[00:20] <G-Bleezy> Hey what is the best way for me to transfer files to my XP machine through my router?
[00:28] <Mood> G-Bleezy: ???
[00:28] <Mood> G-Bleezy: from xubuntu -> xp on LAN you mean?
[00:41] <G-Bleezy> ya
[00:41] <G-Bleezy> over lan :)
[01:16] <joey____> Does anyone know how the autostart works?  For some reason X stops loading on my xubuntu system whenever the xfce splash window says 'loading autostart'
[01:16] <joey____> I dont need to autostart anything...
[01:34] <Mood> G-Bleezy: mount the xp drive on the linux box
[01:34] <G-Bleezy> how do i get Xubutu to see the xp drive?
[01:36] <Mood> G-Bleezy: are they both connected to your LAN?
[01:36] <G-Bleezy> yup
[01:36] <G-Bleezy> i can't see either from either yet tho :(
[01:37] <Mood> G-Bleezy: know your IP address for both?
[01:37] <G-Bleezy> internal yes
[01:37] <Mood> like 192.168.x.x?
[01:37] <G-Bleezy> yup
[01:37] <G-Bleezy> they show up connected to my router
[01:37] <Mood> edit /etc/fstab file
[01:37] <G-Bleezy> and the computer name too
[01:37] <Mood> add this to the file:
[01:38] <Mood> /192.168.x.x/share  /mnt/winxpdrive  smbfs  username=yourname,password=password  0  0
[01:38] <Mood> this: //192.168.x.x/share  /mnt/winxpdrive  smbfs  username=yourname,password=password  0  0
[01:38] <Mood> G-Bleezy: do you have samba?
[01:39] <G-Bleezy> yup
[01:39] <G-Bleezy> im not sure user/pass on the xp if there is one...do you know how i can test?
[01:39] <Mood> ok, then add that line to /etc/fstab
[01:39] <G-Bleezy> ok, what after that?
[01:39] <Mood> in winxp, i believe it's under 'file sharing', rightclick, properties, etc
[01:40] <Mood> after you added to the file, sudo mount -a
[01:41] <Mood> oh yeah, you have to first sudo mkdir /mnt/winxpdrive
[01:41] <G-Bleezy> think it'd be chill if i left out the username= and password= fields from that line
[01:43] <Mood> probably
[01:43] <Mood> or use your winxp admin name whatever that is
[02:39] <Ben--\> any 8.10 experts?
[02:40] <rocko> SPAMMERS UNIT
[02:40] <rocko> UNITE
[02:40] <rocko> beware
[02:40] <rocko> they are every where
[02:40] <Ben--\> I need help with my sound
[02:40]  * rocko hides 
[02:41] <charlie-tca> Ben--\: what it the question?
[02:41] <charlie-tca> sound is broken...
[02:41] <Ben--\> I cant get my sound to work in xubu 8.10
[02:41] <rocko> why ?'
[02:41] <charlie-tca> all or part of it
[02:41] <Ben--\> My board is Abit Fata1ty IN9
[02:41] <rocko> is it with all application that use sound Ben--\ ?
[02:41] <Ben--\> no sound at all
[02:42] <rocko> well you could try reconfiguring alsa
[02:42] <Ben--\> I used the board on my windows system and had to install the sound drivers but I cant find the drivers for linux?
[02:42] <charlie-tca> normally they are part of the kernel. You don't have to install them like windows
[02:43] <Ben--\> thats what I was thinking
[02:43] <Ben--\> any suggestions???
[02:43] <charlie-tca> rocko?
[02:43] <rocko> hold on
[02:43] <charlie-tca> last one I helped did not get sound
[02:44] <rocko> Ben--\ try this sudo alsaconf
[02:44]  * charlie-tca is not too good with that
[02:44] <Ben--\> SLI Realtek High Definition Audio is what it used in windows, is there a linux compatible?
[02:44] <Ben--\> ok
[02:45] <rocko> Ben--\  can you do lspci and paste the out put at pastebin.ca
[02:45] <danopia> hi Ben--\
[02:45] <rocko> from your terminal
[02:45] <Ben--\> hey danopia
[02:45] <danopia> oh btw my /dev/dsp is always busy
[02:45] <Ben--\> ok
[02:45] <danopia> any tips?
[02:46] <danopia> "sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp" returns nothing
[02:46] <rocko> why do you mean danopia
[02:46] <danopia> rocko, ?
[02:46] <rocko> you mean like it can not be used when another application is already using it?
[02:46] <Ben--\> you want me to paste all the output?
[02:46] <rocko> yes Ben--\
[02:47] <danopia> rocko, i mean NO application can use it
[02:47] <rocko> after that I will check to see if alsa has your card listed as being supported
[02:47] <rocko> I see danopia
[02:47] <danopia> rocko, while i was swtiching movies in mplayer, my soudn just completely died
[02:47] <rocko> well you guys should all try "sudo alsaconf" out first to see if that will fix the problem
[02:47] <danopia> any and every program either has no audio outputs or says unabel to open sound, echo asdf>/dev/dsp says device busy
[02:48] <Ben--\> ok, pasted it in a dialog window for you
[02:48] <danopia> cmd not found
[02:48] <Ben--\> R1cochet,
[02:48] <Ben--\> rocko,
[02:48] <danopia> rocko, sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[02:48] <rocko> ok
[02:48] <rocko> it looks like you need to install alsaconf
[02:49] <danopia> it isn'ta  package
[02:49] <danopia> i'm using hardy btw
[02:49] <rocko> hmm it looks like ubuntu does not come with  it any more
[02:49] <danopia> and sound was workign, it just died suddenly
[02:49] <rocko> and it is not in the repository
[02:49] <danopia> reboot dind't help, the device was busy when it came back up
[02:50] <rocko> you could try this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa"
[02:51] <danopia> i did
[02:51] <danopia> acutally
[02:51] <danopia> also isn't installed
[02:51] <danopia> i did alsa-utils
[02:51] <rocko> danopia dpkg-reconfigure
[02:52] <rocko> is not install ?
[02:52] <danopia> no
[02:52] <rocko> well I am not sure why it is not
[02:52] <danopia> 'alsa' isn't
[02:52] <rocko> it should be
[02:52] <danopia> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: alsa is not installed
[02:52] <rocko> alsa is  not install ?
[02:52] <danopia> but alsa-utils is
[02:52] <danopia> and alsa-base
[02:52] <danopia> and i did both before
[02:52] <rocko> you should try installing alsa
[02:52] <rocko> sudo apt-get install alsa
[02:52] <danopia> Note, selecting alsa-base instead of alsa
[02:52] <danopia> alsa-base is already the newest version.
[02:52] <danopia> i ahve alsa-base
[02:53] <rocko> well i question try sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
[02:53] <danopia> i did
[02:53] <rocko> no wonder your sound is not working Ben--\ you have a nvidia card
[02:54]  * danopia uses nvidia video :P
[02:54] <rocko> well in the open source that is not good
[02:54] <rocko> but with proprietary software that is ok
[02:54] <rocko> because nvidia maintains good proprietary drivers for linux
[02:55] <danopia> i have hte proprietary drivers
[02:55] <danopia> and i have twinview all set up etc.
[02:55] <danopia> no one say nvidia hates linux
[02:55] <rocko> but if you want to go all open source / free software you will want ati for graphics card
[02:55]  * danopia was acutally trying to watch Antitrust whent eh audio died.
[02:55] <danopia> have you seen Antitrust?
[02:56] <rocko> yes
[02:56] <danopia> so you konw how it's related to the conv? :P
[02:56]  * danopia randomly retarts gdm
[02:57] <danopia> nope, fails
[02:59] <rocko> it doesn't look like alsa supports your sound card Ben--\
[03:00] <danopia> heh
[03:00] <danopia> totem even has full nvidia TV-Out support.
[03:00] <danopia> lol
[03:00] <danopia> i mgiht want to try that instead of just using dvi -> hdmi
[03:00] <danopia> but still, no audio
[03:00] <rocko> well for use with the proprietary drivers
[03:01] <danopia> i'm using integrated audio
[03:01] <rocko> me too
[03:01] <rocko> mine is ATI
[03:01] <danopia> i've even switched PCs with the same isntall and audio worked
[03:01] <rocko> it is supported by alsa
[03:02] <rocko> Ben--\ you still there ?
[03:03] <rocko> nvidia refuses to release documentation on the specifications of its hardware so open source developers have to reinvent the wheel when making drivers
[03:03] <rocko> ati does not do that
[03:03] <rocko> however ati does not release every thing
[03:03] <rocko> but it is better than nothing like with  nvidia
[03:03] <danopia> either way, i just watn audio back :P
[03:04] <rocko> if you want a machine that is 100% free/ open source software it is based to go with amd and ati
[03:05] <rocko> intel does release some of its documentation for its integrated graphics cards on its  motherboards it makes
[03:06] <rocko> 100% free/ open source software pc http://www.lemote.com/english/fuloong.html
[03:06] <rocko> bios, firmware, drivers.... is all open
[03:07] <danopia> my audio is intel i think
[03:07] <rocko> I see
[03:07] <rocko> how did it stop working ?
[03:07] <rocko> did you update recently?
[03:07] <danopia> i was swithcing movies
[03:07] <danopia> from one to another
[03:07] <rocko> sometimes updating can brake things
[03:08] <danopia> and it was wrokign on when, but when i loaded hte second movie mplayer spat an audio error at me
[03:08] <danopia> last update was a week ago
[03:08] <danopia> i've had some updates but i install when i'm bored
[03:08] <danopia> i konw that it worked
[03:08] <danopia> tehn an huor later i swtiched movies and it wasn't working
[03:08] <rocko> I see
[03:08] <rocko> I do  not know sorry
[03:08] <rocko> I can not be any more of help
[03:09] <rocko> hold on
[03:09] <rocko> danopia Ben--\ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:09] <danopia> tried it.
[03:09] <rocko> danopia Ben--\ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:10] <rocko> prehaps you should file a bug report ?
[03:11] <rocko> whoops man I am out of it
[03:11] <rocko> I used a question mark
[03:11] <rocko> ahhaha
[03:12] <danopia> lol?
[03:12] <danopia> Headphone was selected
[03:12] <danopia> my PC done'st have front headphone ports though
[03:12] <danopia> adn my fornt mic port has a LOT of fuzz
[03:12] <danopia> but i don't have a front mic port
[03:13] <danopia> lol
[03:13] <danopia> ok well
[03:13] <danopia> totem has audio but mplayer doens't
[03:14] <danopia> now it looks like an player issue
[03:14] <danopia> wtf
[03:15] <danopia> i am genuinely confused
[03:15] <danopia> all i konw is
[03:15] <danopia> antitrust has audio in totem
[03:15] <danopia> i shall watch!
[03:16] <danopia> well
[03:16] <danopia> now that i played in the gui alsamixer
[03:16] <danopia> (which seems to have more features)
[03:16] <danopia> my volume controls actually work again!
[03:16] <danopia> before the volume was 0 (off) or anything else (full)
[03:18] <rocko> hmm maybe I should of suggested that
[03:18] <danopia> i already checked mute
[03:18] <danopia> but it was weirder
[03:18] <danopia> Front Headphones was all the way down
[03:18] <rocko> well that happens sometimes with applications not being able to play sound and anothere can
[03:18] <danopia> so the output, oncei uncheaked Headphones, was realllly low
[03:18] <danopia> so when i pulled up front headphones, audio output is higher than ever
[03:19] <danopia> but i'm not using front headphones
[03:39] <G-Bleezy> Hey so i'm tryin to setup file sharing and im reading this thing right....and it says this:  1) In XFCE's Applications -> System -> Shared Folders. (This should trigger a Samba install if you don't already have a share, and it should allow you to define the proper workgroup)
[03:39] <G-Bleezy> howcome i can't do that?
[03:40] <G-Bleezy> i don't see Shared Folders
[03:44] <G-Bleezy> and also this...do you guys see this? 5) In XFCE Applications -> System -> Users and Groups... Properties of your username... User Priveleges Tab... check "Allow use of fuse file systems..."
[04:24] <Ben--\> danopia,
[04:24] <danopia> Ben--\,
[04:24] <Ben--\> get your sound prob fixed?
[04:24] <danopia> yea, a while ago
[04:24] <danopia> :P
[04:25] <Ben--\> hmm, any tips for me?
[04:25] <danopia> not really
[04:26] <Ben--\> danopia, go msn
[04:44] <durt> anybody know why the style switcher in settings/appearances in xfce 4.6 doesn't work?
[04:52] <j1mc> durt: it works ok for me
[04:54] <G-Blunted> Hey where can i find this:  In XFCE Applications -> System -> Users and Groups... Properties of your username... User Priveleges Tab... check "Allow use of fuse file systems..."
[04:56] <j1mc> G-Blunted: you need to "unlock" the Users and Groups application for the fuse file system option to show
[04:56] <j1mc> Applications > System > Users and Groups > "Unlock"
[04:57] <j1mc> then highlight your user name, and click properties
[04:57] <j1mc> i gotta go to bed - 'night, all
[05:05] <G-Blunted> I don't have "Users and Groups"
[05:05] <G-Blunted> how can i get that?
[05:05] <G-Blunted> or how can i change permissions so everyone can use the mount
[05:06] <G-Blunted> because i can't get to it unless im root right now and i don't like that
[05:11] <G-Blunted> Why am i missing Application->System->Network...Applications->System->Shared Folders...and App->Sys->Users and Groups....what am  i missing here? I don't have any of those...
[05:23] <R1cochet> G-Blunted: Applications>System>User and Groups
[05:23] <R1cochet> check there
[05:23] <G-Blunted> obviously
[05:24] <G-Blunted> "User and Groups" isn't there
[05:24] <G-Blunted> either is the other two i mentioned...i'm so confused!
[05:25] <R1cochet> weird it should be right under update manager
[05:25] <R1cochet> r u on xubuntu?
[05:32] <tzolkin> Hello, everyone, I want to mount my "usr" to a space paration (now it's mount in "/"), how can i do that?
[05:33] <_Pete_> you want to move usr to another disc permanently ?
[05:33] <tzolkin> no, in the same disc.
[05:33] <_Pete_> well anyway
[05:34] <tzolkin> can i use Live_CD to do that?
[05:34] <G-Blunted> ya im on Xubuntu 8.1
[05:34] <_Pete_> I'm just thingking, I think you can do that with running system
[05:34] <G-Blunted> what am i missing?
[05:35] <tzolkin> now, i have a empty paration, i want my "usr" mount in it.
[05:36] <_Pete_> what I would do
[05:36] <tzolkin> with running system? how?
[05:36] <G-Blunted> i found it
[05:36] <G-Blunted> I'm missing hella packs from System folder
[05:36] <G-Blunted> pretty self explanitory i suppose :p
[05:37] <Mood> G-Blunted: did you ever have any luck w/ the mounting of the xp drive on linux?
[05:37] <_Pete_> just figured out yes maybe it's better do with livecd :)
[05:38] <tzolkin> Will my date in usr is gone?
[05:38] <_Pete_> no
[05:38] <_Pete_> do you know how to mount your current / while using livecd ?
[05:38] <tzolkin> That's pretty
[05:39] <tzolkin> I think no, I never do that before.
[05:40] <tzolkin> I have a Ubuntu 8.04 live_CD, can I use that?
[05:40] <_Pete_> yes
[05:40] <_Pete_> just a sec
[05:45] <G-Blunted> Mood: Still workin on it...i'm real close...
[05:45] <_Pete_> tzolkin: http://pastebin.com/m59a611a7
[05:45] <G-Blunted> my goal is drag and drop capability between the two computers
[05:46] <Mood> G-Blunted: use thunar'
[05:56] <R1cochet> i installed gnomenu but cant seem to get it to display in add to panel. how can i add it to the panel?
[06:20] <G-Blunted> what package would this be in? In XFCE Applications -> Settings -> Autostarted Applications.
[06:32] <R1cochet> apps>settings>settings manager
[06:35] <G-Blunted> okay so...
[06:37] <Mood> G-Blunted: any luck?
[06:37] <G-Blunted> from windows i can browse to my Xubuntu computer and drag and drop files to and from all day long and have lots of fun yay!  But in Xubuntu...it seems to be working on and off...i was browsing for one moment and then i got kicked off
[06:38] <Mood> G-Blunted: Are you using Thunar?
[06:38] <G-Blunted> yea
[06:38] <Mood> G-Blunted: so you had success with the mount -a, right?
[06:40] <G-Blunted> no not really...
[06:40] <G-Blunted> had success once i added shared folders, users and groups, and networking packages that were missing
[06:40] <Mood> G-Blunted: did you do all the steps i recommended starting with editing the /etc/fstab file?
[06:40] <G-Blunted> Samba package was missing too
[06:40] <G-Blunted> ya
[06:40] <G-Blunted> it didn't really work at all
[06:40] <G-Blunted> Error 13:
[06:40] <R1cochet> G-Blunted: what did u install from?
[06:41] <G-Blunted> add/remove programs
[06:41] <Mood> G-Blunted: go to terminal
[06:41] <G-Blunted> and fusesmb
[06:41] <G-Blunted> i did fusesmb /mnt/xpdrv and i think that might of done somethin
[06:41] <Mood> G-Blunted: type ls /mnt
[06:41] <R1cochet> i meant what did u install xubuntu from? livecd or alt?
[06:42] <G-Blunted> ls: cannont access /mnt/xpdrv: Transport endpoint is not connected
[06:43] <Mood> G-Blunted: cat /etc/fstab and put it into paste.ubuntu.com
[06:47] <G-Blunted> http://pastebin.com/d2e668164
[06:48] <Mood> G-Blunted: you commented out the last line? why? also, the C$ looks weird
[06:48] <R1cochet> Mood: can u help with adding gnomenu?
[06:49] <Mood> G-Blunted: also not sure if username=gigabyte/G-Hart will would
[06:49] <Mood> will work*
[06:49] <Mood> R1cochet: let me read the log...
[06:49] <G-Blunted> because it wasn't working at all and i was tryin somethin else but i didn't wanna forget that line so i just commented it out....and i couldn't change the C$ share name in windows...it wouldn't let me, so i used it...and it does show up like that on the network...
[06:50] <Mood> G-Blunted: $ is usually not a valid char. neither is a /
[06:50] <G-Blunted> its just weird that it worked for a moment...but as i was browsing more the connection just sort of courrupted on me until finally i lost it and i couldn't see anything in the /mnt dir
[06:50] <G-Blunted> what you mean /
[06:51] <Mood> G-Blunted: username=gigabyte/G-Hart
[06:52] <Mood> G-Blunted: try changing the name in xp again. it should let you
[06:52] <R1cochet> what log?
[06:52] <Mood> R1cochet: irc chat log
[06:53] <Mood> R1cochet: so what're you trying to have show up?
[06:56] <G-Blunted> i'm trying to be able to browse /mnt/xpdrv/  where i have C$ and "Muzik" shares...one is My Music one is C:...
[06:57] <G-Blunted> oh and i want to browse them in Thunar and drag drop files/folders to my desktop through there
[06:57] <Mood> G-Blunted: ok, one at a time. let's do Muzik. in winxp you need to turn on sharing for that folder
[06:57] <R1cochet> i want to get gnomenu to be added to panel
[06:57] <Mood> G-Blunted: did you do that?
[06:58] <G-Blunted> yes
[06:58] <G-Blunted> it is shared
[06:58] <Mood> how are you editing /etc/fstab?
[06:58] <Mood> mousepad?
[06:58] <G-Blunted> i can browse shares from the xp computer...stuff that is on the domain/workgroup
[06:58] <G-Blunted> ya
[06:58] <Mood> ok, so edit /etc/fstab and put this in:
[07:00] <Mood> G-Blunted: http://pastebin.com/m670f9fe6
[07:00] <Mood> G-Blunted: last line #11
[07:01] <Mood> R1cochet: gnomenu added to panel? or your desktop theme to be gnomenu?
[07:02] <R1cochet> added to panel
[07:02] <G-Blunted> ok so i mkdir /mnt/xpmusik
[07:02] <G-Blunted> what is the right permissions to give it?
[07:02] <Mood> G-Blunted: yes
[07:02] <Mood> G-Blunted: it should default to 777
[07:02] <Mood> G-Blunted: don't chmod it
[07:03] <G-Blunted> k
[07:03] <G-Blunted> what is 777 again?
[07:03] <Mood> G-Blunted: universal access
[07:03] <G-Blunted> ok so mount -a worked
[07:03] <G-Blunted> no errors
[07:03] <G-Blunted> oh shit
[07:03] <Mood> R1cochet: is your theme gnomenu currently?
[07:03] <G-Blunted> it showed up in Thunar
[07:03] <G-Blunted> i didn't even notice
[07:03] <G-Blunted> it just popped up sweet
[07:04] <Mood> G-Blunted: in Thunar, you can add the new mount folder into the side panel on the left
[07:04] <G-Blunted> and it's linked!!
[07:04]  * G-Blunted nods
[07:04] <G-Blunted> done and done
[07:04] <Mood> G-Blunted: ok so now it should auto mount upon boot
[07:04] <G-Blunted> how can i make sure that saves?
[07:04] <G-Blunted> that link
[07:04] <Mood> editing /etc/fstab made it mount upon next reboot
[07:05] <G-Blunted> ok
[07:05] <G-Blunted> well
[07:05] <G-Blunted> ya i guess id like to try C:
[07:06] <Mood> R1cochet: not sure what you're trying to do by "adding gnomenu to panel"... but items can be added to panel by right clicking directly on panel and adding new items
[07:07] <Mood> G-Blunted: why are you going to mount the entire C drive? it will have windoz system files that linux doesn't care for
[07:07] <Mood> G-Blunted: just mount data directories, like My Documents
[07:07] <G-Blunted> k
[07:11] <R1cochet>  i have xfce menu but want ot change it to gnomenu
[07:14] <R1cochet> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Slickness+for+GnoMenu?content=98168
[07:14] <Mood> R1cochet: try going to Applications->Settings Manager->User Interface->Themes
[07:16] <Mood> R1cochet: how did you install gnomenu?
[07:17] <R1cochet> with a deb package
[07:17] <Mood> R1cochet: did you use synaptic?
[07:17] <R1cochet> its not a theme its an add-on
[07:17] <R1cochet> nope its not in there
[07:17] <R1cochet> got the deb from launchpad
[07:18] <Mood> R1cochet: not sure... but i think gnomenu is still in beta for xubuntu
[07:18] <Mood> ok- i'm off to bed. good night folks
[07:18] <Mood> and good luck
[07:19] <R1cochet> night
[07:19] <R1cochet> heres a screenshot of what im trying to get installed
[07:19] <R1cochet> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=98168&file1=98168-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Slickness+for+GnoMenu
[07:19] <Mood> http://georgia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6655976
[07:19] <Mood> R1cochet: someone said gnomenu got added to panel upon reboot
[07:20] <G-Blunted> Mood: Thanks man! I was workin on that for so long :p
[07:20] <G-Blunted> works like a charm! And i did like u said just shared my documents and that is real nice for me :)
[07:21] <Mood> G-Blunted: no worries man. good luck w/ xubuntu. i love it
[07:21] <G-Blunted> i got drag and drop file browsing on both sides now
[07:21] <G-Blunted> I LOVE XUBUNTU!! :p
drag&drop is for kids,  real man use cmdline</flame> :)
[07:24] <R1cochet> tried a restart but thanx
[07:24] <G-Blunted> lol
[07:24] <R1cochet> enjoy g-blunted
[07:24] <G-Blunted> dude im using Compiz...gimme a break :p
[07:24] <R1cochet> i check forums b4 i ask here but ohhwell
[07:24] <G-Blunted> Drag&Drop + Compiz == 31337
[07:25] <R1cochet> i use compiz as well
[07:25] <R1cochet> i love it
[07:25] <G-Blunted> compiz rocks
[07:25] <G-Blunted> i love my cube!!!
[07:25] <G-Blunted> it's the coolest thing ever
[07:25] <_Pete_> is compiz easy to enable/disable with xubuntu?
[07:25] <R1cochet> have u had a look at enlightenment desktop?
[07:25] <G-Blunted> i think compiz is the most productive thing ever
[07:25] <G-Blunted> it literally feels like i am flying through these windows
[07:25] <_Pete_> I have noticed when compositething is in use with kde/gnome 3d-games works slower
[07:26] <R1cochet> _Pete_: how do u mean enable/disable?
[07:26] <_Pete_> especially with kde4
[07:26] <G-Blunted> its like i hacked in to a vnc of a windows computer in 2025
[07:26] <_Pete_> R1cochet: is it in use or not
[07:27] <R1cochet> i dont use kde but yea u can enable/disable in terminal if u like
[07:27] <R1cochet> only thing i dont like about compiz is that it wont show menu on right-click
[07:27] <_Pete_> R1cochet: how do you do that in terminal?
[07:28] <R1cochet> ur on kde right?
[07:28] <_Pete_> no
[07:28] <R1cochet> well for me in xfce
[07:29] <R1cochet> to enable in terminal "compiz --replace"
[07:31] <R1cochet> one sec lemme find command to revert
[07:34] <R1cochet> cant find it
[07:34] <R1cochet> but ask in #compiz-fusion
[07:35] <_Pete_> do you use 3D-games ?
[07:35] <R1cochet> i havent in linux yet
[07:49] <owen1> anyone tried lxde and can share the experience?
[07:49] <owen1> i understand it's lightweight since using openbox.
[07:52] <chewit> owen1, i found it to be slower than xfce
[07:53] <chewit> looks alot like kde
[07:56] <owen1> chewit: interesting. xfce is using xfce4 while xlde is using openbox. isn't openbox faster?
[07:57] <chewit> yeh i think so
[07:58] <owen1> chewit: so it's weird that u find xfce to be faster.
[07:58] <_Pete_> btw is thre some way to measure it other than your experience?
[07:59] <owen1> _Pete_: true
[08:23] <Aquina> Hy guys! Sort question: is the ntfs-kernel-server qequired for Xubuntu to operate properly in any way?
[08:24] <Myrtti> ntfs or nfs
[08:25] <Myrtti> there is no ntfs-kernel-server, but there is nfs-kernel-server package
[08:28] <Myrtti> Aquina: ^
[08:35] <Aquina> Aehm.. sorry mistyped NFS of course.
[08:35] <Aquina> ntfs is a fs ;-)
[08:36] <Aquina> I want to remove EVERYTHING NFS-like from my Xubuntu system. Will that break functionality?
[08:40] <Aquina> (I mean this also includes the removal of "nfs-common" and all packets that have to do s.th. with NFS. Im also usnure about the "portmap" packet.)
[08:41] <Aquina> What do you think about what I stated, Myrtti?
[08:41] <Myrtti> hmmm
[08:41] <Myrtti> !info nfs-common
[08:42] <TheSheep> Aquina: nfs is not needed, port mapper might be needed by some apps like avahi
[08:43] <TheSheep> maybe even cups, at least for some configurations
[08:44] <Myrtti> I don't particularly know what to think of apt-cache rdepends nfs-common
[08:46] <TheSheep> mount...
[08:46] <TheSheep> nfs-common rpelaces mount
[08:46] <TheSheep> interesting...
[08:47] <TheSheep> Aquina: looks like you will have to install mount when you uninstall nfs-commmon
[08:48] <Myrtti> TheSheep: though, when I tested what aptitude would uninstall with with nfs-common, it didn't list it
[08:48] <Myrtti> and would be funny if it would
[08:48] <Myrtti>   libevent1{u} libgssglue1{u} libnfsidmap2{u} librpcsecgss3{u}
[08:48] <Myrtti>   nfs-common portmap{u}
[08:51] <Aquina> Oh I'm runing hardy, but should be the same. I resolved the deps too and think it is safe to remove. Simply stoping the srvces would be an alternative too... THX for your input.
[09:18] <durt> I've got a completely messed up jaunty from an upgrade from intrepid, any easy way to downgrade?
[09:35] <knome> !downgrade
[10:36] <Aquina> Ok now I messed around a lot with all that NFS stuff in ubuntu and also had a look in various conf-files.
[10:39] <Aquina> I recommend not to package Xubuntu 9.04 with "nfs-kernel-server" by default nor can I recommend to run "idmapd", "portmal" or "nfs-common" by default. The user should be prompted somwhere during install. The same applies to samba and cupsd.
[10:40] <Aquina> What do you think about that?
[11:55] <homebrewcider> hey there, I'm running Xubuntu, I have a Canon MP610 printer/scanner, printer working okay, scanner not being recognized, sane is installed, don't know what to do next
[12:06] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: check if it's supported on sane's web page
[12:06] <TheSheep> http://www.sane-project.org/
[12:07] <homebrewcider> annoying thing is I've had it working before, but reinstalled, long sory, and now I can't remember what I did last time
[14:08] <lukinfore> hi again!
[14:09] <lukinfore> how can i get mouse scroll working in xfterm when looking man/info pages?
[14:09] <lukinfore> (jaunty)
[14:09] <Pres-Gas> lukinfore, did you used to have it and then lose it?
[14:09] <Pres-Gas> That happened to me
[14:09] <lukinfore> yes
[14:10] <lukinfore> but that was in hardy
[14:11] <lukinfore> there was no also man autoconplete, as no ~/.bash_autocomplete exist
[14:11] <lukinfore> restoring backup solved it
[14:12] <lukinfore> or there was other name, forgot it
[14:13] <lukinfore> maybe just bashrc though
[14:19] <Pres-Gas> gerrrr, I was wanting to figure that out, but was low on my priorities.  I backed up my . files, but it did not come over with that
[14:19] <Pres-Gas> I wondered if it was an xorg config thing?
[14:20] <Pres-Gas> probably not though
[15:16] <Pres-Gas> Myrtti, TheSheep, your names were mentioned in the Xubu meeting notes.
[15:16] <Myrtti> yup
[15:16] <Pres-Gas> I would like to put my hat in for helping in the channel.
[15:17] <Pres-Gas> Myrtti, do you need anything special or has that even been coordinated?
[15:19] <Myrtti> Pres-Gas: currently I'm struggling to get my hands a bit more free from work related stuff, and I've not yet gotten an email from Cody about what thoughts he had about the subject, so I'm fine and dandy for the moment
[15:19] <cody-somerville> ;p
[15:20] <Pres-Gas> Hey, cody-somerville
[15:20] <cody-somerville> Hiya :)
[15:20] <Pres-Gas> Well, I would love to put my hat in if needed, just ping me when you all are ready...otherwise I will continue to lurk.
[15:21] <Pres-Gas> https://launchpad.net/~presgas
[15:25] <cody-somerville> Pres-Gas, Sure! Sounds great.
[17:57] <vonHalenbach> hi
[17:57] <Pres-Gas> hey, vonHalenbach
[17:58] <vonHalenbach> I have Xubuntu 8.10 and flash 10 installed, but i can't hear anything when i see a flash film. no rickroll for me. :(
[17:58] <Pres-Gas> other sounds work okay, vonHalenbach?
[17:59] <vonHalenbach> I can hear music and films with mplayer.
[18:00] <vonHalenbach> do i have to activate sounds somewhere?
[18:00] <Pres-Gas> Where did you get the flash package?
[18:01] <vonHalenbach> I think i have it installed with synaptic. nonfree?
[18:04] <Pres-Gas> vonHalenbach, see if you have libflashsupport installed
[18:05] <vonHalenbach> okay
[18:05] <Pres-Gas> Tell me if that worked for you when all is said and done
[18:07] <vonHalenbach> flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound was not installed. I did install it ,now.
[18:09] <SiDi> vonHalenbach, using pulse or alsa ?
[18:10] <SiDi> normally with alsa it's running ok, unless you get another app screwing it. I'd recommand removing any flash/gnash plugin and only install flashplugin-nonfree, it's enough if you don't use pulse
[18:10] <SiDi> either, there's a big tutorial on how to get pulse + flash working somewhere on ubuntuforums.com
[18:10] <vonHalenbach> don't know. But i know now, that i use adobe flash player version 10,0,15,3
[18:11] <vonHalenbach> okay
[18:12] <Pres-Gas> vonHalenbach, make sure to restart your browser when you install either what SiDi or myself suggested.
[18:13] <SiDi> yeh, close it before proceeding, even
[18:15] <vonHalenbach> okay
[18:32] <lukinfore> wonder is it normally that pulseaudio get more cpu time, than mplayer using it, when play video?
[18:33] <lukinfore> the same with mpd
[18:33] <lukinfore> pulse get even more, about 10 percents of 2.4 g
[18:36] <Pres-Gas> SiDi, should we assume the silence means it got fixed?
[18:37] <cody-somerville> lukinfore, why are you using pulseaudio? :P
[18:38] <lukinfore> cody-somerville, never know it installed here :P
[18:38] <cody-somerville> lukinfore, What version of Xubuntu are you running?
[18:38] <lukinfore> mpd was configured to use alsa
[18:38] <lukinfore> 9.04
[18:39] <lukinfore> but any way when i start mpd it automatically starts
[18:39] <lukinfore> *was started
[18:39] <lukinfore> till i had removed it
[18:40] <lukinfore> so was just interesting was it normally
[18:43] <cody-somerville> 9.04 is the development release
[18:43] <cody-somerville> and I think what you're describing is a bug
[18:44] <lukinfore> have no idea how to catch it
[18:44]  * lukinfore thinks about slideshow of conky's screen
[18:45] <lukinfore> supplied with some "paint it black"
[18:46]  * cody-somerville blinks.
[18:48] <lukinfore> well I can just report about abnormal cpu using of pulse
[18:48] <lukinfore> but since i'm not plan to use it ...
[18:51] <fbc> Is there a LastFM player that does not load kde nor gnome binaries to play?
[18:51] <SiDi> Pres-Gas, dunno but i went to eat, and it was tasty :)
[18:52] <Myrtti> fbc: shell-fm :-)
[18:53] <fbc> Myrtti, I'll try it out.
[18:53] <Myrtti> fbc: it's quite... *cough* spartan
[18:53] <fbc> Myrtti, spartan? kinda like commando?
[18:54] <Myrtti> fbc: it's commandline tool :-)
[18:54] <Myrtti> well, player, not tool
[18:54] <fbc> Myrtti, the lastfm player only real MEN(linux users) would use?
[18:54] <Myrtti> :-DDDDDDD
[18:55] <Myrtti> fbc: I honestly wouldn't know ;-)
[18:57] <Myrtti> fbc: I've used it since 2005 or so though :-P
[18:57] <fbc> Myrtti, I loaded it and pressed f for fan station and nothign happened...
[18:58] <fbc> Myrtti, maybe there is somthing wrong
[18:59] <Myrtti> fbc: you did put things in the .shell-fm/shell-fm.rc ?
[19:01] <fbc> Myrtti, nope.. guess I should do that huh?
[19:01] <Myrtti> fbc: yup
[19:01] <Myrtti> man shell-fm-config
[19:09] <Pres-Gas> Myrtti, the thing is, I am so addicted to Amarok
[19:10] <Pres-Gas> Though I like cmus for my netbook, I just fire up sshfs to my music and then cmus for the front end....*sigh*...love
[19:10] <Pres-Gas> Though no posting to last.fm from that
[19:10] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: three letters: mpd
[19:11] <Pres-Gas> Really? Googleing now
[19:19] <R1cochet> is there a music player that has visuals like when u play music through totem or wmp?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> ummm, totem?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> R1cochet: have you tried Listen? You have an option for visuals
[19:25] <R1cochet> a dedicated music player
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Listen Music Player is a dedicated music player, isn´t it?
[19:30] <SiDi> i think it is
[19:31] <R1cochet> ok but does it have those nifty visuals?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> There is a user option to enable them
[19:40] <fbc> I just want a music player with the lower utilization posible...
[19:40] <fbc> I'm on an 1.8ghz amd-64
[19:41] <fbc> and Myrtti gave me a good suggestion with the command-line last fm player.. very low utilization.
[19:41] <SiDi> doesn't xfmedia play music ?
[19:41] <Odd-rationale> fbc: try "shell-fm"
[19:41] <SiDi> i'm using my laptop with a nerfed cpu, 800 mhz, yet i use exaile
[19:41] <fbc> SiDi, It may but I wanted LastFm in this case and shell-fm fit the bill...
[19:42] <Odd-rationale> !info shell-fm
[19:42] <fbc> Odd-rationale, yeah Myrtti  already told me about it thanks though.
[19:42] <Pres-Gas> LOL, Sidi...nerfed cpu
[19:42] <Odd-rationale> fbc: for normal music files, try moc
[19:42] <Pres-Gas> That is awesome
[19:42] <Odd-rationale> !info moc
[19:43] <Pres-Gas> !info cmus
[19:43] <fbc> Odd-rationale, is it a lite peice of software that won't force me tu run gnome or kde libs?
[19:43] <owen1> SiDi: i love moc
[19:43] <Odd-rationale> fbc: only ncurses
[19:43] <SiDi> Pres-Gas, let me find the actual word.. xD
[19:43] <fbc> Odd-rationale, kewl.
[19:44] <Pres-Gas> No SiDi, that was a totally choice word.  Keep that
[19:50] <fbc> Odd-rationale, yeah cmus is so light that it doesn't have but an ansi gui.
[19:51] <fbc> Odd-rationale, I didn't want to got the "light" on a dedicated music player.. i think I'll keep listen until something lighter with a graphical gui comes along.
[19:54] <Odd-rationale> i also like gnome-mplayer... it only really requires gtk and mplayer....
[19:54] <Odd-rationale> i think...
[19:56] <knome> fbc, did you already try gimmix?
[19:57] <fbc> knome, nope.. lemme try
[20:00] <fbc> knome, apparently it requires some called mpd to be installed as well.
[20:00] <knome> fbc, yes.
[20:00] <Myrtti> mpd is wonderful
[20:01] <knome> Myrtti, you're wonderful.
[20:01] <Myrtti> I run it on my home server and connect to it with ario or my Nokia Internet Tablet
[20:01] <Myrtti> I still haven't checked if there's a s60 client for mpd
[20:02] <knome> hah
[20:02] <Myrtti> I used to have the output to go to icecast2 so it was streamed and I could listen to it with my s60 phone...
[20:03] <knome> d'oh
[20:03] <Myrtti> but my poor old Optiplex starts to moan with the server load
[20:03] <knome> hehe
[20:03] <knome> maybe you need a new one
[20:03] <Myrtti> with mpd, apache2, mysql, ssh, icecast2, god knows what running
[20:03] <Myrtti> oh yeah, nfs, bitlbee
[20:04] <knome> why bitlbee? security freak?
[20:04] <Myrtti> hm? bitlbee, the irc-im gateway...
[20:04] <knome> yes. but why in your own server?
[20:05] <Myrtti> oh yea, security freak. Our company internal communications are over xmpp and I don't want passwords/logs anywhere accessible by others
[20:05] <knome> >___<
[20:05] <Myrtti> that's why I run two irssis too
[20:06] <knome> epic d'oh
[20:06] <Myrtti> other for irc and private im, other for work xmpp
[20:06] <Myrtti> but hey, it beats pidgin 100-0
[20:06] <knome> sure
[20:07] <Myrtti> almost everything beats pidgin
[20:07] <Myrtti> anyway
[20:07] <knome> haha
[20:07] <knome> like.. a granny
[20:07] <Myrtti> mpd is the best thing invented since frozen pizzas
[20:07] <knome> yak
[20:07] <knome> i prefer my pizza warm
[20:08] <Myrtti> so do I ;-)
[20:08] <knome> ;P
[20:10] <SiDi> i prefer living just next to a cheap pizzeria :O
[20:10] <SiDi> so i can even have a social life (if i meet someone on my way there \o/)
[20:10] <knome> ~cheap, but the quality is ~average
[20:14] <SiDi> well, i've got almost no money :) i'm a studentz ! so it's just perfect for me
[20:20] <Myrtti> and yeah, mpd takes ridiculously little of resources
[20:21] <R1cochet> is there a program for making an animated .gif file for an avatar?
[20:22] <Myrtti> gimp can do it
[20:22]  * charlie-tca used gimp for that before
[20:22] <knome> let me think if it can export them to use as avatars... nah, i don't think so ;)
[20:22] <Myrtti> do several layers and save as gif. it asks when saving do you want to flatten the image or use the layers as frames
[20:23] <Myrtti> or that's what it did about three or four years ago...
[20:23] <SiDi> You can do it with The GIMP. You can do anything. It'll just take you a few dozen years to find out HOW ! :)
[20:24] <R1cochet> but can it do it from a video file?
[20:24] <SiDi> if you save the frames of the video into images and then open them as layers, yes ?
[20:25] <R1cochet> Laughing Out Loud
[21:57] <G-Blunted> hey how do i get a list of stuff that's actually mount'ed?
[21:57] <G-Blunted> oh sry, guess i jsut type mount :p
[21:58] <slow-motion> hi
[21:58] <G-Blunted> hi
[21:59] <SiDi> df -H
[21:59] <SiDi> if i remember wellz
[22:00] <G-Blunted> oh that is better output than 'mount', thanks! :)
[22:22] <G-Blunted> does the default music listener app play .mp3s??
[22:24] <knome> G-Blunted, yes, if you have the codecs installed
[22:24] <knome> !mp3
[22:24] <knome> G-Blunted, see the first link.
[22:29] <RytmenPinne> Hey, I just tried xfce and I really like it, now, how do I make it default from kde 3.5 ?
[22:29] <knome> !purexfce | RytmenPinne
[22:29] <knome> RytmenPinne, do you mean that?
[22:29] <RytmenPinne> yes :)
[22:30] <knome> ok. have fun.
[22:30] <SiDi> RytmenPinne, in kdm, just choose "xfce" as the default session
[22:30] <knome> the solution SiDi provided doesn't remove kde.:)
[22:30] <RytmenPinne> ok, SiDi will that so to speak, not start up kde at system startup?
[22:31] <RytmenPinne> cause that's enough for me
[22:31] <knome> RytmenPinne, correct.
[22:31] <SiDi> This way if you want to use kde for any reason, it's still available ;)
[22:31] <RytmenPinne> I think I'll go with that option :)
[22:32] <RytmenPinne> but, what about kde apps? do they requier kde?
[22:32] <knome> RytmenPinne, nope.
[22:32] <RytmenPinne> good :)
[22:32] <knome> RytmenPinne, but of course, you get the most out of xfce if you dont use qt (read: kde) apps.
[22:33] <knome> RytmenPinne, because then you have to load additional libraries.
[22:33] <RytmenPinne> its mainly k3b I'm interested in using
[22:33] <knome> maybe you can find an alternative, if you don't mind all of it's tiny details and little features. :)
[22:33] <RytmenPinne> yes that's sort of my goal here :P I makin an audio workstation of an old computer with only 512mb ram
[22:34] <RytmenPinne> I suppose :)
[22:34] <RytmenPinne> I was very positivly surpised with  xfce tho
[22:34] <RytmenPinne> fast like mother
[22:36] <RytmenPinne> hmm, maby I should just remove it all :P
[22:36] <knome> you can always install it back, if you're desperate.
[22:36] <RytmenPinne> yep
[22:38] <SiDi> try brasero for burning
[22:38] <SiDi> its pretty light
[22:38] <SiDi> and gtk (gnome) apps are better integrated with xfce
[22:38] <SiDi> which also uses gtk
[22:39] <RytmenPinne> is there any way I can make the command ignore packages that doesnt exist?
[22:39] <knome> RytmenPinne, not really.
[22:39] <knome> RytmenPinne, the best way is to gopy it to a text editor and edit accordingly
[22:40] <RytmenPinne> ah k
[22:40] <RytmenPinne> or I just sudo install first :D
[22:40] <knome> RytmenPinne, that's the other option.
[22:41] <knome> RytmenPinne, i suppose installing kubuntu-desktop would install any kde packages that you are "missing"
[22:41] <knome> RytmenPinne, and ubuntu-desktop for gnome/ubuntu
[22:42] <RytmenPinne> hmm wait, I just noticed one thing, that was for 8.10, and I'm actually on 8.04 I remember
[22:42] <knome> RytmenPinne, a-ha.
[22:42] <knome> RytmenPinne, the idea is basically the same.
[22:42] <RytmenPinne> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 305 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:42] <RytmenPinne> After this operation, 1098MB disk space will be freed.
[22:42] <RytmenPinne> \m/
[22:59] <Dillizar> what is the xubuntu requirements except 128MB ram
[23:01] <Myrtti> Dillizar: more than 128MB ram
[23:02] <SiDi> it runs on a 800mhz cpu if u wanna know
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Dillizar: http://xubuntu.org/get Minimum system requirements
[23:02] <SiDi> if the pc is REALLY low, and lags with xfce, try lxde tho
[23:02] <knome> Dillizar, from http://xubuntu.org/get : You need 128 MB RAM to run the Live CD or 192 MB RAM to install.
[23:02] <knome> Dillizar, 128 is for *live cd*, not installed system
[23:03] <charlie-tca> It will work in 128MB ram and 450MHz cpu, if you really want to know
[23:03] <Dillizar> sd ddr ddr2 the same but must be 128
[23:03] <knome> good night ->
[23:03] <SiDi> night knome
[23:03] <charlie-tca> night knome
[23:03] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, but you'll end up makeing coffee after every command on the cli not even speaking of gui clicks/actions ;)
[23:03] <Dillizar> see ya
[23:04] <knome> o/
[23:04] <charlie-tca> You only get to drink the cup, do not really have time to make it each time
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Dillizar: it runs slow in 128MB; I prefer 384MB here
[23:06] <Dillizar> charlie-tca, i have one problem with xubuntu
[23:07] <Dillizar> i dont know how its called
[23:07] <Dillizar> but when i hold my left mouse button and drag it
[23:07] <Dillizar> nothing happens
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Does it work to double click?
[23:08] <Dillizar> yes
[23:09] <Dillizar> you dont understand
[23:09] <Dillizar> you know when you hold your button and move the mouse
[23:09] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:09] <Dillizar> to select more icons for ex.
[23:09] <Dillizar> well doesnt work for me :)
[23:10] <charlie-tca> No, I don't do that. I can click on an icon and drag it by holding the button down, or hold ctrl and click several items to hilite them
[23:11] <Dillizar> can you do it on xubuntu
[23:11] <charlie-tca> hold control and click icons to hilite them?
[23:12] <Dillizar> no
[23:12] <Dillizar> on the desktop
[23:12] <G-Blunted> Hey where would i set the window manager to use on login?
[23:12] <Dillizar> just hold the button and move your mouse
[23:13] <Dillizar> will it make a square or smt like that
[23:13] <G-Blunted> oh wait not that
[23:13] <G-Blunted> i meant the window decorator
[23:13] <G-Blunted> cause when i boot i start with no title bars or borders on my windows
[23:13] <G-Blunted> id like to decorate them a lil bit! :)
[23:13] <charlie-tca> Well, I'll be. That does hilite several icons
[23:14] <charlie-tca> But you still have to move the desktop icons one at a time
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Xfce doesn't move the icons on the desktop in a batch
[23:15] <Dillizar> its a bug??
[23:15] <Dillizar> :D
[23:16] <Dillizar> or just the kernel is small as possible :D
[23:16] <charlie-tca> I think it is a feature
[23:16] <charlie-tca> G-Blunted: I never saw them disappear.
[23:17] <Dillizar> ahh G-Blunted
[23:17] <Dillizar> :D
[23:17] <Dillizar> i know
[23:17] <Dillizar> you must
[23:17] <Dillizar> alt+F2
[23:17] <Dillizar> and type
[23:17] <Dillizar> emerald --replace
[23:17] <Dillizar> that will do ;)
[23:19] <Dillizar> did it work
[23:19] <Dillizar> :D
[23:22] <Dillizar> will gnome themes work for xubuntu??
[23:24] <TheSheep> yes, the gtk themes, not windows decoration though
[23:50] <SiDi> bye bye