[00:13] <a|wen> Riddell / ryanakca / ScottK: an extra "to" was left after editing in the first sentence in the congratulations debian message, that we might want to delete... just for readability
[00:13] <ScottK> Oops.
[00:13]  * ScottK looks at ryanakca to fixor.
[00:13] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks for writing it and for noticing.
[00:14] <a|wen> of course :)
[00:23] <ScottK> \o/ kde4libs actually built.
[00:23] <ScottK> on hppa
[00:23] <dtchen> woo!
[00:24] <ScottK> dtchen: How much "bend over, here it comes Kubuntu" should I read into your PA mail to devel-discuss?
[00:28] <dtchen> ScottK: none unless i'm misreading the kubuntu-meta seed
[00:28] <dtchen> ScottK: i.e., kubuntu-desktop doesn't appear to seed pulseaudio
[00:29] <dtchen> the autospawn heads-up really only affects people who explicitly install pulseaudio into [KX]ubuntu
[00:29] <ScottK> dtchen: OK.  Does PA get pulled in as a depends of certain packages or is it just infrastructure?
[00:29] <dtchen> (or Mythbuntu)
[00:29] <ScottK> OK.
[00:29] <ScottK> Glad to hear it.
[00:29] <dtchen> e.g., i installed kubuntu-desktop on top of Ubuntu, so i'm responsible for breakage ;)
[00:30] <ScottK> I don't think Ubuntu has broken Kubuntu yet this cycle, so their behind on their quota.
[00:30] <dtchen> a clean kubuntu-desktop install or distribution upgrade wouldn't have PA pulled in
[00:30]  * ScottK nods
[00:55] <ryanakca> a|wen, ScottK: fixed, thanks
[00:56] <a|wen> thx ryanakca
[00:57] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: We have an lpia optimized cd image that needs testing on atom too....
[00:57] <Tscheesy_> hmm..
[00:58] <ScottK> rgreening (who's not here right now) has one too, but hasn't gotten around to trying it yet.
[00:59] <Tscheesy_> a live is no prob.. in Jaunty the wlan is broken anyway atm
[01:00] <Tscheesy_> atheros ^^
[01:00] <ghostcube> btw is the bluetooth audio management still buggy in jaunty or is this fixed :)
[01:00] <ghostcube> better will it be fixec ?
[01:00] <Tscheesy_> the encryption is not working here
[01:01] <Tscheesy_> or - gnome keypairing is still my workaround
[01:01] <ScottK> bluetooth is up to not totally broken.  Seems to work for some and not others.
[01:01] <ScottK> We could use some good solid bug reporting to send upstream so it gets fixed in 4.2.1.
[01:01] <ghostcube> ScottK, on intrepid it isnt working now for a friends headset :) so i thought it will be fixed in jaunty for all
[01:02] <ScottK> ghostcube: Did he update to 4.1.4?
[01:02] <ghostcube> i can test and file reports if iam back on this machine
[01:02] <ghostcube> ScottK, 4.2
[01:02] <ghostcube> finakl
[01:02] <ghostcube> the dongle works the pairing not
[01:02] <ScottK> The 4.2 in the PPA has the same bluetooth patches as Jaunty.
[01:02] <ghostcube> its found but it doesnt pair
[01:02] <ScottK> So it should be the same.
[01:03] <ghostcube> hmm ok so its not working :|
[01:03] <ghostcube> i will check if i find any usefull bugreports for the tracker if iam back at his machine
[01:08] <vorian> ScottK: i believe kdebindings should build
[01:08] <vorian> it failed on soproano, which finished building about 4 hours after kdebase failed
[01:08] <vorian> kdebindings, rather
[01:08] <ScottK> vorian: So you think it was transient?
[01:09] <vorian> that would be my opinion
[01:12] <ScottK> OK.  I'll try it again.  Thanks.
[01:12] <ScottK> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph is updated based stuff I learned from all my retries.
[01:13] <vorian> hmm
[01:13] <vorian> if you have multiple tabs open in konsole, then close one, you lose the ability to cut/paste
[01:14] <ScottK> The big change is kdeedu moved to the depends on kdebindings set with the python marble bindings getting added.
[01:14] <vorian> ah, yes
[01:41] <vorian> new kubuntu-artwork-upsplash eh?
[01:59] <ScottK> seele: New quassel in my PPA.  It has a first startup wizard and lots more icons now.
[02:02] <seele> ScottK: kk i'll check it out
[02:04]  * ScottK just noticed he made the Quassel contributors tab.
[02:04] <vorian> woo hoooo
[02:05] <ScottK> seele: You're in there too.
[02:06] <nhandler> Congrats scottk and seele
[02:07] <seele> hah wow. i dont think anyone has added me to their app credits before
[02:07] <seele> oh wow, that first time wizard is pretty nice
[02:08] <Tscheesy_> btw quassel intrepid has a bad memory leak - at least here atm
[02:10] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: Which version are you using?
[02:11] <Tscheesy_> kde4.2 on intrepid - v3.1 is in the app-info but i think it's 0.4
[02:11] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: Where did you install it from?
[02:12] <ScottK> If you installed it from intrepid-backports it's really 0.3.1.  The only place to get it pre-built for Intrepid that I know of is my PPA.
[02:12]  * vorian gives quassel another spin
[02:12] <Tscheesy_>  *** 0.3.1+git20081219-0ubuntu0~ppa2 0
[02:13] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: Looks like a very old snapshot from my ppa.
[02:13] <ScottK> Or someone else's actually
[02:13] <ScottK> I doubt I'd have used that version number.
[02:13] <Tscheesy_> ok :( need an update here
[02:13] <ScottK> See https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa
[02:14] <Tscheesy_> thanks
[02:14] <ScottK> That's got a package for Intrepid that's current with their git head.
[02:44] <Tscheesy_> ScottK: i will try tomorrow.. atm apt-cache doesn't find quassel in this ppa
[02:44] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: Make sure you put the intrepid sources.list line in and not the jaunty one.
[02:46] <Tscheesy_> yes -ups an /n missing
[02:48] <Tscheesy_> ah - thks.. misstypings..
[03:35] <ScottK> vorian: kdebinginds got past where it failed, so if it makes it to the end or not, you were right about that.
[04:24] <silleme> desperate for assist with mounting of paritions for kubuntu...
[04:25] <silleme> have dual boot (xp/kubuntu) w all win partitions formatted to fat32
[04:26] <silleme> pls..pls..help...have 3 partitions that i need to set to mount at startup...
[04:26] <silleme> oops... wrong channel, eh?
[05:01] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[05:02] <ScottK> pong rgreening
[05:02] <rgreening> hey ScottK
[05:02] <ScottK> o/
[05:02] <rgreening> Have you looked at the gnome packagekit compared to the kde one?
[05:02] <rgreening> the gnome one is no where near where ours is :)
[05:03] <ScottK> Nope.  I've just been looking at it FtBFS on armel and ia64.
[05:03] <ScottK> Great/
[05:03] <rgreening> :)
[05:03] <rgreening> THe gnome users are going to miss synaptic
[05:04] <rgreening> the KDE users will adapt easy enough...
[05:04] <ScottK> Well I think neither is a sufficiently secure design I would recommend using them.
[05:04] <ScottK> It's not hard to suck less than Adept.
[05:04] <rgreening> lol
[05:05] <rgreening> 2 issues remain : 1) get Application list rather than all packages and 2) debconf support
[05:05] <rgreening> I have 1)... not sure where 2) is
[05:05] <ScottK> I'm serious though.  Stuff like DNS cache poisoning attacks get discovered after the fact.  I don't think installing unsigned packages is appropriate.
[05:05] <ScottK> I think debconf support is important too and a significant regression from Adept.
[05:06] <ScottK> Making assumptions about conffiile changes and not asking the user is so very Xandros IMO.
[05:06] <rgreening> ScottK: do you think we could get a FFE to add it?
[05:06] <ScottK> Add which?
[05:06] <rgreening> the debconf support
[05:06] <rgreening> I think I could tackle it after Iget the other piece done
[05:07] <ScottK> My position would it's a bug because it's a regression from Intrepid.
[05:07] <rgreening> but not before FF
[05:07] <rgreening> so yes then
[05:07] <ScottK> But it's an Ubuntu Release issue, not a MOTU Release issue.
[05:07] <ScottK> My opinion doesn't really weigh in.
[05:07] <rgreening> lol
[05:07] <ScottK> If it were me I'd call it bug fix and not even ask.
[05:08] <rgreening> ScottK: sounds like a plan to me
[05:08] <ScottK> As long as you don't mess up and cause a stink if anyone asks there is an appropriate rationale.
[05:08] <rgreening> sure thing
[05:24] <ScottK> All the Main stuff worth retrying is queued up now for ia64.
[05:24] <ScottK> vorian was right.  kdebindings built fine on the 2nd try.
[05:26] <rgreening> heh
[07:45] <lool> a|wen: I could create such an install if needs be, but if you know how to reproduce, I'd rather have you comment on the bug than me setting up an environment :)
[08:34] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK: can somebody get digikam/kipi-plugins from digikam-exp PPA and upload to Jaunty?
[08:34] <Lure> it just require version change and upload (remove ~jaunty~ppaX)
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Edigikam-experimental/+archive/ppa/+files/digikam_0.10.0~rc2-0ubuntu1~jaunty~ppa1.dsc
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Edigikam-experimental/+archive/ppa/+files/kipi-plugins_0.2.0~rc2-0ubuntu1~jaunty~ppa1.dsc
[09:14] <a|wen> lool: i've tried to reproduce it, but haven't succeeded yet ... i can't get pulseaudio to run, which is the first part of trying to get anything useful out of it
[09:14] <lool> Right, neither can I reproduce
[09:16] <a|wen> lool: but you've got pulseaudio to run under localized environment right?
[09:20] <lool> a|wen: No, I didn't use pulseaudio
[09:22] <a|wen> lool: oh, as far as i could read, the problem would only occur when xine used pulseaudio... and not getting that to run (properly) was largely my fail at confirming :/
[09:22] <lool> I didn't see hints at pulseaudio
[09:22] <lool> I'd welcome a set of steps to reproduce the bgus
[09:24] <a|wen> lool: get pulseaudio to run; install the old libxine* and old lang-packs; run eg. amarok and in options set xine to use pulseaudio
[09:26] <a|wen> no guarantees, but that should be the steps, as far as i can read the bug ... at least that was the steps i was trying to go for
[09:42] <Lure> do we have any quassel-core serving facility for kubuntu-devel? that would be cool for my shitty irc connection at work... ;-)
[09:42] <Lure> or did anybody port quassel-core to OpenWRT - that way I could install it on my home router...
[09:44] <lool> a|wen: But that didn't work for you?
[09:46] <a|wen> lool: i never got pulseaudio to run properly (getting hold of my sound device)
[10:00] <Sput> seele: well, your review and feedback helped a lot to improve quassel, so you certainly earned your spot in the contributors list :)
[10:38] <Riddell> Lure: kipi-plugins uploaded
[10:51] <Riddell> Lure: digikam too, thanks for those
[11:14] <Lure> Riddell: thank you
[11:14] <Lure> Riddell: will now work on merging with debian as they have open their repos
[11:15] <Lure> but it as a bit of mess currently due to pkg-kde-tools vs. kde4.mk differences
[12:36] <a|wen> ScottK: you've got your xine-lib update through it seems
[12:41] <a|wen> lool: no need to bother testing now; but thanks for giving it a try ^^
[13:06] <lool> a|wen: I'm still interested in testing of the langpacks
[13:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: the soprano update doesn't seem to have fixed the nepomuk crash :(
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: :(
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> Trueg doesn't seem keen on fixing it either.
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, it was closed downstream by us upstream
[13:40]  * JontheEchidna tries to wrap his head around that.
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: fancy you could take a look at bug 296433?
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> brb
[13:45] <rgreening> Kmail still seems to periodically forget settings on upgrading
[14:04] <Tscheesy> ScottK: is there a chance for a "daily" lpia-desktop.iso build? atm - there's only the alternate available (because netbooks need Stick or Netinstall i'd would be nice)
[14:15] <ScottK> Tscheesy: Would the live cd be useful?
[14:16] <Tscheesy> ScottK: for building a Stick definitly
[14:16] <ScottK> OK, I'm not so familiar with this process.  I thought when they did the alternate, I was told that would be easier.
[14:19] <Tscheesy> all the HowTo's in the net consider a Live-Iso (Desktop).. i'd have to serch fo r a solution with the alternate.. and.. i don't really wan't to install on my Atom - i'd only like to have the LiveSystem
[14:23] <rgreening> ScottK: what bould be nice would be a usb image that one could dd onto a stick for installing on the atom :)
[14:23] <rgreening> or runing live :P
[14:24] <ScottK> OK.
[14:24] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Seems like a reasonable request.
[14:25] <rgreening> seele: ping
[14:25] <jussi01> rgreening: ++
[14:25] <rgreening> \o/
[14:26] <ScottK> rgreening and Tscheesy: I've asked for it.  We'll see.
[14:26] <Riddell> ScottK: seems reasonable, slangasek would be the guy to ask to make it happen
[14:26] <Tscheesy> ScottK: many thanks..
[14:27] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I just asked him.
[14:29] <rgreening> Riddell: are we decided yet on removing gdebi-kde?
[14:30] <rgreening> Riddell: also, when we remove adept, there are dep issues on software-properties-kde to adjust to allow removal of adept.
[14:30] <rgreening> And I still have to patch software-properties-kde to hide/remove the updates tab for better integration with kpackagekit.
[14:32] <Riddell> rgreening: do we have the mimetype association yet for kpackagekit with .debs ?
[14:32] <Riddell> rgreening: dep issues?
[14:32] <rgreening> Riddell: yep. Tonio ensured it works
[14:32] <rgreening> Riddell: software-properties-kde deps on adept (iirc)
[14:33] <rgreening> sry.. update-notifier-kde
[14:33] <rgreening> wrong package ...
[14:33] <rgreening> nevermind, my bad
[14:34] <rgreening> however, if you remove adept, it will remove update-notifier-kde which is bad
[14:34] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[14:35] <Riddell> oh I see, I'll fix that
[14:35] <Riddell> bzr commit -m "remove network-manager-kde, hplip-gui, gdebi-kde.  now using plasma n-m, system-config-printer-kde and kpackagekit"
[14:35] <Riddell> cherreo network-manager-kde, hplip-gui, gdebi-kde
[14:36] <a|wen> JontheEchidna / Riddell: regarding ktorrent ... debian is renaming to plasma-widget-ktorrent
[14:38] <rgreening> ktorrent widget :) yum
[14:38] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: it is in NEW right now it seems http://alioth.debian.org/~modax-guest/incoming/ktorrent_3.2+dfsg.1-2.dsc
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> noooo
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> they always update it so fast
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> now I gotta re-merge :(
[14:40] <a|wen> :P
[14:40] <ScottK> It'd make sense to go ahead with a parallel change here as Debian New is pretty slow atm.
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> currently my merge is using 3.2rc1+svnsomething
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> It would make sense to redo the merge if they have 3.2 final
[14:41] <a|wen> at least to get the "right" package name from the beginning; makes it easier later
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that too
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> hum
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> our plasma-widget-weather is a totally different widget than debian's
[14:42] <ScottK> Oops
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> ours is the original kde-look weather plasmoid, while debian's is the proper upstream extragear one
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> I'd have no qualms nuking the kde-look one out of existence, though
[14:44] <ScottK> Sounds like ours needs to go.
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> yes, it's inferior anyways
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> So would I file a request for removal and then make a new package based off the debian one?
[14:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  Just update it.
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok
[14:48] <ScottK> Ours doesn't have a higher version number does it?
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> fortunately, no
[14:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: I got an email from a guy who wrote a review on 9.04 (Alpha), saying that if we were interested, we could link to it from our Reviews page. Only thing I'm iffy about is his paragraph at the end discussing the links between Linux and Anarchism, I'm err more on keeping Kubuntu away from politics... but we do have a blurb saying we aren't responsible for the content of external sites... What do you think? ...
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> that is to say it has a lower version number
[14:49] <ryanakca> ... http://anarchismtoday.org/News/article/sid=138.html
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> Ours is 0.4, upstream's is 1.0.0
[14:50] <ScottK> Excellent
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> One weather widget merge sandwhich, coming right up
[14:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: that guy really needs to learn about ksnapshot :)
[14:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: that's fine to link to (and free software is actually a pretty accurate example of anarchism in practice)
[14:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ok, I'll stick a link in :)
[14:54] <rgreening> Read an article that Cuba is switchinh to a Linux base. Rolled their own distro called Nova iirc.
[14:54] <ScottK> Amazingly enough I've got kde4libs and kdepimlibs built on hppa.
[14:55] <ScottK> rgreening: So there's one case where people can grumble about Linux using Communists and be correct.
[14:55] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:55] <rgreening> ScottK: when does FF kick in? end of day Feb 19th? UTC?
[14:55] <rgreening> lol
[14:55] <ScottK> It's somewhat indeterminate.
[14:57] <rgreening> ScottK: so, what's my deadline for the Simple Add/Remove for KpackageKit, such that I won't need a FFE
[14:58] <davmor2> Riddell: Do you have to have the battery meter on the panel?  I know it's useful for lappy's but a battery with a big red x through it just looks broken
[14:58] <rgreening> davmor2: ++
[14:58] <ScottK> rgreening: The 19th, the earlier the better, but I'd ask Riddell.
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> Debian has plasma-widget-networkmanagement, we have plasma-widget-network-manager
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> well, in New
[15:02] <Riddell> davmor2: doesn't everyone use laptops these days? :PO)
[15:02] <davmor2> rgreening: I think it looks worse when it is beside n-m with a tick :)
[15:02] <Riddell> interesting smiley my keyboard just produced
[15:02] <Riddell> davmor2: but yes, that should be fixed
[15:03]  * davmor2 ponders taking a screenshot to prove it isn't :P
[15:10] <Riddell> rgreening: I can't get konqueror to show the flash installer on a fresh install from today
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it doesn't work on sites like youtube or cnn
[15:11] <Riddell> where does it work?
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> since they do their own checks and don't try to embed flash
[15:11] <rgreening> Riddell: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com try that
[15:11] <Riddell> rgreening: nothing popping up
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> hmm, worked for me during my testing
[15:12] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... it should. yeah...
[15:12] <rgreening> Let me try...
[15:13] <jussi01> no worky here either
[15:13] <Riddell> looks like it hasn't been uploaded
[15:13] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase
[15:13] <Riddell> no mention there
[15:13] <rgreening> oh
[15:13] <rgreening> lol
[15:13] <rgreening> where's it too?
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's in kde4libs
[15:14] <Riddell> mm, I have the latest kde4libs
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> even without the patch something should pop up on badgerbadgerbadger
[15:15] <rgreening> works here
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> it just wouldn't be nicely integrated
[15:16] <rgreening> Yep
[15:17] <rgreening> I purged flashplugin-nonfree. refreshed plugins ot ensure it was gone. then killall konqueror  and load it up. works
[15:17] <Riddell> davmor2: are you still in a kubuntu live CD session?
[15:17] <rgreening> Riddell, JontheEchidna: actually I get the old one... not my new one...
[15:17] <davmor2> Riddell: Yes
[15:18] <rgreening> Riddell, JontheEchidna: looks like the one with the patch isn't uploaded or maybe the patch wasn't applied...
[15:18] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: can you investigate?
[15:18] <davmor2> Riddell: Why
[15:18] <Riddell> davmor2: can you see what happens when you look at http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com in konqueror ?
[15:19] <smarter> If you can't see badgers, then it's a major regression :P
[15:19] <Riddell> davmor2: also I take it the network manager plasmoid is working?
[15:19] <smarter> Kubuntu should be more badger-friendly really
[15:19] <davmor2> Riddell: missing plugin do you want to download
[15:20] <Riddell> davmor2: what happens when you click that you do want to download
[15:21] <davmor2> Riddell: Requested packages are already installed
[15:21] <Riddell> err, huh?
[15:23] <davmor2> Riddell: thats my point. with n-m having a tick it's working with battery having a x it isn't.  More frustratingly if you hover over it (the battery icon) it gives you no feedback, no title etc so then you really think that it is broken
[15:31] <rgreening> Riddell: if one installs flashplugin-nonfree and fails to restart konqueror, that will happen
[15:32] <rgreening> the engine doesn';t know about the plugin until complete konq restart
[15:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: trueg is on #kde-devel if you want to ask how k3b is doing
[15:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: unfortunatelly I'm in a meeting.... no time right now...
[15:37] <Tonio_> can someone get the info for me please ?
[15:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[15:44] <markey> hey guys
[15:45]  * markey trying to make his first ubuntu package
[15:45] <markey> got some instructions from apachelogger
[15:45] <markey> it says:
[15:45] <davmor2> Riddell: anything else I can help you with before I start an install?
[15:45] <markey> "Copy debian/ directory to source"
[15:45] <DaSkreech> blame nixternal?
[15:45] <markey> where is this debian/ dir?
[15:45] <DaSkreech> In Debian I would assume :)
[15:45] <markey> uhm
[15:45] <Riddell> davmor2: no thanks
[15:45] <markey> elaborate?
[15:46] <Riddell> markey: the debian/ directory contains the packaging, you either get it from an existing package or your use dh-make to make you a template
[15:46] <markey> Riddell: I got a DEBIAN/ in an existing package
[15:46] <markey> is it the same?
[15:46] <Riddell> markey: that sounds like a binary package
[15:46] <markey> yes
[15:47] <markey> ok, then I probably need this dh-make
[15:47] <Riddell> markey: is this something which has been packaged before?
[15:47] <markey> Riddell: apachelogger has made one package for me, and then sent me instructions how to do it myself
[15:47] <markey> now he's away though
[15:47] <Riddell> markey: you want to get his old source packaging then
[15:48] <markey> don't have that, hum
[15:48] <markey> just the binary one
[15:48] <Riddell> which should be a .orig.tar.gz  .diff.gz and .dsc  file
[15:48] <markey> hmm
[15:48] <nixternal> DaSkreech: pong?
[15:48] <DaSkreech> nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvGfsROHGcM
[15:48] <Riddell> markey: if you don't have that then you need to start from scratch with dh_make indeed (or e-mail apachelogger)
[15:48] <DaSkreech> Bookmark it for later if yo ucan't play it in the background now
[15:48] <markey> ok
[15:50] <Nightrose> markey: you can also take one from an existing amarok package in the repo depending on which costumizations apachelogger made for you
[15:51] <markey> hmm
[15:51] <markey> Nightrose: can you point me to that?
[15:51] <markey> he also sent me a "pbuilderrc-aw"
[15:52] <Nightrose> markey: apt-get source amarok-kde4 iirc
[15:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/m77a735d
[15:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably no need to ask for k3b : he's back for polishing...
[15:58] <Tonio_> 30 commits just for today...
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> yay!
[15:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not strueg, but at least someone looks decided to make it to work...
[15:59] <Riddell> boiko, never heard of him, nice that trueg has some help though
[16:01] <Mamarok> markey: this repo: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[16:01] <markey> thx
[16:01] <rgreening> seele: ping-pong-paddle
[16:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: trueg also commited a bit today, so they probably work together...
[16:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll take care about the packaging too, since I have to split out the libs and so on... but not in the next 2 days.... (too busy)
[16:03] <rgreening> seele: I need to make adjustments to the text for Kpackagekit for "Software Management" for the simple Add/Remove Applications. Should it be called "Applications Management" or "Add/Remove Applications"? or something else? and should we then leave Software Management as meaning All packages (I think we should).
[16:04] <rgreening> seele: It would help too if we used strings which already exist in translations (where possible).
[16:04] <a|wen> Riddell: do we know anything about status of kile? ... if we should count on a kde4 version (svn?) or stick with the kde3 one
[16:04] <Mamarok> markey: there seems not to be any source :(
[16:04] <Mamarok> I always thought that a ppa must also have the sources
[16:04] <smarter> Nightrose: w00t, I still missed colord nicks in quassel from konversation :p
[16:05] <Nightrose> smarter: :) it is in ScottK's latest package
[16:05] <Mamarok> Nightrose: funny, no sources in that repo, with deb-src avctivated... that is not really funny
[16:05] <DaSkreech> Who maintains the simple add/remove Applications for kpackagekit?
[16:05]  * smarter upgrades :)
[16:06] <DaSkreech> a|wen: I thought the aim was no KDE3 for Jackalope ?
[16:06] <Nightrose> Mamarok: hmm dunno then
[16:06] <Riddell> a|wen: I don't even know what kile does :)
[16:06] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it doesn't exist yet, rgreening is writing it
[16:06] <a|wen> DaSkreech: no kde3 on the cd at least, as far as i am aware
[16:06] <Nightrose> Riddell: latex editor
[16:06] <a|wen> Riddell: latex environment for KDE
[16:07] <Riddell> markey,  Mamarok: dget http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok-kde4/amarok-kde4_2.0.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[16:07] <rgreening> DaSkreech: I have a patch. Nearing completion as we speak...
[16:07] <markey> thx Riddell :)
[16:07] <markey> great
[16:07] <DaSkreech> :-D
[16:08] <a|wen> Riddell: in any case, if we don't go the kde4 way, we need to make the current package actually build...
[16:09] <a|wen> but wouldn't spend time look at it if we had other plans
[16:12] <davmor2> Riddell: Flash works on the installed system
[16:12] <davmor2> Riddell: Asks for password and starts download at least :)
[16:12] <Riddell> davmor2: you had to install it first presumably?
[16:12] <Riddell> right, good
[16:13] <Riddell> a|wen: have you looked at the kde 4 version?
[16:14] <a|wen> Riddell: no ... i though i remembered someone testing the kde4 version, but might just be a trick of my mind
[16:15] <davmor2> Riddell: There is however an issue once it has installed that it keeps asking you to install it then says the package is already installed so something isn't quite right with it :(
[16:16] <rgreening> davmor2: you need to kill all konq or reboot
[16:16] <rgreening> cause kdelibs doesn't realize its there yet (stupid preload of konq)
[16:16] <Riddell> does it tell the user that?
[16:16] <davmor2> rgreening: That's daft
[16:16] <rgreening> Riddell: no, its a issue with kdelibs and konq
[16:16] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Plenty of KDE3 in the archive, just trying to get it off the CD.
[16:16] <Sput> ScottK: did getting the username correctly work for you with the latest build?
[16:16] <davmor2> Riddell: No
[16:17] <DaSkreech> ok thanks  for the clarification
[16:17] <rgreening> Riddell: this happens regardless of this patch
[16:17] <ScottK> Sput: No.
[16:17] <Sput> oh. that's bad news.
[16:17]  * davmor2 restarting
[16:17]  * ScottK meant to mention that.
[16:17] <Sput> getpwuid is supposed to work everywhere
[16:17] <davmor2> Riddell: Panel is still short and nepusmuk (whatever it's call) is still playing up
[16:17] <Sput> your package did contain my supposed fix, right?
[16:18] <ScottK> Sput: It's a snapshot from last night, so yes.
[16:18] <Mamarok> Riddell: we actually need the debian source package, not the tarball
[16:19] <Mamarok> we have the tarball, as we actually make it :)
[16:19]  * Mamarok checks apacheloggers ppa
[16:20] <markey> yep
[16:20] <davmor2> Riddell: after reboot flash now works
[16:20] <markey> what I'd need is the debian source package
[16:20] <Sput> ScottK: hmm. I'd like to know if this is a local anomaly or a common problem. so far it is one machine failing, right? I can't believe the information getpwuid should get from your /etc/passwd contains your real name, but not your user name
[16:20] <markey> containing the debian/ dir
[16:20] <markey> which isn't in the tarball, of course
[16:20] <Sput> now that would be 2 out of 3 ways of POSIX syscalls failing on that box
[16:20] <rgreening> there's an issue on non-standard display sizes in kdm greet. Doesn't expand full width on my Atom and my new Aspire 6930. Both have odd widescreen resolutions.
[16:21] <ScottK> Sput: I guess from here we just see how many quasselnnn show up in #kubuntu
[16:21] <Sput> yeah... if it's many, we can still provide a bugfix, or try at least
[16:21] <Sput> as for now, I'm clueless
[16:22] <Sput> getlogin() is supposed to work, but according to POSIX, it might still fail sometimes... getpwuid()->pw_name should be failsafe
[16:23] <Sput> and the fact that your real name is found (via getpwuid too), tells me that we get a pwd structure with no user name set, which sounds effed up
[16:23] <rgreening> ScottK, Sput: could we not have the user prompted on first run to enter a new/valid nick, rather than defaulting to quasselxxx
[16:23] <Tscheesy> rgreening: ack - in the KDM-Theme the 100% scale setting is no good - but found a debbdiff in the net Months ago
[16:23] <Sput> rgreening: we have a shiny wizard now that prompts you and allows you to edit your nickname if it's wrong
[16:23] <ScottK> rgreening: There is a first  run wizard now, so I think this is less of a problem
[16:23] <Sput> in 99% of all cases it should be your user name
[16:24] <Sput> (automatically)
[16:24] <rgreening> ScottK: Sput: cook
[16:24] <EgS> cock? oO
[16:24] <Sput> language!
[16:24] <rgreening> Tscheesy: so, is there a fix? I get screen corruption in the non expanded areas...
[16:24] <Riddell> markey,  Mamarok: dget http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok-kde4/amarok-kde4_2.0.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[16:24] <Riddell> markey,  Mamarok: that will get the three files which make up the source packaging
[16:25] <Sput> EgS: don't mention birds in here!
[16:25] <rgreening> <Sput: line wrap in the chat window is broken too
[16:25] <Sput> rgreening: with certain fonts, confirmed Qt bug
[16:25] <rgreening> Sput: words aren't wrapped on word boundaries
[16:25] <Tscheesy> rgreening: same here - yes there's a fix - saw longtime ago - don't know who did it
[16:25] <Sput> no ETA for a fix though last time I checked :(
[16:25] <rgreening> Sput: ok
[16:25] <Sput> rgreening: it usually works with fixed fonts
[16:25] <rgreening> Tscheesy: can you see if you can track? we need to get it in
[16:26] <Sput> (except for the Qt engineer handling my bug, he reproduced with fixed fonts while proportional fonts worked for him)
[16:26]  * Tscheesy means to remember apachelogger did a patch for KDM-Theme Oxygene ??
[16:27]  * jussi01 is sad apachelogger is gone...
[16:27] <Riddell> it is sad indeed
[16:27] <Riddell> we should send him a "don't forget us" card
[16:27] <Sput> he'll be back!
[16:28] <Sput> I know them austrians!
[16:28] <jussi01> Riddell: +++
[16:28] <Sput> rgreening: dejavu mono or monospace tend to work for me
[16:29] <ScottK> Riddell and Tonio_: We'll probably need to figure out about doing package reviews for 4.2.1 since the dear departed apachelogger had been doing most of those.
[16:29] <jussi01> when are we going to get bug 329466 fixed? /me is really sad about that one...
[16:30] <ScottK> jussi01: That one needs to get sent to b.k.o.
[16:31] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm not quite sure how he did a review
[16:31] <Riddell> folks, I found a card to post him, anyone want me to add a message from them?
[16:31] <jussi01> ScottK: How do I do that? manually go and report it? or is there some automated way?
[16:32] <jussi01> Riddell: me.
[16:32] <ScottK> jussi01: Manually report it. Ask JontheEchidna if you have questions as he's the upstreaming maestro.
[16:32] <jussi01> Riddell: tell him we miss him and he better be back :)
[16:32] <ScottK> Riddell: All I know is that when it came time to upload there was a stack of source packages he'd signed.
[16:32] <jussi01> ScottK: ok, Ill bother JontheEchidna then
[16:33]  * jussi01 has no idea on how/where etc
[16:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I expect it'll go something like vorian coordinates the ninja work in the p3a and then pings us when a package is ready for review.
[16:33] <Riddell> anyone else got a message for apachelogger?
[16:34] <ScottK> Riddell: How about "Thanks for the DependencyGraph and instructions on how to update it.  It was a snap."
[16:36] <Riddell> ScottK: very heartfelt :)
[16:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Well I figure he gets lots of "we miss you".  I'll be different.
[16:38] <Riddell> rgreening, JontheEchidna, seele: quick, think up a message for apachelogger
[16:38] <Tscheesy> rgreening: can't track it down anymore - but found a bugreport Upstreams
[16:38] <Tscheesy> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169772
[16:39] <rgreening> Riddell: I miss all the late night arguments... come back soon :)
[16:40] <rgreening> Riddell: It's true too.. I really miss them :)
[16:40] <Mamarok> markey: you need this one: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/ppa/+files/amarok-kde4_2.0.1.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1.diff.gz
[16:40] <markey> thx :)
[16:40] <smarter_> "nobody understand your ruby scripts, we need you to come and fix them" :P
[16:40] <markey> finally...
[16:40] <nhandler> Riddell: "Apachelogger, I hope you are enjoying your new job. Now come on back to your old job of being a Kubuntu Ninja ;)"
[16:42] <Mamarok> no, that doesn't work neither
[16:42] <markey> man, that apachelogger is totally offline sucks _royally_
[16:42] <markey> I mean, not his fault
[16:43] <markey> but sucks anyway :)
[16:43] <markey> why did he chose this stupid job
[16:43] <markey> :p
[16:43] <markey> I might phone him tonight
[16:43] <markey> does he even have a phone now? :)
[16:43] <markey> prolly living in some jungle
[16:44] <Riddell> markey: dget http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok-kde4/amarok-kde4_2.0.1.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[16:44] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[16:44] <markey> thx
[16:44] <markey> ok
[16:45] <Sput> is it a job? I thought he had to do civilian duty
[16:45] <markey> yeah, civil service
[16:45] <nhandler> Sput: Nope, he got a new job
[16:45] <markey> in a gereatric institution, afaik
[16:45] <markey> much like I did
[16:45] <Sput> yeah, that's what I meant
[16:46] <Sput> instead of going to the army
[16:46] <markey> but somehow he seems to be totally cut off from life now
[16:46] <nhandler> Sput: http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/02/i-am-disappearing.html
[16:46] <Riddell> that's not the civil service :)
[16:46] <markey> like, at the end of the world, siberia or so
[16:46] <Riddell> that's civilian duty indeed
[16:46] <Riddell> civil service means anyone working for the government
[16:46] <markey> gotta say I loved the time back then, was working in an old-people's home
[16:46] <markey> learned a lot about medicine and such
[16:47] <markey> ah
[16:47]  * Sput was at a youth hostel
[16:47] <markey> sounds good too
[16:47] <markey> better than army at any rate :)
[16:48] <Riddell> I'm glad I don't live in a country with national service
[16:51] <rgreening> mvo: ping
[16:53] <Riddell> rgreening: wrong channel
[16:53] <rgreening> lol
[16:53] <rgreening> oops
[17:01] <ScottK> Riddell: I see you just did a new tarball for skanlite.  What did I do wrong that Messages.h wasn't in the old one?
[17:03] <Riddell> ScottK: the extragear all had their Messages.sh removed for no good reason
[17:03] <Riddell> I've fixed the script used to create them now
[17:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Ah.  OK.  I was afraid I'd messed up.
[17:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:05] <Tscheesy> rgreening: as i see gdm has the same Prob as kdm - so kde is not "upstream" enough..
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: apparently it's possible to build sesame2 from source, though that doesn't solve the space issues
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182607
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> From what we have now, I guess the only difference is that sesame would be in universe rather than multiverse
[17:13] <markey> Riddell: now I almost succeeded I think, until I got this with pbuilder:
[17:13] <markey> "CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:3 (cmake_minimum_required): CMake 2.6.2 or higher is required.  You are running version 2.6.0
[17:13] <markey> "
[17:13] <markey> any idea what I need to change?
[17:13] <markey> (I've got CMake 2.6.2 here, actually)
[17:14] <markey> prolly some oudated info somewhere
[17:14] <markey> ah
[17:15] <markey> I think I can figure that out
[17:15]  * markey greps
[17:17] <markey> hm
[17:18] <markey> must be some cached value or somethin
[17:18]  * markey confused
[17:18] <markey> debian package building isn't exactly trivial :)
[17:18] <markey> I hear arch packages are much simpler
[17:18] <markey> (although maybe not as good)
[17:18] <markey> (never used arch much)
[17:23] <davmor2> Guys no docs for amarok yet.  How do I get amarok to read from my ampache install?
[17:26]  * ScottK looks at Nightrose.
[17:26] <Nightrose> davmor2: add it as a service in the preferences
[17:27] <Riddell> markey: cmake 2.6.2 is in backports, maybe you're building it in an environment without intrepid-backports
[17:27] <markey> ah, good point
[17:27] <markey> well actually I have backports and 2.6.2 here
[17:27] <markey> so it must be a wrong value in some file
[17:28] <markey> cached cmake file or so
[17:28] <markey> I just wonder where
[17:28] <markey> as it's all just sources
[17:28] <markey> hm
[17:28] <markey> might figure that out tomorrow
[17:28] <markey> kinda losing focus now
[17:31] <Tscheesy> ScottK:  something for the wishlist: kubuntu-desktop-minimal-mobile Metapakage (with Multipointer-X Support ;)
[17:31] <davmor2> Nightrose: That's what I thought but I've added the server details in a number of ways and it still don't want to actually do anything
[17:31] <davmor2> :(
[17:32] <Nightrose> davmor2: can you give me a screenshot?
[17:32] <Nightrose> might be easier
[17:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: building sesame from source requires downloading a load of binary .jar files.  that's not building from source
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is that the slf4j stuff?
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> from what I see, they ship the slf4j binaries and sources together
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> unless you need those jars to build slf4j?
[17:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's a whole load of things
[17:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: what does this do? UnredirectFullscreen=false
[17:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/sesame-build-deps
[17:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so all of those need to be packaged with the right version then you need to change the build system to not download them
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> holy shit, lol
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> waay too much effort to build a memory-leaking backend
[17:52] <Riddell> seele: should I turn off amarok's OSD by default?
[17:52] <smarter> is digikam/kde4 available on a ppa somewhere?
[17:52] <smarter> cause currently installing digikam removes gwenview
[17:52] <smarter> and kdeplasma-addons
[17:52] <smarter> (on Intrepid)
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> smarter: digikam-experimental
[17:52] <Riddell> nixternal: you're down as doing the konqueror front page, have you done anything on that?
[17:52] <smarter> JontheEchidna: does it works? (:
[17:52] <smarter> *work
[17:52] <Lure> smarter: but you need kde 4.2 from kubuntu-experimental
[17:53] <Riddell> nixternal: you can set bookmarks: as the default front page and I think that's pretty nice
[17:53] <Lure> smarter: sure it works
[17:53] <Lure> smarter: updated to rc2 yesterday
[17:53] <smarter> cool
[17:53] <Riddell> nixternal: add in a search bar and maybe an install flash option and it should be good
[17:53] <Lure> smarter: it will upgrade digikam db to new version and leave oldone intact
[17:54] <smarter> yup, I(or rather, my friend which just found out that digikam disappeared) has 4.2 :p
[17:56] <Riddell> ScottK: I see xine-lib got moved to -updates and I see kubuntu.org gained a note that it's available, many thanks for leading that
[17:56] <ScottK> Riddell: You're welcome.
[17:56] <Riddell> ScottK: should we move on to getting 4.2 into backports?
[17:57] <ScottK> Riddell: With 4.2.1 coming soonish, should we consider waiting?
[17:57] <ScottK> I'm not sure.
[17:57] <Riddell> ScottK: I've got a few requests that it feels inappropriate to point people towards kubuntu-experimental, but they really want people to be able to get 4.2
[17:58] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[17:58] <Riddell> ScottK: and it should just be a case of copying the packages over right?
[17:58] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't think so.
[17:59] <ScottK> Last time we copied stuff into -backports all the non-ppa archs had packages that failed to upload.
[17:59] <Riddell> the versioning would also be funny
[17:59] <Riddell> building it all in -backports will take ages I fear, but we can do that
[18:00] <ScottK> Riddell: What I'd suggest is do it as a regular backport from Jaunty, but do it on Friday.
[18:00] <ScottK> Over the weekends the buildds seem pretty quiet.
[18:00] <Riddell> it can't be backported from jaunty, path to docs is different and probably other things
[18:00] <ScottK> Yeah.
[18:01] <ScottK> So we want the stuff from experimental redone for backports.
[18:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Any MOTU can upload a source packbort
[18:01] <ScottK> port even
[18:01] <Riddell> redone being change the version and uploading?
[18:02] <ScottK> I'd cleanup debian/changelog too
[18:02] <Riddell> right
[18:03] <ScottK> Riddell: The other trick I would do is accept kde4libs last and give everything else a change to roll to depwait first.  Then we don't get all the FTBFS on the slower archs.
[18:04] <ScottK> So we can start working on them through the week with the idea to accept kde4libs on Friday.
[18:06] <Riddell> how do you mean work on them through the week?
[18:15] <ScottK> Riddell: We can upload and accept everything except kde4libs as they are ready and then on Friday accept kde4libs once everything is depwait.
[18:23] <ScottK> Riddell: It occurs to me that the new tarballs you pushed today really ought to go to experimental too before we backport.
[18:26] <vorian> ScottK: what was the question about the next release?
[18:26] <markey> anyone know if apachelogger can be reached via email currently?
[18:26] <ScottK> vorian: With no apachelogger around the core-dev need to get a plan for reviewing.
[18:27] <vorian> ah
[18:27] <Riddell> ScottK: what did I push today?
[18:29] <vorian> i can forward the packages as i review them, then after we get a core dev check - stage them for upload at the appropriate time
[18:29] <vorian> or
[18:30] <vorian> i can stage them for rewiew, and give $REVIEWER ssh access to my server
[18:34] <ScottK> Riddell: the extragear packages with Messages.sh added back in.
[18:35] <ScottK> vorian: We ought to get laserjock to help out too.
[18:35] <smarter> w00t, I thought I missed the feature freeze but I have a few days to test&upload, cool :)
[18:36] <vorian> ScottK: sounds like a plan
[18:37] <Riddell> smarter: what are you testing?
[18:57] <ghostcube> the kernel update from proposed anything to know about before booting or should it work fine :)
[18:58] <seele> Riddell: OSD?
[19:05] <Riddell> seele: great big thing that tells you what song is playing
[19:11] <seele> oh, right. on screen display. it is pretty big, isnt it
[19:11] <Riddell> interrupts my workflow all the time
[19:12] <jjesse-jaunty> for amarok?
[19:12] <seele> yeah, i dont use amarok on my work computer.. although i was testing it the other day and it was a little annoying
[19:12] <Riddell> jjesse-jaunty: yes
[19:12] <jjesse-jaunty> can't you just change the size/location to not cause it to bothe you?
[19:13] <jjesse-jaunty> the OSD was one of the nice things i liked about Konverstation as I could track irc channels withouth having the window open
[19:13] <Riddell> you can't change the font, and I fear it'll distract me whatever size it is
[19:14] <seele> jjesse-jaunty: you can change location, but the size is huge
[19:14] <seele> for example on my laptop, it takes up probably 5% of my screen when it pops up
[19:15] <Riddell> seele: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/logout1.png  http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/logout2.png  those seem disjointed.  I'd like to change Suspect to RAM/Disk to Sleep and Hibernate in kickoff and make kickoff use the same icon for sleep
[19:19] <seele> Riddell: is that the difference between suspend to RAM/Disk? Sleep/Hibernate?
[19:20] <Riddell> seele: how do you mean?
[19:21] <seele> Riddell: is suspend, suspend, and sleep/hibernate something else?
[19:22] <seele> i never knew what the difference between sleep and hibernate was so i just picked the first one
[19:23] <jjesse-jaunty> i don't either
[19:23] <Riddell> Suspend to RAM == Sleep.  Suspend to Disk == Hibernate
[19:23] <seele> ah
[19:23] <seele> is there a time when you would use one over the other?
[19:23] <Riddell> I don't really mind which we use but I think we should be consistent
[19:24] <rgreening> Tonio_: ping
[19:24] <jjesse-jaunty> isthere one that's better or faster to resume?
[19:24] <Riddell> suspend to ram wakes up quicker but still uses some power, I use it overnight.  suspend to disk uses no power, I use that when travelling
[19:25] <Riddell> I also think "RAM" is a silly meaningless and overly-geeky term, it should be "Memory"
[19:25] <rgreening> Tonio_: I think we need ot update to kpackagekit 0.4.0 ASAP, with associated libs so I can get access to the latest bits.
[19:25] <Riddell> So I'm thinking it should be  "Sleep" and subtext "Suspend to Memory" and  "Hibernate" subtext "Suspend to Disk"
[19:25] <seele> ok, so what if we use Sleep and Hibernate as the main label, but then the text underneath says Suspend session to Memory/Disk or whatever?
[19:25] <seele> ah hah.. youre so smart :)
[19:26] <ghostcube> Riddell, i think its just to show its not used to be suspended to any memory its inside RAM or ?
[19:27] <Riddell> "RAM" is no more specific than "Memory", it's just more geeky
[19:28] <Tonio_> rgreening: will that work against 0.3 packagekit ?
[19:28] <Riddell> I'll keep it as "RAM" now since we already have translations for that, but I'll propose "Memory" upstream
[19:28] <rgreening> Tonio_: 0.4.0 all the way i THINK
 release time :D http://tinyurl.com/4hggzq KPackageKit 0.4.0 is out :D
[19:28] <rgreening> Tonio_: ^
[19:28] <Tonio_> rgreening: it needs libpackagekit-qt update in the first place
[19:29] <ghostcube> hmm ok :) i just thought RAM is a bit different to Memory or ? an usb stick can be memory too or am i wrong with this  i dont want to critisize :)
[19:29] <Tonio_> rgreening: what would that make it better for you ?
[19:29] <glatzor> rgreening, I wrote to Trever about keeping 0.3.x support in kpackagekit
[19:29] <Tonio_> rgreening: the thing is that it's a bit risky.... we have something that just works right now
[19:29] <rgreening> ok. whatever you wish.
[19:29] <glatzor> Tonio_, it should only require a small change which could be backported
[19:30] <Tonio_> rgreening: well I'm not against a POC
[19:30] <Riddell> ghostcube: a USB stick is also random access memory.  we're discussing settings, critisism is the name of the game :)
[19:30] <glatzor> Tonio_, rgreening But I am off now. see you!
[19:30] <ghostcube> hehe
[19:30] <Tonio_> rgreening: hum, I'm on contrib day on friday, can it wait till then ?
[19:31] <Tonio_> rgreening: then we can take time to just look carefully and test
[19:31] <rgreening> Tonio_: sure, we can look at a FFE to pust to 0.4.0 later
[19:31] <rgreening> if it makes sense
[19:31] <Tonio_> FFE ?
[19:31] <ghostcube> Riddell, hmm in this case you are rtight with renaming it ;)
[19:31] <rgreening> well, FF is the 19th
[19:32] <rgreening> Tonio_: (feature freeze)
[19:32] <Tonio_> ah :) sorry, I wasn't there :)
[19:32] <Tonio_> k3b still updated with violence on svn, sounds good :)
[19:33] <seele> Riddell: speaking of kcikoff, are you going to have to repatch it to show the tooltip by default and take away the indent?
[19:33] <Tonio_> rgreening: the thing is that I'd be keen on pushing kpackagekit 0.4 with packagekit 0.4
[19:33] <rgreening> me too
[19:33] <Riddell> seele: it already has indent patched out.  what tooltip?
[19:33] <Tonio_> rgreening: make it to work with 0.3 is, according to glatzor, possible
[19:34] <Tonio_> but I'm really affraid of regressions, to be honnest
[19:34] <seele> Riddell: text under label, wrong terminology
[19:34] <Tonio_> rgreening: and since the package manager is a core super sensible part of the distro... no risk is always better than a very little one :)
[19:35] <rgreening> seele: you get my earlier ping re: kpackagekit naming of the simpe Add/remove for applications
[19:36] <Riddell> seele: we still have that patch too
[19:36] <seele> rgreening: no, i missed it. i saw Riddell's message and stopped
[19:36] <rgreening> lol
[19:36] <rgreening> im not important :(
[19:36] <seele> no, irssi just tells me if my name is mentioned, not how many times :P
[19:37] <seele> if you messaged me later, i would have probably missed Riddell's message :P
[19:37] <Riddell> most recent ping wins
[19:38] <rgreening> seele: ok.. here's the recap: seele: I need to make adjustments to the text for Kpackagekit for "Software Management" for the simple Add/Remove Applications. Should it be called "Applications Management" or "Add/Remove Applications"? or something else? and should we then leave Software Management as meaning All packages (I think we should).
[19:38] <shtylman> so I am sure that these two things are not related, but I had one cause the other... I ran the installer and went to resize a partition. That worked correctly but for some reason caused the battery monitor plasmoid in the taskbar to expand in width (about 4 times it normal size) and thus render 4 batteries
[19:39] <seele> Riddell: re OSD, try repositioning it to the bottom right and let me know if it is still as big of a distraction
[19:39] <shtylman> I dunno what caused the widget to expand, but it does happen repeatededly when I perform partition operations in the installer
[19:39] <Riddell> shtylman: that's been happening for a while, I've not looked into it yet
[19:39] <seele> it's still a distraction, but if it is in the same place as a notification..
[19:39] <Riddell> seele: it'll be something like hal reloading so KDE thinks a new battery has been inserted
[19:39] <shtylman> Riddell: ok, just wanted to make sure someone knew
[19:39] <Riddell> shtylman: ^^ not seele
[19:40] <seele> rgreening: so Add/Remove Applications; Add/Remove Packages vs. Application Management; Package Managment?
[19:40] <shtylman> heh...gotcha...it looks really funny though...maybe leave it in for fun :)
[19:40] <rgreening> Riddell: Kpackagekit filter for GUI returns 0 results for any category. bummer.
[19:42] <rgreening> seele: the current says software management. are you suggesting changing that to Package Management?
[19:49] <seele> rgreening: one should be packages and one should be apps. i think software and apps is ambiguous
[19:49] <seele> if someone doesnt know what a package is, they probably wont look there, or will do so with caution
[19:51] <rgreening> seele: ok
[19:53] <seele> program, application, software are all pretty ambiguous
[19:59] <seele> ScottK: nice graph
[20:51] <Riddell> seele: this dialogue is annoying me, the text is so long I never read it, I think it should be changed to "Store Password?"
[20:56] <seele> Riddell: i havent learned to read you mind yet. which dialog?
[20:57] <Riddell> sorry, http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/lengthy-dialogue.png
[20:58] <seele> hmm.. i remember someone working on that a while ago. i forget who it was
[20:58] <Sorcuring> Good evening!
[20:58] <seele> they were working on kwallet/kpassword
[20:59] <seele> Riddell: short answer yes. how exactly to change it don't know off the top of my head, i'll have to think about it and i'm in the middle of something else at the moment
[21:00] <Riddell> seele: if you're in the middle of something else you should stop getting distracted by IRC :)
[21:00] <seele> shush you
[21:03] <rgreening> Riddell: I thought that one was fixed
[21:03] <rgreening> I dont remember seeing it
[21:07]  * Riddell eyes up nixternal 
[21:08] <Riddell> nhandler: what was going on in -meeting earlier?
[21:08] <nhandler> Riddell: motu-release
[21:09] <nhandler> You are still the delegate for Kubuntu
[21:11] <Riddell> nhandler: so I control KDE and you control everything else?  I feel the power in our hands :)
[21:12] <nhandler> Well, right now, I don't control anything. I'm still not a motu-release member
[21:26] <Riddell> whyever does out kdkdkdkdkdkdkd
[21:26] <Riddell> whyever does the KDE shortcut settings dialogue have a print button on it
[21:46] <rgreening> Riddell: looks like 3 pieces may need updating in order to support desktop app search for kpackagekit: 1) kpackagekit, 2) packagekitlib-qt 3) apt backend... though I am not entirely certain... I have glatzor and webustany looking into those other pieces...
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> jussi01, jussi01_: you might be interested in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156475
[21:48] <rgreening> Riddell: I'm still lookijg to see if there's another way, just in case....
[21:48] <Riddell> rgreening: how are you doing the search?
[21:49] <rgreening> Riddell: the issue is the tight integration which is hard to break out from the builtin filters
[21:50] <rgreening> The ListView is generated from a modelview
[21:50] <rgreening> the model gets its detail from the backend filters
[21:50] <rgreening> I woudl need a new filter
[21:50] <rgreening> to do it correctly...
[21:57] <rgreening> Riddell: I'm doing some other testing now to see if I can bypass that, though I am not hopeful. I think I need to wait for the other folks to help me out.
[21:58] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ahh, thanks!!
[22:05] <Riddell> rgreening: can't you just implement your own filter?
[22:06] <rgreening> Riddell: that was the discussion I have with glatzor. The filter exists in packagekit and not kpackagekit.
[22:07] <Riddell> rgreening: but can't you change kpackagekit to do its own filter?
[22:07] <rgreening> kpackagekit just makes use of the filters exposed by packagekit and those that are implemented in the backend (i.e. you need to implement in the apt backend as well)
[22:07] <rgreening> Riddell: have a look at the code. I cannot see any easy way to do this (atm)
[22:07] <rgreening> it's tightly integrated
[22:08] <rgreening> I'm still looking though.
[22:10] <seele> Riddell: productive day today
[22:10] <Riddell> the best sort of day
[22:11] <rgreening> not so much here :(
[22:11] <Riddell> seele: I also turned off the wordy dialogue which chosing switch user in kickoff
[22:11] <seele> Riddell: yes, that dialog doesnt provide much
[22:42] <rgreening> Riddell: there's a 64 bit flash beta available
[22:44] <rgreening> Riddell: we should consider packaging for this, and make it work with the plugin in kde4libs/khtml
[22:44] <rgreening> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 585907
[22:50] <Riddell> rgreening: as I remember flashplugin-nonfree isn't the nicest of packages to work on
[23:24] <seele> what system setting enhancements need backported?
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> seele: http://www.ereslibre.es/?p=169
[23:30] <seele> JontheEchidna: isn't that just a widget he rewrote?
[23:31] <seele> oh, he's using two different styles hmm
[23:59] <dtchen> rgreening: / Riddell: [flashplugin-nonfree] isn't nice; it's horrible. the package in the repository defaults to pulling the 32-bit plugin from partner and not from Adobe. the redistribution terms of non-final plugins is very non-friendly (i.e., no one is allowed to redistribute the 64-bit alpha refresh)