[00:26] hi [00:27] anybody notice the scaling issue with ubuntu ltsp & edubuntu and 8.04? [00:27] i couldn't help but wonder if this is the same problem i'm having. is ubuntu ltsp being tested anywhere? [00:32] Ahmuck: i've got plenty of 8.04 installs [00:32] you referring to the list post? [00:47] it seems to me generally that LTSP5 doesn't scale quite as well as LTSP4 [00:47] but you gain a heck of a lot making the jump [00:50] scale past what # of clients? It's hard to say "X doesn't scale" because the hardware makes all the difference [00:50] (server/network hardware mostly) [00:57] Hello [00:58] I'm looking for some documentation I ran across the other day relating to adding flashplayer and OO clipart [00:58] johnb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ [00:59] thats it! thanks [00:59] np =) [00:59] damn i love that wiki [01:01] I'm really excited about the prospects of our upgraded LTSP [01:02] johnb: well keep involved with the community, we're growing all the time and are very active. we could use more peoples' input [01:02] * Lns waves goodnight to all [01:20] Lns yes [01:46] Ahmuck: what do you mean by "is ubuntu ltsp being tested anywhere?" ? [01:49] I usually have between 50 and 100 users on each appserver [01:49] and several hundreds connections on the NBD [01:49] stgraber: are those full desktops with flash, java, etc.? [01:49] or just single use kind of things [01:50] full desktop [01:50] stgraber: so do you think the issue is hardware related? [01:50] for whole school districts so basically all K12, that's from gcompris to OO/inkscape/kdeedu [01:51] LaserJock: yeah, usually good hardware really helps for X performances and you also need a good network [01:51] flash is unfortunately really bad with LTSP but works fine as a localapp [01:52] and you don't get that many users doing flash at the same time actually (5-6 on each server usually) [01:53] stgraber: the guy in the thread today seemed to have good hardware specs [03:19] what proc? [03:19] stgraber: what proc? [03:22] i have decent hardware specs but i'm having issues as well [03:23] my issues seem to be icon related. to many icons, ie, pdf preview icons, folder icons, etc. and the desktop looses it's task bar and menu bars [03:26] huh, interesting [03:26] Ahmuck: like with how many clients? [03:45] Ahmuck: either 2xDual Xeon or 1xQuad Xeon [03:45] Ahmuck: though we're now getting some new blades with 2xQuad Xeon [04:29] so for the Universe app bundles Lns suggested ubuntu-edu-extras-* [04:29] anybody have other suggestions? [04:29] alkisg, Ahmuck , stgraber ^^ [04:34] Good morning all. Sorry, I'm not experienced enough to express an opinion in package naming... :) [04:35] LaserJock: sounds good [04:39] alkisg: well, that's a good thing [04:39] alkisg: do you think you would know what ubuntu-edu-extras-preschool would be for? [04:40] LaserJock: At first I didn't even get what "ubuntu-restricted-extras" meant... [04:40] ohhhh, good point actually [04:41] alkisg: do you think people might think it's like -restricted-extras (non-free stuff)? [04:42] What will the bundles contain? Everything edu-related that is in universe? [04:42] not everything [04:42] it will be a subset of packages that we think are important and useful for educators [04:43] but they will all be from Universe [04:49] !info compiz-fusion-plugins-extra [04:49] compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (source: compiz-fusion-plugins-extra): Collection of extra plugins from OpenCompositing for Compiz. In component main, is extra. Version 0.7.8-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 2456 kB, installed size 9236 kB [04:49] !info gnome-accessibility-themes-extras [04:49] gnome-accessibility-themes-extras (source: gnome-themes): accessibility themes for the GNOME 2 desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 698 kB, installed size 3444 kB [04:50] OK, ubuntu-edu-extras-preschool or ubuntu-preschool-extras sounds good :) [05:06] (or maybe ubuntu-edu-preschool-extras, with the "extras" going to the end, to match the other package names I see...) [05:07] (in case an "ubuntu-edu-preschool-main" is also needed) [05:15] anyone know if there is a graphics channel on irc? [05:16] you there Ahmuck? [05:17] Meshezabeel: you might try #ubuntu-x [05:21] LaserJock, Sorry, I mean for images/drawings. [05:22] ohh [05:22] Do you think this image would scare away kids: http://imagebin.org/38675 [05:22] Basically I suck at artwork, but am making some language teaching software for kids, I just want something temporarily as a cute logo or something. Normally I cannot even draw a stick person, but I just played around in GIMP, and this came out, I wouldn't be able to do it again if I tried though. [05:23] Meshezabeel: it looks like a frog to me [05:23] Meshezabeel: you might want to try inkscape [05:24] I'm not an art person at all but I've been able to make decent icons with it [05:25] okay, thanks :) [05:26] I'll probably just use what I made for now, just wanted to make sure I wasn't givivg kids nightmares with a scary looking face. [06:05] Gah, it won't let me download plugins. [06:15] Thanks for coming Aly :) [08:48] LaserJock: pong, thanks for your reply to the mail [08:49] morgs: I don't think I had anything specific to ask you, just wanted to see how it was going [08:50] morgs: btw, I don't know if you saw, but I'm the motu-release delegate for Edubuntu [08:50] which includes Sugar [08:50] excellent [08:50] almost done with pre-feature freeze uploads, then I'll have a bunch of new-upstream-but-bugfix-only uploads coming [08:50] k [08:51] This abiword thing is a bit of a mess - I'll see if I can get a patch today. I'm only familiar with cdbs packaging at this stage, and abiword doesn't use that - resulting in a very complex debian/rules, and a different way to specify install locations [08:52] and it takes so long to build that it's hard to test - build - fail - test - build - fail :) === Und is now known as Guest33708 === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo [18:05] hi Lns [18:05] hey LaserJock =) [18:05] * Lns likes the warm greetings! [18:05] How's everyone in edubuntuland today [18:10] Doing well Lns, you? [18:12] Meshezabeel: I'm doing well, as well [18:18] Well, well, that's swell. [18:19] lol [18:20] :) [18:27] Hello all. [18:27] The more the merrier. === more is now known as Guest59923 [18:27] I was in the other day with the dell that had the nad NIC as my server. === Guest59923 is now known as morehpperliter [18:28] Sweet. [18:28] So anywho. [18:28] still didn't get it working? [18:29] All the machines see the sever and all is well I was just curious if there was Docs around about setting up the clients. [18:29] Not sure how to limit them. === calimer-- is now known as calimer [18:29] How to give them certain apps and limiting their browsing. [18:29] It's for a public library. [18:29] Well. Three total. [18:30] clients are server are ubuntu? [18:30] Server is edubuntu. [18:30] Clients boot PXE. [18:30] so server is acting as a terminal server? [18:31] I suppose. [18:31] Are the different desktops for "Clients" controlled by their logins? [18:32] I am not 100% sure how to do this, but you can search for something like: Ubuntu kiosk [18:32] morehpperliter: the first thing you want to do is remove any unneeded apps..if they're not available, people can't use them [18:33] remove them from server? [18:33] and yeah, like Meshezabeel said, you might want to look into using kiosk type setups instead to really limit everything [18:33] you can also lock down gnome (if that's what you're using) with gconf - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeOptimize [18:33] as for browsing you might want something like dansgardian [18:34] So. can I have some clients running one thing nad others running something else? [18:34] Like some in Kiosk mode and some in desktop? [18:35] i'd have to assume that's possible somehow [18:35] not common or easy? [18:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ#Can%20I%20have%20some%20of%20my%20thin%20clients%20work%20as%20anonymous%20web%20kiosks? [18:37] I've never set up an ltsp server before, so is over my head :) [18:39] *lol* [18:39] Isn't this edubuntu? [18:40] isn't what edubuntu? [18:42] edubuntu (as with all linux distros) can be installed on single machines without being a terminal server [19:01] Oh? [19:01] I thought it was tls [19:01] I thought it was tlsp only. [19:03] edubuntu is a set of educational and teaching applications on top of ubuntu [19:03] ubuntu comes with ltsp out of the box, not related to edubuntu [19:08] gotcha [19:09] and just because it has ltsp, does not mean you are required to use it :) [19:11] Of course, it is a very useful feature that greatly eases administration and allows you to use substandard clients. [19:27] morehpperliter: edubuntu used to have ltsp integration, and was promoted as 'the' ltsp distro for a while..but ltsp evolved into ubuntu itself and edubuntu re-focussed on educational apps outside of ltsp [19:28] it's been a long, windy road so far =) [19:36] nah :) [19:36] it was a smooth ride :) [19:36] edubuntu used to be the testbed for ltsp5 when i worked on it [19:37] when it was advanced enough it simply made its way into ubuntu [19:38] LaserJock: I think I fixed the libabiword issue - I posted a debdiff on bug 320440 [19:38] Launchpad bug 320440 in abiword "Sugar needs abiword built with libabiword" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320440 [19:39] morgs: good work [19:44] morgs: how much have you tested that? [21:05] Can someone help? [21:18] whats the problem? [21:18] I'm a newb myself. [21:18] Aly is gone [21:19] Aly likes to come into the channel, say something, and leave a few seconds later. [21:26] *lol* interestin. [22:12] Then, configure the DHCP server (/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf) to tell those thin clients to use the kiosk root by typing: [22:12] Does that make ALL the clients operate in kiosk mode? [22:13] I think there might be some info missing on that instruction page. [22:16] On alot of pages... [22:17] Check our documentation. [22:17] Or bother the IRC channel [22:49] I'm out [22:49] exit