[00:00] <asac> fta: just push
[00:00] <asac> fta: double check that debian/copyright is accurate
[00:00] <fta> is it pretty simple
[00:00] <asac> fta: i got a bunch of rejections on extensions for that
[00:00] <fta> it is
[00:01] <asac> because i was not hard enough including all info
[00:01] <asac> its important to say "who packaged it when and how the tarball was downloaded"
[00:01] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/118969/
[00:01] <asac> also it needs a clear (c) XXXX line and then  a license boilerplate snippet together with the filename for GPL
[00:02] <fta> yep, that part i'm familiar with now
[00:02] <asac> fta: me not ... but looks good
[00:03] <asac> then just push. we have a bunch of new archive admins
[00:03] <asac> they probably want to be picky ;)
[00:03] <asac> lets see
[00:03] <asac> at least we should get quick processing
[00:06] <fta> i think i should say somewhere it's rev239, to be fair
[00:07] <asac> sure
[00:09] <fta>   * Initial release: 0.8 (as of lp:gwibber/1.0 #239)
[00:09] <fta> ?
[00:09] <asac> should be ok
[00:10] <fta> ok, closing with http://paste.ubuntu.com/118972/
[00:10] <asac> good
[00:12] <fta> pushed
[00:12] <fta> at last
[00:16] <asac> \o/
[00:20] <fta> jcastro, ^^ NEW: gwibber_0.8-0ubuntu1.dsc
[00:21] <asac> fta: i think james_w can review this now too
[00:21] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members
[00:22] <asac> OK OFF
[00:23] <asac> cu tomorrow
[00:24] <fta> why are you not part of it?
[00:35] <fta> cu
[01:44] <Who_> fta: Are you there? I have a quick question about the FF 3.2 build. I've just tried to turn off extension compatibility and it causes FF(3.2) not to start. Are you aware of this? Do you want more info?
[01:45] <Who_> that is, extension compatibility checking :)
[09:05] <asac> fta: i am not part of -archive admin team because i already have enough to do ;)
[09:05] <asac> and you are supposed to not process those that might be of special interest for you anyway afaik
[09:37] <asac> fta: bug 305394
[09:38] <asac> do you know how it should be according upstream?
[09:38] <asac> if so we should just do it i think and see how the world hates or loves us
[09:43] <fta> hi
[09:43] <fta> asac, as i said many times, i dropped one rules file locally
[09:44] <asac> fta: which one?
[09:45] <asac> fta: afair you said you saw regressions in whatever you tried
[09:45] <fta> yes
[09:46] <fta> but i'm living with them now
[09:46] <fta> i don't remember which file i dropped, here is my /etc/fonts/conf.d/ : http://paste.ubuntu.com/119154/
[09:47] <asac> fta: what regressions do you see?
[09:47] <fta> non gtk apps
[09:47] <asac> fta: do those use fontconfig directly?
[09:49] <fta> i'm no expert in fonts :(
[09:49] <asac> heh
[09:52] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22722360/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.firefox-3.2_3.2~a1~hg20090216r25053%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:38] <gnomefreak> is there a blog app that handles wordpress?
[10:40] <[reed]> wordpress is a blog app...
[10:40] <[reed]> oh, you mean a gui app?
[10:44] <asac> fta: yeah. saw build failures. Tomorrow is cut-off for feature stuff
[10:45] <asac> which will allow me to do my real work again
[10:45] <asac> fta: seems its just patch shuffeling
[10:46] <gnomefreak> i need gtk app that i can use to post to my wordpress account i use that for planet ubuntu
[10:46] <asac> gnomefreak: no clue ;) ... doesnt something like that exist?
[10:46] <gnomefreak> drivel doesnt support wordpress :(
[10:47] <asac> gnomefreak: gnome-blog - GNOME applet to post to weblog entries
[10:47] <gnomefreak> asac: i hope so i would hate to change blogs. i hate livejornel but maybe ill end up back there
[10:47] <asac> also tomboy-blogposter - Tomboy addin for posting notes to a blog
[10:47] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^ ;)
[10:47] <gnomefreak> asac: waiting for updates to finish before i can find out
[10:59] <gnomefreak> !info movabletype-opensource
[11:00] <gnomefreak> not helpfull
[11:38] <asac> mconnor: see msg ;)
[11:55] <gnomefreak> is it just me or is FF3.2 crashing but stays open?
[13:20] <fta2> gnomefreak, it's mozilla bug 473629, aka bug 319480
[13:29] <gnomefreak> fta2: the closing unexpctedly?
[13:30] <fta2> yes
 is it just me or is FF3.2 crashing but stays open?
[13:31] <gnomefreak> fta2: the bug above that you filed upstream say when you exit the browser. Mine happens while browser is open (not during exit)
[13:32] <fta2> is it when you  click on an url in another app?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> fta2: i dont think so but i will see whne it does it again. I dont see any one thing that causes it but i will find out today.
[13:35] <fta2> for me, it's always when i click on a link to open it in a tab of the existing browser. but that's still on exit()
[13:35] <gnomefreak> ok breakfast im going to leave it open to see if it happens when it is running
[14:26] <gnomefreak> fta2: i think it is when closing tab. either that or scrolling
[14:33] <gnomefreak> fta2: the crash doesnt mention jemalloc
[14:37] <gnomefreak> yep its closing tab or scrolling i'm thinking closign tab
[15:19] <BUGabundo> asac: is that new intel connman any good?
[15:20] <asac> BUGabundo: depends on the level of features you want. its in NM ppa if you want to test ;)
[15:21] <BUGabundo> already have it
[15:21] <BUGabundo> saw it in NEW queue yesterday
[15:21] <BUGabundo> and then read about it on the desktop meeting log
[15:21] <BUGabundo> also gonna test the modem manager PPA
[15:21] <BUGabundo> do you want extra testers on that?
[15:22] <BUGabundo> I have a few loco users you can test it
[15:22] <BUGabundo> ppl that are always having 3G dongles probs
[15:28] <jcastro> asac: do you have a network manager team or do you handle all the bugs yourself?
[15:29] <gnomefreak> asac: did you get a chance to look at 1.1.14 (although not really needed) but it should be pushed soon since its security fix. plus im tired of explaining this to people
[15:29] <BUGabundo> jcastro: I think he does it all alone
[15:29] <gnomefreak> ok coffee and smoke.
[15:32] <asac> jcastro: we have a network-manager team, but in the end it boils down to me trying to find urgent issues and fix them or getting upstream discussions
[15:32] <asac> going
[15:32] <asac> jcastro: so technically the team is currently just me
[15:33] <asac> jcastro: https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+members
[15:33] <BUGabundo> I guess I could join and then give an helping hand
[15:33] <BUGabundo> at least I would learn a bit more about it
[15:34] <jcastro> asac: ok, that'll work, thanks!
[15:34] <asac> jcastro: what will work?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> asac: feel free to aprove me
[15:34] <asac> BUGabundo: feel free to help on bugs.
[15:34] <jcastro> I need to fill in the bug contact field
[15:34] <jcastro> asac: do you guys do the applet too?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> subscribing to bugs too
[15:34] <asac> BUGabundo: the team is just a vehicle to grant access to branches and ppa uploads
[15:35] <BUGabundo> no need for that right now
[15:35] <asac> i dont think you need that unless you start doing branch work now ;)
[15:35] <BUGabundo> LP is a bit confusing at times
[15:35] <BUGabundo> already joined the bug list
[15:35] <asac> jcastro: i am doing that too yes
[15:35] <BUGabundo> doing the same for answers
[15:35] <asac> jcastro: the other members of that team are more or less inactive ;)
[15:35] <asac> BUGabundo: great! ;)
[15:37] <BUGabundo> done
[15:38] <BUGabundo> asac: remember that laptop sis based I mentioned yesterday?
[15:38] <asac> BUGabundo: ah good thing would be to go through incomplete bugs and see if the folks gave the info they needed ;)
[15:38] <BUGabundo> I triaged the bug to 32 vs 64 bits
[15:38] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. i remember
[15:38] <jcastro> asac: https://edge.launchpad.net/network-manager/+bugsupervisor
[15:38] <jcastro> can you apply yourself? It won't let me assign you
[15:38] <jcastro> er, apply the tea
[15:38] <jcastro> m to that I mean
[15:38] <BUGabundo> asac: 1st ill have to do the same MY OWN bugs eheheh
[15:38] <asac> jcastro: whats the difference of supervisor vs. driver?
[15:39] <BUGabundo> 300+ plus opened (new, incomplete, triage)
[15:39] <asac> jcastro: so what will happen now that i am supervisor?
[15:40] <jcastro> nothing
[15:40] <jcastro> it's just the contact in case someone wants to find out who is responsible for bugs
[15:41] <jcastro> and since it's the nm team anyway ...
[15:41] <asac> jcastro: hmm so should i rather set "network-manager" team as supervisor?
[15:42] <jcastro> right
[15:42] <asac> ok let me fix that ;)
[15:42] <asac> jcastro: doing same for -applet
[15:42] <jcastro> thanks!
[15:43] <asac> jcastro: where would someone find that info? i dont see it on project front page
[15:43] <jcastro> on the bugs page for the project
[15:43] <asac> ok just found it ... thanks
[15:47] <BUGabundo> asac: I can't install modemmanager
[15:47] <BUGabundo> it won't show up on my system
[15:47] <asac> BUGabundo: why would it?
[15:47] <BUGabundo> but I have the ppa on sources.list and added the gpg key
[15:47] <asac> BUGabundo: of modemmanager?
[15:47] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~modemmanager/+archive/ppa
[15:48] <asac> BUGabundo: its probably because there is no biuld for jaunty ;)
[15:48] <asac> only hardy
[15:48] <asac> and even that i wouldnt suggest to install
[15:48] <asac> oh intrepid has a build too as it seems
[15:48] <BUGabundo> then why is there a jaunty repo?
[15:48] <BUGabundo> to confuser users?
[15:48] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:49] <asac> BUGabundo: maybe ;)
[16:03] <TomJaeger> Hi, are we going to see a fix for bug #217908 before feature freeze?
[16:04] <asac> TomJaeger: hmm ... is that related to EXA or something? or everywhere?
[16:04] <TomJaeger> everywhere
[16:05] <TomJaeger> firefox uses nearest-neighbor interpolation due to performance bugs that have now been fixed
[16:05] <TomJaeger> (well, sort of, except for the fact that the cairo patch is there but not actually enabled)
[16:14] <BUGabundo> asac: http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=55793316
[16:14] <BUGabundo> seems a lot users have nm probs with that sis191 card
[16:14] <BUGabundo> is that a kernel/driver prob?
[16:17] <TomJaeger> asac, xulrunner patches are attached to comment #69 (probably missing final newlines) and comment #75
[16:18] <asac> TomJaeger: any clue what upstream plans to do ?
[16:19] <asac> TomJaeger: is there a way to detect whether cairo is patched or not?
[16:19] <asac> e.g. if it has the performance bug, can we fallback
[16:19] <TomJaeger> upstream uses their own copy of cairo
[16:20] <TomJaeger> cairo doesn't advertise whether it uses client-side fallbacks
[16:20] <TomJaeger> vlad has stated that he's fine with distributions enabling EXTEND_PAD if the drivers are fixed
[16:22] <TomJaeger> With a patched cairo, we can be sure that the performance bug doesn't occur (it's not that bad anyway, but noticable)
[16:23] <asac> TomJaeger: see, we have performance problems with firefox since 3.0 beta5 went into hardy
[16:23] <asac> TomJaeger: i feel reluctant do do anthing that could have impact for any user using any driver
[16:24] <asac> and afaik, driver situation is not a black and white
[16:24] <asac> a few drivers are probably fixed. the others are not fixed.
[16:25] <TomJaeger> The performance bug is not in the drivers. This was a client-side workaround that cairo was using that really hurt.
[16:25] <TomJaeger> (Copying an image from the server, rescaling it, and sending it back over the wire)
[16:26] <asac> TomJaeger: ok
[16:26] <TomJaeger> if there are any broken drivers left (I've checked all the open source ones, and the binary ones seem okay, too), we get slightly incorrect rendering on upscaled images
[16:27] <asac> TomJaeger: i dont understand your patch
[16:27] <asac> it removes the .dpatch and adds it to 00list
[16:28] <asac> TomJaeger: also consider to be a bit more verbose about that change. in changelog. the bug is long enough to justify putting more info in the patch imo
[16:30] <TomJaeger> the change was already supposed to be in cairo.  Bryce uploaded it, but it turns out I don't understand dpatch.
[16:30] <TomJaeger> It added the patch twice and didn't automatically add it to 00list, that's why the amended patch looks so funny
[16:30] <jcastro> fta2: which packaging where you using for the submitted package? I guess the problem is in debian/copyright
[16:31] <asac> TomJaeger: i would think that you should ask bryce to fix his own mess
[16:32] <TomJaeger> yes, of course.
[16:32] <TomJaeger> This is about the two xulrunner patches.
[16:48] <TomJaeger> asac, so yeah, I'm sure Bryce will update the cairo package.  The question is: How do you feel about the xulrunner patches?
[16:49] <asac> TomJaeger: we need an upstream bug for the patches
[16:49] <asac> i think you took them from one.
[16:50] <asac> but i need them to get permission from mozilla to actually use that
[16:50] <asac> because it touches rendering engine
[16:51] <TomJaeger> This is the upstream report: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422179
[16:51] <TomJaeger> There's no explicit patch there, but it's a one-line patch, so it's clear to everyone how the patch would look like
[16:57] <TomJaeger> What is the procedure for getting permission from mozilla?
[17:00] <asac> TomJaeger: i have to ask for it
[17:01] <asac> TomJaeger: if vlad says its the right thing its probably a good sign
[17:01] <asac> but since he made that conditionally on whether all drivers are fixed we need to ensure that all drivers are fixed ;)
[17:02] <TomJaeger> http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo/2009-January/016324.html
[17:03] <TomJaeger> Well, I went through the source of every single open-source driver that we're shipping
[17:03] <TomJaeger> (including ones like i128 that probably nobody is using)
[17:05] <TomJaeger> I don't have any nvidia/ati hardware, but at least as far as this test is concerned: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-February/032973.html
[17:06] <TomJaeger> both closed-source drivers fall back to software, so we'll get correct rendering
[17:20] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[17:20] <BUGabundo> how can I force NM or Ubuntu to user JUST IPv4 ?
[17:21] <BUGabundo> I'm thinking that part of this bug, is because we have here (on some sub nets) IPv6 active
[17:24] <asac> TomJaeger: correct rendering, but performance will suck ?
[17:25] <TomJaeger> asac, no, server-side workarounds are fast enough to not be noticable
[17:25] <TomJaeger> s/workarounds/fallbacks/
[17:26] <asac> TomJaeger:  a list of drivers you have checked would be helpful
[17:26] <asac> e.g. ati - fully support
[17:26] <asac> intel - server-side workaround
[17:26] <asac> in that stiyl
[17:26] <asac> style
[17:28] <TomJaeger> like this? http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo/2009-January/016342.html
[17:28] <TomJaeger> since then, we've gotton hardware support for ati and openchrome has been fixed.
[17:28] <TomJaeger> I've purposefully disabled hardware acceleration on my intel card for a while and I couldn't notice a difference
[17:30] <TomJaeger> Of course, none of this has any impact in case that no upscaled images are displayed.
[17:38] <TomJaeger> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/217908/comments/94
[17:39] <asac> TomJaeger: i will be out for an hour or too
[17:39] <asac> we have time to look into this after FeatureFreeze if you can wait for a day or too
[17:39] <asac> from what i see it makes sense
[17:39] <asac> and i guess we will try this
[17:40] <asac> but no guarntees
[17:40] <TomJaeger> okay, thanks for your time
[17:42] <TomJaeger> have to leave now
[18:38] <BUGabundo> fta: it seems that medibuntu also has GE 5
[18:38] <BUGabundo> but they did not renamed old 4.3 package
[18:39] <BUGabundo> so now I have 2 4.3 and 2 5.x
[18:39] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:51] <rzr> hi asac , just pushed a branch before going on vacations hope it helps
[18:55] <fta> BUGabundo, hm? do you mean they have fixed the installer too?
[18:55] <BUGabundo> hum??
[18:55] <BUGabundo> let me launch it
[18:56] <fta> we just provide an installer
[18:56] <BUGabundo> Google Earth - data files
[18:56] <BUGabundo> LOL
[18:56] <BUGabundo> just DATA
[18:56] <fta> what is that?
[18:56] <BUGabundo> googleearth:
[18:56] <BUGabundo>  Depends: googleearth-4.2  but it is not installable or
[18:56] <BUGabundo>  	googleearth-4.3  but it is not installable
[18:57] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[18:57] <BUGabundo> broken depency on medibuntu repo
[18:58] <fta> ii  googleearth                                5.0.11337.1968+0.5.4.1-1                          Google Earth, a 3D map/planet viewer
[18:58] <fta> ii  googleearth-package                        0.5.4.1~0ubuntu1~fta1                             utility to automatically build a Debian pack
[18:58] <fta> the 2nd creates the 1st
[18:59] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy googleearth
[18:59] <BUGabundo> googleearth:
[18:59] <BUGabundo>   Installed: (none)
[18:59] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 4.3.7284.3916-0medibuntu3
[18:59] <BUGabundo>   Version table:
[18:59] <BUGabundo>      4.3.7284.3916-0medibuntu3 0
[18:59] <BUGabundo>         500 http://fr.packages.medibuntu.org jaunty/non-free Packages
[18:59] <BUGabundo> there's a colision
[18:59] <BUGabundo> between your package and mediubuntu
[19:00] <fta> should not
[19:00] <BUGabundo> I'll see it later or tomorrow
[19:00] <fta> mine should replace yours
[19:00] <BUGabundo> gotta move or will lose the train
[19:00] <fta> i wanted to update universe
[19:01] <BUGabundo> see you later
[19:01] <fta> well.. sigh
[19:04] <asac> fta: upload
[19:04] <asac> if you want someting new in
[19:04] <asac> but i guess google earth is kinda non free
[19:09] <fta> it's just the installer, not the non-free blob
[19:09] <asac> fta: do we have that in the archive yet?
[19:10] <fta> but the desktop icon is gone, the previous installer pointed to a png in the lib dir, it's gone, and i don't find a good substitute in there
[19:10] <fta> yes
[19:10] <fta> !info googleearth-installer
[19:10] <fta> !info googleearth-packager
[19:10] <fta> !info googleearth-package
[19:10] <asac> fta: ah ok. so just pump new version up if its just a versoin bump
[19:11] <fta> multiverse
[19:11] <asac> yeah you can upload there
[19:11] <fta> i'd like to provide an icon, not sure how yet
[19:15] <fta> 133 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[19:15] <fta> Need to get 325MB/325MB of archives.
[19:15] <fta> After this operation, 203MB of additional disk space will be used.
[19:15] <fta> ehh? 203M more?
[19:15] <fta> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[19:15] <fta>   libntfs-3g49 linux-headers-2.6.28-8 linux-headers-2.6.28-8-generic linux-image-2.6.28-8-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28-8-generic python3-minimal python3.0 python3.0-minimal
[19:15] <fta>   wireless-crda
[19:16] <fta> booohh, python 3.0 and a new kernel
[19:16] <fta> -minimal, lol
[19:34] <jcastro> fta: we should be good with gwibber now?
[19:34] <jcastro> I don't know what seb means by this BSD code?
[19:35] <fta> jcastro, some themes are using bsd
[19:35] <fta> jcastro, /usr/share/gwibber/ui/themes/funkatron/README:Spaz is distributed under the BSD license and is available for download
[19:36] <jcastro> fta: don't you just mention the BSD license in debian/copyright?
[19:37] <fta> yes, but COPYING should also say themes may differ or something
[19:37] <fta> ie, not everything is GPLv2
[19:38] <jcastro> ok, what do I tell him to do, add a thing to COPYING?
[19:42] <fta> jcastro, let's ask seb
[19:42] <jcastro> ok
[19:42] <fta> jsut did
[19:42] <jcastro> fta: greg is pushing an update debian/copyright he tells me
[19:43] <fta> hm
[19:43] <fta> pulling...
[19:45] <fta> ok, but it's still not enough, BSD is used to it should be mentioned, i can take care of that
[19:50] <jcastro> fta: it says Spaz is distributed under the bsd, that's the client where the theme came from.
[19:50] <jcastro> the readme says Spaz is BSD licensed, it's not talking about the theme
[19:50] <jcastro> but whatever
[20:15] <fta> jcastro, you're right, but it's not clear if a work "based on the design" of something inherits the license of that something... depends on what "based on" means.. copy the code, or just get inspiration from.
[20:15] <fta> sigh.
[20:22] <jcastro> ugh I hate licensing
[20:28] <asac> aol
[20:36] <fta> hm, greg just killed the branch my bot is using to daily build gwibber
[20:36] <fta> it means no more dailies :(
[20:40] <fta> stopping the bot then, too bad
[20:48] <jcastro> fta: dude I thought we were using "debian" not "packaging"
[20:48] <jcastro> I asked him to deprecate it so we would have just one packaging branch
[20:52] <fta> jcastro, i already said that by design, my bot can only track native projects and branches mergeable by bzr bd, i.e., containing debian/*. The other packaging branch is flat, so i can't using without redesigning my bot
[20:52] <fta> and i don't have time to do that
[20:53] <jcastro> oh?
[20:53] <jcastro> let me undo it then
[20:53] <fta> -using+use it
[20:55] <jcastro> ok fixed
[20:56] <fta> thanks
[21:04] <jcastro> I've made a note on the whiteboard what it's for
[21:04] <jcastro> sorry about the confusion
[21:05] <fta> np
[21:08] <fta> asac, here is what i meant this morning about fontconfig regression: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gearth.png
[21:09] <asac> fta: the navigating oceans thing looks strange
[21:09] <fta> asac, it's not really visible in the screenshot but the menu and the option dialog are almost unreadable here, and of course, the text in the tips
[21:09] <asac> the rest ok
[21:10] <fta> not here
[21:10] <fta> the tips text is using Arial
[21:10] <fta> but it's even uglier with all other fonts
[21:10] <fta> it's using Qt
[21:11] <fta> Qt4
[21:23] <Lns> Are any of you aware of any multi-user sqlite db (for FF3 primarily) editors? As in, being able to push sql to multiple databases in ~/.mozilla such as a homepage setting?
[21:23] <Lns> I've seen the sqlite-manager addon but it looks like single db only
[21:28] <Lns> Also, it seems that in 3.0.6, you can edit ~/.mozilla/.../prefs.js to modify their homepage. Is this a sane way to do it outside of sqlite? If so, I'm going to be whipping up a small script to do this on a group-based membership basis (all users in group XYZ will have homepage 123.com)
[21:32] <asac> Lns: hmm not sure
[21:32] <asac> Lns: i would think that you can just use any database editor
[21:32] <asac> Lns: problem is that the DBs are set to exclusive mode
[21:33] <Lns> asac: exclusive mode? As in you shouldn't/can't edit it if it's in use?
[21:38] <asac> Lns: yes. thats probably why a firefox addon makes sense
[21:38] <asac> because only then you can access your own DB
[21:38] <Lns> gotcha
[21:39] <Lns> What are the downfalls of not setting exclusive mode on these dbs? Wondering what the reasoning was
[21:39] <asac> Lns: there were talks about making places et al a dbus service .. but that sounds really linux specific so i doubt it will happen at some point
[21:39] <asac> Lns: afaik it was 15-20% performance boost
[21:40] <asac> which is much needed given that ext3 is really bad anyway
[21:40] <Lns> asac: Is there a practical way to 'unset' exclusive mode, given the caveat of the performance degradation?
[21:41] <asac> Lns: from outsid?
[21:41] <asac> Lns: i would think it takes code changes to not do that
[21:41] <asac> from insid
[21:42] <asac> but maybe there are some hacks to do that from outside
[21:42] <asac> but i would think no
[21:42] <asac> better check with sqlite devs
[21:42] <Lns> asac: i'm just trying to see if there's any practical way to configure/hack all users' sqlite FF dbs so they can be managed centrally
[21:42] <Lns> and still work like they should :)
[21:43] <Lns> i know we had this conv. a while back..just revisiting it as i keep getting requests for things like this
[21:43] <Lns> and editing the DBs directly instead of trying to do some crazy workaround would probably be ideal
[21:46] <asac> Lns: what are you doing again (affiliation)? sorry if i forgot
[21:47] <Lns> asac: I administrate a small school district's Linux/LTSP networks (7 schools) and the on-site techs want the ability to change aspects of Firefox for all / selected users such as bookmarks, homepage, etc.
[21:48] <Lns> < 3.x was easy since you had bookmarks.html and other simple config files to parse..but now it's a whole new ball of wax
[21:49] <asac> Lns: right now iremember
[21:49] <asac> Lns: did your issues resolve? i think we had a fix (7dev/rdanom)
[21:49] <Lns> asac: yes, with the fta ppa it fixed it very well :)
[21:50] <asac> Lns: i thought it landed upstream
[21:50] <asac> doesnt 3.0.6 work oob?
[21:50] <Lns> i wouldn't be able to tell you, that came out almost right after i'd installed the PPA pkgs, so.. heh
[21:50] <asac> Lns: you are now using PPA?
[21:51] <Lns> just for that one package update, yes..then disabled it
[21:51] <asac> Lns: please check that. i think its fixed so you can track security properly again
[21:51] <Lns> ok, cool
[21:55] <asac> fta: did gwibber get the push yet?
[21:56] <asac> fta: its not in the queue
[21:56] <asac> what happened?
[21:57] <asac> rejected
[21:58] <fta> yes, LGPL vs GPL, plus some obscure BSD README
[21:58] <asac> fta: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2009-February/024963.html
[21:58] <fta> i know
[21:58] <asac> fta: ok. you think you can address that and talk to seb when uploaded?
[21:58] <asac> tomorrow is hte last day i thinki
[21:59] <fta> i didn't write the initial d/copyright, i just fixed the syntax a while ago to please lintian
[21:59] <asac> fta: i didnt say its your fault ;)
[21:59] <fta> yes, sure. the GPL part is fixed already, i'm still unsure about what to do with the BSD part
[21:59] <asac> fta: so i learned today that they run licensecheck -R --copyright .
[22:00] <fta> maybe there's nothing to do
[22:00] <asac> look at the output and just list them below the other license
[22:00] <fta> oh, let me try that
[22:00] <asac> fta: what they want is that you list all files with different license below the main licesne block
[22:00] <asac> so like:
[22:01] <asac> Other Licenses:
[22:01] <fta> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gwibber-committers/gwibber/gwibber-1.0/annotate/head%3A/ui/themes/funkatron/README
[22:01] <fta> have a look at this
[22:01] <asac> Files licensed under LGPL 2.0 (or later):
[22:01] <asac>  file1, file2, file3
[22:01] <asac> ...
[22:02] <asac>  See: /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL
[22:02] <asac> same for other licenses
[22:02] <asac> and if the license is not in common-licenses you need to paste it completely instead of the See:
[22:02] <fta> that i know
[22:02] <asac> also as it seems you need to list all copyright holders ... you can see that with the licensecheck thing
[22:03] <asac> so in the beggining of copyright:
[22:03] <asac>  * (c) 2008  Super mario, All rights reserved
[22:03] <asac>  * (c) 2009  super man, ...
[22:03] <asac> not sure who is copyright owner of gwibber
[22:04] <fta> hm, interesting... http://paste.ubuntu.com/119409/
[22:05] <asac> fta: yeah. seems those files one has to look at individually
[22:05] <fta> let me re-run that on the tarball only
[22:05] <asac> fta: just re-ran it ... looked the same
[22:05] <asac> fta: i guess seb looked at all files individually then
[22:06] <asac> (thats usually what archive admins should do=)
[22:10] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/119410/
[22:11] <fta> jcastro, ^^
[22:11] <asac> fta: look in all files
[22:13] <jcastro> fta: ok so he needs to fix all those files?
[22:15] <fta> not necessarily, COPYING says by default, it's GPL, but the other non GPL needs to be clarified.
[22:15] <fta> I see 4 files needing clarification
[22:15] <asac> jcastro: there are a bunch of files without license boilerplate
[22:15] <asac> ./gwibber/gwui.py
[22:16] <asac> ./gwibber/table.py
[22:16] <asac> ./gwibber/resources.py
[22:16] <jcastro> right
[22:16] <jcastro> I see the pastebin
[22:16] <asac> probably pretty much the list that has UNKNOWN
[22:16] <asac> jcastro: yeah. i wasnt sure if its a parse problem or if its really "no license"
[22:17] <fta> asac, i don't think it's necessary to update all those files.
[22:17] <asac> fta: its not, but it would be good
[22:17] <fta> but well, if it is done, it's good
[22:17] <fta> yeah
[22:17] <asac> its just annoying without license
[22:18] <asac> like: ./gwibber/swp.py
[22:18] <asac> thats MIT license
[22:18] <asac> did the licensecheck digest that?
[22:18] <asac> seems it didnt
[22:20] <asac> hmm
[22:20] <asac> looked at a bunch of .py files in /usr/share
[22:20] <asac> seems python is kind of explictly not using license boilerplates
[22:20] <asac> let me check further
[22:21] <asac> yeah
[22:21] <asac> so i dont care ... its just cumbersome to document for archive admins then
[22:21] <asac> look at all files ... if there is nothing, just file it as "same as default COPYING"
[22:21] <asac> and if its not, explicitly list it
[22:22] <fta> +1
[22:23] <asac> fta: so add the BSD and the MIT and maybe take a quick look at all files
[22:23] <asac> to see if there is something
[22:23] <asac> then its fine
[22:25] <fta> hm, LOCALEDIR = "/usr/local/share/locale"
[22:25] <fta> # Set this way as in setup.cfg we have prefix=/usr/local
[22:26] <fta> but not anymore once packaged as a deb
[22:26] <fta> asac, did you try the locales?
[22:26] <asac> fta: os tjat gwibber?
[22:27] <asac> fta: lets fix that after FF ;)
[22:37] <fta> hm, MIT is not in /usr/share/common-licenses
[22:40] <fta> asac, what about this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/119418/
[22:41] <fta> (without the typo)
[22:45] <asac> fta: did you take the mit license from the website referred to in the file
[22:45] <asac> ?
[22:49] <fta> yes
[22:50] <asac> fta: for me it looks better than i could have done it ;)
[22:51] <asac> fta:  * Dual licensed under the MIT (MIT-LICENSE.txt)
[22:51] <asac> i s there a MIT_LICENSE.txt in the tarball=?
[22:51] <fta> no
[22:51] <asac> remove that reference then
[22:52] <fta> ok
[22:52] <asac> same for GPT-LICENSE
[22:52] <fta> sold
[22:52] <asac> fta: you can say "see blow"
[22:52] <asac> below ;)
[22:52] <fta> yep
[22:52] <asac> bellow -> blow -> below ;)
[22:52] <asac> (just noticed the bellow in that copyright file)
[22:53] <fta> yep, that was the typo from above
[22:54] <fta> ok, re-pushing then..
[22:55] <fta> done
[23:07] <fta> asac, what should i do the missing google earth dekstop logo?
[23:07] <fta> +for
[23:09] <asac> fta: how did that disappear?
[23:09] <fta> it was: Icon=/usr/lib/googleearth/resources/googleearth-icon.png
[23:09] <fta> but this file is gone now, and there's nothing similar in the upstream package
[23:10] <fta> nothing suitable for a desktop icon
[23:10] <fta> just a small 16x16 earth
[23:13] <asac> how did it look like?
[23:14] <asac> cant we produce something similar?
[23:14] <fta> i think it was like that: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FJIwg2jbUP4/SQ0ZG9ZK3FI/AAAAAAAAA-w/UqTG6zcWXao/s200/google_earth_logo.png
[23:15] <fta> but i can't find it anywhere on a google site. the packager could have fetched it from there
[23:16] <asac> fta: is that an official google earth icon?
[23:16] <asac> (sorry ... didnt really use it)
[23:16] <fta> i think it was, at least for for a while
[23:16] <fta> -for
[23:17] <fta> asac, this one was not, for sure: http://lh5.ggpht.com/rajputro/RhVQR9T06QI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/OlsSVjhIE0U/s800/google_new_logo.jpg
[23:17] <asac> lol
[23:18] <asac> i guess a bunch of folks would find that offensive
[23:20] <rzr> it's even double offensive
[23:20] <asac> funny. i always thought that we (debian) had hot-babe in the archive
[23:20] <asac> but seems it was really removed at some point
[23:20] <asac> actually thought those that felt offended didnt win
[23:20] <asac> http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/download.php
[23:20] <asac> http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/
[23:20] <asac> i remember lengthy rants about that in debian ;)
[23:21] <rzr> asac: did you get my notice about FB?
[23:21] <rzr> asac: it's late but...
[23:21] <fta> maybe i can fetch this tiny one: http://www.google.com/educators/edu_products_earth.html
[23:22] <fta> or this one: http://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/mobile/apple/earth/
[23:25] <asac> rzr: no. just repaste please
[23:25] <asac> fta: cant you make the installer package fetch the file?
[23:25] <rzr> hi asac , just pushed a branch before going on vacations hope it helps
[23:26] <asac> fta: probably safer legal wise if the installer packages needs internet access anyways
[23:26] <fta> asac, sure, that's what i want, i don't want to bundle the icon in the packaging
[23:26] <asac> good
[23:26] <asac> fta: well. then take any ;)
[23:26] <fta> hm, both are gif
[23:26] <asac> heh
[23:27] <asac> rzr: let me check my mail
[23:28] <asac> rzr: what branch is itt? didnt get any merge request or so
[23:28] <rzr> lemme check
[23:29] <asac> fta: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FJIwg2jbUP4/SQ0ZG9ZK3FI/AAAAAAAAA-w/UqTG6zcWXao/s200/google_earth_logo.png
[23:29] <asac> thats a png?
[23:29] <asac> or is that extension a hoax?
[23:29] <rzr> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu/+merges
[23:30] <fta> but the url looks weak, and unofficial
[23:30] <asac> yeah ;)
[23:31] <asac> fta: maybe you can find it on imageshack.us or something ;)
[23:33] <asac> fta: if nothing helps, just use the sucky 10x10 image and fix that after FF ;)
[23:39] <rzr> asac: is that the right way to propose merging ? or did i miss some LP tricks ?
[23:39] <asac> rzr: thanks. a bit strange that i didnt get a mail .. did you rquest merge today?
[23:40] <rzr> yes couple of hours ago
[23:40] <asac> rzr: yes seems right. one question though. what date do you choose?
[23:40] <asac> for the cvs up?
[23:40] <rzr> yes
[23:40] <asac> i mean how did you find that date?
[23:40] <rzr> cvs up -D
[23:40] <rzr> on the webpage
[23:40] <rzr> day+1
[23:40] <asac> yeah i know that ;) ... is that  a release?
[23:40] <rzr> yes
[23:40] <asac> rzr: so they dont tag?
[23:40] <rzr> no
[23:40] <asac> ok. messy upstream
[23:41] <rzr> have to check tough
[23:41] <rzr> yes that's messy
[23:41] <rzr> they use to add 'a' suffix too
[23:41] <asac> a?
[23:41] <rzr> on 'pre-release'
[23:41] <asac> dont understand that
[23:41] <asac> ah
[23:41] <rzr> ok
[23:41] <asac> thats ok for the version
[23:41] <asac> you have to emake 1.1.1~a out of it
[23:41] <asac> i assume you mean the version used in install.rdf
[23:42] <rzr> yea i use the version in install.rdf
[23:42] <rzr> and add the ~snapshot to make sure
[23:43] <rzr> let me explain
[23:43] <rzr> 1 is release
[23:43] <rzr> then 2a
[23:43] <rzr> 2a again ...
[23:43] <asac> rzr: your commit message for revision 17 is not perfect. ... but ok ;)
[23:43] <rzr> then 2
[23:43] <rzr> etc
[23:43] <rzr> that's what I had to use epoc
[23:44] <asac> rzr: you should really use ~a
[23:44] <asac> for 2a
[23:44] <rzr> i do
[23:44] <asac> that will always be correct
[23:44] <asac> e.g. 1.1.2a1 == 1.1.2~a1
[23:44] <rzr> but 2a comes before 2
[23:44] <asac> oh so they release 2, 2a, 2b ... in that order?
[23:45] <rzr> no
[23:45] <asac> give me an xample then ;) (i guess i missed something)
[23:45] <rzr> 1a , 1a , 1, 2a, 2 ,  etc
[23:45] <asac> ok so you had:
[23:46] <asac> 1.3.11a~snapshot20081113-0ubuntu1
[23:46] <rzr> me : 1a~snapshot1 , 1a~snapshot2 , 1:1 , 2a~snapshot1 , ...
[23:46] <asac> and then you had problems using 1.3.11~snapshot
[23:46] <asac> i see. so yes. you should have used 11~a~snapshot
[23:46] <rzr> me : 1a~snapshot1 , 1a~snapshot2 , 1:1~snapshot1 , 2a~snapshot1 , ...
[23:46] <rzr> yes
[23:46] <asac> or 11~a+snapshot
[23:46] <rzr> i used epoc instead
[23:47] <asac> thats bad
[23:47] <asac> really
[23:47] <asac> epochs shouldnt be used deliberately
[23:47] <rzr> is 11~a+snapshot beter ?
[23:47] <asac> yes
[23:47] <rzr> ok
[23:47] <asac> definitly
[23:47] <rzr> let me commit it again
[23:47] <asac> so what is in the archive right now?
[23:47] <rzr> ok ?
[23:47] <asac> no
[23:48] <asac> so what do we package here? 1.3.11 final?
[23:48] <rzr> current one is : 1.3.11a~snapshot20081113-0ubuntu1
[23:48] <asac> why do we have ~snapshot at all there? because we dont know for sure its really final? (e.g. no tag)?
[23:48] <rzr> 1.3.11~snapshot will overide current one ?
[23:49] <asac> no
[23:49] <asac> rzr: so is it 1.3.11 final now or not ;)?
[23:49] <rzr> i need the snapshot info since i use using cvs -D
[23:49] <rzr> it is
[23:49] <asac> ok
[23:49] <asac> but in general it should be final
[23:49] <asac> so next version will be 1.3.12 ?
[23:50] <rzr> 1.3.12a
[23:50] <rzr> :)
[23:50]  * rzr gives some relaxing ball to asac
[23:50] <asac> ok
[23:51] <asac> rzr: use 1.3.11f now ... and say in changelog which date you took the snapshot
[23:51] <rzr> all we need is a version higher than 1.3.11a~snapshot20081113-0ubuntu1, that starts with 1.3.11
[23:51] <asac> rzr: next will be 1.3.12~a+snapshotXXXXXX
[23:51] <asac> then
[23:51] <asac> so you can do a final 1.3.12-0ubuntu1 ;)
[23:52] <asac> so 1.3.11f-0ubuntu1
[23:52] <rzr> ok makes sense
[23:52] <asac> i checked
[23:52] <asac> dpkg --compare-versions 1.1.12f lt 1.1.13 && echo asd
[23:52] <rzr> i dont like this 'f' :)
[23:52] <asac> which works
[23:52] <asac> rzr: well. its better than an epoch
[23:52] <asac> best we can do now
[23:52] <rzr> i trust you
[23:53] <rzr> can't we keep the ~snapshot info even for f version ?
[23:54] <asac> rzr: could you pleaes check if there is a tag?
[23:54] <asac> if so i woul dreally prefer to release that instead of a snapshot
[23:54] <asac> for jaunty
[23:54] <rzr> because i am sure the guy ommit to change the version in install.rdf
[23:55] <asac> rzr: in that case you could still use 1.3.11f+cvs20080901
[23:55] <rzr> let me check if it's tagged again
[23:55] <asac> rzr: use cvs status -v SOMEFILE to see all tags
[23:55] <asac> but i guess you know that
[23:55] <rzr> why: +cvs is better than ~snapshot ?
[23:56] <asac> rzr: you said you wanted to use ~snapshot even though it was final release because you wanted to use snapshot in case they forget to bump version ininstall.rdf
[23:56] <asac> so i suggested to use +XXXX
[23:56] <asac> +cvs or +snapshot
[23:56] <rzr> ok
[23:57] <rzr> btw no usable tag : http://rzr.online.fr/q/tag
[23:59] <asac> rzr: ok ... sigh
[23:59] <asac> rzr: feel free to use snapshot then
[23:59] <rzr> brb