/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/15/#ubuntu+1.txt

BUGabundo1just to be sure : what gw do I see on the wifi card?00:00
hggdhthe gw should be your local IP on the wifi00:03
BUGabundo1on both sides, correct?00:03
hggdhyes00:04
BUGabundo1not my day00:06
BUGabundo12nd laptop just kernel froze00:06
BUGabundo1HARD reboot00:06
hggdhyeeee! These are indeed interesting times ;-)00:07
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BUGabundobah00:14
BUGabundoNM also prefers wifi to 3G00:14
BUGabundoreading up man route00:14
BUGabundoto set a diff default route00:14
Turlcan you help me debug why doesn't the screen lock on lid close?00:24
BUGabundonot tonigh00:25
Turl:(00:25
BUGabundotoo tired and with an headhacke00:25
Turlanyone else?00:25
BUGabundoI set mine to not lock any way00:26
BUGabundowhat does your gconf-editor keys for gnome-power-manager say?00:26
Turlin which part of the gnome-power-manager keys? it has loads of subkeys :p00:28
* BUGabundo didn't I say I was tired?00:28
* BUGabundo makes an effor and looks up00:28
Turlyeah you did00:28
BUGabundoapps/gnome-power-manager/lock00:29
BUGabundobut it seems this is done by screen saver00:30
Turlodd, if I set it up to suspend, it works beautifully00:30
BUGabundo/apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled00:30
TurlI enabled "lock screen when screensaver is on" but nothing00:30
Turljust checked that key, it's on :S00:31
macoTurl: gnome hasnt offered to lock screen on lid close since feisty. i guess it was too many options confusing user00:33
macokde still has it00:33
Turlmaco: I used to have it enabled on Intrepid :/00:33
Turland it worked00:34
Turlyou just need to set up the "blacken screen" action on gnome-power-manager and then setup the screensaver to lock screen00:34
Turlbut it doesn't seem to work in jaunty00:34
macoTurl: oh. it used to just plain have "on lid close: lock screen"00:36
macoif you enable the screensaver manually, then what happens?00:36
Turlhow can you enable it manually? :p00:37
TurlI have set it up to activate in 1 min, lets see what happens00:37
macook00:37
macoyou can right click the battery too i think...or maybe its the lock screen applet that has right-click -> enable screensaver00:38
Turlwell, it appeared and well, locked the screen00:39
macohm ok00:39
macois thre a "screensaver" option for lid close?00:40
Turlsec, I think I know what's going on00:40
Turlno, it wasn't what I thought00:41
BUGabundo(12:44:25 AM) asac: BUGabundo: cant you set metric manually in connection editor?00:47
RichWI need to know if python 2.6 will make it to jaunty final?00:50
RichWI am a open source software developer.00:51
BUGabundoI don't think so RichW00:52
BUGabundoit aint even on universe00:52
RichWnice to see they put in python 3 though... good for developing software for ubuntu +200:53
BUGabundoyes p3 is in00:53
RichWi dont see why they dont just keep 2.5 as default and then have 2.6 launch with the usual python2.6 command00:54
RichWif they want to play safe for now.00:54
RichWif they can manage 3 why not 2.6?00:56
BUGabundoyou have to ask to who ever mantains it00:56
BUGabundoI don't have a clear reply00:56
BUGabundoI think there was some talk about it on ubuntu-devel-discuss ML00:57
Turlwii :D I made lock on lid close work :p00:57
TurlI had to enable "use_screensaver_settings"00:57
Turland then it worked :D00:57
BUGabundoTurl: can you right about in on the wiki ?01:00
BUGabundoso future users find it ?01:00
macos/right/write/01:00
BUGabundothanks maco01:00
BUGabundoI should be in bed... I'm getting sicker by the minute01:00
macoso go to bed!01:01
Turlwhere should I write it maco?01:01
macoum....i dont know01:02
macolooking for a good page...01:02
Turlhow was that syntax to do gconf editing fron the term?01:02
macoer i guess just make a page for it01:03
macothere's no page about screen lock right now01:03
Turlis there any section or something? I find the ubuntu wiki quite different :/01:04
dtchengconftool-2 -s -t datatype /path val01:04
BUGabundoas I was saying before twitter plugin kill pidgin: I have this terrible headache! I usually don't suffer from this, so its quite annoying01:04
dtchenman gconftool-201:04
hggdhwelcome to migrane country...01:05
macodtchen: when i wave my hand in front of your face, it means i want to talk to you01:08
dtchenmaco: wait in line.01:10
macodtchen: 1) i think this place is closing soon 2) dont you get hungry?01:11
dtchenmaco: 1) not for another 44 minutes, 2) not currently01:16
yesyesis anyone having issues with firefox in jaunty? when i lauch firefox from the command line nothing happens, not even an error message and nothing appears in top/ps.01:23
yesyesthe same thing happens when i run the file directly from /usr/share/firefox01:24
macowhich firefox01:24
macoer01:24
macorun "which firefox"01:24
yesyes3.0.601:24
maconot a valid answer01:24
yesyes/usr/bin/firefox01:25
macothere we go01:25
macols -l /usr/bin/firefox01:25
dtchenmake sure you don't have stale processes01:25
macodtchen: firefox nowadays opens a new window in the original proc, doesnt it?01:25
yesyesthat points to /usr/bin/firefox-3.0 which points to ../lib/firefox-3.0.6/firefox.sh01:26
macook and if you run *that*?01:26
macomaybe with -debug or whatever they offer?01:26
maco-safe-mode?01:27
yesyesone second i'm having issues with my wm...01:27
yesyesfirefox.sh hangs...01:28
macohuh. you're right. even with -safe-mode01:30
yesyesweird01:30
yesyesi'm having to use epiphany now :/01:32
bluefoxicyif I upgrade what should break01:34
yesyesfirefox apparently hah.01:34
macobluefoxicy: random?01:35
bluefoxicyheh01:35
bluefoxicy8.10 is buggy as shit anyway01:35
bluefoxicy9.04 can't be that bad.01:35
yesyesi was having no problems with it until today01:36
IdleOnebluefoxicy, how can a "stable" release be buggy mean that the following Alpha is better?01:37
bluefoxicyIdleOne:  when the "Stable" release actively fails to recognize random hardware and breaks i.e. my iPod trying (failing) to properly encode MP3s, it's obvious somebody released an "Alpha" and forgot to actually fix the broken crap01:38
bluefoxicythis was a very sloppy release01:38
yesyeswhere are the 'valid language files'? opera is asking for one.01:42
yesyesnevermind; working now.01:44
skyjumperanyone able to use the android adb debugger in jaunty?02:21
ali1234skyjumper: with a real phone or the emulator?02:39
skyjumperreal phone, but i got it working02:40
ali1234cool02:40
skyjumperhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/31621502:40
ubottuUbuntu bug 316215 in hal "rule to enable use of android's adb" [Undecided,Incomplete]02:40
unixdawgwow jaunty works great on a p3 600 384 megs of ram02:44
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unixdawgso has koffice been fixed so it does not deinstall kde4.203:49
unixdawglast time I tried to install it i screwed up kde 4.203:50
DanaGhttp://xkcd.com/543/05:21
DanaGAnything new with the jackalope today?05:24
MrGoodkat_how do i add all servers to jaunty mid?05:53
MrGoodkat_i just got the mainserver, but that one is pretty slow over here, usually i use the server for taiwan or china, but i cant choose them in jaunty05:53
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cwilluoooo, uswsusp builds s2ram again06:25
Teknobtw06:26
Teknois it possible to use uswsusp without initrd?06:26
Teknosomehow06:26
cwilluno idea, sorry06:26
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cwilluwhy don't you have one though?  I always used them even when I built my own kernels (I've since recovered from that disorder :p)06:28
Teknodecreases boot time06:29
Teknoat least second lol :D06:29
TeknoI want under 20s ;)06:29
DanaGrandom: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4818&review=hp+mini+1000+mi06:32
cwilluTekno, probably would have more luck switching the rc files over to native upstart06:33
cwilluTekno, if you happen to be interested, I'm all for testing that :)06:34
cwilluTekno, of course, s2both eliminates most of the remaining benefits to a quick bootup :p06:35
DanaGGood to see OEMs getting into Linux.06:35
Teknocwillu: yea, but with slow hdd takes ages to shutdown with s2both/s2p06:36
cwilluTekno, you're not supposed to care :p06:36
Tekno2GB ram and SSD with 8MB/s writing speed06:36
cwilluah, heh06:37
cwilluTekno, although an aggressive pre-swap might mitigate that delay at the cost of most of the life of the ssd :p06:38
chu_hey, what is the general experience with SuSE here?07:03
chu_whoops07:04
macohaha07:12
cwilluE: core-utils.c: Home directory /root not ours07:12
cwilluoutput of /usr/lib/pm-utils/01PulseAudio07:13
cwilluand hence inhibiting07:13
cwillubut I don't see how it could work anywhere07:13
macoer...07:13
cwillususpend from gpm is failing due to pulseaudio inhibiting it07:13
macoin jaunty right?07:15
cwilluyes07:16
cwillumaco, what parameters to sudo is your /usr/lib/pm-utils/01PulseAudio using?07:16
macocwillu: dtchen is looking at the source code right now07:16
macocwillu: pastebin output of: ls -l ~/.pulse*07:16
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DanaGFor me, PA dies every single time I resume from suspend.  Grr.07:19
cwillumaco, http://pastebin.com/f35fc1c9007:19
cwillumaco, if what I saw was actually what's in the package and not some modification I forgot about, it needs an -H07:19
macocwillu: needs an -H?07:20
cwillumaco, sudo doesn't change $home, so pactl wouldn't be operating on the correct user07:21
macocwillu: ok do it again -ld07:21
cwilluat least, in my case :p07:21
macocwillu: he's trying to see ~/.pulse07:21
macocwillu: woah i dont know what you're saying. what uses -H?07:22
cwillumaco, sorry, see the existence of it, or the contents?07:22
cwillumaco, that pastebin includes .pulse07:22
macocwillu: the permissions on it07:22
macocwillu: the permissions for .pulse arent there, just its contents' permissions07:22
cwilluoh, sorry :p07:22
macocwillu: meh, he's the one that told me to tell you the wrong flag :P07:23
cwilludrwx------ 2 cwillu cwillu 4096 2009-02-14 23:21 .pulse/07:23
cwillulooks right to me07:23
macoyou've puzzled him07:23
cwillumaco, the sudo lines in /usr/lib/pm-utils/01PulseAudio need to use -H to set the home directory, or they'll just read /root as cwillu (in my case), rather than /home/cwillu/...07:24
cwillusudo doesn't change the home dir by default07:24
macooh...07:24
cwilluand again, I don't know that this wasn't a previous screwup on my part causing me to have the wrong line in there in the first place :p07:25
macoare there multiple PA users logged in simultaneously?07:25
cwillunope07:25
macohe says that'll only make a difference if multiple PA users are logged int07:25
maco*in07:25
macohe does agree that the -H should probably be there though07:25
cwillumaco, smack him for me :p07:26
macomy arms aren't 10 feet long, sorry07:26
cwilluit'll make a difference, it's trying to read /root as cwillu07:26
cwillumaco, that's why I keep a stick around :p07:26
* cwillu smacks dtchen with a stick07:26
cwillumaco, tell him to _su_ to root, and then sudo -u <user> pactl07:27
cwilluthat'll demonstrate what happens in the hook07:27
macoyou mis-typed that path, right? should have a sleep.d in there? really confusing me when i try to look at the file and what you said is non-existent :P07:28
cwillusudo -u root sudo -u <user> pactl... won't demo it, as the first sudo doesn't change the homedir away in the first place07:28
cwillumaco, ah, yes, sorry07:28
cwillujoys of typing from a stable workstation :p07:28
macoah07:28
cwillufor my next trick:  /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/95hdparm-apm resume suspend: /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/95hdparm-apm: line 26: get_power_status: command not found07:29
cwilluand I know I didn't muck with that one :p07:29
DanaGwait, is pm-utils doing something with PulseAudio?07:30
cwilluDanaG, of course :p07:31
macocwillu: he says theoretically the -H should only matter with multiple users, but you must be hitting a race condition. if it wasnt a race condition, we'd all hit it07:31
cwilluDanaG, check /var/log/pm-suspend.log07:31
cwillumaco, he's wrong, frankly :p07:31
cwilluafaik07:31
DanaGLately, my system has failed to even try to suspend.07:32
cwilluunless pactl is inventing its own home dir string07:32
DanaGI hit sleep, and the screen locks... and that's it.07:32
macocwillu: i think its something to do with the loops...07:32
macooh brb. im going to try to induce a kernel panic now.07:32
DanaGYet, sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh --force works fine.07:32
cwillumaco, ask him if pactl should _ever_ work with $home set to somebody elses homedir07:32
DanaGI am using the PA 0.9.15, though.07:33
cwillumaco, i.e., how is pactl supposed to find /home/cwillu/.pulse if the homedir is /root, as it will always be with an unadorned sudo -u?07:35
ltsmooth42i remember i used to be able to press alt-f2 to bring up a run window.  was this removed or was the key replaced?  i'm referring to gnome07:36
cwillultsmooth42, doesn't work here anymore either07:37
cwillushortcut is still set correctly07:37
cwilluDanaG, can you pastebin /var/log/pm-suspend.log?07:37
DanaGNot in Linux right now, but I'll give it a try tomorrow.07:37
macocwillu: only a couple people have hit this bug. it actually was in hardy07:37
ltsmooth42maco: it worked for me in hardy07:39
ltsmooth42i lvoe the run dialog07:39
cwillumaco, okay?  it's still wrong :p07:39
macoltsmooth42: yeah me too07:39
macocwillu: right, but depending on the race you may/may not hitit07:39
cwillumaco, uh?07:40
cwillumaco, which, pactl not finding my home dir?07:40
macoyeah07:40
cwillumaco, why is pactl doing anything beyond reading $home?07:40
macocwillu: can be multiple instances of pulse running if multiple users use it07:41
macoso it tries to go through a list and kill it for all of them07:41
cwillumaco, yes, but _that_ list is right07:41
ltsmooth42but other than the missing run dialog i've been using 9.04 rather than 8.0407:41
cwilluit's returning cwillu07:41
cwillumaco, but sudo -u cwillu won't change $home, ever07:41
macoso for multiple users, hitting that bug should be *very* easy. for only one, it'd be uncommon, but possible07:41
cwillusu sudo -u cwillu will always have home set to /root, for instance07:41
cwillumaco, I only have one user logged in07:42
maco*shrug* there's some suid stuff happening in there too though. if you look at core-util.c you see that07:42
dtchencwillu: it's libpulse0 via src/pulsecore/core-util.c, and it's a race between what getuid() returns and what sudo tells it07:42
macoyay youre here to explain what i cannot07:43
cwilluyay :)07:43
dtcheni've already fixed it in bzr07:43
macocwillu: thats a hint to go test his branch07:43
macoand giv efeedback, of course07:43
cwilluI'm sorry :p07:45
cwilludtchen, is there any reason why it should be reading anything but the ~/.pulse?07:45
cwillubeyond a system daemon07:45
dtchencwillu: yes, the state needs to be stored07:47
dtchen(unless your question is cleverly asking something else)07:47
cwilludtchen, why should ever try to read /root/.pulse if I'm not running as root?07:48
cwilluis what I'm asking :)07:48
dtchenit shouldn't07:48
cwilluit will, every time07:49
cwilluunless sudo -H is used07:49
cwilluyou follow what I'm saying?07:49
dtchenno, it depends what $HOME is when sudo is invoked07:49
cwilluwhich will be /root07:50
cwilluin those hooks07:50
dtchenit didn't crop up in SRU testing07:50
cwilludtchen, the pm-utils hooks will be run as root, $home won't be set to the user07:51
dtchencwillu: i'm not contesting that07:52
cwilluso, when you sudo -u cwillu _in_ one of those hooks, it'll be reading /root/.pulse, right?07:52
cwillu(which it does)07:52
cwillu(on my systems at least)07:52
dtchenit doesn't here.07:52
cwilluhow could it not?07:53
dtchenI don't even have /root/.pulse*07:53
cwillutrace it, I bet it's trying to read /root/.pulse, failing, and then falling back on whatever mechanism07:53
pwnguinanyone feel like playing a game (in the name of bug hunting)?07:54
dtchenperhaps, but i don't have the resources to do so ATM; there are a billion other bugs i need to fix07:54
cwilludtchen, just put a -H in the sudo line, and I'll huggle you forever07:54
cwilluor I'll promise to stop huggling, if you would prefer07:55
dtchen02:43 < dtchen> i've already fixed it in bzr07:55
maco_figures. i hibernate to induce a kernel panic so i can take a picture of it, but it's gone in -7-generic. then, while i'm running just fine, it panics as soon as i move the mouse.07:55
pwnguinbug #26118907:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261189 in rrootage "rrootage crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26118907:55
pwnguinit's probably closed but i dont have 3d to test with in jaunty =/07:56
* DanaG is glad to have serial-over-LAN.08:01
* DanaG has one major gripe about "radeon" over fglrx: it uses way too damn much power to not accelerate anything.08:01
DanaGI'm talking 30 watts on battery.08:01
DanaGfglrx+compiz == 19 watts for whole system....08:01
DanaG... radeon + metacity == 30 watts!08:02
DanaGIt's already aged my battery (that is, reduced actual max capacity!) by 10 minutes (judged in Windows).08:02
pwnguinbut they have documentation!08:02
DanaGYeah, I still don't regret ATI hardware...08:02
pwnguini mean, ati released docs and now their video cards only render rainbows and cure cancer08:03
DanaG... I just wish they'd implemented powerplay even bEFORE releasing 3D specs.08:03
DanaGTo me, not KILLING my battery (30 watts!) is worth more to me than having 3D acceleration.08:03
DanaGIt's like redlining your engine... while coasting downhill... in neutral.08:04
SwedeMikewow, I just checked powertop, pulseaudio is doing 600 wakeups per second total.08:05
pwnguinseriously though, if someone can test rrootage gigawing 9a for segfaults, that'd be good08:05
pwnguinSwedeMike: i always get rescheduling interrupts08:06
SwedeMikewhen I ran 8.10, I used to total around 100-150 per second total for the whole system08:06
DanaGI also have this other issue in Intrepid: can't use fglrx versions newer than 8.543.08:06
SwedeMike  24.7% (320.9)        pulseaudio : common_timer_set (posix_timer_fn)08:06
SwedeMike  24.4% (318.0)        pulseaudio : schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup)08:06
dtchenSwedeMike: it'll get better in the next upload [at the expense of disabling glitch-free globally]08:07
maco_SwedeMike: even in jaunty?08:07
SwedeMike  17.0% (221.4)       <interrupt> : extra timer interrupt08:07
dtchenmaco_: yes, it's worse in jaunty08:07
SwedeMikemaco_: my figures pasted here is fram jaunty, 8.10 had 100-150 /s, jaunty does 800/s08:07
maco_dtchen: when i made that complaint on hardy, you said new versions of pulse fix it...08:07
maco_or was it my sound driver that was waking up in hardy?08:07
dtchenmaco_: glitch-free is way more expensive on BROKEN HDA codecs08:08
maco_oh right08:08
dtchenthere are only a handful of GOOD HDA codecs08:08
maco_SwedeMike: so what he's saying, is your hardware sucks08:08
maco_he was saying this to me yesterday08:08
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macocant type08:08
SwedeMikemaco_: mkay, but why did it get worse from 8.10 ?08:09
macoSwedeMike: 9.04 has glitch-free PulseAudio08:09
macowhich is great when your hardware's not crappy08:09
* DanaG happens to have a good HDA codec, it seems.08:09
pwnguin5.5% ( 15.1)      <kernel IPI> : TLB shootdowns08:09
macowhen your hardware *is* crappy, the driver and pulseaudio start freaking out08:09
SwedeMikeoki, this is centrino2... so I guess a lot of people will be in trouble then08:09
pwnguin24.6% (180.5)      <kernel IPI> : Rescheduling interrupts08:09
DanaGAnd at least fglrx doesn't make audio breakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk up like that when closing the laptop lid, like nvidia did.08:09
macocentrino means your wireless card and cpu08:09
maconot your sound card08:09
SwedeMike00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)08:09
macoyeah that doesnt mean anything either08:10
DanaGIt used to get stuck in a loop likikikikikikikikikikikikike this.08:10
macothats what a large portion of HDA say08:10
macolspci -nv | grep -A 1 040308:10
macothatll tell you the specific HDA card you've got08:10
macobut its really the codec that matters08:10
SwedeMike:~$ lspci -nv | grep -A 1 040308:10
SwedeMike00:1b.0 0403: 8086:293e (rev 03)08:10
SwedeMikeSubsystem: 17aa:20f208:10
macowhich is somewhere in /proc that i cant type from memory08:10
SwedeMikethis is a thinkpad X20008:11
macobasically all the junk that alsa-info.sh matters08:11
macoand the way the sound chip is integrated into the motherboard can cause breakage too08:11
pwnguinprobably /proc/asound/Intel08:11
macodtchen: do i sound enough like you yet?08:11
SwedeMike~$ cat /proc/asound/Intel/codec#0  | grep -i codec08:12
SwedeMikeCodec: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)08:12
SwedeMikethis one?08:12
macouh huh08:13
dtchenit's preferable to use awk '/^Vendor/ {print $3}' /proc/asound/card*/codec*08:13
SwedeMike0x14f1505108:13
macoyou like the digits better than the words?08:13
macowell then again, i guess youve got those memorized08:14
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pwnguinanyone else notice a goofy font kerning?08:20
cwillupwnguin, screenshot?08:20
pwnguingimme a sec08:20
macoin what? if firefox or OOo, they both do their own "special" things to fonts08:20
cwilluI'm just rebooting, so I may see it in a sec08:21
pwnguinanything with a v, in gnome08:21
pwnguinand firefox08:21
macov?08:21
pwnguinthe letter08:21
cwilluavythivg?08:21
pwnguinexcept for fixed width (duh)08:22
cwillulooks fine here08:22
cwilluI'm not in fixed width here :p08:22
macoall apps that have names that use the letter v have bad kerning? but apps like "nautilus" which lack a v are fine?08:23
pwnguinhttp://people.cis.ksu.edu/~jld5445/av-kerning.png08:25
pwnguincomprende?08:26
cwilluinteresting08:26
macooh08:26
macothe title font is fine...it looks like the letters are just being mashed against each other08:26
pwnguin...08:27
cwilluDVD is fine08:27
pwnguinjust lowercase v08:27
macowell the title font is bold08:27
cwilluCaravanacid is fine08:27
macoso not-bold lowercase v's?08:27
cwilluwhat font do you have it set to??08:27
cwillu(one ?, typo)08:27
pwnguincaravanacid is not fine in the playlist and window picker08:27
pwnguin"Sans"08:28
pwnguini think capital J is also screwy08:29
pwnguinmaybe it's just something to do with nouveau and dpi08:37
zirodayhmph why is apport not working09:39
DanaGHeh, gotta' love what Asus puts in their DMI strings:09:52
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/32726709:52
ubottuUbuntu bug 327267 in linux "suspend support for P1AH2 and M2N8L" [Medium,Fix released]09:52
DanaG Manufacturer: "System manufacturer"    Â Product Name: "System Product Name"    Â Version: "System Version"  Â Serial Number: "System Serial Number"09:53
DanaGYes, their serial number is, quote, "System Serial Number".09:53
Alexia_DeathSombody failed to change manufacturers defaults09:56
DanaG=P09:59
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Alexia_DeathAnybody else have roblems with pulseaudio session not starting when they log into kde?11:01
asranielanybody knows how to change the current time in kubuntu? i get an error about the timeserver when changing the time in system settings11:02
Alexia_Deathasraniel: you need to correct the timezone?11:02
asranielAlexia_Death: hm, i'll test. but the error is a bug anyway. i should be able to set the time manualy, without needing a timeserver (which i can't)11:04
Alexia_Deathasraniel: you are right11:06
Alexia_Deaththeres more than one bug11:07
Alexia_Deathif i set it to timeserver it still fails to contact it.11:07
gnomefreakAlexia_Death: did you set PA to be used by default?11:07
Alexia_Deathgnomefreak: havent set it but It used to be. And it is my first option in audi pefs11:08
gnomefreakAlexia_Death: kde doesnt use PA by default11:08
Alexia_Deathit used to at some point11:08
gnomefreaktry https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio11:08
Alexia_DeathOk thanks11:09
gnomefreaknp11:09
* gnomefreak gone again trying to finish this today11:09
Alexia_DeathIve made phonon use pulseaudio because I have BT headset and pulseaudio seems to be the only way to sanely manage it11:09
WiclaAre there any reasons why public keys get obsolete after each update?11:45
WiclaAgent admitted failure to sign using the key. when trying to connect to a host with public key auth11:45
tretlejaunty alpha 4's installer is crashing on the partitioning step, instead staying on the greyed out Keyboard setup stage. Is this a known issue with the live cd?12:30
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skyjumperis openoffice freezing on startup for anyone else on jaunty amd64?13:39
skyjumpernevermind13:44
ikoniaok13:45
IenorandIf I have provided the information requested on a bug should I change status from incomplete to new, or should I leave that up to the triager?13:48
ikoniaIenorand: I'd leave it for the guy it's assigned to13:48
ikoniaIenorand: he'll be notified that you've applied an update13:48
Ienorandikonia: okies13:49
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BUGabundois any one here able to run Guest Session WITHOUT compiz being on?14:55
miikFeb 15 16:37:24 darkstar pulseaudio[5955]: module-alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail_update() returned 0.15:44
miikFeb 15 16:38:32 darkstar pulseaudio[5955]: module-alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail_update() returned 0.15:44
miikFeb 15 16:38:50 darkstar pulseaudio[5955]: module-alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail_update() returned 0.15:44
BUGabundomiik: what app is doing that?15:46
miiki dont know.. im listening to music in rhythmbox.. and i see this pulseaudio error messages in syslog15:48
BUGabundoahh15:50
BUGabundoplease report on LP15:50
miikok15:51
BUGabundouse the alsa test script to collect extra details15:51
BUGabundoand use apport to gather pa info15:51
BUGabundo$ apport-cli -fp pulseaudio15:51
BUGabundoalso mark RB as part of the bug15:51
miikwhat is RB ?15:57
BUGabundorhythmbox15:59
BUGabundomiik: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh16:00
BUGabundoalsa script for data collention16:00
BUGabundobbl16:00
maxbmiik: you seem to have filed the bug twice16:11
* maxb marks as duplicate16:13
tretle Hey, seems something went horribly wrong during an installation, ubuntu has rewrote things it shouldnt have and now the hard drive in my laptop is unable to have the partitions removed or rewrote to. Does anyne know of a good disk scrubber on the live cd I can use?16:40
miikmaxb, yeah, i did16:53
miikfirst normal, then i saw i could use apport, so i did that after16:53
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IenorandHello, anyone else here running Jaunty in vmware?17:18
Commie_Carydose ATI support 9.04 yet18:10
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Fly-Man-Morning :)19:28
BUGabundoafternoon19:28
Fly-Man-How can I get Jaunty latest kernel ?19:29
Fly-Man-Installing Jaunty on VMware19:29
Fly-Man-and now the Vmware tools needs some additional stuff that's not in the kernel I have now19:29
BUGabundowhat kernel do you have?19:30
BUGabundoLinux blubug 2.6.28-7-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 9 15:42:34 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux19:30
Fly-Man-2.6.28-3-server19:30
BUGabundoupdate-manager -d does anything?19:30
fosco_Fly-Man-: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade19:30
BUGabundoor if no GUI do-release-upgrade19:30
fosco_as always19:30
BUGabundofosco_: sure19:31
BUGabundoor sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade19:31
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Fly-Man-fosco_, BUGabundo, thanks :)19:34
Fly-Man-That worked :)19:34
BUGabundoplain upgrade WILL NOT upgrade kernel19:34
BUGabundoyou need dist-upgrade19:34
Fly-Man-Yeah, so I noticed :)19:34
fosco_development versions are not recommended for newbies19:34
Fly-Man-fosco_, trust me ;)19:34
fosco_make sure what you're doing19:34
Fly-Man-No newbie here :p19:34
fosco_ok19:34
Fly-Man-but VmWare newbie19:35
Fly-Man-and it asks for some stuff that for some reason aren't installed standard in this kernel19:35
Fly-Man-ANy news on the release of Jaunty for public ?19:36
Fly-Man-Still March ?19:36
BUGabundoapril19:36
BUGabundoas always19:36
BUGabundowhy would it change?19:36
BUGabundo !release19:36
ubottuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases19:36
Fly-Man-Linux testgrid 2.6.28-7-server #20-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 9 16:33:23 UTC 2009 i68619:37
Fly-Man-And that's the one :)19:37
Fly-Man-Thanks for the help :)19:37
IntuitiveNippleAnyone else been seeing lock-ups requiring a power cycle after it has been left idle for several hours? I've just returned to the PC after 8 hours and within seconds of moving the mouse it 'froze' - initially responded to SyReq+K but VT7 didn't restart gdm as expected. Was able to SysReq+S to sync disks but then it wouldn't honour SysReq-O to turn off.19:39
IntuitiveNippleThis is the 2nd or third time I've seen it happen19:39
BUGabundoIntuitiveNipple: GPM bug? ACPI? suspend/resume bug?19:41
IntuitiveNippleno way to tell, so far.19:41
BUGabundodo you have your PC to hibernate after 8h?19:41
IntuitiveNippleno, it just sits idle on the desk.19:41
BUGabundotry this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResume19:41
BUGabundoand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting19:42
IntuitiveNippleBUGabundo: yes thanks, I know..... I'm on the ACPI kernel team  :)19:42
BUGabundoBTW EVERYONE here, please test this and report on the wiki (and LP if it fails)19:42
IntuitiveNippleI'm asking if anyone else is experiencing similar in case it is not just a local issue19:42
BUGabundoehheh19:42
BUGabundoI did not know that19:42
BUGabundojust trying to help19:43
IntuitiveNippleLooking back through the logs, I have just found evidence of a gdm startup script error in .xsession-errors:19:43
IntuitiveNipple4096): [: 402: 4096: unexpected operator19:43
IntuitiveNipple[: 402: 4096: unexpected operator19:43
BUGabundoI've seen boards that try to "save" energy19:43
IntuitiveNippleLooks like someone missed some spaces out of a test [ ... ] condition there19:43
BUGabundobut then software doesn't know about that and FAIL19:43
ronnyIntuitiveNipple: nothing here, left for skying the whole day, worked fine when i got back19:44
IntuitiveNippleBUGabundo: Yeah, and it could be related to the nvidia 180.29 driver since it has a bunch of other issues right now.19:44
ronnyhmm19:44
ronnyi got 4gb of ram sitting around, anyone aware of a service that pre-caches apps like firefox, OOO and others19:44
IntuitiveNippleronny: That's the thing, an issue like this, unless several people have it and you can determine a common scenario, there's no 'bug' as such that is defined enough to report :)19:44
IntuitiveNippleI tend to think it is an Xorg issue just from the 'feel' of it when it occurs.19:45
IntuitiveNippleI had it happen with the 'nv' driver too, I've just realised.19:45
IntuitiveNipplesreadahead should be helping with that kind of thing19:45
BUGabundoIntuitiveNipple: test table: recovery consolse: let it seat there all night19:45
BUGabundothat would eliminate HW19:45
BUGabundoor leave it running memtest19:46
ronnyIntuitiveNipple: sreadahead?19:46
BUGabundoRightNow (TM) my laptop is doing a great job with hibernate and resume19:46
BUGabundoworks great19:46
BUGabundostill I get a fail to poweroff one in 1019:47
BUGabundo !info sreadahead19:47
BUGabundo!info sreadahead19:47
ubottuPackage sreadahead does not exist in jaunty19:47
IntuitiveNipplehttp://code.google.com/p/sreadahead/19:47
ronnyIntuitiveNipple: i dont have a solid state disk19:48
BUGabundo!info uswsusp19:49
ubottuuswsusp (source: uswsusp): tools to use userspace software suspend provided by Linux. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-1.1ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 154 kB, installed size 484 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc)19:49
IntuitiveNippleDoesn't have to be SSD19:49
BUGabundoany body here using uswsusp ?19:49
BUGabundoI really like the timed count down19:49
IntuitiveNipplenope19:49
ronnyIntuitiveNipple: and it requires a kernel patch in order to work only with ext3?19:49
BUGabundobut many devs don't like it!19:49
Teknoim using uswsusp19:49
siegieBUGabundo: long time ago in gutsy, but at the moment default suspend is working fine for me19:49
IntuitiveNippleronny: We've work underway to include it19:50
ronnyIntuitiveNipple: anyway, i dont want to optimize boot itself, but application startup19:51
BUGabundoI use it' cause it used to help fix hibernate19:51
BUGabundoI'll have to try standard hibernate again19:51
BUGabundobut I'll miss the compress image!19:51
BUGabundoit makes a really big diff when resuming19:51
RAOFronny: The "preload" daemon might be what you're after.19:52
Teknopreload is cool19:53
Tekno[Sun Feb 15 21:53:07 2009] readaheading 2306 files19:53
Tekno;)19:53
ronnynice19:53
Q-FUNKhowdy!  anybody using Skype on Jaunty?  was working fine on Intrepid with a couple of minor tweaks to the PA deamon.conf but not anymore.19:54
ronnyyay, thats what i just need :)19:54
BUGabundoQ-FUNK: I have it working19:55
BUGabundoon 64 bits19:55
BUGabundobut not webcam19:55
Q-FUNKok.  here, the sound skips horribly.  it was rock-solid on  intrepid.19:55
BUGabundoaudio is a bit touch and go... either it works, either it doesn'tI'm using PA 9.15 test2 from themuso PPA19:56
Q-FUNKah, ok19:56
Q-FUNKurl?19:56
BUGabundowhy don't you try it too?19:56
Q-FUNKor rather, deb and deb-src lines?19:56
* BUGabundo does skype work ok with any verion of PA?19:56
Q-FUNKBUGabundo: it works fine with the one from intrepid19:56
BUGabundohttps://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive19:57
BUGabundoremember this is TEST!19:57
BUGabundoplease report all bugs19:57
BUGabundojaunty will not ship 9.15, only 9.14 plus a few patchs from upstream19:57
Q-FUNKah.  the PA guys were under the impression that jaunty would ship with 0.9.1519:58
BUGabundonope19:59
ronnyhmm20:00
ronnyi'll have to fix my sound20:01
ronnybeeps on terminals suddenly work, but everything else doesnt20:01
ronnyim completely puzzled20:01
BUGabundoronny: try killing PA and restarting it20:13
BUGabundopulseaudio -k ; start-pulseaudio-x1120:13
DanaGgrr, keyboard stops working on resume from suspend.20:30
DanaG[37113.822205] (EE) device key_bitmask has changed20:30
DanaG[37113.822297] (EE) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device has changed - disabling.20:30
DanaGDevice has changed, so now I can't use it at all?  Where's the sense in that?20:31
DanaGIf it's changed... then so what?20:31
BUGabundoanybody here using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu repos?20:31
BUGabundothey don't show up on synaptic20:31
BUGabundoand apt-cache policy of installed packages show them as LOCAL packages and not a repo20:32
martijn81when will ktorrent 3.2 come out for jaunty?20:32
martijn81it is just released20:33
DanaG!info gnump3d20:33
ubottuPackage gnump3d does not exist in jaunty20:33
anderskBUGabundo: works for me.20:34
DanaG!info gnump3d intrepid20:34
ubottuPackage gnump3d does not exist in intrepid20:34
DanaG!info gnump3d hardy20:34
ubottugnump3d (source: gnump3d): A streaming server for MP3 and OGG files. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0-2 (hardy), package size 619 kB, installed size 2540 kB20:34
Commie_Carydose ATI support 9.04 yet20:35
BUGabundoandersk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/118583/20:37
anderskI see "500 http://packages.medibuntu.org jaunty/free Packages" on that.  Did you `aptitude update`?20:39
Commie_Carydose ATI support 9.04 yet20:39
DanaGNopez.20:40
BUGabundoof course20:41
BUGabundoit seems that it isn't feching some packages20:41
BUGabundo'cause im on amd6420:41
BUGabundodiscussing on #medibuntu20:41
nsp_clihi all - i asked this question a day or two ago20:42
nsp_clii'm having some trouble getting the latest (netinst) jaunty to install on my macbook20:42
nsp_cliit dies during "select and install packages"20:42
nsp_cliwith this error:20:42
nsp_clihttp://paste.ubuntu.com/117932/20:42
nsp_cliany thoughts?20:42
nsp_climaco previously mentioned that "there was new mono stuff yesterday that hasnt been straightened out" ?20:44
ronnyBUGabundo: didnt work20:46
RAOFnsp_cli: There's still some new mono stuff that hasn't been straightened out.  f-spot and tomboy are currently not simultaneously installable.20:47
nsp_cliraof: thanks - in the installer, can i specifically avoid those packages?20:47
nsp_cliusing the netinst cd?20:48
RAOFI didn't know we _had_ a netinst CD :)20:48
RAOFAnd, no.  I don't think so.20:48
nsp_clihahah20:48
nsp_clihm ...20:48
RAOFYou _could_ do a server install, which won't install X or any of that stuff, and then install ubuntu-desktop later.20:48
nsp_cliah, ok20:48
nsp_clii'll give that a shot20:49
nsp_cliif that fails, is there an alpha3 image floating around somewhere?20:49
nsp_cli[on an unrelated note, the alpha 4 installer hangs my macbook pro]20:49
BUGabundonsp_cli: and a daily?20:51
nsp_cliBUGabundo: what?20:51
nsp_clithe dailys don't cause any problems ... just the alpha4 alternative amd-64 image hangs my machine20:51
nsp_cliand i'm 99.99% sure the media is fine20:52
BUGabundothen it is now fixed20:52
BUGabundoas just on A420:53
nsp_clik20:53
DanaGftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software10/COL25940/dennis-stable-install-usb-gm-1.img  -- that's the HP thingy.20:54
DanaGAnyone know how to make a fake USB storage device that exists on my host, so I can boot a VM from it?21:55
DanaGIt's an image that refuses to boot from anything other than USB.21:55
IntuitiveNippleDanaG: You could use the USB gadget driver22:00
DanaGHmm, how do you do that?22:03
tretlehi, I am having problems after installing on my laptop22:04
tretleI cant delete or repartition the drive from any ubuntu version now or even a windows cd22:04
tretle unable to open /dev/scd0 - unrecognised disk label. Input/output error during write on /dev/sda22:04
thomasdelbekeHi there22:11
thomasdelbekehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/118604/22:11
anderskDoes that UUID show up in the output of `ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid`?22:12
thomasdelbekeno22:13
thomasdelbekeI am now in intrepid22:13
thomasdelbekeI can no longe access jaunty22:14
thomasdelbekedisplay problem22:14
thomasdelbekeI could install22:14
thomasdelbekebooted into it22:14
thomasdelbekeupdated22:14
thomasdelbekethen got a display error22:14
thomasdelbekehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/118607/22:15
anderskSounds like you need to update your /etc/fstab.22:16
thomasdelbekehow?22:16
thomasdelbekeupdate-mod?22:16
thomasdelbekeI had errors previously22:16
thomasdelbekewith fsck22:16
thomasdelbekein alfa 322:16
anderskDo you know what caused this to start happening?  And can you pastebin your current /etc/fstab?22:17
thomasdelbekeI also installed 9.04 on ext422:17
anderskThat might be it.  Upgrading a filesystem to ext4 changes its UUID.22:17
thomasdelbekehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/118611/22:18
thomasdelbekeno,22:18
thomasdelbekei have jaunty on a seperate partition22:19
anderskOh I see; you have two entries for /media/sda4 in your /etc/fstab.22:19
thomasdelbekeyes22:19
anderskYou probably need to comment out the second one (7419...).22:20
thomasdelbekeand then I can access jaunty again?22:21
thomasdelbekeintrepid is the ext322:21
thomasdelbekeI am running gpart /dev/sda22:22
thomasdelbekeit is ridiculously slow22:22
thomasdelbekehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/118614/22:25
thomasdelbekeSorry22:25
thomasdelbekewas a bit confused there22:25
thomasdelbekeanyway22:25
thomasdelbekeI have commented out the excess entry22:26
thomasdelbekeIs it normal that gpart won't work22:26
thomasdelbekewhen having this problem22:26
thomasdelbekeI will try and reboot now22:27
thomasdelbekeHi there22:36
thomasdelbekeAnyone still there?22:36
Teknono22:37
thomasdelbekeCommenting out as prescribed worked22:37
thomasdelbekeok22:37
thomasdelbekeYou neither?22:37
Teknome neither22:37
thomasdelbekeCome back tomorrow?22:37
Teknomaybe tomorrow22:38
ikonia?22:38
thomasdelbekehmm22:38
thomasdelbeke??22:38
thomasdelbekeSo anyway, just wanted to say there are serious display problems witcht acer aspire 9410 in jaunty22:40
thomasdelbekeI cannot log into it, after updating22:41
thomasdelbekecheers, thomas22:41
bazookatoothi have one issue left w/ jaunty.... my login sound is god awful now. all other sound playback is flawless.. but the login sound is crackly and garbled.. sounds terrible. what gives?23:06
IntuitiveNipplethere's some alsa reports in the logs I noticed23:10

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