[00:00] <dtchen> rgreening: / Riddell: if and when the 64-bit plugin is final, only then can Canonical redistribute it from partner.
[00:00] <rgreening> okies
[00:00] <rgreening> :)
[00:16] <rgreening> Riddell: any idea on proper wat to add QSql to CMakeLists.txt?
[00:16] <rgreening> s/wat/way
[00:17] <Riddell> rgreening: -lQtSql  is good with me
[00:18] <rgreening> how though? Im not a cmake guru
[00:19] <Riddell> there'll be a linking line in there
[00:20] <rgreening> target_link_libraries Riddell
[00:21] <rgreening> that one
[00:36] <seele> Riddell: oh, another kickoff tweak: click tab instead of hover tab unless people are strongly opposed
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> It's already click-by-default, iirc
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> but only for the default kickoff. Add a new one and it has plasma-type defaults
[00:38] <seele> JontheEchidna: we made it click by default, upstream is hover
[00:38] <seele> whatever is in jaunty atm hasn't been fixed
[00:40]  * rgreening is getting bogged down in Kpackagekit, packagekit-qt, libpackagkit, packagekit, aptDBBusBackend, etc...
[00:41] <rgreening> txwikinger: how are your TODO items :) https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[00:41] <rgreening> :P
[00:41] <rgreening> I'll run and hide now
[00:42] <txwikinger> rgreening: I am working on getting it into KCM
[00:42] <seele> rgreening: that's the price for going to uds and volunteering to work on it :)
[00:42]  * txwikinger wasn't at UDS
[00:42] <rgreening> seele: yup. Never realized how insane it is :)
[00:43] <txwikinger> and I got volunteered :p
[00:43] <rgreening> seele: and getting the "right" knid of help when you need it is not easy
[00:43] <rgreening> I'm treading water in a whirlpool
[00:44] <txwikinger> seele.. Did you do a specification of the enhancements for userconfig?
[00:46] <txwikinger> rgreening: Well.. lots of red stati :D
[00:48] <seele> txwikinger: no.. i wanted to but the people i was trying to work with didnt get their part done
[00:48] <txwikinger> seele: hehe
[00:49] <txwikinger> Well.. I will try to get it in as it is.. I had already fixed the existing bugs anyway
[00:49] <rgreening> txwikinger: cool. Im missing those bits
[00:50] <txwikinger> well.. When I did it I wasn't Kubuntu member yet.. so the source code is under my user name
[00:50] <txwikinger> and someone kicked me to apply to be member :D
[00:53] <rgreening> QSql is really getting on my nerves!!!!!!!!! grrr
[00:53] <rgreening> QSqlQuery::value: not positioned on a valid record
[00:53] <rgreening> bah
[01:02] <rgreening> Which key is supposed to be the Meta Key for Compositing effects?
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> The Windows (tm) key
[01:03] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: doesn't work here
[01:03] <rgreening> I get garbage for that key
[01:04] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna, call it super key so you dont need to tm it rofl
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> ;P
[01:05] <ghostcube> heh
[01:10] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you use yahoo for im at all?
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> not really, no
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Yahhhhooooooooo!
[01:10] <DaSkreech> I'm apparently in the top 15% users of Yahoo
[01:15] <rgreening> DaSkreech: does it work for kopete ?>
[01:15] <rgreening> under Jaunty
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Jaunty? No clue
[01:16] <DaSkreech> I'm in KDE 4.2 on Ibex is there that much difference between the two?
[01:17] <ScottK> Riddell: I just noticed that the kde4bindings source package in Jaunty needs to be removed.  Do you want a bug on that?
[01:18] <rgreening> DaSkreech: and does it work? I can't connect here
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Works fine here
[01:23] <rgreening> Ya, I got it working now, I put the email address in and not the name only
[01:24] <DaSkreech> hmm I think I have name only but whatever works
[01:24] <colomar> cu all, gn8
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Is Koffice still at loggerheads with KDE4 ?
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> ugh, still gotta backport the latest beta that fixes koffice
[02:05]  * JontheEchidna probably wont' be able to do that until after Feature Freeze, though
[02:06] <rgreening> QSQL HE77
[02:06] <rgreening> grr.arg.segFault()
[02:06] <vorian> huh?
[02:06]  * vorian things rgreening needs some drugs
[02:07] <rgreening> yus. pleze
[02:07] <vorian> hehe
[02:07] <rgreening> I am hating QSql....
[02:07] <rgreening> trying to connect to the stupid app-install desktop cache file so I can make kpackagkit simple for the masses. Its giving me a mass hemmorage
[02:08] <ScottK> rgreening: QSql: At least it makes Git look easy.
[02:08] <rgreening> yup
[02:08] <rgreening> I've rebuilt kpackagekit > 100 times today
[02:08] <rgreening> seriously
[02:11] <vorian> that sounds not fun
[02:15] <rgreening> not at all
[02:16] <rgreening> dimmit all to he77 QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[02:16] <rgreening> |(
[02:43] <ScottK> So much for that plan.
[02:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Sorry about the FTBFS spam in your inbox.
[02:45] <ScottK> vorian: Looks like my upload kde4libs last idea is a no go.
[02:45] <vorian> ScottK: oh?
[02:45] <ScottK> Apparently it only depwaits the i386.
[02:45] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[02:46] <vorian> hmm
[02:46] <ScottK> Isn't that obscene.
[02:46] <vorian> yes, very much so
[02:46] <vorian> oh well
[02:46] <ScottK> So basically it only works where you don't need it.
[02:47] <vorian> ScottK: just think, in a month(ish) you will have a helper for FTBFS
[02:47] <ScottK> I hope so.
[02:47] <ScottK> Getting on the tech board schedule can take a while.
[02:48] <vorian> I noticed
[02:48] <vorian> With their published schedule, i may not be available until the end of March anyways
[02:49] <ScottK> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ is pretty much a thing of beauty when it comes to powerpc now.
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: got time to take a look at bug 296433?
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> oh, almost forgot the debdiff from debian to the merge
[03:00] <maco> hey i think i have a bug
[03:00] <ScottK> That'd be handy.
[03:00] <maco> i have powerdevil set to suspend my laptop if i shut the lid on battery power
[03:01] <ScottK> Heya maco.  Bugs we got.  It's fixes we're short on.
[03:01] <maco> if i manually hit suspend in the kmenu and then i shut the lid before it finishes suspending, when i resume, i have to resume twice
[03:01] <maco> haha
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> debdiff attached
[03:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I've got a couple of other things I need to look at first.  If I get through that and I'm neither to tired nor too drunk, I'll look.
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> hehe, thanks
[03:02] <ScottK> maco: I think you should file that.
[03:02] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Have you seen ^^^ before?
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> never
[03:02] <maco> ScottK: well i wanted to see if anyone else could reproduce first
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> usually it's the other way around, with you never having to enter your password on resume or whatever
[03:03] <maco> well i do want it to make me enter my password. screen lock = good
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> yup
[03:03] <maco> but itll resume, and as soon as it resumes, itll suspend. and then i have to hit the spacebar again to tell it to re-resume
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> but the bug reports are usually about it not asking for your password or not suspending at all, but never suspending twice
[03:04] <maco> though whether it locks screen or not *does* depend on which method of invoking suspend i use, i think
[03:05]  * JontheEchidna got a lot done today
[03:05] <maco> so would that be powerdevil, acpi-support, or...?
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> powerdevil. Might as well report upstream directly since we'd just have to forward it from Launchpad anyways
[03:06] <maco> ok
[03:06]  * JontheEchidna decides to call it a night and watch Doctor Who
[03:07] <maco> JontheEchidna: wow
[03:07] <maco> um...that's what dtchen's doing right now
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> ... seriously? lol
[03:07] <maco> he just bought The Five Doctors. and he's not letting me watch because i have homework
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> I'm watching the first part of the 2-episode finale of the 2006 season
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> I have been having a hard time *ahem*... acquiring the second season of the original series ;-)
[03:08]  * JontheEchidna leaves it at that
[03:09] <maco> haha
[03:09] <maco> 2006 would be...rose goes away?
[03:09] <maco> oh! "this is not a war. this is pest control!"
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I think one of these two epsiodes is when she leaves
[03:09] <maco> "5 million cybermen? easy. one doctor? now you're scared"
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> anyway, g'night peeps
[03:11] <maco> pgraner says im actually hitting a gnome hal issue
[03:11] <maco> s/gnome/known/
[03:11] <maco> ok so we know what my fingers are used to typing that has a o in the middle...
[03:30] <ScottK> That's good to know (both that it's known and it's HAL)
[03:35] <maco> its also Fix Released ;)
[03:35] <maco> apparently both gnome-power-manager and powerdevil need to be modified along with hal. only g-p-m and hal have been though
[03:40] <rgreening> great
[03:40] <maco> great?
[03:40] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^^
[03:41] <rgreening> sarcasm :)
[03:41] <maco> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184586
[03:41] <maco> ScottK: ^
[03:41] <maco> WOAH ubottu knows about not-LP bugs?
[03:41] <rgreening> hehe
[03:42] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:42] <ScottK> Well there you go.
[03:42] <rgreening> I am so about to give up on kpackagekit
[03:43] <DaSkreech> What is it not doing?
[03:43] <rgreening> It not what its not doing.. Its what I cant get it to do
[03:44] <rgreening> :)
[03:44] <rgreening> Im trying to add a qsql query and it keeps balking
[03:48] <DaSkreech> That's annoying
[03:48] <rgreening> yup
[04:11] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Did you hear the clip?
[04:12] <txwikinger> rgreening: Isn't kpackagekit supposed to replace adept?
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Yep
[04:13] <seele> maco: justin wasn having weird problems with suspending too. although his had to do with whether the screen locked in the right order or not
[04:13] <seele> hmm.. should have read the entire backlog first
[04:14] <maco> seele: i have lock issues to
[04:14] <maco> too
[04:14] <maco> if i close lid, it locks. if i use the menu, it doesn't.
[04:15] <maco> though that "locks after resuming" thing was a graphical-artifact problem, fixed a couple weeks ago in jaunty, i think
[04:15] <maco> er like where you resume and see the deskop then go to use it and then it locks
[04:17] <seele> yeah
[04:18] <maco> seele: by the way, there's someone in #ubuntu-women going "wait, i can count 'this is hard to use' as a bug too??"
[04:19] <seele> huh
[04:20] <maco> explained the concept of a usability bug
[04:20] <maco> like, just because it works doesnt mean its right
[04:25] <txwikinger> I thought the system-config-printer-kde app works now in systemsettings
[05:07] <rgreening> I hate myself
[05:08] <rgreening> I spent all day messing around with QSql on what I thought was a populated db and getting no results and errors. Turns out the db is empty!
[05:11] <DaSkreech> >_<
[05:20] <maco> that sounds like an easy mistake
[05:22] <rgreening> maco: well, I thought that was the issue. So I created a new db. added some data. Still got the same stupid errorzzzzzzzzzzz
[05:22] <rgreening> QSql docs sux
[05:22] <rgreening> major
[05:27] <maco> so you're saying some programmers create things and then don't write proper documentation for it? i'm shocked.
[05:32] <dtchen> tech writers command a lot of money
[05:33] <maco> -_- that was a joke
[05:50] <rgreening> heh
[06:00] <rgreening> omg, I got it working!
[06:00] <rgreening> \o/
[06:00] <rgreening> that's like 10 hrs of my life gone forever
[06:01] <maco> yay
[06:11] <rgreening> QSql is confusing
[06:12] <rgreening> open this, check that, but first really check you connected. And then, if you think you connected test again.
[06:12] <rgreening> only then, you need to test ofr fail and try again.
[06:12] <rgreening> omg so many checks
[06:13] <maco> hahaha
[06:14] <rgreening> I'd swear I was writing lisp (cdr (cdr (car list( a,a,a,))))
[06:57] <maco> i just witnessed something very broken on jaunty kubuntu
[06:58] <maco> dtchen's screeen was locked. his cat stepped on the part of the keyboard where the arrows and shift keys are. the black background behind the lock disappeared so the lock password box was sitting on top of the fully-visible desktop. the lock password box then closed on its own.
[09:33] <clau30> hi. when will the amarok package w/ the wikipedia fix be available?
[09:38] <Riddell> clau30: never heard of it, got a bug number?
[10:00] <markey> Riddell: we sent a patch on our amarok-packagers list, for the wikipedia browser borkage
[10:00] <markey> this also affects 2.0.1.1, btw, I think
[10:01] <markey> it's because we screen-scrape, and wikipedia changed some element on the site
[10:01] <markey> they still don't offer a proper API :/
[10:01] <markey> patch is a one-liner
[10:01] <markey> I can paste it somewhere, if you wish
[10:03] <clau30> thanks markey :)
[10:03] <markey> yw
[10:04] <Riddell> markey: hmm, I can't seem to find it
[10:04] <markey> no problem, lemme look it up
[10:04] <markey> sec
[10:05] <markey> Riddell: this is for amarok 1.x: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=917750
[10:06] <markey> Riddell: and this for 2.x: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=920066
[10:26] <Riddell> markey: fix uploaded
[10:27] <clau30> woohoo
[10:30] <markey> Riddell: thanks dude :)
[10:48] <Nightrose> seele: EgS: Sput: when clicking on quassel's tray icon while it is open but not focused makes it go to system tray - i think it should become focused instead
[10:48] <Nightrose> seele: EgS: Sput: amarok and ktorrent do it that way already
[10:48] <Nightrose> kopete does the same as quassel
[10:48] <Nightrose> that inconsistency is kinda annoying
[10:50] <Sput> well kmail does the same too
[10:50] <Sput> so I'd call it pretty consistent
[10:51] <Nightrose> well amarok and ktorrent do it differently and the right way imho ;-)
[10:51] <Nightrose> but i'd like to hear seele's opinion on that
[10:51]  * Sput wonders if we have HIG for that
[10:55]  * jussi01 waves
[12:09] <seele> Nightrose: there was a whole big thread on what the default action of a service icon should be
[12:09] <seele> Nightrose: add it to the usability meeting page and maybe we'll fix it on saturday :)
[12:09] <Nightrose> seele: i am not sure i can attend the meeting yet
[12:10] <seele> ah.. well add it to the list anyway :)
[12:10] <Nightrose> ok
[12:22] <Nightrose> seele: done
[12:37] <seele> Nightrose: thanks
[13:56] <a|wen> Riddell: do you need to do something special when packaging kde4 apps with regards to translations; or is kde4.mk handling that automagically?
[13:57] <ScottK> a|wen: kde4.mk should handle it fine.
[13:58] <a|wen> ScottK: thx ... that was what i hoped for
[14:00] <Riddell> yes, kde4.mk should do the making of .pot files
[14:00] <a|wen> hmm, all those icons is kind of a mess ... what do we do when they have icons with the same name in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/... ?
[14:02] <a|wen> who wins the right of the icon name ... and do we have any way of detecting icon clashes with other packages?
[14:03] <Riddell> a|wen: in general icons shouldn't go into hicolor
[14:03] <Riddell> they should go into oxygen or whatever theme they come from
[14:04] <a|wen> Riddell: i see ... but seems that neither kile nor dolphin are following that one completely :/
[14:05] <Riddell> "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/actions/preview.png"  hmm, that's not right
[14:05] <Riddell> a|wen: I take it kile has one with the same name?
[14:06] <a|wen> Riddell: exactly
[14:07] <Riddell> a|wen: this is a KDE 4 kile?
[14:08] <a|wen> Riddell: it is the kde4 kile to be ... but afaik only bug fixing should be remaining
[14:08] <Riddell> a|wen: just don't install the icon then and it'll use the one from dolphin
[14:09] <Riddell> we can get upstream to fix it in the future
[14:09] <a|wen> Riddell: okay, good ... but in general neither of the packages should have that file, right?
[14:10] <Riddell> a|wen: right
[14:10]  * smarter waves
[14:11] <Riddell> they should either be installed globally as oxygen icons or in /usr/share/apps/kde4/<app>
[14:11] <Riddell> shtylman: I merged your KApplication change to ubiquity trunk
[14:12] <a|wen> okay, thanks for enlightening me
[14:13] <Riddell> shtylman: "from PartitionsBarKde import *" i don't see the source for that
[14:13] <Riddell> rgreening: do you think we should get qt 4.5 in before feature freeze?
[14:15] <shtylman> Riddell: yea, I am migrating to new partition bar display so its not there yet
[14:15] <shtylman> Riddell: should be committed before the end of the day
[14:15] <shtylman> the bars are a closer match to the gtk interface
[14:16] <shtylman> there were also some timezine map changes, those should be in there
[14:19] <Riddell> shtylman: sweet, let me know when it's good to try out
[14:23] <Lure> Riddell: why kde4 in /usr/share/apps/kde4/<app> ?
[14:23]  * Lure is just trying to resolve digikam icon mess
[14:25] <Lure> Riddell: why kde4 in /usr/share/apps/kde4/<app> ?
[14:25]  * Lure is just trying to resolve digikam icon mess
[14:25] <rgreening> Riddell: I think we need to be prepared for a FFE
[14:25] <Lure> Riddell: can you comment on this http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-devel/2009-February/026587.html as it seems you know about icons? ;-)
[14:25] <rgreening> Riddell: the palsma team has some work/cleanup to do and Im guessing that'll be 4.2.1
[14:25]  * Lure remembers that Riddell drove mass-rename of oxygen in early kde 4
[14:26] <rgreening> and 4.2.1 will be qt4.5.0 compat
[14:26] <rgreening> and possibly a requirement
[14:28]  * JontheEchidna doubts it'd be required
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> in #plasma or on the plasma-devel ml they said to mind not to use Qt 4.5 features in the 4.2 branch
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> But I'd say go for it!
[14:29] <Riddell> 4.5 won't be required for KDE 4.2 but it will help (makes things faster) and it will be required for e.g. KOffice
[14:29] <Riddell> Lure: @commit both Digikam and Showfoto icon also to Oxygen (trunk and
[14:29] <Riddell> branches/4.2 to get it in 4.2.1 and newer"
[14:30] <Riddell> Lure: I disagree with that, app icons should be distributed with the app (and installed to hicolour)
[14:32] <Riddell> Lure: apps should either install their own icons to /usr/share/kde4/apps/<app> or install to /usr/share/icons/oxygen and be very careful that they don't overlap icon names from other apps
[14:32] <rgreening> Riddell: I've got commit rights to packagekit.org now.
[14:32] <rgreening> oh my
[14:32] <Riddell> rgreening: elite!
[14:33] <rgreening> Riddell: well, I guess it helps ot work with upstream :)
[14:33] <rgreening> so now I can help influence things in a more user friendly way
[14:33] <Riddell> rgreening: if I want to get qt 4.5 uploaded, what's the package I should start from?
[14:34] <rgreening> Riddell: however, I think I'll need a FFE for the Kpackagekit changes....
[14:34] <rgreening> Riddell: don't use my qt4.5 build (yet). there are some issues I have in packaging.
[14:34] <rgreening> give me a couple of hours to go over it again and I'll upload a new one
[14:35] <Riddell> rgreening: ok but don't let me distract you from kpackagekit if you're making progress with that :)
[14:35] <Riddell> rdieter: do you really think sesame is buildable from source?  have you tried?  that build system is nuts
[14:36] <rdieter> Riddell: it *is* nuts, but I've been told by our java folk that it is possible, with a lot of pain and suffering.
[14:37] <Riddell> rdieter: but the build system downloads > 100 binary .jar files
[14:37]  * JontheEchidna really hopes the Virtuoso soprano backend is ready in soprano 2.3
[14:37] <rdieter> uh huh, java blows, no argument.  we've got many/most of them in fedora already... but a lot of remaining work to do.
[14:37] <Riddell> rdieter: to build it in a free software way you'd need to package everyone of those, then hack the sesame build system to use the packaged version
[14:37] <rgreening> Riddell: np. I will likely need a FFE though. I cannot see getting the pieces together fro the 19th... just so you are prepared
[14:38] <Riddell> rgreening: I think I might look favourably on your FFE request :)
[14:38] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. ty
[14:38] <rdieter> Riddell: us distro folk need to gang-up and picket/protest (shrug, too late for kde-4.2.0, what's done is done)
[14:41] <Riddell> rdieter: binary blobs in KDE SVN should never be acceptable, I'm amending the licencing policy to make that clear.  I've no idea why mandriva and suse have accepted them into their distro
[14:42] <rdieter> Riddell: +1
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> agreed
[15:19] <Lure> Riddell: digikam has own icons here: /usr/share/kde4/apps/digikam/icons/hicolor
[15:19] <Lure> Riddell: so oxygen looking icons should go to /usr/share/kde4/apps/digikam/icons/oxygen ?
[15:19] <Lure> Riddell: or you suggest to drop hicolor/oxygen dir alltogether
[15:20] <Lure> Riddell: re app icons: what if user is using tango theme which does not have icon for digikam? there should be some fallback
[15:22] <rgreening> Riddell: myself and Richard Hugues just hashed out an Application Installer Framework to be a new common base for all distros to be able to support an Applications view via packagekit.
[15:22]  * Lure hates this irc drops... :-(((
[15:33] <Riddell> rgreening: gosh
[15:33] <Riddell> rgreening: using app-install-data?
[15:34] <rgreening> Riddell: not entirely sure. I think we may be able ot make it disappear
[15:34] <rgreening> Riddell: we'll have a sqlite db with appropriate details
[15:35] <Riddell> rgreening: well it'll need to get the list of selected applications from somewhere, and app-install data includes icons and translations, which are pretty friendly things to have
[15:35] <Riddell> that has to be populated somehow
[15:35] <rgreening> Riddell: yeah, I think a new package will be built to supercede this one but contain similar details.
[15:36] <rgreening> Riddell: still hashing out the general specification. Then it comes down to implementation.
[15:36] <rgreening> Riddell: or there may be opportunity to merge....
[16:04] <a|wen> hmm, has anyone else had problems with kde4.mk and single-binary source packages?
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> nope, most of all the universe plasmoids are single-binary
[16:06] <a|wen> strange ... it builds to debian/<pkg-name> but dh_install looks in debian/tmp
[16:07] <a|wen> when i specify DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR = debian/<pkg-name> it tries to dh_install twice
[16:07] <yuriy> what do you guys think of having a knetworkmanager hugday to go along and coincide with the nm-applet one?
[16:07] <yuriy> (hooray for break)
[16:07] <yuriy> bbs
[16:08] <Riddell> a|wen: if it's a single binary you don't need a .install file
[16:08] <Riddell> a|wen: it'll just install to debian/<pkg-name> so no further copying needed
[16:08] <a|wen> Riddell: oh, can i specify a "don't install this file" somewhere then?
[16:08] <Riddell> yuriy: knetworkmanager isn't on the CD any more, and plasma-widget-network-manager has plenty of bugs but upstream is aware of htem
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> what are we going to do with knetworkmanager bugs now that we have the plasma widget?
[16:09] <Riddell> a|wen: probably easist to just rm the file in a custom debian/rule
[16:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: close them! :)
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> Come to think of it, we should probably close most of the Qt3 bugs that definitely are upstream issues
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> such as crashes
[16:10] <a|wen> okay, thought it was better using a .install file then ... but i'll just go with the rm
[16:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Close them wontfix?
[16:15]  * JontheEchidna was thinking that
[16:15] <ScottK> I think that's reasonable.
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> Especially since Qt stopped work on Qt3 a long time ago
[16:26] <ScottK> Riddell: In addition to pkg-kde-tools (which I suggest we don't backport quite yet), we need libmsn-dev libkexiv2-7-dev libphonon-dev in intrepid-backports.
[16:27] <a|wen> ScottK: what are we preparing to backport?
[16:28] <Riddell> we have to have pkg-kde-tools in backports, the 4.2 packages all use it
[16:28] <ScottK> a|wen: kde 4.2.0
[16:28] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Maybe it just hadn't built yet.  A number of packages hit depwait for the lack.
[16:28] <a|wen> ScottK: oh, are we sure about that ... it is indeed more crashy than all of 4.1.[2-4]
[16:29] <ScottK> a|wen: It's backports ....
[16:30] <a|wen> ScottK: still ... many have backports enabled as "standard"
[16:31] <a|wen> is it a replacement for kubuntu-experimental? or what should the gain be?
[16:31] <ScottK> a|wen: Sure.  Well talk to Riddell.
[16:31] <ScottK> It is.
[16:31] <mariusbd> Hi I'm trying to rebuild gwenview from source, as I would like to change some things in the source. My problem is with how to exactly build the package for gwenview. If I do a apt-get source gwenview, I get the source for the full kdegraphics set and if I try to rebuild that It gives me an error. So my question is: how do I 'just' compile gwenview and create a deb from it
[16:31] <mariusbd> I'm on kubuntu intrepid btw
[16:31] <ScottK> mariusbd: You don't.
[16:32] <ScottK> It's part of kdegraphics and so you need to build the whole thing.
[16:32] <mariusbd> ok so that is not such a problem apart from that taking much more time.
[16:32] <mariusbd> so what is the correv
[16:32] <a|wen> ScottK / Riddell: i was trying to figure out what we were achieving to gain from backporting 4.2.0?
[16:33] <mariusbd> sorry, so what is the correct way of building it 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b' gives an error for me
[16:33] <ScottK> What error?
[16:34] <mariusbd> hmm something kicked me off apparently. Did you get my last question?
[16:34] <Riddell> a|wen: that's where it belongs, it's stable (by upstreams definition) software and we want users to be able to get it
[16:34] <ScottK> mariusbd:  What error?
[16:36] <mariusbd> hang on I'm rebuilding now.
[16:36] <a|wen> Riddell: i suppose we want a subset of the users to get it for broader testing ... and there is quite a difference between the stability .0 and the .2/3/4 versions from upstream in any case
[16:36] <mariusbd> is dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b -j5 the correct line to do it?
[16:36] <mariusbd> I have a 4 core cpu
[16:37]  * Riddell uses  debuild
[16:37] <ScottK> mariusbd: I doubt the -j5 will have a happy ending.
[16:37] <mariusbd> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/libkolourpaint_lgpl.so.4.1.0': No such file or directory
[16:39] <a|wen> Riddell: the question is if backports is too wide a subset ... (some people think that even the ppa+promotion is too wide)
[16:40]  * markey waits for "the return of the apache logger"
[16:40] <markey> new action film
[16:40] <markey> that could happen tonight
[16:40] <markey> if harald finds some time, he told me this morning
[16:40] <markey> cause I still couldn't figure out my package building foo
[16:40] <ScottK> mariusbd: Try it without the -j5
[16:40] <markey> meh
[16:41] <Riddell> a|wen: it's exactly what backports is intended for, access to the latest upstream versions
[16:41] <markey> and I got his phone number, so I could also call him
[16:42] <Riddell> mariusbd: maybe the version number changed or you miss a dependency it needs, you can rm debian/kolourpaint4.install if you don't care about that package and use  debuild -nc  to restart without rebuilding everything
[16:42] <mariusbd> ScottK yea I was already trying that, it takes 4 times as long you know ;P
[16:42] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so I thin,k we are going to merge some stuff into app-install-data. I need glatzor to discuss this with. Then we implement a BE Application Filter in packagekit that talks to a db of cached desktop stuff from app-install-data. The FE then would apply the Application filter and all is well :)
[16:43] <ScottK> mariusbd: Yes, but I don't think the KDE packages support parallel builds.
[16:43] <mariusbd> Riddell: debuild is run withou options initially right?
[16:44] <rgreening> glatzor: ping. we need to chat when you have time.
[16:44] <Riddell> ScottK: you should go to akademy, those fifty node icecream clusters with make -j50 are always fun :)
[16:44] <Riddell> mariusbd: I don't use any
[16:44] <a|wen> Riddell: that's right, but pushing 4.2.0 is a somewhat larger scale than normally ... i'm just a bit split about if it is the best thing to do
[16:44] <rgreening> Riddell: FYI - <hughsie> rgreening, glatzor: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/packagekit/plain/docs/app-install-v1.draft
[16:46] <rgreening> Riddell: I would appreciate any feedback on that as we are planning on meeting again to discuss further.
[16:47] <mariusbd> Riddell: the -nc lets me compile over without cleaning right? so that will probably keep my code/compile/try cycle a bit shorter.
[16:47] <mariusbd> aany other tips to speed that cycle up?
[16:48] <mariusbd> hmm shame, still getting cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/libkolourpaint_lgpl.so.4.1.0': No such file or directory even without -j5 and with using debuild
[16:48] <Riddell> mariusbd: you can also run  dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing  to check that the .install files match up to what exists
[16:48] <Riddell> mariusbd: look in debian/tmp//usr/lib/ and see what exists
[16:49] <Riddell> then either fix kolourpaint.install or just remove it if you don't care about it
[16:49] <mariusbd> the dh_install gives me the same error
[16:49] <mariusbd> ah I do have libkolourpaint_lgpl.so.4.2.0
[16:50] <mariusbd> instead of  libkolourpaint_lgpl.so.4.1.0
[16:51] <mariusbd> changed that in debian/kolourpaint4.install lets see if that works
[16:52] <ScottK> mariusbd: Then you're trying to mix KDE 4.1 and 4.2 stuff and that's definitely not supported.
[16:53] <mariusbd> ScottK I'm not trying to mix anything, that mention to libkolourpaint_lgpl.so.4.1.0 is part of a file that is in the extracted and unchanged 'debian/kolourpaint4.install' file
[16:53] <rgreening> Riddell: how does KDE convert the Categories in a desktop file to the catergories shown in the KMenu
[16:54] <Riddell> rgreening: by following the XDG menu spec, files are in /usr/share/desktop-directories/  and /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu
[16:54] <ScottK> mariusbd: libkolourpaint_lgpl.so.4.2.0 is KDE4.2 and you've got the KDE 4.1 package you're trying to build.
[16:55] <mariusbd> o in fact I just realize that I'm running kde4.2 on intrepid using the ppa experimental
[16:55] <rgreening> glatzor: I think we could add a build script to the existing app-install-data to build the db at build time. That should be simple with the draft spec.
[16:55] <mariusbd> so I could be mixing up things
[16:55] <rgreening> Riddell: ty.
[16:56] <davmor2> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/309482 looks like it's kwin.
[17:01] <mariusbd> hmm aparently I forgot to add the deb-src line for that ppa repo. Starting over, hang on... stupid me
[17:12] <mariusbd> how do I stop it from failing on debsign?
[17:13] <Riddell> mariusbd: -us -uc, but if it gets to debsign that's fine, it's the last thing and failing to sign isn't a problem if you don't need to upload it
[17:21] <a|wen> anyone wants to tryout kile kde4 version? https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive/ppa
[17:21] <a|wen> ... or will arrive after building
[17:24] <a|wen> Riddell: i'm not entirely sure if we want the kile snapshot. just my 5 minute test revealed a few minor problems; and it keeps crashing on exit ... but maybe someone else wants to test out and come with an opinion
[17:25] <ScottK> a|wen: I think if you're willing to sign up for the package bug reports and push stuff upstream, if it basically works, we should do it.
[17:26] <rgreening> is the multiple notification problem being addressed?
[17:28] <Riddell> rgreening: what problem is that?
[17:28] <a|wen> ScottK: i'm already receiving bugmail for the package; and i seem to be able to write/compile/preview, so basic works
[17:28] <ScottK> Excellent.  Then I'd say go for it.
[17:31] <a|wen> sounds reasonable ... maybe i should try to get contact to the maintainer as well
[17:32] <mariusbd> Ok so the build now succeeds, I'm going to try to change the code and compile that
[17:32] <mariusbd> thank you for helping out so far!
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> mariusbd: here's a tip, if the modifications fail you can fix it, then do a debuild -us -uc -nc to rebuild it without having to redo the whole thing
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> -nc is the no-clean option, which prevents it from doing a make-clean
[17:36] <rgreening> Riddell: well, I download a file and I am getting two notifiy boxes. I have 4 IM services defined, and when one contact comes online via one IM service, I get 4 notifications for it. Kope MSN goes offline, and I get double notification.
[17:36] <rgreening> any one else seeing that?
[17:36] <rgreening> this is a fairly fresh install with only updates applied and nothing freakish
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> could be bug 327183
[17:37] <a|wen> rgreening: i had it on my intrepid+kde4 at some point (at least double download, kopete did it right); but it disappeared a little time ago
[17:37] <mariusbd> JontheEchidna: yea Riddell said that before, but thank you for the tip!
[17:38] <rgreening> I'm going to do my updates and reboot.
[17:46] <Tscheesy> ScottK: do you know more? Is the daily Build for lpia-Architecture comming into http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/ ?? and if - when about approx.?
[17:48] <a|wen> ScottK: is there an easy way to make a -dbg package from the kde4 module as well?
[17:52] <ScottK> Tscheesy: I've asked.  AFAIK there is no decision yet.
[17:52] <ScottK> a|wen: Just add the -dbg to debian/control and the rest is magic.
[17:52] <a|wen> oh, über cool ... thx, will try :)
[17:52] <Tscheesy> ScottK:  ok.. gona take a look regulary then - thanks
[18:02] <Riddell> apachelogger!
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> A wild apachelogger appears!
[18:02]  * a|wen waves to apachelogger
[18:04]  * ScottK waves to apachelogger too.
[18:23]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell, JontheEchidna, a|wen, ScottK and everyone else
[18:25]  * a|wen adds the first patch to the kile package, and starts writing a mail for upstream
[18:25] <Mamarok> apachelogger: joined your fanclub today :)
[18:26] <Tm_T> apachelogger: not me I hope
[18:26]  * Tm_T is happy about her lack of information what is going on
[18:26] <apachelogger> Tm_T: of course not :P
[18:26] <apachelogger> Mamarok: \o/ *uberhug*
[18:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: how's the new job?
[18:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: exhausting ... but fun :)
[18:31] <apachelogger> getting up at 6am is just too painful
[18:31] <Riddell> we're all very proud of you for not taking the kill people option
[18:32] <Tm_T> so apachelogger is doing civilservice or kind?
[18:33] <apachelogger> Tm_T: aye, geriatric care
[18:34] <Riddell> civilian service
[18:34] <Tm_T> roger
[18:34]  * Tm_T was on guerilla forces in her youth
[18:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is difficult ;-) but I cam to understand that one way or another the result of life is always the same anyway ;-)
[18:35] <Tm_T> or what is the proper term, anyway
[18:35] <Tm_T> unarmed I was, ofcourse (:
[18:38] <Riddell> not much of a gurilla force if its unarmed
[18:38] <Tm_T> well, I was unarmed, not the rest
[18:39] <Tm_T> I did have personal weapon, but I never used it
[18:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyway, in austria the killing people is not really happening ... well unless someone thinkins attacking austria might be a good idea, which would highly insane itself ... so the only use case of our army is assistance after natural disasters, and even of those we don't have a whole lot
[18:41] <Tm_T> apachelogger: my home is ~100 km from Russian border, and it's ~50 years since they came over last time
[18:42] <apachelogger> Tm_T: one would think russia is big enough as it is ;-)
[18:42]  * ScottK can imagine that border might make one a bit nervous these days.
[18:42] <Tm_T> apachelogger: tell that to Stalin =)
[18:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: One might be wrong ...
[18:42] <Tm_T> ScottK: last time they got military aircraft breaking our border last summer
[18:44] <jussi01> oooh, its an apachelogger :D
[18:45]  * jussi01 waves
[18:49]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[18:52]  * apachelogger hugs jussi01 and Nightrose
[18:53] <rgreening> does Kopete have webcam now? I know the driver is working and I can see the webcam in kopete, just no way to activate it within a chat (using WLM)
[18:58] <rgreening> I think WLM doesn't support send/view webcam.
[19:09] <rgreening> dam. libmsn 4.0 is still missing that, that's why... oh well
[19:12] <Mamarok> I have a packaging issue, could somebody help me?
[19:14] <Mamarok> I want to add the backports to the pbuilder, logged in with sudo pbuilder login –save-after-login
[19:14] <Mamarok> changed the sources list, then apt-get update, exit, sudo pbuilder update
[19:15] <Mamarok> but when I log back in, the backports line in the sources.list is gone and I still have the old cmake version
[19:21] <ScottK> That should work.
[19:24] <jussi01> Mamarok: dont you add components into the pbuilderrc file? or am I way out of it and they have changed it. (Havent touched that stuff for ages)
[19:29] <Mamarok> jussi01: no, I didn't touch the pbuilderrc
[19:31] <jussi01> Mamarok: I serious dont remeber exactly, Im guessing its best to ask that in #ubuntu-motu
[19:32] <davmor2> Guys I've made up an .img file of a usb live boot in I386 for netbooks.  Acer Aspire One tested.   The only issue is wifi which needs a reboot.  You need at least 2 gig of space on a pendrive.  Image available from http://www.davmor2.co.uk/kubnb-i386.img just use sudo dd if=kubnb-i386.img of=/dev/sdb1  Fingers Crossed it should work fine
[19:32] <Mamarok> jussi01: well, I removed the *.tgz from /var/cche pbuilder and recreated a new pbuilder
[19:33] <jussi01> Mamarok: and that fixed it?
[19:33] <ScottK-desktop> rgreening: See davmor2's post ^^^
[19:33] <Mamarok> well, building now, we will see...
[19:34] <ScottK-desktop> Tscheesy: You too ^^^
[19:35] <jussi01> Mamarok: my memory goes like this: edit the /etc/pbuilderrc file, then "sudo pbuilder update --override-config" BUT, thats just my memory from a good while back.
[19:35] <Tscheesy> davmor2: ; ScottK-desktop : nice
[19:36] <markey> apachelogger:
[19:36] <markey> The following packages have unmet dependencies:                                                                                 pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: amarok-libmysqlclient-dev which is a virtual package.
[19:36] <markey> is the current error we get after redoing the pbuilder blah
[19:36] <Mamarok> ok, now I have a pbuilder-blabla-dummy package that is to remove, where do I find that?
[19:36] <apachelogger> markey: you need to install the package as described in AW.pdf
[19:36] <markey> ok
[19:36]  * markey looks
[19:37] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the package is installed
[19:37] <markey> apachelogger: you mean this one:
[19:37] <markey> dpkg -i amarok-libmysqlclient-dev*deb
[19:37] <markey> ?
[19:37] <apachelogger> well, and the stuff before and after ;-)
[19:37] <davmor2> Tscheesy: I've tried it my end and it seems to be fine coping back and forth let me know if you have an issues and I'll ping people with more knowledge to fix it :)
[19:38] <Mamarok> apachelogger: did everything, believe me, where does this dummy package comes from?
[19:38] <Mamarok> or better, where is it so I can remove it?
[19:38] <apachelogger> Mamarok: from pbuilder it is just used to resolve the deps ... nevermind the dummy
[19:38] <apachelogger> just ensure the deps can be resolved :P
[19:38]  * markey will so totally script all this foo in ruby, once this works
[19:39] <markey> I never want to deal with this again
[19:39] <markey> *yikes*
[19:39] <markey> the 90s are calling, they want their debian package building back
[19:39] <markey> :p
[19:39] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I give up, did this a bazillion times, I seriously consider going to a distro with rpm, far easier to build
[19:39] <Tscheesy> davmor2: first to size a 2 GB partition on a stick.. i've only larger or smaller ones.. is it vFat? then i coul'd it place in front of something different..
[19:40] <Mamarok> why does this have to be so complicated?
[19:40] <markey> nvm, priority is now to get it done
[19:40] <markey> then we script it, and start shooting people
[19:40] <markey> :)
[19:40] <Mamarok> I'm sure there is an easier way, nobody ever did some helpful scripts for that?
[19:41] <davmor2> Tscheesy: mine was a 1.8 gig partition on a 4 gig drive.  dd will overwrite whatever is there.  So you'll be better off making a copy of whats on there and then you can transfer it back after
[19:42] <Tscheesy> one coul let free space on the stick and fill up the Rest with a Partition i think
[19:43] <apachelogger> Mamarok: debuild -us -uc
[19:44] <davmor2> Tscheesy: The usb booting thing is a bit temperamental feel free to try it by all means :)
[19:45] <Tscheesy> davmor2: ;) - download-time-to-go: 6.5h  :o
[19:45] <markey> ok here goes: €50 for the person who solves this mess for me until tomorrow
[19:46] <markey> preferrably with a solution that I can repeat myself
[19:46] <markey> I'm fed up.
[19:46] <davmor2> Tscheesy: Yes sorry not the fastest upload :( and it is nearly 2 gig
[19:46] <markey> time is money, and during that time I'm losing with freaking package building I could do actual work
[19:46] <davmor2> Right my good deed is done so I'm off now
[19:47] <Tscheesy> davmor2: easy.. perhaps Canonical is faster with the Release of a new dail-live-build ?
[19:48] <rgreening> apachelogger: hellllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooo!
[19:48] <Quintasan> hi everyone
[19:50] <rgreening> hey Quintasan
[19:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: btw, both repo lines I added to the sources.list in the pbuilder have disappeared
[19:56] <Mamarok> so somewhere I have missed something, but it's really getting over my head
[19:56] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you sure there's not something missing in the AW.pdf?
[20:00] <apachelogger> quite much so
[20:00] <apachelogger> Mamarok: just run debuild -us -uc in the actual source tree for now
[20:00] <apachelogger> it will build a deb outside pbuilder
[20:00] <apachelogger> I wouldn't use that as a long-term option though
[20:01] <Quintasan> 9.04 will include pulse?
[20:02] <Mamarok> apachelogger: well, I get new errors with that :(
[20:03] <Mamarok> markey: could you past the errors plz?
[20:03] <markey> debuild: fatal error at line 1329:
[20:03] <markey> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc failed
[20:03] <apachelogger> markey: before that
[20:04] <markey> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: amarok-libmysqlclient-dev
[20:04] <markey> dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[20:04] <Mamarok> apachelogger: did you read what I said above? the two repo lines are gone again!
[20:04] <apachelogger> markey: install that package
[20:04] <apachelogger> and amarok-libmysqlclient
[20:04] <apachelogger> Mamarok: that doesn't affect debuild
[20:04] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I *did* install it FYI
[20:05] <markey> iDunno (TM)
[20:06] <markey> Mamarok handled it all
[20:06] <markey> she knows more about ubuntu foo than me
[20:08] <Riddell> sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login
[20:08] <Riddell> needs two -- ^^
[20:10] <Riddell> of course you only need pbuilder if you want to check that the package is suitable for a build server, if you just want some packages to ues yourself compiling on the normal filesystem is fine
[20:10] <Mamarok> Riddell: I'm pretty sure I did type it correctly, according to my bash history
[20:11] <Riddell> Mamarok: when you log out of the pbuilder does it say "-> creating base tarball [/var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz]" ?
[20:11] <markey> we need a *.deb package
[20:11] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes it did
[20:11] <Mamarok> anyway, I nuked the whole var/cache/pbuilder and try again from the beginning
[20:12] <Riddell> markey: doesn't sound like it needs pbuilder to me, just run debulid
[20:12] <a|wen> is this statement valid in a changelog: (LP: #272837, #181228) or should it be slipt up?
[20:12] <markey> Riddell: well, nice to hear, and how do I do this?
[20:12] <Riddell> markey: in the source run  debuild
[20:12] <Riddell> markey: it should build
[20:13] <Riddell> if it has build-depends that need installed it'll moan and you can install them
[20:13] <markey> ok, will try
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: I believe each bug closed needs to have its own (LP: #)
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> or else it won't work
[20:14] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: okay ... i'll go the secure way then :)
[20:14] <a|wen> thx
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> np
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nah
[20:14] <apachelogger> a|wen: correct syntax that is
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> hmm, well at least I got that info from somebody else, which makes it totally not my fault :P
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> Any core-dev around that could look in to sponsoring bug 296433?
[20:15] <a|wen> apachelogger: yay :)
[20:20] <markey> Riddell: well, so far it seems to build ...
[20:45] <Quintasan> hmm I can't get to the partitioning screen in ubiquity, it scans for file systems but it doesn't show up :S
[20:47] <a|wen> a new kile with greatly improved packaging avaible in https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive/ppa after building ...
[20:48] <a|wen> ScottK: i'm just going to check that that it works and see if there is more bugs to close while at it; I will have a debdiff sometime tomorrow
[20:48] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/39e9GWLf.html  <-- it looks like this
[20:49] <ScottK> Excellent
[20:50] <a|wen> ScottK: i've sent a nice mail to upstream kile-devel list (including a patch) ... the list seems fairly active, so should be good
[20:50] <ScottK> Great.
[20:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: check in /var/log/installer/*
[20:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: I've tried, it had problems with my ntfs partition.
[20:53] <Quintasan> by the way, anyone here running ext4?
[20:54] <ScottK> rgreening_: ^^ You are, aren't you?
[20:56] <mariusbd> Riddell: , ScottK & JontheEchidna thank you all, it worked, my source has been adapted and my gwenview now allows crop with 16/9 ratio and selects this by default if I crop a picture. Now I can make my wintersport pictures into nicely cut images for my background and TV
[20:57] <mariusbd> (and as a bonus I now understand a lot more about how packages and sources work :P)
[21:09] <a|wen> g'night people ... see you all tomorrow
[21:19] <seele> Riddell: check out lemma's links in #kde-devel at 16:07
[21:25] <seele> maco: is chuck frain on irc
[21:25] <maco> seele: uh...*shrug* i've never talked to him on here
[21:26] <maco> seele: has kmail always failed to properly reconnect to imap after a network interruption, or is this special jaunty stuff?
[21:32] <seele> maco: no, imap has always been a problem
[21:32] <maco> ok
[22:18] <Riddell> ScottK: all this giving back isn't going to work, it's going to take too long for everything to compile with the build priority of 0
[22:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I agree.  I didn't expect the fails.
[22:19] <Riddell> I should start uploading ~intrepid2 just to raise the build priority
[22:19] <NCommander> Riddell, ping
[22:19] <ScottK> Riddell: That or get a buildd admin to do it.
[22:19] <Riddell> NCommander: I appear to be active in this channel :)
[22:20] <NCommander> Riddell, I have a patch for packagekit to fix it on ARM and ports
[22:20] <Riddell> glatzor: ^^
[22:20] <Riddell> actually I can probably submit it too if I remember where it goes
[22:21] <glatzor> Hello Riddell
[22:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Alternatively just let it sit for a bit and I can do retries when the bulidd's are caught up.
[22:23] <NCommander> Riddell, can you merge? (you have write access to that branch)
[22:23] <Riddell> NCommander: yes if you remind me which branch it is
[22:24] <NCommander> Riddell, lp:~packagekit/packagekit/ubuntu-packagekit
[22:24] <Riddell> ScottK: at a build score of zero it can take a good 24 hours to build, that means it'll take forever with our chain of build dependencies
[22:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Last weekend it would have been a snap.
[22:25] <ScottK> I suspect after FF things will catch up and it'll be doable.
[22:25] <Riddell> meh, we should have just copied over from the PPA
[22:26] <NCommander> Riddell, can you copy binaries from a PPA?
[22:26] <Riddell> NCommander: yes
[22:26] <NCommander> Ok
[22:26] <NCommander> I'll upload packagekit to our P3A, and then once/when it builds, ping you to copy the binaries over :-)
[22:26]  * NCommander runs
[22:27] <glatzor> NCommander, could you point me please to your patches?
[22:27] <Riddell> it's not generally a wise idea because of the risk of missing some important binary or some build-depends differing between archives
[22:27] <NCommander> Riddell, oh, nm
[22:27] <NCommander> glatzor, its a one liner to unplug Werror
[22:27] <NCommander> glatzor, I'm posting a bazaar branch
[22:28] <glatzor> NCommander, it is more than a one liner, since this would require to rebuild the configure script
[22:28] <NCommander> glatzor, ok, a source oneliner, and a autogen patch :-P
[22:33] <NCommander> gkiagia, lp:~mcasadevall/packagekit/werror-disabler
[22:43] <glatzor> NCommander, why do we get the warning? is it a gcc issue on arm?
[22:43] <NCommander> glatzor, GCC complains that it needs to change the size of the variables to meet with alignment. The same thing happens on sparc and ia64
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> mmm, konvi-kde4  has the bookmark menu in the right position now
[22:54] <Tm_T> astromme: no
[22:54]  * astromme boggles at Tm_T's speed
[22:54] <Tm_T> what speed?
[22:54] <ScottK> BTW, Quassel 0.4 is released.  I'm working on the package now.
[22:54] <astromme> was that a no to "no there are no Qt 4.5 packages for jaunty"?
[22:55] <astromme> Oh, it was just funny, as I entered the channel you reply to me
[22:55] <Tm_T> astromme: no, it was just random "no" to make you jump back and forth channels (;)
[22:55] <astromme> :P
[22:57] <Riddell> astromme: there might be some in rgreening's PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa
[22:57] <Riddell> dunno what state
[22:57] <astromme> Riddell: I'll hold off for a while then. Is Kubuntu still considering 4.5 for Jaunty?
[22:58] <ScottK> Riddell: It does look like things are starting to catch up.  The backlog is all Universe stuff currently.
[22:59] <Riddell> astromme: yes, I'll probably slip it in in the next day or two
[23:00] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: did not work, I will have another look at it tomorrow
[23:00] <astromme> Riddell: Cool. Looking forwards to it. I've been using 4.5 for a while on my desktop, which doesn't run kubuntu, but I would love to have it on my laptop for testing =)
[23:04] <NCommander> Riddell && glatzor I successfully test built my proposed changes, and I've queued up a test build on ARM and all ports architectures ...
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> anybody up for a quick revu? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5205
[23:08] <Riddell> rgreening: astromme here wants to know the state of your qt 4.5 packages
[23:09]  * astromme perks up
[23:10] <rgreening> should have something uploaded by tomorrow. I am diffing against fabo's debian build.
[23:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: advocated.  one typo and one upstream bug noted
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thx
[23:16] <glatzor> NCommander, I opened a merge request for your branch
[23:17] <NCommander> glatzor, thank you
[23:18] <glatzor> NCommander, the autogen patch is completely unreadable and therefor cannot be accpeted
[23:18] <NCommander> glatzor, er, that's usually how running autoreconf does, and that's why that patch exists ...
[23:19] <glatzor> NCommander, it is better to upload a changed source tarball or to run autogen during build time
[23:19] <NCommander> glatzor, with respect, I disagree ...
[23:19] <NCommander> That can cause a hell of a lot more issues then you realize.
[23:26] <NCommander> Riddell, do you know what packages need rescoring help?
[23:27] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ buildd admin that can rescore ....
[23:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel 0.4.0 is uploaded, so that can be marked "Done" for Feature Freeze.
[23:29] <ScottK> NCommander: It starts with pkg-kde-tools
[23:30] <Riddell> pkg-kde-tools is done
[23:30] <ScottK> Riddell: It needs New done to it.
[23:30] <Riddell> NCommander: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/phonon/4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1  and  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/akonadi/1.1.1-0ubuntu2~intrepid2
[23:31] <Riddell> ScottK: it was Newed ages ago but it went into universe http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/pkg-kde-tools/
[23:31] <NCommander> they're already scored to 0 ...
[23:31] <NCommander> (or phonon is)
[23:32] <Riddell> ScottK: I seem to mind you saying main and universe don't matter for backports but I've moved them to main now just incase
[23:32] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  In theory they don't, but it's happened that it did before.
[23:32] <Riddell> NCommander: mm hmm, we'd like them scored a little higher so there's a chance it'll build this century
[23:32] <NCommander> Oh wait
[23:32] <NCommander> rescoring
[23:32] <NCommander> Rescored
[23:32] <Riddell> thanks
[23:33] <ScottK> Riddell: OK, well LP is foobar then because it still shows them as new.
[23:33] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/pkg-kde-tools/0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1
[23:33] <ScottK> Weird.
[23:35] <ScottK> Riddell: The second copy still shows up in the New queue too https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue
[23:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Accept/Reject/Leave it be because who knows WTF will happen?
[23:42] <NCommander> glatzor, having a patch with the autoconf changes is how the desktop team do it, and repacking isn't an option.
[23:47] <Riddell> ScottK: is ACCEPTED now
[23:51] <ScottK> xcellent