/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/14/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Myrttihttp://de.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BZfFakpzc00:10
bazhangpsufan01:06
bazhang wahnfrieden is now known as psufan01:07
Jack_Sparrowgenii Package finally sent.. air mail...01:34
redvamp128hello can I get some help-- I have been unjustly banned from winehq03:28
Piciredvamp128: We do not control the winehq channel, sorry.03:28
redvamp128how would I go about that one03:29
Piciredvamp128: Either speak to the op that banned you, or for a list of channel ops, do /msg chanserv access #winehq list03:29
redvamp128i am a little new to that03:30
redvamp128how would I do that one03:30
nickrudredvamp128, that's the command, just copy & paste03:31
redvamp128/msg chanserv access #winehq list03:31
redvamp128I am in pidgin03:31
nickrudget a client ;)03:31
nickrudredvamp128, anyway, since it's not and #u issue, please don't idle here03:32
redvamp128That and the last words to me were --03:32
redvamp128get a fng life 03:32
redvamp128they should ban him for obscenety -- he sent that in a private message before I got kicked and banned03:33
jdongwe don't have any access or involvement in #winehq; each channel sets its own guidelines on who may or may not be in their channels03:33
redvamp128thanks for your time 03:35
jdongsorry to hear about your situation though.03:35
jdonghow do people find this channel from #winehq?03:36
nickrudI've been tempted to pm someone with a similar message.03:36
PiciThey probably think that they're on irc.ubuntu.com and that this is the proper ops channel to go to03:37
nickrudjdong, he's a regular in #ubuntu. 03:37
jdongnickrud: ah.03:37
jdongwell I didn't dare (or want to ask) what he did in #winehq...03:37
PiciAgreed03:37
nickrudredvamp's always been courteous in my experience. odd that03:38
redvamp128i know you just answered me-- but what was that command again -- i just installed xchat03:45
redvamp128pici03:45
jdong22:29 <+Pici> redvamp128: Either speak to the op that banned you, or for a list  of channel ops, do /msg chanserv access #winehq list03:46
redvamp128thanks jdong03:52
redvamp128though the guy is still being a pain03:52
jdongI'm sorry to hear that and with you luck in a happy resolution.03:53
jdongSometimes though, from my experience, things turn out better if you give a bit of rest time and let both sides simmer down03:53
redvamp128yes well he didn't have to use the F$ at me03:53
redvamp128no calls for that I don't curse03:54
redvamp128goodnight and thanks for the info -- I would never have been able to find it-- though I had to install xchat03:54
daniel928413helllo 04:01
daniel928413i was banned from #ubuntu axedently saying hi and bye please please help04:01
elkythat seems mighty unlikely. what did you really say?04:04
daniel928413i said hello (hi) then again bye04:05
daniel928413but like this04:05
daniel928413hi04:05
daniel928413bye04:05
daniel928413this person on ubuntu-offtopic just said:  <__mikem> I will admit tonyyarusso did seem to jump the gun a bit, but he might have seen how daniel928413 was acting in here. I scrolled up and he tried the same "is ubuntu really better than xp" BS there to04:07
tonyyarussoafter similarly useless banter for the last how long?04:07
daniel928413what:04:08
elkydaniel928413, basically, you sound like someone trying to stir up trouble04:10
daniel928413well im not 04:12
daniel928413seriossly im not04:12
elkydaniel928413, why do you actually want to be in #ubuntu? you're only cross-posting to there the same stuff you've already asked and gotten answers for04:12
daniel928413would there be any change i could be unblocked so that if i need help i can access it04:13
daniel928413!help04:14
ubottuHi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots04:14
elkythe bot also accepts questions in PM04:14
daniel928413oh ok04:15
daniel928413im new to irc04:15
elky!guidelines04:16
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines04:16
elkyplease read those04:16
daniel928413ok04:16
tonyyarusso@btlogin04:16
tonyyarussostupid bot04:17
tritiumGood evening.04:18
daniel928413i have read the irc guidelines04:19
daniel928413sorry i have to go be04:19
elkytonyyarusso, lift the ban. we have him claiming to have read the guidelines, and he can be re-banned just as easily04:20
elkykids, it's time to apply housekeeping to the ban list04:23
tonyyarussoindeed04:26
* tonyyarusso only has like four04:26
elkyanything over a fortnight that is clearly dynamic, can begone. 04:26
elkyi'm going through the ballard ones now04:26
nickrudgot 3, all current and should stay for a bit yet04:27
nickrudelky, you should compare notes with pici, he went through them recently and had a few requests for bans to keep04:28
nickrudor was it ikonia?04:28
elkyi'm only checking for dynamics. ip addresses could probably be wiped though04:28
nickrudyeah, sometimes those seem pointless. even the more clueless trolls know how to get around those04:29
elkywe currently have 75% of bans under ballard04:30
elkyi should probably eat first though. is 3:30pm04:31
elkylet me guess too. pici and ikonia are both snoring04:35
nickrudisn't it wonderful, living on a ball ;)04:36
elkythere's 3+ @syru216*.syr.edu bans that can be collated into a ban for that04:37
tritiumelky: that guy is particularly foul04:38
elkytritium, yeah, so make sure he stays out. banning by the second number just allows him to go to a diff computer04:39
tritiumyes04:39
nickrudas devil's advocate, should we be banning nearly an entire educational institution for one guy?04:41
tritiumnickrud: doesn't seem right, does it?04:43
elkyyes, i usually check to see if there's others actually on from said edu first04:44
nickrudas I understand it, if they have a cloak they'd get around that ban. So, forward here so others can be told how to?04:44
elkycloaks do not get around bans04:44
elkyor so i understand it04:44
nickrudwasn't sure, maybe we can use me as an experiment ;)04:44
elkyugh04:46
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elkyalso, these samosas are waaaaaaaaaay hot, and explain why the potato dumplings from the same place were also ridiculously hot04:46
elkyat *extra* mild04:47
tritiumThere is no such thing as too hot ;)04:49
elkythere is when one's salivary glands do not function properly, and one has no natural flushing04:50
elkyi was expecting the samosas to be potato and peas in a gravy. they're potatoes and peas in leftover daal it seems04:50
tritiumSounds yummy.04:50
elkywhile this is not a bad thing, it's hotter than i predicted04:51
tritiumMy office mate in grad school was from Banaglore.  He was shocked at how hot we New Mexicans like our food.04:53
tritiumBangalore, even04:53
elkyhehe04:53
tritiumThat same guy is now one of Flannel's professors.04:53
elkyheh04:54
tritiumSmall world, isn't it?04:54
elkyyeah04:54
tritium@btlogin04:55
elkyalso shows how old you are04:55
* elky runs04:55
tritiumelky: hey now!04:55
tritiumHe's a very *young* professor, in only his second year or so.  Mid-thirties, tops.04:56
elkymy mouth and throat is very much hating me now05:12
elkybut my tongue and tummy are loving me05:12
* nickrud could comment about the end result of eating spicy food ...05:13
elkynickrud, my parents once had a super spicy pizza that they felt with their butts the next day.05:14
nickrudthat's how you know it's good05:15
elkymy parents are wusses, and it remained at only once ;)05:15
elkymethinks me need to get some laksa curry paste if this not-hot weather persists.05:17
elkyi have so much leftover in the fridge, so i probably should use that up first05:18
elkyand clean out the yuckified vegies from the crisper05:19
nickrudI think I just eat too white bread types of food (although no actual white bread)05:19
elkyyou mean low-GI05:20
nickrudif you mean low gastro-irritant, yes05:20
elkyor high-GI i mean05:20
tritiumGah, the news is infuriating.  I'm going to go for a run.05:21
nickrudwe win! :)05:21
elkyno, GI is Glycemic Index, in terms of carbs05:21
elkynickrud, you gluten intolerent?05:21
nickrudyes, very. Love bread and pasta05:21
tritiumnickrud: nobody won today, trust me.05:21
nickrudtritium, lets take a wait and see, that's the only way we'll know for sure05:21
elky?05:22
tritiumnickrud: would have been nice if they kept their promise, and had the bill up for people to actually *READ* for 48 hours before they voted on it.05:22
elkystimulus package?05:22
tritium_NOBODY_ had time to even read all the crap they snuck into that legislation.05:22
tritiumelky: yes05:22
nickrudtritium, heh. 5 days would be nice, but it wouldn't make any difference.05:23
tritiumSo much for this administration's "transparency"05:23
elkytritium, go for your run before you say something you regret.05:23
tritiumelky: I don't regret anything I've said.05:23
elkytritium, so far.05:23
tritiumI won't regret anything.05:24
nickrudelky, nah, we understand each other well. I wouldn't be offended, and I don't think I could offend tritium either05:24
tritiumYou won't, nickrud.05:24
elkynickrud, i'm referring to which channel we're in, and which topic it is05:24
tritiumnickrud: we need to start a new channel for our discussions :)05:24
nickrudyeah, I broadcast a general apology yesterday. How easy the slope is05:24
elkyit's called PM05:24
* elky tickles both of you05:25
tritiumhehe05:25
* nickrud is very ticklish, tends to lash out. 05:25
elkyi should do some cleaning up. this flat is an absolute pigsty05:25
tritiumnickrud, elky:  I'm taking off, then going to bed.  Good night.05:26
nickrudtritium, talk to you later05:26
elkynight05:26
elkyhow do i check a channel-specific factoid call?07:05
jussi01!vanilla-#ubuntustudio | elky07:14
ubottuelky: To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation07:14
elkyyeah, i read up through scrollback and finally found an example07:15
jussi01heh07:15
elkyFlannel, if you want to know what offtopic thinks of |_ocke, read the past 10 minutes of that channel07:39
topylii'm trying hard to remember good things about him, but somehow it all goes back to his High Times covergirl girlfriend and how hot she is, and what they do / will do in |_ocke's dreams07:55
mneptoki hope my neighbors like Mediaeval Baebes :/07:56
topyliwhis of course is all good and nice for him but hardly -ot material07:56
ubottulstarnes called the ops in #ubuntu (Harl0t)08:02
ubottuHarl0t called the ops in #ubuntu (die)08:02
ubottuHarl0t called the ops in #ubuntu (are scum)08:02
ubottuHarl0t called the ops in #ubuntu (die)08:03
ubottuHarl0t called the ops in #ubuntu (lol)08:03
jdongsmart...08:03
topylinow that's a pretty good way to get your much-needed attention08:04
mneptoktry stepping in front of a bus next time.08:05
mneptoksorry, that was meant for the wife.08:05
ubottuziroday called the ops in #ubuntu (Harl0t)08:06
ubottuHarl0t called the ops in #ubuntu (ziroday)08:06
mneptokMyrtti: think he'll figure out i banned the nick after you kicked him?08:08
Myrtti*sigh*08:09
Myrttihe did08:10
topyliheh i wonder what ziroday thought he was doing08:10
MyrttiI should get dressed and have some breakfast08:11
SportChickwii ubun08:15
SportChickoops, sorry08:15
Myrttiok, can I whack someone senseless now?08:25
MyrttiFOR GODS SAKE08:25
* mneptok backs away slowly08:26
mneptokSportChick: ns inf08:27
Myrttiif he pastes that once more, I'll scream08:27
MyrttiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH08:39
jdongpirate day?08:40
mneptokMyrtti: maybe he's using gtk-recordmydesktop to record himself being a retard on IRC08:42
Myrttimneptok: tsktsk ;-)08:42
mneptokMyrtti: you know you love it.08:43
elkyjdong, maco was saying something earlier about fixing up the #uf ops call, or something about a staff call?08:49
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, snuxoll said: !aptcache is <reply> Yes, I know I'm able to give you package information, but consider using apt-cache as well.  It doesn't flood the channel that way.08:50
elky...08:51
jdongelky: yeah, I think she wanted a factoid that listed forum staff members for getting our attention08:51
jdongwhich is different from the #uf IRC op list for various reasons08:51
topylinow there's a factoid worth adding08:51
elkyjdong, the last time i remember someone 'touching' #uf factoids from here, we got screamed at for abuse...08:51
elkyso if you could organise it, and supervise it, we can do it08:52
jdongelky: awesome, that sounds great08:52
jdongI am too tired at 4:00AM to enumerate our list of staff commonly on IRC so umm I'll get back to you tomorrow-ish :)08:53
mneptokjdong: are you coming to bed soon?08:53
* Myrtti needs to clean up a bit, expects a delivery man08:53
* mneptok has a warm spot ready08:53
jdongmneptok: hope it's not the same kind of warm spot as last night. I really wish you'd clean that stuff up after you're done.08:55
elkytypeliviu is PMing me. why?08:55
mneptokjdong: well stop feeding me Mini-Wheats and horse laxatives!08:56
elkyeww08:56
elkyewewewewewwwwwwww08:56
mneptokOK, elky is disgusted. i can sleep soundly.08:56
mneptok*muah*08:56
jdong:D08:56
elkyhow the heck does woo cope with you?08:57
mneptokMini-Wheats and horse laxatives.08:58
Myrttielky: with great difficulty, I suspect08:58
elkyoh look. the annual #ubuntu-emo valentines day cryfest is kicking off08:59
Myrtti*snork*09:00
mneptokfor most of these you can s/long\ distance\ relationship/person\ i\ stalk\ online/09:01
elkylikely09:02
MyrttiHEEEYYY09:02
MyrttiI'm waiting for the flower delivery guy :-P09:02
elkysome of them are 'we went seperate ways for college and i havent let go yet' too09:02
Myrttiit's not all that bad09:02
mneptok"dude, 'long distance relationship' does not mean 'parallel universe where she knows you exist'."09:02
Myrtti♥ cynics09:03
mneptokwe changed the name of the club to "Realists" when puberty ended.09:05
* Tm_T dies09:05
Myrttihttp://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/02/13/lego-phone-you-know-for-kids-and-kidults/09:06
topylihmm kidults. i like that09:09
elkytopyli, did i tell you about the kid in my loco who is adamant that 'an OS written in python rather than C'?10:22
elkywould be better *10:22
* elky pokes uncle topyli10:24
Tm_Telky: what was his arguments?10:25
elkyTm_T, 'it has more functions'10:35
elkyTm_T, i'm not sure he realises that python is written in C10:35
elkyand even a kernel in Python would be running on C10:36
Myrttiif you give with a spoon, you cannot demand with a scoop10:37
Myrttinatural restrictions of human intelligence10:38
Myrtti"you cannot demand earthworm to do particle physics!"10:38
topylielky: i noticed you and someone else chat about that here the other day10:38
ikonia10:37 <+Myrtti> if you give with a spoon, you cannot demand with a scoop10:38
ikoniaquote of the week10:38
Myrttiikonia: finnish proverb10:39
Myrttiikonia: I think the original speaks of a ladle or similar10:39
topyliku on lusikalla annettu ni ei voi ämpärillä ottaa10:39
Myrttijos on lusikalla annettu ei voi kauhalla vaatia10:40
topylidialect war!10:40
Myrttikekekeke10:40
elkyhaha10:41
Tm_Tkids...10:41
Myrttimoar coffee?10:42
elkyi'd give you some coffee chocolate, but it really is not 'coffee intense' like it claims10:43
Tm_TI really begin to wonder once again why I spend so much time for hu-mans10:44
elkyha10:44
elkystoned kid alert for Ximal11:07
* Myrtti got a bouquet ♥ 11:07
elkyMyrtti, aww11:07
elkyMyrtti, does he have an equally cute and caring brother by any chance?11:08
ChipmonkMyrtti: meh, I got nothing :'(11:08
Myrttielky: 7 years his senior, grayish etc11:08
* elky /whois's11:09
elkyMyrtti, hrm, probably a little old for me then11:09
MyrttiGary you old sentimental sap11:09
Chipmonkyeah11:09
Myrttielky: yup :-(11:09
Chipmonkflowers would make me go awwwwww11:09
Myrttiah. wonderful.11:40
Tm_Thi Chipmonk 11:43
Tm_TChipmonk: didn't notice you here before, son11:43
Mez@schedule11:45
jpdsMez: 'tis broken.11:46
MyrttiChipmonk: alas, they're not pink11:47
Myrttihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3277873317/11:47
Myrttinot that I particularly care11:47
Mezwow, I've never really used a calendar app before, but am glad I'm using one now - lol - my calendar is rammed :D11:53
elkyMyrtti, i dont think he realises that 'the flat muddy moor' was once a forest.12:05
Myrttiyup12:06
elkyMyrtti, please stop me if i look like i'm going to kill them12:15
Myrttiok12:16
Tm_Telky: s/if/when/12:16
elkyMyrtti, thing is, i did actually do ecological science at University, and environmental management at College before i became a geek.12:34
elkyi know the full lifecycle of plantation farming of softwoods, and their primary uses12:35
Myrttielky: yeah - though I can see that there are certainly cases of unsustainable forest usage, in Finland that happened only for about 50 years or so and there's never been need to actually farm trees.12:36
elkyselective thinning of a planted forest is sustainable. wiping away entire chunks of forest every 20 years is not.12:37
elkyespecially when wiping away is followed by burning12:37
elkyand that is the current practice globally, not just here.12:37
jussi01slash and burn...12:38
elkymost wood usage is pure wastefulness12:38
MyrttiI think there has been studies in Finland about controlled forest fires as a method to get the forests to the so-called natural stage after cutting...12:39
elkythis cardboard box i have my pizza in, is 100% recycled... but i can go to the nearest landfill and i'll be able to spot tonnes of disposed wooden pallets12:39
* Myrtti shrugs12:40
elkyMyrtti, yes, controlled. not 'to get rid of everything else that lives here, and in five years time we'll come and doze and raze everything again, then turn the ash into the soil with heavy machinery, then plant seedlings.12:40
Myrttiyup12:41
elkythat's the current 'sustainable' process, and i completely disagree with it.12:41
MyrttiI really can't relate to the problems of forests and sustainability abroad since we seem to have everything handled in most cases with a sensible and truely sustainable way12:42
Myrttiand of course, I've been infused with propaganda since child12:42
MyrttiValkeakoski being dependant on wood, pulp, sellulose and paper since 19th century12:43
Tm_Telky: big chunk of electricity in my home region is done using wood, waste and water12:44
Tm_Tclean cuts are rarely seen12:44
Tm_Tbut still too often12:44
elkyMyrtti, as an example of a more sustainable process: we need sugar. we grow sugar cane to obtain it. once the sugar is out of the cane, the farmers used to burn the cane and the stubble. this was bad as it messed up the soil chem and ecology. so, now they turn the stubble into the soil, and turn the refuse into paper.12:45
Myrttiyup12:46
elkyan cane paper is brilliant paper. better than wood paper.12:46
Tm_Telky: oooh, I would like to get that kind of paper12:47
elkyMyrtti, i think topyli was right. it's not about his point, it's about making sure i'm wrong12:49
Tm_Telky: what where?12:49
elkyTm_T, gordon12:50
Tm_Twhich channel?12:50
Myrtti-ot12:50
Tm_Tah, I see, will search logs from web12:50
* Tm_T is not there12:50
elkyTm_T, the discussion above, with 'well where else can i get wood if i cant do it that way'12:52
elkyTm_T, and he's now turned to saying he cant eat grass, so vegetarianism sucks and he'll eat meat instead.12:52
Tm_T:-P12:52
Tm_Tkids...12:52
elkybasically he forms opinions of stuff based on half-truths, and refuses to accept the other half when it's given to him.12:56
* Myrtti yawns14:03
Myrtti!-search vietnam14:07
ubottuFound: 14:07
Mez!-vietnam14:07
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about vietnam14:07
Mez!search vietnam14:07
ubottuFound: 14:07
Mezmeh :P14:07
Myrttiindeedy14:08
Myrttigreat14:09
Myrtti!english14:09
ubottuThe #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat14:09
Myrtti*sigh*14:11
* Myrtti queries khanh_coltech14:11
Myrttithere14:14
Myrttimemo sent14:14
bazhangĐể được trợ giúp với Ubuntu tiếng Việt, xin vui lòng /join #ubuntu-vn Cảm ơn bạn:)14:23
bazhanghow about that for a temporary !vn factoid14:23
elkywhy only temporary?14:24
bazhangwell it is google translated14:25
elkyah14:25
elky!vn is <reply>Để được trợ giúp với Ubuntu tiếng Việt, xin vui lòng /join #ubuntu-vn Cảm ơn bạn14:25
ubottuI'll remember that, elky14:25
elky!vn14:25
ubottuĐể được trợ giúp với Ubuntu tiếng Việt, xin vui lòng /join #ubuntu-vn Cảm ơn bạn14:25
bazhangkept it simple14:25
Myrttithat looks bad with my fonts :-(14:27
elkyit's not us that it matters for14:29
bazhanghmm; no one in #ubuntu-vn will confirm or deny how it is14:31
Myrttibazhang: I sent khanh_coltech a memo message, when he gets it I hope he will be able to confirm14:33
bazhangMyrtti, okay; I will ask a couple more times in that channel as well14:33
elkygah. i forgot to clear stuff from the ban list14:43
bazhangĐể được trợ giúp về Ubuntu bằng ngôn ngữ Việt, xin vui lòng /join #ubuntu-vn. Rất vui lòng được giúp đỡ   <-- from admin from ubuntu.vn.org14:44
Myrtti!no vn is <reply> Để được trợ giúp về Ubuntu bằng ngôn ngữ Việt, xin vui  lòng /join #ubuntu-vn. Rất vui lòng được giúp đỡ14:45
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti14:45
Myrtti!vn ~= /  / /14:46
Myrtti!vn14:46
ubottuĐể được trợ giúp về Ubuntu bằng ngôn ngữ Việt, xin vui lòng /join #ubuntu-vn. Rất vui lòng được giúp đỡ14:46
bazhangchecked with google first of course14:46
elkyi've cleared half a dozen bans that were dupes. can someone go through the ballard list with bantracker and remove anything minor or un-findable.15:09
bazhang* [TOXICTOXICTOXICF] (n=TOXICTOX@59.183.19.15): TOXIC E TIME FAIL ALL CAPZ YO FAIL TROLL  jdong just a FYI; he has been trolling #u, #u-ot and others15:10
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elkybazhang, how similar are the IPs?15:17
elky(to other times)15:17
elkyanyway, sleeps time15:17
bazhang Match: *!*@59.183.57.130 by tonyyarusso in #ubuntu-offtopic on Feb 09 2009 11:59:54 (ID: 9866)15:18
bazhangfor nickchangertroll ; aka failtroll and several others elky 15:19
Myrttihow come I feel like I'm being ignored16:09
* mneptok pours a bucket of hot, frothy attention over Myrtti's head16:13
Grant-A*sigh*17:34
Grant-Ahttp://pastebin.com/m7ad396e117:34
ikoniaGrant-A: don't start this again17:34
Grant-AThat just doesn't seem very professional of him17:34
Grant-AHe was purposely trying to belittle my questioning17:35
ikoniaGrant-A: did jdong give you a warning in this channel a day or two ago about making random statments17:35
Grant-AI told him to stop, and he bans me17:35
ikoniaGrant-A: did jdong give you a warning in this channel a day or two ago about making random statments17:35
Grant-AI wasn't making random statements17:35
ikoniaGrant-A: did jdong give you a warning in this channel a day or two ago about making random statments17:35
Grant-Athat has nothing to do with this17:35
ikoniayes or no17:35
ikoniayes or no17:35
Grant-AI was not trying to make random statements17:35
ikoniayes or no17:35
Grant-A#17:35
Grant-A11:29 < Grant-A> p_quarles: I have no interest in argueing, I am simply17:35
Grant-A# interested in finding out why this case is still valid. So if17:35
Grant-A# you don't mind, this is an a b conversation so c yourself out17:35
ikoniaGrant-A: if you cannot answer the question - don't bother disputing anything17:36
Grant-Ayes, he did, but I was not making random statements17:36
Grant-AI was trying to get to the bottom of why this case is still valid17:36
* Myrtti reads the log and thinks: "How random"17:36
ikoniaGrant-A: right - so coming in and saying "you can't extend patents unless your in the pharamesectiucls industry" is not random and wrong ?17:36
Grant-Ano17:36
ikoniaooh17:37
Grant-Alooky here:17:37
Grant-Ahttp://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/dapp/opla/term/156.html17:37
Grant-Athat page is nothing but pharmaceuticals17:37
Grant-Aleading me to believe, due to no conflicting evidence, that it only applied to pharmaceuticals17:37
ikoniaso ?17:37
ikoniathat does not make what you said fact17:37
Grant-A11:37 < Grant-A> leading me to believe, due to no conflicting evidence, that it  only applied to pharmaceuticals17:38
Grant-AIt's not my fault if my evidence lead me to believe something that may have been wrong17:38
Grant-Aall I did was tell p_quarels to stop, he gets angry, and bans me17:39
ikoniaGrant-A: that's not what happened17:39
Grant-Ayes17:39
ikoniaGrant-A: you make a one sided argument every time17:39
Grant-AI told him that this was an a b conversation, and for him to c himself out17:39
Tm_TGrant-A: that is not nicely said, son17:39
ikoniano you didn't17:39
Grant-Aikonia: http://pastebin.com/m7ad396e117:39
ikoniaGrant-A: and this is what you did last time, twisted words17:40
Grant-Aikonia: It's in the pastebin17:40
Grant-ADude!17:40
Grant-AI did not twist words!17:40
Grant-Athat is IN the pastebin for God's sake!17:40
ikonia#17:40
ikonia11:31 < Grant-A> p_quarles: You're only purpose in this conversation was to disclaim my questions and understandings17:40
ikonia#17:40
ikoniayou missed those lines out17:40
ikonia11:31 < Grant-A> p_quarles: The exact definition of troll17:40
Grant-Ayes, he was trolling17:40
Grant-A#17:40
Grant-A11:28 < p_quarles> ikonia: generally speaking, claims made by Grant-A aren't17:40
Grant-A# actually "true"17:40
ikoniaGrant-A: and you missed out the fact that you've got a long history in the channel of doing this17:40
ikoniaGrant-A: yes - that has been proven fact17:41
Grant-Aof what? trying to find the truth?17:41
ikoniaGrant-A: hence why jdong gave you a warning17:41
jdongmultiple.17:41
Grant-Ato not make arguements and constantly refute what other people said17:41
Grant-AI was trying to figure out why this was still going on and I was trying to deeply understand your side17:42
Grant-AI wanted nothing else but to figure this out17:42
Grant-Aif I didn't this wouldn't have happened:17:42
Grant-A#17:42
Grant-A11:30 < ikonia> Grant-A: contact the US patent office17:42
Grant-A#17:42
Grant-A11:30 < Grant-A> ok17:42
Grant-A#17:42
Grant-A11:30 < ikonia> Grant-A: they will know for fact17:42
Grant-AI wouldn't have simply said "ok" if I wanted to troll17:42
ikoniaI said that because you where referencing documents then saying the opposite17:42
* Myrtti sees a cat chasing his tail17:43
Tm_Tindeed17:43
Grant-AIt's not my fault that big blocks of text like that tend to run together in my head17:43
Grant-AI saw this line:17:43
Tm_TMyrtti: hugses?17:43
ikoniayou quoted a wiki pedia page that said the terms of patents - then made the statment about it only being valid for drugs company - which disagreed with the link you just said17:43
ikoniaenough now17:43
Grant-Ahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_patent_in_the_United_States17:43
Grant-A"However, a terminal disclaimer does not negate Patent Term Extension that has been granted under 35 U.S.C. 156.[11] In a pharmaceutical patent dispute"17:43
ikoniaGrant-A: stop - please17:43
Grant-AI read that, it ran together, and I thought it said the extention could be granted only for pharmaceuticals17:44
Myrttiwhich channel is this on again?17:44
ikoniaubuntuforums17:44
Myrttioh, right17:44
Myrtti#ubuntuforums17:44
Grant-A#ubuntuforums, but ubottu doesn't log it17:44
Grant-AI have two screenshots17:44
Grant-AI will upload them to imageshack if required17:44
ikoniawe don't need screen shots17:44
ikoniajdong: I suggest you deal with this - it's getting really old now17:44
Tm_TI believe that channel is logged too17:44
ikoniathis is the 4th time this has happened this month alone17:45
Grant-ATm_T: We tried it once, ubottu said he didn't log it :/17:45
Grant-AWell then obviously there is a problem!17:45
Tm_TGrant-A: who said it must be logged by ubottu, meh17:45
jussi01Grant-A: ubottu logs it, just not publically ;)17:45
Grant-AP Quarels did nothing in that conversation but try to belittle my statements17:45
jussi01ubuntulog doesnt log it17:45
jdongIMO we've been down this path too many times..17:45
Tm_Tjussi01: roger17:45
ikoniaGrant-A: have you thought about looking at other channels that may suit your dicussion better ?17:45
Grant-AI was simply asking why this patent was still valid17:45
jdongI've tried my best to solve this problem without any kicking or banning.17:46
Grant-AI wanted no part in an arguement, and I even told you guys that in the channel!17:46
jdongbut I don't see such a solution any more.17:46
jdongI suggest that Grant-A at least take a short leave from the channel.17:46
Grant-AI just think it's wrong that I tell p quarels to quit and I get kicked for it!17:46
Grant-A?!?!17:46
jdongthat is not why you were kicked.17:47
Grant-Ait was a conversation between just me and ikonia, and p quarels kicks me when I tell him to stop17:47
Grant-A#17:47
Grant-A11:29 < Grant-A> p_quarles: I have no interest in argueing, I am simply17:47
Grant-A# interested in finding out why this case is still valid. So if17:47
Grant-A# you don't mind, this is an a b conversation so c yourself out17:47
Grant-A#17:47
Grant-A11:30 < ikonia> Grant-A: contact the US patent office17:47
jdongyou were ultimately kicked because this is about the 6th time we've had one of these factual-inaccuracy confrontations in 1.5 months.17:47
Grant-A#17:47
ikoniaGrant-A: STOP 17:47
Grant-A11:30 < Grant-A> ok17:47
Grant-A#17:47
Grant-A11:30 < ikonia> Grant-A: they will know for fact17:47
ikoniaGrant-A: I've asked you to STOP doing that17:47
Grant-A#17:47
jdongPLEASE STOP POSTING LOGS.17:47
ikoniaGrant-A: STOP 17:47
Grant-A11:30 < p_quarles> Grant-A: excuse me?17:47
ikoniaenough17:47
Myrttithank you dear17:48
jussi01now then, Grant-A, you should know much better than to paste in channel17:48
* Myrtti can hear that in Aussie accent, damnit17:48
Grant-A?17:49
Grant-Athat was odd17:49
Grant-AI didn't know +b didn't kick17:49
jussi01Grant-A: that was a mute ;)17:49
Myrttiit can be used to mute17:49
Grant-Aoh17:49
Myrttiatleast in this netwoerk17:49
Myrtti-e17:49
* Grant-A thinks freenode needs a man page17:49
jdongit does.17:49
jussi01!modes | Grant-A17:50
ubottuGrant-A: There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml17:50
Tm_TGrant-A: you have lot to learn, my young padawan17:50
jussi01anyway, back to the matter at hand17:50
Grant-Athis is probably why everyone being anonymous in this channel would probably be a better idea17:51
ikonia?17:51
Grant-Ait seems that the irc council is too tightly knit to possibly accuse one of its own of wrong doing17:51
MyrttiGrant-A: I think anonymity in IRC is in general a bad idea17:51
Grant-AI will see myself out17:51
jussi01Grant-A: bye17:52
Myrttithat was... random17:52
jussi01no, expected17:52
ikoniathis is getting really old with him17:52
nickrudthe only thing limiting my sarcasm is non-anonymity17:52
ikonianickrud: nie17:52
jdongMyrtti: not to someone who's seen it happen twice in here already :)17:52
Grant-Abtw, I almost forgot to say17:52
Grant-Anotice that everyone of my problems is directly related to p quarels17:52
Grant-Aevery one I ever bring in here17:52
Grant-Aso, with that in mind17:53
ikoniayou where moaning about jdong17:53
ikoniaso it's not17:53
Grant-AWhen?17:53
jdongnotice that he was saying on behalf of all the operators in this channel.17:53
Grant-AWhen was I moaning about jdong?17:53
jdongthe IRC protocol doesn't support a everybody-holds-hands-kick17:53
jdongGrant-A: the last time you were in here.17:53
jdongthat was entirely brought forth against me.17:53
Grant-Aah, right, that one17:53
Grant-Ap quarels was still a catalyst though17:53
jdongyour inability to factually acccurately recount your own recent history concerns me.17:54
ikoniaGrant-A: again - please don't make one sided agruments missing out key details to make your point17:54
jdongGrant-A: You have some self-improving to do; being open-sided to arguments and thinking/researching *critically* before you say17:55
Grant-AI can suspect that none of these problems would have escalated to their current point had he not been in there, such as this latest incident where I was just disucssing with ikonia, and he jumps in to try and kill my statements, I ask him to leave, he takes offense by saying "Excuse Me?" and I get kicked17:55
jdongagain, I really think you can benefit from time off.17:55
ikoniaGrant-A: that is not what happened17:55
ikoniaGrant-A: you called him a troll 17:55
ikoniaGrant-A: you "forgot" to mention tht17:55
ikoniathat17:55
ikoniayou didn't get kicked for "excuses me"17:55
Grant-Ayou don't call jumping into a conversation to dispute someone's statements trollish?17:55
ikoniaI am tried of you twisting the facts to make your agument right17:56
Grant-Aespecially when I tried to ask him to stop?17:56
ikoniaGrant-A: so the statment you want to make to be acureate was17:56
ikonia"I was asking him to stop, I called him a troll and he kicked me"17:56
ikoniadoesn't quite look as good as "excuse me" and he kicked me does it17:56
Grant-Ayes, because isn't jumping into an a b conversation to directly attack another's factual basis a troll?17:57
ikoniaGrant-A: that's not what I'm telling you17:57
Grant-Aespecially when I did not ask for his opinion?17:57
ikoniaGrant-A: you don't have the ability to listen17:57
jussi01Grant-A: ok, Having seen how things are, I think its best you have some time off. you are banned in #ubuntuforums and it will stay that way for the next 2 weeks, after that, please come back here and ask about your ban.17:57
Grant-Aok then17:57
Grant-Aplease talk to p quarels, though17:57
Grant-Abye~17:58
jussi01Grant-A: bye17:58
jussi01*deep breath*17:58
* Chipmonk popcorns17:58
jdongwas just going to tell you guys he comes 99% in after leaving.17:58
* ikonia takes another sip of wine to numb the pain17:58
ikoniaChipmonk: gary ??? really17:59
jpdsWhat are p quarels?17:59
nickrudlol17:59
ikoniajdong: forums op17:59
ikoniajpds: sorry17:59
jussi01hehe17:59
ikoniajdong: I've seen him do it 4 times now - I think it's well know17:59
Chipmonkhey ikonia 17:59
ikoniapasting 2 lines say "look look I got kicked for sneezing"17:59
ikoniamissing out the 40 lines above where he is kicking off17:59
ikoniaChipmonk: errrrr what's with the nick17:59
Chipmonkikonia: you have the patience of a saint \o/18:00
ikoniaChipmonk: ??? I doubt that18:00
ikoniathe wine is numbing me18:00
Chipmonkikonia: oh it was a dare/fun18:00
jdonglol yes.18:00
ikoniaChipmonk: I hope you won18:00
* jussi01 prods ikonia18:00
jdonghe loves picking out one-liners that make someone look bad18:00
jdongand then completely refuses that there's another side.18:00
jdongI am still pretty surprised he forgot the last time he came in here it was pure 20 minutes of why I am a bad person.18:01
jussi01jdong: he just got worked up18:01
jussi01I got sick of it, was going no where, and I felt he needed someone to be "decisive" about it.18:02
jdongindeed.18:02
jdongmneptok stepped in last time to find middle ground18:02
mneptokand i hate doing that kinda crap. it reeks of emotional maturity.18:08
* nickrud runs, shrieking and covering his ears18:08
mneptoksee? no one likes it. there's a certain weltschraum we need to preserve.18:09
nickspoonIf I knew what 'weltschraum' meant I would certainly agree.18:14
Myrtti@bansearch nbeebo18:39
ubottuMatch: nbeebo!n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com by LjL in #ubuntu on Dec 10 2008 22:08:15 (ID: 7821)18:39
ubottuMatch: nbeebo!n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com by LjL in #ubuntu-offtopic on Dec 18 2008 21:07:15 (ID: 8102)18:39
ubottuMatch: nbeebo!n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com by bazhang in #ubuntu-offtopic on Dec 31 2008 03:19:42 (ID: 8479)18:39
ubottuMatch: nbeebo!n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com by bazhang in #ubuntu-ops on Jan 07 2009 04:32:41 (ID: 8775)18:39
Myrttiintresting18:39
topylihe is a regular annoyance18:40
Myrttihejssan tralala ;-)18:40
nickrudsometimes amusing, but usually not18:40
Myrttiohmygawd.18:41
Myrttisomeone has found a harmonica18:41
topylii've given my godson countless harmonicas and steel drums as christmas/birthday presents, and they always seem to be "missing" after a day or two18:42
nickspoonMaybe he just doesn't like harmonicas?18:42
nickrudsomeone in his family has some sense18:42
* Myrtti wants to shove the harmonica down their throat18:42
nickspoonI love harmonicas <318:43
topylinickspoon: oh he loves them, i guess nickrud is on the right track here18:43
topylimoreover, they want to stay somewhat sane. i would never give him such a present if i lived with them. but this way, i'm out in a few hours18:44
topylievil grin smiley yet to be invented18:44
nickrudI love harmonica as well; but there's few things more annoying than someone playing who doesn't know how18:44
topylii can assure you my grandson does not18:45
topyligrandson? godson18:45
nickspoonTry >:), topyli.19:04
topylii've seen that used, but it's a poor evil grin :-(19:05
nickspoonThere aren't any particularly evil-looking characters.19:05
nickspoon>:] perhaps.19:05
nickrud>-) maybe19:07
nickrudcribbed19:07
ubottuIn #ubuntu, LostChain said: ubottu: sound is working fine20:00
nickrudcan someone explain to me the gain of having two nicks and using one to insult the other?20:26
Myrttibaiting others to participate20:28
nickrudah.20:29
nickrudthat is a terrible nick20:29
PicipodBag20:29
PicipodBag?20:29
Picifine. you ruined my example with props20:30
* nickrud understands very little20:30
Myrttiwheeeee20:32
MyrttiI'm learning Python20:32
Myrttiexiting20:32
Piciexit() ?20:32
Myrttiexciting, even20:33
PiciI know ;)20:33
jdongok, let's see how this FreeBSD-on-a-stick thing works.20:40
Myrttisyockit: how may we help you20:52
dayo2yes, i was asked by nickrud to come here20:52
syockitumm? I just want to know what usually happens around here20:53
dayo2nickrud: are u here?20:53
syockitok read topic20:53
nickruddayo2, yes, one sec20:53
dayo2nickrud: ol20:53
dayo2ok*20:53
nickruddayo2, I've found the address on the net20:53
nickrudso, why was a colleague at the same ip insulting you so well?20:54
dayo2nickrud: we're both IT admins at AUST: http://aust.edu.ng/node/1020:54
dayo2nickrud: i'm Dayo (obviously), and he's Bobby 20:54
dayo2nickrud: at first i tried to get in touch with a mod on ubuntuforums: http://paste.ubuntu.com/118178/20:55
dayo2nickrud: because he's a childish little sh*t.20:55
nickrudah, one of those.20:55
dayo2we're behind the same IP, but we're two different people.20:56
nickruddayo2, ok, I'll pull the ban for now; your ip does lead to that edu and your name matches ;)20:56
nickruddayo2, but the basic rules apply: if we get continuous grief from that ip, the ban will go back up20:56
nickrud!coc | dayo2 you might want to give this link to bobby20:56
ubottudayo2 you might want to give this link to bobby: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/20:56
dayo2nickrud: thank you. i appreciate that. and the IP is going to change soon, because we're migrating to a new ISP, once the suits get the paperwork in order20:57
dayo2ok i will make sure he gets the link. thank you for your understanding20:57
nickruda rarity: someone who can actually document his case20:58
wgrantMez: Hm?21:46
Mezwgrant: lol - it was in a middle of a netsplit and only you and I were there22:03
Myrttiwheee22:03
MyrttiI hate lag22:03
Mezas do we all :D22:04
Mezwell, I think all of us anyway :D22:04
Myrttihrm22:06
MyrttiI'm starting to think I actually might like some things in Java more than in Python22:06
MyrttiI guess there's nothing like Javadoc in Python...22:07
MyrttiI liked that in Java22:07
* Myrtti feels old22:09
nickrudhttp://epydoc.sourceforge.net/relatedprojects.html Myrtti 22:09
Myrttimy gawd that looks awful :-(22:10
Myrttiohhhhkay22:16
Myrttiwhee.22:27
MyrttiI can code.22:27
Piciya22:28
Piciy22:28
jussi01apple beer FTW! :D (oh, sorry for the interuption, do continue :) )22:35
* Myrtti snaps a silicon wristband on jussi01's back22:37
jussi01Myrtti: facebook!22:39
Myrttijussi01: why do you always ask difficult questions22:44
Myrttijussi01: do you honestly think I used a recipe for those rolls :-D22:44
Myrtti"mmmmm needs more flour"22:44
Myrttijussi01: there you go, anyway22:45
jussi01:D22:45
MyrttiI never use recipies, unless I'm baking a cake or something22:45
Myrttibread is just... bread22:45
MyrttiI should go put my flowers to a cooler place22:46
jribyou got flowers?23:05

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