am using a realtek onboard device here with no issues.
[00:10] <dtchen> TheMuso: strongly opposed to or in favour of?
[00:10] <directhex> sistpoty, upstream would know more. at a guess, something in src/asf/
[00:10] <TheMuso> dtchen: Strongly in favour of.
[00:11] <sistpoty> directhex: /me downloads...
[00:11] <dtchen> TheMuso: ok
[00:12] <savvas> TheMuso: I'm helping out a user, here's the working set of lspci -nnv: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117874/
[00:14] <TheMuso> savvas: right thats not my chip./
[00:14] <TheMuso> dtchen: If you are on a role with the pulse branch, feel free to throw those changes in yours, and I'll just mergte and upload when I next get to the audio stack, which will be Monday at the earliest.
[00:14] <TheMuso> Since I am not currently working, I intend to spend time on other things that I care about as a community member.
[00:20] <TheMuso> Yay, now new kernels can be on ports disks.
[00:25] <dtchen> TheMuso: yep, already pushed to my branch, but i'm going to test the autospawn change more heavily before i commit it
[00:26] <TheMuso> dtchen: Sure.
[00:29] <sistpoty> directhex: sorry, can't help you right now... I just can't find any src/asf (or anything that might relate to it)
[00:30] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:18]  * calc thought xubuntu was supposed to be lighter weight than gnome but seems about the same with jaunty
[02:23] <TheMuso> calc: its XFCE 4.6, so theres a chance that some optimization has not yet been done.
[02:44] <calc> TheMuso: ah ok
[02:44] <calc> TheMuso: well both gnome and xfce seem to take ~ 280MB after boot
[02:44] <calc> TheMuso: i'm not sure if 280MB is high or low for them
[02:44] <TheMuso> Right
[02:45] <TheMuso> I thought you meant speed
[02:45] <calc> ah ok, i thought it used less memory as well, but maybe not
[02:45] <TheMuso> I don't know either.
[02:48] <TheMuso> ScottK: lol qt4-11 eventually built.
[02:49] <ScottK> TheMuso: Yeah.  Third time was the charm.
[02:49] <cody-somerville> ScottK, Sounds good (re: motu-release delegation for Xubuntu)
[02:49] <ScottK> OK.
[03:17] <TheMuso> This rt package needs to be refactored a lot, and since realtime is now in git, /c
[03:17] <TheMuso> woops wrong channel
[05:28] <ScottK> TheMuso: Congratulations again.  All ports arch in one upload.
[05:28] <ScottK> TheMuso: Have you considering getting linux-ports listed in p-a-s so it doesn't try to build on archs it's not relevant for?
[05:28] <TheMuso> ScottK: Yeah, I am pleased. I got meta uploaded too, so I can now go ahead and change ports disks.
[05:28] <TheMuso> ScottK: p-a-s?
[05:30] <TheMuso> ScottK: considering the main kernel is not listed as such, then I don't see the need.
[05:30] <TheMuso> ScottK: I.e the main kernel still is attempted on powerpc/sparc/ia64/hppa
[05:32] <ScottK> TheMuso: Packages-arch-specific.  It's not critical, but it always seemed cleaner to me not to build on archs it's not needed for.
[05:33] <TheMuso> ScottK: I agree. How does one get that changed?
[05:34] <ScottK> There is on packages arch specifc file that is used by both Debian and Ubuntu.  It's maintained in Debian.  I don't recall (as it changed recently) the specifics, but Phil Kern mailed ubuntu-devel about it.
[05:35] <TheMuso> Hrm ok.
[05:35] <ScottK> TheMuso: The old procedure was "Ask lamont."
[05:35] <TheMuso> heh right.
[05:35] <TheMuso> Its not much of a bother really.
[05:35] <TheMuso> And would be a problem if the mobile guys decided to throw a kernel or two to ports for arm.
[05:35] <TheMuso> but thats speculating.
[05:36] <TheMuso> or any other variant/arch in fact.
[05:37] <ScottK> True.
[05:37] <ScottK> I guess particularly since there may be a new port coming soonish.
[05:38] <ScottK> Someone messed up and mentioned it here the other day.
[05:38] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:50] <StevenK> ScottK: We might end up forking P-a-s, due to stuff
[05:51] <ScottK> StevenK: I'm aware of the stuff.  But until we do ....
[10:44] <bimal> i cannot access my bluetooth . can any one help me
[10:53] <iulian> bimal: Try #ubuntu.  This channel is not for support, it is for development only, see /topic.
[10:54] <iulian> If you use Jaunty, try #ubuntu+1.
[10:54] <bimal> sorry
[11:26] <geser> doko: Hi, what are the chances to see python-central 0.6.8 in jaunty? Some packages from universe are in DEPWAIT as they want python-central >= 0.6.8 and jaunty has only 0.6.7ubuntu1.
[11:47]  * sebner winks geser =)
[11:52]  * geser winks back to sebner
[12:09] <savvas> is the default security repository security.ubuntu.com or archive.ubuntu.com ?
[12:14] <jpds> security.
[12:17] <savvas> thanks :)
[12:17] <directhex> "yes"
[12:18] <savvas> jpds: I'm asking because in jaunty because the default uses archive.ubuntu.com
[12:19] <jpds> savvas: I thought security. was best to point at, because the users wouldn't have to want for the mirrors to update to get the fixes.
[12:20] <jpds> s/want/wait/
[12:20] <savvas> good point
[12:20] <Laney> savvas: security probably hasn't been opened for jaunty
[12:20] <Laney> since updates are just done in the main archive
[12:20] <Laney> it should be there after release I guess
[12:21] <savvas> ok :)
[12:24] <geser> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-security/ exists already but is of course still empty
[12:39] <mok0> Any archive-admins online?
[12:40]  * StevenK hides
[12:41] <mok0> StevenK: heh, I would much appreciate to get bug 326172 processed, as I have watch on 2 other packages in line after that
[12:41] <mok0> StevenK: (talking about jeuclid, and after that scitools)
[12:42] <StevenK> mok0: There are no clear indications of what the Ubuntu changes are, and that the Debian package has merged them
[12:42] <StevenK> mok0: Add that to the bug and I'll process the sync
[12:43] <mok0> StevenK: ok, I'll look at it right away
[12:53] <mok0> StevenK: hope my latest comment is satisfactory
[12:59] <StevenK> mok0: Done.
[13:30] <Mez> who runs the fridge nowadays? cause someones cocked up and put their own stuff in the Calendar :D
[13:30] <nhandler> Mez: Anyone can add events to the calendar now. It is a Google Calendar
[13:31] <nhandler> Where is the personal event?
[13:31] <Mez> nhandler: only if they're given access to add events ... :D
[13:31] <nhandler> Mez: Not true
[13:32] <nhandler> Mez: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar
[13:32] <Mez> nhandler: 20/2 - "busy"
[13:32] <Mez> nhandler: I have only read access...
[13:33] <nhandler> I think I know what happened. Whoever added the Jaunty Weekly Release Meetings told gcal to "mark me as busy"
[13:33]  * Mez shrugs
[13:34] <Mez> nhandler: they've also changed the times that it was (it was originally the same times as the meeting, now changed to be different
[13:35] <jpds> Mez: Best talk to boredandblogging.
[13:36] <nhandler> You can also try pinging robbiew about it. I believe you can modify events that you add
[13:36] <geser> just noticed the descriptions for events have a google map link. It's really useful if you don't know where to find e.g. #ubuntu-meeting :)
[13:36] <jpds> ...who's not around at the moment.
[13:36] <nhandler> geser: That just got added in the most recent gcal update
[13:36] <Mez> jpds: yeah, I noticed
[13:54] <mok0> StevenK: thanks! Much appreciated!
[16:40] <btQuark> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16430/
[16:41] <btQuark> has someone already seen jan-steinhoffs driver or actually brought it to wokr?
[17:15] <LaserJock> anybody know of Ubuntu is likely to be a GSoC mentoring organization this year?
[17:15] <Mithrandir> I'd be surprised if it wasn't
[17:15] <LaserJock> it wasn't last year I don't think
[17:16] <Mithrandir> hm, indeed.
[17:16] <LaserJock> I've got 2 Edubuntu projects that I think would be perfect for it
[17:23] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure Kubuntu would have stuff too.
[17:38] <apw> pitti, ok pushed up a re-write of the suspend/resume apport support to  lp:~apw/apport/suspend-resume-pt3, this now includes a move to common messages for cli, gtk, and qt, to simplify internationlisation and has your other internationalisation concerns sorted i hope.
[20:54] <davidrod`> When I use network-manager on kde all the boxes are ghosted and it is broken.  When I use it on ubuntu it forgets my setting with a reboot.  I am sure that this is a bug
[20:56] <davidrod`> I wanted to change user to root but it won't let me.  I was thinking that there must be some permissions wrong, but on what files and where?  With BSD they tell you. With Ubuntu this is a mystery
[21:10] <ScottK> davidrod`: What release are you using?
[21:31] <davidrod`> Linux david-laptop 2.6.24-a21-generic #1 SMP Tue Oct 21 23:43:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:35] <davidrod`> It is a pain because I have no other reason to move away from ubuntu right now.  Is there some hack I can perform to write my network details into a file?
[21:39] <ion_> 0) Is that really an Ubuntu kernel? I don’t remember there being an “a21” in the version field. I might be wrong, of course. 1) Can you try upgrading to a newer Ubuntu release? 2) You can use ifupdown instead of network-manager by configuring /etc/network/interfaces.
[21:40] <ScottK> davidrod`: Alternatively since you're using KDE, use KNetworkManager.
[21:41] <davidrod`> Linux david-laptop 2.6.24-21-generic #1 SMP Tue Oct 21 23:43:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:04] <davidrod`>  I couldn't find any documentation about how to use WEP with ifup.  When I type knetworkmanager nothing happened.
[22:06] <davidrod`> Is there no readme file anyway in /usr
[22:18] <ScottK> davidrod`: KNetworkManager is part of the default kubuntu-desktop.  It should be a point-click thing.
[22:18] <ScottK> davidrod`: Also this is not a support channel so for further help you should probably ask in #kubuntu.
[22:32] <davidrod`> It has been critised with ubuntu that if it does not work out of the box, what then?  My wireless has been broken for months. There is no docs. no FAQ.  everything is aimed so low, that unless I have been developping the kernel for years I cannot find any middle ground.  I asked in #Ubuntu several times, over weeks and months.  In there they just shout "Try blackbox. NO. Fluxbox. EDuntu. Gnome. KDE. etc. etc.
[22:35] <ScottK> davidrod`: I can't tell you for sure.  It worked out of the box on Hardy for me.
[22:42] <shtylman_> davidrod: you don't use wep with ifup
[22:42] <shtylman_> davidrod: you use wep with iwconfig, ifup and down just bring up or tear down interfaces respectively
[22:43] <shtylman_> davidrod: chances are...if you can't find documentation on how to do something like that and google doesnlt help, you may be trying to pair the wrong two things and ask the question differently
[22:54] <davidrod`> well ifconfig wlan0 up does exactly the same?
[22:56] <davidrod`> I am thinking of abandonning ubuntu and going to Gentoo simply because of my wireless
[22:56] <shtylman_> davidrod: nope, iwconfig is for configuration
[22:57] <shtylman_> davidrod: ok, I mean...I think you should use what you like...but if you are abandoning ubuntu because stuff 'doesn't work out of the box' then gentoo really won't be right for you either
[22:59] <davidrod`> I don't want out of the box. I want to be able to set configuration files myself. On BSD each interface has it own file. Good idea. Manuals and FAQ explain what to do.  I hope Gentoo won't think that I am unable to type
[23:01] <shtylman_> davidrod: you can set configuration files all you want... I really don't see what your complaint is...and as stated before, its not development related so best ask in one of the support channels
[23:01] <ion_> interfaces(5)