[00:44] <asac> BUGabundo: cant you set metric manually in connection editor?
[00:44] <asac> BUGabundo: network-config ... if thats the gnome thing then its abandoned
[00:45] <BUGabundo> hi asac.
[00:45] <BUGabundo> welcome
[00:45] <BUGabundo> big headhacke
[00:45] <BUGabundo> and no longer have the 2nd laptop here
[00:45] <BUGabundo> I think its this http://network-config.sourceforge.net/site/home.php
[00:46] <BUGabundo> so if I set a higher metric on wired, NM will prefer 3G ?
[00:47] <asac> yes that should work (if metric is supported)
[00:47] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:47] <BUGabundo> will try again
[00:47] <asac> BUGabundo: if it doesnt its worth thinking about it ;)
[00:48] <BUGabundo> so I can upgrade xubuntu to use NM PPA to use the 3G dongle
[00:48] <fta> asac, please hand over to me https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily, i need to drop mt from it
[00:48] <asac> fta: huh?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> "Biggest flaw: no built-in support for sharing across Ethernet instead of WiFi."
[00:48] <BUGabundo> asac: http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/10/16/video-fedora-10-connection-sharing/
[00:49] <fta> as long as i host the bot, i don't want anyone pushing stuff to the daily branches hosts there
[00:49] <asac> fta: nobody will
[00:49] <fta> hosted
[00:49] <asac> fta: at least not with asking ;)
[00:49] <fta> who knows
[00:49] <asac> without
[00:49] <fta> too many people in the team that i don't even know
[00:50] <fta> i run that on my own hardware
[00:50] <asac> fta: we should fix that
[00:50] <fta> too risky
[00:50] <fta> in the meantime, i want to restrict access
[00:51] <asac> fta: so who do you want to drop?
[00:51] <BUGabundo> asac: metrics will not work...
[00:51] <BUGabundo> diferent interfaces and networks
[00:51] <asac> yes. could be that default route stuff is hacked
[00:51] <BUGabundo> AFAIK I can only set metrics for each
[00:52] <fta> everyone, expect me, and maybe you if you really need it even if so far, i don't think you do
[00:52] <fta> you did the same for -security btw
[00:53] <asac> fta: i think that thats really the cause why you say that actually
[00:53] <asac> fta: i explained whyt that was done. its not _my_ decision
[00:53] <fta> i never complained
[00:53] <asac> the choice was: "either do that" or "dont stage there"
[00:53] <fta> i fully understand the reasons
[00:53] <asac> yes. but the reasons are different
[00:54] <asac> i would trust anyone to not push there
[00:54] <fta> how could you be sure?
[00:55] <asac> fta: i am not sure. but i believe in social behaviour
[00:55] <fta> even gnomefreak wanted to push there a few days ago
[00:55] <asac> i have to check who is in mozillateam
[00:55] <asac> but well. i think he would ask
[00:56] <asac> i will dump a bunch of people from mozillateam now
[00:56] <fta> it's not him in particular, it's my own security i'm concerned about
[00:59] <asac> fta: you even run mozillateam branches on your system
[00:59] <asac> ok i deactivated anyone who hasnt been active for a few month
[00:59] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+members
[01:02] <fta> ideally, ubuntu should provide a box where users could run such things
[01:02] <fta> like debian does
[01:03] <asac> fta: as i said, i could work on getting that set up ... somewhere where the ppa-script is pulled and run daily
[01:04] <asac> fta: what we can do is setup a EC2 instance
[01:04] <asac> that wakes up once a day for an hour and spins stuff on 8 CPUs
[01:04] <asac> actually i wanted to look into using that for a tinderbox too
[01:04] <fta> so far, i do everything in ~20 minutes
[01:05] <asac> yes. but EC2 instances can only allocated for 1h time slots
[01:05] <asac> so 20 minutes or 40 doesnt matter
[01:05] <asac> meaning we can still stack up ;)
[01:06] <asac> !info ec2-ami-tools
[01:07] <asac> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
[01:08] <asac> so that would basically fire up such an instance, build stuff and trash it again
[01:11] <fta> but this is not a free service
[01:13] <asac> fta:  i have to check that. i think i could claim that as expenses
[01:13] <asac> probably lot cheaper than getting a dedicated system
[02:18] <asac> so 0.7.1 will be a good NM release as i t sems
[02:19] <asac> the package i have running is rocking stable ;)
[02:19] <asac> well except a kernel bug that sends carrier on even though no cable is plugged in ;)
[02:19] <asac> but with 2.6.29 its great
[02:36] <[reed]> asac: it fix all the VPN issues?
[02:38] <asac> [reed]: i am getting the vpn pieces together right now ;)
[02:38] <[reed]> k
[02:38] <asac> [reed]: currently only 3g which gained a good bunch of robustness
[02:38] <[reed]> ah
[02:39] <asac> [reed]: but it will go to jaunty and PPA maybe tomorrow .. latest monday
[02:39] <asac> its a bit of extra work unfortunately, because upstream reorganized the branches
[02:40] <asac> which is actually why i didnt track constantly
[02:40] <asac> parts were moved to freedesktop org from gnome
[02:40] <asac> others were split up in gnome svn ;)
[02:52] <asac> [reed]: you use openvpn or what?
[02:52] <[reed]> yes, openvpn for Mozilla, vpnc for school
[02:52] <asac> ok
[02:52] <asac> i only can test pptp ;)
[02:53] <asac> but i should setup openvpn at home i think
[02:53] <asac> but its debian etch ;) ... not sure how good that is there
[02:53] <asac> http://howto.landure.fr/gnu-linux/debian-4-0-etch-en/install-and-setup-openvpn-on-debian-4-0-etch
[02:54] <asac> slow page
[02:55] <asac> hmmm ... seems i would need to tweak my tight fw rules
[02:55] <asac> i better dont do that remotely ;)
[02:56] <asac> still interesting to see how many steps it takes to set that up
[02:56] <asac> i wanna wizard
[03:17]  * [reed] is doing his etch->lenny upgrade
[03:17] <[reed]> on my server
[10:09]  * gnomefreak thinks setting masster password isnt going to help :(
[10:44] <gnomefreak> asac_: you here by chance i have a ? about the license info for flashgot. I'm doing new upstream
[10:46] <gnomefreak> also was tb3 fixed? the blank panes
[11:12] <gnomefreak> should "cd $EXTENSIONNAME.upstream
[11:12] <gnomefreak> " be .ubuntu instead in the merging .ubuntu section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Packaging
[12:23] <rzr_> hi
[12:24] <rzr_> i am about to push a new release of flashblock
[12:24] <rzr_> but i was wondering , would it be a good idea to enable ppa for team members ?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> rzr_: are you a member of the team by chance?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> either extension team or mozilla team
[12:30] <rzr_> i am
[12:30]  * rzr_ is guilty for flashblock
[12:30] <rzr_> brb
[12:33] <gnomefreak> rzr_: you can upload to the teams PPA or or do as i do and uplod to personal PPA and link to it in bug but if you do that ad ~rzrto the end you can use numbers. if uploaded to mt add ~mt instead of rzr if extensions team use met or something
[12:33] <gnomefreak> 3.2's addon manager is broken :(
[12:35] <gnomefreak> so is 3.1's
[12:36] <rzr_> yea
[12:36] <rzr_> great
[12:36] <rzr_> let's do it w/ fb then
[12:37] <gnomefreak> only reason why we add ~bleh to the end is so once it hits ubuntu archives they wont be same version
[12:38] <rzr_> no ppa in https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-extensions-dev
[12:38] <rzr_> gnomefreak: you refering to https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam probally
[12:39] <gnomefreak> rzr_: any PPA
[12:39] <rzr_> i wanted to ask to open the ~mozillateam one
[12:40] <rzr_> i applyed to join  the ~mozilla one
[12:40] <gnomefreak> its open to mozillateam memberrs (should be
[12:40] <gnomefreak> ah did anyone reply to your request?
[12:40] <rzr_> just applied now
[12:40] <gnomefreak> k
[12:42] <gnomefreak> me or alexander will get to it. hopfully he will show up today and reply i'm kind of busy so far and its only 7:41am
[12:42] <rzr_> take your time
[12:42] <rzr_> i use my own (full) ppa :)
[12:58] <RainCT_> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18058/
[13:11] <rzr_> lol
[13:25] <gnomefreak> rzr_: what mozilla teams are you member of?
[13:26] <rzr_> addons one
[13:26] <rzr_> check my profile
[13:26] <gnomefreak> i got it
[13:26] <gnomefreak> had problems getting your LP page
[13:28] <asac> http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00002.html
[13:28] <asac> debian 5 is out ;)
[13:28] <gnomefreak> rzr_: you can ask for more space in your PPA
[13:28] <asac> so expect major damage during syncs in next cycle ;)
[13:28] <gnomefreak> lenny is stable from what i saw in debian packages site
[13:28] <rzr_> it is
[13:29] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, but now unstable (wqhere we sync from) is getting refactored ... hence we break
[13:29] <gnomefreak> asac: im up for rzr being memeber of MT team
[13:29] <gnomefreak> asac: thats not good this late in cycle
[13:30] <gnomefreak> yeah i know we can still sync but not sure when cut off is
[13:30] <asac> i am talking about jaunty
[13:30] <asac> +1
[13:30] <asac> jaunty+1 that is
[13:30] <gnomefreak> oh
[13:31] <gnomefreak> ill be checking main in a bit. asac do you have objection to rzr_ 's application for MT?
[13:32] <gnomefreak> well change that if tb3 is still borked it will be a bit longer
[13:33] <rzr_> i just plan to upload to the moz ppa
[13:33] <gnomefreak> asac: flashgot seamonkey are both ready for archives
[13:33] <rzr_> but it may be too risqued for users
[13:33]  * gnomefreak steps outside for a bit.
[13:35] <asac> rzr_: what do you want to upload to moz ppa?
[13:35] <asac> and why?
[13:36] <asac> i mean we dont upload anything there usually ;)
[13:36] <asac> except for some quick tests
[13:38] <surfaz> Hi all!
[13:38] <surfaz> There any progress with this?
[13:38] <surfaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/213708
[13:38] <surfaz> Also, there is a report in brainstorm
[13:38] <surfaz> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18058/
[13:40] <gnomefreak> surfaz: saw that already you and rzr need to merge the 2 brainstorms i suggest merging to his since it has 3 other requests
[13:40] <gnomefreak> http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00002.html
[13:40] <gnomefreak> damnit wrong one
[13:41] <gnomefreak> nevermind they are same
[13:42]  * gnomefreak hopes you cleaned up enigmail
[13:42] <surfaz> gnomefreak, sorry I don't understand you. I said if mozillateam will add PGO optimizations to Firefox for Jaunty
[13:43] <gnomefreak> surfaz: i know the bug but i was talking about the brainstorm page but i see its the same. it asks to support 3 total options
[13:44] <gnomefreak> nope enigmail is still shitty
[13:45] <gnomefreak> asac: i'm thinking we should support pre-release enigmail so we can use it for seamonkey2.0 in our PPA's not in Ubuntu repos yet. but its still running them damn configure.ini's
[13:46] <rzr_> asac: ok then no need for me to be in the team so far
[13:47] <gnomefreak> allmakefiles.sh is for 0.94 as well
[13:47] <rzr_> [14:40] <gnomefreak> surfaz: saw that already you and rzr need to merge the 2 brainstorms i suggest merging to his since it has 3 other requests
[13:47] <rzr_> ?
[13:47] <gnomefreak> rzr_: i was looking at wrong link
[13:47] <rzr_> ok
[13:48] <gnomefreak> asac: do we have upstream bug for the empty panes in latest thunderbird 3.0?
[13:57] <asac> rzr_: ok. team membership mostly is essential when you need to commit to our branches
[13:57] <asac> surfaz just disappeared
[13:59] <rzr_> i dont plan too yet
[13:59] <rzr_> anyway a ppa in addons teams would be nice
[14:01] <gnomefreak> should beablet o push to extensions team
[14:02] <asac> rzr_: yeah. is there no ppa setup for extension team?
[14:02] <rzr_> not yet
[14:03] <rzr_> someone has to create it, i can do that
[14:03] <asac> rzr_: ok i created it.
[14:03] <gnomefreak> set up
[14:03] <asac> should be ready now
[14:03] <gnomefreak> oops
[14:04] <rzr_> thx that's what i was looking for :)
[14:06] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/2309552
[14:06] <asac> :)
[14:06] <gnomefreak> how did you do that
[14:08] <fta> hi
[14:08] <fta> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1068143
[14:08] <asac> gnomefreak: i hit the "activate ppa button"
[14:08] <asac> i think mt is admin for extensions-dev
[14:09] <gnomefreak> asac: i did that at same time you did but it automaticly went to that blog
[14:09] <asac> gnomefreak: hehe ... well i wrote it ;)
[14:09] <asac> after activating it
[14:09] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:09] <asac> so no magic
[14:09] <gnomefreak> fta: that may not be best to advertise just yet
[14:10] <fta> gnomefreak, i didn't do it, plun did, and asac before him
[14:10] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:10] <asac> fta: nice ;)
[14:11] <fta> gnomefreak, http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/158-Ubuntu-Mozilla-Daily-Archive-with-firefox-3.1-and-3.2-for-hardy,-intrepid-and-jaunty.html
[14:11] <asac> gnomefreak: well. -daily is expected to break from time to time.
[14:12] <gnomefreak> well only a few issues with ff 3.1 and 3.2 but tb3 is not usable. is there an upstream bug on tb3 pane issue?
[14:12] <asac> i just need some time to fix tbird. cant be really that hard ... except that even #maildev folks didnt know why they use resource://app/ as prefix (and how they define it)
[14:12] <asac> gnomefreak: no. its a packaging issue
[14:12] <asac> gnomefreak: running from dist/bin is ok
[14:12] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:13] <asac> roblem is that next week is feature freeze and there are certain things expected to happen before that from my side
[14:13] <fta> moz packaging issue, not our fault
[14:14] <asac> yeah
[14:14] <gnomefreak> i would say ff issues are not ours maybe plugin manaer but about is not ours
[14:14] <asac> depends on how you look
[14:14] <gnomefreak> manager even
[14:14] <gnomefreak> if upstreams works how can it not be ours?
[14:16] <fta> for tb, make install is broken, it's not our fault, we just use the result of it
[14:17] <fta> yet we can fix it, i already created a huge patch, but apparently, there's still something missing, or misplaced.
[14:18] <asac> fta: its a bit of a mystery why the resource://app/ things dont resolve for us
[14:19] <asac> thats definitly one problem. maybe replacing all resource://app/ with resource:/// would help for a quick cure
[14:22] <asac> fta: so resource://app/modules/distribution.js opens in ffox
[14:22] <asac> similar to resource:///modules/distribution.js
[14:22] <fta> asac, if it works from dist, it has to be something with the packaging. maybe something missing in the main xpt
[14:22] <BUGabundo> guud after noon
[14:22] <asac> fta: could be but we see all those file not found errors
[14:22] <asac> with resource://app/ ...
[14:22] <asac> which of course could be a missing component too
[14:23] <asac> maybe not doing this "remove-files" thing might help
[14:23] <fta> or misplaced component maybe, otherwise compare would have spotted it
[14:23] <asac> at unless we are sure all those.xpt get wrapped into a big mail.xpt
[14:23] <asac> or something
[14:23] <gnomefreak> we have packages for Eudora but we are missing Eudora :(
[14:23] <asac> gnomefreak: eudora is non-free i think
[14:24] <asac> if its the mail client
[14:24] <gnomefreak> oh almost a good reason yes mail client
[14:24] <gnomefreak> have packages that cant be used may be not so good idea without the main package
[14:25] <asac> heh
[14:25] <asac> is it really for the mail client?
[14:25] <asac> i think qualcomm did other stuff with that brand
[14:25] <gnomefreak> poppassd - password change server for Eudora and NUPOP
[14:25] <asac> yes
[14:25] <asac> so thats ok
[14:25] <gnomefreak> im looking at main site
[14:26] <gnomefreak> there is opensource version
[14:27]  * gnomefreak sticking with tb another tb based mail client is IMHO not worth it
[14:28] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: try kmail
[14:28] <BUGabundo> followed by mutt, I considered it the best email client out there
[14:28] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: no thank you i had nothing but problems with it
[14:28] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: like what?
[14:28] <gnomefreak> like not getting emails
[14:29] <BUGabundo> other then a bug with DELETE, most of it is stable and working
[14:29] <gnomefreak> not being able to sign ect..
[14:29] <asac> yeah ... i abandoned kmail when it killed a bunch of mails at some point
[14:29] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: that usually happends do to kio locks
[14:29] <BUGabundo> PGP is working great
[14:29] <BUGabundo> and as been since 3.x
[14:30] <gnomefreak> last time i played with it as before 4.x releases
[14:30] <asac> i think enigmail is currently the best gpg impl for email ;) ... all the others focus on only one type of GPG
[14:30] <asac> but maybe that changed ;)
[14:31] <gnomefreak> i hate when people stop right in the middle of a sentence on bug reports :(
[14:31] <gnomefreak> kmail used to have built in GPG app
[14:31] <BUGabundo> have you guys ran https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting ?
[14:31] <BUGabundo> I'm running it on my old laptop
[14:31] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: not me no laptop running anything higher than feisty
[14:31] <BUGabundo> and then I'll run it on this one
[14:32] <BUGabundo> can't it be run on Desktops?
[14:32] <BUGabundo> (sure you can't test battery resume. lol)
[14:32] <BUGabundo> but neither can my old laptop... no bat
[14:32] <fta> 13 years with mutt, no problem ever. i recently switched to evolution, it's a nightmare :(
[14:33] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:33] <gnomefreak> fta: it is a nightmare and has been for a long time
[14:33] <BUGabundo> mutt is GREAT
[14:33] <BUGabundo> I can't touch either evo or TB
[14:33] <BUGabundo> for me its either kmail or gmail
[14:33]  * BUGabundo notes gmail CAN'T handle MLs
[14:34] <fta> what is kmail?
[14:34] <gnomefreak> kde mail client
[14:34] <BUGabundo> asac: when the suspend tests finish, ill try to colect debug data from old laptop and 3G
[14:34] <BUGabundo>  !info kmail
[14:34] <fta> !info kmail
[14:35] <BUGabundo> ubottu: doesn't like me
[14:35] <fta> kde, no thanks
[14:35] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: you had space infornt of !
[14:35] <BUGabundo> I use gnome, but I love kmail and few other kde apps
[14:35] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: pidgin will interpet ! as a command
[14:35] <BUGabundo> usually I give a space, and most bots will act on it
[14:36] <fta> pidgin for irc is crazy
[14:36] <gnomefreak>  !pidgin
[14:36] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[14:36] <gnomefreak>  !info pidgin
[14:36] <gnomefreak> see its with info
[14:36] <BUGabundo> fta: big PIG works great... I just have a bunch of crashs
[14:36] <BUGabundo> some due to PA, others with SSL, some with race condicions
[14:36] <asac> !info pidgin
[14:36] <BUGabundo> and some due to bad plugins
[14:37] <asac> no whitespace gnomefreak
[14:37] <gnomefreak> asac: i know the bot doesnt like it and it wasnt fixed yet
[14:37] <gnomefreak> someone took a master bug crash and is going to fix it  :)
[14:37] <gnomefreak> just not sure who he is
[14:38] <BUGabundo> fta: and I haven't found any other IM client that allows me *easilly* to jump to active talks and even understand replies
[14:38] <BUGabundo> xchat as no quick jump to last chat window shortcut AFAIK
[14:38] <fta> as i already told you, irc is not an IM protocol
[14:38] <BUGabundo> even some pidgin devs say that
[14:39] <gnomefreak> he asigned himself to an invalid task
[14:39] <fta> BUGabundo, what do you mean by "jump to active talks and even understand replies" ?
[14:42] <BUGabundo> ctr-tab
[14:42] <BUGabundo> it cycles around active chat (either irc, IM, bots, etc) tabs
[14:42] <BUGabundo> and jumps immediately to any that was a direct reply to you
[14:43] <fta> you have colors for that
[14:44] <asac> gnomefreak: folks sometimes do crazy bug work ;)
[14:45] <BUGabundo> fta: yes I have colors too
[14:45] <BUGabundo> but I need to jump to the tab
[14:45] <BUGabundo> and ctrl+tab does that easy
[14:47] <fta> well, donno. maybe there's already scripts for that, xchat is easily scriptable
[14:47] <fta> perl, python, tcl, ..
[14:55] <asac> arghhh ... dialog boxes for action-full notifications is really really annoying
[14:55] <fta> where?
[14:57] <asac> fta: i got a pre-snapshot of this new notification thing. be happy that you dont need to use that
[14:58] <asac> i now have like 100 dialogs open from gwibber notifications
[14:58] <asac> all just for "reply" ;)
[14:58] <fta> lol
[14:58]  * asac starts clicking them away
[14:58] <asac> then closes gwibber
[14:58] <asac> and looks how to fix it
[14:59] <asac> i think the right fix is to test for the "action" capability of notification daemon before using it in notifications
[15:11] <gnomefreak> ok im done for the day, flashgot and seamonkey im done with. both work fine here. ill be bacck tonigh or tomorrow im heading to a car show in a bit.
[18:31] <fta> mozilla Bug 466019
[19:10] <BUGabundo> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/329798
[19:11] <Nafallo> hihi
[19:11]  * Nafallo haven't seen FON having free wireless in the DC ;-)
[19:40] <fta> dtchen, how can i prevent the ratelimit to kick in? it's making the sound unbearable :( W: ratelimit.c: 17 events suppressed
[23:23] <TomJaeger> Hi, what's the status on bug #217908 ?