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| henkjan | !schedule | 15:34 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 15:34 |
| kirkland | o/ | 15:59 |
| kirkland | o\ | 15:59 |
| sommer | yo | 15:59 |
| nijaba | \o | 15:59 |
| * mathiaz waves | 16:00 | |
| nealmcb | \o | 16:00 |
| ScottK | o\ | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | let's get the server team meeting started | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| Koon | o~ | 16:01 |
| nijaba | ~o~ | 16:01 |
| soren | !"#¤ | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | once everyone stopped dancing we can proceed to today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090210 | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Update ServerGuide for Jaunty | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Update ServerGuide for Jaunty | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | sommer: how is doc.ubuntu.com going? | 16:03 |
| sommer | mathiaz: well, most of the new sections are done | 16:04 |
| sommer | mathiaz: and most of the bugs are fixed | 16:04 |
| sommer | some reviews would be cool :) | 16:04 |
| sommer | mathiaz: I did have a question about the OpenLDAP DIT? | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | sommer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyServerGuide lists all the sections that needs review | 16:05 |
| sommer | yep | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | sommer: what's your question about the DIT? | 16:06 |
| sommer | mathiaz: is it going to be part of the slapd package? or I guess how is the base going to be setup? | 16:06 |
| mathiaz | sommer: for jaunty nothing changes | 16:06 |
| sommer | mathiaz: because I think it should simplify the ldap section | 16:07 |
| mathiaz | sommer: I'll try to get a new upstream version of openldap uploaded before FF | 16:07 |
| sommer | mathiaz: oh, I thought there was going to be something | 16:07 |
| mathiaz | sommer: well - nothing more than what was already there | 16:07 |
| mathiaz | sommer: ie a very basic tree structure. | 16:07 |
| sommer | mathiaz: I see, that works... answers my question, thanks | 16:08 |
| mathiaz | sommer: great. Anything else apart asking for reviews of the new sections? | 16:09 |
| sommer | mathiaz: nope, that should be it | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | sommer: oh - is doc.ubuntu.com up-to-date? | 16:10 |
| sommer | mathiaz: ah, I don't think it is yet, but I did hear back from mdke and he's working on it | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | sommer: ok great. | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | let's move on. | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Postfix and Dovecot integration | 16:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Postfix and Dovecot integration | 16:11 |
| ivoks | right on time :) | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: good work on that one. | 16:11 |
| lamont | \o/ | 16:11 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: it's not done yet :) | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: there are still some things to be fixed | 16:11 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: we have one bug and couple of issues | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | A post on the ubuntuserver blog has been published: http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/an-improved-mail-server-stack-in-jaunty-dovecot-and-postfix-integration/ | 16:11 |
| ivoks | i've prepared a debdiff, but i would like a review on it, since this is my first binary-indep package | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | lamont: ScottK: do you have comments on the new dovecot-postfix package? | 16:12 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: I haven't had a chance to really look at it. | 16:12 |
| lamont | ditto | 16:12 |
| ivoks | don't, untill new version is uploaded :) | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: attach it to a bug, and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsor to ask for sponsorship | 16:12 |
| ivoks | will do | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: apart from testing is there anything else to be done on this topic for jaunty? | 16:13 |
| ivoks | not really | 16:14 |
| ivoks | there are plans for jaunty+1, but that's another story | 16:14 |
| ivoks | since we are in FF | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: sure - where are these plan kept? | 16:14 |
| ivoks | nowhere atm | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: is there a wiki page somehwere? | 16:14 |
| ivoks | not yet | 16:14 |
| ivoks | basicaly, integrating amavis with these two | 16:15 |
| ivoks | and myabe having a 'supported' webmail infrastructure | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: ok - it may be worth creating a wiki page under w.u.c/ServerTeam/MailServer | 16:15 |
| ivoks | good idea | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: as a braindump page to keep track of interesting ideas | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: just bullet points - the interesting ideas can then be turned into specs for the next cycle | 16:16 |
| ivoks | right | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] ivoks to create a wiki page for ideas about improving the mail server task | 16:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ivoks to create a wiki page for ideas about improving the mail server task | 16:17 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: ScottK: anything else to report in the mail server area for Jaunty? | 16:17 |
| ivoks | it will rock. | 16:17 |
| ivoks | :) | 16:18 |
| ScottK | It might be worth a mention that dkim-milter now uses unbound for DNS. | 16:18 |
| ScottK | Unbound is a relatively new DNS library that supports DNSSEC. | 16:19 |
| ScottK | Also just as a warning, clamav 0.95 is due out soon. | 16:19 |
| ScottK | It, of course, breaks all the rdepends. | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: hare you blogged about it? IIRC I saw something mentioning about it | 16:20 |
| ScottK | Yes | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: it may have been in the changelog though. | 16:20 |
| ScottK | They promised though that this is the one true interface redesign and they won't have to do it again. | 16:20 |
| ScottK | They've never promised this before. | 16:20 |
| ScottK | So expect some post-FF fun with this one. | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: ok - we'll see how things will turn out. | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | anything else to add on this front? | 16:21 |
| ScottK | In related news clamav 0.94.2 is now available in hardy-backports | 16:21 |
| ScottK | We're about ready to push it to dapper-backports too. | 16:21 |
| ScottK | That's it. | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: great - thanks for the good work! | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: ^^ ! | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Power management | 16:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Power management | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: anything new on this front? | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | ok - kirkland seems to have lost power | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | let's move on | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] virtualization | 16:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: virtualization | 16:24 |
| soren | \o/ | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | soren: what's new there? | 16:24 |
| soren | Lots of stuff going on. We've got a very fresh kvm, libvirt, virt-manager (currently uninstallable due to old virtinst... working on it).. | 16:25 |
| Brazen | yippee | 16:25 |
| soren | ...I'm working on some updates for VMBuilder. Among the new things is support for VMWare ESXi. | 16:25 |
| soren | ..I hope to manage to rework a few things that need some love before FF. One thing I'd like to do is to make it able to build for multiple hypervisors in the same run. | 16:25 |
| soren | Also, we've been pushing a lot of cloud computing stuff. | 16:26 |
| soren | A month ago (or thereabouts), I uploaded OpenNebula, and we're currently working hard to get Eucalyptus uploaded before FeatureFreeze. | 16:26 |
| mathiaz | soren: are there plans to blog about all this new things? | 16:27 |
| soren | Eucalyptus has a lot of Java dependencies, so it has been a bit of a rough ride, but upstream is very happy to work with us and are making excellent progress. | 16:27 |
| soren | mathiaz: Just after featurefreeze, yes. | 16:27 |
| mathiaz | soren: or give an overview about all these new things? | 16:27 |
| soren | Yes. | 16:27 |
| soren | I want people to test all of this much more, so I'll be posting about clever ways you can use OpenNebula for testing (I'd like to work with you on that). | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | soren: awesome - we'll have to wait for next week to get all details then:) | 16:28 |
| soren | I've been a bit hesitant to blog about Eucalyptus, since it's still vapourware. | 16:28 |
| soren | But eucalyptus is in the archive now.. | 16:28 |
| soren | Most of it's build-dependencies are, too, so we're inches away from a usable package :) | 16:29 |
| soren | Koon is doing fantastic work on the Java dependencies. | 16:29 |
| * soren hugs Koon | 16:29 | |
| soren | s/it's/its/ a few lines ago.. | 16:29 |
| soren | Hmm... I think that's all for now. I'll be blogging about stuff as it becomes available. | 16:30 |
| * ivoks claps | 16:30 | |
| mathiaz | soren: awesome. Thanks for giving this short status update. | 16:31 |
| soren | Certainly | 16:31 |
| nealmcb | wow | 16:31 |
| sommer | soren: should we have info in the serverguide about the cloud stuff, or is it mainly ec2 at this point? | 16:31 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: sorry, my network dropped; back now | 16:32 |
| soren | sommer: We definitely should. | 16:33 |
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| zul | we cant mention the ec2-ami-tools in the eucalpytus stuff though | 16:33 |
| soren | sommer: Things should be stabilizing enough within the next week for it to actually make sense to start writing docs for it :) | 16:33 |
| sommer | soren: sounds good, I'll be patient | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | ok - let's move on then | 16:35 |
| sommer | zul: gotcha, we'll just make it generic | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | since we'll have to wait for FF to get a good overview of the new virtualization features in jaunty :) | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Power management | 16:35 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Power management | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: now that you're back - any news on this front? | 16:35 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i have pwrkap and powerman are two new packages, added to the archive today | 16:36 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: powernowd has been added to the server seed, to enable cpu freq scaling by default on ubuntu servers | 16:36 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: pm-utils and ethtool have been added to the server-ship seed, which are what's needed for suspend/hibernate and resume by WoL | 16:37 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: as well as wakeonlan, promoted to main, and on the server-ship seed | 16:37 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i need to write up some instructions on how to test this | 16:37 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i'm interested in feedback on hardware where suspend/hibernate can be verified as working | 16:37 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: hw which is *not* working, i'm interested in that too... but we probably won't focus on fixing those until next cycle | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: great - so the current plan for jaunty is to have powernowd installed by default and all the other suspend/hibernate components available from the cd? | 16:38 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: correct | 16:38 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: suspend is really cool, btw. | 16:38 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: for my home network, i created a ssh wrapper, which pings first to see if alive | 16:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: if not, sends a wakeonlan, waits 3 seconds, and ssh's again | 16:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: my machines wake from suspend when i need them :-) | 16:39 |
| nealmcb | sweet | 16:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: and it only takes about 3 seconds for them to wake up which is lot faster than ~60seconds to boot | 16:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i put a power meter on them too | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: awesome! | 16:40 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: running, they're about 50W-80W (depending on cpu freq, load, hd, cd, etc) | 16:40 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: suspended, they're at about 11w | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: that seems like a good topic for a blog post | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: a good use case for supsend/resume for servers | 16:41 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: cool, will do. | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] kirkland to blog about using suspend/resume for servers | 16:42 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kirkland to blog about using suspend/resume for servers | 16:42 |
| nealmcb | ubuntu - saving energy and the climate! | 16:42 |
| kirkland | penguins | 16:42 |
| nealmcb | lol | 16:42 |
| Brazen | I don't suspend, but I do set hdparm to power down the harddrives... | 16:42 |
| ivoks | my server doesn't do suspend :( | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: did you report it to kirkland ? | 16:43 |
| ivoks | kirkland: fix it | 16:43 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: just did :) | 16:43 |
| kirkland | ivoks: let me set up a wiki page to track this | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: how do you keep track which hw is works/doesn't? | 16:44 |
| kirkland | ivoks: i'll ping you to fill in your info | 16:44 |
| ivoks | kirkland: sure | 16:44 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i'm going to do it by wiki, for starters | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: ok - one wiki page seems a good place to start. | 16:44 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i'll link off of the laptop suspend page | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: ah ok - there is a suspend page for laptop already. | 16:45 |
| ivoks | another way of waking up server is IPMI | 16:45 |
| Brazen | There's also multi-core power savings: 'echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/sched_mc_power_savings' | 16:45 |
| ivoks | any chance to see ipmitool in main? | 16:45 |
| Brazen | and laptop-mode, which I do use on my server: 'echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode' | 16:45 |
| kirkland | ivoks: i'm not too familiar with ipmi | 16:46 |
| ivoks | dell servers support ipmi; i'm not sure about wake on lan | 16:46 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: ipmitools aren't part of openipmi? | 16:46 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: no, ipmitool can use openipmi, but doesn't depend on it (it can use real hardware) | 16:46 |
| mathiaz | apparently no | 16:46 |
| ivoks | openipmi is just support for ipmi on local machine | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: does ipmitool provide cmd lines that openipmi can't? | 16:47 |
| ivoks | ipmitool can be used to connect to other machines | 16:47 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: yes; serial over lan, for example | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: would ipmitool be useful in main? | 16:48 |
| ivoks | with openipmi you can't do anything outside local machine | 16:48 |
| ivoks | they don't exclude each other | 16:48 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: i would definitely think so | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | ok - we can always move ipmitool to main after FF | 16:49 |
| mathiaz | to get started, a MainInclusionReport has to be written | 16:49 |
| ivoks | right, but it's not being developed for 2 years :/ | 16:49 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: hm - right. | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: if upstream is not very active it may not be worth | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: and we can't really do anything about it :/ | 16:50 |
| ivoks | true | 16:50 |
| ivoks | sorry, my bad | 16:50 |
| ivoks | there are new releases | 16:50 |
| ivoks | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipmitool/ | 16:50 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipmitool/ | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: anyway - we can always think about it after FF | 16:50 |
| ivoks | ok | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 16:51 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 16:51 |
| mathiaz | anything else to add? | 16:51 |
| sommer | mathiaz: there was that reply about an Ubuntu Directory Service | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | sommer: right - I was going to reply to point out to the ubuntu-directory@ ml list and LP team | 16:53 |
| sommer | ah, that works :) | 16:53 |
| mathiaz | sommer: and also mention that we're about to enter FF so now is not the most appropriate time to start a discussion for jaunty | 16:53 |
| sommer | true... I didn't have anything else | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | ok - let's move on to the last item on the agenda: | 16:56 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time | 16:57 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | next week, same time, same place? | 16:57 |
| ivoks | + | 16:57 |
| sommer | sure | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | ok - then. | 16:59 |
| mathiaz | see you all next week, same time, same place | 16:59 |
| mathiaz | get ready for FF and make jaunty rock! | 16:59 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:59. | 16:59 |
| nijaba | thanks for hosting mathiaz | 16:59 |
| sommer | later all | 17:00 |
| * smb_tp settles down | 17:01 | |
| pgraner | Hello All! Time for the kernel team meeting | 17:01 |
| pgraner | #startmeeting | 17:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is pgraner. | 17:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:01 |
| * rtg_ waves | 17:01 | |
| * apw phases in ... | 17:01 | |
| * lieb here | 17:02 | |
| * amitk arriveth | 17:02 | |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels | 17:02 |
| smb_tp | Greg keeps me busy. | 17:02 |
| pgraner | Intrepid .... | 17:02 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: how are we looking? | 17:02 |
| smb_tp | Anyhow, for Intrepid I am done with .17 and try to get this uploaded next day before Greg comes with .18 | 17:03 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: when do we hit the 4 month cutoff for Intrepid? | 17:03 |
| smb_tp | End of this month | 17:04 |
| smb_tp | I'd say. | 17:04 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: ok, so .18 might not make it then...? | 17:04 |
| * rtg_ agrees | 17:04 | |
| apw | i think we mooted by beta freeze | 17:04 |
| smb_tp | Not completely no. Depends on the time scale | 17:04 |
| pgraner | smb_tp: how does Hardy look? | 17:04 |
| smb_tp | Also near upload. I added a few things including some xen patches and the vmware tsc updates | 17:05 |
| smb_tp | So this time both hardy and intrepid will bump abi | 17:05 |
| cking | sorry, running late | 17:05 |
| smb_tp | Intrepid again | 17:05 |
| smb_tp | Unfortunately I am still fighting to catch the Aspire bug on Hardy, but this will have to get in after that. Actually by the nature of it it might just resolve itself | 17:06 |
| pgraner | Anythings else for this topic? | 17:06 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Jaunty | 17:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Jaunty | 17:07 |
| pgraner | Reminder Feature Freeze is the 19th (this week) | 17:07 |
| pgraner | I'd like to do a quick rundown of the big features to see where we are: | 17:08 |
| pgraner | lieb: kerneloops & crashdump? | 17:08 |
| lieb | have to test running non-root. no one else does that config. | 17:08 |
| lieb | crashdump, its a bigger problem req updates to 3 packages | 17:09 |
| lieb | turns out the kexec kernel also oom panics | 17:09 |
| lieb | ;( | 17:09 |
| pgraner | lieb: status of MIR? | 17:10 |
| apw | how big is the 'crash dump window' by default? | 17:10 |
| lieb | pgraner, awaiting my test results +debdiff | 17:10 |
| lieb | apw, I'd have to check. | 17:11 |
| pgraner | lieb: we are coming down to the wire, we need to get this locked up ASAP. This should be your #1 priority | 17:11 |
| pgraner | lieb: do you need help? | 17:11 |
| lieb | it is. the kexec stuff will probably not make it due to too many packages | 17:11 |
| lieb | the kerneloops stuff should be settled today once I do web sumit testting to confirm | 17:12 |
| pgraner | lieb: what packages specifically needs to be updated? | 17:12 |
| lieb | no more code, just re-working the debian package to ubuntu (init scripts) cuz they don't do it either | 17:13 |
| pgraner | lieb: is that something we can get the foundations team to help with? | 17:13 |
| lieb | wrt kerneloops, just the one. wrt kexec, the kernel (or whatever configs the kdump image), makedump | 17:13 |
| lieb | crash, and (possibly) kexec-tools | 17:13 |
| lieb | pgraner, maybe but what is really needed is per the uds topic, these tools/daemons need closer proj mgmt coupling w/ the kernel | 17:14 |
| lieb | I mentioned that at the sprint but I haven't had time to compose the web page yet | 17:15 |
| apw | we arn't going to change the coupling at this late stage in the jaunty cycle i don't recon | 17:15 |
| pgraner | lieb: I'm having a hard time understanding why this is so difficult, we can take this offline\ | 17:15 |
| lieb | apw, that is true. | 17:15 |
| lieb | pgraner, ok | 17:15 |
| pgraner | apw: how are we on suspend/resume? | 17:16 |
| apw | we are starting to get some real user reports now | 17:16 |
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| apw | i am monitoring those separatly from the normal bugs | 17:16 |
| apw | and trying to get some feedback to every one | 17:17 |
| apw | there is a bunch of people who are reporting things because apport | 17:17 |
| apw | woke up, but who don't really know what it means. not sure | 17:17 |
| apw | how we will handle the ones where they arn't capable of helping us yet | 17:17 |
| pgraner | did you notice an uptick once it hit planet.ubuntu? | 17:17 |
| apw | was that what it wa | 17:17 |
| apw | was, i am also seeing people sliding over to jaunty | 17:18 |
| apw | in general and triggering the reports | 17:18 |
| apw | so far its about 5 a day | 17:18 |
| pgraner | good deal | 17:18 |
| apw | i'll have a better feel by the end of the week | 17:18 |
| apw | we have done some more work on the apport support | 17:18 |
| apw | to get more information from the users system without needing | 17:18 |
| apw | to talk to them, and also helping make the reports easier to sift | 17:19 |
| pgraner | apw: great for next week can you give us a rundown of what the prob look like and how many etc...? | 17:19 |
| apw | ogasawara, i should note that the bugs now have apport-kerneloops, resume and _one_of_ suspend or hibernate now | 17:19 |
| apw | pgraner, sure thing, most right now are getting a cut-n-paste response | 17:19 |
| ogasawara | apw: good, that'll make searching easier | 17:19 |
| apw | as they have 0 information on what they were doing. whenwe have interacted with a few | 17:19 |
| apw | more we'll know better | 17:20 |
| pgraner | apw: ack, good deal | 17:20 |
| cking | apw, you capturing hibernate issues - i thought it was just suspend/resume? | 17:20 |
| apw | the testing stuff is just suspend, but the apport stuff detects both | 17:20 |
| apw | and differentiates them in the bugs as reported (now) | 17:20 |
| cking | ahah | 17:20 |
| pgraner | apw: one more... vanilla kernel builds... what the status, and how are we on ppa hosting? | 17:20 |
| apw | i am seeing an uptick in those reports | 17:20 |
| apw | vanilla builds are now up to date, latest of each tree is built | 17:21 |
| rtg_ | we never planned to PPA host them. | 17:21 |
| apw | in the ~apw version on kernel. the old one on people now points there | 17:21 |
| pgraner | rtg_: sabdfl wants them in a ppa | 17:21 |
| apw | rtg is now testing the more official kernel-ppa user for them | 17:21 |
| pgraner | rtg_: for the ease of end user testing | 17:21 |
| apw | i haven't had time to test loading them into a PPA yet | 17:21 |
| rtg_ | hmm | 17:22 |
| apw | but the thought there was to see if we could keep just the latest of each in a PPA | 17:22 |
| apw | not try anything clever to get them all in | 17:22 |
| rtg_ | apw: in order to do so, we have to upload a source package | 17:22 |
| apw | but that is not started yet | 17:22 |
| apw | rtg_ yeah, but with the lpia experience under my belt, i think i know waht needs twiddling | 17:22 |
| apw | to get at least one of each into a ppa. anyhow, we committed to trying it and i have that on my todo | 17:23 |
| apw | hope to be able to report on that next week | 17:23 |
| rtg_ | its the package namig thats gonna be PITA | 17:23 |
| apw | yes. i think as long as we only keep the latest per release | 17:23 |
| apw | ie a .24 in hardy, a .27 in intrepid and a .28 in jaunty | 17:23 |
| apw | then we may be able to shove them all into a ppa | 17:23 |
| apw | beyond that, you know what you are doing and can install a .deb | 17:24 |
| apw | from the kernel-ppa web site | 17:24 |
| rtg_ | k | 17:24 |
| apw | as i say its got to be investigated, and it may be | 17:24 |
| apw | 'to do that we need these 3 things from a PPA please' | 17:24 |
| apw | so it may be a KK think | 17:25 |
| apw | thing | 17:25 |
| rtg_ | apw: we're also gonna have to get some storage exceptions. these kernels start to eat a lot of space | 17:26 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Jaunty Bugs | 17:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Jaunty Bugs | 17:26 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: what are the top ones this week? | 17:26 |
| apw | rtg_, yeah speacially as we have had to keep the source | 17:26 |
| ogasawara | so the majority are from previous weeks . . . | 17:26 |
| ogasawara | from last week bug 326891, bug 255886, and bug 323256 - all got feedback | 17:27 |
| apw | we didn't make much dent in the previous 2 weeks worth which dropped week-1 | 17:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 326891 in linux "2.6.27.11 kernel breaks r8169 support for rtl8102e" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326891 | 17:27 |
| ubottu | Bug 255886 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/255886 is private | 17:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 323256 in linux "2.6.27-11 Intel Ethernet e100e Remains active after shutdown" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323256 | 17:27 |
| smb_tp | The e1000e is looked after by inter and can be worked around | 17:28 |
| smb_tp | intel, even | 17:28 |
| ogasawara | there are some older ones marked as High: | 17:29 |
| ogasawara | bug 323134 | 17:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 323134 in linux "oopses with sr0 in armel versatile image" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323134 | 17:29 |
| ogasawara | ogra confirmed though that if he disabled CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR oops went away | 17:29 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: are we tagging the arm bugs differently? | 17:29 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: I haven't been but can start | 17:30 |
| apw | i do think it would helpful to have them marked | 17:30 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: amitk would that help you? | 17:30 |
| ogra | ogasawara, thats fixed partially, amitk made it a module ... though now it oopses if the module is loaded | 17:30 |
| ogra | so i think we need to drop it completely | 17:30 |
| amitk | pgraner: yes it would help to have arm bugs tagged separately | 17:30 |
| amitk | ogra: noted | 17:31 |
| apw | ogasawara, could we colour them different or something for background | 17:31 |
| ogasawara | apw: yup, am planning on coloring regressions already, so would be a similar change | 17:31 |
| apw | always one step ahead of me | 17:31 |
| amitk | or editing the summary to add [arm]? | 17:31 |
| ogasawara | amitk: I'll edit the summary/title and tag them "arm" | 17:32 |
| amitk | ogasawara: thanks | 17:32 |
| ogasawara | listing just a few other bugs . . . bug 322879 is another 2.6.27-11 regression | 17:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 322879 in linux "Verizon CDMA card no longer works" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322879 | 17:32 |
| ogra | amitk, you shouldnt say [noted] .... you should say ogra you goddamn slacker, get your ass up and write that in the bug :P | 17:32 |
| ogasawara | along with bug 319840 (hardy regression) | 17:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 319840 in linux "Kernel panic when attempting to netboot hardy 20090119 on HP Proliant ML350 G5" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319840 | 17:33 |
| amitk | ogra: whatever you said ^^^^ | 17:33 |
| amitk | :) | 17:33 |
| ogra | :) | 17:33 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: are the bugs assigned to individuals are still with kernel-team? | 17:34 |
| apw | i wonder if there is milage to keeping the regressions in a new list with the this weeks ones, or always keep them on 'this week' | 17:34 |
| apw | so they don't slide down and get lost | 17:34 |
| apw | keeping them on 'this week regardless of week might work nicly | 17:34 |
| pgraner | apw: good point | 17:35 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: bugs are no longer assigned to kernel-team, and is currently the devs responsibility to take ownership (is assign it to themselves) | 17:35 |
| ogasawara | apw: I was thinking it would be better to pull regressions out into their own section | 17:35 |
| * pgraner passes on ogasawara's reminder to take ownership of the ones she put out today :-) | 17:35 | |
| apw | ogasawara, that would work just as well as long its at the top | 17:35 |
| apw | they are the most important bugs for smb_tp and his kin | 17:36 |
| * ogasawara nods | 17:36 | |
| * smb_tp agrees | 17:36 | |
| pgraner | ogasawara: Anything else on bugs? | 17:36 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: there are few other high ones but I want to get them to test latest Jaunty first. I'll raise them in next weeks meeting if necessary. | 17:36 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: ack, thanks | 17:37 |
| pgraner | Moving on then | 17:37 |
| pgraner | Since sconklin is out today we will skip LPIA, if anyone has questions or issues take it to the list pls... | 17:37 |
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| pgraner | amitk: armel ... how goes it? | 17:37 |
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| pgraner | [TOPIC] armel | 17:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: armel | 17:38 |
| amitk | versatile and iop4xx (slug) are now working | 17:38 |
| amitk | ogra beat me into fixing the kernels for both | 17:38 |
| pgraner | amitk, ogra: do we have instructions for loading the image up anywhere? I have a few slugs I could test | 17:38 |
| amitk | I've left iop32x and orion5x flavours as 'don't cares' for now since there isn't a whole lot of community | 17:39 |
| pgraner | amitk: ACK | 17:39 |
| amitk | pgraner: ogra is doing final testing now and should write up a wiki page soon | 17:39 |
| amitk | that's it from me | 17:39 |
| pgraner | ogra: let me know when you have it done :-) | 17:40 |
| pgraner | amitk: great thanks | 17:40 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Open discussion | 17:40 |
| pgraner | [TOPIC] Open discussion | 17:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open discussion | 17:40 |
| rtg_ | CRDA will start appearing with the latest linux-meta upload. Everyone should whine if their wireless croaks. | 17:40 |
| pgraner | rtg_: brace for impact :-) | 17:40 |
| rtg_ | no, bend over and spread 'em | 17:40 |
| ogra | pgraner, prob is that OOM kicks in midway through the installer | 17:41 |
| pgraner | ogra: ouch | 17:41 |
| ogra | the kernels boot though, but iÄm still trying to determine how to make d-i work in 30M | 17:41 |
| rtg_ | ogra: use less memory. | 17:41 |
| ogra | or how debian even does it | 17:41 |
| ogra | rtg_, :P | 17:42 |
| pgraner | ogra: just put it on a diet | 17:42 |
| pgraner | Anything else? | 17:42 |
| pgraner | I'll take the silence as a no... in that case... | 17:42 |
| pgraner | apw: both rtg & I will be traveling next Tues can you run the meeting? | 17:43 |
| apw | sure | 17:43 |
| pgraner | [ACTION]apw to run next meeting | 17:43 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: apw to run next meeting | 17:43 |
| pgraner | In that case same day, time & channel next week. | 17:44 |
| pgraner | Thanks everyone! | 17:44 |
| apw | tll then | 17:44 |
| amitk | bye | 17:44 |
| pgraner | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:44. | 17:44 |
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