[00:04] <Xenocide21> anyone know if there is a software way to increase fan speed?
[00:24] <dark_abyss0> I cant get a mp3s to play can I get some help?
[00:28] <G-Blunted> hey i had that problem too
[00:28] <G-Blunted> look for the extra codec package in synaptic
[00:28] <G-Blunted> filter for "codec" or "extracodec"
[00:29] <G-Blunted> havn't tried it yet tho, so plz tell me if that works for you :)
[00:48] <keres> how do you install xubuntu inside of a windows install without booting from the CD? this laptop is said to not boot from a CD.
[00:53] <G-Blunted> cd work?
[00:53] <G-Blunted> player
[01:00] <charlie-tca> Use wubi?
[01:11] <Mood> keres: get to bios and change boot order
[02:40] <keres> I'm following this tutorial on how to install linux without burning a CD, and i need to get vmlinuz and initrd.gz off my xubuntu CD. these files are not in d:/isolinux where they are supposed to be inside of ubuntu
[02:41] <keres> is there an equivelant to these on xubuntu?
[02:42] <keres> nevermind, got it
[02:42] <zoredache> not sure where they are on the filesystem, but they are there somewhere
[04:02] <keres> when installing xubuntu on a crappy laptop i get to the first dialog window, the mouse cursor changes depending on where it is in the dialog but the dialog is completely empty
[04:18] <rocko> keres you there ?
[04:18] <rocko> what does this mean any body "Have you ever been bonded?"
[04:18] <rocko> what is BONDED ?
[04:39] <corey__> what's the install requirements (disk, memory, processor) for xubuntu?
[04:41] <Mood> what do you have?
[04:44] <corey__> I'll be installing on a CF card
[04:45] <corey__> memory and processor isn't an issue, was just curious
[04:45] <rocko> what is a CF card corey__ ?
[04:46] <corey__> rocko, CF stands for Compact Flash.
[04:46] <rocko> I see
[04:46] <rocko> what does that offer ?
[04:47] <corey__> it offers a flash based disk for decreased access times and no moving parts
[04:48] <rocko> I see
[04:49] <rocko> you mean for you to be able to put in a solid state memory hard drive corey__
[04:49] <corey__> I hear around that debian would require about 1 gig for installation?
[04:50] <corey__> rocko, yes my server uses a CF slot to boot from and I wish to keep xubuntu on it but I'm not sure of the required disk size to fit the installation
[04:54] <rocko> I am not sure it depends on if you want gui or not corey__
[04:54] <rocko> you could do a net install with debian and just select what you want
[04:55] <corey__> yes that is most likely what will happen. I'll assume a 1gb card will suffice
[05:47] <jkoltner> Question: How do I go about adding one of the programs on the regular application menu as an icon on a panel?  I just want to add "Terminal," but right-clicking the panel and selecting "Add New Item" doesn't show "Terminal" is an avaialble item.
[05:53] <jkoltner> Question: How do I go about adding one of the programs on the regular application menu as an icon on a panel?  I just want to add "Terminal," but right-clicking the panel and selecting "Add New Item" doesn't show "Terminal" is an avaialble item.
[06:10] <owen1> I use vaio with 1.33GHz (with xubuntu). my CPU reaches 100% everytime a page load on FF3. is it normal?
[06:12] <jkoltner> If you're using a high-speed (DSL/cable modem) connection, then I'd say yes, it is -- I have an Atom-based (1.6GHz) PC, and it does the same thing.
[06:13] <owen1> jkoltner: dsl, wireless.
[06:13] <forces> owen1, if you see a page with flash, yes
[06:14] <owen1> jkoltner: forces : i think it's every page. i need to test more.
[06:14] <jkoltner> owen1: You might try to find some "mostly text" pages to make the page really easy to render
[06:14] <forces> owen1, test www.debian.org
[06:14] <forces> just HTML and CSS
[06:15] <owen1> i used to have xp on this computer for a year, and i don't remember any issues.
[06:16]  * forces #sleep
[06:17] <jkoltner> Pegging your CPU while a page loads isn't usually a problem -- the rest of the system will keep multitasking while the page is loading, and if anything, multitasking works better under Linux than under Windows.
[06:17] <jkoltner> Granted, that might be little comfort for you.
[06:18] <owen1> but i have to wait 2 seconds just to be able to type anything. how do i know it's not a virus?
[06:19] <jkoltner> Try booting from a live CD or USB memory stick?
[06:19] <owen1> forces: even on debian's site, the cpu reached 100%
[06:22] <forces> that's not a virus
[06:22] <forces> ¬.¬
[06:22] <forces> u.u
[06:22] <forces> this isn't windows
[06:22] <forces> I think you can limit your CPU
[06:22] <forces> limit firefox*
[06:23] <forces> about:config
[06:23] <forces> I don't remember, but If you search you will find it
[06:24] <owen1> ok. i'll google for it.
[06:53] <owen1> is it possible to replace the cpu?
[06:53] <jkoltner> I'm guessing you're using a laptop there, Owen1?  In that case it's rarely possible to do so.
[06:53] <jkoltner> (Few laptops have socketed CPUs, although this isn't 100% the case.)
[06:54] <owen1> jkoltner: true. it's a vaio laptop
[06:54] <owen1> jkoltner: i wonder how much cpu i need to make my cpu calm down while browsing.
[06:55] <jkoltner> I'd suggest Googling the specific model that it is, along with, e.g., "cpu upgrade" and check the results...
[06:55] <jkoltner> Perhaps you can convince a few friends with faster laptops to let you boot a live CD?
[06:57] <jkoltner> I have an Atom 1.6GHz netbook that pegs the CPU, but also a AMD Turion 2 2.4GHz CPU that is generally never hitting 100%, but that doesn't say much because the AMD is probably at least 4x faster overall than the Atom.
[06:57] <jkoltner> I've got to get going... good luck!
[08:11] <R1cochet> does xubuntu have a disk defrag tool?
[08:12] <_Pete_> defragging is filesystem specific not xubuntu specific
[08:12] <R1cochet> ok so is there a tool to defrag a drive?
[08:13] <_Pete_> I am not sure if you even need one depends on the filesystem you use
[08:13] <R1cochet> im using ext3 for nix but i have 2 other drives that are ntfs
[08:16] <_Pete_> according to goole there seems to be http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsdefrag
[08:16] <_Pete_> oops
[08:16] <_Pete_> but that doesnt exists :)
[09:41] <myownserver> Can someone here tell me what the advantage is to using Xubuntu over other Ubuntu distros?
[09:54] <rocko> it uses Xfce 4 instead of kde or gnome myownserver
[09:55] <rocko> installing xfce on ubuntu or kubuntu will leave you will a lot of gnome and kde programs to remove if you are not going to use those desktop environments any more myownserver
[10:05] <jxander> how could i make xfce forget running applications, so it won't start multiple instances of apps when i log in next time?
[10:11] <jxander> any idea?
[10:16] <knome> jxander, 1: close *any* apps you don't want to run on login.
[10:16] <knome> jxander, 2: log out an uncheck the "save session for future login" box
[10:16] <knome> i mean... 2: do not uncheck, but log out :P
[10:16] <knome> 3: log in
[10:16] <knome> 4: next time you log out, uncheck the box
[10:20] <jxander> oh... lol... so I should remove the entries from autostarted apps, right?
[10:21] <Myrtti> mmmm no
[10:24] <jxander> i'm confused... so i should save a session and then disable next time save ses for future logins?
[10:24] <knome> yes, save session with no apps running
[10:27] <jxander> knome: thanks... i'll do that... now, back to snow shoveling... have a nice day!
[10:27] <knome> jxander, you too.
[10:35] <rocko> http://www.inatux.com/gnu
[10:37] <Steve_> hi all - i am a first time xubuntu user - what would you recommend for the easyest way to get windows network browsing accomplished? - thanks
[10:51] <durt> Steve_: If your still here, there is a tool under Applications -> System Tools called Shared Folders that will help you setup windows file sharing (cifs/smb/Samba), but you need a separate app to "browse" a network Thunar currently does not have that ability, but by all accounts will in Jaunty. I suggest pyneighbourhood for that or search synaptic for others.
[10:55] <Steve_> ok great
[10:56] <Steve_> I have set up the folder in shared folders
[10:56] <Steve_> and have pyneighborhood installed, which i am running as root, I can see the shared directory ion my windows box but that is as far as I can get
[10:57] <Steve_> it sayd failed to mount
[10:57] <Steve_> says
[10:57] <Steve_> the mount folder is a writable folder, any ideas why it wouldnt mount?
[10:57] <Steve_> thanks
[10:59] <durt> have you created the folder? does it exist?
[11:00] <Steve_> yeah its in home/myusername/
[11:01] <durt> generally in unix/linux the term is directory (dir), not folder (windows term) or in cases like this it's a 'mount point', root might not have privlegdes to your home dir.
[11:02] <Steve_> yeah, i really need to start speaking less windows-y :)
[11:03] <Steve_> ill try running it not in root
[11:03] <R1cochet> is gajim like pidgin in that pidgin can connect to multiple messenger servers at the same time?
[11:08] <Steve_> it returned the following [: 2: /home/myusername/.pyNeighborhood: unexpected operator
[11:08] <Steve_> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/myusername/.pyNeighborhood': File exists
[11:09] <TheSheep> R1cochet: gajim can only connect to jabber services, but there may be gateways to other services on your server
[11:11] <durt> Steve_: Whoa, stay away from .pyNeighborhood, just mkdir /home/<username>/public or some such.
[11:16] <rocko> FREE AS IN FREEDOM http://www.inatux.com/gnu
[11:17] <TheSheep> rocko: are you spamming?
[11:17] <_Pete_> so freedom cost only $274.99 (without monitor)
[11:18] <rocko> no TheSheep
[11:18] <rocko> you do not understand do you _Pete_
[11:18] <TheSheep> rocko: then how would you call it?
[11:19] <rocko> informing you
[11:19] <knome> rocko, nobody asked for that
[11:19] <rocko> with an alternative to the proprietary ubuntu os
[11:19] <durt> !offtopic
[11:19] <TheSheep> rocko: this is a support channel, please go to #xubuntu-offtopic for unrelated chatter
[11:20] <Steve_> yes! that worked perfectly durt, thanks very much for the help, I appreciate the help, this is my second go at linux, the first being some 10 years ago, people so helpful back than
[11:20] <durt> np
[11:21] <Steve_> * people not so
[11:21] <TheSheep> Steve_: you must have tried debian ;)
[11:22] <durt> Considering the state of linux dev back then I doubt something like ubuntu would be possible.
[11:22] <Steve_> is there any particular reason all this stuff isnt all turned on and installed by default? it is just to strip it down as much as possible?
[11:24] <durt> Steve_: a lot of people would never touch windows networking with a 60' pole. :-)
[11:24] <rocko> debian rules
[11:24] <rocko> you should also try out sidux
[11:24] <TheSheep> Steve_: there are many reasons, depending on which stuff you mean. samba browsing requires some manual setup, samba shares are nto enabled to discourage using it, codecs are not installed because they are illegal in some countries, etc.
[11:25] <rocko> sidux is a good alternative to distros packages with debian sid like ubuntu
[11:25] <rocko> it is vanilla does not really add any thing to it like the other distros like it so it works smoother
[11:26] <rocko> going to switch to it soon
[11:26] <Steve_> yeah, i understand that they wouldnt want to encourage using windows netwokring, but it sure would help bridge the gap for people like myself who, if they werent from an irc background, would maybe have given up already :)
[11:27] <rocko> why do you want to use windows networking Steve_ ?
[11:27] <rocko> you mean like SMB?
[11:27] <Steve_> thats what all of the other boxes are configured to and use
[11:27] <Steve_> this is the only linux on the network
[11:28] <Steve_> will slowely move them all over once i get good at it
[11:33] <Steve_> again, many thanks for the help durt
[12:23] <pwcq_> hi
[12:24] <pwcq_> is it safe to update to xfce4.6 on xubuntu 8.10?
[12:24] <TheSheep> no
[12:24] <TheSheep> !beta
[12:25] <TheSheep> hmm... not what I meant
[12:25] <TheSheep> !worksforme
[12:25] <TheSheep> here :)
[12:25] <pwcq_> TheSheep: I mean I know it's not finished version, but does it depend on some additional libraries (like hal) which could make the whole system unstable?
[12:27] <TheSheep> it can make your xfce unstable
[12:30] <pwcq_> TheSheep: I can deal with that, the only thing that I'm afraid is that it will pull some unstable versions of core libraries
[12:32] <TheSheep> like libxfce4gui?
[12:33] <TheSheep> pwcq_: what's 'core'?
[12:36] <pwcq_> TheSheep: xserver, gdm, cups daemon, hal...
[12:37] <pwcq_> I guess xfce depends on this packages
[12:37] <pwcq_> ohh... the most important: gtk libs
[12:40] <pwcq_> TheSheep: btw, does it work for you? ;)
[12:42] <TheSheep> pwcq_: patially
[12:42] <TheSheep> partially
[12:42] <knome> lol
[12:42] <TheSheep> pwcq_: ut I'm on jaunty now
[12:42] <knome> does it usually drop the R-letters?
[12:43]  * TheSheep <-- practicing touchtyping :/
[12:44] <knome> hah
[13:13] <pwcq_> inkscape-svn 20701-1  Last Updated: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:10:57 +0000
[13:13] <pwcq_> damn...
[13:13] <pwcq_> sorry, wrong channel
[13:42] <Pres-Gas> Hey all
[13:52] <titan-ark> Pres-Gas, hey :)
[13:59] <cody-somerville> \o_
[14:06] <Pres-Gas> Nice dancin' cody-somerville.
[14:06] <cody-somerville> :)
[14:07] <Pres-Gas> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another crisis averted!
[14:28] <Mizzy^> hi
[14:31] <Mizzy^> anyone around?
[14:32] <Pres-Gas> Hello, Mizzy^
[14:33] <Mizzy^> Hi
[14:34] <Mizzy^> I was wondering if there was an easy way to toggle between enabling/disabling the gui environment in xubuntu?
[14:34] <Mizzy^> Sorry my terminology is probably off there, I am not very good with this stuff.
[14:34] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+f1 / alt+ctrl+f7
[14:36] <Mizzy^> i mean at bootup
[14:37] <Pres-Gas> !upstart
[14:39] <Mizzy^> so, that doesn't look particularly easy
[14:39] <Mizzy^> I was hoping there was just a setting somewhere
[14:44] <Pres-Gas> I see a script that looks to emulate inittab in /etc/event.d that is where the upstart files are located
[14:45] <Mizzy^> sorry that is all way over my head
[14:45] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: well, you can do /etc/init.d/gdm stop   or  start
[14:46] <TheSheep> Mizzy^: ^
[14:46] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, TheSheep, isn't there a way to issue runlevel in grub?  It is excaping me at the moment.
[14:46]  * Pres-Gas RTFM's
[14:47] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: yeah, just put a number as the boot option
[14:48] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: but ubuntu has all runlevels, except special ones, equal, debian-style
[14:48] <TheSheep> of course you can change that
[14:49] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, but that should cover the one off "I really want console this time, but GUI by defalult".
[14:49] <Pres-Gas> Mizzy^, why are you wanting to get the console occasionally?
[14:49] <Pres-Gas> That may help TheSheep and I narrow your options down
[14:50] <Mizzy^> it is running on a pretty old computer and the GUI environment tends to make things run slower because it uses CPU time
[14:51] <Mizzy^> it is a computer that sits away from my desk and I just remote into it with VNC
[14:51] <Mizzy^> it was set up to auto login, and when it starts up it automatically runs something called 'x eleven vnc'
[14:52] <TheSheep> Mizzy^: if you don't mind logging in text mode each time, you can disable gdm altogether and just start startxfce4 when you want gui
[14:52] <Pres-Gas> Are you accessing it on a lan (your home/work) or outside (coffeeshop)?
[14:53] <Mizzy^> it is a home network
[14:53] <Pres-Gas> Do you ever want to access it ouside of home, Mizzy^?
[14:54] <Mizzy^> i think if it just booted into text mode, but auto logged-in and ran that vnc thing and I could still connect in text mode, that would be good.  then i could just start up the gui if i wanted to
[14:54] <Mizzy^> no i dont think i would need to at this time
[14:55] <Pres-Gas> ubottu, tell Mizzy^ about vnc
[14:55] <Pres-Gas> The link there you should bookmark in case you want to access it from the outside, Mizzy^
[14:56] <Mizzy^> i see it mentioned something about freenx too.. someone told me about that and i looked at it but i think it was pretty complicated to set it up
[14:57] <Pres-Gas> It has gotten better, but yeah, you need to read up
[14:57] <_Pete_> Mizzy^: for me it worked by just installing the .deb packages
[15:00] <Mizzy^> So is it possible to continue what I'm doing now but boot into the text mode instead?
[15:00] <Mizzy^> brb
[15:11] <Mizzy^> back
[15:31] <Mizzy^> i guess everyone disappeared
[15:32] <Pres-Gas> Nope, just at our day jobs or lurking, shake the jar by just asking a question and the fireflies will light up...
[15:33] <Pres-Gas> Just don't shake too hard
[15:33] <Mizzy^> haha I am at my job too
[15:34] <Mizzy^>  I'm just not clear on if this is going to work, or how to do it.  I want to be able to start up in text mode, and automatically run the vnc thing, so I can remote in.
[15:34] <Mizzy^> someone mentioned something about 'startxfce4' manually each time, which I think would work ok
[15:39] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, there is a way to kill off gdm (Gnome Display Manager)
[15:40] <Mizzy^> i thought it was 'xfce' and not gnome?
[15:41] <Myrtti> Mizzy^: xfce uses gdm
[15:41] <Myrtti> well, xubuntu uses gdm
[15:41] <Mizzy^> I guess I'm not familiar with what that is :\
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> The short version, Mizzy^ is that you will need to install the package called !sysv-rc-conf, read up on how to use it, and edit rc2 (the default runlevel) to not start !gdm
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> gerrr
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> !sysv-rc-conf
[15:46]  * Pres-Gas shakes fist at ubottu.
[15:47] <Mizzy^> Why is everything named so obscurly?
[15:47] <Pres-Gas> Myrtti or TheSheep, does my short version sound good or you all have better options?
[15:49] <Mizzy^> There should just be a dang checkbox in the settings :-\
[15:51] <Pres-Gas> Mizzy^, you are a genius!!! I forgot about Services.  If you go to the main menu and then go to System, you should see an app called Services
[15:52] <Pres-Gas> Open it up and unlock it...then you should be able to uncheck gdm.
[15:52]  * Pres-Gas is too in love with the commandline and forgot that there was a GUI option for this.
[16:03] <Mizzy^> I am definitely not a genius when it comes to this linux stuff :|
[16:03] <Mizzy^> Ok I will try to uncheck GDM in there today.
[16:03] <Mizzy^> Then when I boot up... what happens?
[16:04] <Pres-Gas> you should just get a text login prompt
[16:05] <Mizzy^> hmm
[16:05] <Mizzy^> that is an issue
[16:05] <Pres-Gas> Everything else should go fine...now this autologin thing you have going, Mizzy^, describe that a bit more
[16:05] <Mizzy^> yeah
[16:05] <Pres-Gas> before you totally dive in
[16:05] <Mizzy^> ok so right now it does auto login
[16:05] <Mizzy^> so the desktop just comes up
[16:06] <Mizzy^> then, under settings, there is an entry for the vnc thing to run on startup
[16:06] <Mizzy^> so basically, without logging in, vnc wouldn't start
[16:06] <Mizzy^> and I wouldn't be able to connect
[16:09] <Pres-Gas> What is the thing called under Settings?
[16:10] <Mizzy^> oh boy I don't remember for sure
[16:10] <charlie-tca> login window
[16:10] <Mizzy^> I remember that.. you click on the Applications thing in the top left
[16:10] <Mizzy^> and it's the first option down..
[16:10] <Mizzy^> then the little panel pops up and there's an option in there for things to auto run on startup
[16:13] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, I dont' think so, but maybe.  Mizzy^ did someone help you set this up?
[16:13] <Mizzy^> yeah
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Sounds like auto-start in settings manager
[16:13] <Mizzy^> yes that sounds like it
[16:13] <Mizzy^> it is a big long command for "x11vnc"
[16:14] <Mizzy^> it has parameters or whatever to make it so there's a password and stuff
[16:14] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, that command would have to be set somewhere else, eh?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> You can set it up in autostarted apps, using the add button and writing a one-line script
[16:16] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, but Mizzy^ wants to get rid of the GUI upon occasion.
[16:17] <charlie-tca> yet be able to autologin to the desktop at other times?
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> Mizzy^, I would seriously go with the documentation ubottu provided or talk to the person who set you up...If you want to be independent on this, read up on vnc a bit, though.
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> !vnc
[16:18] <charlie-tca> agreed
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> The documentation is pretty good, really it is
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Hard to change what someone else decided to try
[16:19] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, there may be things that you don't know your helper set up that we would accidentally break, Mizzy^.
[16:21] <Mizzy^> I know what vnc is, I use it regularly on windows machines
[16:21] <Mizzy^> I know how he set it up, I was right there. :)
[16:21] <Mizzy^> He put the x11vnc line in the auto start section
[16:28] <_Pete_> Mizzy^: I just tried, with freenx you can use remote desktop even the X is not running on the remote machine
[16:28] <_Pete_> wouldn't that solve your problem?
[16:30] <adye> hello
[16:31] <Pres-Gas> !freenx
[16:31] <adye> i have a problem......... my screen resolution is only 800 X 600? any idea how i can resolve the issue
[16:31] <adye> i installed the lastest xubuntu 8.10
[16:32] <charlie-tca> adye: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[16:33] <adye> ok TY
[16:33] <Pres-Gas> ubottu, tell adye about resolution
[16:33] <adye> ok
[16:38] <Mizzy^> yes FreeNX might work
[16:39] <Mizzy^> I am not overly confident in my abilities to get it installed, but I will try
[16:39] <Mizzy^> can you use that apt-get thingy?
[16:39] <Pres-Gas> Just take your time and make copies of files the instructions tell you to edit, Mizzy^
[16:39] <Pres-Gas> apt-get or aptitude or synaptic
[16:39] <adye> hi im back
[16:40] <adye> my computer freeze with your command
[16:40] <Pres-Gas> wb
[16:40] <adye> ubottu
[16:41] <adye> i need easy command..for setting my resolution 1024 X780  ?
[16:41] <adye> anyone know one command for do that
[16:41] <adye> my computer is laptop a20 satellite
[16:41] <adye> toshiba
[16:42] <TheSheep> adye: xrandr
[16:42] <adye> ok ty
[16:42] <adye> i got
[16:42] <adye> that
[16:43] <adye> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600
[16:43] <adye> default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[16:43] <adye>    800x600        60.0*    56.0
[16:43] <adye>    640x480        60.0
[16:43] <adye>    400x300        60.0     56.0
[16:43] <adye>    320x240        60.0
[16:44] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, I had ubottu tell adye about !resolution. Must not have seen that there was a link to what you were talking about...RTFM....RTFM.
[16:44] <adye> hi im back
[16:45] <Pres-Gas> adye, there was a link to a wiki page...read up on that
[16:45] <Pres-Gas> !resolution
[16:45] <TheSheep> adye: xrandr takes parameters, you can see what they are with xrandr --help and read more about them with 'man xrandr'
[16:45] <TheSheep> adye: one of the functions lets you change the resolution
[16:45] <adye> okkk
[16:46] <TheSheep> adye: also, please read that page on the wiki
[16:46] <adye> so what i should do..use xrandry^
[16:46] <adye> or try to restart x
[16:46] <TheSheep> adye: it has some more helpful advices
[16:47] <adye> ok
[16:47] <TheSheep> I think restarting shouldn't be necessary
[16:48] <adye> ook thesheep..any way to setting auto   ?
[16:48] <adye> to my resolution
[16:48] <TheSheep> xrandr --auto
[16:48] <adye> ok ty
[16:48] <adye>  i will try that
[16:49] <TheSheep> but your problem might be that your graphics card driver thnks that your monitor can't handle larger resolutions
[16:49] <adye> oook thesheep.where i can update my driver card ?any idea
[16:50] <TheSheep> adye: if you go to system->hardware drivers, it will tell you if you use any special drivers
[16:50] <TheSheep> and let you enable them if not
[16:50] <adye> thesheep
[16:50] <adye> is it normal
[16:50] <adye> i dont see system
[16:50] <TheSheep> in the menu
[16:51] <TheSheep> applications->system->hardware drivers
[16:51] <adye> ok
[16:52] <adye> my driver for my graphic card.is not there
[16:52] <TheSheep> what does 'lspci | grep VGA' say?
[16:52] <TheSheep> in terminal
[16:53] <TheSheep> it's a single line, you can paste it here :)
[16:53] <Mizzy^> Ok, I will look into this FreeNX thing.
[16:53] <adye> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XPAi1 (rev 82)
[16:55] <TheSheep> that card doesn't need any special drivers, it should just work
[16:56] <adye> thesheep..my computer is laptop toshiba a20
[16:56] <adye> satellite
[16:57] <TheSheep> adye: somobody had the same problem http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3099842.0
[16:57] <adye> ok ty and is it resolve one the forum
[16:59] <TheSheep> adye: he replaced his /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with the one he posted there
[16:59] <TheSheep> adye: you can edit yours with 'sudo mousepad /etc/xorg.conf'
[16:59] <TheSheep> sorry
[16:59] <TheSheep> adye: 'sudo mousepad /etc/X11//xorg.conf'
[17:02] <adye> ok the sheep
[17:02] <adye> what i should edit in  my
[17:02] <adye> xorg.conf
[17:04] <TheSheep> adye: he posted his on that forum, just replace it
[17:05] <adye> ok i willl try that
[17:05] <adye> that
[17:06] <adye> ok i saved
[17:07] <adye> i wiill try to rebboot ^ ? can i know without reboot
[17:07] <adye> ^
[17:07] <adye> ?
[17:07] <TheSheep> now close all your apps and restart X by pressing alt+ctrl+backspace
[17:07] <TheSheep> you will have to relogin
[17:07] <adye> ok
[17:09] <adye> im back
[17:09] <adye> ;)
[17:09] <adye> my resolution 1080....working
[17:09] <adye> :)
[17:09] <TheSheep> great
[17:09] <adye> ty
[17:09] <adye> i have another question...
[17:10] <adye> i cannot find the samba gui..or add new samba folder
[17:10] <adye> ^
[17:10] <adye> in xubuntu
[17:10] <adye> 8.10
[17:10] <TheSheep> applications->system->shared folders
[17:11] <adye> ok ty sheep..im so beginner
[17:11] <TheSheep> no problem, we are here to help
[17:12] <adye> the sheep..whats difference between ubuntu and uxbuntu  ?
[17:14] <TheSheep> z!xubuntu
[17:14] <TheSheep> !xubuntu
[17:15] <adye> i tried...shared folder..and i clicked install..after,  add are still in grey
[17:15] <TheSheep> adye: try 'unlock'
[17:16] <adye> where i can enter the full smb path
[17:18] <adye> thesheep..i dont want share..  i want use smb client.for access to my shares
[17:18] <adye> on another microsoft computer
[17:18] <adye> ?
[17:18] <Pres-Gas> !mount.cifs
[17:19]  * Pres-Gas continues to shake fist at ubottu
[17:19] <TheSheep> !fusesmb
[17:19] <TheSheep> adye: short answer is that xubuntu can't do it by itself, long answer is taht you can do it with FUSE
[17:20] <TheSheep> adye: ut it requires some setup
[17:20] <adye> ok thesheep.. can you give a little guidance..im newbie ?
[17:20] <adye> where i should go to install fuse
[17:21] <steve``> apt-get install fusesmb
[17:22] <adye> ok after
[17:22] <adye> steve
[17:22] <Pres-Gas> A thorough reading of this should also help out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280473
[17:24] <adye> any gui
[17:24] <adye> for fuse
[17:24] <adye>  ?
[17:27] <zoredache> not really
[17:28] <steve``> when i was messing around with it, kde's file manager could browse fuse shares
[17:28] <steve``> been a while though
[17:29] <adye> ok steven.. im not use kde..
[17:29] <adye> the default desktop with xubuntu
[17:29] <adye> XFCE
[17:29] <rocko> what is FUSE?
[17:29] <Pres-Gas> !fuse
[17:30] <steve``> iirc, i created a mountpoint like /network, and fuse made a virtual mount like workgroup/pc/share under that
[17:30] <genii> There any way to make the activity icon of the cursor display on top of inactive windows when something is loading? snotify flag int he menu xml doesn't seem to be it...
[17:43] <steve``> where do i specify which dhcp client should be used?
[17:44] <zoredache> steve``: why do you have more then one?
[17:44] <steve``> i don't (yet)
[17:44] <steve``> i want to replace dhclient with dhcpcd
[17:45] <steve``> but dhclient is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal
[17:45] <steve``> so i'd have both installed
[17:46] <Pres-Gas> You shoud be able to uninstall ubuntu-minimal with no ill effects...it is a metapackage...
[17:46] <Pres-Gas> !ubuntu-minimal
[17:47] <zoredache> it your interfaces you could define a 'manual' interface, and then use a command like 'up dhcpcd' to start the other client...
[17:48] <zoredache> what does dhcpcd give you that dhclient doesn't?
[17:49] <steve``> that's what i used before
[17:49] <steve``> and have a bunch of stuff for it already
[18:28] <atari> hi
[18:29] <atari> how can i find out which script gives me a maintenance needed on bootup?
[18:29] <zoredache> sorry?
[18:29] <atari> Give root password for maintenance
[18:29] <atari> (or type Control-D to continue):
[18:29] <atari> i get that every single bootup
[18:30] <zoredache> does it tell you you need to run fsck before you see that message?
[18:30] <atari> nope
[18:30] <zoredache> the file /etc/defaults/rcS has en entry 'sulogin' if that is yes, it will force that prompt every bootup
[18:31] <atari> SULOGIN=no
[18:32] <zoredache> well anyway, the script that actually does it is /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh
[18:32] <atari> i just enabled the debug option for sh
[18:32] <atari> i hope to get more informations...
[18:32] <zoredache> but it usually only prompts you if you have some form of error reloated to a filesystem
[18:33] <zoredache> do you have anything that isn't working in your fstab?
[18:33] <atari> /dev/hda1       /       ext2    defaults,noatime,rw     0       0
[18:33] <atari> and proc + tmpfs
[18:35] <zoredache> ext2?
[18:35] <atari> jep
[18:35] <atari> thats alright ;)
[18:35] <zoredache> why?
[18:36] <atari> its an alix board with a CF card as hdd
[18:36] <zoredache> ah
[18:37] <Mood> what wifi managers do you guys use? i just use the default networkmanager, which doesn't seem to auto connect to an encrypted network
[18:40] <Pres-Gas> Mood, there is wicd and NetworkManager.  Can you connect at all to the encrypted networks?
[18:40] <Mood> Pres-Gas: yes, I can connect. but if it disconnects, it does not auto-reconnect. i haven't tried wicd yet. but is networkmanager supposed to auto-connect once dropped?
[18:41] <Pres-Gas> It should
[18:41] <Mood> Pres-Gas: "it should" = networkmanager should auto-reconnect after dropping?
[18:41] <zoredache> Mood: it does for me...  Though I have problems at work, but I think it is because we have 5 APs, and something doesn't like roaming
[18:42] <Mood> have either you guys edited /etc/network/interfaces?
[18:43] <zoredache> I have edited it hundreds if times for systems, never for anything wifi related though
[18:43] <Mood> i.e. manually put in your encryption settings into /etc/network/interfaces
[18:44] <jxander> i can't see any progress bars when copying something from my memory stick to my desktop, but if I copy something to the stick i see a progress bar. any ideas? :-s
[18:44] <Mood> zoredache: my /etc/network/interfaces only has the default "auto lo // iface lo inet loopback"
[18:44] <Pres-Gas> Editing the interfaces file can stomp on NetworkManager
[18:45] <Pres-Gas> I do not think NetworkManager utilizes /ete/network/interfaces
[18:45] <Mood> Does anyone know if NetworkManager is a daemon process that auto checks for dropped connections?
[18:45] <Mood> If not, that explains why it doesn't reconnect
[18:47] <Pres-Gas> Mood, you using 8.10 (intrepid)?
[18:47] <Mood> Pres-Gas: yes, 8.10 w/ all updates
[18:49] <Pres-Gas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager0.7 Mood
[18:54] <Mood> Pres-Gas: doesn't help :-( it's too generic
[18:57] <Mood> could it be my network SSID is not broadcast?
[19:02] <Pres-Gas> !bug295796
[19:04] <Pres-Gas> Mood, this may be a confirmed bug with hidden SSID: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/295796
[19:06] <Mood> Pres-Gas: yes i saw that bug report page -- but there's some confusion to bug status/workarounds/whether it's a real bug or not
[19:06] <Pres-Gas> If you look at the top, it says it is confirmed
[19:07] <Mood> Pres-Gas: :-) that it is recognized. :-( that it is a bug
[19:07] <Pres-Gas> yeah, I hear ya
[19:10] <Mood> Pres-Gas: well, if it were micro$soft, their response would be: "Oh, that's not a BUG.. it's a FEATURE!"
[19:11] <zoredache> why don't you broadcast your ssid?  all you do is make your network less reliable... it doesn't add any security to your network
[19:12] <Mood> zoredache: what do you mean? if i don't broadcast it, how can people try connecting to it? it seems more secure
[19:12] <Mood> zoredache: i guess my question would be: can people see my network if i don't broadcast my SSID?
[19:12] <zoredache> because every packet trasmited includes it
[19:13] <zoredache> yes, all they have to do, is see you actually using your network
[19:13] <Mood> hmm.... disturbing...
[19:13] <Mood> do sniffers scan for hidden SSID?
[19:13] <zoredache> not really.  the SSID is not a security mechanism.. if you want security use wpa
[19:14] <Pres-Gas> M$ uses security by obscurity
[19:14] <zoredache> they watch for traffic, if someone is using networks, they can detect it
[19:14] <Mood> hmm...... more disturbing by the minute....
[19:15] <Mood> unfortunately i have to use WEP for my 2 router bridge/repeater to work
[19:15] <Mood> i'd prefer to use WPA but my routers don't support that for bridging
[19:15] <zoredache> you could always use no security, and thet setup some ipsec between your hosts
[19:15] <Mood> so i thought hiding my SSID was one more "poor man's" security... but evidently it is useless
[19:15] <zoredache> of course that would be a bit more complex
[19:16] <zoredache> Mood: check this out http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=454
[19:16] <Mood> heh... MAC filtering: guilty
[19:17] <Mood> use static IP addresses: guilty
[19:17] <Mood> SSID hiding: guilty
[19:23] <ladanz> hi guys!
[19:24] <ladanz> somehow i cant install subversion
[19:24] <ladanz> cause there are some dependencies missing
[19:24] <ladanz> can anybody tell me why?
[19:24] <zoredache> how are you trying to install?  what dependancies are missing?
[19:26] <ladanz> i tried over apt-get and it said 'subversion' has no install candidate
[19:27] <TheSheep> !info subversion
[19:27] <ladanz> and i tried over synaptic to install rapidsvn (and others) and there were missing dependencies all the way
[19:27] <TheSheep> ladanz: make sure you have the main repository enabled in software sources
[19:27] <ladanz> i check
[19:29] <ladanz> is it the first checkbox in synaptic? the one which says something about canocial?
[19:29] <ladanz> yeah
[19:29] <ladanz> thanks
[19:30] <ladanz> that seems to fixed the problem....
[19:31] <ladanz> somehow i probably unchecked that one time
[19:32] <ladanz> thanks again, and have a good day!
[19:50] <atari> rcS.d is before runlevel 2, isnt it?
[19:52] <Pres-Gas> atari, linux will tend to use only the runlevel it is told to run...I think BSDs and Solaris will run scripts from each runlevel up to the runlevel you want
[19:52] <atari> Starting portmap daemon....
[19:52] <atari> Give root password for maintenance
[19:52] <atari> (or type Control-D to continue):
[19:52] <atari> INIT: Entering runlevel: 2
[19:52] <atari> i'm searching the script which causes that
[19:53] <Pres-Gas> So, it will not traverse the directories
[19:56] <zoredache> atari: yes, rcS.d is ran first
[20:00] <atari> grmbl
[20:10] <Pres-Gas> zoredache, okay, now I am confused...I thought that was typical init behavior ... Then I look at /etc/event.d/rc-default and I see in it "start on stopped rcS"
[20:10] <Pres-Gas> Now, WTF does that mean
[20:11]  * Pres-Gas will need to get his head wrapped around upstart a bit more.
[20:16] <zoredache> I don't know what that means..... I do know that all the 'single user' scripts in /etc/rcS.d are executed first before changing to whatever the user has defined as the normal runlevel
[20:16] <Pres-Gas> OOOOKay, start on stopped rcS means that the rc-default job will start after rcS, so rcS.d is run first...
[20:16] <Pres-Gas> I love being wrong...love learning things
[20:17] <zoredache> well it is somewhat obvious that stuff in rcS.d is run.  It is the only place where networking, firewalling, disk mounting, etc is done
[20:18] <zoredache> but I algree that 'start on stopped rcS' line really could use a comment
[20:19] <Pres-Gas> zoredache, true dat
[21:34] <adye> hi
[21:35] <adye> i have a p4 computer 2.8ghz..is it normal.. just run system monitor ,ressources   ,consume around 20% CPU
[22:35] <yojimbo-san> My XFCE desktop won't login; pauses at "starting the desktop manager". There are 50 gnome-power-manager, 52 update-notifier and 237 jockey-gtk processes running!! killing them doesn't seem to help, reboots don't help, deleting ~/.gnome* didn't help ... what can I do next??
[22:39] <Myrtti> yojimbo-san: you could try hmmm...
[22:39] <Myrtti> yojimbo-san: you could delete .config/xfce4-session? or rename it
[22:42] <yojimbo-san> Myrtti: ooh, that helped :-) let me check the machine state now ...
[22:43] <yojimbo-san> looks good. I didn't look in .config when trying to identify stuff to delete :-)
[22:47] <Myrtti> hehe
[22:47] <Myrtti> np