[00:26] <Ahmuck> hi
[00:27] <Ahmuck> anybody notice the scaling issue with ubuntu ltsp & edubuntu and 8.04?
[00:27] <Ahmuck> i couldn't help but wonder if this is the same problem i'm having.  is ubuntu ltsp being tested anywhere?
[00:32] <Lns> Ahmuck: i've got plenty of 8.04 installs
[00:32] <Lns> you referring to the list post?
[00:47] <LaserJock> it seems to me generally that LTSP5 doesn't scale quite as well as LTSP4
[00:47] <LaserJock> but you gain a heck of a lot making the jump
[00:50] <Lns> scale past what # of clients? It's hard to say "X doesn't scale" because the hardware makes all the difference
[00:50] <Lns> (server/network hardware mostly)
[00:57] <johnb> Hello
[00:58] <johnb> I'm looking for some documentation I ran across the other day relating to adding flashplayer and       OO clipart
[00:58] <Lns> johnb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
[00:59] <johnb> thats it! thanks
[00:59] <Lns> np =)
[00:59] <Lns> damn i love that wiki
[01:01] <johnb> I'm really excited about the prospects of our upgraded LTSP
[01:02] <Lns> johnb: well keep involved with the community, we're growing all the time and are very active. we could use more peoples' input
[01:02]  * Lns waves goodnight to all
[01:20] <Ahmuck> Lns yes
[01:46] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: what do you mean by "is ubuntu ltsp being tested anywhere?" ?
[01:49] <stgraber> I usually have between 50 and 100 users on each appserver
[01:49] <stgraber> and several hundreds connections on the NBD
[01:49] <LaserJock> stgraber: are those full desktops with flash, java, etc.?
[01:49] <LaserJock> or just single use kind of things
[01:50] <stgraber> full desktop
[01:50] <LaserJock> stgraber: so do you think the issue is hardware related?
[01:50] <stgraber> for whole school districts so basically all K12, that's from gcompris to OO/inkscape/kdeedu
[01:51] <stgraber> LaserJock: yeah, usually good hardware really helps for X performances and you also need a good network
[01:51] <stgraber> flash is unfortunately really bad with LTSP but works fine as a localapp
[01:52] <stgraber> and you don't get that many users doing flash at the same time actually (5-6 on each server usually)
[01:53] <LaserJock> stgraber: the guy in the thread today seemed to have good hardware specs
[03:19] <Ahmuck> what proc?
[03:19] <Ahmuck> stgraber: what proc?
[03:22] <Ahmuck> i have decent hardware specs but i'm having issues as well
[03:23] <Ahmuck> my issues seem to be icon related.  to many icons, ie, pdf preview icons, folder icons, etc. and the desktop looses it's task bar and menu bars
[03:26] <LaserJock> huh, interesting
[03:26] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: like with how many clients?
[03:45] <stgraber> Ahmuck: either 2xDual Xeon or 1xQuad Xeon
[03:45] <stgraber> Ahmuck: though we're now getting some new blades with 2xQuad Xeon
[04:29] <LaserJock> so for the Universe app bundles Lns suggested ubuntu-edu-extras-*
[04:29] <LaserJock> anybody have other suggestions?
[04:29] <LaserJock> alkisg, Ahmuck , stgraber ^^
[04:34] <alkisg> Good morning all. Sorry, I'm not experienced enough to express an opinion in package naming... :)
[04:35] <stgraber> LaserJock: sounds good
[04:39] <LaserJock> alkisg: well, that's a good thing
[04:39] <LaserJock> alkisg: do you think you would know what ubuntu-edu-extras-preschool would be for?
[04:40] <alkisg> LaserJock: At first I didn't even get what "ubuntu-restricted-extras" meant...
[04:40] <LaserJock> ohhhh, good point actually
[04:41] <LaserJock> alkisg: do you think people might think it's like -restricted-extras (non-free stuff)?
[04:42] <alkisg> What will the bundles contain? Everything edu-related that is in universe?
[04:42] <LaserJock> not everything
[04:42] <LaserJock> it will be a subset of packages that we think are important and useful for educators
[04:43] <LaserJock> but they will all be from Universe
[04:49] <alkisg> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[04:49] <alkisg> !info gnome-accessibility-themes-extras
[04:50] <alkisg> OK, ubuntu-edu-extras-preschool or ubuntu-preschool-extras sounds good :)
[05:06] <alkisg> (or maybe ubuntu-edu-preschool-extras, with the "extras" going to the end, to match the other package names I see...)
[05:07] <alkisg> (in case an "ubuntu-edu-preschool-main" is also needed)
[05:15] <Meshezabeel> anyone know if there is a graphics channel on irc?
[05:16] <Meshezabeel> you there Ahmuck?
[05:17] <LaserJock> Meshezabeel: you might try #ubuntu-x
[05:21] <Meshezabeel> LaserJock, Sorry, I mean for images/drawings.
[05:22] <LaserJock> ohh
[05:22] <Meshezabeel> Do you think this image would scare away kids: http://imagebin.org/38675
[05:22] <Meshezabeel>  Basically I suck at artwork, but am making some language teaching software for kids, I just want something temporarily as a cute logo or something. Normally I cannot even draw a stick person, but I just played around in GIMP, and this came out, I wouldn't be able to do it again if I tried though.
[05:23] <LaserJock> Meshezabeel: it looks like a frog to me
[05:23] <LaserJock> Meshezabeel: you might want to try inkscape
[05:24] <LaserJock> I'm not an art person at all but I've been able to make decent icons with it
[05:25] <Meshezabeel> okay, thanks :)
[05:26] <Meshezabeel> I'll probably just use what I made for now, just wanted to make sure I wasn't givivg kids nightmares with a scary looking face.
[06:05] <Aly> Gah, it won't let me download plugins.
[06:15] <Meshezabeel> Thanks for coming Aly :)
[08:48] <morgs> LaserJock: pong, thanks for your reply to the mail
[08:49] <LaserJock> morgs: I don't think I had anything specific to ask you, just wanted to see how it was going
[08:50] <LaserJock> morgs: btw, I don't know if you saw, but I'm the motu-release delegate for Edubuntu
[08:50] <LaserJock> which includes Sugar
[08:50] <morgs> excellent
[08:50] <morgs> almost done with pre-feature freeze uploads, then I'll have a bunch of new-upstream-but-bugfix-only uploads coming
[08:50] <LaserJock> k
[08:51] <morgs> This abiword thing is a bit of a mess - I'll see if I can get a patch today. I'm only familiar with cdbs packaging at this stage, and abiword doesn't use that - resulting in a very complex debian/rules, and a different way to specify install locations
[08:52] <morgs> and it takes so long to build that it's hard to test - build - fail - test - build - fail :)
[18:05] <LaserJock> hi Lns
[18:05] <Lns> hey LaserJock =)
[18:05]  * Lns likes the warm greetings!
[18:05] <Lns> How's everyone in edubuntuland today
[18:10] <Meshezabeel> Doing well Lns, you?
[18:12] <Lns> Meshezabeel: I'm doing well, as well
[18:18] <Meshezabeel> Well, well, that's swell.
[18:19] <Lns> lol
[18:20] <Meshezabeel> :)
[18:27] <more> Hello all.
[18:27] <Meshezabeel> The more the merrier.
[18:27] <Guest59923> I was in the other day with the dell that had the nad NIC as my server.
[18:28] <morehpperliter> Sweet.
[18:28] <morehpperliter> So anywho.
[18:28] <Meshezabeel> still didn't get it working?
[18:29] <morehpperliter> All the machines see the sever and all is well I was just curious if there was Docs around about setting up the clients.
[18:29] <morehpperliter> Not sure how to limit them.
[18:29] <morehpperliter> How to give them certain apps and limiting their browsing.
[18:29] <morehpperliter> It's for a public library.
[18:29] <morehpperliter> Well. Three total.
[18:30] <Meshezabeel> clients are server are ubuntu?
[18:30] <morehpperliter> Server is edubuntu.
[18:30] <morehpperliter> Clients boot PXE.
[18:30] <Meshezabeel> so server is acting as a terminal server?
[18:31] <morehpperliter> I suppose.
[18:31] <morehpperliter> Are the different desktops for "Clients" controlled by their logins?
[18:32] <Meshezabeel> I am not 100% sure how to do this, but you can search for something like: Ubuntu kiosk
[18:32] <Lns> morehpperliter: the first thing you want to do is remove any unneeded apps..if they're not available, people can't use them
[18:33] <morehpperliter> remove them from server?
[18:33] <Lns> and yeah, like Meshezabeel said, you might want to look into using kiosk type setups instead to really limit everything
[18:33] <Lns> you can also lock down gnome (if that's what you're using) with gconf - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeOptimize
[18:33] <Meshezabeel> as for browsing you might want something like dansgardian
[18:34] <morehpperliter> So. can I have some clients running one thing nad others running something else?
[18:34] <morehpperliter> Like some in Kiosk mode and some in desktop?
[18:35] <Lns> i'd have to assume that's possible somehow
[18:35] <morehpperliter> not common or easy?
[18:36] <Meshezabeel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ#Can%20I%20have%20some%20of%20my%20thin%20clients%20work%20as%20anonymous%20web%20kiosks?
[18:37] <Meshezabeel> I've never set up an ltsp server before, so is over my head :)
[18:39] <morehpperliter> *lol*
[18:39] <morehpperliter> Isn't this edubuntu?
[18:40] <Meshezabeel> isn't what edubuntu?
[18:42] <Meshezabeel> edubuntu (as with all linux distros) can be installed on single machines without being a terminal server
[19:01] <morehpperliter> Oh?
[19:01] <morehpperliter> I thought it was tls
[19:01] <morehpperliter> I thought it was tlsp only.
[19:03] <ogra> edubuntu is a set of educational and teaching applications on top of ubuntu
[19:03] <ogra> ubuntu comes with ltsp out of the box, not related to edubuntu
[19:08] <morehpperliter> gotcha
[19:09] <Meshezabeel> and just because it has ltsp, does not mean you are required to use it :)
[19:11] <Meshezabeel> Of course, it is a very useful feature that greatly eases administration and allows you to use substandard clients.
[19:27] <Lns> morehpperliter: edubuntu used to have ltsp integration, and was promoted as 'the' ltsp distro for a while..but ltsp evolved into ubuntu itself and edubuntu re-focussed on educational apps outside of ltsp
[19:28] <Lns> it's been a long, windy road so far =)
[19:36] <ogra> nah :)
[19:36] <ogra> it was a smooth ride :)
[19:36] <ogra> edubuntu used to be the testbed for ltsp5 when i worked on it
[19:37] <ogra> when it was advanced enough it simply made its way into ubuntu
[19:38] <morgs> LaserJock: I think I fixed the libabiword issue - I posted a debdiff on bug 320440
[19:39] <LaserJock> morgs: good work
[19:44] <LaserJock> morgs: how much have you tested that?
[21:05] <Aly> Can someone help?
[21:18] <morehpperliter> whats the problem?
[21:18] <morehpperliter> I'm a newb myself.
[21:18] <Meshezabeel> Aly is gone
[21:19] <Meshezabeel> Aly likes to come into the channel, say something, and leave a few seconds later.
[21:26] <morehpperliter> *lol* interestin.
[22:12] <morehpperliter> Then, configure the DHCP server (/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf) to tell those thin clients to use the kiosk root by typing:
[22:12] <morehpperliter> Does that make ALL the clients operate in kiosk mode?
[22:13] <Meshezabeel> I think there might be some info missing on that instruction page.
[22:16] <morehpperliter> On alot of pages...
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[22:49] <morehpperliter> I'm out
[22:49] <morehpperliter> exit