[19:59] <j1mc_> hi all
[20:00] <chewit> hi
[20:00]  * charlie-tca waves
[20:00] <j1mc_> i'm on a bit of a laggy connection - hope i stay with things.
[20:02] <knome> hello.
[20:03] <j1mc_> hi knome & JPohlmann
[20:03] <JPohlmann> Hey
[20:03] <knome> i'm also connecting (still) through my mobile phone
[20:03] <cody-somerville> Hey! :)
[20:03] <titan_ark_> hello :)
[20:03] <j1mc_> hi cody-somerville
[20:05] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, hey
[20:05] <knome> so are we ready to start or are we waiting for somebody to arrive?
[20:05] <cody-somerville> Who is all here? :)
[20:06]  * j1mc_ waves
[20:06]  * charlie-tca nods
[20:06]  * knome farts
[20:06]  * JPohlmann is kinda here
[20:07] <knome> ok, shall we start?
[20:07] <j1mc_> sure
[20:08] <chewit> it is 8mins in, so everyone wanting to be here is here
[20:08] <ScottK> Which meeting is this?
[20:08] <j1mc_> i'm a bit out of it today, and we don't have an agenda... if anyone would like to go first, please go ahead.
[20:08] <knome> ScottK, xubuntu developer
[20:08] <j1mc_> ScottK: xubuntu meeting
[20:09] <cody-somerville> Alrighty
[20:09] <cody-somerville> There are a few things I'd like to discuss today
[20:09]  * ScottK will just toss in that the kernels on the ports archs (sparc, powerpc, ia64, and hppa) recently got fixed, so if you've got broken stuff you want to retry, now's a good time.
[20:09] <charlie-tca> thanks, ScottK
[20:10] <cody-somerville> ScottK, thanks :)
[20:10] <cody-somerville> 1. Team Reports
[20:10] <cody-somerville> OH wait
[20:10] <cody-somerville> Lets see if we can use mootboot.
[20:10] <cody-somerville> #STARTMEETING
[20:10] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:10. The chair is cody-somerville.
[20:10] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:10] <mr_pouit> o/
[20:10] <j1mc_> mr_pouit: yeay - glad you're here.
[20:11] <knome> aye.
[20:11] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Team Report
[20:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team Report
[20:11] <cody-somerville> The team report is a great way to help let the rest of the community know what we're up to.
[20:11] <cody-somerville> Team leads: Please ensure you do your part to update it
[20:11] <cody-somerville> It is located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[20:12] <knome> Question: If the Team has been inactive, should I make a note on that?
[20:12] <cody-somerville> Yes, please.
[20:12] <knome> Ok.
[20:12] <cody-somerville> I'm wondering, is anyone willing to take responsibility for the report?
[20:12] <knome> Question: What if I am not allowed to edit the team report page?
[20:12] <cody-somerville> ie. Poking people to update it, submitting it monthly, etc.
[20:12] <cody-somerville> knome, You just need to login to edit it
[20:13] <knome> ah! true. sorry. :)
[20:13]  * charlie-tca raises hand s-l-o-w-l-y
[20:13] <charlie-tca> I'll take it
[20:13] <knome> I think this is something that one person should not take responsility.
[20:14]  * j1mc_ nods - we need each team lead to be responsible to update it.
[20:14] <cody-somerville> I agree
[20:14] <cody-somerville> However, it would be nice if we could have someone volunteer to remind folks :)
[20:14] <charlie-tca> but don't we need a leader to submit it to Ubuntu and remind people?
[20:15] <j1mc> we're adults - we should put it in our calendars.  :)
[20:15] <knome> I think the team reporting system is a bit confusing, for me at least.
[20:15] <knome> Splitting it to separate parts is fine, but also quite restrictive.
[20:15] <j1mc> when do we need to have the team reports updated every month?
[20:15] <cody-somerville> 22nd
[20:16] <cody-somerville> j1mc, I think you make a good point.
[20:16] <knome> If I have tried to get new contributors to Xubuntu, is it part of Marketing, Community or what ever team the people decide to join or not to join?
[20:17] <cody-somerville> knome, It would be a part of Marketing
[20:17] <cody-somerville> knome, However, "community" is the catch-all category IMHO.
[20:17] <cody-somerville> So if you don't think something fits somewhere, slot it into community
[20:18] <cody-somerville> So, lets all take responsibility for updating it.
[20:18] <knome> yes.
[20:18] <cody-somerville> (instead of relying on someone to remind us)
[20:18] <knome> can we add notifications on *bot ?
[20:18] <j1mc> sounds good - i've just added it to my calendar
[20:18] <j1mc> brb
[20:18] <cody-somerville> The calendar idea also sounds like a great one.
[20:19] <cody-somerville> I'm going to create two events on the calendar (repeating monthly) and invite the team leads. It'll be a reminder to update the team report and the deadline.
[20:19] <knome> yes. sounds great. where is the calendar? :P
[20:20]  * charlie-tca wondering that too
[20:20] <cody-somerville> Thats another great idea. We should create a team calendar!
[20:20] <knome> under xubuntu.org maybe?
[20:20] <knome> i can take responsibility for that.
[20:20] <cody-somerville> knome, I was thinking a Google Calendar
[20:20] <JPohlmann> Liaison is not a team lead position, is it?
[20:21] <knome> google calendar would then be just-an-another-site-you-have-to-visit (tm)
[20:21] <cody-somerville> knome, I was thinking the same thing about adding a calendar to xubuntu
[20:21] <cody-somerville> However, the nice thing about google calendar is that you can sync it with what ever you want
[20:21] <knome> does ubuntu have a calendar?
[20:21] <cody-somerville> A google calendar, yes.
[20:22] <knome> can we just add our things there?
[20:22] <knome> or are team reports already there?
[20:22] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, A leadership position but not a team lead position (unless you wanted to create an army of liaison)
[20:22] <j1mc> team calendar sounds fine w/ me.  :)
[20:22] <JPohlmann> cody-somerville: Not really ;)
[20:22] <cody-somerville> knome, The Ubuntu calendar is more for events and less for this sort of coordination. However, we do use it internally
[20:23] <knome> hmmh.
[20:24] <knome> i think a xubuntu calendar would be useless if we only have team reports and maybe feature freezes there.
[20:25] <knome> nobody would visit it anyway if there's only the things they know.
[20:25] <knome> maybe by the spec (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Jaunty/GrowXubuntuCommunity) try to communicate more.
[20:26] <knome> #
[20:26] <knome> Regular IRC & Skype Meetings
[20:26] <knome> skype++
[20:26] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to investigate the use of a team calendar
[20:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to investigate the use of a team calendar
[20:26] <cody-somerville> Okay, lets move on.
[20:26] <knome> right.
[20:27] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Review roadmap
[20:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review roadmap
[20:27] <cody-somerville> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
[20:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
[20:27] <cody-somerville> It looks like the roadmap page needs updating.
[20:27] <knome> yes,
[20:27] <knome> i will do it live.
[20:28] <cody-somerville> However, I'm happy to announce that thanks to a number of folks such as mr_pouit, jeromeg, NCommander, and the debian xfce team... we now have xfce 4.6 uploaded to the archive.
[20:28] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, correct? :)
[20:28] <cody-somerville> (4.6 Release Candidate 1 that is)
[20:28] <mr_pouit> yes ^^
[20:28] <j1mc> :)  thanks, all.
[20:29] <knome> JPohlmann, what about thunar improvements?
[20:29] <cody-somerville> We're still smoothing out the rough edges but I'm nor running jaunty and am very happy with a number of new features and improvements.
[20:29]  * JPohlmann blushes
[20:29] <cody-somerville> err..
[20:30] <knome> ok, so the status "Starting to work on." is accurate.
[20:30] <cody-somerville> *I'm now running
[20:30] <knome> to where?
[20:30] <JPohlmann> knome: There are only few new features in Thunar. We mostly fixed bugs.
[20:30] <knome> what about user switcher applet?
[20:30] <cody-somerville> Also, I'm happy to note that Jeromeg's xfswitch-plugin has been uploaded to the archive. xfswitch is a session switcher. Although not as featured as gnome's version, it does do the job and jeromeg is going to help add some extra features before jaunty releases.
[20:31] <knome> \o/
[20:31] <JPohlmann> Benedikt, the original author has been inactive for a while, so there wasn't much we could do. Thunar will receive a major overhaul (in form of GIO/GVfs support) in the next months.
[20:31] <cody-somerville> w00t
[20:31] <cody-somerville> So, back to "Thunar Improvements", thats actually Xubuntu specific.
[20:31] <j1mc> mr_pouit: regarding the xfce-menu - the menu entries that are included in Applications > Settings > ...  (e.g., Appearance)... will we be able to hide the menu entries that are also included in the Xfce4 Settings Manager?
[20:31] <knome> JPohlmann, will it make it to jaunty?
[20:32] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, do you think you could spare a half hour some day to help me look over the samba hack? :)
[20:32] <j1mc> mr_pouit: i'm not sure if that sentence made sense.
[20:32] <mr_pouit> j1mc: as we did with the previous dialog?
[20:32] <JPohlmann> knome: Nope. I'll work on that the next 3+ months as a student thesis. I'll take my time ;)
[20:32] <JPohlmann> cody-somerville: Does it not work anymore?
[20:32] <knome> JPohlmann, yeah, no problem. i'll just update the roadmap page.
[20:33] <j1mc> mr_pouit: yes, they appear in the settings manager, and they also appear as a separate menu item - can we hide the menu item like we did before?
[20:33] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, I haven't had a chance to look at it at all yet nor am I very good with autoconf stuff :)
[20:33] <knome> cody-somerville, does "uploaded to the archive" mean the objectives ar fulfilled?
[20:33] <cody-somerville> knome, We didn't really write a spec so its difficult to say. I'd say its good progress
[20:33] <JPohlmann> cody-somerville: Ok. Sure, I can help you with that.
[20:33] <cody-somerville> j1mc, mr_pouit: I think it looks better when items in the menu.
[20:34] <knome> cody-somerville, ok. i'll make a new color scheme for the objective listing.
[20:34] <cody-somerville> Next, "Refresh distro artwork"
[20:34] <cody-somerville> knome has volunteered to do the distro artwork this release
[20:34] <cody-somerville> jmakz is unfortunately too busy this cycle to be able to help :(
[20:34] <knome> [TOPIC] Refresh distro artwork
[20:34] <mr_pouit> +1, some (French) users complained that they were missing ;]
[20:34] <j1mc> it seems weird to have them in two places, though.
[20:35] <cody-somerville> knome, Any updates on the artwork?
[20:35] <knome> cody-somerville, not yet. next week.
[20:35] <cody-somerville> Finally, on the topic of the roadmap, Id like to look at our growing the xubuntu community spec unless someone has anything else to say about the other objectives.
[20:35] <charlie-tca> j1mc: you get used to it after a little bit
[20:37] <j1mc> ok - i can understand how people can get used to it, but you can say that about the other approach, too, and i think it makes more sense to have settings in one place.
[20:37] <j1mc> otherwise, why even include the settings manager?
[20:37] <knome> cody-somerville, go on.
[20:37] <cody-somerville> The specification is located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Jaunty/GrowXubuntuCommunity
[20:38]  * j1mc will bring up the other topic later - sorry all.
[20:38] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap - updated.
[20:38] <cody-somerville> I think this specification is an important one.
[20:39] <knome> yes.
[20:39] <chewit> knome, the xfce 4.6 milestones are not correct
[20:39] <knome> chewit, ?
[20:39] <chewit> on the roadmap
[20:39] <JPohlmann> BTW, I could imagine another point in that specification: Be present at user and developer oriented conferences like FOSDEM. There were a lot of distributions present with a booth this year, but no Ubuntu and no Xubuntu.
[20:40] <knome> JPohlmann, it would be interesting to have xubuntu there, yes.
[20:40] <knome> chewit, yes. can you tell me what is wrong?
[20:41] <cody-somerville> All of us are here, contributing to Xubuntu. People come and go and in a years time some of us will still be here, some of us will have moved on, and some of us will be new faces. So, I'd like to ensure we invest in recruiting new contributors and retaining existing ones.
[20:41] <Myrtti> JPohlmann: LIES
[20:41] <Myrtti> JPohlmann: there was a ubuntu desk
[20:41] <JPohlmann> Really? Must have missed that.
[20:41] <chewit> the dates are incorrect. for example. the release date on the list says it is in september 2008
[20:41] <Myrtti> it was next to the gnome desk
[20:41] <knome> a-ha on the spec page.
[20:41] <JPohlmann> Fedora and CentOS were quite well represented IMHO but I couldn't spot the ubuntu logo anywhere
[20:41] <knome> chewit, right?
[20:42] <knome> chewit, ah, there. got it. yes.
[20:43] <knome> JPohlmann, could you update the milestones section of the roadmap page on the wiki?
[20:43] <chewit> though, not sure what the current release date is. It was meant to be the 6 Feb 09, but thats been & gone
[20:43] <cody-somerville> Lets review the different items we brainstormed up
[20:43] <cody-somerville> [IDEA] Improving the content on the "Get Involved" pages.
[20:43] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Improving the content on the "Get Involved" pages.
[20:43] <cody-somerville> We said:
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # Ensure that there is contact information.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # Minimize the amount of information presented to the user at once.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # Point users at low hanging fruit.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # We want users to feel like they're apart of the team; link to 5-a-day.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # Improve more comprehensive documentation on the wiki.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> knome, How is this coming along?
[20:45] <JPohlmann> knome: You mean the Xfce wiki?
[20:45] <knome> JPohlmann, ubuntu wiki
[20:45] <knome> JPohlmann, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
[20:45] <knome> cody-somerville, not really at all.
[20:45] <JPohlmann> It's kinda difficult. We don't have a planned release date at the moment :-/
[20:45] <knome> cody-somerville, i need the help of documentation team.
[20:46] <knome> i would totally do taht by myself if i had the time. i hope that i'll have enough time to work on everything xubuntu the next week.
[20:46] <j1mc> knome: what do you need help with?
[20:46] <j1mc> re: documentation team
[20:46] <knome> j1mc, improving the content on the "get involved" pages
[20:47] <j1mc> knome: i could probably hash things out with you.
[20:47] <knome> j1mc, or i don't know whether it should be the doc team.
[20:47] <cody-somerville> What do you think about setting something up like the MOTU reception. ie. Volunteers who agree to help get new contributors contributing?
[20:47] <j1mc> well, it's the xubuntu portion of the wiki, so we should really take responsibility for it.
[20:47] <j1mc> i'm glad to help,though
[20:47] <knome> j1mc, and http://xubuntu.org/contribute
[20:48] <knome> j1mc, the wiki should include *all* the information available
[20:48] <knome> j1mc, the website only main points.
[20:48] <j1mc> knome: so you want to merge the info from the website section there into the wiki?
[20:48] <knome> j1mc, nope, because the website info is not up-to-date
[20:49] <knome> j1mc, we need to review that.
[20:49] <knome> j1mc, and improve.
[20:49] <j1mc> knome: ok - i'll take a look
[20:49] <j1mc> ok
[20:49]  * j1mc will help with that
[20:49] <knome> the first item is critical, i think: # Ensure that there is contact information.
[20:50]  * j1mc nods
[20:50] <knome> cody-somerville, good idea. though that means we have to ave resources for that.
[20:50] <knome> co	even if the people won't start conrtributing after the wha
[20:50] <knome> *wha=hard work we put into that
[20:50] <knome> i'm sorry about this crap, my connection is dying.
[20:51] <cody-somerville> Who wants to volunteer to take that up and run with it?
[20:51] <cody-somerville> I'm happy to volunteer to be a "mentor" or what ever you want to call it
[20:51] <knome> i think that is something which should be done by the team leads.
[20:51] <j1mc> cody-somerville: could you clarify "that"?  :)
[20:52] <knome> if a user wants to contribute to marketing, i'm more than willing to help.
[20:52] <knome> but if he wants to hack xubuntu's code, i just can't help.
[20:52] <knome> i just can point them to saying hello to you (cody-somerville) and maybe JPohlmann or charlie-tca who know about that more.
[20:53] <j1mc> i already said that i'd help update the getting involved portion of the wiki.
[20:53] <knome> j1mc, and the website? :]
[20:53] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to write up e-mail to xubuntu-dev ML about reception idea.
[20:53] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to write up e-mail to xubuntu-dev ML about reception idea.
[20:53] <cody-somerville> Get more contributors blogging & talking about Xubuntu
[20:53] <cody-somerville> We said:
[20:53] <cody-somerville> # Get current contributors to apply for Ubuntu membership so that their blog posts are syndicated to planet.ubuntu.com
[20:53] <cody-somerville> # Post/blog about the monthly team report.
[20:53] <cody-somerville> #
[20:53] <cody-somerville> Get people contributing to the team reports; see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[20:53] <cody-somerville> # Encourage current contributors to help out more on the #xubuntu support channel.
[20:53] <cody-somerville> # Start an official Xubuntu blog?
[20:54] <cody-somerville> # Micro-blogging
[20:54] <cody-somerville> # Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter
[20:54] <cody-somerville> Who here is a Ubuntu member?
[20:54]  * cody-somerville raises his hand.
[20:54]  * j1mc 
[20:54]  * knome is applying currently
[20:54] <JPohlmann> It's a bit of a twist. I mean, with <10 people you just don't have the resources to make that all happen. But you need it to reach the point where you have >10 people helping out.
[20:54]  * charlie-tca didn't think I did enough to apply
[20:54] <j1mc> knome: yes, i'll help with website content if you can upload/format it
[20:55] <knome> JPohlmann, true. but if we are mentoring, we might get new contriubtors who could mentor themselves.
[20:55] <knome> j1mc, sure.
[20:55] <j1mc> there is already a xubuntu group on identi.ca - http://identi.ca/group/xubuntu
[20:55] <knome> JPohlmann, i mean, we lack this mentoring tradition.
[20:55] <knome> who is on facebook?
[20:56]  * j1mc 
[20:56]  * JPohlmann   
[20:56] <knome> j1mc, JPohlmann: do you have a xubuntu group?
[20:57] <j1mc> not on facebook, i don't think
[20:57] <knome> j1mc, create one and write a mail to the ML
[20:57] <j1mc> ok
[20:57] <cody-somerville> Facebook might be a little personal
[20:57] <knome> (users and devel)
[20:57] <knome> cody-somerville, why?
[20:58] <knome> cody-somerville, it is still something that unites people and it's big atm.
[20:58] <cody-somerville> Sure,
[20:58] <cody-somerville> just saying some people might find it a little too personal
[20:58] <j1mc> joining a group doesn't permit other people to see your entries.
[20:58] <knome> then they won't join the group.
[20:59] <knome> anyway, the point is to make people feel like they belong to this something called "the xubuntu community"
[20:59] <knome> if they don't want to feel it, ok, then they won't.
[20:59] <knome> and they won't join the group.
[20:59] <knome> it's alower barrier to join the facebook group than to join #xubuntu on freenode and subscribe to the mailing list.
[21:00] <knome> joining to a facebook group doesn't oblige you to anything.
[21:00] <JPohlmann> Groups on Facebook are more a showing-off-what-you-like kind of thing. I don't think it's worth it. At least there are more important things.
[21:00] <knome> JPohlmann, it's not a big thing to do, but it might grow up into something.
[21:00] <knome> JPohlmann, isn't xubuntu something you'd like to show off that you like?
[21:01] <knome> JPohlmann, (if, in the first place, you were using it?)
[21:01] <JPohlmann> Well, maybe. But Facebook is not part of the Ubuntu community infrastructure so ... I'm not sure.
[21:01] <knome> does it matter? neither is identi.ca
[21:02] <knome> i don't know what the facebook groups are like but i expect you can have some content there.
[21:02] <knome> just tell what xubuntu is, how to get it and how to contribute
[21:02] <Nafallo> hahaha
[21:03] <knome> like "hey, join this group if you like xubuntu" and once you're in "hey, who don't you join our community at thebiggestubuntucommunitysiteeverakaubuntu.com"
[21:03] <knome> Nafallo, yes?
[21:03] <JPohlmann> Right. Still, if it's about attracting new contributors Facebook is almost irrelevant.
[21:03] <knome> JPohlmann, it's not attracting new *contributors*
[21:03] <Nafallo> knome: just found it funny that the community would host facebook :-)
[21:03] <knome> JPohlmann, community is not only contributors.
[21:03] <Nafallo> having seen their kit and all... ;-)
[21:03] <knome> JPohlmann, community is not only developers.
[21:04] <knome> JPohlmann, community is people who use xubuntu.
[21:04] <JPohlmann> Hmm. I thought we were talking about new contributors initally.
[21:04] <knome> JPohlmann, yes, but you never know what a use can grow to, right?
[21:05] <knome> JPohlmann, you remember me popping in at #xubuntu-devel? i had quit amarok and joined the channel and asked whether i could do something for xubuntu, because i like it. like a week or two after we had a new website.
[21:05] <cody-somerville> I'm in favour of doing anything that doesn't drain our resources that might possible create a feeling of community and attract new contributors.
[21:05] <cody-somerville> *possibly
[21:05] <cody-somerville> So, lets move on
[21:05] <knome> yes.
[21:06] <knome> maybe a few words about the other items:
[21:06] <cody-somerville> Lets all agree to make an active effort to blog, micro-blog, etc. etc., about Xubuntu
[21:06] <knome> i've done efforts to get my new personal website up.
[21:06] <JPohlmann> Yeah, that's right. It's true that facebook groups don't really cause any maintainance overhead. So if someone wants to go for it I'd be happy to join the group ;)
[21:06] <knome> once i do, i'll start writing about xubuntu
[21:06] <cody-somerville> :)
[21:06] <cody-somerville> awesome
[21:06] <knome> j1mc, ?
[21:06] <j1mc> knome: yes?  :)
[21:07]  * charlie-tca nods; he mentions xubuntu on his website
[21:07] <knome> j1mc, maybe you are willing to create the xubuntu facebook group and send the mail as i asked, plase? :]
[21:07] <j1mc> i'll get the fbook group set up
[21:07] <j1mc> sure
[21:07] <knome> i've also written about xubuntu in finnish on my personal blog.
[21:08] <knome> and i've felt a need to write about it more and in english.
[21:09] <knome> anyway, let's go on.
[21:11] <cody-somerville> What do folks think about a Xubuntu blog?
[21:11] <knome> isn't vinnl kind of writing one already?
[21:12] <knome> or do you mean an aggreated blog from all of our entries?
[21:12] <knome> keeping strictly xubuntu-only would make sense, but there is not a lot of subjects we can write about.
[21:13] <cody-somerville> Thats not true
[21:13] <cody-somerville> There is lots of Xubuntu stuff to write about
[21:13] <cody-somerville> I'm thinking of an official Xubuntu blog
[21:13] <knome> then i would not be the correct person to write that.
[21:13] <cody-somerville> Where we'd post official xubuntu team blog entries.
[21:13] <cody-somerville> Sort of like what the Server and launchpad team do
[21:13] <knome> cody-somerville, can it be aggregated, please? :]
[21:14] <j1mc_> cody-somerville: kind of like the server team, right?
[21:14] <j1mc_> right
[21:14] <cody-somerville> yup
[21:14] <charlie-tca> We can't even keep the TeamReports up, how can we do a blog?
[21:14] <cody-somerville> knome, any blog can be aggregated
[21:14] <knome> charlie-tca, maybe that would be the solution.
[21:14] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, If the tool is available, people might be more inclined. Furthermore, blog entries are more fun to write then the the team report :)
[21:14] <knome> cody-somerville, i mean aggregated like planet.
[21:15] <cody-somerville> knome, I think it would be a wordpress instance and people who want to write for the blog could get accounts.
[21:15] <cody-somerville> knome, We could use the xubuntu.org website for it even
[21:15] <knome> cody-somerville, yeah. we might get off of drupal. is that possible?
[21:15] <cody-somerville> Yup
[21:15] <knome> \o/
[21:15] <knome> +1 (billion)
[21:16] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to investigate possibility of using xubuntu.org for official team blog.
[21:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to investigate possibility of using xubuntu.org for official team blog.
[21:16] <cody-somerville> Okay, lets move on now.
[21:16] <cody-somerville> "Create teamwork opportunities "
[21:16] <JPohlmann> Planets usually aren't very coherent in their topics. If it's supposed to be about Xubuntu only, then aggregation like that doesn't make much sense.
[21:16] <cody-somerville> We said:
[21:16] <cody-somerville> # 5-a-day
[21:16] <cody-somerville> # User-created content on the CD (ala Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase)
[21:16] <cody-somerville> # "Community Help Contact"??? (could tie in with channel opping)
[21:16] <cody-somerville> #
[21:16] <cody-somerville> Bug & Package Jams
[21:16] <knome> JPohlmann, true.
[21:16] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, What do you think of 5-a-day?
[21:16] <j1mc_> JPohlmann: check out the server team blog or the launchpad team blog
[21:16] <charlie-tca> 5-a-day is great for promoting bug-triaging.
[21:17] <charlie-tca> But it is only useful for bug work
[21:17]  * cody-somerville nods.
[21:17] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, How about we setup a 5-a-day Xubuntu team? :)
[21:17] <knome> and only possible/relevat with bugs!
[21:17] <knome> +n
[21:17] <charlie-tca> If you want
[21:18] <charlie-tca> I'll get one set up
[21:18] <knome> charlie-tca, do you think that would draw people?
[21:18] <cody-somerville> I think it would. It'll certainly get me more involved in bug triage.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> I don't really know. I see a few people triaging our bugs, but we are at a point we have to triage all bugs to get 5-a-day
[21:19] <knome> ok. let's certainly do that.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> We only have 63 new bugs right now
[21:19] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Charlie to setup 5-a-day team
[21:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Charlie to setup 5-a-day team
[21:19] <knome> charlie-tca, i think the idea behind 5-a-day is not *5*, but improving contiributor quality and motivation.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:20] <cody-somerville> I think the user-created content on CD is something we can look at next cycle
[21:20] <knome> yeah. agreed. we are too busy now already.
[21:20] <cody-somerville> However, what about a "Community Help Contact". We could take turns herding #xubuntu :)
[21:20] <charlie-tca> yes, good idea
[21:21] <knome> community help contact could be also linked a bit with mentoring, right?
[21:21] <knome> and also is linked to improving the get help&support and involved -pages :)
[21:21] <cody-somerville> Sure
[21:21] <cody-somerville> I'll see if TheSheep will champion the community help contact idea
[21:22] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to speak with TheSheep about organizing the community help contact idea
[21:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to speak with TheSheep about organizing the community help contact idea
[21:22] <knome> +1
[21:22] <cody-somerville> "Regular IRC & Skype Meetings"
[21:22] <knome> +1
[21:22] <cody-somerville> It seems like we are doing IRC meetings regularly
[21:22] <knome> ;)
[21:23] <cody-somerville> How about we try Skype sometime?
[21:23] <cody-somerville> :)
[21:23] <charlie-tca> I have no Skypoe
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Skype
[21:23] <knome> we are, but i miss the impromptu meeting we've had a few times.
[21:23] <j1mc_> me neither
[21:23] <JPohlmann> Skype could be funny.
[21:23] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, We can call you
[21:23] <cody-somerville> "Create resources for loco teams (flyers, artwork, etc.) "
[21:23] <cody-somerville> knome, ^^
[21:23] <cody-somerville> and last but not least, "Default settings for IRC and Pidgin could point to #xubuntu "
[21:23] <knome> JPohlmann, it's easier now as we've met each other (at least many of us)
[21:24] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, Can you volunteer to explore this option?
[21:24] <knome> cody-somerville, resources will come once we've progressed in the artwork for this cyclw.
[21:24] <knome> *cycle
[21:24] <cody-somerville> ok
[21:24] <cody-somerville> great
[21:24] <Myrtti> mumble
[21:24] <Myrtti> for audio conference calls over IP
[21:24] <cody-somerville> hehe
[21:24] <cody-somerville> Myrtti, Hey!
[21:25] <knome> cody-somerville, i'll just export thing to different shapes and sizes
[21:25] <mr_pouit> cody-somerville: ok (if pidgin supports xdg config directories, it should be easy...)
[21:25] <cody-somerville> Myrtti, Do you want to volunteer to champion the community contact idea for #xubuntu?
[21:25] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, I was thinking xchat as well
[21:25] <knome> Myrtti, the official language for audio conferences should be finnish. ;)
[21:25] <mr_pouit> ok
[21:25] <Myrtti> cody-somerville: sure, if I can get a quick roundup on what's to be done.
[21:25] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, either have specific config for Xubuntu install or have it open #ubuntu, #kubuntu, and #xubuntu no matter what desktop you're on
[21:26] <knome> cody-somerville, mr_pouit: i think that's already been done on ubuntu, irrc.
[21:26] <knome> *iirc
[21:26] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] mr_pouit to look into modifying pidgin and xchat to open #xubuntu in addition to #ubuntu on startup
[21:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mr_pouit to look into modifying pidgin and xchat to open #xubuntu in addition to #ubuntu on startup
[21:26] <knome> or kubuntu.
[21:26] <knome> or then somebody was talking about that
[21:27] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to also contact Myrtti regarding community help contact idea.
[21:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to also contact Myrtti regarding community help contact idea.
[21:27] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Documentation
[21:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation
[21:27] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, j1mc_ ^^ :)
[21:28] <cody-somerville> Hey jeromeg
[21:28] <JPohlmann> Discussion on the Xfce developer mailing list has started about how to improve the upstream end user documentation.
[21:29] <jeromeg> hello
[21:29] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, excellent.
[21:29] <knome> \o/
[21:29] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, do you think we'll see updated documentation for Jaunty?
[21:29] <j1mc_> yeah - i sent them a note to get that ball rolling.  i'm working on some merges from ubuntu docs tonight.
[21:30] <j1mc_> most inappropriate ubuntu references are out of the xubuntu docs, but i still need to update much of the content.
[21:30] <JPohlmann> Jim is in a dialog with Nick and a few others. We're currently investigating different options. One way would be to write the documentation in a wiki and then importing it into the tarballs for releases. Another is to generate online content based on documentation that is shipped with the tarballs.
[21:30] <j1mc_> being able to merge off of ubuntu docs is helping to keep things up to date, i think
[21:30]  * cody-somerville nods.
[21:31] <knome> agreed.
[21:31] <cody-somerville> Interesting. I'm excited to hear this.
[21:31] <JPohlmann> Nothing has been decided yet and this won't happen in 4.6 because we're now close to the final release.
[21:31] <JPohlmann> So that's something for the next release cycle unfortunately.
[21:31] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, I'd like to see a Xubuntu doc hug day or something to see if we can get the docs some love.
[21:31] <j1mc_> i had proposed having xfce devs file a bug against their own packages to indicate if the docs needed updating
[21:32] <j1mc_> some of the xfce devs have updated their docs - others haven't.
[21:32] <j1mc_> i think jeromeg had updated his, right?  :)
[21:32]  * JPohlmann hasn't. Shame on him.
[21:32]  * knome throws a rotten tomato on JPohlmann 
[21:32] <JPohlmann> AFAIR jeromeg has also updated the xfdesktop docs.
[21:32] <jeromeg> j1mc_: I have an up to date doc for xfce4 screenshooter and I updated the xfdesktop one
[21:32] <j1mc_> if xfce devs would file a bug against their packages in bugzilla - that would help things along.
[21:33] <JPohlmann> j1mc_: I guess I could do that since I'm contributing to most of them.
[21:33] <j1mc_> cody-somerville: a hug day sounds good.  i don't know how many docteam members are familiar with xubuntu, but we could still get some input.
[21:34] <j1mc_> JPohlmann: if you could do that, it would be great.
[21:34] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] j1mc_ to organize a Xubuntu doc hug day closer to doc freeze.
[21:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  j1mc_ to organize a Xubuntu doc hug day closer to doc freeze.
[21:34] <JPohlmann> cody-somerville: Can you create an action for the bug filing thing for me?
[21:35] <JPohlmann> Erm, yeah, I guess I can do that myself ...
[21:35] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] JPohlmann to get developers to file bugs against their packages that need doc updating.
[21:35] <MootBot> ACTION received:  JPohlmann to get developers to file bugs against their packages that need doc updating.
[21:35] <JPohlmann> Ok
[21:35] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Last minute topics
[21:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Last minute topics
[21:36] <cody-somerville> Anything else anyone would like to bring up before we conclude this meeting?
[21:36] <knome> I'm married!
[21:36] <knome> WOOHOOO
[21:36] <Myrtti> knome: congrats!
[21:36] <j1mc_> wow - congrats, knome!!!
[21:36] <knome> partee at my house any summer day ;)
[21:36] <charlie-tca> Yes, I would like opinions on expanduing the testing of the LiveCD to about what we do on an install
[21:36] <JPohlmann> On a side node: I've almost finished work on move/merging support in libxfce4menu. It won't make it into 4.6 but at least it's now pretty sure that it will be finished in 4.8 ;)
[21:36] <j1mc_> :)
[21:36] <knome> Myrtti, j1mc_: thanks
[21:37] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, knome :)
[21:37] <j1mc_> JPohlmann: wonderful.
[21:37] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Can you elaborate?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Many people are using the desktop cd as a live cd without installing. They are finding bugs we miss in testing
[21:38] <charlie-tca> I think we need to expand testing to actual use cases
[21:38] <cody-somerville> That sounds like an excellent idea to me.
[21:38] <charlie-tca> AbiWord, for example, will mis-spell words that work on the installed version
[21:39] <charlie-tca> pulse audio has to be installed to use totem and VLC
[21:39] <cody-somerville> oh bloody hell
[21:39] <charlie-tca> \o/
[21:39] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to speak with Luke and Charlie about audio issues.
[21:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to speak with Luke and Charlie about audio issues.
[21:40] <jeromeg> xubuntu ships vlc ?
[21:40] <cody-somerville> jeromeg, no
[21:40] <charlie-tca> No, but using it with the livecd fails
[21:40] <jeromeg> ok
[21:40] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, are there bugs for all this?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> some of it.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> bug 329252
[21:41] <charlie-tca> I don't think most of it is reported
[21:41] <cody-somerville> I was hoping we could avoid pulseaudio
[21:41] <cody-somerville> We'll have to investigate I guess
[21:41] <charlie-tca> doesn't seem like it
[21:41] <j1mc_> i know we talked about it earlier, and it looks like others disagre with me, but ... do we really want two menu items / places to update the same thing in Xubuntu?  (re: settings manager items or regular menu items)?
[21:41] <cody-somerville> Anything else we need to discuss before I conclude this meeting? :)
[21:41] <j1mc_> Of course, I'm partly asking because having them in two places requires that I document them being in two places, but it also doesn't make a lot of sense.
[21:41] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, I like both
[21:42] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, especially with the divider between the settings manager and the rest
[21:42] <j1mc_> others agree?
[21:42]  * charlie-tca nods
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I like the "other" menu, too
[21:42] <j1mc_> ok - so be it.  :)  i'll figure something out.
[21:43] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, sorry for the extra work ;p
[21:43] <j1mc_> no biggie
[21:43] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, I recommend for documentation that you pick one way and use it throughout for consistency
[21:43] <j1mc_> it would've been extra work for mr_pouit the other way, too.  :)
[21:43] <cody-somerville> ;]
[21:43] <cody-somerville> Okay, any other things? :)
[21:43] <knome> hmmh. who administrates the identi.ca xubuntu group?
[21:43] <j1mc_> i'll probably direct people to the settings manager, but will also note that they are available as individual menus
[21:43] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, okay
[21:44] <j1mc_> knome: boredandblogging
[21:44] <cody-somerville> #ENDMEETING
[21:44] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:44.
[21:44] <j1mc_> he set it up  (nick ali)
[21:44] <knome> ok.
[21:44] <j1mc_> All - next meeting is set for april 5th
[21:44] <j1mc_> a little earlier given the release cycle deadlines
[21:44] <knome> j1mc_, ali like right now in freenode?
[21:45] <cody-somerville> Who wants to update the wiki for this meeting?
[21:45] <knome> it's a long way there.
[21:45] <j1mc_> knome: he goes by boredandblogging on freenode
[21:45] <knome> ok.
[21:45] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, knome? :)
[21:45] <j1mc_> cody-somerville: i'll update the wiki
[21:45] <cody-somerville> thanks
[21:45] <knome> j1mc_, thanks.
[21:45] <j1mc_> np