[00:21] <steelcityjim> ok when I launch the html file that is contained within the var/www file my web page comes up
[00:21] <steelcityjim> but when I use the browser and access the site it get a different "text" view
[00:29] <steelcityjim> when I load this file under the WWW should it be named the domain name?
[00:30] <Davedan> where a packages usually saves files it needs for saving data and processing on ubuntu?
[00:36] <twb> Davedan: what do you mean by `saving data and processing'?
[00:37] <Davedan>  twb: I want to create a simple package
[00:37] <Davedan> the package will need to create a file and after several minutes to delete it
[00:37] <Davedan> I don't want to create files in a place that is not suitable for it
[00:37] <twb> Davedan: I recommend you read the Debian Policy manual, then, and the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3.
[00:37] <Davedan>  twb: thanks I will
[00:38] <twb> Davedan: you can also ask #debian-mentors on OFTC; I don't know if there is an Ubuntu equivalent (possibly #ubuntu-devel?)
[00:38] <Davedan> ok
[00:38] <twb> I would guess that you want to use ${TMPDIR:-/tmp}
[00:40] <steelcityjim> ok what happens after you edit a html file, does it back itself up?
[00:40] <ScottK> twb: For packaging help here the best channel is #ubuntu-motu.
[00:40] <ScottK> Davedan: ^^
[00:40] <steelcityjim> or how do you make sure the most recent edit is being useed
[00:42] <twb> ScottK: thanks
[00:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, hello :)
[00:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Davedan, twb probably #ubuntu-motu for mentorish things
[00:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, ScottK beat me
[00:43] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: Hi !!! :-/
[00:43]  * Kamping_Kaiser should finish reading up first :|
[00:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, you traveling? vics a funny place to find vk7s :)
[00:45] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: Huh? & no not on the move!
[00:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, ah right. your hostmask says your in vic. perhaps its sloppy dns
[00:46] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: Ahh that's bloody Telstra for ya! tassie head office is down town Melbourne!
[00:48] <Davedan>  Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[00:48] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: Hey remember, "ALL" roads lead to Melbourne :P
[00:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, oh, nice touch.
[00:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, haha. enjoy your power outages ;p
[00:49]  * Kamping_Kaiser mutters about crazy victorians
[00:52] <Davedan> can I pass a value between two bash scripts?
[00:53] <lukehasnoname> |
[01:28] <steelcityjim> ok once i make edits on my web page how do i get it uploaded to my site?
[01:41] <steelcityjim> im starting to think this has to be edited before placing into the var/www file
[01:49] <tsrk> steelcityjim, just put your web page in /var/www
[01:59] <steelcityjim> how so tsrk?
[02:00] <steelcityjim> im noticing when the html file is in the var/www and its edited it creates multiple copies and never takes the edit correctly
[02:00] <steelcityjim> however if I edit in another directory it appears to work correctly
[02:09] <hads> Check your permissions
[02:11] <steelcityjim> how?
[02:15] <alienseer23> I have one machine serving my website to the internet with apache, the router points all ":80" traffic to this machine. It is machine "A". I want to be able to serve a subdomain (and other services) from another machine, "B", on my network. How do I map the location on B to A using virtual hosts?
[02:18] <alienseer23> I would like to be able to have service "X.php" running on machine "B" appear as a virtual host on "A" at location "http://serverA.com/X"
[02:34] <steelcityjim> how do I call out differnt jpeg photos in a html text editor, is it keyed by name?
[02:41] <[Drake]> ivok around?
[02:50] <[Drake]> on a software raid setup, is it adviseable to have swap partition on all or just 1 drive? (i have 4 drives)
[03:04] <[Drake]> i can't remember how to do this correctly
[03:04] <[Drake]> I know i need /boot on each drive as raid 1 or 0 and ahve it set bootable
[03:04] <[Drake]> but not sure how big to make the /boot partition or how big to make the /swap
[05:17] <JazzplayerL9> I have a server running ubuntu and I can ssh in just fine...but can't use sshfs at all.  I have fuse loaded and users added to the necessary groups.  I get Connection Reset by Peer every time.  What needs to get changed so it works?
[05:51] <lukehasnoname> Is there a PDF version of the Ubuntu Server Guide, or a way to export it to PDF?
[05:57] <rdw200169> lukehasnoname, i'm pretty sure there iss
[05:59] <Alysum> hello - I was wondering if you could recommend me an FTP server where I could add users in a separate file and not in /etc/passwd
[06:00] <Alysum> Ive been struggling with wftp and proftp
[06:06] <rdw200169> lukehasnoname, well, maybe not.  it used to be.  must be the problems associated w/xml + pdf...
[06:06] <rdw200169> lukehasnoname, (maybe they should have used LaTeX, heh heh)
[06:19] <VK7HSE> lukehasnoname: try  http://dl2.foss-id.web.id/dokumen/ubuntu/serverguide.pdf  However it's for 6.06LTS
[06:20] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, yeah, i was trying not to point him to something that was 2+ years old ;)
[06:20] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: True !!!
[06:21] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, i was working with the documentation team for a little while, but i got too lost in the XML; that and i was irritated i couldn't figure out how to get FOP working so i could get a PDF version.
[06:22] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: He it's out of my league !!! :-D
[06:22] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, yeah, me too.  that's why i still use LaTeX...
[06:23] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: Well I've only been messing with Linux for about 12 months now! and so far so good! but I still have soooo much more to learn...
[06:24] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, well, LaTeX and XML are not really related to Linux, even though that is where they seem to have the strongest presence
[06:25] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: Hmm.. well I'm messing with a backup program called Cedar Backup2 and you guessed it all the config is in XML !!! Gahh...
[06:26] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, yeah, gconf is the same way
[06:26] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: But one step at a time! I may make it! :-/
[06:27] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, there are a lot of fights in the linux world over XML... it's great for programmers, but awful for users
[06:27] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: I'm hearing ya !!
[06:27] <rdw200169> VK7HSE, many people swear that XML is easy to read; just as many people swear its impossible to understand
[06:28] <VK7HSE> rdw200169: my wife can be like that sometimes !!!
[09:05] <kraut> moin
[09:07] <tewmten> mogguh
[09:17] <owh> Mogguh - more like aaavnd.
[09:17] <owh> :)
[10:27] <Fruzen> help me
[10:27] <Fruzen> I dont have C Compiler
[10:27] <Fruzen> I cant ./configure
[10:27] <Fruzen> what I have to do !:S
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> install one
[10:27] <ivoks> apt-get install build-essential
[10:28] <Fruzen> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[10:28] <Fruzen> :S
[10:28] <ivoks> then you have bigger problems
[10:28] <ivoks> try running apt-get update first
[10:30] <Fruzen> ....
[10:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, hey mate
[10:44] <ikonia> Fruzen: you where told what do to in #ubuntu in detail
[11:16] <Fruzen> ikonia
[11:17] <ikonia> Fruzen: yes
[11:17] <Fruzen>  but I need to download the C Compiler
[11:17] <ikonia> Fruzen: you don't
[11:17] <ikonia> Fruzen: what part is not being made clear to you
[11:17] <Fruzen> is that If i downloaded a new software
[11:17] <ikonia> no
[11:17] <Fruzen> I will not use the ./configure
[11:17] <ikonia> no
[11:18] <ikonia> As you have been informed in all the other channels you've asked
[11:18] <ikonia> 1.) open your package manager (synapic/aptitude/apt-get) what ever one you like
[11:18] <ikonia> 2.) search for the phrase "ircd"
[11:18] <ikonia> 3.) this gives you a list of irc daemons that can be used
[11:18] <ikonia> 4.) using the package manager selet one and install it
[11:19] <ikonia> 5.) set it up and use it
[11:19] <ikonia> 6. enjoy
[11:19] <ikonia> Fruzen: is there something in that list / process I'm not making clear to you ?
[11:19] <Fruzen> how to open the package manager
[11:19] <Fruzen> I use SSH
[11:20] <ikonia> Fruzen: so use the "apt-get" and "apt-cache" commands to install and search
[11:20] <ikonia> eg: apt-cache search ircd
[11:20] <ikonia> Fruzen: please show me the output of "uname -a" from your ssh terminal session
[11:21] <ikonia> Fruzen: do you know how to do that ?
[11:21] <ikonia> you seem to stop talking and join another channel every time you get asked for that information
[11:23] <ikonia> Fruzen: hello ?
[11:23] <ikonia> ok so same behaviour again as other channels
[11:24] <ivoks> ikonia: you are dirty hacker that will steal his private data
[11:24] <ikonia> ivoks: obviously
[11:27] <ikonia> Fruzen: ubuntu 6.10 is not supported and End of life, as you are using a modified version of ubuntu that is provided by your hosting provider in a VPS - I suggest you contact them for support
[11:49] <dmacnutt> hm
[14:13] <lukehasnoname> ikonia: but Edgy was the best there ever was
[14:20] <dmacnutt> any able to explain to me why one would add "tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,ro 0 0" to /etc/fstab?
[14:22] <Jeeves__> dmacnutt: To create /dev/shm?
[14:22] <soren> /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh should do that.
[14:23] <soren> dmacnutt: No. For several reasons.
[14:23] <dmacnutt> I'm finding it on a machine i'm looking to duplicate , and I don't see it in the defaults on my new 8.04 server. And I don't want to add it just "Well golly gee it's in the old one why not the new?"
[14:23] <dmacnutt> I want to know it's purpose
[14:24] <soren> dmacnutt: a) /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh does it for you already.
[14:24] <soren> dmacnutt: b) "defaults,ro" is very odd:
[14:24] <soren> For one, it's the same as "ro".
[14:24] <soren> And b) what's the point of mounting a tmpfs read-only? that's rather useless.
[14:25] <soren> dmacnutt: I like your thinking, though. Most people would just have copied it.
[14:26] <soren> dmacnutt: I can't think of a single reason why you'd put that there. Is it a very old system?
[14:26] <dmacnutt> it's likely a previous lts upgrade
[14:27] <dmacnutt> but I inherited it so my information is sketchy
[14:27] <soren> dmacnutt: I would leave it out and not worry about it anymore.
[14:27] <dmacnutt> leaning that way as well
[14:28] <dmacnutt> see who complains :)
[14:29] <soren> It might be the way it was done before mountdevsbfs did it. I'm not sure when that started.
[14:37] <dmacnutt> soren: thank you, for your time
[14:37] <soren> dmacnutt: Sure thing.
[15:24] <Sylphid|work> is anyone aware of any network asset tracking database / diagramming FOSS?
[15:30] <mark> we are working on some
[15:30] <mark> as a mediawiki extension
[15:30] <mark> but it's not anywhere near production ready
[15:32] <Sylphid|work> mark, whats it called?
[15:32] <mark> "DataCenter"
[15:32] <mark> it's asset tracking and datacenter management, not diagramming
[15:33] <mark> it's a bit like racktables, if you know it
[15:34] <Sylphid|work> yea im familiar with racktables
[15:34] <Sylphid|work> does DataCenter support vlan tracking?
[15:34] <mark> not yet
[15:34] <mark> what would you like to see?
[15:36] <Sylphid|work> a vlan membership table would be sufficient however it would be cool to have image maps with ports that light up when vlans that they are a member of are light up
[15:36] <mark> might be nice at a later stage
[15:37] <Sylphid|work> also vlan trunking would be important
[15:38] <mark> but the network side of things is not the main focus for us now... except for physical connections like (fiber patches) / cables
[15:39] <Sylphid|work> so its primarily an asset tracker then
[15:39] <mark> primarily for physical data center management
[15:40] <mark> what device goes where etc
[15:40] <mark> which ties in with asset tracking, yes
[15:43] <Sylphid|work> thanks for the info mark ill have to keep my eye on it
[15:57] <incorrect> is there a video conferencing server for linux?
[16:05] <ivoks> yay for HP
[16:27] <_16aR_> Hello
[16:27] <_16aR_> is it normal that I can't remove/purge mysql-server-5.0 ?
[16:27] <_16aR_> I got the debconf wndow to create a new password for administrator
[16:29] <_16aR_> on a 8.04 ubuntu
[19:16] <Voltron> I want to turn my ubuntu desktop edition into server edition. how can I quickly remove all the GUI dependent applications (firefox, etc)
[19:16] <Voltron> ?
[19:17] <Voltron> !pureserver
[19:17] <Voltron> !nodesktop
[19:51] <ivoks> 172 people in #ubuntu-server?
[19:52] <ivoks> did we had a release i didn't know about? :)
[19:56] <sommer> ivoks: not that I know of, but sometimes things get past me, heh
[19:56] <ivoks> hehe
[19:57] <ivoks> anyone interested in uploading something for me in main? :)
[20:09] <ivoks> anyone? it's a 70 lines long diff, bugfixes for dovecot-postfix?
[20:09] <sommer> i would but...
[20:10] <ivoks> :)
[20:10] <ivoks> but you don't have rw on main? :)
[20:10] <sommer> yep, that would be the issue :)
[20:10] <ivoks> ScottK has rw on main :)
[20:23] <ajmitch> ivoks: 172 people, ~150 or so are lurking :)
[20:24] <ivoks> ajmitch: probably yes - still, 3 years ago 7 people, ~5 lurking :)
[20:25] <ivoks> wow... ubuntu 9.10 will be 5 years of ubuntu
[20:25] <ivoks> time really goes fast
[20:25] <ajmitch> yeah, it does
[20:33] <ivoks> it's time to apply for core-dev :)
[20:36] <ajmitch> ivoks: got stuff to upload? :)
[20:36] <ivoks> small patch for dovecot :)
[20:36] <ivoks> interested? :)
[20:37] <ivoks> really a minor stuff, just typos (~70 lines)
[20:37] <ajmitch> if you want
[20:37]  * ajmitch just needs to update the jaunty pbuilder first
[20:37] <ajmitch> at least dovecot is something I use at work, just not with postfix :)
[20:37] <jmedina> ivoks: i'd like to test dovecot, but need to runint in hardy
[20:38] <ivoks> ajmitch: exim?
[20:38] <ajmitch> yeah
[20:38] <jmedina> ivoks: especifically the sieve management
[20:38] <ajmitch> but on lenny for work, dovecot+exim on intrepid for home
[20:39] <ivoks> i gave up on exim... um... 5-6 years ago
[20:39] <ajmitch> I don't find it too bad for what I need
[20:39] <ivoks> jmedina: well, you can
[20:39] <ajmitch> partly because it'd take a bit of time to learn something else
[20:39] <ivoks> jmedina: take a look at what we have done in intrepid
[20:39] <ivoks> ajmitch: postfix is really a no-brainer
[20:40] <ivoks> and lamont does a great job with packaging
[20:40] <jmedina> ivoks: could you plase give me a rapid summary about dovecot integration in intrepid?
[20:40] <ajmitch> yeah, I may take a look at it in the future if I have time
[20:40] <ivoks> ajmitch: patch is http://www.init.hr/dev/dovecot-postfix.2.patch
[20:41] <ivoks> jmedina: we've added postfix/dovecot sasl integration, cmusieve scripting, dovecot-lda as delivery agent
[20:41] <ivoks> jmedina: um... TLS bu default and maildir by default
[20:42] <ajmitch> ivoks: ok, won't take long
[20:42] <ivoks> jmedina: and sievemanage service in dovecot for customizing scripts on server from your client
[20:42] <jmedina> ivoks: cmusieve is for manual scripts?
[20:42] <ivoks> ajmitch: great, thank you!
[20:42] <ivoks> jmedina: cmusieve is sieve general sieve support in dovecot
[20:42] <ivoks> jmedina: sievemanage is just a imap service that enables editing of sieve scripts from client
[20:43] <ivoks> s/sieve general sieve/general sieve/ :D
[20:43] <jmedina> ivoks: I like sievemanage, because it validates the sieve script (afaik)
[20:43] <ivoks> that's true
[20:43] <jmedina> with cmusieve, you need to be sure that the script is valid, it not, then your ruls wont work
[20:44] <ivoks> that's manual editing of scripts
[20:44] <ivoks> sievemanage doesn't deny or forbbid that...
[20:44] <ivoks> it's just additional interface to writing sieve scripts
[20:44] <jmedina> so, I want to test managesieve with the squirrelmail plugin and also with Horde's ingo
[20:45] <ivoks> very powerful, true, but it doesn't replace cmusieve (it's based on top of it)
[20:45] <ivoks> jmedina: i'm attracted to roundcube's sieve support
[20:45] <ivoks> i've tested it only with thunderbird
[20:45] <jmedina> ivoks: thunderbird sieve support?
[20:45] <jmedina> I didnt know
[20:45] <ivoks> yes
[20:46] <ivoks> there's a plugin
[20:46] <ivoks> http://sieve.mozdev.org/
[20:46] <jmedina> ivoks: dont you have a demo/testing server ?
[20:46] <jmedina> :D
[20:46] <ivoks> :)
[20:47] <ivoks> create a virtualized jaunty server
[20:47] <ivoks> and install dovecot-postfix package
[20:47] <ivoks> and... that's it :D
[20:48] <ivoks> it has couple of minor errors the moment, but once ajmitch uploads new version, those errors will vanish
[20:49] <jmedina> is there any change to work in a hardy backport?
[20:49] <jmedina> I can help
[20:49]  * ajmitch is currently waiting for a test build to finish
[20:50] <ivoks> jmedina: there's no need to backport
[20:50] <ivoks> jmedina: dovecot-postfix only manages configuration
[20:50] <ivoks> jmedina: there's no binary in it
[20:50] <jmedina> but hardy's dovecot doesnt include managesieve
[20:50] <ivoks> jmedina: psssst... there's a bug in managesieve in hardy... kees is looking for volonters to test it :)
[20:51] <ivoks> it doesn't?
[20:51] <ivoks> hm... you are right
[20:51] <jmedina> that is what I was 'backporting' from intrepid
[20:52] <jmedina> well, I just changed something in control and rule files
[20:52] <jmedina> and rebuild with dpkg-package
[20:57] <ivoks> sommer: watching arsenal? :)
[21:01] <sommer> ivoks: hee, yeppers
[21:01] <sommer> good to have eduardo back :)
[21:01] <ivoks> sommer: dudu has returned :)
[21:01] <sommer> ivoks: absolutely
[21:02] <ivoks> sommer: he was missed in our nation team as well
[21:02] <sommer> ivoks: he's got crazy skillz, heh
[21:04] <sommer> ivoks: they need another goal and I'll be happy
[21:07] <ivoks_> hehe
[21:07] <sommer> \o/ yay!
[21:07] <ivoks_> eduardo:world 2:0 :)
[21:08] <sommer> that's so awesome!
[21:08] <ivoks_> if anyone deserves it, it's eduardo; he's just a great guy
[21:09] <sommer> definitely... hopefully he can help rescue what's left of the season :)
[21:11] <ajmitch> ivoks_: can you check debian/rules on dovecot, arch: all packages aren't getting built
[21:11] <ivoks_> huh
[21:11] <ivoks_> i tested it...
[21:11] <ajmitch> binary-indep: build install # nothing to do here
[21:12] <ivoks_> well it runs build and then install
[21:12] <ivoks_> and then nothing else
[21:12] <ivoks_> that should be ok
[21:13] <ajmitch> and the only calls to dh_builddeb, etc have -a
[21:15] <ivoks_> hm...
[21:17] <ivoks_> doh...
[21:17] <ivoks_> you are right
[21:17] <ajmitch> yeah, I thought I was a bit rusty but I got a little suspicious when there was 1 less package built with -0ubuntu2
[21:18] <ivoks_> :)
[21:24] <ivoks> ajmitch: i'll create a new patch then
[21:24] <ajmitch> great :)
[21:27] <ivoks> -i ivoks -i :)
[21:35] <jmedina> good, I just read about canonical and HP parnership
[21:35] <jmedina> I guess HP will only support LTS
[21:40] <ivoks> ajmitch: www.init.hr/dev/dovecot-postfix.debdiff
[21:41] <ajmitch> not the cleanest way of doing it :)
[21:42] <ivoks> no?
[21:42] <ajmitch> binary-indep rule is there for a reason, most packages have similar stuff to binary-arch, but with -i
[21:43] <ajmitch> similar, but the minimum required to build the arch:all package in that rule
[21:43] <ajmitch> it's mostly due to how arch: all packages are built on the buildds, only i386 does the binary-indep rule iirc
[21:45] <ivoks> well, dovecot-postfix is binary indep package
[21:46] <ivoks> i should grab a source with arch: all package and look at it
[21:48] <ivoks> ah... i see
[21:48] <ivoks> i'll do that tomorrow, it's 11PM :/
[21:48] <ivoks> ajmitch: thanks for help
[21:49] <ajmitch> no problem
[22:56] <ScottK> leonel: I got the php-clamavlib figured out for Dapper, so I think we're about ready.
[23:21] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[23:21] <SpaceBass> I understand webmin is considered to be insecure to the point of being dangerious... is there a simple web admin console that people like these days?
[23:22] <jmedina> SpaceBass: it depends what you want to manage
[23:23] <domas> landscape!!!!
[23:23] <ScottK> !ebox > SpaceBass
[23:23] <SpaceBass> thanks
[23:23] <SpaceBass> just looking for a place to see simple stats... drive space, uptime, etc... maybe manage some things....
[23:26] <SpaceBass> ScottK any security concerns with ebox? ... box is not publicly accessible
[23:26]  * ScottK doesn't use it, so no idea.
[23:26] <ScottK> That's just the one that's generally recommended here.
[23:26] <SpaceBass> thanks
[23:27] <SpaceBass> no stranger to bash... but there are times when I'd love to just check disk space, etc from an iphone
[23:28] <leonel> scottK  how ?
[23:29] <ScottK> It turned out not to be very hard.  It just needed some postinst fiddling to backport the change we already had from Hardy.
[23:29] <ScottK> SpaceBass: Get an ssh app for your iPhone.
[23:29] <SpaceBass> ScottK got one :D
[23:30] <SpaceBass> and it works fine... just a though today about webmin and thought I'd ask
[23:32] <leonel> scottK so no  diff or php code searching ..
[23:32] <ScottK> Yep.
[23:32] <jmedina> ivoks, are you there?
[23:32] <leonel> so any tests you need  ??
[23:32] <jmedina> @ping ivoks
[23:32] <leonel> scottK ?
[23:32] <jmedina> ¬¬
[23:33] <ScottK> leonel: I think we're in pretty good shape right now.  I need to do something with the sylpheed-claws packages and that's about it.
[23:34] <MianoSM> SpaceBass: webmin is still working in 8.10 isn't it? (unsupported as it is)?
[23:35] <SpaceBass> MianoSM, I did some research this morning, and yeah i think it is
[23:36] <SpaceBass> but I understand there are some serious flaws
[23:36] <MianoSM> I have it up and running perfectly fine on an 8.10 32bit.
[23:36] <MianoSM> If you are running a LAMP, it works just fine. I would be wary of some of the oddities though (like you need to work a little more with ssh to configure your apache install instead of just apache2.conf or httpd.conf).
[23:46] <kansan> is there a way to debug why cron seems to not be working?  or executing my commands?
[23:46] <MianoSM> Do you have it sending standard out and standard error to /dev/null ?
[23:47] <MianoSM> for instance: /home/username/script.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 ?
[23:50] <MianoSM> Or you could grep your syslog for cron/script/etc?