[00:02] blargh [00:02] school + work + floss might be too much afterall [00:03] oops, wrong channel, heh [00:04] Riddell: Would you please backport Quassel to Intrepid (I can fill out a bug if you want)? [00:10] ScottK: ok [00:10] Thanks [00:11] done [00:11] Excellent [00:14] about the KDM-splash-fix.. i only found the kde-patch after all http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=28129 [00:15] this post was me - strange nick [00:15] bug in quassel ? [00:21] Strangely enough, OOo actually built on IA64. [00:22] goodness [00:27] It only took ~18 hours [00:28] http://adymo.blogspot.com/2009/02/kde-42-on-eeepc-mini-review.html [00:28] Kubuntu is in there ^_^ [01:05] if you were reading jono's book and you came across an entry about usability testing.. what would you expect to read about? [01:05] * seele is gnawing on the metaphorical pencil eraser atm [01:06] 1st do we do any actual usability testing, if so how does one provide feedback outside of regular usability studies, is there a standards document for usability, is there a usuablity community, if so how does one get involved [01:06] does that help/ [01:06] ? [01:07] seele: I hope you're getting paid for this. [01:08] ScottK: i dont get paid to do any of this. i karma pays off and i come back as something besides a beetle [01:08] jjesse: yes, some. thanks [01:08] seele: you are welcome [02:02] evening [02:03] anything need doing? [02:21] Riddell, poke? [03:34] Well.. I think the user management works so far [03:34] Just need to tie up some loose ends [03:37] hi nixternal [04:22] Anybody at home? [04:22] maybe [04:22] I am [04:22] * DaSkreech sips tea [04:26] Riddell: new version of installer is up in my branch, obviously still has glitches (you can't finish install right now) but I think you will like the work on the partition bars [04:28] anyone else interested should also give feedback about the new bars (lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kdeui) [04:36] (or just run the partition bar test program in the ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartitionBar.py) === m4v is now known as kubot === kubot is now known as m4v === Daskreech2 is now known as DaSkreech [08:12] hrm, getting a lot of sigsievs here... === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [09:38] Riddell: ping [10:12] markey: morning [10:14] Riddell: morning :) I've just sent you a mail wrt the topic I wanted to discuss [10:14] should reach you soonish [10:15] hello [10:19] NCommander: next in chain for rescoring to something high is https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kde4libs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu2~intrepid1 [10:41] Can i use a katepart from a python program? [10:46] Panke: I should think so [10:46] I think this is the right interface http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/interfaces/ktexteditor/html/classKTextEditor_1_1Factory.html [10:49] Riddell: I'm asking because i can't find anything here: http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.2-api/ [10:50] http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.2-api/kparts/KParts.Factory.html probably [10:50] okay thx [11:04] Panke: here you go http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kapplication.py [11:07] thanks === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [13:28] ScottK: kile http://awen.dk/packages/kile/ if you want to have a look and see if it looks reasonable... [13:30] a|wen: You've tested this, as far as it 'working' goes, right? [13:32] ScottK: yeah, open/compile/preview works ... it hase some quirks (strange naming of tabs, the multi-file searching doesn't work, and crashes sometimes when you exit) [13:32] OK. [13:42] a|wen: We still have kdvi. Would it not be reasonable to have it as a suggests? [13:44] Also I'd want the package name in the description for the -dbg. [13:44] ScottK: okular can handle dvi files; and the build-in viewing-rules doesn't use kdvi at all [13:45] The reason we kept kdvi was because it offered an inverse search function that okular did not. Dunno if that warrants a suggests or not. [13:46] ScottK: the only other things in suggests is something that kile can integrate with or take advantage with out-of-the box [13:46] is kdvi KDE4 or KDE3? [13:47] a|wen: Makes sense. It's KDE3. Let's leave it then. [13:47] what are dvi files? [13:47] Something latex related. [13:48] seele: you could call it low-level ps (postscript) [13:48] ah thats right [13:49] a|wen: These hicolor icons you're installing: are they not provided in another package? [13:50] a|wen: Also the entries that you have like /usr/share/kde4/apps/kile/complete/tex/yfonts.cwl in your .install can probably be /usr/share/kde4/apps/kile/* unless there is stuff that's not installed on purpose. [13:50] ScottK: the icons is not in any package that i have installed ... [13:52] a|wen: Do you have hicolor-icon-theme? [13:53] ScottK: yes, that is installed (on intrepid though) [13:54] a|wen: Also you should install them in a app specific location anyway so if they appear in the hicolor package later, you don't have a conflict. Use usr/share/kde4/apps/kile/icons/hicolor/ [13:55] ScottK: can i just move them, and it will work in any case? [13:55] Yes. [13:55] The app should know to look there. [13:55] I'd test it, of course. [13:56] ScottK: of course ... when you're done with the review i'll test-build with the changes [13:57] a|wen: With your patch does it still work with postscript? [13:58] ScottK: yeah ... it has individual ps and pdf rules; but the pdf rules contained ps as well (probably copy-paste error) [13:58] I see. OK. [13:59] That's all my comments then. [13:59] Fix that up and I'll upload it. [14:01] thanks a lot! ... i'll compile/test and ping you, when it's ready [14:03] yay, this should fix a bunch of kile bugs caused by missing kde3 bits [14:03] JontheEchidna: jup, i've closed a bunch of those in the changelog already [14:03] ^_^ [14:07] but there is still plenty of bugs to test if they are fixed in the new version... [14:56] seele: simplified konq intro page? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/konq-intro.png [14:57] nixternal: ^^ [14:58] Riddell: wow that is a very simplified konq intro page, i like how simple and clean it is [14:59] if you weren't American that would read very ironicly :) [15:01] hmm [15:02] Could any core-dev sponsor bug 296433? [15:02] Launchpad bug 296433 in ktorrent "[jaunty] ktorrent changes in Debian require merging" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296433 [15:02] Riddell: Will there be a way to get the old one back? [15:05] i dont see why. we want to promote dolphin as the file manager because it is a better tool than konqueror. those who are still using konq as a file manager will know how to use it by now [15:06] hmm, when I want to submit packages to REVU I should set myself as XSCB-Orginal-Maintainer in control? [15:07] seele: Well I like the old one better and so while I don't object to that as a default, I'd like to keep mine the way it is. [15:07] Quintasan: Yes. [15:07] Quintasan: yes [15:08] ScottK: don't think of it as a choice between the old one and the new one. think of it as the old one or something else. what that something else is, has yet to be determined [15:08] thanks [15:08] seele: OK. [15:10] Riddell: so if we're going to change it, we might as well go all the way. if you want i can see if the oxygen guys have any opinions on layout/graphics/color [15:11] seele: go ahead but I'm pretty sure they designed the current artwork (by oxygen-ising the KDE 3 stuff) [15:25] ScottK: this should be it http://awen.dk/packages/kile/ [15:26] * ScottK looks [15:35] oh crap, I've uploaded my package to revu by accident [15:35] a|wen: I'm a little confused about copyright on this. debian/copyright discusses GFDL for the docs, but I don't find the docs and COPYING.DOC is rather empty. [15:35] sorry -_-; [15:35] Quintasan: Shouldn't be a problem. You can just upload over it when you are ready. [15:37] do indeed seem that the docs has been removed from the package ... but COPYING.DOC contains the GFDL (whatever it is covering though) [15:38] a|wen: Here COPYING.DOC contains: "No catdoc available" [15:38] Is there a chance you missed the docs on your svn export? [15:39] ScottK: that is an error less spits at you [15:39] Oh. [15:39] ScottK: it assumes it is a docbook file [15:39] * ScottK learns something new. [15:40] Sure enough. That seems awfully Windows like behavior. [15:41] a|wen: If you'll confirm that the docs truly are missing from svn, I'll just add a note to debian/changelog. [15:41] oh, the docs are located by themselves in the svn... do we have a rule for how we do that [15:42] ScottK: I didn't intended to do so, but if there is going to be a request for klicker plasma applet it's already done :P [15:42] ;-) [15:43] ScottK: do we just shuffle it in under a docs subdir, or how? [15:43] a|wen: It was in /doc before, so sure. [15:44] a|wen: If the docs are big, since this has to go through New anyway, you might consider adding a -doc package (if there isn't one, I'm too lazy to look). [15:44] ScottK: where is the best place to document that? README.Source? [15:45] Seems reasonable. [15:46] i'll just check the size of them, and then maybe do a -doc package [15:46] OK [15:47] Riddell: committed more partition bar changes, nearing completion on that front [15:47] shtylman: got a screenshot? [15:47] the old resize widget is gone in favor of using the actual bar graphics [15:47] yea..lemme make one [15:50] JontheEchidna: need me to look at that ktorrent merge? [15:51] Riddell: It would be very much appreciated :) [15:51] http://shtylman.com/stuff/part_bars1.png [15:51] This release will close 5 other bugs/wishes in ktorrent [15:52] ScottK: the docs are 1,2M ? [15:52] shtylman: Won't the colours clash with desktop ;) [15:52] a|wen: I think that's worth a -doc. [15:52] and part_bars2.png shows what happens when you reach the end [15:52] oh..the colors are free to be changed [15:52] and probly should be [15:53] I just picked some quickly to make the bar gradients [15:53] ScottK: okay; it will be added [15:53] a|wen: With 8 archs currently and rumors of more having a single arch all -doc adds up. [15:53] Great. [15:53] shtylman: ooh shiny! [15:53] ScottK: indeed it does [15:53] shtylman: Yeah, the colors probably should be more Oxygen-y but that looks awesome! [15:54] <3 [15:54] thanks :) [15:54] when you select manual...the bars go away [15:55] shtylman: does it get used on the manual partitioning page too? [15:55] and when you select entire disk..the bottom bar becomes 100% kubuntu and the labels change to 'After Partitioning' [15:55] yea [15:55] except without the resize devider [15:55] just the static display of the current layout [15:55] there are a few things to work out on the manual page (like turn on only the drive you have selected) [15:56] and that is my next step...but should be easy [15:56] im gonna test with virtual machine and several fake drives to see how it handles that [15:56] We really appreciate this. As you could probably tell from the Todo page, Ubiquity is the app that most people don't like to touch :P [15:57] yea...I saw that as an opportunity to start helping out :) [15:57] JontheEchidna: what's the stuff in ktorrent-3.2+dfsg.1/debian/Debian/Debhelper/ ? [15:57] Riddell: that's debian's packaging system. I included it just to keep the diff down [15:58] even if we aren't using [15:58] it [15:58] blah [15:58] JontheEchidna: any idea what it does? [15:58] no clue [15:59] JontheEchidna: oh is it debhelper 7 weirdness? [15:59] yeah, 7.3 iirc [15:59] or maybe that was a different package I"m thinking of for 7.3... [15:59] debian/compat is set to 7 [15:59] oh yeah, 7.3 was the weather applet [15:59] JontheEchidna: well I presume you've compiled it and it works ok? [16:00] nvm [16:00] I've never used debhelper 7 [16:00] Riddell: yes [16:00] me either [16:00] <3 kde4.mk [16:00] I gather Debian KDE team is planning on making a lot of use of it. [16:00] oh joy, yet another build system [16:00] what's wrong with good ole' kde.mk? [16:01] * ScottK pushes Riddell to #debian-qt-kde to work it out. [16:02] JontheEchidna: uploaded [16:02] kewl, thanks [16:03] JontheEchidna: do you know where that Debian packaging is in svn? [16:05] I think I got the packaging by dget-ing it out of Debian New [16:05] Oh, this ktorrent release will have a new binary package that will need pushed through [16:06] (plasma-widget-ktorrent) [16:06] JontheEchidna: Debian New isn't publically accessible, so you didnt' do that. [16:07] * JontheEchidna checks his logs [16:07] I knew somebody threw a .dsc at me [16:07] incoming maybe [16:08] Riddell: don't forget the panel issue :) [16:09] davmor2: bugs are for after feature freeze :) [16:09] heh [16:09] is the kde3 meinproc and the kde4 meinproc4 compatible? [16:09] Riddell: I know but I figure if I keep buggin' you about it it'll get fixed :P [16:10] Mainly to stop me buggin' you :) [16:14] * a|wen tries; if it breaks it breaks [16:31] ScottK: would you happen to know the status of kdepimlibs on sparc off the top of your head? [16:31] JontheEchidna: Yes. [16:32] Akonadi won't build due to a boost1.35 problem that's specific to sparc [16:32] So pimlibs build-deps can't be met currently. [16:32] Mmm, so that explains why ktorrent isn't happy [16:32] I've got a proposed fix that NCommander is testing for me. [16:33] Cool. [16:33] The bug affects anything that moved to boost1.35 on sparc, so there will be a lot of retries after. [16:34] coincidentally ktorrent build-depends on boost1.35 explicitly as well [16:34] Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/dHUHA5.html [16:35] JontheEchidna: It'll have to if it uses boost since the different boost versions aren't co-installable. [16:39] ScottK: should kile recommend or suggest kile-doc, or what is our policy for that? [16:39] Riddell: scratch that, see #oxygen [16:39] a|wen: Dunno. Riddell do you have an opinion on a|wen's question ^^^ [16:43] a|wen: I guess I'd go on how likely it is someone will use the package without needing the docs. [16:44] a|wen-: suggest [16:44] Thanks [16:44] thx [16:44] well, that's just my first response [16:44] * a|wen- notes that kmplayer in intrepid doesn't follow that [16:48] why does sorting templates when generating a deb take forever !! :( [16:56] shtylman: I asked in #oxygen about colours and now they're discussing the whole look, if you are interested you can join in [16:56] ScottK: the correct doc-path is /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kile or /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ ? [16:57] a|wen-: For intrepid it's kde4. For jaunty it's kde. [16:57] Riddell: k, will do [16:57] ScottK: okay, thx ... [16:58] * a|wen- notes that the doc build-system in the package is seriously brokes [17:00] * Riddell out for a bit === torkiano is now known as jjardon [17:19] Hmm, I'm out, time to learn [17:35] Riddell: I expect your kdebase upload to build on all archs. If it doesn't, let me know and I'll look into it. [17:48] anybody who is specialized in translations? ... what do you do with an index.docbook so it becomes avaible in kde4 helpcenter? [17:55] duplicate functinality in different CMakeLists.txt (none of them actually doing the right thing); i doubt anybody actually tried building those docs before [18:02] Tscheesy: Did you get that image and try it? [18:02] a|wen-: hey, I'm not specialized in translations, but in kvkbd doc/ CMakeLists.txt, I use that to get it to appears in khelpcenter: kde4_create_handbook(index.docbook INSTALL_DESTINATION ${HTML_INSTALL_DIR}/en SUBDIR kvkbd) [18:02] Tscheesy: more importantly did it work? [18:02] txwikinger: Hi [18:03] davmor2: actually i'm trying to boot [18:03] nixternal: hi [18:04] smarter: thx ... seems that one of the cmakelists is close to being correct then [18:05] a|wen-: what are you working on? [18:05] davmor2: not sure if my mini-sdcard interface is healty :( [18:05] smarter: on kile [18:05] cool :) [18:05] Tscheesy: Needs to be usb not sd [18:05] has a kde4 version been released? [18:06] davmor2: i have a interface for usb [18:06] smarter: nope, building from svn ... which is probably why the build-system is kind of unfinished :) [18:06] hehe [18:06] Ah right [18:07] a|wen-: does it work as well as the kde3 version? [18:07] smarter: in general yes, it has some quirks though but that is about it [18:07] great [18:08] planning to put it in k-e? [18:08] Tscheesy: right I'm off for tea so let me know please ta :) [18:08] smarter: i was planning to get it into jaunty first; but an intrepid-version in k-e is not impossible [18:08] smarter: If he can get it done, I'm going to upload it. [18:08] davmor2: my Samsung NC10 Atom normally runs the standard install - now i'm Stuck with the image - gonna try a larger Medium [18:09] ScottK: ok [18:09] * smarter takes advantage of the fact that his connection appear to be somewhat stable to testbuild his packages so that they can get in before FF :p [18:09] Riddell: anything else major for the installer before the feature freeze? [18:10] smarter: does kvkbd have an index.html or index.docbook in the source? [18:10] ./doc/index.docbook [18:10] perfect; sounds like it actually could end up working after some patching [18:10] Riddell: autologin option maybe? [18:11] shtylman: yes was just thinking autologin would be nice [18:11] shtylman: that needs the tickbox in the UI, but presumably also some logic somewhere to edit /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc [18:11] I guess ask evand where that logic part is [18:11] ok, I will look at that [18:13] shtylman: FWIW, the options needed for autologin in kdmrc are AutoLoginEnable=true and AutoLoginUser= [18:13] There is a kvkbd? [18:13] DaSkreech: KDE virtual keybord, yes [18:13] which I ported from KDE3 to KDE4 during Intrepid cycle, even if nobody cares :p [18:14] * DaSkreech always uses the xvkbd [18:14] smarter: thanks [18:14] shtylman: you're welcome ;) [18:15] DaSkreech: well, try out kvkbd, I don't get lot of feedback on it and don't really use it(I just ported it because it was on the Intrepid TODO :p) [18:15] DaSkreech: it's installed with kubuntu-desktop [18:15] is there a standard method to edit the kdmrc file? like a kde library method or something, or just whatever I come up with? [18:16] reaaaaly [18:16] shtylman: you can probably use KConfig for that [18:16] k [18:16] Wow [18:16] It's really black [18:16] heh :p [18:16] actually Qt seems to apply a little gradient [18:16] Some of the buttons seem hidden [18:16] which is more visible if you active the numpad [18:16] *activate [18:17] what do you mean by hidden? [18:17] Well obsucured [18:17] Like I have aps loc [18:17] I know it's Caps lock cause that's where the caps lock button is [18:18] and un ock [18:18] smarter: I did care enough to make sure it's building on the ports archs. [18:18] shtylman: somewhere there will be the code which edits the gdm config file, that just needs to be adapted [18:18] Works well enough though [18:19] ScottK: oh, didn't know this, thanks :) [18:19] Riddell: noted [18:19] DaSkreech: could you provide me a screenshot? [18:19] Sure [18:19] shtylman: scripts/install.py includes the code used for the oem install, that already turns on auto login [18:19] shtylman: but evand would be the man to ask as I say [18:20] Riddell: ahh cool, I will take a look at that code..and also ask evand [18:20] smarter: apparently I can't [18:22] DaSkreech: why? [18:23] I closed kvkbd and now it won't reopen [18:23] :o [18:23] oh [18:24] it's in the systray [18:24] Ah I have my systrat hidden :) [18:24] systray [18:24] smarter: have you thought about putting that into kdeaccessibility for 4.3? [18:25] DaSkreech: it should show itself when you try to lauch it again, dunno why I didn't implement that [18:26] http://imagebin.ca/view/ID9XYDW.html [18:30] Riddell: I was considering kdeutils, 'cause it's probably also useful for touch screen devices [18:30] Riddell: but some part of the code needs a serious rewrite, and I was planning to transform it into a plasmoid so that I don't have to handle the window management [18:31] unfortunately I got rather busy and haven't been able to do it yet :/ [18:31] * DaSkreech ponders the usefulness of it as a plasmoids [18:31] the cashew will save you I guess [18:32] well, it'll (potentially) let you use it on the screensaver [18:32] ha ha :-) [18:32] and maybe on kdm, if that get implemented [18:33] also, upside-down keyboard, why would you anything else if you had that? :p [18:33] Ha ha :) I've yet to find a rally useful rotted plasmoid [18:34] DaSkreech: oh, the problem you have on your screenshot is that the button sizes are hardcoded, so if the font is too big, it doesn't fit [18:35] part of why I say it needs to be partially rewritten :p [18:35] Yeah I figured it was something simple. As I said I know where the buttons are and they work [18:39] davmor2: next try . fixed the interface with a cord.. can call me McGuyver.. i dd in a bigger Fat-Partition this time.. [18:40] smarter: thx a lot for the help; docs now works! [18:41] cool :) [18:41] Riddell: I have good news and I have bad news [18:42] good news...implementing the autologin on the ui is easy...bad news: there is already a script that does the options setting...it is from debian installer called user-setup-apply...and it is hardcoded to /etc/kde3 [18:42] those source packages are pulled automatically...so I dunno where to make the change and have it propigate back to the installer [18:43] shtylman: probably in the debian-installer sources [18:44] ScottK: now we're getting somewhere http://awen.dk/packages/kile/ [18:44] * ScottK looks again. [18:45] is that hosted by launchpad? I thought those were pulled from debian without changing them? [18:46] shtylman: everything is on launchpad ;) [18:46] ive found it...I will ask cjwatson about it [18:47] the versions will tell you if it is a direct pull from debian or it has been changed [18:47] Riddell, ping [18:48] ScottK, second ping [18:48] NCommander: Yes? [18:48] * ScottK doesn't think he got the first one. [18:51] hi NCommander [18:51] ScottK, can you remove kde4bindings hppa PAS entries [18:51] NCommander: From what I can tell they were removed already. [18:51] I talked with Infinity, Soyuz doesn't use p-a-s binary entries at all [18:51] Oh [18:51] Then why didn't a build get scheduled w/ the last kde4bindings upload ... [18:52] There isn't a public repo of the pas that Ubuntu is using. All I can do is look at the Debian one. [18:52] Riddell, kde4*'s backport was badly clogging up the build daemons. I rescored all your backports to -5000 to prevent them from going until the other buildds drain [18:52] ScottK, that's the one we're using [18:52] OK, well the stuff I had added there is gone. [18:52] I'll score them to 0 once FF passes [18:52] NCommander: kdebindings tried to build on hppa and failed. [18:53] oh [18:53] (Note what was kde4bindings is now kdebindings) [18:53] >.<; [18:53] Ugh [18:53] Yay for magic moving packages. [18:53] WHy isn't kde4bindings removed from disk yet? [18:53] Source was just removed yesterday [18:53] cool [18:53] The binaries are all the same. [18:54] So if you could look at the hppa build log and make a recommendation, I'm all ears because I am totally confused now. [18:54] Particularly since Phil Kern's mail to ubuntu-devel said Mono packages didn't need a pas entry for hppa. [18:54] ScottK, well, I can see how we could probably fix it [18:55] * NCommander puts in an RT request ... [18:55] Excellent. [18:56] Hrm, vlc's picture and controls are separated in jaunty. is this a bug or a feature? [18:56] it would be nice to make HPPA not suck this cycle. [18:56] NCommander: kde4libs, kdepimlibs, and kdebase-workspace all built on hppa, so that's the only nodal KDE package that isn't built. [18:57] Once kdebindings builds on HPPA, it will de-depwait a LOT of packages. [18:57] Yep. [18:57] (compiz is depwait on HPPA) [18:59] Riddell: autologin option is done in the ui...it just need the debian-installer update to work [18:59] * NCommander is currently test running KDE 4 on ARM once his board finishes upgrading ... [19:00] Excellent. [19:00] shtylman: you're a coding ninja! [19:00] shtylman: should I be merging this in yet? [19:00] heh... :) I aim to please [19:01] ScottK, I'm building a HPPA jaunty chroot now. [19:01] Riddell: soon, I mean the autologin is there...I am verifying the proper object name for translation stuff, but yea...it just don't work until the d-i scripts are updated [19:04] a|wen_: Source looks good. Test building now. [19:06] ScottK: nice to hear ... i'll be leaving now, but ping me if anything looks wrong (if my connection doesn't break while i'm gone) [19:07] o/ [19:17] rgreening! [19:18] ola [19:18] Im working on Qt build now. [19:18] ah you know what I want to hear :) [19:18] should get that in before FF tomorrow [19:18] Im on a conf call for work, so making updates in betweeen questions.. [19:18] Riddell: I still have an issue with the current kdebindings not building against qt4.5. [19:19] mm yes [19:19] can someone (you) look at that? its unlikely it will just work against the new qt4.5 I am building as the changes arent major. [19:19] Its a smoke issue [19:19] I looked but couldnt make it build. it we go with qt4.5, this will be an issue on rebuild [19:20] it'll need upstream to look at it, they're aware of the problem I believe, and mandriva and suse have both changed to 4.5 so we're not alone in needing it to work [19:20] so it needs looking at by someone who may have better luck with it... [19:20] Riddell: can you look into it? see if there is a fix? [19:20] rgreening: just asking rdale in #kde-devel [19:20] or work around? while I make the new qt4.5 [19:21] thanks [19:21] rdieter: any plans for 4.5 in Fedora? [19:21] 19:21 < rdale> hi Riddell: yes we've just fixed smoke with qt 4.5 today [19:21] Riddell: packagekit changes for the draft doc for application framework are trickling into the git repo. I've asked for patches to back port... [19:21] OMG. Cool. [19:22] we have the best upstream :) [19:22] rgreening: what's the URL to that draft again? [19:22] Riddell: 1 sec.. looking [19:23] Riddell: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/packagekit/plain/docs/app-install-v1.draft [19:23] Riddell: plan is to do qt45 for F11, already imported and in use in our development repo (with a little pain, since gcc-4.4 landed very recently too) [19:24] hey rdieter [19:24] davmor2: sry - the image is not booting here.. [19:24] Riddell, oh, could you also look at merging in my packagekit changes? [19:25] Riddell: ^^ Yes. Please do. [19:25] Tscheesy: Meh back to the drawing board then :( [19:25] NCommander: did glatzor review them? [19:25] a|wen_: Kile uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [19:25] Although usb creator should get an .img creator soon so I'll try again then [19:25] Riddell, he didn't like my autoconf patch, he wanted me to put it int he rules, which is a bad idea [19:25] I was hoping for a second opinion [19:26] rgreening: hiya [19:26] davmor2: goin' to take a look inside too [19:26] NCommander: anything so long as it works is my usual attitude to autoconf [19:26] Tscheesy: usb creator is your friend ;) [19:27] Riddell, well, my issue is that calling autogen right in the build environment can go badly. ScottK, your two cents please [19:27] NCommander: My two cents is I know your test build works. I soon as you say auto* I go hide. [19:27] I soon as/As soon as... [19:27] autofun? [19:27] :-) [19:28] NCommander: what's the bzr repositories again? [19:28] Riddell, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mcasadevall/packagekit/werror-disabler/+merge/3707 [19:29] ScottK, akondki successfully build on SPARC with your boost [19:29] NCommander: Thanks. [19:32] NCommander: hmm, that patch is going to break as soon as autoconf decides to do anything different [19:32] Riddell, autoconf usually like that. If that happens, you smash the patch and redo it. [19:32] * NCommander got this technique from the desktop team ... [19:33] NCommander: I tend to just let autoconf do its own thing in the .diff.gz [19:33] ew .... [19:33] and have the patch contain only the stuff you're interetsed in [19:33] That's why its a 99_autoconf.patch, it can easily be deleted and remade :-/ [19:34] seems like extra hassle [19:34] what's ew with my approach? [19:34] I hate having a messy diff.gz ... [19:34] I hate having messy patches :) [19:34] And that causes issues when merging to a new upstream because you forget to rerun autofun. [19:34] autoconf... something is going to get messy [19:35] pretty much [19:35] The build itself, or the patch ... [19:35] I just always ran autofoo for merges when KDE used it [19:35] anyway, I can merge this so long as you take the flak from glatzor [19:38] NCommander: Boost uploaded. Thanks again for the testing help. [19:38] No problem [19:38] ScottK, is it worth a rescore on SPARC? [19:38] * ScottK looks [19:38] or: how much is blocked because of boost ... [19:40] NCommander: I don't see any main uploads in queue that I know would fail due to it [19:40] I'd say let it go when it goes. [19:40] ok, so I'll leave it alone [19:41] Riddell, the second option I have is to fix the compiler warnings, but thats a really figity fix, and not foolproof :-/ [19:43] NCommander: too late, merged [19:43] Oh [19:43] Works for me [19:43] Riddell, please upload when ready [19:44] done [19:44] Riddell: Hopefully that will be enough for Kubuntu Main to get fully built on armel. [19:44] IIRC we only lack Kpackagekit currently. [19:47] oh nice [19:49] Ogra was giving me grief about it beeing missing the other day. It was kind of fun to point out kpackagekit was missing due to packagekit FTBFS. [20:40] * Lure gave up on getting opencv in main for Jaunty :-( [20:41] Does that mean we'll have to disable the redeye plugin? :-( [20:41] * Lure thinks that people will have to live w/o batch RedEyeRemoval batch plugin in gwenview/digikam [20:41] heh [20:42] JontheEchidna: it is just too much work to get warnings fixed as Kees would like - see bug 324523: [20:42] This report is public [20:42] Launchpad bug 324523 in opencv "Main inclusion request for OpenCV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324523 [20:42] Yeah, I've been monitoring it. It's a shame but I guess it'll just have to be for now... [20:43] JontheEchidna: we can probably request a medibuntu package for it [20:44] Lure: feel free, I'll try to find some time to do it :) [20:44] * smarter is the only KDE guy in the medibuntu team :p [20:45] smarter: great, at least we have you ;-) [20:45] mm, aRts removal seems to be going well. Only 3 more packages to fix [20:45] which reminds me I should build amarok2 with libmp4v2 [20:45] smarter: it is just a simple "add libcv-dev to Build-Depends" rebuild [20:46] ok, shouldn't pose any problem then ;) [20:51] fabo: ping [20:52] JontheEchidna: die aRts die... [20:52] :] [20:52] aRts == eVil [20:53] aRts stands for "a REAL terrible soundserver" [20:54] lol [20:54] It must have had an affair with gstreamer and had pulseaudio as its lovechild [20:56] heh [21:17] is there a problem with KDE 4.2 and nvidia? I've been hearing people cry for two days about updating to 4.2 and it's breaking the computer. All have nvidia cards [21:28] Riddell: I've completed merging qt4.5 changes from fabo into our build. I am about to upload to my ppa to test/build. It is not necessarily ready yet. Also, I need to do a proper changelog update with all the changes. [21:33] Riddell: kcm-spck broke: bug 331192 [21:33] Launchpad bug 331192 in kdeutils "KDE printer configuration app stopped working on Jaunty" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331192 === Punkt is now known as quasselmonkey === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [22:11] JontheEchidna: hum, I tested that from a live CD earlier this week [22:12] there have been system-config-printer updates in the meanwhile. I'm guessing that's what broke it [22:12] it did work before for me too [22:13] indeed, /usr/share/system-config-printer/config.py has changed [22:19] Riddell: do you have the fix for kdebindings? And is it uploaded yet? [22:19] Anyone knows why synaptic driver is not installed by default in jaunty? [22:20] See bug #323800 [22:20] Launchpad bug 323800 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[jaunty alpha 3 regression] touchpad mouse not working at all" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323800 [22:27] I know is a known issue https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview, but why? [22:33] ScottK, mono seems to be available on HPPA as of 2.0, I think we can get bindings to build now :-) [22:43] jjardon: we just do KDE here, X developers tend to be elsewhere [22:44] ok Riddell, sorry [22:47] has FF passed already? [22:47] if not, could somebody(ScottK? :]), upload webkitkde from lp:~kubuntu-members/webkit-open-source/webkitkde-ubuntu ? [22:48] (which probably shouldn't be in main) [22:48] smarter: what's new? [22:49] Riddell: I updated to the latest svn [22:49] smarter: then I'll need your .orig.tar.gz too [22:49] and added all the binary packages due to new libs being part of it [22:49] oh right [22:49] I upload that in a second [22:50] Did you consider Arora web browser? [22:50] we package both [22:50] Riddell: actually, you can just use debian/rules get-orig-source [22:50] smarter: clever [22:50] my connection is far too random to upload the orig :p [22:51] * smarter has high expectations for Arora :) [22:56] there's libwebkitkde.so and libkdewebkit.so, how confusing [22:56] Riddell: yup :/ [22:56] and libkdenetwork isn't really a clever name too [22:57] I had trouble sorting all of them correctly in the install files :p [22:59] hmm, gmail doesn't loAd [23:03] New QEdje, do we want? [23:03] New QZion too [23:03] if it's binary compatible sure [23:04] smarter: webkitkde uploaded, also I moved it to universe [23:04] cool, thanks [23:05] well, good night everyone :) [23:05] wasn't webkitkde included in a hardy prerelease once? [23:05] in a KDE 4 remix CD [23:05] yeah, I remember because text fields in konq didn't work :P [23:06] Riddell, can you do me a favor and bump upload libdc1394? Its not built on ARM because the last time it was touched in hardy and LP choked. [23:06] but konqueror is more closely tied to khtml than you'd think [23:06] NCommander: bump? [23:06] Riddell, you know, build1 on it [23:06] ok [23:06] so, what are we going to do regarding Qt 4.5? [23:07] smarter: throw it in, every other distro is [23:08] assuming rgreening gets off his conference call in time [23:08] ok [23:08] he wants to upload it before FF? [23:08] yes [23:09] wow, that's gonna be tough :p [23:10] it's compiling away in his PPA now [23:11] cool [23:12] * smarter wonders if webkitkde will need a rebuild against it to work [23:12] I'm guessing we have patches for the kdm crash? [23:12] irt Qt 4.5 [23:12] kdm crash? [23:13] JontheEchidna: it has been fixed in 4.5rc1 iirc [23:14] http://lists.kde.org/?t=123175866700006&r=1&w=2 [23:14] NCommander: Would you please rescore akonadi on sparc. Boost built and is accepted and I hit retry. [23:15] ScottK-palm, rescored. [23:15] smarter: apparently not: kde bug 183212 [23:15] KDE bug 183212 in general "KDM Crashes when compiled against Qt 4 5 snapshots" [Grave,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183212 [23:15] but there is a fix in trunk [23:15] Riddell: ^ [23:15] ScottK-palm, its next in the build queue [23:16] JontheEchidna: shouldn't be a problem then [23:16] KDE trunk [23:16] We'd probably need to patch it for KDE 4.2 [23:17] NCommander: Thanks. [23:18] JontheEchidna: then we should make sure that the fix gets backported to 4.2.1 [23:18] * smarter off to bed for real [23:18] bye :) [23:18] :) [23:19] smarter: bon soir [23:42] rgreening: how was the conference call? [23:42] Riddell: boring as always :) [23:42] management/hr stuff - objective setting, etc. [23:43] not exciting like this is :) [23:43] Riddell: did kdebindings fix get in? [23:44] rgreening: not looked at it, but that's a bug, bugs are for after tomorrow :) [23:44] oh.. ok. [23:45] Riddell: do you know how we are making out with the ubiquity changes? [23:46] Riddell: #kubuntu spammer need ban [23:47] why must the world have such people [23:48] Riddell: qt takes so long to build... [23:52] rgreening: shtylman is making good progress on ubiquity [23:52] * Riddell sleeps [23:52] NCommander: Would you mind looking at the akonadi/sparc failure log and see if it used the new boost or the old one? [23:52] I can't read .gz on my phone... [23:54] ... or anyone else for that matter. [23:55] * JontheEchidna takes a look [23:55] Thanks. [23:57] Get:1 http://ftpmaster.internal jaunty/main libboost-serialization1.35.0 1.35.0-8ubuntu2 [450kB] [23:57] looks like the old one [23:57] SCORE! [23:58] kdebindings successfully built on HPPA [23:58] \o/ [23:58] I need to test it in a PPA, but its looking promising [23:58] Thanks. I'll got retry it. [23:58] HPPA might not suck this cycle either [23:58] NCommander: Excellent. [23:58] w00t [23:58] It successfuly built [23:58] And only with minor rule fudging [23:59] the whole of kdebindings is rule fudging :P [23:59] NCommander: Would you please rescore akonadi in a few minutes after I sign off to retry it? [23:59] NCommander: That's great.