[00:21] hey everyone [00:22] if anyone gets a chance, i need to know what to do to get a usb dvd burner to be recognized in xubuntu [00:22] connect it [00:23] :D [00:23] it is [00:23] k, maybe i'm asking the wrong question; how do i access it? or see where it's at? [00:24] put a disc in it [00:24] that's just crazy enough to work, brb [00:24] with data on it [00:24] or empty [00:24] (then a cd burning app should start) [00:24] data disc comes up on the desktop [00:28] nothing has happened so far [00:28] look in /media for it [00:31] /media has cdrom and cdrom0 but ls brings up nothing for both of them (data disk is in drive) [00:32] do i have to reboot with the cdrom installed? [00:33] no [00:33] does the command 'lsusb' in terminal show your drive? [00:34] Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub <--is that my drive? [00:35] no [00:35] that's internal usb hub [00:35] :( [00:46] sure there's no usb thing i have to load up with boot-up? === danielm__ is now known as danielm [01:00] good evening all [01:01] I've got a bit of an issue that I am hoping that someone can help me with [01:02] I am having issues getting my hdd to mount with the alt xubuntu install disk === marc__ is now known as marc1453 [01:04] the sudo command is not recognized [01:05] when I type "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/C" it states invalid argument [01:05] you need a -t in there [01:05] before /dev or after C? [01:06] it's usually something like "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/C" [01:07] well that seems to have worked, how can I get back to the install to check and see if the hdd is seen now? [01:07] probably alt-F8 [01:07] Hello, I just installed FuseSmb as per the suggestions at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131. As far as I can tell, I did as suggested. I now have a shortcut link to media/network that should allow me to browse my MS Windows shares. [01:07] can someone give me some hints as to why this folder shows as empty in thunar? [01:07] gaurdro alt-F8 didn't work any other ideas? [01:08] go through the other alt-f-key combinations. [01:08] got it alt-F1 [01:09] thanks gaurdro [01:09] no problem [01:10] the installer is still not recognizing the hdd, any ideas that I can try? [01:12] any ideas for me guys? i'm thinking that maybe my usb ports are just dead [01:15] wait, my usb mouse worked [01:15] so what's the deal here? [01:16] marc1453, so you have mounted it? [01:19] knome: I am not very familiar with Unix. I would say that I am a person who can use, but not really troubleshoot or use *nix. I have worked in it, but mounting drives was never something I needed to worry about. I just ran the commands I was asked to and used the scripts I needed. I followed the steps as per the tutorial. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131. I presumed it... [01:19] ...was mounted. [01:20] marc1453, can you see it when you issue the command 'mount' in terminal? [01:20] knome: will chekc [01:22] I see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131, but I see no reference to /media/mswindows (the mount point) [01:22] knome: oops [01:22] I see fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw), not the mount point [01:22] hmm.. [01:25] the MS windows network I would like to be able to browse has several XP boxes with multiple shares. A typical one would be 192.168.0.2\music. that ip is known as zaphod, so in windows I mount it (assign drive letter) to \\zaphod\music [01:26] is there a way to use FuseSmb to just mount that ServerName\MountName in Thundar as well as within the terminal? [01:27] marc1453, i'm not sure. [01:27] how can i install a package that is not listed in synaptic? i need to install enfuse but the version i need is in the jaunty repo and i am running ibex [01:27] kno I just noticed... [01:28] knome: I just noticed that Samba does not appear to be running ~$ ps -ef | grep samba [01:28] okay was able to fdisk launch fdisk and delete the ntfs partitions on the hdd and create a new partition but it states it will not be able to be used until a reboot, does that seem right? [01:30] txDEF: I am catching your thread in the middle... but usually a reboot is required whenever you fdisk [01:30] okay [01:31] txDEF: I believe that is something fundamental to the x86 architecture [01:32] I just don't remember having to do that before when I ran fdisk on dos, windows 95-xp and red hat, but maybe it has been too long [01:32] knome: is there a need to formally add samba to the auto started applicaitons under Settings -> Settings Manager? [01:33] marc1453, sorry, i'm not sure about that either [01:34] k, usb was just loose...i guess [01:35] idk, weirdest thing, mouse wasn't even working in it for a while [01:36] every now and then when I'm using an application that has sound, all sound will cut out. if I close the application, its process will remain open and sound will not play. if I kill the process, sound will be restored. [01:36] That happens to me too [01:36] In particular, firefox [01:36] knome: thanks for the help, I will look for what I can find and come back to the channel if I have no luck. [01:36] yeah, I get it on firefox and vlc. [01:37] it's really really annoying. does anyone have a fix? [01:39] what is the default file system that fdisk creates a partition with? [01:39] I am trying to mount the partition and don't know the file system to go after -t flag [01:41] ext3? [01:41] i'm just guessing [01:41] I have already tried ext3, ext, xfs, hfs, nfs and no go [01:44] any other ideas? [01:44] ext3 [01:45] still no go with ext3 [01:45] what about ext3? [01:45] okay is this a joke I am missing? [01:45] i'm just out of ideas past that [01:46] actually, I'm pretty sure it's ext3. [01:46] i would have assumed that's the default [01:47] it is. now stop joking about it. [01:47] okay fdisk -l shows that sda1p1 is hpfs/ntfs [01:47] and it will not allow me to mount the partition now [01:48] okay I am frustrated with this, how do I mount the hdd and not the partition so that I can wipe the drive completely? [01:50] txDEF, you can not. [01:50] txDEF, To do that, you'll have to use dd [01:52] cody, can you give me an example? [01:53] http://www.google.ca/search?q=how+to+wipe+an+entire+drive+in+linux :) [01:53] There are lots of different tutorials [01:53] txDEF, Its a dangerous operation (naturally) [01:54] You can write all zeros to the disk, write random data to the disk, just delete the partitions, etc. [01:54] txDEF, In the end, what exactly are you trying to accomplish anyhow? [01:55] I am trying to do a clean install of xubuntu on an older system, but the hdd is not being recognized by the regular installer, so someone suggested the alt install [01:56] the alt install is not recognizing the hdd either so I figure I need to jump into the command line a wipe out the partition first, b/c it was booting with windows without an issue [01:56] Nah, I doubt thats the issue. [01:56] I dunno why the installers wouldn't recognize the hard drive. [01:56] me to [01:57] What version are you trying to install? [01:57] 8.10 [01:57] I suggest filing a bug or visiting #ubuntu-installer during EU business hours [01:57] but it does see the hdd on the command line [01:57] "/dev/sda1" [01:58] and it does see the partitions there as well as it let me fdisk them away [01:59] any other suggestions that I can try prior to filing a bug? [02:02] well the fdisk didn't work as it is booting into windows just fine still! [02:02] so frustrated with this! [02:03] txDEF: are you using a live cd? [02:05] not sure of the definition of "live cd", but I burned the iso of the alt install that I downloaded from xubuntu's website [02:06] thanks for the help cody [02:06] txDEF: i've never used the alt install disc, but what happened when you tried using the standard install disc? [02:07] same [02:07] are you using dual boot? or 100% linux? [02:07] txDEF, Does it just say "Sorry, can't find any hard drives. Can't install."? [02:07] the existing hdd has a windows 2k install but I want to wipe it completely off [02:08] cody, it does say something like that [02:08] give me just a minute and I can get the message again [02:08] txDEF: how many harddrives do you have? just 1? [02:08] Hey how do i start a telnet daemon so people can telnet to me? [02:09] just one [02:09] txDEF: and from BIOS you chose boot order as cd first, then hd? [02:09] first it comes back saying activate serial ata raid devices [02:10] but there are no SATA devices and certainly no raid controller on this system [02:10] then fails step: detecting disk [02:10] txDEF: do you have a sata pci controller? [02:10] G-Bleezy, I recommend ssh over telnet :) [02:10] Mood, yes the bios is setup for cdrom, then hd [02:11] G-Bleezy, ssh is encrypted whereas telnet is plain text [02:11] G-Bleezy, to install ssh, install openssh-server [02:11] Mood, no it is just a plain MSI MS-6131 MB [02:11] from like 1998 [02:12] txDEF: so when you boot, there's something on the screen that pops up saying "activate serial ata raid devices"? [02:12] in the xubuntu install [02:13] not in the regular boot sequence [02:13] txDEF: your BIOS recognizes the HD as "MSI MS-6131 MB"? [02:14] sorry I meant the motherboard is from MSI the manufacture and the model is a MS-6131 [02:14] the hdd is an IBM ~13GB [02:14] the BIOS recognizes it just fine [02:15] txDEF: when you boot from xubuntu standard install live cd, you get a message saying "activate serial ata raid devices" before login prompt? [02:16] sorry again, that is from the alt install disk [02:16] txDEF: (yeah apologies here since i wasn't in the orig thread)... what did the standard install disc say when you booted? [02:17] when booting to the alt install disk it goes through the sequence up until the detect disk step [02:17] then it runs the detect disk and pops up with the following: [02:19] "one or more drives containing SERIAL ATA RAID configuration have been detected. Do you wish to activate these devices?" Active Serial ATA RAID devices? Yes No [02:19] if I do yes it immediately kicks to popup "installation step failed" [02:20] txDEF: and when you select "No"? [02:21] kicks back to the ubuntu main installer menu [02:22] txDEF: is there a setting in the BIOS to disable RAID? [02:22] and of course if I go to the next step partitioner, it does not see any drive space [02:22] no b/c there is no on board RAID or add in card [02:23] txDEF: i'm trying to help you isolate whether the RAID issue is w/ the mobo, HD, or other [02:23] Mood I really appreciate this by the way, I have got to be overlooking someting [02:24] There is no RAID on the mobo, there is only one HD that has no RAID controller built in, I really don't know why it is referencing RAID [02:24] txDEF: are you 100% certain there's no disable/enable RAID setting in the BIOS? (mobo) even if you don't have a RAID hooked up [02:24] there are no add in PCI/ISA/AGP/PCI-x/etc cards [02:25] give me a minute and I'll boot into it just to check [02:27] there was previously an hdd block mode that I have disabled but that did not make a change [02:28] there is an on-chip primary pci ide that is enabled [02:28] but no RAID [02:29] txDEF: what's your HD? ibm 13 gig, what model? do you know w/o opening up your machine? is it sata? [02:33] it is an IDE, IBM - DJNA-371350 [02:34] both recognized by the BIOS as such and just visually confirmed [02:34] appears to be an IDE/ATA drive, not SATA at all [02:35] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png [02:35] yeah that is why I am so frustrated by this [02:35] so the question is: why does xubuntu think you have RAID + SATA? hmm... let me think... [02:35] would it default to that if it does not find any regular ATA drives? [02:36] not sure... legacy ATA should be supported [02:36] you only get the RAID/SATA message only after you boot from live CD and initiate format->partition? [02:37] nope only when in the detecting disk step [02:37] detecting disk? how do you get there? through the "install ubuntu"? [02:38] yes [02:38] txDEF: what happens when you fdisk -l /dev/sd? [02:39] it sees [02:39] it fine [02:39] txDEF: paste.ubuntu.com [02:39] oh wait... i guess you can't copy+paste from a different machine :-P [02:40] lol [02:40] what's the line w/ the drive? [02:40] now that was funny [02:40] "/dev/sda1" [02:40] anything else? [02:40] just a sec [02:42] having to get back to that point [02:47] boot =* start =1 end =1122 blocks =9012433+ id =7 system =hpfs/ntfs [02:47] no other devices? [02:47] nope [02:47] i just got a sunbeamtech keyboard thats backlite it wont turn on and off with the scroll loc key it has a bunch of windows special keys on it anyone know how i can get it to work or if i cant at all ? [02:49] txDEF: can you cat /var/log/dmesg to see if you can see anything that fails, or anything w/ RAID or SATA? [02:50] no such directory [02:51] hey folks [02:51] n8 === JihadJack is now known as ZachFlem [02:52] is there a way to limit what starts up with the computer? [02:53] ie, my machine seems to be bogging down alot latly [02:53] *latley [02:55] well I am going back and trying the regular install disk, b/c I can not think of anything else [02:55] txDEF [02:55] what up? [02:55] cat /boot/grub/device.map [02:56] okay give me just a minute [03:00] txDEF: could be the way you wired your HD. are you using 1 cable master/slave for HD and CDROM? [03:06] one cable for hdd and an different one for the cdrom, hdd connecting to IDE1 on mobo and cdrom connecting to IDE2 on mobo [03:06] would that be an issue [03:07] ah, it's possible. use one cable [03:07] i think somehow the installer is thinking the 2 controllers are RAID [03:08] really? [03:08] it's a good possibility [03:08] txDEF: are you in a position where you can try to do it now? [03:09] give me a minute the regular install is getting to the detecting hdd part [03:10] ah ok [03:10] what the heck! [03:10] works? [03:10] now it is recognizing the hdd in the regular install [03:10] :-) [03:11] is there a way to wipe the entire hdd and only install xubuntu with the installer at this point? [03:11] isn't that the function of the xubuntu installer? [03:12] not sure... [03:12] txDEF: yes [03:12] txDEF: the installer has a choice for reformatting/partitionining [03:12] wasn't that what you were doing before? [03:14] yes, sorry, I meant it looked like the only choice was to install a dual boot option with the disk [03:14] txDEF: nope [03:14] but I made a different choice and it should use the entire hdd for the install now [03:14] txDEF: i'm glad it's working now. but even after you install, the real test would be upon reboot [03:15] right [03:15] I really appreciate your patience and assistance Mood [03:15] no worries man. good luck w/ xubuntu! [03:15] i love it [03:33] How can i list the last few packages installed on a machine?? [03:40] dpkg.log? [03:40] G-Bleezy [03:53] k [06:10] Hello... I installed xubuntu 8.10 the other day, and I'm trying to get the wireless network card working, but I'm finding that I don't have a Applications->System->Network icon. Does anyone know what the network manager application's program name is? (So I can try it using just Alt+F2...) [06:13] jkoltner, gnome-network-manager [06:13] Thanks, I'll try it in a moment here [06:13] jkoltner: it's NetworkManager Applet, upper right corner [06:14] jkoltner: but first you need to make sure your system recognizes the wifi card. use ndiswrapper for that [06:15] The Xfce desktop is a lot closer to Gnome than KDE, correct? [06:17] jkoltner: yes [06:18] KDE/Gnome/Xfce/etc. all pretty much agree on things like how icons get added to the applications menu though? [06:19] jkoltner: they are all x managers if that's what you mean [06:21] Actually what I meant was that, historically, if you were compiling a package from source code, even after you had the executable you had to do a desktop manager-specific step in order to get an icon to show up in, e.g., Applications->Multimedia or wherever, whereas now it seems that that step is common to all the popular desktop managers, so installing a package these days almost always picks up the appropriate application menu icon a [06:21] s well. [06:23] jkoltner: well, i only know that xfce shares some gnome dependencies [06:24] Cool, thanks [06:24] I seem to have really hosed up my installation... right before I asked you guys about gnome-network-manager, I uninstalled and reinstalled it via Synaptic, and now the Ethernet card doesn't get an IP address either. @#$@#% [06:25] (Whereas previously Ethernet was working fine...) [06:27] ifconfig [06:27] jkoltner: what's the issue? [06:27] ifconfig no longer shows an IP address, just many, many dropped packets :-) [06:28] I think the problem is that removing network manager removed eth0's entry from /etc/network/interfaces [06:28] I added back... "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces... hopefully that will fix it? [06:28] Hmm... how do I restart networking without rebooting? [06:29] sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [06:29] Thanks [06:30] Hmm... it's just spitting out some "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval..." messages [06:30] and now "no DHCPOFFERS received" [06:31] I'll try rebooting anyway... [06:31] try just putting the default /etc/network/interfaces entry [06:31] auto lo [06:31] iface lo inet loopback [06:31] then /etc/init.d/networking restart [06:32] ok, will do [06:37] With the added lines in interfaces, ifconfig added an "eth0:avahi" entry that apparently it eventually assigned IP 169.254.6.220 to, but the regular "eth0" entry still isn't getting an IP address [06:37] Return the interfaces file to its default and restarting networking hasn't helped, although there are no errors listed [06:37] (Just "reconfiguring network interfaces... [ok]") [06:38] IP 269.254.x.x is your router [06:38] 169* [06:38] Actually everything on my network here is 192.168.2.xx [06:38] "added lines"? it just have those two lines [06:39] I think the 169.254... range are "auto-configuration" IP addresses? I believe that's what Windows machines end up with as well these days if they don't get a DHCP IP assignment. [06:39] Yeah, I was just mentioning what it did with the added lines prior to removing them [06:39] I'm now back to the default /etc/network/interfaces as you suggested [06:39] 192.168.2.x should be the DHCP assigned IP addresses, which is fine. the 169.154.x.x means it's not communicating with the modem [06:39] Agreed, it just seems awfully odd that it was working just fine until I removed and then re-installed network manager [06:40] Hmm... I should probably try booting from a live CD, shouldn't I... [06:40] try restarting networking [06:40] what does it say in ifconfig? paste.ubuntu.com [06:40] sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart --> * Reconfiguring network interfaces... [OK] [06:40] no i mean ifconfig [06:41] ifconfig says "eth0 Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr xxxxx ... UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST .... Rx packets: 0 errors: 0 dropped : 4529483 ... TX packets: 0 errors: 0" [06:41] inet? [06:42] There's an "inet6 addr: xxxxx" line [06:42] is it 192.168.x.x? [06:42] actually, no, i meant does it show inet addr? (inet6 addr is different) [06:42] No, it's "inet6 addr: fe80::223:8bff .... (more numbers)" [06:43] There's no "inet addr: 192.168.2.xx" line like the PC I'm typing this on has [06:43] inet addr comes before [06:43] hmm.... [06:43] try sudo ifconfig eth0 down [06:43] then up [06:43] ok [06:44] No error messages, but no "inet addr:" line either [06:44] Lemme check dmesg quick.... [06:45] Just "r8169: eth0: link up" and "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" [06:46] hmm... [06:46] I think I'll try booting a live CD... [06:46] is your networkmanager up? [06:46] upper right [06:46] No, "sudo gnome-network-manager" just says "command not found" [06:47] can you reboot (instead of live cd) [06:47] Sure, will do [06:51] (getting around to re-booting, was slightly distracted) [06:52] It doesn't seem as though there's a whole lot of functionality missing from Xfce relative to Gnome -- that what's missing is largely eye candy [06:53] I re-booted... ifconfig still has the same output... a link line followed by an inet6 line, but no inet line [06:54] hmm.... [06:55] is our ethernet card being recognized in lspci? [06:56] Yeah, it's in there (as is the wireless card) [06:56] ahh [06:56] I'm trying a quick live CD boot now, just to make sure it's not the network [06:56] so it's wlan0 [06:56] not eth0 [06:57] Well, the only output from ifconfig was for eth0: and lo: (since I never did get that wireless card going yet!) [06:57] do you use ndiswrapper? [06:57] I was going to, but hadn't gotten that far [06:57] yeah so you need to use wired connection, install ndiswrapper, then try again [06:57] do you have the windows drivers? [06:58] Right, hence my dismay at discovering that I'd killed the Ethernet connection [06:58] ah, so you can't get ethernet connection either? [06:58] I believe I found them via Google... it's an Acer Aspire One netbook that I'm installing Xbuntu on here [06:58] Booting a live CD (well, memory stick, really) comes up with 192.168.2.105 for eth0 like it should [06:59] what about regular boot? [06:59] So I'm convinced that removing network manager via the GUI hosed some configuration file that I'm not educated enough to fix :-) [06:59] Last time it wasn't picking anything up... I can try one more time here for good measure... [07:00] (waiting for it to boot) [07:00] I'm feeling pretty confident there has to be another configuration file around that I need to fix [07:01] did you install network-manager-gnome via apt-get? or synaptic gui? [07:01] The GUI [07:02] hmm... maybe it is working here... a failsafe terminal session shows an IP address... let me get back into Xfce... [07:02] ps auxx|egrep -i nm [07:02] do you see nm-system-settings and nm-applet? [07:03] oooh, xfce is happy... lemme check Firefox... [07:03] Cool, it's all working again, although I'm not quite sure why [07:03] nice [07:04] The output of grep there does include nm-system-settings and nm-applet [07:04] ah, ok [07:04] I still don't have an Applications->System->Network manager icon though! [07:04] one of those may not have restarted before you rebooted [07:04] add new item. right click panel [07:05] But... if gnome-network-manager doesn't run from a terminal, it won't run from an icon either... [07:05] gnome-network-manager still says "command not found" [07:05] i don't think the process is called "gnome-network-manager" [07:05] Ah, ok [07:05] it's just a family of processes [07:05] So how do I make an icon for it without knowing the command name? :-) [07:06] if you right-click, panel should list all the avail items [07:06] ok, I'll try it here [07:09] nm-connection-manager is looking promising... [07:11] The menu editor (xfce4-menueditor) just has a line "---include--- system" that presumably pulls in Accessories/Games/Graphics/.../System ... how do I edit that system menu? [07:13] jkoltner: what're you trying to do? [07:13] Add nm-connection-manager to Applications->System [07:15] do you have network manager in your autostarted applications? [07:16] Checking.. [07:16] Yes, "network manager (network manager applet)" is checked [07:17] but it's still not showing up? [07:18] in your panel? [07:18] If I just right-click on the main panel and select "Add New Item" the closest there is to anything "networky" is "network monitor" (with a little mouse icon beside it) [07:18] Correct [07:18] hmm.. network monitor isn't the same thing... === Sinister` is now known as Sinister [07:19] Hmm... maybe I'm just not seeing it? Presumably it wouldn't be in the add new items dialog if it thought it was already on the panel somewherE? (I did play around with the layout and positioning on my app panel some...) [07:19] jkoltner: do you see something called Notification? [07:20] No... so apparently I inadvertently deleted some controls... hmm... I should try to find a screenshot of what it's supposed to look like... [07:21] On this screenshot here: http://www.zenco.net/img/xubuntu_8.10.png -- is network manager any of the icons shown? [07:22] Aha! [07:22] I think "System Tray" is the control I need [07:23] jkoltner: yes [07:23] jkoltner: show notification iconds :-) [07:23] icons* [07:24] Wow, hazards of re-arranging my menus... [07:27] OK, but the Xubuntu documentation still says (in the "Connecting to the Internet" section)... "Open Applications->Systems->Network" and I don't have such a menu item [07:27] Applications->System->Network i think is ubuntu [07:28] ok, a "documentation bug" then? [07:28] in xubuntu, it's under Applications->Settings->Settings Manager [07:29] And then what? There's not a Apps->Settings->Settings Manager->Network icon...? [07:30] jkoltner: there is no network icon in xubuntu [07:30] a consequence of streamlining i think [07:30] ok, it's just supposed to work? :-) [07:31] well, it works via autostarted apps and panel showing system notifications [07:31] Fair enough [07:31] but seriously though, xubuntu rocks [07:31] lean, mean, fighting machine. ubuntu feels bloated by comparison [07:31] I haven't been missing much from full-blown Gnome... seems pretty nice [07:32] yeah i've been using xubuntu for a while now... and i simply love it [07:33] I am surprised they didn't include gedit by default though :-) [07:34] jkoltner: there's a lot they didn't include as the base install... i actually prefer that. i end up not using most of what's avail through full blown ubuntu... even some apps on xubuntu [07:34] Yeah, it is amazing that a regular Ubuntu install has hundreds of commands that most people probably never use [07:34] i prefer xemacs as my standard text editor :-) [07:36] I never used emacs during my "formative" years (it was all vi back then), and these days I have to use so many IDEs that I've pretty much given up trying to choose an editor and then try to get all the IDEs to have reasonable emulations of that favorite editor [07:37] (about to work on getting wireless working again...) [07:37] jkoltner: so your ethernet connection works now, right? [07:38] Yes, it certainly does [07:38] ok, so now ndiswrapper [07:38] you have windoz drivers you said, right? [07:38] I was planning on following this guide? --> http://bad.ilink.lv/2008/07/guide-how-to-install-xubintu-on-acer-aspire-one/ [07:38]