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Voltron_terminal based? I don't know about that...00:00
SwedeMikethen you're not serious about irc and should choose something else.00:00
billybigriggerrolf lol serious about irc? or ADDICTED to irc haha00:00
RAOFVoltron_: If that server's always on, then you can use screen+irssi to make an awesome always-on IRC client.00:00
Voltron_!smuxi00:00
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about smuxi00:00
billybigriggerwho in their right mind opens 330 irc windows?00:00
SwedeMikebillybigrigger: just because you dont understand doesnt mean you should insult people who do.00:01
Voltron_So I would install irssi on my server and then ssh into the server?00:01
Voltron_I have X forwarding enabled for sshd already00:02
SwedeMikeirssi isn't X based.00:02
billybigriggerSwedeMike, totally not an insult00:02
billybigriggeri used to be addicted to irc00:02
billybigriggernever 100+ windows but many00:03
SwedeMikebillybigrigger: it has nothing to do about addiction. It's like saying someone with 100 RSS feeds isnt of right mind.00:03
billybigriggerim just saying you must spend a hell of alot of time on irc to have even more than 100 windows open00:03
SwedeMikewhy?00:04
billybigriggerand defensiveness is a sign of addiction...just pointing that out :P00:04
SwedeMikeI dont spend a hell of lot of time00:04
SwedeMikejust because I am on a lot of channels doesnt mean I read them all00:04
billybigriggerwell it must take you a good hour to open up 330 windows00:04
SwedeMikeopen? I never shut them down.00:04
billybigriggerhaha ok, this is getting out of hand man, i wasn't making fun OF you00:04
billybigriggerjust making a joke00:04
SwedeMikeand they open automatically when someone msg:s me etc00:04
billybigriggeri get it, im just bugging you00:05
billybigriggersorry if i offended you00:05
SwedeMikeyou didnt.00:05
billybigriggergood, i hoped i didnt00:06
billybigriggersome people get offended easy, you never know00:06
SwedeMikeI've been on irc since 1993 and I've been an irc server admin for 4-5 of those, my skin is quite thick when it comes to people saying thing to me.00:06
SwedeMikethings00:07
billybigriggernow that i think of it, me too00:09
billybigriggerabout 94 for me00:09
billybigriggersince i was like 12 or 1300:10
billybigriggerwait no longer than that00:10
billybigriggerbah whatever00:10
* billybigrigger finds it funny how the most downloaded gtk/compiz themes look like they belong on the next M$ OS00:11
billybigriggeron gnome-look anyway00:12
billybigriggerand can't find a good looking set of icons for the life of me00:12
Volkodavxorg eating 30 % of memory after recent upgrade ?00:14
billybigrigger3501 root      20   0  212m  82m  13m S    2  4.4   1:51.01 Xorg00:15
billybigriggernot here00:15
billybigrigger4.4%00:15
Volkodav3665 root      20   0 1243m 850m  22m S    4 29.8   7:58.51 Xorg00:15
Volkodavthat's a lot00:16
billybigriggeri'd say00:16
VolkodavI may need to restart X00:16
Volkodavbrb'00:16
deanhow do I use the intel framebuffer library intelfb00:19
deanI tried adding video=intelfb:mode=1280x800@16-60 to my grubmenu.lst00:19
deanbut I got "Video mode must be programmed at boot time"00:19
syockitis that how you are to use it? I can't find the docs00:20
Voltron_on my Jaunty setup, using speedtest.net I get 3000kbps download speed. On my wifes Vista laptop, she gets 19340kbps. Is JauntyWhat could be acausing the problem?00:44
FFForeverJ/W What happened to packaging CNR with ubuntu? (wasn't it suppose to come in 8.04 or 8.10?)00:44
Voltron_What could be causing the problem*00:44
geniiGah freespire00:45
FFForevergenii, i remember reading that it was going to be packaged no?00:45
geniiFFForever: There seemed to be something on it maybe a year ago or more. But I don't think it got embraced by the *buntu community00:46
FFForevergenii, ahhh, i forgot about it and then i saw it on another distro and im like hmm.....00:48
FFForeverdoes mark ever come in here?00:52
* genii looks around for sabdfl00:56
geniior so00:56
Voltron_01:00
Voltron_my upload using Jaunty is way faster than my wife on her Vista machine, but the download is 1/4 the speed01:08
geniiMaybe she's hogging all the bandwidth01:08
Voltron_she is just checking her gmail right now though01:09
Voltron_I just had her run the speedtest.net test and she got almost 20000kbps01:09
Voltron_I get 5000kbps01:09
Voltron_ping times are WAY higher on my machine too, sometimes the network connection just drops randomly also01:10
Voltron_I attempted to tune my TCP settings but that made no difference so I just went back to the defaults01:10
cwillucan anyone verify that the latest update of uswsusp breaks s2disk/s2both?  (segfaults when run)01:27
mnhow is the dev going?01:28
dyfdoes anyone else have problems with pulseaudio?01:42
dyfor is it just me?01:42
billybigriggeri find my audio in 9.04 is pretty low01:42
billybigriggerwith speakers maxed out and every volume switch i can find maxed aswell01:42
dyfsometimes, it slows my whole system down for a few seconds.. when i open gnome-system-monitor, i see pulseaudio taking up most of the CPU01:43
IenorandIf I'm doing a script for running at login and only want affected user to be able to execute it, should I change group to users group (1000) and have no executability for root and group only?01:43
Ienorand*Have executability for...01:44
jpedrozaIs there anyone currently testing Jaunty on a Dell Mini 12?02:12
jpedrozaIf not, I have one and can volunteer02:13
cancerdudeJOIN #ubuntu+103:04
_VIM_Hi, anyone else having probs getting guest addtions working in vbox? Host is Ubuntu 8.04 desktop, and guest is Ubuntu 9.04 ... I installed the kernel-source and headers or whatever but still wont let me install guest additions03:40
yesyesis the firefox not working, not 3.0 or 3.1, bug known yet?03:42
yesyesnot sure if i should report it or not. can't find the place to report bugs, or any reference to it.03:43
yesyescan't ^03:43
RAOFyesyes: Firefox works here; https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs is where you'll be looking for the bugs.03:45
yesyesis your version the latest version in the repo?03:46
yesyesjaunty obv.03:46
th3raid0rOkay, I am in dependency hell with the latest gnome packages update... HELP!03:47
th3raid0rUm, is there anybody out there?03:48
th3raid0rA little help would greatly be appreciated03:49
th3raid0rOkay, Is anyone awake? Coherent? ALIVE!03:50
RAOFYes.03:50
RAOFBut it's only been 3 minutes since you first spoke, and dependency issues are fairly common in a development release.03:50
th3raid0rOkay, thank you... when will this be fixed... I am running on pure GTK right now... Gnome is dead for me...03:51
RAOFGenerally the solution is to wait until everything has been built, and then it'll work.  Until you can update without removing anything, don't update.03:51
th3raid0rThanks, that is a good rule of thumb03:51
danbhfiveth3raid0r: what happened?03:51
th3raid0rI have never been in a developement branch before...03:52
yesyesRAOF, what version does sudo dpkg -l firefox-3.0 output?03:53
yesyesi'm on 3.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu103:53
th3raid0rOh, nothing much... A recent update put me in dependency hell with gnome panel and other essential gnome parts... It affects XFCE as well... which is odd... so right now I am running on pure GTK... Now I just patiently wait...03:53
RAOFyesyes: Yup; that's my version.03:53
yesyeshmm. there has to be a problem my end then.03:54
yesyesodd.03:54
_VIM_Hi, anyone else having probs getting guest addtions working in vbox? Host is Ubuntu 8.04 desktop, and guest is Ubuntu 9.04 ... I installed the kernel-source and headers or whatever but still wont let me install guest additions03:54
RAOFHm.  He disappears before I can say that there's nothing wrong _here_ :)03:54
yesyesis there anything more i have to do to go from alpha 3 to 4 except apt-get update/upgrade?03:55
yesyesperhaps that's the problem. although everything else works fine.03:55
th3raid0rHmm... this is odd... I have a new error...03:55
danbhfiveyesyes: yes03:55
th3raid0rWhat does this mean? sudo dpkg --configure -a03:56
th3raid0rdpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 31775 package `lsof':03:56
th3raid0r EOF after field name `Descr'03:56
danbhfiveEOF = End Of File usually03:56
danbhfiveth3raid0r: maybe it got corrupted?03:57
akiois there an app that is like a service nanny? basically restarts/starts services that crashed?03:57
th3raid0rYes, most likely, but how would I go about fixing it?03:58
yesyesdanbhfive, do you mean i have to use update-manager to go from alpha 3 to 4? and i cannot simply use apt-get upgrade?03:58
danbhfiveyesyes: apt-get dist-upgrade should work, I think03:58
danbhfiveth3raid0r: just a guess, but maybe force remove the package, clear your package cache, then reinstall03:59
th3raid0rThank you, I will give that a try03:59
akiotry using aptitude instead03:59
yesyesthanks dan.03:59
akioit won't help but I'm ocd about using aptitude04:00
RAOFth3raid0r: That means that your dpkg database is corrupted.  This is bad.  Hopefull runing "apt-get update" will refresh the available cache.04:00
th3raid0rI have tried that before...04:00
th3raid0rhmmm04:00
akioconsult the debian docs prolly04:01
akiothere should be help for that04:01
th3raid0rEh, I will back up and reinstall...04:01
akiothats what i did before i was good enough to wing things04:01
th3raid0rI just don't feel like fixing it...04:02
th3raid0rI was thinking about rebuilding dpkg from source but nah04:03
akioi could have sworn that I saw something for what I mentioned earlier, no ideas?04:03
danbhfiveakio: /etc/init.d?04:04
akioyep04:04
th3raid0rIt is much easier and quicker to reinstall04:05
danbhfiveyou want something that manages it?04:05
akiobasically if mysql craps out it restarts it04:05
akioi work at a webhosting company and i could have sworn that there was a thing to just keep services alive after crashes04:05
akioeven though its wrong04:06
akiolike imapd04:07
akioapache04:07
scizzo-moin07:13
Sergeant_Ponyis it possible to activate restricted drivers from a console?07:16
CosmiChaoshi there, got a strange thing going on with my /home partition under jaunty alpha+ dist-uprades. first of all i have 3 ext4 partitions on 2 different drives /dev/sda1=/boot(active), /dev/sda6=/home and /dev/sdb2=/. so the problem does not directly after boot because for some minutes all goes right. but after some time, even when i do nothing, my /home partition because write-protected07:20
CosmiChaosit was /dev/sdb1=/07:21
CosmiChaosmay a fsck.ext -fcy can repair it?07:22
CosmiChaossry for my bad english it should me "becomes write-protected" :X07:24
CosmiChaosbrb07:26
scizzo-Sergeant_Pony: you can install it with apt-get08:07
jussi01Im getting some repos being unable to connect this morning, anyone else having that issue?08:16
jussi01looks like somethings up with the .fi archive. meh, Ill use the main one for a bit08:20
scizzo-jussi01: I am using gb. arechive without any problem08:27
jussi01scizzo-: yeah, seems .fi had issues, main repo is fine08:29
rippsI have to say, I'm pleasantly suprised at how much better Jaunty runs compared to Intrepid. HD videos, which used to stutter alot in Intrepid, are seamless and play almost perfectly.09:22
rippsThe dshow coreavc with mplayer works great now.09:23
rippsEXA in my R300 Ati driver is much more stable now, but still too unstable. Luckily, XAA seems to be much faster now, so it's not as annoying as it was before.09:24
rippsIf they can hammer out the EXA issues in the ATI driver, than I can probably call this best version of Ubuntu yet.09:26
histowas there a net split or someting what happened in #ubuntu?09:57
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TheInfinityhisto: netsplit is always server wide, so also in this channel ;)09:57
histoWell I don't see them because i'm set to ignore everything.09:57
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howlingmadhowiehi everybody. the ram usage of jaunty on my computer is growing :( it's at 1.5GB atm, and i only have a couple of programs running :(10:02
howlingmadhowiehow do i find out what's using the memory? according to conky, X is using 888 MB10:04
TheInfinityhowlingmadhowie: top or ps ?10:04
howlingmadhowiei had a look, but nothing seems to be using more than 2 or 3 percent (apart from firefox)10:05
TheInfinityif you relaunch ff?10:05
howlingmadhowiei'll shut firefox and see what happers10:05
howlingmadhowiehappens :)10:05
TheInfinityand what do you meean by ram usage exacly?10:06
howlingmadhowieoh, that freed 330MB according to conky10:06
howlingmadhowieby ram i mean that top tells me that (now) 1136552k is used10:06
howlingmadhowieoh, interesting. when i don't do anything, the number stays the same in top. maybe it really is just firefox10:08
howlingmadhowielast night, after the computer had been running for 12 hours, it had filled up all my ram (3GB) and the mouse was slow. shutting firefox freed about half a gig10:09
TheInfinityhowlingmadhowie: i dont know what conky is (and i think its not the right instrument to get information about your pc ;) )10:10
howlingmadhowieconky just shows some stuff about the X server10:11
SiDihowlingmadhowie, don't you have swap ?10:11
howlingmadhowiei have 4 Gig swap10:11
SiDiis it in use right now ?10:12
SiDicause 1.5 gb is huge10:12
howlingmadhowienope. swap is empty10:12
SiDii don't have swap and i'm at 800/900 with xchat+trans+ff+ other stuff10:12
SiDiok then there must be a bug, it may not be able to use the swap for some reason10:12
SiDithat's why your ram grows so much imho10:12
howlingmadhowiei blame flash :-D10:13
howlingmadhowiebut then i always blame flash :-D10:13
howlingmadhowiei wonder who jetty is. let me see what google has to say about that10:14
scizzo-unless the machine starts swaping the mem usage is not that often any big problem10:14
scizzo-it can be cached memory that is being used10:14
howlingmadhowieyesterday it really did start to slow down :(10:17
howlingmadhowieoh i see a problem. i installed netbeans6.1 and it's installed a java servlet engine which gets started automatically.10:19
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* howlingmadhowie will remove netbeans :-D10:21
BUGabundogood morning everyone10:32
BUGabundohow's our beloved jakalope threating you today?10:32
BUGabundothat good enh !? eheh10:37
howlingmadhowieoh manno! tragoedie! ich habe wrestling noch nicht downloadet!10:48
howlingmadhowiesorry! wrong window!10:48
smeg0lin firefox kubuntu 9.04 alpha 4 i have no sound with flash10:53
BUGabundohowlingmadhowie: it would seem soo ehehe10:53
BUGabundosmeg0l: humm if it was gnome I would say PA10:53
BUGabundobut kde uses plone10:54
BUGabundoI don't know enough about it...10:54
smeg0lokay10:54
BUGabundomaybe some else here can point it out10:54
BUGabundoare there any bugs on LP about it?10:54
smeg0ldunno10:54
smeg0li will check10:55
BUGabundogo and search...10:55
BUGabundoand let us know10:55
smeg0lyes10:55
smeg0li don't find it to be reported in launchpad11:01
maxbIs there a GUI widget to turn off the new update-manager auto-launch, or do I dive into gconf-editor?11:01
Oli``Can somebody tell me what nice level their pulseaudio is running at, please?11:25
Oli``Mine starts up at 0 and I'm getting stuttering but I saw somebody in the forums had -11 by default... Wondering if mine or theirs is incorrect11:26
maxb0 here11:28
scizzo-Oli``: you mean that the sound starts to jump a little at certain points?11:31
smeg0lBUGabundo, i have reported it on lp11:31
Oli``scizzo-: yup11:31
Oli``scizzo-: and it can't hold sync with videos11:31
scizzo-Oli``: I have that also11:31
scizzo-Oli``: not really sure but I believe it might be a known problem11:32
Oli``scizzo-: what's your PA's nice value (out of interest)?11:32
scizzo-Oli``: can't see that from here.....11:33
BUGabundoOli``: did you read the email sent to devel discuss?11:39
Oli``BUGabundo: no, I've not seen it11:40
howlingmadhowieoh boy. something strange is going on here. total mem used (according to top): almost 2GB. of which X (according to conky): 950 MB11:44
BUGabundoOli``: crisum mentioned what to do to workaround that11:52
BUGabundolet me get the archive link for you11:52
BUGabundoOli``: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-February/007108.html11:53
BUGabundohowlingmadhowie: that's disk cache!11:53
mvomaxb: unfortunately there is curretnly just the gconf key - you are welcome to give feedback to the design team if you think this is not a good default11:54
maxbIt's a pretty horrendous default if you prefer to use aptitude :-)11:54
maxbSorry, it's probably a reasonable to default to shove updates in the face of novice users and make sure they pay attention11:55
howlingmadhowieBUGabundo: i hope so. firefox is starting to slow down as well :(11:55
maxbHowever, anyone vaguely power-user should be able to turn it off11:56
howlingmadhowieBUGabundo: and memory usage in growing at about 400kB per second even when i don't do anything11:57
mvomaxb: unfortunately there is curretnly just the gconf key - you are welcome to give feedback to the design team if you think this is not a good default11:58
maxb<maxb> It's a pretty horrendous default if you prefer to use aptitude :-)11:58
maxb<maxb> Sorry, it's probably a reasonable to default to shove updates in the face of novice users and make sure they pay attention11:58
maxb<maxb> However, anyone vaguely power-user should be able to turn it off11:58
BUGabundohowlingmadhowie: you must have a memory leak11:59
BUGabundo(intall and) run sudo atop 211:59
BUGabundothen press 'm'11:59
BUGabundoto order by memory and see what's up11:59
BUGabundoif need, kill it with -911:59
mvomaxb: if you raise your concern in a bugreport or a mail to the mailinglist I will ask the design team to come up with a solution that is fine for both novices and power users. the gconf key exists because a lot of users do not like the new behaviour11:59
BUGabundohowlingmadhowie: if you have pidign and some player running that could be it12:00
maxbbugreport on update-manager? -notifer?12:00
mvomaxb: update-notifieir please12:00
maxbwhich mailinglist, ooi?12:00
howlingmadhowieBUGabundo: okay, i'll have a look :)12:00
mvomaxb: ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss should both be fine (maybe the later is a bit better)12:01
maxbok, I will u-d-d it and bugreport it12:01
howlingmadhowieBUGabundo: mon dieu! firefox has a vsize of 1.0G !12:02
mvomaxb: thanks, please let me know the bugnumber so that I can pass it on12:05
maxbwill do, but it'll be in a few hours, need to go back to work now12:07
howlingmadhowieokay. i've killed firefox, openoffice, emacs and this strange jetty process and i'm now down to 1.6 GB used of which 1.0GB is cache.12:07
howlingmadhowiei think i'll restart X and see what happens12:08
Oli``scizzo-: did you upgrade or do a fresh install?12:30
Andre_Hhi, i want ext4 in intrepid...how to get the jaunty-kernel working?12:32
ActionParsnip1hey all, I tied to install Jaunty a while back and the install breezed through on my MD5 / CD verified media. The first bootup became stuck on checking battery despite it being a desktop system. Is there a fix for this / has this been resolved?12:35
scizzo-Oli``: I did a upgrade12:51
Oli``scizzo-: Me too. I suggest adding yourself to the pulse-rt group and restarting.12:51
ActionParsnip1Oli``: are you aware of the issue I had above?12:53
Oli``ActionParsnip1: I can only say I haven't run into that problem at all. Did you report it to launchpad? If so, check its status. If not, how do you expect it to be fixed without a bug report?12:55
ActionParsnip1Oli``: it was a glancing curiosity but its already been logged12:57
ActionParsnip1i'll wait for release, easier too13:01
elvirolo i'm trying to install jaunty to test it, but the prob is I don't have any blank cd's, just an external hd... so i used unetbootin to make the second partition bootable, containing the jaunty install cd, but it won't boot from it13:07
* maxb congratulates the developers of alsdorf on a truly unique package name :-)13:13
maxbelvirolo: Have you considered using usb-creator?13:13
elvirolomaxb : ah ? haven't heard about that, i'll look it up thks13:14
Oli``elvirolo: I unetbootin wouldn't work for me either but the built-in usb creator did13:14
maxbIt's a bit like unetbootin specifically for Ubuntu install cds13:15
Oli``but it does require a USB stick... you can't write to HDs13:15
elvirololooks great13:17
elvirolothe problem is I'm using windows right now13:17
elvirolohmmm13:17
Oli``okay long way round... Wubi first... then when you're in Wubi-Ubuntu, burn to USB... and then do your real install...13:18
elviroloBTW, is it possible to use just one single partition on the disk ? the thing is I already have a lot of data on the disk, and i don't want to format it13:18
Oli``Seems a little silly, I have to say13:18
elviroloi'll try and use someone else's ubuntu box13:20
elvirolothanks for the tip anyway :)13:20
maxbSo, this new shiny notification thingy, does it have any configuration?14:26
maxbor documentation?14:28
Oli``as part of the updates, I just installed alsdorf... I'm trying to find out what the package provides, what it does, etc... But I can't find it on packages.ubuntu.com or in synaptic...14:31
Oli``ah, found it by looking manually in synaptic... search can't find it for some reason14:31
scizzo-Oli``: try to use: apt-cache show <package>14:32
Oli``WHOA!14:32
Oli``that was a fancy notification14:32
Oli``scizzo-: say my name again >_<14:32
maxbOli``: it's a shame it's no longer in the place I want, nor staying on screen for as long as I want, though :-(14:32
Oli``maxb: my old ones were always on the wrong screen (I use Twinview) so this is an improvement for me... but yeah.. they're a bit fast to go, aren't they?!14:33
maxbI use twinview too14:33
maxbthey used to appear just in the right place for me to read them14:33
maxbnow they appear where I have to turn my head away from what I'm primarily working on14:34
Oli``Hopefully they'll be configurable14:35
* maxb senses much bug reporting to do :-(14:36
maxbthe new thing also handles multiple notifications worse than the previous version14:36
Oli``I've not seen that yet14:37
scizzo-maxb: maybe there are a bunch of bugs being worked on already14:40
scizzo-maxb: its new to ubuntu with the notification stuff so I would not be suprised if there are bugs14:40
Oli``oh yeah... just used notify-send to spam myself... that's not great14:40
Oli``It's a pity there isn't one notification protocol that both KDE and Gnome (and others) could follow and they could each build their systems on top of that so running a KDE app under gnome could still send notifications, etc14:41
Oli``Doesn't sound like a desperately complex thing to begin with but I know some notifications do more than just display a message...14:42
kuaeraAs of an update sometime yesterday, knetworkmanager will no longer "act" on encrypted wireless networks.14:50
kuaeraYou can add them, you can click them, but knetworkmanager does nothing.14:50
guijemonthi15:10
guijemontI'd like to know the chances of bug #315704 (sync elisa from debian experimental) to be fixed for jaunty15:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 315704 in elisa "Please sync Elisa 0.5.28-1 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31570415:12
guijemontyeah, that one15:12
guijemontcool bot, I want the same on #elisa15:13
BUGabundoguijemont: today is the last day for sync! tomorrow we enter in feature freeze15:28
BUGabundoyou better ask on #ubuntu-archive15:28
BUGabundoand read up on the wiki what the procedure is15:28
guijemontwhat's #ubuntu-archive?15:29
guijemontdidn't know it existed15:29
guijemontmaybe it should be listed there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#Channels15:29
guijemonthmm, actually, there doesn't seem to be any #ubuntu-archive on freenode, am I mistaken?15:30
guijemontBUGabundo: what do you mean by #ubuntu-archive?15:34
BUGabundothe irc channel15:36
guijemonton freenode?15:36
guijemontdoing /join #ubuntu-archive results in a lot of loneliness for me15:37
BUGabundohumm do a search for it then... I must have some typo on it15:47
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billybigriggerpidgin crashes every time i send a message to someone on msn, anyone else have this problem?16:17
billybigriggeractually the other user is using pidgin, just we are both using the msn protocol16:18
BUGabundobillybigrigger: try to disable all plugins16:19
BUGabundoits usually one of them16:19
billybigriggernautilus integration is the only plugin active, its disabled now16:20
BUGabundoand try to kill/suspend pulse audio16:20
BUGabundobrb16:20
BUGabundoreboot16:20
_VIM_Can someone help me get higher resolution than 800x600 in vbox? I have Jaunty in vbox 1.5.616:23
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tretleso the new notifications landed16:53
tretlehttp://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4476/screenshotfx9.png16:53
BUGabundoI have alredy been seen something diff for a while16:54
fosco__tretle, is that your desktop?16:57
tretleyup16:58
Picipretty16:58
fosco__let's see the notifications16:58
noodlesgcis that with or without compiz-fusion running?16:59
tretleI sent an email to the guy who made the wallpaper about ubuntu and jaunty's art submission page and hes interested in submitting stuff16:59
tretleno I have compiz running16:59
BUGabundotretle: really big desktop enh !?17:00
tretle1080i 15" laptop screen17:01
tretle:D17:01
BUGabundobtw does compiz fusion work for you guys?17:01
BUGabundowhen I use it, it always fails to reload17:01
tretleyup with opensource ati drivers17:01
BUGabundonot sure if it local or bug17:01
crdlbpastebin the output of compiz17:02
tretleby the way the new notifications look the exact same minus the transparancy and animations but still has curved angles etc without compositing17:02
BUGabundotretle: was it an update, option or ppa ?17:03
BUGabundoI don't have them look as you17:03
Oli``BUGabundo: fails on start-up but works when I enable it from visual effects17:03
BUGabundoOli``: humm looks like me17:03
tretleits part of the ubuntu-desktop package17:03
BUGabundowhen I choose to get compiz via compizfusion17:03
* BUGabundo checks for updates17:03
tretleif its being held back update it from synaptic17:04
BUGabundomy queue is clean17:05
mvoBUGabundo: what does ~/.xsession-errors show when you start compiz (or the terminal when you start it from a terminal)?17:05
BUGabundoI just loose my WM when I start from cli17:06
BUGabundoif I don't have a terminal at hand, I can't reload it17:06
BUGabundo:(17:06
BUGabundolet me look at erros?17:06
mvoBUGabundo: hm, could you please log into a "failsafe terminal" and run "compiz" there and put the output into a paste.ubuntu.com ?17:07
BUGabundosure17:07
mvoBUGabundo: or just upload your ~/.xsession-errors file17:07
BUGabundolet me just clean my .xseesion-errors17:07
mvo(but that probably contains a lot more stuff :)17:07
BUGabundoand try to run it now!17:07
BUGabundomvo: regular Appearance->extra, or can I try compiz fusion17:08
BUGabundomvo humm do you do work on UM too, right?17:09
mvoBUGabundo: yes17:09
BUGabundoremember that old bug about lines being cut?17:09
mvooh, yes17:09
BUGabundojust got it, right now17:09
BUGabundofor the first time in months17:09
BUGabundoit was okay 1 hour ago17:09
mvoI have seen it too recently, I suspect its a bug with gtk, I don't know what u-m could do to trigger it :/17:09
BUGabundome neither17:10
BUGabundoany logs around?17:10
fosco__tretle, i've done a dist-upgrade and still having only the two normal themes for popup notifications17:26
fosco__did you do something special?17:26
tretlego into software sources and make sure that proposed packages are enabled17:29
fosco__ok17:30
tretlewell did that work?17:31
tretleyou should see an update for ubuntu desktop17:31
fosco__ummm nop, still the same17:32
fosco__let's try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop17:33
BUGabundo1tretle: I'm stuck a no updates either17:34
tretleenable proposed and backports then make sure your doewnloading from the main server and dont forget to refresh update manager after the chages17:38
* BUGabundo1 checks if ubutnu-desktop ended removed17:38
BUGabundo1LOLOLOLOL17:39
BUGabundo1it was removed17:39
BUGabundo1mvo: didn't UM -d forced to install ubuntu-desktop?17:39
BUGabundo1hummm that reminds me of a bug of a friend of mine17:39
BUGabundo1using ibex xubuntu ended up with Ubuntu jaunty17:40
BUGabundo1not sure its related17:40
* BUGabundo1 there comes all evo crap17:40
fosco__ups, now i don't have notifications menu18:22
fosco__:-?18:22
bruce89they've replaced it with something else18:23
bruce89apparently a black rectangle is better than a bubble18:25
fosco__i can't see where it is18:25
cwillufosco_, this falls under the category of "not entirely unexpected breakage when running alpha's and dailies of unreleased distro's" :p18:30
cwillufosco_, still broken if you log in as a new user?18:30
cwillubtw, can anybody verify that s2disk/s2both segfaults after chvt'ing to vt9 after the latest update to uswsusp?18:31
cwilluon 32bit18:32
Ienorandcwillu: I'll try in a bit, updating...18:34
BUGabundo1cwillu: I already have the UM logs I mention the other day18:35
BUGabundo1need to open a bug for it18:35
BUGabundo1let me pastebin then so you can take a look18:35
fosco__let's try18:45
fosco__still the same, notification options aren't there18:50
FjordsideHi, Im on 9.04 / how do I disable IPv6?18:52
Fjordsideive tryed blacklist bad_list aliases and so on none seem to bite18:52
Fjordsidein under modprobe18:53
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fosco__can someone tell me how the notification program is called?19:04
fosco__i want to execute it from console19:05
Amaranththat'd be notify-send19:05
bruce89you need libnotify-bin installed for that19:05
AmaranthRight, which is not installed by default19:05
AmaranthSo there is no easy way to do it from a default Ubuntu install19:05
Amaranthunless screwing with dbus-send is your idea of easy19:06
ali1234"screwing with dbus" isn't that hard with python19:06
Amaranthsure, but from console you have to use dbus-send19:06
bruce89not as easy as just installing libnotify-bin19:06
ali1234true19:07
ali1234i just got the new notify stuff in todays updates19:07
ali1234seems like a lot of things in gnome arn't using it19:07
ali1234is this still WIP?19:08
bruce89clearly19:08
AmaranthIt's not even officially allowed in GNOME19:08
fosco__notify-send is used to print a notification, i want to know the name of the notifications configurator programa19:08
fosco__http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rgO8m__aY7g/SXJH3xzoZMI/AAAAAAAABQk/wbot6Ak-Ec4/s1600-h/notificaciones_jaunty.jpg <- this19:08
AmaranthApps that use it have to have a compile-time way to disable using it19:08
ali1234example: n-m is putting up "ok/cancel/dont show this again" dialogs19:08
bruce89quite right so19:08
bruce89although I think libnotify is in GNOME now19:09
Amaranthfosco__: notification-properties19:09
AmaranthI think it was finally allowed as an external dependency19:09
AmaranthBut there was a fight even for that since it is completely unmaintained19:10
bruce89but of course the daemon that actually displays them isn't19:10
Amaranththat's fine though19:10
AmaranthYou can use libnotify without the daemon and it just won't do anything19:10
bruce89but I think Ubuntu should have left things alone, and waited for what GNOME 3.0 came up with19:10
fosco__thanks Amaranth, was that19:10
AmaranthBut you don't have to #ifdef the hell out of your code19:10
bruce89yes, that makes sense19:11
Amaranthbruce89: From what I've seen of GNOME 3.0 we're much better off working on things ourselves19:11
bruce89why?19:11
AmaranthHave you seen gnome-shell?19:12
bruce89yes, it's still a prototype19:12
AmaranthNot only do I think the whole concept is broken it also doesn't allow you to use compiz or gnome-do19:12
bruce89Mutter surely makes compiz obselete19:12
AmaranthIt surely doesn't19:13
bruce89and there was talk about doing gnome-do stuff straight in GTK+19:13
AmaranthIt's still the cheerios of window managers19:13
Amaranthbruce89: By gnome-do I actually meant Docky, sorry19:13
bruce89I doubt that gnome-shell will be what 3.0 is actually19:13
bruce89but Ubuntu are clearly trying to make 2.0 as much like it as possible19:14
AmaranthHow do you figure?19:14
bruce89the notification stuff19:14
AmaranthHow is that like 3.0? I haven't seen anything from GNOME about notifications in 3.019:15
bruce89and the removal of the notification applets to be replaced by a single applet19:15
bruce89all of which bypasses upstream I may add19:15
AmaranthWhen upstream goes crazy what choice do you have?19:16
bruce89GNOME 2.26 is not crazy19:16
bruce89so there's no need to make it so19:16
AmaranthI'm talking about 3.019:17
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AmaranthNone of the changes you're talking about are going to be in 9.0419:17
bruce89well, the notifications are there now, I'd know19:17
AmaranthMaybe 9.10, by then GNOME 3.0 is right around the corner19:17
AmaranthThey really aren't19:17
bruce89Amaranth: how so, I've got them right now19:18
AmaranthNotifications in general have been there in every distro for like 5 years19:18
AmaranthUbuntu's changes to them are not there19:18
bruce89they are19:18
AmaranthYou have black bubbles with transparency?19:18
Amaranththat slide in and fade out?19:18
bruce89yu[19:18
bruce89http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6756611&postcount=2119:19
fosco__i have black rounded rectangles only19:19
bruce89well, it's as far as they've got now19:19
AmaranthI still have the orange brown looking ones19:20
bruce89that's only slightly barmy, but autolaunching of update-manager is the full straightjacket19:20
AmaranthWait, are you using a dark theme?19:20
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ali1234well the new notifications *are* kind of ugly19:22
bruce89changing notification daemon for no reason is pretty pointless19:22
BUGabundo1and it works only sometime....19:22
Amaranthbruce89: Looks like at most a theme change19:22
bruce89indeed, but I think they have more plans (read: patches)19:23
Amaranthbruce89: Sure, but those plans require compositing everywhere19:23
bruce89yes, I don't like that either19:24
bruce89but as others point out, it'll likely not come to pass19:24
AmaranthSure it will19:24
bruce89not if I get my way19:25
bruce89or GNOME19:25
AmaranthWith a even somewhat decent computer you can do compositing in software19:25
AmaranthSimple transparency and shadows only, of course19:25
Amaranthbruce89: gnome-shell depends on compositing always being possible19:25
bruce89true19:25
bruce89but at least that's GNOME doing it19:25
Amaranthand compiz 0.10 will support XRender compositing19:25
mvobruce89: if you don't like the autolaunch, raise it on the mailinglist and/or file a bug. the design team will have a look19:26
bruce89I have19:26
bruce89they said take it to the mailing list, so I did19:26
Amaranthautolaunch?19:27
* Amaranth does a dist-upgrade19:27
AmaranthGuess I am a couple days behind...19:27
bruce89Amaranth: update-manager will launch automatically every 2 days19:27
Amaranthoh, it's about time19:27
BUGabundo1humm bruce89 is nt it on every boot???19:28
bruce89it's supposed to be 2 days19:28
bruce89I don't know why they want to make the window list a notification area19:28
peterzsomeone else have had their wireless stuff stop working recently?19:29
macopeterz: what kind of wireless?19:30
* maco is installing a kernel update right now19:30
peterzmaco: intel 530019:31
peterzmaco: but I suspect its not the kernel, just network-wanker going bad19:31
macopeterz: you could use wireless tools to test that theory19:31
peterzI can iwlist wlan0 scan the thing19:31
peterznetwork thingy just won't connect19:32
peterzwon't even show the blue gear thingy19:32
macocan you connect with iwconfig too?19:32
macoblue gear? knetworkmanager?19:32
peterzdon't have any open access point19:32
peterzmaco: yeah, kde19:32
macois it WEP or WPA?19:32
peterzwpa219:32
maco>< i dont know how to use wpa_supplicant19:32
macodid you try plasmoid-network-manager?19:33
peterznope, but I suspect the actual fronend won't do much good19:33
BUGabundo1maco: its quite easy19:34
macoive had gnome's nm-applet break and knm work fine. the following week i had knm break and then gnome's nm-applet worked fine.19:34
BUGabundo1just need to create /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf19:34
macoBUGabundo1: dtchen showed me how to edit /etc/network/interfaces to do it19:34
macoBUGabundo1: dude, that file is like 50 feet long19:34
macoyou can add like 4 lines to /etc/network/interfaces and be done with it19:34
macoi just dont know the 4 lines19:35
macowell one is something like: driver "wext"19:35
peterzwpa-driver wext, and such, I found some example19:35
macoBUGabundo: you missed that i said there are about 4 lines to add to interfaces, but i dont lknow them19:35
peterzI'll poke a bit at that19:35
macopeterz: link please?19:35
macoso i can learn19:35
peterzmaco: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20283419:36
macothanks19:36
AmaranthNeat, a bug in metacity window handling that compiz handles properly19:44
AmaranthDon't see those too often, hopefully will be seeing more like that soon :)19:45
peterzand here I thought all of metacity window handling was a bug ;-)19:45
ali1234compiz is really the only compositing wm with even a single useful feature19:46
ali1234and it really is a single useful feature too19:46
macoali1234: lies!19:46
macoyou haven't used kwin19:46
ali1234yes i have19:47
fdeali1234: kwin has most of the features compiz has... you just didn't set them up... also, there is xfwm4 but I haven't played with that... what is this "useful feature"?19:48
ali1234zooming19:48
Amaranth:D19:48
Amaranthezoom is awesome19:48
AmaranthI always try to do it on Windows19:48
AmaranthOf course you can do it on OS X so when I try there it actually works :)19:48
ali1234yes me too19:48
fdeali1234: kwin can do zooming19:49
ali1234in kwin after i zoom in i can't pan around19:49
Amaranthezoom is the reason I'm not using compiz++ right now19:49
macoi consider the most useful features of compiz to be: i can jump from workspace #last to workspace #1 directly, without passing through the rest. kwin does this. metacity fails. the other most useful thing is Scale/Exposé. Kwin does this too.19:49
ali1234kwin also lacks the ability to zoom in to fit a single window with a shortcut19:49
Amaranthezoom also does zoom box, I don't think kwin does19:50
ali1234so as usual, kde does everything, but nothing well :/19:51
macodidnt know that one existed in compiz...19:51
Amaranthali1234: The problem with compiz is that it does everything :P19:52
ali1234you know what i like the least about the new notifications? it has two different sized fonts. the over use of many different font sizes is my number 1 reason for hating kde...19:53
Amaranththat reminds me, is it possible to make the clock in KDE smaller text and/or 12 hour time?19:53
AmaranthI was using plasma with docky for awhile but that just drove me nuts19:53
macoAmaranth: regional settings for 12h time19:53
ali1234the kde panel clock changes font size to fit the panel. so make the panel smaller19:54
Amaranthmaco: Well it was ignoring my settings then19:54
macoapparently HH means 24hour time and pH or whatever it is is 12hr19:54
AmaranthI wanted the panel that size and the date showing next to the time was in a smaller font19:54
ali1234yeah that would be nice. but impossible afaik19:54
Amaranththe time seemed to literally push all the way to the edges of the panel, no padding at all19:55
ali1234yes, it;s extremely ugly19:55
ali1234the time should be the same size as the date, both of which should be the same size as all the other text, all of which should be whatever size i say they should be19:55
AmaranthOr don't let me choose the size but include a little padding19:56
fdeAmaranth: yes... both are possible... right click > Preferences19:56
fdeAmaranth: padding is automatic based on size you choose and font etc19:57
fdeAmaranth: it tries to fill the widget with the text though19:57
Amaranththe time also seems to stretch to take all possible horizontal space19:58
Amaranthso I had my time in the middle of the panel and the date on the right side19:58
AmaranthIn any case, I went back to gnome-panel for now19:58
AmaranthProbably just write my own19:58
billybigriggerlol, what is gnome-thumbnail???20:00
billybigrigger 8226 root      20   0 33096 1684 1364 R  100  0.1  69:23.67 gnome-thumbnail20:00
billybigriggerbeen running cpu2 @ 100% for ever20:00
ali1234generates the thumbnails you see in nautilus20:00
billybigriggerhaha20:00
billybigriggercool20:00
ali1234do you have a nautilus open on a folder where a video is being downloaded (ie torrent)20:00
billybigriggernope20:00
ali1234if so it regenerates the thumbs constantly20:00
billybigriggerjust closed my 3 nautilus windows20:01
ali1234also same goes for desktop20:01
billybigriggerstill running @ 10020:01
billybigriggersafe to kill this process then?20:02
ali1234you might not see any new thumbnails until you reboot... but other than that yeah i think it is safe20:02
billybigriggerwell cpu2 dropped to normal, and cpu1 is @ 100% now20:02
billybigriggerwell whats causing this?20:03
ali1234dunno20:03
ali1234try lsof on the process etc20:03
ali1234or look in proc what it has open20:03
billybigriggeryou'd think gnome-thumbnails would kill itself if no nautilus windows are open no?20:03
mnemotry:20:03
mnemogdb -p `pidof gnome-thumbnail`20:03
mnemoand then to "bt" a couple of times20:03
mnemoand see what the functions are called20:03
ali1234well there's always the files on desktop20:04
billybigriggergnome-thumbnail: No such file or directory.20:04
billybigriggerIllegal process-id: pidof.20:04
macomaybe $() insted of ``?20:04
savvasHas anyone else noticed the white screen while using fast user switch applet?20:05
billybigriggersudo gdb -p $(pidof gnome-thumbnail)20:05
billybigrigger?20:05
billybigrigger(gdb) bt20:05
billybigriggerNo stack.20:05
savvasI can't remember if it was compiz or nvidia's fault for the white screen in login.. hm..20:07
macosavvas: i think it was the combination20:12
macoor wait...20:12
macoyou mean when two compiz sessions are running simultaneously?20:12
macoif that, then it's compiz. intel can't do it either20:12
macoif it's just plain white screen with only 1 compiz session running, then thatd be nvidia, i think20:13
RAOFnvidia can do two sessions simultaneously, but with bugs.20:13
RAOFThe most interesting of the bugs, and the one you've probably run into is: any textures (windows) created on a VT that's not active are empty - pure white.20:14
savvasmaco: yes, login with one account, use fast user switch applet to log in to another account, then use the applet to switch back to the former account - it shows a white screen, and only a reboot allows me to use the desktop manager again, "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart" using the console (ctrl-alt-f1) doesn't do the trick unfortunately20:15
macooh i dont mean switch back20:16
macoi remember back during edgy (havent tried it since) if you had compiz going and switched to another user, that user would jsut get white20:16
Amaranthsavvas: The white screen is actually gnome-screensaver20:16
Amaranthsavvas: If you blindly type your password you get back in20:17
savvasthere was a similar bug fixed for intrepid if I remember well20:17
savvasAmaranth: if I disable the screensaver, I won't have this problem?20:17
Amaranthsavvas: Shouldn't20:17
savvasdoesn't hurt to try :)20:17
savvasbe right back20:17
AmaranthWe only have the bug because we force gnome-screensaver to be unredirected for security reasons20:18
Amarantherr, to not be unredirect20:18
Amaranthed20:18
AmaranthConfused? Me too.20:19
savvasheheh20:20
Amaranthsavvas: Did it work?20:22
savvasAmaranth: disabled screensaver but still getting the white screen, thanks for the blind typing tip though!!20:22
AmaranthSo the screensaver still comes on20:22
AmaranthI don't think you can make it not come on on user switch without uninstalling it20:23
savvaswait, I'll try and kill it20:23
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Amaranthdbus will start it again when something tries to use it20:23
savvaswoohoo!20:23
Amaranthor not20:24
savvasthere were a running gnome-screensaver processes: ps aux | grep screensaver20:25
savvas-a20:26
macoAmaranth: ive had the screensaver hang on letting me log back in. it is definitely killable from a TTY20:29
billybigriggerwhat is the best way to install flash for 9.04 64bit, straight from adobe's site?20:31
savvasbillybigrigger: I think it's already in use as flashplugin-nonfree, isn't it?20:31
billybigriggerhopefully it works20:32
savvashm.. maybe I'm wrong20:33
savvas    - backout switch to native 64-bit alpha/beta plugin; reinstantiate20:33
savvas      nspluginwrapper logic for _all_ archs20:33
fdeWill Firefox 3.1 be the version released with jaunty?20:33
savvasfde: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.120:35
fdesavvas: well, I saw that... what I meant is will that be the default version for jaunty?20:35
savvasno idea20:36
Amaranthno20:37
MamboKurti got a problem with my ati grphics card. maybe the drivers do not work with xorg from jaunty. glxinfo says "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." and ccc does have problems initialising and says there are no drivers or are not properly working20:37
AmaranthToo late20:37
* fde cries20:37
fdeGuess I'll be wondering back to Fedora come release time then20:37
AmaranthMamboKurt: fglrx does not work with jaunty20:37
bruce89fde: probably a good idea anyway20:37
MamboKurtAmaranth: thanks. you have an idea why and when it will :)20:38
AmaranthMamboKurt: The DDX ABI changed, fglrx needs to be modified to match20:39
fdebruce89: hah... yeah, Rawhide tends to be much more buggy than Ubuntu pre-releases though... they do a lot of annoying things with SELinux during release cycles that I do not enjoy testing20:39
bruce89at least they don't bugger about with GNOME as much20:40
savvasbillybigrigger: as far as I can see, flashplugin-nonfree still uses npwrapper and not 10.0.d21.1 - you can install it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins from http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.d21.1.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz though20:40
AmaranthWhen? Well, last release we ended up with an Ubuntu-only pre-release fglrx driver from ATI so...20:40
fdebruce89: umm, they use the pre-releases of gnome... I don't notice much patched stuff in Ubuntu's Gnome... except for some niceties like the notification thing and the improved fast-user-switch applet20:41
billybigriggersavvas, i have flashplugin-nonfree installed and working now thanks20:41
bruce89I was thinking about the lack of PackageKit etc.20:41
fdeindicator isn't a patch though, its just an add on to gnome20:41
savvasbillybigrigger: but it's not the 64-bit native by adobe :)20:42
Amaranthbruce89: PackageKit isn't GNOME20:42
AmaranthPackageKit is Fedora and they're trying to push it into GNOME20:42
bruce89I know, I'll shut up20:42
fdebruce89: packagekit isn't part of gnome... it also doesn't cater to apt very well20:42
RAOFbruce89: And you're welcome to install PackageKit.20:42
bruce89yes thank you20:42
RAOFIt works much, much better than last time I tried it :)20:42
bruce89it's FreeDesktop actuall20:42
billybigriggersavvas, oooh20:42
fdebruce89: (mostly the fact that apt utilizes stdout a lot for interaction.... they refuse to support it, so packagekit is a pain on .deb systems)20:42
AmaranthRAOF: Can it still only do one package at a time?20:42
fdebruce89: no its not20:43
RAOFAmaranth: No!  It no longer blocks for 30sec every time you click on its UI, either!20:43
Amaranthfde: That's not true, any package that uses stdin is considered broken in Debian and Ubuntu too20:43
fdebruce89: its yet another thing redhat is trying to ram down our throats, they are not colaborating via fd.o though20:43
Amaranthfde: And debconf can use a frontend that doesn't use stdin20:43
bruce89fde: and how's that any different to Ubuntu?20:43
fdeAmaranth: I didn't say stdin though... packagekit would not by able to use debconf due to lack of stdout support20:44
billybigriggersavvas, libflashplayer.so from the archive you showed me to download, place that in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins20:44
bruce89for instance, upstart, usplash, ubiquity etc.20:44
Amaranthfde: Ah, in that case they can use other methods, debconf is pretty configurable20:44
fdeAmaranth: I might be wrong, but from what I've seen of the code for the different outputs, they use stdout too?20:45
savvasbillybigrigger: yep, then restart firefox and visit this url: about:plugins20:45
Amaranthfde: The GTK+ one uses stdout?20:45
fdeAmaranth: but why when Ubuntu already has methods for such things?20:45
AmaranthExactly20:45
AmaranthPackageKit is still not better then synaptic and gnome-app-install so there is no point in using it20:45
fdeAmaranth: last time I looked, yes... although I haven't looked since Ubuntu started utilizing it, so could be its heavily modified since?20:46
billybigriggersavvas, ok20:46
bruce89apart from the fact it is not distro-specific20:46
fdeAmaranth: uhh... gnome-codec-install *  ;)20:46
billybigriggersavvas, installed, what am i looking for in about:plugins?     File name: libflashplayer.so20:46
billybigrigger    Shockwave Flash 10.0 d2120:46
Amaranthbruce89: But the package names are so...20:46
mvofde: one problem with packagekit is that it does not support debconf (by design)20:46
Amaranthmvo: I thought that was fixed?20:47
fdebruce89: non-distro specific = overall lacking... you can't specialize on functionality as you have to cater to more20:47
fdemvo: I already brought that up20:47
mvoAmaranth: its a ongoing discussion with upstream, we can set DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, but thats about it20:47
mvofde: oh, thanks. missed that20:47
Amaranthmvo: Ugh20:47
fdeAmaranth: no, the guy doing PackageKit said it wasn't a bug, and decided to start a flame about stdout being bad practice.20:47
Amaranthmvo: So no java license question, no conffile management, etc20:47
mvoits unfortunate, PK is nice20:48
mvoAmaranth: yes20:48
bruce89I see20:48
mvowe could deal with conffiles with some pretty big workarounds20:48
mvobut nothing like the java stuff20:48
AmaranthPackageKit == broken by design then20:48
fdeAmaranth: Last I checked, the only answer currently accepted by Richard is for debconf to be set to high so it doesn't ask questions... but it still breaks things like java due to required signing of the license20:48
mvoor basicly anthing wehere nointeractive will make the package fail20:48
Amaranthwtf20:49
mvoAmaranth: PK clams its the other way aorund :) debs are broken by design20:49
Amaranthgnome-power-manager popped up a dialog saying I was running on battery power20:49
AmaranthBut the buttons on the dialog are "Don't show me this again", "Cancel, and "OK"20:49
fdeHence the current stand off... and lack of packagekit crud in Ubuntu20:49
bruce89Amaranth: yet another daft patch20:49
AmaranthIf I push cancel does it connect my AC power again?20:49
fdeAmaranth: during an update? its annoying but I don't think its fixable... its due to reloading it afaik20:50
ali1234Amaranth: i get that too since the notification changes. n-m and also the unmounting stuff does it too20:50
Amaranthfde: No, my power flickered20:50
fdeAmaranth: ew20:50
savvasbillybigrigger: yep, that's it!20:50
Amaranthfde: The problem is why is there a cancel button20:50
bruce89Amaranth: dodgy coding20:50
AmaranthHonestly there shouldn't be a dialog at all20:51
ali1234Amaranth: surely the problem is it is showing that dialog at all rather than using the notification-daemon?20:51
fdeali1234: I get that in every distro I use when updating g-p-m ... but I've never had it flicker20:51
AmaranthPop up a notification every time or don't show anything and play a little sound or something20:51
bruce89Amaranth: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/2.24.2-2ubuntu1/+changelog20:51
Amaranthbruce89: I'm aware of the changes20:51
fdeAmaranth: you can set it to stay there....20:51
fdeAmaranth: there is a check box in System > Preferences > Power Management to have it show it always20:52
Amaranthfde: I know, I set that first thing after install20:52
MamboKurthey there. anybody else noticed, that the repositories are "broken". and by broken i mean that evolution-common (2.25.91-0ubuntu1) isn't the but evolution-common (2.25.90-0ubuntu1). at least at the german repo. i head to switch to the main repo to get the update-manager to install the updates and not pointing at me and shouting "you killed ubuntu" :)20:52
bruce89that notification shouldn't be a dialogue though, bug time20:52
AmaranthMamboKurt: Not broken, mirror is a little out of sync20:53
MamboKurtok20:53
MamboKurtjust wanted to tell somebody20:53
AmaranthMamboKurt: It just needs to update, wait an hour or so20:53
MamboKurtAmarath: i was waiting 5h before i switched20:53
fdeMamboKurt: to avoid it becoming annoying... just use sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ... then such things will simply be held back rather than displaying an error20:54
billybigriggersavvas, cool beans, thanks alot20:54
savvasnp :)20:54
savvasbillybigrigger: be sure to check the adobe site frequently to be sure you have the latest 64-bit though: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html20:55
AmaranthMamboKurt: In that case perhaps your mirror is broken20:55
fdeWhy aren't they packaging the 64bit version in jaunty?20:55
fdeThey packaged 10 before it was released on 38620:56
MamboKurtfde: i know, but the update-manager told me something about resolve and so, and i had a little red failure sign on my systray.20:56
MamboKurtAmaranth: its the official german repo20:56
fdeMamboKurt: yeah, the update-manager does some goofy things when dealing with pre-release versions...20:56
fdeMamboKurt: umm, that is just a pointer to another mirror20:57
mvoMamboKurt: do you remember what exact message there was in the red failure sign?20:57
fdeIf Ubuntu actually tried to serve everyone that didn't bother switching mirror, they would be slashdotted constantly20:57
fdemvo: probably evolution not being installable20:58
MamboKurtmvo: not exactly. i could try to reproduce it20:58
fdeMamboKurt: don't bother unless its still there next update20:58
MamboKurtfde: doesn't work: http://ge.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/evolution/evolution-common_2.25.91-0ubuntu1_all.deb20:58
fdeMamboKurt: also, System > Administration > Software Sources ... change mirror to something faster maybe?20:58
mvothanks, it should not show the red error in this case, that is just used when something on the local system is not ok20:58
fdeMamboKurt: mvo: as was stated, the mirror just hasn't synced yet20:59
MamboKurtfde: switched to main server20:59
fdemvo: yes it should... because errors were encountered trying to update a package20:59
MamboKurtfde: but the other evolution packages where already .9121:00
fdeMamboKurt: so they're in the process of syncing  :/21:00
fdeMamboKurt: run sudo aptitude update in like an hour as was stated21:00
MamboKurtfde: 5h and evolution does not have all packages the same version?21:01
MamboKurtfde: i already switched21:01
fdeMamboKurt: welcome to the world of beta distros21:01
fdeIf such things aren't satisfactory, go back to stable  :/21:01
MamboKurtfde: alpha :)21:01
MamboKurtfde: i crashed my system and i thought it was a good time to switch21:02
tretleis there a channel for packaging?21:08
Pici!newpackage21:09
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports21:09
Picitretle: also, #ubuntu-motu21:10
billybigriggeranyone here use audacious?21:10
billybigriggerwhen i open an mp3 audacious loads but doesn't play the song, it loads in the playlist, pressing start does nothing21:10
billybigriggeris there another audio player like audacious around? vlc does the job, but looks ugly21:10
Amaranthnope, audacious is the only music player we have21:13
Amaranththe rest are somewhat broken music managers21:13
Amaranthwell, they're basically music players that look like music managers but yeah21:13
macobillybigrigger: by which Amaranth means iTunes-y things21:14
AmaranthiTunes is still the best music player/manager in existence :P21:14
MamboKurti have a small question. there is an update for ubuntu-desktop, but it would deinstall notification-daemon and install alsdorf. my question is: what is alsdorf and would it be good to update ubuntu-desktop?21:14
* Amaranth wants Party Shuffle and live updating Smart Playlists21:15
AmaranthMamboKurt: alsdorf is the new notification-daemon from the Design Team21:15
AmaranthBlack, translucent, no links or buttons allowed21:15
MamboKurtand it would be good to have it because it really kicks ass?21:16
Amaranthwell, it looks pretty21:16
MamboKurtis it opengl?21:16
Amaranthno...21:16
MamboKurtbecause of translucency...21:16
AmaranthOh, no21:17
AmaranthYou can do translucent things without opengl, you're thinking of compiz21:17
MamboKurtisn't compiz opengl too?21:17
Amaranthcompiz is a compositor (which is what allows you do to transparent things) that uses opengl21:17
Amaranthyou can have a compositor that uses XRender (metacity) and still get translucent windows and shadows21:17
MamboKurtthats what i ment21:17
MamboKurtand xrender doesnt utilize opengl21:18
MamboKurt?21:18
Amaranthand the app that uses translucent windows doesn't have to be OpenGL at all, it just has to use RGBA colors (mostly)21:18
Amaranthnope21:18
AmaranthXRender can be done completely in software although most video card drivers accelerate parts of it21:19
AmaranthBut unless you have a sub-1Ghz processor even doing it in software should be fine21:19
MamboKurtthis sounds good, but doesnt this make your cpu heat up like hell?21:19
AmaranthNo, not really21:19
AmaranthAnd if you don't use a compositor the notification will just not have rounded corners or be translucent21:20
MamboKurtthanks for your patience. i will give it a trie21:20
MamboKurttry21:20
SwedeMikethere has been a lot more breakage the past two weeks than the first month I ran jaunty, now my wireless is broken every few times I boot, the two latest kernel revisions -7 and -8 seem to be flakey when it comes to that21:22
SwedeMikeI thought it would be more stable as we approached beta?21:23
billybigriggerAmaranth, maco figured out the audacious problem, was trying to use pulse21:24
billybigriggercan i ask a question thats probably been asked/discussed 1,000,000 times, but why is pulse audio inluded in ubuntu? imo its junk, and never works21:25
billybigriggeralsa has always worked for me, why try and change something that works?21:25
AmaranthSwedeMike: Feature Freeze is approaching, everything is being jammed in before the freeze21:25
AmaranthIt then gets fixed afterward21:25
RAOFbillybigrigger: Because pulseaudio allows things to work better.21:27
billybigriggerlike what?21:27
SwedeMikeAmaranth: check.21:27
RAOFIn particular, hotplugging audio devices.21:27
billybigriggeri've never had anything work correctly with pulse21:27
RAOFbillybigrigger: Then you haven't tried in the right way :)21:27
billybigriggerobviously not21:28
billybigriggermaybe it should setup properly out of the box21:28
RAOFAs it's set up in Jaunty, it is.21:28
MamboKurtalsdorf just shows me some stupid window instead of an cool notification21:28
AmaranthWithout pulseaudio when you plug in a USB headset you have to close all apps using audio and reconfigure them21:28
billybigriggerwell i have to disable pulseaudio sounds in pidgin because it kept crashing pidgin when i send a message21:28
AmaranthOr at least close them, I think it may reconfigure automatically21:28
AmaranthWith pulseaudio it just transfers audio to the headset on-the-fly21:29
billybigriggerwell ill just stick to alsa21:29
billybigriggerpulseaudio is junk in my books21:29
RAOFIt certainly has some problems.  But it can do some things that are really useful that alsa just can't.21:30
macoRAOF: well, alsa *can* ....via very manual means with lots of Black Magic21:30
RAOFmaco: alsa can transparently switch physical devices under an application's nose?21:31
macoRAOF: dtchen said that most of what pulseaudio makes easy is possible otherwise, but only if you know the audio stack almost as well as he does :P21:32
maco(that's major paraphrasing)21:32
RAOFYou can write a layer _above_ also which does that; phonon is (in part) an example of that layer.21:32
fdeRAOF: Phonon and PulseAudio aren't even closely related... Phonon is an API providing media functionality to developers, it is more similar to Gstreamer21:36
macohe did say it's possible to to move a stream from one device to another while it's playing21:36
macohe did not say *how* and i think my eyes would've glazed over if he'd tried to explain it21:36
fdeRAOF: Phonon can then use PulseAudio if you're retarded, but its better to just use dmix21:36
RAOFfde: The GStreamer-like part of phonon is boring.  The interesting part of Phonon is the "handle device hotplug" part, which _is_ like pulseaudio.21:37
fdePulse is pretty much the worst thing to happen to Linux in the 12+ years I've been using it.21:37
macofde: phonon-through-pulse will likely be what happens to a lot of us that have kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed but are using KDE in the next few days21:37
fdeRAOF: boring? it is the only interesting part21:37
RAOFfde: What's interesting about it?21:38
macopulseaudio is being set to autospawn to get rid of all the weird timing stuff that happens when gnome starts and the login sounds play and if pulseaudio has/hasn't started different things happen21:38
fdeRAOF: ease of development... it is a very powerful API... you can add media functionality to any Qt app with like 10 lines of code.21:38
_VIM_After getting the updates i get "greeter application crashed, attempting to use a different one" or something, what is this? was working fine till i updated it21:38
RAOFfde: That's not a huge amount more code than just using raw gstreamer.21:39
ali1234pulse is going to autospawn? but i like being able to pulseaudio -k to run software that hates pulse...21:39
RAOFfde: Until I tried KDE 4.2 I didn't see why phonon existed.  Once I saw that it handled device hotplug, it was obvious that it was more than just a gstreamer abstraction layer, and it made more sense.21:40
Geek`N`ProudRAOF: abstraction layer for Xine too :P21:40
fdeRAOF: you're kidding? I'm not talking about just being able to play a sound or something btw... I'm talking about an entire media player in 10 lines of code......21:40
Geek`N`Proudit handles loads of multimedia-related stuff21:40
AmaranthRAOF: That's solid, actually21:41
fdeRAOF: you sure? Pretty sure Solid does that21:41
RAOFfde: The transfer-of-running-streams-to-policy stuff?21:41
AmaranthRAOF: phonon is still useless other than talking to solid for you21:41
RAOFI take it back.  I don't understand why Phonon, then :)21:41
fdeRAOF: the point of Phonon is the clean up the sound situation on KDE systems... now every KDE app just uses Phonon, and lets the user choose backend etc21:42
ali1234fde: "x in 10 lines of code" argument is stupid. i can code an entire media player in 1 line of shell script: mplayer $121:42
RAOFfde: Contrast that with: "The point of GStreamer is to clean up the sound situation on KDE systems.  Now every KDE app uses just GStreamer"21:42
Amaranthfde: It actually only exists because they got burned with arts and were afraid gstreamer's ABI would change before KDE 521:42
RAOFfde: I really don't see where 'woo!  You can drop in xine!' gains you a huge amount.21:43
fdeali1234: now embed that into your cool new web browser that consists of 100 lines of code in all (via webkit and phonon)21:43
_VIM_After getting the updates i get "greeter application crashed, attempting to use a different one" or something, what is this? was working fine till i updated it21:43
Amaranthfde: And you get a web browser that doesn't do history or bookmarks combined with a media player that doesn't do anything21:43
fdeAmaranth: umm, not really... the discussions I read related more to the complexity of gstreamer, and the possibilities to do better... fwiw, I believe gstreamer was the first completed backend for phonon (bask when it was still kmm or whatever)21:44
AmaranthIt was, yes21:45
AmaranthBut they could have made a gstmm library or something21:45
Amaranthphonon exists to abstract the gst ABI out so they can switch to gst 0.12 or some other framework later if gst 0.10 goes away21:45
fdeAmaranth: bad example... but still, it would be able to play that microsofts streaming protocol better than gstreamer currently does if you chose xine as the backend21:46
AmaranthOtherwise gst works on OS X and Windows and the Xine part was a side effect of creating Phonon the way they did, not something they planned21:46
fdeAmaranth: well, in part... it also abstracts xine atm... and can be used for anything related really (still waiting on an mplayer backend)21:47
ali1234fde: did it ever occur to kde people that i might want to use a different backend in different programs?21:47
ali1234for example in web browser, i am more interested in the formats that commonly occur on webpages21:47
RAOFHow about a different backend for each stream of a program!21:47
AmaranthEh? You can't do that in GNOME either21:47
ali1234while in a video editor i want whatever backend works best with dv21:48
fdeali1234: so you think its fair to have users install 10 backends just because you can't decide as a developer which to use?21:48
AmaranthYour choices are gstreamer, gstreamer, or a non-GNOME app that probably uses gstreamer (except for gxine and mplayer)21:48
ali1234as a users i *have* to use all of them because they all have different strengths and weaknesses21:48
Amaranthali1234: The solution is to make one of them not suck21:48
RAOFMiro still uses xine by default.  For Jaunty+1 it won't, though.21:48
ali1234lol21:48
ali1234Amaranth: which one though? ;)21:48
fdeAmaranth: umm... there are currently 3 backends to phonon... gstreamer sucks still, so your real choices are xine or yaurt or whatever21:48
Amaranthali1234: gstreamer, of course21:49
fdeAmaranth: point of Phonon is that the app doesn't choose anymore for you... the devs just use phonon21:49
Amaranthfde: I haven't seen a file that doesn't play in gstreamer in a long time21:49
RAOFfde: To be fair, it's the gstreamer phonon backend that sucks, not gstreamer21:49
AmaranthThere are still some problems with streaming media but mplayer doesn't handle most of those any better21:50
RAOFAnd this is one reason why Phonon is a bad idea: by introducing your abstraction layer, you introduce more bugs!@21:50
fdeAmaranth: try an mms stream? try any codec newer than about 4 years21:50
Amaranthfde: What codec is newer than 4 years?21:50
ali1234if i ever want to play a video file i try mplayer first, then vlc. i don't even bother trying totem or whatever, it literally never works21:50
fdeRAOF: Well, except that you now know where the bug is... and once you fix it once, everything automatically benefits21:51
RAOFali1234: You're either trying an entirely separate set of a/v files than me, or haven't tried totem in ages.21:51
AmaranthI think it still has problems with subtitles but I don't watch anime so...21:51
ali1234totem is also far far slower than the others21:52
fdeali1234: you expect different results from mplayer and vlc? then you're doing it wrong... vlc uses libdvdcss and ffmpeg ... just get rid of that sludge and use the codecs in a better interface21:52
Amaranthfde: gstreamer uses libdvdcss and ffmpeg too21:52
RAOFfde: What?  That's entirely backward.  You now _don't_ know whether the bug is in gstreamer or in Phonon's gstreamer backend.21:52
fdeali1234: totem has a few backends available... try the xine one?21:53
fdeAmaranth: gstreamer sucks21:53
fdeRAOF: yes you do... its in the phonon backend if its a playback bug....21:53
Amaranthfde: Try using GNOME for a week instead of KDE and see if your problem is phonon or gstreamer21:53
RAOFfde: But what if the bug is in gstreamer?21:54
AmaranthI literally have not seen a problem with any files on my disk in over a year21:54
AmaranthI have seen a couple files vlc chokes on that totem-gstreamer handles fine though21:54
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fdeAmaranth: I have used Gnome for something like 3 years now... and am royally sick of the media stack here... I have tried KDE4 a few times, and it is much cleaner in this respect... I am likely going back to Arch soon, but I switched back to Ubuntu due to ext4 support not being around yet for Arch at that time21:55
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ali1234totem cannot handle mpeg2-ts recorded by my mythtv box21:56
fdeAmaranth: only issue I have with KDE is using Firefox and a KDE based media player... tends to lack plugins21:56
AmaranthBesides, despite any problems with codec support the gstreamer framework is technically superior compared to xine so...21:56
fdeali1234: gstreamer* ... like I said, 'sudo aptitude install totem-xine && sudo aptitude purge totem-gstreamer'21:57
fdeali1234: it isn't totems fault, totem is just a collection of pretty pictures and buttons21:57
ali1234xine is no better21:57
fdeI'm just saying VLC doesn't do anything special... its just a crap frontend on top of the work done over at mplayer-hq21:58
ali1234gstreamer sucks, xine sucks, totem is ugly, the new qt gui of vlc is *very* ugly... mplayer is currently the best video player for linux21:58
Amaranthfde: and mplayer is a crap frontend on top of ffmpeg21:58
Amaranthand ffmpeg never does a damn release so every project is using a different version21:58
RAOFAnd wouldn't it be nice if ffmpeg wasn't user-hostile21:58
Amaranthso vlc is doing something special, it is using a different snapshot of ffmpeg21:59
Amaranthnewer, older, whatever, it may not have a bug one of the other ones has21:59
Skiessiis libsamplerate staying at 0.1.4 for jaunty?21:59
fdeAmaranth: mplayer is a frontend to the plethora of codecs I have around... of which ffmpeg happens to be one21:59
Amaranthfde: The only other thing it could be a frontend for is w32codecs22:00
fdeAmaranth: and libdvdcss ... yes22:00
AmaranthAnd those aren't even needed and are really illegal so...22:00
RAOFlibdvdcss not being in any way a codec, of course.22:00
fdeHow are they illegal? I was forced to buy them when I purchased a system that had Windows installed  :/22:00
Amaranthfde: You aren't allowed to use them outside of windows22:01
RAOFYou don't have the right to make copies into RAM22:01
Amaranthfde: and a bunch of them aren't included with windows22:01
AmaranthRAOF: Actually US Copyright law has an exception for that22:01
AmaranthRAOF: You aussies might be screwed though :P22:01
AmaranthEssentially the exception says if the software is only useful being copied into RAM it isn't illegal22:02
RAOFAmaranth: Really?  The recent Blizzard-vs-Glider case suggested that the copy of WoW in RAM was infringing copyright once the user broke the EULA.22:02
AmaranthRAOF: Yeah well judges do tend to ignore the law22:02
fdeAmaranth: anyway, I've been using them for like 12 years, and haven't been sued yet... I also didn't agree to the license terms, but I did pay for the software22:02
RAOFfde: If you didn't agree to the license terms, then you don't have a license to use them.22:03
Amaranthfde: If you pay for it but don't accept the agreement your only option is to return the software, not use it anyway22:03
RAOFYou should ask for your money back ):22:03
fdeRAOF: *shrug* then they shouldn't have left them on my system when Windows started up....22:03
RAOFBy starting windows you've agreed to the license terms :)22:03
Amaranthfde: So you accepted the windows and/or OEM license agreement22:03
fdeRAOF: I did actually, but it had been too long apparently22:03
fdeAmaranth: pre-installed system... I was never prompted...22:04
Amaranthfde: You opened the box22:05
fdeAmaranth: so?22:05
Amaranthooh pepsi is going to use real sugar again22:05
RAOFBy opening the box you agree to this EULA.22:05
fdeAmaranth: If that covered it, why are there even EULA's and the like? If just using the software is enough, they shouldn't even bother creating them...22:05
Amaranthoops, wrong channel22:05
RAOFfde: Because they need to enumerate the rights that they're giving you.22:06
fdeWhy do they require user interaction if just turning the machine on means I'm obligated?22:06
RAOFOtherwise, it'd be copyright infringement.22:06
* DanaG thinks it should be illegal to use ALL CAPS IN DOCUMENTS.22:07
DanaGIf nothing else, they should use small caps.22:07
fdeYou can get your money back if you can provide evidence that you never agreed to the terms... so clearly it isn't required to sign them....22:07
fdeRAOF: also, its not like its Microsofts to charge me... they license the stuff themselves22:08
DanaGrandom question: does anyone actually USE FreeDOS?22:08
fdeDanaG: I have via dosbox for some old games?22:08
RAOFThey license the patents; (at least some of) the code is theirs, I guess.22:08
DanaGfreedos ≠ dosbox22:08
ali1234DanaG: i think one of the HD manufacturer's diagnosis tool comes on a disk image with freedos to boot. but i forgot which one22:09
fdeDanaG: ahh, I meant dosemu22:10
DanaGSome BIOS update disk images use freedos.22:10
DanaGBut that's not the same as "using" the OS, as people used to use it in the old days.22:10
ali1234maybe somebody out there is using it to run some legacy app22:10
ali1234i doubt anybody uses it as their main OS just because they love DOS so much. except perhaps the author.22:11
macohah22:11
fdeDanaG: shouldn't really matter afaik... I have heard of people updating their BIOS via dosemu22:11
Amaranthfde: Those guys are crazy22:12
fdeAmaranth: indeed... lol... but afaik it worked22:13
DanaGAnyone else have notification bubbles suddenly replaced by actual dialog boxes?22:36
DanaGI'd call that a major regression.22:36
DanaGoh wait, that's just pidgin.22:38
Geek`N`ProudDanaG: Pidgin is on it's way out22:38
DanaGapparently if notification daemon isn't running, it switches to dialogs.22:38
Geek`N`Proud9.10 will probably see Empathy as the default22:38
DanaGUgh, say hello to unconfigurable things.22:38
DanaGAnd inability to share the log files with Windows Pidgin.22:39
AmaranthDanaG: Anything that uses buttons in notifications is being switched to dialogs22:39
Geek`N`Proudtofrodos can sort that Dana22:39
Amaranthand/or having the notifications removed22:39
Geek`N`Proudunix2dos will let you share logs22:39
Geek`N`Proud=]22:39
DanaGUgh, dialogs suck -- they're ugly.22:40
DanaGIt's not a DOS-Windows thing, it's a Pidgin-Empathy thing.22:40
DanaGI'd imagine Empathy does logging differently.22:40
DanaGOh, and it appears in the top right... even though it's set to bottom right.22:42
DanaGVolume thingy also isn't working.22:42
DanaGEr, not displaying anything.22:42
DanaG** (notify-osd:18474): CRITICAL **: load_icon: assertion `info' failed22:42
DanaG** (notify-osd:18474): CRITICAL **: load_icon: assertion `info' failed22:42
DanaG... and so on.22:42
Geek`N`Proudhmm that sucks22:43
bardyrHey, i cant start the gnome greater application, is there a known bug? and fix??22:44
DanaGOh, I hit the volume key... and this time I got an empty black rectangle.22:47
DanaGThaaaaanks.22:47
* DanaG wants the old notification daemon back!22:48
bardyrDanaG: yea22:49
bardyrDanaG: even trough i havent seen the new, but i will miss my buttons22:49
AmaranthDanaG: It was pushed in to make feature freeze, bug fixing comes later22:50
DanaGbeing ugly is not quite a bug, though.22:51
DanaGAnd what's with the fixed black color?  It ignores my color theme -- and clashes wildly.22:52
* cwillu ponders the existence of a colour that clashes with black22:52
* charlie-tca is sure there must be one?22:53
DanaGWell, check out my theme.22:53
* cwillu is sure there isn't an opposite to black any more than there is an opposite to the origin of a graph22:54
DanaGwww.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png22:54
DanaGIn case you're wondering... I used the color picker to grab a color from the wallpaper, for the primary color of the theme.22:55
DanaGBlack clashes with that.22:56
DanaGMmm, big empty black rounded rectangle.23:04
nazgulI'd like to read up how startup time was reduced in jaunty- it went down noticably! :) however I could not google up notes on what was done.23:05
nazgulcan someone point me?23:05
burnierHi, I wanted to install wicd from a deb and ended up removing the plamoid network manager so now I have no internet to install wicd dependencies or installing the plasmoid back... Anyone knows a quick solution?23:08
nazgulburnier: a)borrow a laptop that can connect, and let it act as a route. link your box to it with a LAN cable.23:10
nazgulb) download deb packages manually and put them into /var/cache/apt/archives23:11
joumetalnazgul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/BootPerformance23:16
fdeburnier: sudo ifup eth0 should give you terminal internet access again23:18
nazguljoumetal: thanks23:19
fdewait, that came out wrong... it should allow you to connect to the network via at least your terminal23:20
fdeas apposed to internet access that can kill you23:20

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