[00:44] BUGabundo: cant you set metric manually in connection editor? [00:44] BUGabundo: network-config ... if thats the gnome thing then its abandoned [00:45] hi asac. [00:45] welcome [00:45] big headhacke [00:45] and no longer have the 2nd laptop here [00:45] I think its this http://network-config.sourceforge.net/site/home.php [00:46] so if I set a higher metric on wired, NM will prefer 3G ? [00:47] yes that should work (if metric is supported) [00:47] ok [00:47] will try again [00:47] BUGabundo: if it doesnt its worth thinking about it ;) [00:48] so I can upgrade xubuntu to use NM PPA to use the 3G dongle [00:48] asac, please hand over to me https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily, i need to drop mt from it [00:48] fta: huh? [00:48] "Biggest flaw: no built-in support for sharing across Ethernet instead of WiFi." [00:48] asac: http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/10/16/video-fedora-10-connection-sharing/ [00:49] as long as i host the bot, i don't want anyone pushing stuff to the daily branches hosts there [00:49] fta: nobody will [00:49] hosted [00:49] fta: at least not with asking ;) [00:49] who knows [00:49] without [00:49] too many people in the team that i don't even know [00:50] i run that on my own hardware [00:50] fta: we should fix that [00:50] too risky [00:50] in the meantime, i want to restrict access [00:51] fta: so who do you want to drop? [00:51] asac: metrics will not work... [00:51] diferent interfaces and networks [00:51] yes. could be that default route stuff is hacked [00:51] AFAIK I can only set metrics for each [00:52] everyone, expect me, and maybe you if you really need it even if so far, i don't think you do [00:52] you did the same for -security btw [00:53] fta: i think that thats really the cause why you say that actually [00:53] fta: i explained whyt that was done. its not _my_ decision [00:53] i never complained [00:53] the choice was: "either do that" or "dont stage there" [00:53] i fully understand the reasons [00:53] yes. but the reasons are different [00:54] i would trust anyone to not push there [00:54] how could you be sure? [00:55] fta: i am not sure. but i believe in social behaviour [00:55] even gnomefreak wanted to push there a few days ago [00:55] i have to check who is in mozillateam [00:55] but well. i think he would ask [00:56] i will dump a bunch of people from mozillateam now [00:56] it's not him in particular, it's my own security i'm concerned about [00:59] fta: you even run mozillateam branches on your system [00:59] ok i deactivated anyone who hasnt been active for a few month [00:59] https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+members [01:02] ideally, ubuntu should provide a box where users could run such things [01:02] like debian does [01:03] fta: as i said, i could work on getting that set up ... somewhere where the ppa-script is pulled and run daily [01:04] fta: what we can do is setup a EC2 instance [01:04] that wakes up once a day for an hour and spins stuff on 8 CPUs [01:04] actually i wanted to look into using that for a tinderbox too [01:04] so far, i do everything in ~20 minutes [01:05] yes. but EC2 instances can only allocated for 1h time slots [01:05] so 20 minutes or 40 doesnt matter [01:05] meaning we can still stack up ;) [01:06] !info ec2-ami-tools [01:06] ec2-ami-tools (source: ec2-ami-tools): Amazon EC2 AMI tools. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 1.3-26357-0ubuntu5 (intrepid), package size 61 kB, installed size 520 kB (Only available for amd64 i386) [01:07] http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ [01:08] so that would basically fire up such an instance, build stuff and trash it again [01:11] but this is not a free service [01:13] fta: i have to check that. i think i could claim that as expenses [01:13] probably lot cheaper than getting a dedicated system [02:18] so 0.7.1 will be a good NM release as i t sems [02:19] the package i have running is rocking stable ;) [02:19] well except a kernel bug that sends carrier on even though no cable is plugged in ;) [02:19] but with 2.6.29 its great [02:36] <[reed]> asac: it fix all the VPN issues? [02:38] [reed]: i am getting the vpn pieces together right now ;) [02:38] <[reed]> k [02:38] [reed]: currently only 3g which gained a good bunch of robustness [02:38] <[reed]> ah [02:39] [reed]: but it will go to jaunty and PPA maybe tomorrow .. latest monday [02:39] its a bit of extra work unfortunately, because upstream reorganized the branches [02:40] which is actually why i didnt track constantly [02:40] parts were moved to freedesktop org from gnome [02:40] others were split up in gnome svn ;) [02:52] [reed]: you use openvpn or what? [02:52] <[reed]> yes, openvpn for Mozilla, vpnc for school [02:52] ok [02:52] i only can test pptp ;) [02:53] but i should setup openvpn at home i think [02:53] but its debian etch ;) ... not sure how good that is there [02:53] http://howto.landure.fr/gnu-linux/debian-4-0-etch-en/install-and-setup-openvpn-on-debian-4-0-etch [02:54] slow page [02:55] hmmm ... seems i would need to tweak my tight fw rules [02:55] i better dont do that remotely ;) [02:56] still interesting to see how many steps it takes to set that up [02:56] i wanna wizard [03:17] * [reed] is doing his etch->lenny upgrade [03:17] <[reed]> on my server [10:09] * gnomefreak thinks setting masster password isnt going to help :( === asac_ is now known as asac [10:44] asac_: you here by chance i have a ? about the license info for flashgot. I'm doing new upstream [10:46] also was tb3 fixed? the blank panes [11:12] should "cd $EXTENSIONNAME.upstream [11:12] " be .ubuntu instead in the merging .ubuntu section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Packaging [12:23] hi [12:24] i am about to push a new release of flashblock [12:24] but i was wondering , would it be a good idea to enable ppa for team members ? [12:28] rzr_: are you a member of the team by chance? [12:28] either extension team or mozilla team [12:30] i am [12:30] * rzr_ is guilty for flashblock [12:30] brb [12:33] rzr_: you can upload to the teams PPA or or do as i do and uplod to personal PPA and link to it in bug but if you do that ad ~rzrto the end you can use numbers. if uploaded to mt add ~mt instead of rzr if extensions team use met or something [12:33] 3.2's addon manager is broken :( [12:35] so is 3.1's [12:36] yea [12:36] great [12:36] let's do it w/ fb then [12:37] only reason why we add ~bleh to the end is so once it hits ubuntu archives they wont be same version [12:38] no ppa in https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev [12:38] gnomefreak: you refering to https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam probally [12:39] rzr_: any PPA [12:39] i wanted to ask to open the ~mozillateam one [12:40] i applyed to join the ~mozilla one [12:40] its open to mozillateam memberrs (should be [12:40] ah did anyone reply to your request? [12:40] just applied now [12:40] k [12:42] me or alexander will get to it. hopfully he will show up today and reply i'm kind of busy so far and its only 7:41am [12:42] take your time [12:42] i use my own (full) ppa :) [12:58] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18058/ === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT [13:11] lol [13:25] rzr_: what mozilla teams are you member of? [13:26] addons one [13:26] check my profile [13:26] i got it [13:26] had problems getting your LP page [13:28] http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00002.html [13:28] debian 5 is out ;) [13:28] rzr_: you can ask for more space in your PPA [13:28] so expect major damage during syncs in next cycle ;) [13:28] lenny is stable from what i saw in debian packages site [13:28] it is [13:29] gnomefreak: yes, but now unstable (wqhere we sync from) is getting refactored ... hence we break [13:29] asac: im up for rzr being memeber of MT team [13:29] asac: thats not good this late in cycle [13:30] yeah i know we can still sync but not sure when cut off is [13:30] i am talking about jaunty [13:30] +1 [13:30] jaunty+1 that is [13:30] oh [13:31] ill be checking main in a bit. asac do you have objection to rzr_ 's application for MT? [13:32] well change that if tb3 is still borked it will be a bit longer [13:33] i just plan to upload to the moz ppa [13:33] asac: flashgot seamonkey are both ready for archives [13:33] but it may be too risqued for users [13:33] * gnomefreak steps outside for a bit. [13:35] rzr_: what do you want to upload to moz ppa? [13:35] and why? [13:36] i mean we dont upload anything there usually ;) [13:36] except for some quick tests [13:38] Hi all! [13:38] There any progress with this? [13:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/213708 [13:38] Ubuntu bug 213708 in xulrunner-1.9 "Please compile it with PGO optimizations" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [13:38] Also, there is a report in brainstorm [13:38] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18058/ [13:40] surfaz: saw that already you and rzr need to merge the 2 brainstorms i suggest merging to his since it has 3 other requests [13:40] http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00002.html [13:40] damnit wrong one [13:41] nevermind they are same [13:42] * gnomefreak hopes you cleaned up enigmail [13:42] gnomefreak, sorry I don't understand you. I said if mozillateam will add PGO optimizations to Firefox for Jaunty [13:43] surfaz: i know the bug but i was talking about the brainstorm page but i see its the same. it asks to support 3 total options [13:44] nope enigmail is still shitty [13:45] asac: i'm thinking we should support pre-release enigmail so we can use it for seamonkey2.0 in our PPA's not in Ubuntu repos yet. but its still running them damn configure.ini's [13:46] asac: ok then no need for me to be in the team so far [13:47] allmakefiles.sh is for 0.94 as well [13:47] [14:40] surfaz: saw that already you and rzr need to merge the 2 brainstorms i suggest merging to his since it has 3 other requests [13:47] ? [13:47] rzr_: i was looking at wrong link [13:47] ok [13:48] asac: do we have upstream bug for the empty panes in latest thunderbird 3.0? [13:57] rzr_: ok. team membership mostly is essential when you need to commit to our branches [13:57] surfaz just disappeared [13:59] i dont plan too yet [13:59] anyway a ppa in addons teams would be nice [14:01] should beablet o push to extensions team [14:02] rzr_: yeah. is there no ppa setup for extension team? [14:02] not yet [14:03] someone has to create it, i can do that [14:03] rzr_: ok i created it. [14:03] set up [14:03] should be ready now [14:03] oops [14:04] thx that's what i was looking for :) [14:06] http://identi.ca/notice/2309552 [14:06] :) [14:06] how did you do that [14:08] hi [14:08] asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1068143 [14:08] gnomefreak: i hit the "activate ppa button" [14:08] i think mt is admin for extensions-dev [14:09] asac: i did that at same time you did but it automaticly went to that blog [14:09] gnomefreak: hehe ... well i wrote it ;) [14:09] after activating it [14:09] ah [14:09] so no magic [14:09] fta: that may not be best to advertise just yet [14:10] gnomefreak, i didn't do it, plun did, and asac before him [14:10] ah [14:10] fta: nice ;) [14:11] gnomefreak, http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/158-Ubuntu-Mozilla-Daily-Archive-with-firefox-3.1-and-3.2-for-hardy,-intrepid-and-jaunty.html [14:11] gnomefreak: well. -daily is expected to break from time to time. [14:12] well only a few issues with ff 3.1 and 3.2 but tb3 is not usable. is there an upstream bug on tb3 pane issue? [14:12] i just need some time to fix tbird. cant be really that hard ... except that even #maildev folks didnt know why they use resource://app/ as prefix (and how they define it) [14:12] gnomefreak: no. its a packaging issue [14:12] gnomefreak: running from dist/bin is ok [14:12] ah [14:13] roblem is that next week is feature freeze and there are certain things expected to happen before that from my side [14:13] moz packaging issue, not our fault [14:14] yeah [14:14] i would say ff issues are not ours maybe plugin manaer but about is not ours [14:14] depends on how you look [14:14] manager even [14:14] if upstreams works how can it not be ours? [14:16] for tb, make install is broken, it's not our fault, we just use the result of it [14:17] yet we can fix it, i already created a huge patch, but apparently, there's still something missing, or misplaced. [14:18] fta: its a bit of a mystery why the resource://app/ things dont resolve for us [14:19] thats definitly one problem. maybe replacing all resource://app/ with resource:/// would help for a quick cure [14:22] fta: so resource://app/modules/distribution.js opens in ffox [14:22] similar to resource:///modules/distribution.js [14:22] asac, if it works from dist, it has to be something with the packaging. maybe something missing in the main xpt [14:22] guud after noon [14:22] fta: could be but we see all those file not found errors [14:22] with resource://app/ ... [14:22] which of course could be a missing component too [14:23] maybe not doing this "remove-files" thing might help [14:23] or misplaced component maybe, otherwise compare would have spotted it [14:23] at unless we are sure all those.xpt get wrapped into a big mail.xpt [14:23] or something [14:23] we have packages for Eudora but we are missing Eudora :( [14:23] gnomefreak: eudora is non-free i think [14:24] if its the mail client [14:24] oh almost a good reason yes mail client [14:24] have packages that cant be used may be not so good idea without the main package [14:25] heh [14:25] is it really for the mail client? [14:25] i think qualcomm did other stuff with that brand [14:25] poppassd - password change server for Eudora and NUPOP [14:25] yes [14:25] so thats ok [14:25] im looking at main site [14:26] there is opensource version [14:27] * gnomefreak sticking with tb another tb based mail client is IMHO not worth it [14:28] gnomefreak: try kmail [14:28] followed by mutt, I considered it the best email client out there [14:28] BUGabundo: no thank you i had nothing but problems with it [14:28] gnomefreak: like what? [14:28] like not getting emails [14:29] other then a bug with DELETE, most of it is stable and working [14:29] not being able to sign ect.. [14:29] yeah ... i abandoned kmail when it killed a bunch of mails at some point [14:29] gnomefreak: that usually happends do to kio locks [14:29] PGP is working great [14:29] and as been since 3.x [14:30] last time i played with it as before 4.x releases [14:30] i think enigmail is currently the best gpg impl for email ;) ... all the others focus on only one type of GPG [14:30] but maybe that changed ;) [14:31] i hate when people stop right in the middle of a sentence on bug reports :( [14:31] kmail used to have built in GPG app [14:31] have you guys ran https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting ? [14:31] I'm running it on my old laptop [14:31] BUGabundo: not me no laptop running anything higher than feisty [14:31] and then I'll run it on this one [14:32] can't it be run on Desktops? [14:32] (sure you can't test battery resume. lol) [14:32] but neither can my old laptop... no bat [14:32] 13 years with mutt, no problem ever. i recently switched to evolution, it's a nightmare :( [14:33] eheh [14:33] fta: it is a nightmare and has been for a long time [14:33] mutt is GREAT [14:33] I can't touch either evo or TB [14:33] for me its either kmail or gmail [14:33] * BUGabundo notes gmail CAN'T handle MLs [14:34] what is kmail? [14:34] kde mail client [14:34] asac: when the suspend tests finish, ill try to colect debug data from old laptop and 3G [14:34] !info kmail [14:34] !info kmail [14:34] kmail (source: kdepim): KDE Email client. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid2 (intrepid), package size 3266 kB, installed size 9192 kB [14:35] ubottu: doesn't like me [14:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about doesn't like me [14:35] kde, no thanks [14:35] BUGabundo: you had space infornt of ! [14:35] I use gnome, but I love kmail and few other kde apps [14:35] gnomefreak: pidgin will interpet ! as a command [14:35] usually I give a space, and most bots will act on it [14:36] pidgin for irc is crazy [14:36] !pidgin [14:36] The Instant Messenger Client Pidgin (formerly Gaim) (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin) supports MSN, XMPP (Jabber, GTalk and variants), AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ, YIM, IRC and others. See also !Kopete [14:36] hmmmmm [14:36] !info pidgin [14:36] see its with info [14:36] fta: big PIG works great... I just have a bunch of crashs [14:36] some due to PA, others with SSL, some with race condicions [14:36] !info pidgin [14:36] pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.5.2-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 546 kB, installed size 1952 kB [14:36] and some due to bad plugins [14:37] no whitespace gnomefreak [14:37] asac: i know the bot doesnt like it and it wasnt fixed yet [14:37] someone took a master bug crash and is going to fix it :) [14:37] just not sure who he is [14:38] fta: and I haven't found any other IM client that allows me *easilly* to jump to active talks and even understand replies [14:38] xchat as no quick jump to last chat window shortcut AFAIK [14:38] as i already told you, irc is not an IM protocol [14:38] even some pidgin devs say that [14:39] he asigned himself to an invalid task [14:39] BUGabundo, what do you mean by "jump to active talks and even understand replies" ? [14:42] ctr-tab [14:42] it cycles around active chat (either irc, IM, bots, etc) tabs [14:42] and jumps immediately to any that was a direct reply to you [14:43] you have colors for that [14:44] gnomefreak: folks sometimes do crazy bug work ;) [14:45] fta: yes I have colors too [14:45] but I need to jump to the tab [14:45] and ctrl+tab does that easy [14:47] well, donno. maybe there's already scripts for that, xchat is easily scriptable [14:47] perl, python, tcl, .. [14:55] arghhh ... dialog boxes for action-full notifications is really really annoying [14:55] where? [14:57] fta: i got a pre-snapshot of this new notification thing. be happy that you dont need to use that [14:58] i now have like 100 dialogs open from gwibber notifications [14:58] all just for "reply" ;) [14:58] lol [14:58] * asac starts clicking them away [14:58] then closes gwibber [14:58] and looks how to fix it [14:59] i think the right fix is to test for the "action" capability of notification daemon before using it in notifications [15:11] ok im done for the day, flashgot and seamonkey im done with. both work fine here. ill be bacck tonigh or tomorrow im heading to a car show in a bit. [18:31] mozilla Bug 466019 [18:31] Mozilla bug 466019 in Mail Window Front End "allow switching to tabs in new tabbed interface (via ctrl+tab number)" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466019 [19:10] asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/329798 [19:10] Ubuntu bug 329798 in network-manager "NM will not connect to FON AP" [Undecided,New] [19:11] hihi [19:11] * Nafallo haven't seen FON having free wireless in the DC ;-) === asac_ is now known as asac [19:40] dtchen, how can i prevent the ratelimit to kick in? it's making the sound unbearable :( W: ratelimit.c: 17 events suppressed [23:23] Hi, what's the status on bug #217908 ? [23:23] Launchpad bug 217908 in cairo "Pixellated Images in Firefox/Opera due to incorrect EXTEND_PAD implementation in several video drivers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217908