[00:00] terminal based? I don't know about that... [00:00] then you're not serious about irc and should choose something else. [00:00] rolf lol serious about irc? or ADDICTED to irc haha [00:00] Voltron_: If that server's always on, then you can use screen+irssi to make an awesome always-on IRC client. [00:00] !smuxi [00:00] Sorry, I don't know anything about smuxi [00:00] who in their right mind opens 330 irc windows? [00:01] billybigrigger: just because you dont understand doesnt mean you should insult people who do. [00:01] So I would install irssi on my server and then ssh into the server? [00:02] I have X forwarding enabled for sshd already [00:02] irssi isn't X based. [00:02] SwedeMike, totally not an insult [00:02] i used to be addicted to irc [00:03] never 100+ windows but many [00:03] billybigrigger: it has nothing to do about addiction. It's like saying someone with 100 RSS feeds isnt of right mind. [00:03] im just saying you must spend a hell of alot of time on irc to have even more than 100 windows open [00:04] why? [00:04] and defensiveness is a sign of addiction...just pointing that out :P [00:04] I dont spend a hell of lot of time [00:04] just because I am on a lot of channels doesnt mean I read them all [00:04] well it must take you a good hour to open up 330 windows [00:04] open? I never shut them down. [00:04] haha ok, this is getting out of hand man, i wasn't making fun OF you [00:04] just making a joke [00:04] and they open automatically when someone msg:s me etc [00:05] i get it, im just bugging you [00:05] sorry if i offended you [00:05] you didnt. [00:06] good, i hoped i didnt [00:06] some people get offended easy, you never know [00:06] I've been on irc since 1993 and I've been an irc server admin for 4-5 of those, my skin is quite thick when it comes to people saying thing to me. [00:07] things [00:09] now that i think of it, me too [00:09] about 94 for me [00:10] since i was like 12 or 13 [00:10] wait no longer than that [00:10] bah whatever [00:11] * billybigrigger finds it funny how the most downloaded gtk/compiz themes look like they belong on the next M$ OS [00:12] on gnome-look anyway [00:12] and can't find a good looking set of icons for the life of me [00:14] xorg eating 30 % of memory after recent upgrade ? [00:15] 3501 root 20 0 212m 82m 13m S 2 4.4 1:51.01 Xorg [00:15] not here [00:15] 4.4% [00:15] 3665 root 20 0 1243m 850m 22m S 4 29.8 7:58.51 Xorg [00:16] that's a lot [00:16] i'd say [00:16] I may need to restart X [00:16] brb' [00:19] how do I use the intel framebuffer library intelfb [00:19] I tried adding video=intelfb:mode=1280x800@16-60 to my grubmenu.lst [00:19] but I got "Video mode must be programmed at boot time" [00:20] is that how you are to use it? I can't find the docs [00:44] on my Jaunty setup, using speedtest.net I get 3000kbps download speed. On my wifes Vista laptop, she gets 19340kbps. Is JauntyWhat could be acausing the problem? [00:44] J/W What happened to packaging CNR with ubuntu? (wasn't it suppose to come in 8.04 or 8.10?) [00:44] What could be causing the problem* [00:45] Gah freespire [00:45] genii, i remember reading that it was going to be packaged no? [00:46] FFForever: There seemed to be something on it maybe a year ago or more. But I don't think it got embraced by the *buntu community [00:48] genii, ahhh, i forgot about it and then i saw it on another distro and im like hmm..... [00:52] does mark ever come in here? [00:56] * genii looks around for sabdfl [00:56] or so [01:00] [01:08] my upload using Jaunty is way faster than my wife on her Vista machine, but the download is 1/4 the speed [01:08] Maybe she's hogging all the bandwidth [01:09] she is just checking her gmail right now though [01:09] I just had her run the speedtest.net test and she got almost 20000kbps [01:09] I get 5000kbps [01:10] ping times are WAY higher on my machine too, sometimes the network connection just drops randomly also [01:10] I attempted to tune my TCP settings but that made no difference so I just went back to the defaults [01:27] can anyone verify that the latest update of uswsusp breaks s2disk/s2both? (segfaults when run) [01:28] how is the dev going? [01:42] does anyone else have problems with pulseaudio? [01:42] or is it just me? [01:42] i find my audio in 9.04 is pretty low [01:42] with speakers maxed out and every volume switch i can find maxed aswell [01:43] sometimes, it slows my whole system down for a few seconds.. when i open gnome-system-monitor, i see pulseaudio taking up most of the CPU [01:43] If I'm doing a script for running at login and only want affected user to be able to execute it, should I change group to users group (1000) and have no executability for root and group only? [01:44] *Have executability for... [02:12] Is there anyone currently testing Jaunty on a Dell Mini 12? [02:13] If not, I have one and can volunteer [03:04] JOIN #ubuntu+1 [03:40] <_VIM_> Hi, anyone else having probs getting guest addtions working in vbox? Host is Ubuntu 8.04 desktop, and guest is Ubuntu 9.04 ... I installed the kernel-source and headers or whatever but still wont let me install guest additions [03:42] is the firefox not working, not 3.0 or 3.1, bug known yet? [03:43] not sure if i should report it or not. can't find the place to report bugs, or any reference to it. [03:43] can't ^ [03:45] yesyes: Firefox works here; https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs is where you'll be looking for the bugs. [03:46] is your version the latest version in the repo? [03:46] jaunty obv. [03:47] Okay, I am in dependency hell with the latest gnome packages update... HELP! [03:48] Um, is there anybody out there? [03:49] A little help would greatly be appreciated [03:50] Okay, Is anyone awake? Coherent? ALIVE! [03:50] Yes. [03:50] But it's only been 3 minutes since you first spoke, and dependency issues are fairly common in a development release. [03:51] Okay, thank you... when will this be fixed... I am running on pure GTK right now... Gnome is dead for me... [03:51] Generally the solution is to wait until everything has been built, and then it'll work. Until you can update without removing anything, don't update. [03:51] Thanks, that is a good rule of thumb [03:51] th3raid0r: what happened? [03:52] I have never been in a developement branch before... [03:53] RAOF, what version does sudo dpkg -l firefox-3.0 output? [03:53] i'm on 3.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 [03:53] Oh, nothing much... A recent update put me in dependency hell with gnome panel and other essential gnome parts... It affects XFCE as well... which is odd... so right now I am running on pure GTK... Now I just patiently wait... [03:53] yesyes: Yup; that's my version. [03:54] hmm. there has to be a problem my end then. [03:54] odd. [03:54] <_VIM_> Hi, anyone else having probs getting guest addtions working in vbox? Host is Ubuntu 8.04 desktop, and guest is Ubuntu 9.04 ... I installed the kernel-source and headers or whatever but still wont let me install guest additions [03:54] Hm. He disappears before I can say that there's nothing wrong _here_ :) [03:55] is there anything more i have to do to go from alpha 3 to 4 except apt-get update/upgrade? [03:55] perhaps that's the problem. although everything else works fine. [03:55] Hmm... this is odd... I have a new error... [03:55] yesyes: yes [03:56] What does this mean? sudo dpkg --configure -a [03:56] dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 31775 package `lsof': [03:56] EOF after field name `Descr' [03:56] EOF = End Of File usually [03:57] th3raid0r: maybe it got corrupted? [03:57] is there an app that is like a service nanny? basically restarts/starts services that crashed? [03:58] Yes, most likely, but how would I go about fixing it? [03:58] danbhfive, do you mean i have to use update-manager to go from alpha 3 to 4? and i cannot simply use apt-get upgrade? [03:58] yesyes: apt-get dist-upgrade should work, I think [03:59] th3raid0r: just a guess, but maybe force remove the package, clear your package cache, then reinstall [03:59] Thank you, I will give that a try [03:59] try using aptitude instead [03:59] thanks dan. [04:00] it won't help but I'm ocd about using aptitude [04:00] th3raid0r: That means that your dpkg database is corrupted. This is bad. Hopefull runing "apt-get update" will refresh the available cache. [04:00] I have tried that before... [04:00] hmmm [04:01] consult the debian docs prolly [04:01] there should be help for that [04:01] Eh, I will back up and reinstall... [04:01] thats what i did before i was good enough to wing things [04:02] I just don't feel like fixing it... [04:03] I was thinking about rebuilding dpkg from source but nah [04:03] i could have sworn that I saw something for what I mentioned earlier, no ideas? [04:04] akio: /etc/init.d? [04:04] yep [04:05] It is much easier and quicker to reinstall [04:05] you want something that manages it? [04:05] basically if mysql craps out it restarts it [04:05] i work at a webhosting company and i could have sworn that there was a thing to just keep services alive after crashes [04:06] even though its wrong [04:07] like imapd [04:07] apache [07:13] moin [07:16] is it possible to activate restricted drivers from a console? [07:20] hi there, got a strange thing going on with my /home partition under jaunty alpha+ dist-uprades. first of all i have 3 ext4 partitions on 2 different drives /dev/sda1=/boot(active), /dev/sda6=/home and /dev/sdb2=/. so the problem does not directly after boot because for some minutes all goes right. but after some time, even when i do nothing, my /home partition because write-protected [07:21] it was /dev/sdb1=/ [07:22] may a fsck.ext -fcy can repair it? [07:24] sry for my bad english it should me "becomes write-protected" :X [07:26] brb [08:07] Sergeant_Pony: you can install it with apt-get [08:16] Im getting some repos being unable to connect this morning, anyone else having that issue? [08:20] looks like somethings up with the .fi archive. meh, Ill use the main one for a bit [08:27] jussi01: I am using gb. arechive without any problem [08:29] scizzo-: yeah, seems .fi had issues, main repo is fine [09:22] I have to say, I'm pleasantly suprised at how much better Jaunty runs compared to Intrepid. HD videos, which used to stutter alot in Intrepid, are seamless and play almost perfectly. [09:23] The dshow coreavc with mplayer works great now. [09:24] EXA in my R300 Ati driver is much more stable now, but still too unstable. Luckily, XAA seems to be much faster now, so it's not as annoying as it was before. [09:26] If they can hammer out the EXA issues in the ATI driver, than I can probably call this best version of Ubuntu yet. [09:57] was there a net split or someting what happened in #ubuntu? === Blue-Omega is now known as Guest38286 [09:57] histo: netsplit is always server wide, so also in this channel ;) [09:57] Well I don't see them because i'm set to ignore everything. === Guest38286 is now known as Blue-Omega [10:02] hi everybody. the ram usage of jaunty on my computer is growing :( it's at 1.5GB atm, and i only have a couple of programs running :( [10:04] how do i find out what's using the memory? according to conky, X is using 888 MB [10:04] howlingmadhowie: top or ps ? [10:05] i had a look, but nothing seems to be using more than 2 or 3 percent (apart from firefox) [10:05] if you relaunch ff? [10:05] i'll shut firefox and see what happers [10:05] happens :) [10:06] and what do you meean by ram usage exacly? [10:06] oh, that freed 330MB according to conky [10:06] by ram i mean that top tells me that (now) 1136552k is used [10:08] oh, interesting. when i don't do anything, the number stays the same in top. maybe it really is just firefox [10:09] last night, after the computer had been running for 12 hours, it had filled up all my ram (3GB) and the mouse was slow. shutting firefox freed about half a gig [10:10] howlingmadhowie: i dont know what conky is (and i think its not the right instrument to get information about your pc ;) ) [10:11] conky just shows some stuff about the X server [10:11] howlingmadhowie, don't you have swap ? [10:11] i have 4 Gig swap [10:12] is it in use right now ? [10:12] cause 1.5 gb is huge [10:12] nope. swap is empty [10:12] i don't have swap and i'm at 800/900 with xchat+trans+ff+ other stuff [10:12] ok then there must be a bug, it may not be able to use the swap for some reason [10:12] that's why your ram grows so much imho [10:13] i blame flash :-D [10:13] but then i always blame flash :-D [10:14] i wonder who jetty is. let me see what google has to say about that [10:14] unless the machine starts swaping the mem usage is not that often any big problem [10:14] it can be cached memory that is being used [10:17] yesterday it really did start to slow down :( [10:19] oh i see a problem. i installed netbeans6.1 and it's installed a java servlet engine which gets started automatically. === JanC_ is now known as JanC [10:21] * howlingmadhowie will remove netbeans :-D [10:32] good morning everyone [10:32] how's our beloved jakalope threating you today? [10:37] that good enh !? eheh [10:48] oh manno! tragoedie! ich habe wrestling noch nicht downloadet! [10:48] sorry! wrong window! [10:53] in firefox kubuntu 9.04 alpha 4 i have no sound with flash [10:53] howlingmadhowie: it would seem soo ehehe [10:53] smeg0l: humm if it was gnome I would say PA [10:54] but kde uses plone [10:54] I don't know enough about it... [10:54] okay [10:54] maybe some else here can point it out [10:54] are there any bugs on LP about it? [10:54] dunno [10:55] i will check [10:55] go and search... [10:55] and let us know [10:55] yes [11:01] i don't find it to be reported in launchpad [11:01] Is there a GUI widget to turn off the new update-manager auto-launch, or do I dive into gconf-editor? [11:25] Can somebody tell me what nice level their pulseaudio is running at, please? [11:26] Mine starts up at 0 and I'm getting stuttering but I saw somebody in the forums had -11 by default... Wondering if mine or theirs is incorrect [11:28] 0 here [11:31] Oli``: you mean that the sound starts to jump a little at certain points? [11:31] BUGabundo, i have reported it on lp [11:31] scizzo-: yup [11:31] scizzo-: and it can't hold sync with videos [11:31] Oli``: I have that also [11:32] Oli``: not really sure but I believe it might be a known problem [11:32] scizzo-: what's your PA's nice value (out of interest)? [11:33] Oli``: can't see that from here..... [11:39] Oli``: did you read the email sent to devel discuss? [11:40] BUGabundo: no, I've not seen it [11:44] oh boy. something strange is going on here. total mem used (according to top): almost 2GB. of which X (according to conky): 950 MB [11:52] Oli``: crisum mentioned what to do to workaround that [11:52] let me get the archive link for you [11:53] Oli``: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-February/007108.html [11:53] howlingmadhowie: that's disk cache! [11:54] maxb: unfortunately there is curretnly just the gconf key - you are welcome to give feedback to the design team if you think this is not a good default [11:54] It's a pretty horrendous default if you prefer to use aptitude :-) [11:55] Sorry, it's probably a reasonable to default to shove updates in the face of novice users and make sure they pay attention [11:55] BUGabundo: i hope so. firefox is starting to slow down as well :( [11:56] However, anyone vaguely power-user should be able to turn it off [11:57] BUGabundo: and memory usage in growing at about 400kB per second even when i don't do anything [11:58] maxb: unfortunately there is curretnly just the gconf key - you are welcome to give feedback to the design team if you think this is not a good default [11:58] It's a pretty horrendous default if you prefer to use aptitude :-) [11:58] Sorry, it's probably a reasonable to default to shove updates in the face of novice users and make sure they pay attention [11:58] However, anyone vaguely power-user should be able to turn it off [11:59] howlingmadhowie: you must have a memory leak [11:59] (intall and) run sudo atop 2 [11:59] then press 'm' [11:59] to order by memory and see what's up [11:59] if need, kill it with -9 [11:59] maxb: if you raise your concern in a bugreport or a mail to the mailinglist I will ask the design team to come up with a solution that is fine for both novices and power users. the gconf key exists because a lot of users do not like the new behaviour [12:00] howlingmadhowie: if you have pidign and some player running that could be it [12:00] bugreport on update-manager? -notifer? [12:00] maxb: update-notifieir please [12:00] which mailinglist, ooi? [12:00] BUGabundo: okay, i'll have a look :) [12:01] maxb: ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss should both be fine (maybe the later is a bit better) [12:01] ok, I will u-d-d it and bugreport it [12:02] BUGabundo: mon dieu! firefox has a vsize of 1.0G ! [12:05] maxb: thanks, please let me know the bugnumber so that I can pass it on [12:07] will do, but it'll be in a few hours, need to go back to work now [12:07] okay. i've killed firefox, openoffice, emacs and this strange jetty process and i'm now down to 1.6 GB used of which 1.0GB is cache. [12:08] i think i'll restart X and see what happens [12:30] scizzo-: did you upgrade or do a fresh install? [12:32] hi, i want ext4 in intrepid...how to get the jaunty-kernel working? [12:35] hey all, I tied to install Jaunty a while back and the install breezed through on my MD5 / CD verified media. The first bootup became stuck on checking battery despite it being a desktop system. Is there a fix for this / has this been resolved? [12:51] Oli``: I did a upgrade [12:51] scizzo-: Me too. I suggest adding yourself to the pulse-rt group and restarting. [12:53] Oli``: are you aware of the issue I had above? [12:55] ActionParsnip1: I can only say I haven't run into that problem at all. Did you report it to launchpad? If so, check its status. If not, how do you expect it to be fixed without a bug report? [12:57] Oli``: it was a glancing curiosity but its already been logged [13:01] i'll wait for release, easier too [13:07] i'm trying to install jaunty to test it, but the prob is I don't have any blank cd's, just an external hd... so i used unetbootin to make the second partition bootable, containing the jaunty install cd, but it won't boot from it [13:13] * maxb congratulates the developers of alsdorf on a truly unique package name :-) [13:13] elvirolo: Have you considered using usb-creator? [13:14] maxb : ah ? haven't heard about that, i'll look it up thks [13:14] elvirolo: I unetbootin wouldn't work for me either but the built-in usb creator did [13:15] It's a bit like unetbootin specifically for Ubuntu install cds [13:15] but it does require a USB stick... you can't write to HDs [13:17] looks great [13:17] the problem is I'm using windows right now [13:17] hmmm [13:18] okay long way round... Wubi first... then when you're in Wubi-Ubuntu, burn to USB... and then do your real install... [13:18] BTW, is it possible to use just one single partition on the disk ? the thing is I already have a lot of data on the disk, and i don't want to format it [13:18] Seems a little silly, I have to say [13:20] i'll try and use someone else's ubuntu box [13:20] thanks for the tip anyway :) [14:26] So, this new shiny notification thingy, does it have any configuration? [14:28] or documentation? [14:31] as part of the updates, I just installed alsdorf... I'm trying to find out what the package provides, what it does, etc... But I can't find it on packages.ubuntu.com or in synaptic... [14:31] ah, found it by looking manually in synaptic... search can't find it for some reason [14:32] Oli``: try to use: apt-cache show [14:32] WHOA! [14:32] that was a fancy notification [14:32] scizzo-: say my name again >_< [14:32] Oli``: it's a shame it's no longer in the place I want, nor staying on screen for as long as I want, though :-( [14:33] maxb: my old ones were always on the wrong screen (I use Twinview) so this is an improvement for me... but yeah.. they're a bit fast to go, aren't they?! [14:33] I use twinview too [14:33] they used to appear just in the right place for me to read them [14:34] now they appear where I have to turn my head away from what I'm primarily working on [14:35] Hopefully they'll be configurable [14:36] * maxb senses much bug reporting to do :-( [14:36] the new thing also handles multiple notifications worse than the previous version [14:37] I've not seen that yet [14:40] maxb: maybe there are a bunch of bugs being worked on already [14:40] maxb: its new to ubuntu with the notification stuff so I would not be suprised if there are bugs [14:40] oh yeah... just used notify-send to spam myself... that's not great [14:41] It's a pity there isn't one notification protocol that both KDE and Gnome (and others) could follow and they could each build their systems on top of that so running a KDE app under gnome could still send notifications, etc [14:42] Doesn't sound like a desperately complex thing to begin with but I know some notifications do more than just display a message... [14:50] As of an update sometime yesterday, knetworkmanager will no longer "act" on encrypted wireless networks. [14:50] You can add them, you can click them, but knetworkmanager does nothing. [15:10] hi [15:12] I'd like to know the chances of bug #315704 (sync elisa from debian experimental) to be fixed for jaunty [15:12] Launchpad bug 315704 in elisa "Please sync Elisa 0.5.28-1 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315704 [15:12] yeah, that one [15:13] cool bot, I want the same on #elisa [15:28] guijemont: today is the last day for sync! tomorrow we enter in feature freeze [15:28] you better ask on #ubuntu-archive [15:28] and read up on the wiki what the procedure is [15:29] what's #ubuntu-archive? [15:29] didn't know it existed [15:29] maybe it should be listed there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#Channels [15:30] hmm, actually, there doesn't seem to be any #ubuntu-archive on freenode, am I mistaken? [15:34] BUGabundo: what do you mean by #ubuntu-archive? [15:36] the irc channel [15:36] on freenode? [15:37] doing /join #ubuntu-archive results in a lot of loneliness for me [15:47] humm do a search for it then... I must have some typo on it === Adys_ is now known as Adys [16:17] pidgin crashes every time i send a message to someone on msn, anyone else have this problem? [16:18] actually the other user is using pidgin, just we are both using the msn protocol [16:19] billybigrigger: try to disable all plugins [16:19] its usually one of them [16:20] nautilus integration is the only plugin active, its disabled now [16:20] and try to kill/suspend pulse audio [16:20] brb [16:20] reboot [16:23] <_VIM_> Can someone help me get higher resolution than 800x600 in vbox? I have Jaunty in vbox 1.5.6 === mvo__ is now known as mvo [16:53] so the new notifications landed [16:53] http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4476/screenshotfx9.png [16:54] I have alredy been seen something diff for a while [16:57] tretle, is that your desktop? [16:58] yup [16:58] pretty [16:58] let's see the notifications [16:59] is that with or without compiz-fusion running? [16:59] I sent an email to the guy who made the wallpaper about ubuntu and jaunty's art submission page and hes interested in submitting stuff [16:59] no I have compiz running [17:00] tretle: really big desktop enh !? [17:01] 1080i 15" laptop screen [17:01] :D [17:01] btw does compiz fusion work for you guys? [17:01] when I use it, it always fails to reload [17:01] yup with opensource ati drivers [17:01] not sure if it local or bug [17:02] pastebin the output of compiz [17:02] by the way the new notifications look the exact same minus the transparancy and animations but still has curved angles etc without compositing [17:03] tretle: was it an update, option or ppa ? [17:03] I don't have them look as you [17:03] BUGabundo: fails on start-up but works when I enable it from visual effects [17:03] Oli``: humm looks like me [17:03] its part of the ubuntu-desktop package [17:03] when I choose to get compiz via compizfusion [17:03] * BUGabundo checks for updates [17:04] if its being held back update it from synaptic [17:05] my queue is clean [17:05] BUGabundo: what does ~/.xsession-errors show when you start compiz (or the terminal when you start it from a terminal)? [17:06] I just loose my WM when I start from cli [17:06] if I don't have a terminal at hand, I can't reload it [17:06] :( [17:06] let me look at erros? [17:07] BUGabundo: hm, could you please log into a "failsafe terminal" and run "compiz" there and put the output into a paste.ubuntu.com ? [17:07] sure [17:07] BUGabundo: or just upload your ~/.xsession-errors file [17:07] let me just clean my .xseesion-errors [17:07] (but that probably contains a lot more stuff :) [17:07] and try to run it now! [17:08] mvo: regular Appearance->extra, or can I try compiz fusion [17:09] mvo humm do you do work on UM too, right? [17:09] BUGabundo: yes [17:09] remember that old bug about lines being cut? [17:09] oh, yes [17:09] just got it, right now [17:09] for the first time in months [17:09] it was okay 1 hour ago [17:09] I have seen it too recently, I suspect its a bug with gtk, I don't know what u-m could do to trigger it :/ [17:10] me neither [17:10] any logs around? [17:26] tretle, i've done a dist-upgrade and still having only the two normal themes for popup notifications [17:26] did you do something special? [17:29] go into software sources and make sure that proposed packages are enabled [17:30] ok [17:31] well did that work? [17:31] you should see an update for ubuntu desktop [17:32] ummm nop, still the same [17:33] let's try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop [17:34] tretle: I'm stuck a no updates either [17:38] enable proposed and backports then make sure your doewnloading from the main server and dont forget to refresh update manager after the chages [17:38] * BUGabundo1 checks if ubutnu-desktop ended removed [17:39] LOLOLOLOL [17:39] it was removed [17:39] mvo: didn't UM -d forced to install ubuntu-desktop? [17:39] hummm that reminds me of a bug of a friend of mine [17:40] using ibex xubuntu ended up with Ubuntu jaunty [17:40] not sure its related [17:40] * BUGabundo1 there comes all evo crap [18:22] ups, now i don't have notifications menu [18:22] :-? [18:23] they've replaced it with something else [18:25] apparently a black rectangle is better than a bubble [18:25]