| Ahmuck | hi | 00:26 |
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| Ahmuck | anybody notice the scaling issue with ubuntu ltsp & edubuntu and 8.04? | 00:27 |
| Ahmuck | i couldn't help but wonder if this is the same problem i'm having. is ubuntu ltsp being tested anywhere? | 00:27 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: i've got plenty of 8.04 installs | 00:32 |
| Lns | you referring to the list post? | 00:32 |
| LaserJock | it seems to me generally that LTSP5 doesn't scale quite as well as LTSP4 | 00:47 |
| LaserJock | but you gain a heck of a lot making the jump | 00:47 |
| Lns | scale past what # of clients? It's hard to say "X doesn't scale" because the hardware makes all the difference | 00:50 |
| Lns | (server/network hardware mostly) | 00:50 |
| johnb | Hello | 00:57 |
| johnb | I'm looking for some documentation I ran across the other day relating to adding flashplayer and OO clipart | 00:58 |
| Lns | johnb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ | 00:58 |
| johnb | thats it! thanks | 00:59 |
| Lns | np =) | 00:59 |
| Lns | damn i love that wiki | 00:59 |
| johnb | I'm really excited about the prospects of our upgraded LTSP | 01:01 |
| Lns | johnb: well keep involved with the community, we're growing all the time and are very active. we could use more peoples' input | 01:02 |
| * Lns waves goodnight to all | 01:02 | |
| Ahmuck | Lns yes | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck: what do you mean by "is ubuntu ltsp being tested anywhere?" ? | 01:46 |
| stgraber | I usually have between 50 and 100 users on each appserver | 01:49 |
| stgraber | and several hundreds connections on the NBD | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: are those full desktops with flash, java, etc.? | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | or just single use kind of things | 01:49 |
| stgraber | full desktop | 01:50 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: so do you think the issue is hardware related? | 01:50 |
| stgraber | for whole school districts so basically all K12, that's from gcompris to OO/inkscape/kdeedu | 01:50 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: yeah, usually good hardware really helps for X performances and you also need a good network | 01:51 |
| stgraber | flash is unfortunately really bad with LTSP but works fine as a localapp | 01:51 |
| stgraber | and you don't get that many users doing flash at the same time actually (5-6 on each server usually) | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: the guy in the thread today seemed to have good hardware specs | 01:53 |
| Ahmuck | what proc? | 03:19 |
| Ahmuck | stgraber: what proc? | 03:19 |
| Ahmuck | i have decent hardware specs but i'm having issues as well | 03:22 |
| Ahmuck | my issues seem to be icon related. to many icons, ie, pdf preview icons, folder icons, etc. and the desktop looses it's task bar and menu bars | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | huh, interesting | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck: like with how many clients? | 03:26 |
| stgraber | Ahmuck: either 2xDual Xeon or 1xQuad Xeon | 03:45 |
| stgraber | Ahmuck: though we're now getting some new blades with 2xQuad Xeon | 03:45 |
| LaserJock | so for the Universe app bundles Lns suggested ubuntu-edu-extras-* | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | anybody have other suggestions? | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | alkisg, Ahmuck , stgraber ^^ | 04:29 |
| alkisg | Good morning all. Sorry, I'm not experienced enough to express an opinion in package naming... :) | 04:34 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: sounds good | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | alkisg: well, that's a good thing | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | alkisg: do you think you would know what ubuntu-edu-extras-preschool would be for? | 04:39 |
| alkisg | LaserJock: At first I didn't even get what "ubuntu-restricted-extras" meant... | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | ohhhh, good point actually | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | alkisg: do you think people might think it's like -restricted-extras (non-free stuff)? | 04:41 |
| alkisg | What will the bundles contain? Everything edu-related that is in universe? | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | not everything | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | it will be a subset of packages that we think are important and useful for educators | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | but they will all be from Universe | 04:43 |
| alkisg | !info compiz-fusion-plugins-extra | 04:49 |
| ubottu | compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (source: compiz-fusion-plugins-extra): Collection of extra plugins from OpenCompositing for Compiz. In component main, is extra. Version 0.7.8-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 2456 kB, installed size 9236 kB | 04:49 |
| alkisg | !info gnome-accessibility-themes-extras | 04:49 |
| ubottu | gnome-accessibility-themes-extras (source: gnome-themes): accessibility themes for the GNOME 2 desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 698 kB, installed size 3444 kB | 04:49 |
| alkisg | OK, ubuntu-edu-extras-preschool or ubuntu-preschool-extras sounds good :) | 04:50 |
| alkisg | (or maybe ubuntu-edu-preschool-extras, with the "extras" going to the end, to match the other package names I see...) | 05:06 |
| alkisg | (in case an "ubuntu-edu-preschool-main" is also needed) | 05:07 |
| Meshezabeel | anyone know if there is a graphics channel on irc? | 05:15 |
| Meshezabeel | you there Ahmuck? | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | Meshezabeel: you might try #ubuntu-x | 05:17 |
| Meshezabeel | LaserJock, Sorry, I mean for images/drawings. | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | ohh | 05:22 |
| Meshezabeel | Do you think this image would scare away kids: http://imagebin.org/38675 | 05:22 |
| Meshezabeel | Basically I suck at artwork, but am making some language teaching software for kids, I just want something temporarily as a cute logo or something. Normally I cannot even draw a stick person, but I just played around in GIMP, and this came out, I wouldn't be able to do it again if I tried though. | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | Meshezabeel: it looks like a frog to me | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | Meshezabeel: you might want to try inkscape | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | I'm not an art person at all but I've been able to make decent icons with it | 05:24 |
| Meshezabeel | okay, thanks :) | 05:25 |
| Meshezabeel | I'll probably just use what I made for now, just wanted to make sure I wasn't givivg kids nightmares with a scary looking face. | 05:26 |
| Aly | Gah, it won't let me download plugins. | 06:05 |
| Meshezabeel | Thanks for coming Aly :) | 06:15 |
| morgs | LaserJock: pong, thanks for your reply to the mail | 08:48 |
| LaserJock | morgs: I don't think I had anything specific to ask you, just wanted to see how it was going | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | morgs: btw, I don't know if you saw, but I'm the motu-release delegate for Edubuntu | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | which includes Sugar | 08:50 |
| morgs | excellent | 08:50 |
| morgs | almost done with pre-feature freeze uploads, then I'll have a bunch of new-upstream-but-bugfix-only uploads coming | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | k | 08:50 |
| morgs | This abiword thing is a bit of a mess - I'll see if I can get a patch today. I'm only familiar with cdbs packaging at this stage, and abiword doesn't use that - resulting in a very complex debian/rules, and a different way to specify install locations | 08:51 |
| morgs | and it takes so long to build that it's hard to test - build - fail - test - build - fail :) | 08:52 |
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| LaserJock | hi Lns | 18:05 |
| Lns | hey LaserJock =) | 18:05 |
| * Lns likes the warm greetings! | 18:05 | |
| Lns | How's everyone in edubuntuland today | 18:05 |
| Meshezabeel | Doing well Lns, you? | 18:10 |
| Lns | Meshezabeel: I'm doing well, as well | 18:12 |
| Meshezabeel | Well, well, that's swell. | 18:18 |
| Lns | lol | 18:19 |
| Meshezabeel | :) | 18:20 |
| more | Hello all. | 18:27 |
| Meshezabeel | The more the merrier. | 18:27 |
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| Guest59923 | I was in the other day with the dell that had the nad NIC as my server. | 18:27 |
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| morehpperliter | Sweet. | 18:28 |
| morehpperliter | So anywho. | 18:28 |
| Meshezabeel | still didn't get it working? | 18:28 |
| morehpperliter | All the machines see the sever and all is well I was just curious if there was Docs around about setting up the clients. | 18:29 |
| morehpperliter | Not sure how to limit them. | 18:29 |
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| morehpperliter | How to give them certain apps and limiting their browsing. | 18:29 |
| morehpperliter | It's for a public library. | 18:29 |
| morehpperliter | Well. Three total. | 18:29 |
| Meshezabeel | clients are server are ubuntu? | 18:30 |
| morehpperliter | Server is edubuntu. | 18:30 |
| morehpperliter | Clients boot PXE. | 18:30 |
| Meshezabeel | so server is acting as a terminal server? | 18:30 |
| morehpperliter | I suppose. | 18:31 |
| morehpperliter | Are the different desktops for "Clients" controlled by their logins? | 18:31 |
| Meshezabeel | I am not 100% sure how to do this, but you can search for something like: Ubuntu kiosk | 18:32 |
| Lns | morehpperliter: the first thing you want to do is remove any unneeded apps..if they're not available, people can't use them | 18:32 |
| morehpperliter | remove them from server? | 18:33 |
| Lns | and yeah, like Meshezabeel said, you might want to look into using kiosk type setups instead to really limit everything | 18:33 |
| Lns | you can also lock down gnome (if that's what you're using) with gconf - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeOptimize | 18:33 |
| Meshezabeel | as for browsing you might want something like dansgardian | 18:33 |
| morehpperliter | So. can I have some clients running one thing nad others running something else? | 18:34 |
| morehpperliter | Like some in Kiosk mode and some in desktop? | 18:34 |
| Lns | i'd have to assume that's possible somehow | 18:35 |
| morehpperliter | not common or easy? | 18:35 |
| Meshezabeel | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ#Can%20I%20have%20some%20of%20my%20thin%20clients%20work%20as%20anonymous%20web%20kiosks? | 18:36 |
| Meshezabeel | I've never set up an ltsp server before, so is over my head :) | 18:37 |
| morehpperliter | *lol* | 18:39 |
| morehpperliter | Isn't this edubuntu? | 18:39 |
| Meshezabeel | isn't what edubuntu? | 18:40 |
| Meshezabeel | edubuntu (as with all linux distros) can be installed on single machines without being a terminal server | 18:42 |
| morehpperliter | Oh? | 19:01 |
| morehpperliter | I thought it was tls | 19:01 |
| morehpperliter | I thought it was tlsp only. | 19:01 |
| ogra | edubuntu is a set of educational and teaching applications on top of ubuntu | 19:03 |
| ogra | ubuntu comes with ltsp out of the box, not related to edubuntu | 19:03 |
| morehpperliter | gotcha | 19:08 |
| Meshezabeel | and just because it has ltsp, does not mean you are required to use it :) | 19:09 |
| Meshezabeel | Of course, it is a very useful feature that greatly eases administration and allows you to use substandard clients. | 19:11 |
| Lns | morehpperliter: edubuntu used to have ltsp integration, and was promoted as 'the' ltsp distro for a while..but ltsp evolved into ubuntu itself and edubuntu re-focussed on educational apps outside of ltsp | 19:27 |
| Lns | it's been a long, windy road so far =) | 19:28 |
| ogra | nah :) | 19:36 |
| ogra | it was a smooth ride :) | 19:36 |
| ogra | edubuntu used to be the testbed for ltsp5 when i worked on it | 19:36 |
| ogra | when it was advanced enough it simply made its way into ubuntu | 19:37 |
| morgs | LaserJock: I think I fixed the libabiword issue - I posted a debdiff on bug 320440 | 19:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 320440 in abiword "Sugar needs abiword built with libabiword" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320440 | 19:38 |
| LaserJock | morgs: good work | 19:39 |
| LaserJock | morgs: how much have you tested that? | 19:44 |
| Aly | Can someone help? | 21:05 |
| morehpperliter | whats the problem? | 21:18 |
| morehpperliter | I'm a newb myself. | 21:18 |
| Meshezabeel | Aly is gone | 21:18 |
| Meshezabeel | Aly likes to come into the channel, say something, and leave a few seconds later. | 21:19 |
| morehpperliter | *lol* interestin. | 21:26 |
| morehpperliter | Then, configure the DHCP server (/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf) to tell those thin clients to use the kiosk root by typing: | 22:12 |
| morehpperliter | Does that make ALL the clients operate in kiosk mode? | 22:12 |
| Meshezabeel | I think there might be some info missing on that instruction page. | 22:13 |
| morehpperliter | On alot of pages... | 22:16 |
| morehpperliter | <edubuntu> Check our documentation. | 22:17 |
| morehpperliter | <edubuntu> Or bother the IRC channel | 22:17 |
| morehpperliter | I'm out | 22:49 |
| morehpperliter | exit | 22:49 |
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