| dtchen | i've been tracking jaunty steadily, and i always regression test my changes on several machines, so i'm a bit perplexed at the consolekit error | 00:00 |
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| dtchen | the only other instance of anything similar was FS corruption on the reporter's machine that hosed module-console-kit.so | 00:01 |
| fta | it's commented | 00:03 |
| BUGabundo_ | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117889 | 00:04 |
| fta | the consolekit error is from my other desktop, at work, it occurs when i was not even in front of it, it was locked | 00:04 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: please not in here, but in the bugs | 00:06 |
| asac | in the appropriate please | 00:06 |
| asac | also include your ppp version | 00:06 |
| asac | if you havent done so yet | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo_ | done too | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo_ | i did | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo_ | please look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/329228 | 00:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 329228 in network-manager "3G network time out" [Undecided,New] | 00:07 |
| BUGabundo_ | ppp: Installed: 2.4.5~git20081126t100229-0ubuntu1~nm1 | 00:07 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: can you try to downgrade? | 00:07 |
| BUGabundo_ | sure | 00:08 |
| asac | to the jaunty or intrepid version | 00:08 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: /usr/sbin/pppd: invalid numeric parameter 'n' for kdebug option | 00:08 |
| asac | dont downgrade | 00:08 |
| BUGabundo_ | downgrading now | 00:08 |
| asac | you probably have a syntax error in options | 00:08 |
| BUGabundo_ | bagh | 00:08 |
| asac | look for kdebug or something | 00:09 |
| asac | you probably messed that up ;) | 00:09 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: #kdebug n | 00:09 |
| asac | thats the wrong option | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo_ | line 184: kdebug n | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo_ | let me comment it | 00:09 |
| asac | its just "debug" | 00:09 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: just use "debug" | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo_ | okay | 00:09 |
| asac | without parameter | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo_ | done | 00:09 |
| asac | its a few lines above | 00:10 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: get log again then | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo_ | okay | 00:10 |
| asac | serial and syslog | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo_ | upgradying ppp and nm-pptp again | 00:10 |
| asac | probably serial is in syslog too | 00:10 |
| asac | yeah | 00:10 |
| * BUGabundo_ bafles: he is on borrow 3G card with only 1GiBs bw | 00:11 | |
| BUGabundo_ | brb | 00:11 |
| BUGabundo_ | time to debug | 00:11 |
| BUGabundo_ | asac: i had to kill NM twice | 00:11 |
| BUGabundo_ | the first didnt kill it | 00:11 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: better reboot then | 00:11 |
| asac | drivewr might be in bad state | 00:11 |
| fta | is there an applet to have more info about my connection? something more than the dumb n-m default applet | 00:11 |
| asac | if things lock up | 00:11 |
| BUGabundo_ | rebooting | 00:12 |
| asac | fta: about 3g connection? | 00:12 |
| BUGabundo_ | asac: with or wutout PIN? | 00:12 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: with PIN for now | 00:13 |
| asac | and without if that doesnt work | 00:13 |
| fta | asac, yes | 00:13 |
| asac | fta: well. drivers are different for things that go beyond basic features | 00:13 |
| asac | fta: thats why modemmanager was created | 00:13 |
| asac | it currently has signal strength feature | 00:14 |
| asac | but more can be added for each individual modem | 00:14 |
| BUGabundo_ | wull nm08 be packed any time soon? | 00:14 |
| asac | fta: you need a modemmanager enabled build for that | 00:14 |
| asac | i have not yet decided if i do that next week or wait with mm for next cycle | 00:14 |
| BUGabundo_ | on a new PPA or NM PPA with epoch? | 00:15 |
| fta | is it in a ppa ? something at least slightly tested ;) | 00:15 |
| BUGabundo_ | oh great.... metacity just blew after reboot | 00:15 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: use ppa | 00:15 |
| BUGabundo_ | should afect my debug | 00:15 |
| asac | fta: you can try the packages in ~modemmanager ppa | 00:16 |
| BUGabundo_ | brb | 00:16 |
| * fta updating his laptop... | 00:16 | |
| asac | fta: but but but | 00:16 |
| asac | those are a bit busted. bit give it a try. its the old snapshot from intrepid still | 00:16 |
| fta | Get:257 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe openarena-data 0.8.1-1 [306MB] beuhhh | 00:16 |
| asac | yeah | 00:16 |
| fta | bad over 3G | 00:17 |
| fta | fortunately, it's wired now | 00:17 |
| fta | is archive.ubuntu.com rate limiting the connections? | 00:18 |
| asac | not sure ... tcp has constraints on its own | 00:19 |
| fta | I have a flat 830KB/s | 00:19 |
| asac | ask Nafallo maybe | 00:19 |
| asac | but i think its mirrored too | 00:19 |
| asac | and round-robin or something | 00:19 |
| fta | that's 6.9Mb/s, i can do a lot more | 00:19 |
| asac | well ... what ping do you have? | 00:19 |
| fta | during dl? probably bad | 00:20 |
| fta | 90ms | 00:20 |
| asac | no ... i mean in general | 00:21 |
| asac | i am not sure how the limit for tcp depending on ping, but there is a correlation | 00:21 |
| asac | try multiple connections | 00:21 |
| fta | let me finish my 680M upgrade | 00:21 |
| fta | asac, lol, you remember i'm a network engineer, right? | 00:22 |
| asac | so what is the max througput for tcp with ping 200ms with default settings on ubuntu jaunty ;) | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo_ | back | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo_ | uploading new logs to bug | 00:23 |
| fta | asac, I can do a lot more between home and my other boxes at work | 00:23 |
| asac | fta: how is the ping? | 00:24 |
| asac | i mean i have 63ms to archive and get about the same | 00:24 |
| asac | the german mirror i use has 40-38ms and i get 1M | 00:24 |
| asac | (vs 800) | 00:24 |
| BUGabundo_ | asac: bug 329228 updated | 00:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 329228 in network-manager "3G network time out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329228 | 00:25 |
| fta | asac, 8ms from work, and 30ms from home | 00:25 |
| asac | fta: see ;) | 00:25 |
| fta | but that's not enough to explain that | 00:25 |
| asac | so if you have 60 you might have double power 2 aka factor 4 ;) ;) | 00:25 |
| asac | Max. Throughput = TCP Window Size / Round-trip time. | 00:26 |
| BUGabundo_ | my ping average with this 3G card, passing through a winXP box is 108ms | 00:27 |
| asac | he Max TCP Window size in the absence of window scaling is 65 535 bytes. | 00:27 |
| asac | Example: Max Bandwidth = 65535 bytes / 0.220 s = 297886.36 bytes/s = 2.38 Mbit/s. | 00:27 |
| asac | well ... but is the tcp window on over internet connections more like the mtu? | 00:27 |
| asac | e.g. 1500? | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo_ | gogle's pings are way worse: 362ms | 00:27 |
| fta | wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openarena-data/openarena-data_0.8.1-1_all.deb | 00:29 |
| fta | ~811K/s, | 00:29 |
| fta | it's 240ms away from works, and 45ms from home (!?? wtf) | 00:31 |
| fta | -s | 00:31 |
| fta | 8 surfnet-gw2.amd.cw.net (195.2.21.6) 18.631 ms 18.624 ms 18.594 ms | 00:31 |
| fta | 9 AE1.500.JNR01.Asd001A.surf.net (145.145.80.70) 240.634 ms 240.414 ms 240.630 ms | 00:31 |
| fta | booo | 00:31 |
| asac | 60 mS 8,658 Kbps | 00:31 |
| asac | http://www.babinszki.com/Networking/Max-Ethernet-and-TCP-Throughput.html | 00:32 |
| asac | this table seems to be a bit odd ;) | 00:33 |
| asac | but if its really for gigabit | 00:33 |
| fta | but i do 6.9Mb/s with 30ms | 00:33 |
| asac | then 69Ms seems to be 8.6 Mb/s | 00:33 |
| asac | fta: yes, but the window size in that table is optimal | 00:33 |
| asac | for 65k windows | 00:34 |
| asac | i dont think you get that on internet | 00:34 |
| asac | but the numbers look low still | 00:34 |
| asac | well ... the 0.1ms looks right | 00:34 |
| BUGabundo_ | asac: do u need anything else? | 00:34 |
| asac | almost 1000 Mb | 00:34 |
| BUGabundo_ | before i go to bed? | 00:34 |
| fta | apt-get fist-upgrade | 00:34 |
| fta | E: Invalid operation fist-upgrade | 00:34 |
| fta | :) | 00:34 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: lets loook | 00:34 |
| asac | hehe | 00:35 |
| asac | ;) | 00:35 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: why applet log? (what is that) | 00:35 |
| BUGabundo_ | well for some reason it died when i killed NM | 00:35 |
| BUGabundo_ | so i started it from cli | 00:36 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: hmm ... ppp isnt debug ? | 00:36 |
| BUGabundo_ | humm i set the option | 00:36 |
| BUGabundo_ | as u said | 00:36 |
| * BUGabundo_ checks | 00:36 | |
| asac | BUGabundo_: oh | 00:37 |
| BUGabundo_ | yep | 00:37 |
| BUGabundo_ | debug is NOT comment | 00:37 |
| BUGabundo_ | on /etc/ppp/options | 00:37 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: you didnt upgrade network-manager from ppa? | 00:37 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: thats jaunty? | 00:37 |
| BUGabundo_ | i didnt change networ-manager | 00:37 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: your problem is that you have incompatible ppp plugin | 00:37 |
| BUGabundo_ | just ppp and then again up | 00:37 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: you need to upgrade to everything you get on ppa | 00:38 |
| asac | thats network-manager and -pptp plugin and pppd | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo_ | ppp is PPA | 00:38 |
| asac | yes | 00:38 |
| asac | all three are ppa | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo_ | isnt | 00:38 |
| asac | they have to together | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo_ | its from archive | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo_ | PPA and arc have same version | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo_ | so archive is prefered | 00:38 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: oh i forgot the main network-manager | 00:39 |
| asac | too bad | 00:39 |
| BUGabundo_ | everything else _should_ be using PPA | 00:39 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: yeah thats my fault then finally ;) | 00:39 |
| asac | i think i forgot to push | 00:39 |
| BUGabundo_ | humm | 00:40 |
| BUGabundo_ | ok | 00:40 |
| asac | its ppp, -pptp and network-manager that needed a respin | 00:40 |
| BUGabundo_ | humm those are all PPA | 00:40 |
| BUGabundo_ | only NM is archive | 00:40 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: yeah. because i didnt bump in ppa ... which i thought i did | 00:40 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: i am uploading that now | 00:40 |
| BUGabundo_ | np | 00:40 |
| asac | so tomorrow morngin it should work | 00:40 |
| * BUGabundo_ awan | 00:41 | |
| asac | BUGabundo_: so you could downgrade ppp and -pptp | 00:41 |
| asac | or sleep and see tomorrow | 00:41 |
| BUGabundo_ | please comment on the bug (maybe fix release?) | 00:41 |
| BUGabundo_ | when pack have been build | 00:41 |
| BUGabundo_ | ill see if i can hold on to the donge a few more hours | 00:41 |
| BUGabundo_ | but have to get somewhere to do all this downloads | 00:42 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: i think 40 minutes till .debs are there | 00:42 |
| BUGabundo_ | ok | 00:42 |
| BUGabundo_ | then tomorrow should be fine | 00:42 |
| BUGabundo_ | so should i go ALL PPA? | 00:42 |
| BUGabundo_ | or archive? | 00:42 |
| BUGabundo_ | i got lost | 00:42 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: just keep ppa in sources.list | 00:43 |
| asac | and run dist-upgrade | 00:43 |
| BUGabundo_ | okay | 00:43 |
| asac | i will not upload stuff you shouldnt get to that archive | 00:44 |
| asac | so thats usually the safe way | 00:44 |
| BUGabundo_ | did u check that kernel trace? | 00:44 |
| asac | (note: but just for this archive ... there might be other ppas that are maintained differently) | 00:44 |
| BUGabundo_ | it mentioned comm something | 00:44 |
| BUGabundo_ | not sure NM has something to do with it | 00:44 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: kernel trace is a dupe i think. dont have time to look up | 00:44 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: you should find a bug against linux if you search for "Tainted" | 00:44 |
| BUGabundo_ | one more? | 00:44 |
| BUGabundo_ | i filed 3 of those every release! | 00:45 |
| BUGabundo_ | ehehe | 00:45 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: no ... read! | 00:45 |
| asac | "find" != "file" ;) | 00:45 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: oh so you know the other bugs | 00:45 |
| BUGabundo_ | yep | 00:45 |
| asac | have those been closed? | 00:45 |
| BUGabundo_ | thats what i'm saying | 00:45 |
| BUGabundo_ | one at least was | 00:45 |
| BUGabundo_ | with interpid backports | 00:45 |
| asac | well ... then look if the bug is still open | 00:46 |
| BUGabundo_ | one from jaunty not sure... but have seen it in a whyle | 00:46 |
| asac | if not reassign the current one to linux and subscribe ogasawara | 00:46 |
| BUGabundo_ | diferent stack | 00:46 |
| BUGabundo_ | looks qute diferent from the previous | 00:46 |
| asac | ok | 00:46 |
| BUGabundo_ | yean Leann seems to prefer diferent bugs | 00:46 |
| asac | i will look then at some point ;) | 00:46 |
| BUGabundo_ | and not Dupes | 00:46 |
| BUGabundo_ | one more thing | 00:47 |
| BUGabundo_ | and did nt mention this on the bug | 00:47 |
| BUGabundo_ | the new 3G assistant SUCKs | 00:47 |
| BUGabundo_ | ibex version detect my Country | 00:47 |
| BUGabundo_ | Jaunty shows the complete list, and i cant just start typeing | 00:47 |
| BUGabundo_ | have to use mouse to scroll down | 00:48 |
| asac | BUGabundo_: is there a bug for that yet against libmbca0? | 00:49 |
| * BUGabundo_ heads to bed | 00:49 | |
| asac | sure | 00:49 |
| BUGabundo_ | didnt even new that package | 00:49 |
| BUGabundo_ | let see if the respin of packages changes something | 00:49 |
| BUGabundo_ | if not, i'll ping u back to get the package name, and i'll file it | 00:49 |
| asac | ok | 00:49 |
| * BUGabundo_ has lousy memory | 00:49 | |
| BUGabundo_ | i finished the test on ubufox | 00:50 |
| BUGabundo_ | not sure if u read the comments | 00:50 |
| BUGabundo_ | both 3.0 and 3.1 are fixed | 00:50 |
| BUGabundo_ | and i can change my toolbar at will | 00:50 |
| BUGabundo_ | but 2 new bugs were found | 00:50 |
| BUGabundo_ | not on LP yet | 00:50 |
| BUGabundo_ | need to test a bit more | 00:51 |
| BUGabundo_ | anything else, ping me, email me, or dent me | 00:51 |
| BUGabundo_ | good night guys | 00:52 |
| asac | thanks BUGabundo_ | 00:54 |
| asac | good night | 00:54 |
| fta | asac, when i disconnect and unplug the usb key, n-m never realizes that the key is gone, so it remains in the list | 00:58 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117894/ | 01:06 |
| asac | fta: is that with ppp 2.4.5 ? | 01:38 |
| asac | oh right ;) ... not all bits are there yet | 01:38 |
| fta | jaunty | 01:38 |
| asac | maybe try the packages from nm ppa | 01:38 |
| asac | ppp had some issues that caused stability problems | 01:38 |
| fta | 2.4.4rel-10ubuntu3 | 01:38 |
| asac | and a bunch are fixed in the package in ~network-manager ppa | 01:38 |
| asac | yes. 2.4.4 is two years old | 01:38 |
| fta | two SIMs, one is always fine, the other worked for a while and is now always broken | 01:39 |
| asac | but you need ppp and the respun nm and nm-pptp (if you use that) | 01:39 |
| asac | fta: different net provider? | 01:39 |
| fta | nope, same | 01:40 |
| fta | orange france for both | 01:40 |
| asac | fta: using broadband wizard? | 01:40 |
| fta | in the same usb key | 01:40 |
| fta | jsut switching sims | 01:40 |
| asac | fta: have you checked in serial log that NM sends correct pin? | 01:41 |
| asac | dont know how smart nm is about forgetting and detecting sim changes | 01:41 |
| fta | yes, it's 0000 on both, on purpose | 01:41 |
| fta | until i figure out what's wrong, that is | 01:42 |
| asac | fta: this looks like a problem at ppp negoation | 01:43 |
| asac | which happens after pin and so on | 01:43 |
| fta | yes | 01:43 |
| asac | not sure if you could get that far if you ignore errors up front | 01:43 |
| asac | trying new ppp might be worth it | 01:43 |
| asac | could be that one sim ends up on a different server | 01:44 |
| asac | and the protocol is differnt | 01:44 |
| asac | but you should check the serial output as on wiki | 01:44 |
| asac | to be sure there are no ignored issues up front | 01:44 |
| fta | serial output? wiki? | 01:45 |
| asac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager#Serial Log (Mobile Broadband) | 01:45 |
| asac | there you see the modem commands | 01:45 |
| asac | and replies from modem | 01:45 |
| fta | that's what i did | 01:46 |
| asac | yes then check the serial output ... that should be before what you posted | 01:47 |
| asac | e.g. is correct APN set ... is correct PIN set ... are there any complains and NM just continues with ppp | 01:48 |
| asac | but well. try new packages from ~network-manager PPA first | 01:48 |
| asac | ppp caused many issues for lots of users... which is why i rebased all those patches | 01:48 |
| asac | for me it made stuff more reliable too ;) | 01:48 |
| asac | i mean, i got similar issues with the old ppp ... not just 100% of time | 01:49 |
| asac | but sometimes it was really really hard to connect at all | 01:49 |
| asac | while at other times it just worked | 01:49 |
| asac | hmm ... probably have to wait till network-manager - 0.7-0ubuntu2~nm1 is finished in ppa | 01:50 |
| asac | then you can just upgrade to that | 01:50 |
| asac | ppa | 01:50 |
| asac | with ppp new | 01:50 |
| fta | all the same for both, everything's fine, OK everywhere, nothing unexpected | 01:50 |
| asac | yeah. this sounds like ppp then | 01:51 |
| asac | also if you ever touched /etc/ppp/options for anything else than the debug flag | 01:51 |
| asac | revert those changes | 01:51 |
| fta | nothing, just debug | 01:52 |
| asac | yeah wait for 2.4.5 then | 01:52 |
| asac | sleep a few hours and upgrade to ~network-manager PPA | 01:53 |
| fta | i should probably call my isp (my own company btw) but if i say linux or ubuntu, i'll get nowhere | 01:53 |
| fta | and i have no windows or mac to test with | 01:54 |
| asac | well ... give the new ppp a try ;) | 01:54 |
| asac | as i said there are bugs fixed that we couldnt get fixed through individual cherry picks in intrepid | 01:55 |
| fta | let me know when something is ready then | 01:55 |
| asac | fta: its ready when the current build is done ;) | 01:56 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/ppa just upgrade in the morning ;) | 01:56 |
| asac | i just forgot to upload the NM ;) ... ppp and -pptp are done since 3 days | 01:56 |
| asac | sleep for a bit | 01:57 |
| asac | cu tomoroow ... hopefully i find the time to see whats going on with tbird | 01:58 |
| fta | ok, thanks. g'night | 01:59 |
| fta | no change, looks exactly the same, even after a reboot | 02:42 |
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| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| BUGabundo | guud morning | 11:58 |
| gnomefreak | good morning | 12:00 |
| gnomefreak | mozilla 77811 | 12:00 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 77811 in MIME "Inline viewer for Microsoft proprietary mail formats (ms-tnef, etc.) ["winmail.dat"]" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77811 | 12:00 |
| gnomefreak | hmmmmmmm | 12:01 |
| gnomefreak | holy crap thats alot of people | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | why do i get the feeling that it doesnt work with tb3 betas as it says but under long des. it states tb3 beta | 12:16 |
| gnomefreak | betas | 12:16 |
| gnomefreak | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4433 | 12:17 |
| fta | asac, debian bug 497701 | 13:13 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 497701 in libv8 "RFP: libv8 -- Google V8 JavaScript Engine" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/497701 | 13:13 |
| gnomefreak | would i use DEBIAN_DATE to pull in SM 1.1.15 tarball? Its not been released yet but would like to work on it so once released just update it | 13:21 |
| gnomefreak | example ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_DATE=dateinchangelog or is m-d not been updated for pre-release 1.1.x | 13:22 |
| fta | sm1 is not using m-d, iirc, it has its own rules in the package | 13:24 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok thanks | 13:25 |
| asac | fta: didn you know that RFP bug? i am quite sure I suggested to take it as an ITP ;) | 14:35 |
| asac | retitle 497701 ITP: libv8 -- Google V8 JavaScript Engine | 14:36 |
| asac | owner 497701 ! | 14:36 |
| asac | thanks | 14:36 |
| asac | that was what made him the owner | 14:36 |
| asac | 1st feb | 14:36 |
| fta | well | 14:38 |
| fta | he even said he used my patch | 14:38 |
| asac | fta: yes, but why not | 14:40 |
| asac | you didnt care about that bug so he took it ... i will send a mail to it now ;) | 14:41 |
| asac | fta: i mean: if you dont want that debian uses a complete different approach you have to join forces in debian ... i will suggest to make a debian team for that. you can of course object on that mail ;) ... its for now my idea | 14:41 |
| fta | i don't mind either way. i feel it will end-up like nss & nspr | 14:43 |
| asac | fta: please whatever you can do join the debian folks | 14:44 |
| asac | otherwise its a single point of failure | 14:44 |
| asac | and people will ask when you are on holiday: why not merge from debian ... why duplicate efforts. | 14:44 |
| asac | the problem is too often that folks on debian side dont want that | 14:44 |
| asac | the work for you is the same ... maintain it in dbian and get it synched here | 14:44 |
| asac | if they are strict against such a team or turn out to be not-cooperative then it makes sense to look diverging downstream in ubuntu | 14:45 |
| * asac off for travel | 14:46 | |
| fta | it seems to late now, everything is different, either i give up or we diverge | 14:46 |
| asac | fta: its definitly not too late. i think they should go for your work | 14:46 |
| asac | but one has to make compromises for the sake of not diverging the whole stack imo | 14:47 |
| fta | let's wait for his answer then | 14:47 |
| asac | at least you have to try | 14:47 |
| asac | you didnt try in the bug imo | 14:47 |
| asac | but yeah. lets see | 14:47 |
| asac | who knows maybe he is not even a DD | 14:48 |
| asac | often folks claim ITPs and then get nothing done | 14:48 |
| asac | ok travelling a bit ... cu later | 14:49 |
| asac | oh shit the preview of the notification thing now pops up dialogs instead of actionful notifications | 14:50 |
| asac | guess that means i am supposed to fix annoyances | 14:50 |
| asac | now gone | 14:50 |
| fta | cu | 14:50 |
| fta | gone too | 14:50 |
| asac | now on GSM | 16:00 |
| asac | thats _SLOW_ | 16:00 |
| asac | but i can still type over ssh in screen | 16:00 |
| asac | quite stable still ... nice i survived the same place where i usually got disconnect | 16:07 |
| asac | with staying online | 16:07 |
| asac | and even logged into ssh | 16:07 |
| asac | well ... not even, but yes. | 16:07 |
| Cruster | is network manager supposed to connect to a configured wireless WPA secured network before login? | 17:50 |
| Cruster | asac: can I ask you something about networkmanager (they pointed me to you...) | 17:54 |
| BUGabundo | Cruster: I think it can do so, IF the option System is on | 17:54 |
| Cruster | BUGabundo: this option is grayed out for me...even if I run as root | 17:55 |
| * BUGabundo check local system | 17:55 | |
| BUGabundo | bah its not even here anymore | 17:56 |
| BUGabundo | on the PPA version of NM | 17:56 |
| Cruster | BUGabundo: ok...I'll have to wait then... | 17:56 |
| BUGabundo | Cruster: you will have to wait for asac to come back, to be sure | 17:58 |
| asac | Cruster: its supposed to do that if you configure your connection as a system connection | 18:01 |
| asac | Cruster: never run as root | 18:01 |
| asac | that doesnt change a hing | 18:01 |
| asac | thing | 18:01 |
| asac | it could even create hazard | 18:01 |
| Cruster | asac: thanks for answering. This option is grayed out for me... | 18:02 |
| BUGabundo | is it UP ? | 18:02 |
| * asac wonders why its still common to think one can achieve anything with running root | 18:02 | |
| BUGabundo | are you using it right now, ie is it connected? | 18:02 |
| asac | never ever run anything as root :) | 18:02 |
| BUGabundo | asac: sudo cow powers | 18:02 |
| Cruster | i was too desperate :P yes connection works uppon login | 18:03 |
| asac | Cruster: not sure what you mean by greyed out | 18:03 |
| Cruster | asac: I cannot tick the option "system connection" | 18:03 |
| asac | Cruster: what kind of connection are you trying to change? | 18:04 |
| asac | Cruster: what version are you running? | 18:04 |
| BUGabundo | asac: I don't have that option on ANY of my connections | 18:04 |
| BUGabundo | with NM from PPA | 18:04 |
| asac | Cruster: do you have the keyfile plugin enabled | 18:04 |
| Cruster | yes it is enabled | 18:04 |
| asac | BUGabundo: it was renamed in 0.7 final to "allow all users" | 18:04 |
| asac | or seomthing | 18:04 |
| asac | Cruster: dont try to change auto connections. create new ones and directly tick that instead | 18:05 |
| * BUGabundo remembers the time where wifi would even connect BEFORE X (misses wifi-radar) | 18:05 | |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 18:05 |
| BUGabundo | can that be put on Release Notes? | 18:05 |
| Cruster | it does it for any connection, even for new ones | 18:05 |
| BUGabundo | should I file a bug and tag it to release notes? | 18:05 |
| asac | BUGabundo: not sure why ;) | 18:05 |
| BUGabundo | 'cause upgrading users will be looking for it! | 18:05 |
| asac | BUGabundo: i dont think that makes sense | 18:05 |
| asac | BUGabundo: UI regularly changes on new ubuntu version | 18:06 |
| BUGabundo | I was having that discussion with crisum on ubuntu-devel-discuss the other day | 18:06 |
| BUGabundo | devs change stuff and leave user to "discover" | 18:06 |
| Cruster | ops, forgot to tell you that I'm talking about KDE... | 18:06 |
| asac | Cruster: thats not my business then | 18:06 |
| asac | the knetworkmanager applet is major unfinished | 18:06 |
| asac | use the gnome nm-applet instead | 18:07 |
| asac | if you want proper networkmanager support on kde in intrepid | 18:07 |
| Cruster | i'm not even on intrepid, it's jaunty here... | 18:07 |
| asac | Cruster: plasmaoid network-manager? | 18:07 |
| asac | Cruster: file a bug | 18:07 |
| asac | but i will probably not deal with it | 18:07 |
| Cruster | i'll do it, thanks | 18:07 |
| Cruster | for everything | 18:08 |
| asac | i think there are now three different versions of kde network-manager applet | 18:08 |
| asac | and none is finished | 18:08 |
| asac | sorry. i can only suggest to use the gnome one | 18:08 |
| Cruster | i can accept that, it's alpha ;) | 18:08 |
| asac | for now | 18:08 |
| asac | and file bugs and bug folks in #kubuntu-devel maybe | 18:08 |
| asac | Cruster: alpha? i mean they use that in the distro | 18:08 |
| asac | you mean jaunty is alpha yes ... but unless something really good happens i dont think there will be much improvements in this area | 18:09 |
| asac | in the past the kde folks made really slow progress on their nm applets | 18:09 |
| asac | and instead of finishing one they just start writing yet another one | 18:09 |
| Cruster | well, for me it's kinda acceptable | 18:09 |
| asac | Cruster: anyway. you can still start the nm-applet | 18:10 |
| asac | create your system connection | 18:10 |
| asac | then use the kde one i guess | 18:10 |
| Cruster | nice then | 18:10 |
| asac | at least that should help in getting a connection before startup | 18:10 |
| asac | bug #326571 | 18:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 326571 in network-manager "default route missing since Jaunty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326571 | 18:10 |
| Cruster | what's the name of the ubuntu packet? | 18:10 |
| asac | Cruster: network-manager-gnome | 18:11 |
| Cruster | ty | 18:11 |
| asac | np | 18:11 |
| asac | Nafallo: so you are not alone: bug 326571 | 18:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 326571 in network-manager "default route missing since Jaunty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326571 | 18:12 |
| asac | whats going on | 18:12 |
| asac | Nafallo: can you please help to track that down? | 18:12 |
| asac | i cannot reproduce it unfortunately | 18:12 |
| asac | i need to get a clue whether its a regression in dhclient or what | 18:12 |
| Nafallo | asac: you have those weird rfc lines in dhclient.conf? | 18:13 |
| asac | Nafallo: do we need them or not? | 18:13 |
| Nafallo | I commented them and it works again. | 18:14 |
| asac | Nafallo: i have that line and it didnet hurt: | 18:14 |
| asac | option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned integer 8; | 18:14 |
| Nafallo | asac: got avahi-autoipd installed? | 18:14 |
| asac | Nafallo: yes have it | 18:15 |
| Nafallo | asac: I don't :-) | 18:15 |
| * Nafallo ponders where changelogs live those days | 18:15 | |
| asac | Nafallo: please check whether it helps to have it installed | 18:16 |
| * Nafallo found them on changelogs.ubuntu.com | 18:16 | |
| BUGabundo | Nafallo: you mean changelogs.ubuntu.com | 18:16 |
| BUGabundo | and on LP ? | 18:16 |
| asac | Nafallo: and join the bug 326571 | 18:16 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/326571/+text) | 18:17 |
| BUGabundo | ubottu: is getting lazy today | 18:17 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 18:17 |
| BUGabundo | or LP is SLOWWWWW | 18:17 |
| Nafallo | * Added hook to dhclient to support RFC3442 (classless static route option) | 18:18 |
| Nafallo | and add rfc3442-classless-static-routes to the options requested (closes: | 18:18 |
| Nafallo | #396545) | 18:18 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/3.1.1-5ubuntu3 | 18:19 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/3.1.1-5ubuntu3 | 18:19 |
| asac | hmm | 18:19 |
| asac | Nafallo: but i had that since ever as it seems | 18:19 |
| Nafallo | debian bug 396545 | 18:20 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 396545 in dhcp3-client "dhcp3-client: RFC3442 support (The Classless Static Route Option)" [Wishlist,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/396545 | 18:20 |
| asac | Nafallo: can you check if avahi-autoipd installing helps | 18:20 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: here | 18:20 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: pleaes look at bug | 18:21 |
| Q-FUNK | the debian one? | 18:21 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: no at your bug | 18:21 |
| Q-FUNK | ah | 18:21 |
| Q-FUNK | just a sec | 18:21 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: ok. I'll reply to that. thanks. | 18:22 |
| Q-FUNK | can you already tell me, what would be the difference between with and without avahi-autoipd ? | 18:23 |
| Q-FUNK | i.e. is it supposed to introduce a regression if it's installed? | 18:23 |
| asac | Nafallo: when was that feature introduced? | 18:23 |
| asac | can you give a can you drop that info in the ubuntu bug? | 18:23 |
| Nafallo | asac: dhcp3 (3.1.1-2) unstable; urgency=low | 18:25 |
| Q-FUNK | I personally don't need that auoipd feature since I don't use rendez-vous, so if that can be a temporary workaround, I'd simply remove it for now. | 18:25 |
| BUGabundo | asac: xubuntu 8.10 full update (nm from archive I think) 3G not working | 18:25 |
| BUGabundo | will get serial logs when I get home, and hand them to you | 18:25 |
| Nafallo | Q-FUNK: I have it uninstalled (since I don't use it either) and that bug still occurs. I was taking a stab in the dark I'm afraid. | 18:26 |
| BUGabundo | asac: using PPA NM can help fix that too? | 18:26 |
| BUGabundo | I still haven't tried last night fix on my machine either | 18:26 |
| Nafallo | asac: first step should be to try and find out what that hook is supposed to do. | 18:28 |
| Q-FUNK | Nafallo: ok, that at least rules that one out | 18:29 |
| Nafallo | Q-FUNK: our of interest. what's your wifi card and ap? | 18:31 |
| Q-FUNK | USB dongle with the zd1211rw driver | 18:32 |
| Q-FUNK | ap are different ones | 18:32 |
| Nafallo | that rules b0rked hardware out | 18:33 |
| Nafallo | well. hardware revisions | 18:33 |
| Q-FUNK | Nafallo: you? | 18:38 |
| Nafallo | Q-FUNK: me? | 18:38 |
| plun | hello all ! | 18:38 |
| plun | Any Thunderbird 3 guru ? (ftas repo) | 18:38 |
| plun | Mozilla-teams repo... sorry ! | 18:39 |
| BUGabundo | plun: ping fta | 18:40 |
| BUGabundo | not here right now AFAIK | 18:40 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ping are you here? | 18:40 |
| asac | Nafallo: finding out what it means comes second imo. first we should track down the facts. e.g. does avahi help, does downgrading dhclient help. | 18:41 |
| plun | OK... I always ping fta... must be more then Fabien which knows ;) | 18:41 |
| plun | Is TB3 broken within ppa ? Works fine with nightly build for me | 18:41 |
| Nafallo | asac: downgrade to intrepid? | 18:41 |
| asac | plun: current dailies are a bit broken | 18:41 |
| plun | asac: OK thanks ! | 18:42 |
| asac | Nafallo: nto sure i guess the first jaunty version shoujld be ok to test too | 18:42 |
| asac | plun: downgrade to the build from 9th feb | 18:42 |
| asac | pick the bits manually from -daily | 18:42 |
| asac | i think they should be available there still | 18:42 |
| plun | asac: OK thanks ! | 18:42 |
| Nafallo | asac: dhcp3 (3.1.1-5ubuntu1) jaunty; urgency=low | 18:43 |
| Nafallo | * Merge from Debian unstable. Remaining Ubuntu changes | 18:43 |
| Nafallo | that one? | 18:43 |
| asac | plun: we will fix asap | 18:43 |
| asac | Nafallo: you found a changelog entry that sounded suspicious | 18:43 |
| asac | Nafallo: try the package before and the package after that | 18:43 |
| plun | asac: superb service ;) | 18:43 |
| Nafallo | asac: cause this was merged in from Debian unstable (3.1.1-2) | 18:43 |
| BUGabundo | brb... kiling PA, so pidgin will crash | 18:44 |
| asac | plun: i think fta has disabled the build for now ... so if a new -daily build appears in ppa its probably fixed | 18:44 |
| plun | asac: no problem.... nightly works OK, I just prefer running a Ubuntu build ;) | 18:45 |
| Nafallo | asac: hence why intrepid is the lastest version without it. | 18:45 |
| Nafallo | +spelling | 18:45 |
| Nafallo | ✁☹ | 18:45 |
| asac | Nafallo: go to launchpad ... download the debs in reverse order till its fixed | 18:45 |
| asac | oops ;) | 18:45 |
| asac | sorry read an old message | 18:45 |
| Nafallo | asac: stop reading old messages damnit! :-P | 18:45 |
| asac | Nafallo: if thats the latest version without it verify that its broken in first jaunty uploda | 18:45 |
| asac | and that its fixed in last intrepid | 18:46 |
| BUGabundo | back | 18:46 |
| Nafallo | asac: looking at the changelog it won't be fixed :-P | 18:46 |
| Nafallo | (in jaunty) | 18:46 |
| asac | Nafallo: you never know | 18:47 |
| Nafallo | asac: look... we already know which hook it troublesome :-) | 18:47 |
| Q-FUNK | ah, the culprit change has been found? | 18:47 |
| asac | Nafallo: still ... please verify that thats the real cause. | 18:47 |
| asac | Nafallo: then we need to think what to do | 18:47 |
| Nafallo | asac: in my opinion it's much better to spend time in finding out WHY it's broken :-) | 18:47 |
| * Q-FUNK watches magic happen | 18:47 | |
| BUGabundo | asac: xubuntu 8.10 full update (nm from archive I think) 3G not working | 18:47 |
| BUGabundo | will get serial logs when I get home, and hand them to you | 18:47 |
| BUGabundo | I still haven't tried last night fix on my machine either | 18:47 |
| Nafallo | asac: also... we know it worked in intrepid. I didn't dist-upgrade this machine when jaunty opened :-)_ | 18:48 |
| Q-FUNK | Nafallo: checking packages before and after will enable that to happen. after you spotted which package introduced the bug, a run of 'diff' should help us narrow down the exact cause | 18:48 |
| asac | Nafallo: well. i just want to be sure its not a red herring ;) | 18:48 |
| asac | testing the intrepid package must be _easy_ | 18:49 |
| asac | compared to finding the bug or sorting out what to do if we have to accept that the stateless option breaks this | 18:49 |
| Nafallo | asac: ooh. ii dhcp3-client 3.1.1-1ubuntu2 | 18:50 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: can you check the dhcp3-client packages and see if its fixed in intrepid? | 18:50 |
| Nafallo | asac: that means intrepid is the version right before the DD added that hook | 18:51 |
| asac | Nafallo: see ;) | 18:51 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: come again? | 18:51 |
| asac | Nafallo: that works? | 18:51 |
| Nafallo | asac: worked on intrepid | 18:51 |
| asac | Nafallo: now we need to find the diff he used to add the hook | 18:51 |
| asac | Nafallo: yes, but will it work with intrepid package in jaunty | 18:51 |
| asac | ? | 18:51 |
| Q-FUNK | yes, intrepid worked fine | 18:51 |
| Nafallo | asac: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396545 | 18:51 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 396545 in dhcp3-client "dhcp3-client: RFC3442 support (The Classless Static Route Option)" [Wishlist,Closed] | 18:51 |
| asac | do what you want | 18:52 |
| asac | i cannot investigate before knowning that its really that hook. for me it woks with that config | 18:52 |
| asac | it could be that the same merge or a later merge regressed this | 18:52 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: do you have multiple network interfaces on your hardware? | 18:52 |
| Nafallo | asac: I commented out the option and the request. and it works now. | 18:52 |
| Nafallo | asac: what possibly more info could you need? | 18:53 |
| asac | Nafallo: that only says that you uncover the bug with that option | 18:53 |
| asac | but doesnt really say that its the option in general that caused this | 18:53 |
| asac | maybe first jaunty package worked with that option | 18:53 |
| asac | and current one is broken because someone else broke it during merge | 18:53 |
| Nafallo | that was the merge... but okay. | 18:54 |
| Q-FUNK | erm. the diff attached to that bug already hints at major moronism: trying to backport a dhcp4 feature to a dhcp3 client. | 18:54 |
| * BUGabundo feels ignored | 18:54 | |
| asac | Nafallo: i still dont know which merge it is | 18:54 |
| asac | Nafallo: post that to the bug ;) | 18:54 |
| asac | also there were multiple uploads in jaunty | 18:55 |
| Nafallo | asac: yes. three apparently. kees playing with MTU and jamie playing with apparmor. | 18:56 |
| Nafallo | ouch! | 18:56 |
| Nafallo | I just walked into a door | 18:56 |
| asac | Nafallo: sorry ;) | 18:57 |
| asac | Nafallo: could you at least test whether avahi-autoipd has something to do with this at all? | 18:57 |
| Nafallo | asac: Q-FUNK having it installed isn't evidence enough? :-) | 18:58 |
| * Nafallo have to head off to the shower or he'll be late. | 18:58 | |
| Nafallo | and no asac. you can't watch on cam ;-) | 18:59 |
| asac | heh | 18:59 |
| Q-FUNK | ok, let's say that I can try something crazy, even though I don't have my jaunty host on hand. I can temporarily upgrade another host... | 19:00 |
| Q-FUNK | Nafallo: bummer! you almost brought the valentine spirit to the channel! :-P | 19:00 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: ok, I seem to have avahi-autoipd on this laptop. let's try a temporary upgrade to jaunty and see whether disabling that RFC3442 option in dhcp3-client.conf fixes it here too. | 19:05 |
| * Q-FUNK launches a dist-upgrade | 19:06 | |
| Q-FUNK | asac: the main thing to compare was whether having avahi-autoipd installed made anhy difference, in addition to disabling that 3442 option? | 19:07 |
| Q-FUNK | ok. cannot dist-upgrade using update-manager. it barfs over a unfulfilable dependencies for ubuntu-desktop... | 19:07 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: well. so if rfc option helps you | 19:10 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: just check whether avahi-autoipd would help too | 19:10 |
| asac | i dont think it makes a difference | 19:10 |
| Q-FUNK | erm... you meant if disabling that rfc option helps, with or without avahi-autoipd ? | 19:10 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: no a) does isabling rfc help | 19:11 |
| asac | b) does avahi-autoipd help to not need a) | 19:11 |
| Q-FUNK | ok | 19:12 |
| Q-FUNK | afaik, I have avahi-autoipd on that test host (not located in this house, so I cannot chekc now), since local-link exists and did not solve anything. at least, I remember that I had routes for both local-link and my AP | 19:13 |
| asac | thats goodenough | 19:14 |
| Q-FUNK | but no default route | 19:16 |
| asac | its a bit strange since i have the same option on and didnt see any issues | 19:17 |
| asac | but maybe its a buggy dhcp server | 19:17 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: but do you have multiple network interfaces? | 19:17 |
| asac | you know which dhcp server you have? maybe it supports classless static routes and doesnt deliver default route | 19:17 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: i have .... and the syslog nafallow showed me looked like its just that dhclient doesnt get any gateway info | 19:18 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: no idea. the dhcp server is whatever is in the wireless AP. | 19:18 |
| asac | meaning: eithe rits a bug in server ... or its a bug in dhclient in that it doesnt properly guess the right gateway | 19:20 |
| asac | what AP is that? | 19:20 |
| Q-FUNK | speedswitch ... something | 19:22 |
| Q-FUNK | I'm not currently at the location where my test host is located. however, IIRC I had the same problem here at home with my wrt54gl running white russian. | 19:23 |
| asac | Nafallo: Q-FUNK: so is anyone able to reproduce it _right_ now? | 19:25 |
| asac | if so, please keep the option enabled and move the exit hook | 19:25 |
| asac | to some other place | 19:26 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: I'm currently dist-upgrading this laptop to try the same test as on my usual test host. | 19:26 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: e.g. sudo su; mv /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/rfc3442-classless-routes ~ | 19:26 |
| asac | k | 19:26 |
| asac | thanks | 19:26 |
| Q-FUNK | yup | 19:28 |
| Q-FUNK | erm... wait... you want me to move it away from the exit hook directory? | 19:28 |
| asac | Q-FUNK: first check whether its reproducible ... then move it away. yes | 19:29 |
| asac | that exit hook looks bogus | 19:29 |
| asac | well .. at least hacky | 19:29 |
| Q-FUNK | it definitely looks so | 19:31 |
| asac | so i picked a bunch of neighbour APs | 19:43 |
| asac | none has this problem | 19:43 |
| asac | unfortunately | 19:43 |
| Cruster | you need any help in testing? | 19:44 |
| asac | Cruster: if you se the bug try to remove the exit hook from above | 19:45 |
| Cruster | i am just wondering if you need a bug confirmation | 19:46 |
| asac | Cruster: well. if thats a question unrelated to the rfc344... issue from above, i always need help in bug triaging | 19:48 |
| asac | Cruster: going through new/incomplete/confirmed bug against firefox-3.0 | 19:48 |
| asac | and checking wehther enough informatoin is there | 19:48 |
| asac | and bringing the bug in the normalized form like: | 19:49 |
| asac | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/NormalizedBugFormat | 19:49 |
| asac | and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook | 19:49 |
| asac | Cruster: ^^ | 19:49 |
| Cruster | brb dinner time, i'll look them l8er | 19:50 |
| Nafallo | asac: not in the shower, no :-) | 19:50 |
| Q-FUNK | asac: about 40 minutes to completion of dist-upgrade on this laptop. | 20:28 |
| asac | Nafallo: now out of shower? | 20:29 |
| asac | ;) | 20:29 |
| Q-FUNK | heh | 20:29 |
| Nafallo | asac: yea. and in half hour out of the building as well. | 20:31 |
| asac | Nafallo: ok all fine. i think i know what to take | 20:49 |
| Nafallo | god damn IRC. I got stuck again :-/ | 20:50 |
| asac | heh | 20:51 |
| asac | Nafallo: go partying now ;) | 20:51 |
| Nafallo | need to make the bed, clean up a bit and might consider putting a bit more than my robe on. | 20:52 |
| Nafallo | :-P | 20:52 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ping | 22:27 |
| fta | asac, i didn't deactive tb3 in my bot | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | hi fta | 23:21 |
| fta | i thought the issue would be fixed quickly :( | 23:21 |
| fta | BUGabundo, hi | 23:22 |
| fta | ohoh, new pulseaudio | 23:22 |
| fta | ~test2 :) | 23:22 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | fixed 3 bugs I had with test1 | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | \0/ | 23:23 |
| fta | and new deluge, let's hope it fixes some of my bugs too | 23:25 |
| BUGabundo | didn had any big bugs | 23:26 |
| BUGabundo | but I think I was already using upstream deb | 23:26 |
| BUGabundo | or 0.11 | 23:26 |
| BUGabundo | not sure | 23:27 |
| fta | 0.11? | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | or what ever was before | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | 1.1.1 | 23:28 |
| fta | Preparing to replace deluge 1.0.7.dfsg-3 (using .../deluge_1.1.2.dfsg-1_all.deb) ... | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | really old version | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | weren't you using the PPA? | 23:30 |
| fta | no | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | asac: do you have any idea of whom is network-config upstream? do they reply/active? | 23:31 |
| fta | this ppa looks ugly and weak | 23:31 |
| fta | boom http://paste.ubuntu.com/118204/ | 23:31 |
| fta | hm, no more opengl, wtf? | 23:44 |
| BUGabundo1 | asac: can we have NM NOT prefer wired ? | 23:52 |
| BUGabundo1 | I can't share my 3G net | 23:52 |
| BUGabundo1 | I know its not a common use | 23:52 |
| BUGabundo1 | but I'm not even able to use firestater to change that | 23:52 |
| BUGabundo1 | everytime I have both 3g and eth0, nm defaults to using wired | 23:53 |
| BUGabundo1 | and I loose my internet connection | 23:53 |
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