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jribthink it's one person or more ?00:50
naliothjrib: must be a school vacation or something00:51
PriceyIts half term in the UK. That's a us address thuogh.00:51
naliothproxy proxy procy00:52
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ubottuIn ubottu, jacob said: no ops-#ubuntuforums is Help! Compiledkernel p_quarles PmDematagoda Vorian bapoumba zenrox byen frodon KiwiNZ ubuntu_demon Brunellus panickedthumb zenwhen kmandla ubuntugeek TechnoViking bodhizazen HymnToLife jacob macogw jenda jdong PriceChild sdennie Joeb454 Artificial wieman01 sef_d_geek Rocket2DMn!00:55
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jdong*checks his regex for panic-on-ops*00:56
* genii sips01:01
_VIM_might wanna keep watch for this guy, he keeps CTCP flooding the chan, and saying "testing" every few minutes under various nicks...17:13 -!- rvgeelen [n=rvgeelen@dhcp-077-250-188-037.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit]01:14
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Priceyjdong: grant-a ^01:32
nickrudain't he just the one01:32
jdongPricey: you're kidding.01:32
jdongwell have fun01:33
jdonggrant-a entering in 3...2... ?01:33
nickruddoes he belong to jdong now? Twice I've seen people pointing him at grant now :)01:33
PriceyI'll send him a /msg later perhaps.01:33
jdongnickrud: I was the first one to call him out.01:33
jdongand the first one he wagered war against in here.01:33
nickrudno good deed goes unpunished01:33
jdongwhat was he saying this time that ticked everyone off?01:35
nickrudsomething about anti-americanism being racism or some such. It wasn't very clear01:37
jdongheh.01:38
geniiInteresting. Quoting Mark Twain now on censorship in #u-o01:38
jdonghis political talks are more painful than his tech talks.01:38
jdongthe only thing that gets more cringe-y is his science-talk.01:38
nickrudI saw enough of his slippery rationalization while reading back here, thank you. I don't need much more01:39
nickrudwhat, no call against censorship?01:40
geniiLooks like someones testing their bot in #u02:16
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geniiInteresting that the floodbot does a !netsplit to sort of explain what just happened,,,,,02:46
nickrudused to be a bunch of manual !netsplits after a split; someone musta got tired of it02:53
* genii puts a tasty cookie on stdin's plate for when he gets back02:54
tritiumGood evening.04:48
mneptokoh IS IT?!04:49
mneptokoh ... excuse me.04:49
mneptok(red pill in evening. RED pill.)04:49
* genii makes mneptok's next coffee a decaf04:49
tritiumHortons!04:50
tritiumEr, Tim Hortons04:50
geniitritium: Heh, yes.04:50
mneptokAlways fresh. Always Tim Horton's.04:50
mneptokor around here, "Teemz"04:51
geniimneptok: Is this some Tim Horton's brach in Tijuana? ;)04:52
mneptokgenii: worse. Quebec.04:52
geniiAaaaaaaah04:52
mneptokwait, i meant "exaaaactly"04:53
tritiummneptok: isn't there a super fancy McDonald's in Montreal?04:53
mneptoktritium: not that i've seen, but McD's is a rarity with me.04:53
tritiumI thougth I saw something on the Food Network, or some other show.04:53
* tritium googles04:53
mneptokhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080109164150AAAgA8804:55
geniiI wonder if the Montreal McDonalds has poutine04:55
mneptokAlexis-Nihon?04:55
mneptok(that's ~5 blocks away)04:56
tritiumYeah, it was the Travel Channel.04:56
mneptokhttp://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.489246,-73.585492&spn=0.001237,0.00235&z=1904:58
mneptokwe live here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.483008,-73.577784&spn=0.001237,0.00235&z=1904:59
mneptoki think only the menu is fancy. the resto itself is pretty ordinary, from what i have seen.05:00
tritiumAh, ok.05:00
geniiInteresting05:00
mneptokthat shopping mall occupies what used to be the Forum, home of the Canadiens05:02
* genii secretly roots for the Leafs05:04
mneptokgenii: i'm not a Habs fan. i actualyl have it worse than you. raised in Hartford, CT.05:05
geniimneptok: My condolences05:05
mneptokat least the Leafs pretend they can win.05:05
mneptokdamned Whalers move to Carolina and win the Cup inside 2 years. bah.05:06
mneptokat least we have the best fight ever in hockey to brag about05:06
mneptokgenii: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_xproK4-j805:08
mneptokand with that, bed.05:08
geniiGnite :)05:09
tritiumnight, mneptok 05:09
* genii prepares a fresh pot of coffee before /away05:56
Myrttimmmmm05:56
Myrttinomnom05:56
tritiumgenii: you're my never-ending supply of fresh coffee :)05:57
MyrttiI have the feeling something has been hosed in the last update since everyone is complaining about session management being broken05:57
Myrttiand/or gdm06:00
tritiumMyrtti: you've seen multiple complaints?06:01
Myrttithere's been one people who complained that gnome-power-management started gazillion instances and made it impossible to login06:01
Myrttithen there's another who turned gdm off to login on cli and start x from there06:02
tritiumhmm06:02
Myrttiand this is in xubuntu06:02
Myrttimy own webcam stopped working after the last update06:03
tritiumAnd apparently a recent mysql upgrade broke mythweb, for those who use mythtv06:03
Myrtti... which uses xfce06:13
Myrttithere's a pattern here but I'm not quite sure what it is06:13
Myrttior then there is no pattern06:13
tritiumindeed06:14
Myrttithis is werid06:16
MyrttiFinnish mirror doesn't respond, and one of the Swedish gives me 40406:16
tritiumStrange days have found us.06:17
Myrttian update to sudo?!?!06:19
Myrttiand here I am just helping someone to use sudo...06:20
MyrttiI certainly hope this isn't some, excuse me, fuckup with updates like in summer of 2006 with xorg06:21
tritiumI guess we'll find out.06:21
Myrttiif bnagy has 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1...06:23
tritiumHe has the update you're referring to06:24
Myrttiok, I'm not going to update that then myself quite yet06:25
tritiumNor am I.06:25
tritiumgah, bnagy quit06:28
Myrttinnnn06:29
Myrttihttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/sudo/+bug/32896406:29
ubottuUbuntu bug 328964 in sudo "[CVE-2009-0034] For some non-standard /etc/sudoers root escalation is possible" [Undecided,Fix released]06:29
tritiumSo, the update addresses that, but may be causing another problem.06:31
Myrttiyeah06:31
Myrttifor gods sake06:31
Myrttithis is going to be a long day06:31
tritiumIt's nearly my bed time.  Hopefully all will be fixed by the time I wake up ;)06:32
tritiumI'm somewhat tempted to upgrade sudo and see what happens.06:33
tritiumDo I dare?06:33
Myrttiit's your Ubuntu ;-)06:35
tritium:)06:35
tritiumI'm goign for it.06:35
tritiumgoign, even06:35
Flanneltritium: See you in a few days! :)06:35
tritiumgoing, I mean06:36
tritiumFlannel: ;)06:36
tritiumSeemed to work.  sudo -i works with no issue06:36
tritiumYeah, I'm unaffected.06:37
Myrttitry some graphical app06:37
tritiumSystem -> Administration -> Users and Groups works, and I was able to successfully unlock.06:38
Myrttiok06:38
Myrttiso hopefully it isn't that06:38
tritiumI'd guess not.06:39
tritiumLet me try logging out, for fun.06:41
tritiumNope, I'm in good shape.06:43
* Myrtti holds her breath06:49
Myrttiwhoo06:50
tritiumYou updated too?06:50
Myrttino, I was helping the person with sudo problems06:50
Myrttihe couldn't use su-to-root06:51
Myrttiie. wifi-radar wouldn't launch06:51
Myrttifrom the menu06:51
tritiumAh, in #xubuntu?06:52
Myrttiyeah06:52
Myrttiwoo, he has a female linux instructor at school06:52
tritiumlinux instructor?06:52
tritiumFascinating...06:53
Myrttiwho teaches networking and...06:53
Myrttiprotocols06:53
tritiumAh06:53
Myrttiis that pHreaksYcle going to be a problem?06:54
Myrttior has he shown signs of understanding before?06:54
tritiumHe's shown potential to go either way.06:55
Myrttiok...06:55
Myrttiso we know to watch him after you've gone to bed06:55
MyrttiI need my coffee now though06:55
Myrttiand start working06:55
MyrttiI'm happy I got my good deed of the day done before it's even nine06:56
tritiumThanks, Myrtti.  :)06:56
FlannelNo, the point was because you were whining about not hearing about how bad it was before you installed it.07:07
Flannelsigh07:07
* Myrtti needs to pull away from IRC07:11
tritiumFun times07:12
* tritium pulls Myrtti back to IRC07:25
Flannelweeee07:34
FlannelHere he comes!07:34
jussi01who?07:35
Flannelspree?  I was sure he'd be in here to argue.07:35
FlannelHowdy spree.  How can we help you today?07:36
spreeHi. I just got banned for reasons I don't understand at all. Flannel and tritium are out of control. Yes, I know you're both in here, Flannel and tritium 07:36
spreeparticularly tritium 07:36
tritiumspree: you know exactly why you were first removed, and then banned.07:37
spreethe channel user Daft_Punk stated that somebody was being unhelpful. I warned him that some people in #ubuntu can be that way, and by that i meant trolls and other disruptives07:37
spreetritium, I know that you have it in for me, really really hardcore and i don't know why.07:38
tritiumspree: I don't "have it in" for anybody07:38
tritiumI took exception to your expectation that we be responsible for your automatix problems.07:38
spreetritium, You do, you're taking it entirely personally, and you have had it in for me ever since i questioned your absolute negation of my existence when i mentioned the word Automatix. 07:39
tritiumThere is nothing about automatix for me to take personally.07:39
spreetritium, you have gone too far, I don't appreciate it, and I already heard you and I didn't say one single utterance of automatix after the first kick. 07:39
tritiumPlease go on about these false accusations of my "absolute negation" of your existence.07:40
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spreetritium, you are taking this personally. why? i said all of two lines in #ubuntu after the warning kick. One was waring the user daft_punk about the unhelpful trolls that are in #ubuntu, and there ARE. The second line was asking you to remain on topic, which you were NOT on topic.07:41
tritiumspree: your ban was not related to automatix.  It was for your persistent foul attitude.07:41
spree"personal foul attitude". I request independent review, I do not believe I overstepped the bounds of the topic, and I believe that you did overstep the bounds of the topic, tritium.07:42
spree*persistent07:42
tritiumReminding you to stay on topic does not make me offtopic.  It's our job as ops to keep discussion focused on the topic of support.07:43
spreeDaft_Punk> lvty, I do not know if that is your attempt at humor, or just plain bad advice, but I do not appreciate it. Thanks.  <spree> Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor07:44
spreeFor THAT, you ban me?07:44
Flannelspree: No, for that, he warned you.07:44
spreethere's all kinds of malicious trolls in #ubuntu. did you think i was talking about you?07:44
spreesee? it IS personal.07:45
tritiumspree: I didn't ban you for that comment.07:45
tritiumI warned you after that comment.07:45
spreeNo, you banned me for this comment  tritium> spree: drop the attitude spree> tritium, I don't know what you mean. Please stay on topic.07:45
spreeI reminded you to stay on topic and you banned me. 07:46
tritiumFor that comment, given that you had 1) already been removed earlier, and 2) already been warned to stay on topic07:46
spreethere's a great deal of irony there07:46
jussi01spree: Hi, after a quick read through, it seems you came in #ubuntu with a genuine issue, to get rid of automatix. However, after some comments advising you of how bad automatix is, you became sarcastic and I did not see a support question after that. 07:46
spreei was completely on topic.07:46
spreeYou, however, were not on topic.07:47
tritiumspree: no, I've already stated it's our job to keep the discussion on topic.  that specifically requires us to give reminders like the one I gave you.07:47
spreejussi01, the warning kick was given, i discussed with Flannel regarding the topic, rejoined after doing so, and tritium had it in for me after that 07:47
spreei feel i could have said anything, it would have been arbitrary, and he would have still banned me.07:48
tritiumspree: no, I didn't have it in for you.  You had been sufficiently warned.07:48
spreetritium, if you don't have it in for me, why are you in here trying to keep me out07:48
jussi01spree: can you explain how this is helpful in an ubuntu official support channel? [09:32:42] <spree> Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor07:48
tritiumspree: I'm always in here07:49
spreeI feel that's a fair question07:49
spreetritium, why are you trying to keep me out07:49
tritiumspree: you're free to be here while we discuss this issue.  I'm not trying to keep you out.07:49
tritium2009-02-18T07:17:05 <spree> i'm irritated at the lack of enthusiasm07:50
tritiumPerhaps you're still irritated at the lack of enthusiasm for automatix07:50
spreeIf it's not personal, then why are you trying to keep me out? Clearly I'm not THAT bad, I made an error not knowing how hardcore the #ubuntu ops are against automatix, and after that you seem to have had it in for me. 07:50
tritiumspree: You are the one taking things personally.  Nobody is out to get you.07:51
tritiumYou got irritated with us over our "lack of enthusiasm"07:51
spreeYou have it in for me right now. Look at you. Trying to take things I say out of context. I was saying I am irritated at the lack of the hacker spirit to figure things out. You simply shut me down completely and entirely, saying I am essentially doomed and threated me if i were to say one more thing to the contrary.07:51
tritiumWe explained why trying to help you remove automatix is more difficult than just reinstalling07:51
tritiumThere were no threats.  You're free to check the logs.07:52
spreetritium, "we"? No, Flannel was helpful, you were saying I am doomed and there is no help for me and I was stupid to install it.07:52
tritiumNow, you've made enough false accusations against me.  We're done here.07:52
spreeYou reminded me I was wrong for installing it no less than 4 times. I already knew that, stated i knew it in the very first line of text, and you persisted07:53
Flannelspree: Automatix is a horrible piece of software.  It's also old and outdated.  I've spent countless hours trying to figure out clean ways to remove it, and I know better than to try.  The *easiest* way is to reinstall.  But, obviously since we have 'rm' we can *technically* remove it to some extent manually.  It's not a smart choice, since I'm sure your time is valuable.07:53
tritiumI had thought you wanted to discuss this maturely and honestly.07:53
spreetritium, You accuse me of being dishonest now?07:53
tritiumspree: your false accusations are exactly that -- dishonesty07:53
spreedoes anybody want to jump in here? any time07:54
Flannelspree: we *all* have spent countless hours trying to fix its horribleness.  Which is how we discovered it was so bad in the first place.07:54
spreetritium, I believe I am not only speaking the truth but also in the spirit of the truth. 07:54
spreeWell maybe you shouldn't have jumped on me so hard. The both of you.07:54
tritiumspree: believe what you want.  The channel logs will reveal I never threatened you, as you falsely claim07:54
Flannelspree: I never jumped on you07:55
spreeFlannel, kicks say otherwise07:55
spreewe already had this discussion Flannel it's dropped07:55
spreetritium persists07:55
tritiumspree: only you persist.  I'm done.07:56
spreeI want to be unbanned then i stop persisting. 07:56
jussi01spree: ok, enough now. going about it the way you are is never going to get you unbanned.07:56
jussi01spree: How I see it is, You had some discussions tending towards offtopic after the initial automatix issue. flannel removed you. 07:57
jussi01you said to me that you had a discussion with him regarding topic.07:57
jussi01(here) [09:47:51] <spree> jussi01, the warning kick was given, i discussed with Flannel regarding the topic, rejoined after doing so, and tritium had it in for me after that07:58
spreeafterwards, upon having a private discussion with flannel, i rejoined and didn't really say anthing at all worthy of any sort of ban 07:58
jussi01then you continued offtopic with [09:32:42] <spree> Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor07:58
spreejussi01, it was entirely on topic.07:58
spreeShall we delve into that?07:58
jussi01spree: no. it has nothing to do with Ubuntu support.07:59
spreeit has everything to do with ubuntu support07:59
spreethe channel had malicious trolls in it who try to break your system07:59
spree*has07:59
spreeso yes, caveat emptor, buyer beware08:00
spreein #ubuntu and numerous other channels i often ask a question several times at different times of the day to see if they agree08:00
spreei don't know why we're nitpicking so much. i had no malicious, sarcastic or other intention than providing daft_punk with the best advice possible.08:01
spreejussi01, 08:01
jussi01spree: What Im trying to get across is just that, from what Ive read, you have had a continual sarcasm towards any advice given to you. This I beleive is probably the main reason for your ban. Now here is what I plan to do. I want you to go and read the channel guidelines, then tomorrow you may come back and ask for your ban to be lifted. 08:03
Daft_Punk* Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned). Why was I banned from here?08:03
jussi01!guidelines | spree08:04
ubottuspree: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines08:04
tritiumDaft_Punk: from the logs, you said a naughty08:04
spree<tritium> spree: nonsense <tritium> spree: it's not reasonable to demand support for random, third-party, unofficial software <tritium> spree: drop it. <tritium> spree: spare us, and stay on topic, please08:04
Daft_Punktritium, ok how long is the ban08:04
spreeDo you not see, tritium, how dismissive you are of me?08:04
jussi01spree: enough. do you agree to what I have asked?08:04
tritiumspree: after your false accusations, for which you've not apologized, I have no business with you08:05
tritiumDaft_Punk: not for me to say.  I didn't set the ban.08:05
spreejussi01, I agree, but I want you to know that I believe that tritium has behaved in a manner that is inappropriate. 08:06
Daft_Punkok thanks08:06
spreejussi01, that being said, i comply.08:06
jussi01spree: thank you. see you tomorrow.08:07
jussi01tritium: who was the op in Daft_Punk's case?08:07
Daft_PunkI was just asking because I havn't been in that channel for a long time, and was not sure why I was banned08:07
tritiumjussi01: topyli08:07
FlannelDaft_Punk: Since the third.08:07
Daft_Punkit's a long time to me08:08
topylihmm08:08
tritiumjussi01: before spree's ban is removed, it is my opinion he should acknowledge what *he* did wrong, and apologize08:08
tritiumI don't take well to false accusations.08:08
topyliDaft_Punk: ok, looks like you took it as your business to break every rule one by one. you probably thought it would be fun08:10
jussi01tritium: understood. ( I only told him to come back tomorrow and ask for his ban to be lifted, not that it will)08:10
tritiumjussi01: thanks08:10
Daft_Punktopyli, yeah i vaguely remember that, maybe i should just stay banned since i cant be a good boy08:11
spreeSorry, I thought we were finished.08:11
topyliDaft_Punk: you don't think you can?08:11
Flannelspree: Hmm?08:11
Daft_Punkspree, why are you telling me to go to other channels for help?08:11
tritiumspree: no, I asked you back to make you aware of a few things08:11
spree<tritium> We were not done.08:11
spree<tritium> re-join #ubuntu-ops08:11
FlannelOh08:11
tritiumspree: if you don't show remorse for what you've done, there will be little reason to remove your ban08:12
Daft_Punksorry i typed that in the wrong window08:12
tritiumThat would include apologizing for false accusations, spree08:12
tritiumDaft_Punk: did you see topyli's question above?08:13
Daft_Punksorry08:13
tritiumjust checking08:14
Daft_Punktopyli, probably not, i get moody sometimes and would probably do something stupid again, i best take my BS to another server right? 08:14
FlannelDaft_Punk: Not at all.  We fully acknowledge that mistakes happen.  The question is how you learn from past mistakes, etc.08:14
Daft_PunkFlannel, my main concern was not knowing why I was banned, but thanks to the refresher here, i know why I was banned and probably deserved that, i wasn't asking to be unbanned...08:15
tritiumspree: understood?08:15
spreetritium, I am not sorry. You are playing a power game, and I find it entirely against the entire spirit of the channel to apologize to you for something I have stated my case for, and have lost, and have received a sort of juris prudence in system that i can ask to be removed of the ban tomorrow.08:15
topyliDaft_Punk: the important thing here is the future. if you don't think you can respect our code of conduct, then yes it's not a good idea to come back08:15
tritiumspree: you know what you've done, and if you're not sorry, the ban will remain08:16
Daft_Punktopyli, i am unpredictable, tonight i could be nice, but who knows about tomorrow right? it happened once, it might just happen again, the reason it wont happen in the main channel is because its support, not offtopic08:16
spreetritium, I feel that you are very much in the wrong, and you have further given momentum to my theory that you have it in for me.08:17
topyliDaft_Punk: i see it has happened twice. once on the main channel, once on -ot08:17
Daft_Punki dont want to get involved here, but i felt that spree was being quite rude by telling me to go to other channels for support and saying #ubuntu has aids08:17
Daft_Punktopyli, oh really,  on main channel? sorry, please dont ban me :(08:17
tritiumspree: you are very much in the wrong, particularly for claiming I threatened you.08:17
spreewell, look at this right here08:18
spreetritium, you did, and very much so.08:18
FlannelDaft_Punk: you were already banned, actually.  And it was lifted.08:18
topyliDaft_Punk: that ban was in september08:18
tritiumspree: wrong08:18
Daft_Punkoh ok08:18
topyliDaft_Punk: if you don't want to discuss your -ot ban further right now, please /part this channel since we need it as a working channel. can't have people idling here08:20
tritiumspree: go cool off, and come back when you are capable of remorse08:20
spreetritium, I am not and will never be "remorseful" for something that is true. You did threaten me, belittle me, and now here you are trying your absolute hardest to ensure I somehow suffer as bad as you can possibly make me. Why is that?08:22
spreetritium, I have the feeling that you wish you could somehow extend your sphere of influence beyond that channel to have it in for me more.08:22
tritiumspree: I will not tolerate your lying any longer.  Check the logs.  There were no such threats.08:23
Flanneltritium: You really shouldn't have called him back today.  Should've instead brought that up when he got back after cooling off.  He's *not* going to see something like that when he's still riled up.08:24
tritiumFlannel: perhaps I shouldn't have08:24
tritiumNevertheless, he should take responsibility for his own actions.08:27
FlannelOf course.08:28
FlannelAnd a little less paranoia could serve him well.  But that could also be the nerves.08:28
* ikonia fumes at panarchy's total lack of ability to understand ANYTHING08:29
tritiumI'm going to go catch a few hours of sleep before work.  Good night.08:30
FlannelNight08:30
Flannelikonia: Has he been back here recently?08:30
jussi01tritium: remove sprees ban in here ;)08:30
tritiumjussi01: beat me to it08:32
jussi01tritium: hehe, yeah08:33
ikoniaFlannel: not in #ubuntu - but I spent some much time with him yesterday explaining stuff, and why he was getting negative responses to he constanty questions08:38
FlannelOh, he's unbanned in #u now?08:38
ikoniaFlannel: no08:39
Flannelikonia: It didn't sink in?08:39
ikoniaFlannel: I spent ages with him yesterday - it sunk in for 15 seconds before he stopped doing it on IRC and took his behaviour to ubuntu forums08:39
ikoniaI then explained that the same behaviour in ubuntu forums wasn't going to get him far08:39
ikoniaso he started back up again in IRC08:39
Flannelikonia: I applaud your efforts08:39
ikoniahttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=107233208:39
ikoniaI'm trying really hard to get him to just focus as he seems keen and it's a shame to waste it08:40
ikoniabut he just can't grasp what is said to him08:40
ikoniaor choses to ignore it and troll08:40
ikoniaI can't decide what it is08:40
ikonias/what/which 08:40
FlannelUnfortunately there are times its hard/impossible to tell.08:41
ikoniaI can only assume it's a troll because I don't know how much more clear it can be made to him ?08:41
Myrtti@bansearch boshhead 08:43
ubottuNo matches found for boshhead!n=boshhead@adsl-76-242-80-31.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net in any channel08:43
Flannelikonia: Well, one could argue that a disservice would be made if you allowed them back in the channel, even if they are completely innocent (and ignorant).  You've certainly put in enough effort to fix it if it was fixable.08:45
ikoniaFlannel: hence why there is a ban on him08:47
ikonia@bansearch panarchy08:48
ubottuMatch: *!*@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by ikonia in #kubuntu on Feb 12 2009 09:41:09 (ID: 9946)08:48
ubottuMatch: *!*@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by ikonia in #ubuntu on Jan 17 2009 13:46:31 (ID: 9155)08:48
ubottuMatch: panarchy!*@* by ikonia in #ubuntu on Jan 18 2009 17:19:51 (ID: 9212)08:48
ubottuMatch: panarchy!n=fo@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by elky in #ubuntu-ops on Feb 11 2009 09:04:21 (ID: 9929)08:48
ikoniaooh he's had a go in .au too08:48
ikoniadidn't know about that one08:48
ikoniaoops in -ops08:48
MyrttiI think that should be removed08:48
ikonianot .au 08:48
elkydont go giving him ideas please08:48
ikoniathat he's done ubuntu-au 08:48
ikoniaha ha08:48
ikoniaI have no problem with him coming in here to tell us how much he listens 08:49
elkyi'd actually be worried if he had the marbles to read the logs for here08:49
ikoniathen spamming as much as he can 30 seconds after parting08:49
FlannelHe's not banned in -ops08:50
elkyikonia, the thing is he's a network problem, and someone like christel or nalioth should be dealing with him, not us08:50
elkyFlannel, he was temporarily at one point iirc08:50
ikonia08:48 < ubottu> Match: panarchy!n=fo@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by elky in #ubuntu-ops on Feb 11 2009 09:04:21 (ID: 9929)08:50
ikoniaFlannel: sure ?08:50
Flannelikonia: That bansearch match is a mark08:50
Flannel**MARK** - see the log snapshot for spam and history of behaviour elsewhere08:50
ikoniaFlannel: ahhh well spotted08:50
ikoniaFlannel: did you use BT or could you tell that from @bansearch08:51
FlannelIf theres absolutely no wildcards, its almost always a mark.  There'd be no point in fully spelling it out like that.08:51
ikoniaFlannel: nice trick08:51
elkyyeah, i had not noticed that08:51
Flannel(The *good* thing about marks doing everything is it makes them show up in lots of searches)08:52
Flannelincluding searches for IP and nick, etc08:52
christelelky: who's thr problem/what have they done? do they need a time-out?08:52
elkybut yeah, panarchy can be removed from anywhere you want with as much permanence as you wish, and i'll support it until the cows come home08:52
ikoniait is getting tedious now08:53
elkychristel, they're a general self-spamming pestilent creature who annoys the crap out of more than just us. talk to the ##windows crew too, and ikonia knows others08:53
ikoniahis "distro" is just a "super ubuntu" image renamed to panarchy-0.9.iso08:53
elkyikonia, "super ubuntu"?08:54
elkydo i even *want* to know?08:54
ikoniaelky: another "UE" style re-spin08:54
christelok lets see if a few days off makes him/her sit down and think for a moment08:54
* elky suddenly wishes she was not on the ground floor. defenstrating has so little effect from this height.08:54
elkychristel, thanks! :)08:55
ikoniachristel: cool, he's got enthusiasm, it would just be nice if he could learn to focus it08:55
ikoniaeg: learn how do do the task rather then blag to task so you can say "I'm the maintainer" or "my distro"08:56
elkyi'm not optimistic about the rehabilitation, but the break is most welcome08:57
ikoniaif his enthusiasm is genuine - it would be a shame to not exploit it, but as you I suspect it's just to be able to say "my distro" so I can sound l33t08:57
ikoniahe's currently studing for CCIA/CCNA/MSCE/CCIE/etc etc that he has to do in 4 hours etc etc etc08:58
christel*nod*08:58
FlannelHe's entirely unwilling to listen to the technical advice he was given regarding his questions.  So he just re-asks them over and over and over after being answered.08:58
ikoniaFlannel: that's the bit that kills me08:58
Flannelikonia: Yeah, and thats why he was removed in the first place.08:59
ikoniaone of many08:59
FlannelIf it weren't for that trait, his inability to follow the rest of the rules wouldn't have ever shown up.08:59
ikoniaprobably correct09:01
Flannelnot that it matters09:01
ikonianah09:01
ikoniacrunchbag....ANOTHER ubuntu respin09:33
ikoniahow many ubuntu+1package respin distros are there09:34
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plzdontkickizg00is my ubuntu off topic ban over yet?11:38
jussi01plzdontkickizg00: who banned you and why and when?11:39
plzdontkickizg00dont remember who banned me, people there thought i was a troll11:41
plzdontkickizg00and then they accused me of ban evading11:41
jussi01ahh, you are nickchangertroll?11:44
plzdontkickizg00not sure, i've used lots of nicks there, must be me11:44
bazhangfailtroll?11:46
jussi01yeah, Im looking at logs for a few different items from you. I think its best in this case to wait for the op (tonyyarruso) who banned you. Id suggest trying back here in about 6-8hours11:46
plzdontkickizg00ok11:46
plzdontkickizg00bye11:46
jussi01bye11:46
jussi01bazhang: yeah11:46
bazhanghe was doing it in #u-f as well jussi01 11:46
topyligreat nick12:06
ikonia12:06 < friedpineapple> am i the only one here who wants a shinny solid aluminum gravestone with  a glowing apple logo after death?12:08
ikoniahe' in ##apple now with another nick12:08
ikonianow trolling #ubuntuforums12:09
Myrttilemme guess12:09
Myrtti"vBulletin is cruddy, I'd use phpBB or JIVE!" ;-)12:10
ikonianah12:10
ikonia"mac users say linux is not ready for the desktop"12:10
ikoniablah12:10
Myrttithe usual, that is, then12:10
ikoniabased on behaviour in ##apple ##mac #macdev and #ubuntuforums I'd suggest not removing the ban on this users for a while12:13
ikoniafor the public log12:14
ikonia"hi log readers"12:14
Myrtti:-/12:15
ikonia12:18 < friedpineapple> thats enough trollin for today folks, cya later12:18
Myrtti:-/ ^212:18
ikoniayeah - I won't be suggesting that ban be removed for a while12:19
beniwtvHi all... My IP is still graylisted, and I think it's part of a broader restriction, as my ISP is very small. Anyone can help?12:40
ikoniaone moment beniwtv 12:42
ikonia@bansearch beniwtv12:43
ubottuMatch: *!*@83.230.*!#ubuntu-graylist by LjL in #ubuntu on Nov 24 2008 23:26:56 (ID: 7252)12:43
ikoniabeniwtv: yes you appear correct - I'd need to speak to LJL or someone else who knows why this range is grey listed12:43
beniwtvikonia: heh... They restricted half of Spain :P Many IP's have 80.23*12:43
ikoniabeniwtv: it would seem because of a lot of spam12:44
beniwtvikonia: I believe you - my ISP is very small, and using telefonica's network (a very big one here), so I guess the restriction was for part of their network.12:46
ikoniait would seem that way12:46
ikoniabeniwtv: I can only suggest you come back at a later date when someone who is aware of the current status of this greylist can help13:37
beniwtvikonia: k, thanks for the info anyways13:39
* genii sips14:24
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geniiMyrtti: I think you're right about session management break or similar. I've seen now maybe a dozen cases of ppl keep getting kicked back to the login screen14:36
ikoniaPici: you around ?14:42
geniiMyrtti: Bah. Another one of those gdm cases in #x15:36
Myrttinoted15:37
MyrttiI know deleting .config/xfce4-session helps15:44
Myrttibut this is part of a bigger problem15:44
Myrttiok.15:48
Myrtti1) it has automated/timed login15:49
Myrtti[17:44] < Myrtti> have you guys noticed that after latest updates there's 15:50
Myrtti                  increasing number of people in #xubuntu, that have their 15:50
Myrtti                  session management broken15:50
Myrtti[17:48] < charlie-tca> It's not just us. Ubuntu is having problems too. 15:50
Myrtti                       Something spawns a ton of desktops. delete 15:50
Myrtti                       ~/.cache/sessions and ~/.config/xfce4-session and 15:50
ubot3Myrtti: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)15:50
Myrtti                       restart the system15:50
Myrttibollocks15:50
* Myrtti crawls to a hiding place15:51
geniiYes, exactly.15:56
Myrttigenii: we're at #ubuntu-release15:59
Myrttiif you have noticed something that forms a pattern...15:59
ikoniajust having a noosiey in there16:00
geniiGuess I'll peek in there16:00
Myrttiit's not logged!16:00
Myrttiomg16:00
MyrttiI wonder why16:00
geniiDid they freeze yet?16:01
* ikonia swears16:01
ikoniacan't get me - not logged16:01
geniiThis sy fellow in #k may get to be a prob, but work is running me back and forth to computer right now, can't keep proper eye on it16:06
Myrttiare they *all* using wubi?16:21
Piciikonia: I am now.16:34
Picihrm.17:16
Myrttihrm17:26
Myrttiindeed17:26
Pici!1sustainableresource17:45
ubottuthe only everlasting, sustainable resources are human stupidity, ignorance and avarice.17:45
Picio.O17:45
Piciubottu: forget 1sustainableresource17:46
ubottuI'll forget that, Pici17:46
mneptok!anything_at_all17:50
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about anything_at_all17:50
mneptok:(17:50
mneptok*patpat*17:51
Pici!nothing17:51
ubottuSaying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.17:51
Pici!anything17:51
ubottuSo, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.17:51
Mez!broken17:51
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about broken17:51
Mez!broken is <alias> nothing17:51
ubottuI'll remember that, Mez17:51
geniiCleaning up factoids?17:56
MyrttiI HATE SEAHORSE18:02
mneptok*patpat*18:04
Tm_Tdon't use it=18:05
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)18:09
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)18:09
MyrttiTm_T: shuddup :-/18:15
Tm_TMyrtti: hmm, you have to?18:16
MyrttiTm_T: apt-cache rdepends seahorse18:17
Tm_Tcrab!18:18
Tm_Tlobsters!18:18
Myrttimussels and fish.18:18
mneptoknuzzle my eel.18:19
* Myrtti larts mneptok 18:20
mneptokthat's ... not nuzzling.18:21
mneptokbut i'll take what i can get. :P18:21
PiciI was concidering replacing nuzzling with muzzling, but was afraid you'd enjoy it too much.18:21
Jack_SparrowCan someone verify that grub ignores the boot flag on the drive?18:32
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Pici@bansearch pop7919:03
ubottuMatch: pop79!*@*!#ubuntu-ops by ikonia in #ubuntu on Feb 15 2009 21:46:39 (ID: 10054)19:03
ubottuMatch: %*!*@193.120.116.182 by Pricey in #ubuntu-offtopic on Feb 15 2009 18:50:45 (ID: 10053)19:03
pop79hi. why, whenever i go to #ubuntu, do I get directed here?19:11
pop79i mean, why19:11
pop79Hi, why am i getting directed to #ubuntu-ops when I try to get to #ubuntu?19:23
Myrttilet's see.19:23
mneptok@login19:23
ubottuThe operation succeeded.19:23
mneptok@btlogin19:23
pop79What should I do?19:24
mneptok2009-02-15T18:50:01 * pop79 is Irish, what's wrong with that?19:25
mneptok2009-02-15T18:50:08 <Myrtti> pop79: LET IT GO19:25
pop79oh, oops19:25
mneptokthis conversation seems to be the cause of the problem.19:25
Myrttimneptok: just one of the several issues19:26
mneptokpop79: you know the o4o factoid?19:26
pop79Yep19:26
mneptok!o4o > pop79 19:26
ubottupop79, please see my private message19:26
mneptokpop79: take a few moments to re-acquaint yourself.19:26
pop79sorry, i didn't mean to harm anyone19:26
Myrttipop79: I saw you redirecting people with problems at #ubuntu to such channels as #pop79-fstab19:27
Myrttiwhy?19:27
pop79I just wanted to help people, but I suppose #ubuntu should do that19:27
pop79im sorry, hands on heart19:27
Myrtti!pm19:28
ubottuPlease ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first.19:28
pop79It won't ever, EVER happen again, i promise19:28
pop79ok19:28
pop79Ill take it on board19:28
Myrttithat's usually given to people who pm people at random19:28
pop79ok19:28
mneptokpop79: FYI, i was the very first person Mark Shuttleworth hired to provide support for Ubuntu. you'll note there is no #mneptok channel, and i exclusively help people on official channels and in private message after confirming that's OK.19:28
Myrttibut it also says why directing people to small channels, managed by you yourself, is not a good idea19:28
mneptokpop79: if *i* don't need a special channel, you sure don't. ;)19:29
pop79ok :)19:29
mneptokpop79: not that i'm anything special, mind you. just sayin' ....19:29
pop79OK, i understand19:29
* Myrtti slaps mneptok between shoulderblades19:29
mneptoksuperb.19:29
Myrttiour speshul mneptok.19:29
mneptokpop79: it's Myrtti's ban. it's her decision. but i can assure you that playing by the same rules as everyone else goes a *loooooong* way. ;)19:30
pop79OK19:30
Myrttimneptok: tsktsk19:30
Myrtti@bansearch pop79 19:30
ubottuMatch: pop79!*@*!#ubuntu-ops by ikonia in #ubuntu on Feb 15 2009 21:46:39 (ID: 10054)19:30
ubottuMatch: %*!*@193.120.116.182 by Pricey in #ubuntu-offtopic on Feb 15 2009 18:50:45 (ID: 10053)19:30
pop79huh, tut, ..., there was actually help i needed right now19:31
* Myrtti has nothing to do with it19:31
* pop79 didn't mean to hurt anyone :*19:31
Myrttiikonia, you around?19:31
pop79:(19:31
pop79try to ping her.19:31
Myrttihim, in this case19:32
pop79or him19:32
pop79yea :)19:32
Myrttipop79: and I just did, by mentioning his nick19:32
pop79OK19:32
pop79maybe she isn't there. :(19:32
* pop79 confesses to all damage done.19:34
* Myrtti looks at mneptok19:34
* pop79 is so sorry, he'd do anything19:34
* mneptok blends into the couch19:35
pop79ikonia: Ya there?19:35
pop79lol :)19:35
mneptokthe maestro is decomposing.19:36
Myrttipop79: I'm going to use my own judgement here19:36
pop79ok19:36
Myrttithis means, that I'm going to lift the ban19:36
Myrttibut19:36
Myrtti(and this goes for *everyone* who has ever been banned and are caught doing something banworthy again=19:37
Myrtti)19:37
pop79Yes...19:37
Myrttinext time you end up here to be talked to about your behaviour, it's not going to be this pretty.19:37
mneptokfool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, you're dead.19:37
pop79ok, thank you sooooo much! Ill never forget how nice you are!19:38
pop79it isn't lifted... :(19:38
topylicupcakes would be in order!19:38
Myrttipop79: you can now rejoin19:38
pop79Thank you soo much!19:38
pop79:) :) :)19:39
mneptoktopyli: what did you call me?19:39
topyli"master"19:39
pop79thank you, bye now!19:39
topyliwhat did you hear?19:39
mneptok"cupcake"19:40
mneptokand i thought it meant that you had finally acknowledged your true feelings for me. and i got a bit choked up.19:40
topylimust be the swedes censoring my international traffic from keywords19:40
mneptokand now i realize you're the same bitter, spiteful, hateful man you have always been.19:40
mneptok*sniff*19:40
topyliit wasn't me, it was the *swedes* i swear19:41
Myrtti@mark pop79 removed the ban. If he really is 10yr (as I believe he is based on his behaviour), some extra slack is in my opinion granted, but follow the usual procedure in escalating the case if he ends up to be talked with at -ops.19:41
ubottuThe operation succeeded.19:41
mneptokor Norwegians as the cable heads out to Canada.19:41
mneptok"Never attribute to malicious intent that which can be explained by lutefisk."19:42
* Myrtti slaps mneptok with a kyykkä bat.19:42
Myrttioops, sorry.19:42
topylioh you seem to be well informed19:42
Myrttiswedes as in beets? ;-=19:42
Myrttibwahaha19:42
topylii can hear mneptok googling for "kyykkä" way over here19:43
mneptokwhy? i figure it's a cognate with "caca"19:43
mneptokand that defintiion fits current usage ;)19:43
Myrttihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyykk%C3%A419:44
topylieven olympic scoreboards in the 70s used to at least try "kyykkaeae". now our protocols have degenerated to that. "kyykk%C3%A4"19:46
ikoniaMyrtti: thanks19:59
ikonia@bansearch Guest1707420:35
ubottuNo matches found for guest17074!n=eric@ebischoff.pck.nerim.net in any channel20:35
ikoniaI know that real name20:35
Picieric?20:36
ikoniaEric Bischoff20:37
Picio20:37
ikoniaPici: updated the raid installation wiki page - almost finished the "convertaing and existing system to raid" page then I'll work on the overview20:37
ikoniaPici: care to check it see if it matches a better instruction20:37
Piciikonia: Looks good20:45
ikoniaPici: good good, two more wiki pages - maybe three to include lvm then I feel it will be quite complete 20:46
ikoniaas an overall topic20:46
Piciikonia: fyi lvm process may be changing with Jaunty20:49
ikoniaPici: but LVM as a tool doesn't20:49
ikoniaPici: just config to be the way it's setup - which is easy to update20:49
ikoniathe overall overview will be the same20:49
PiciAh, okay20:50
ikoniaplus that's only 1 page out of 4 - so shouldn't be too bad to update a chapter20:51
ikoniabut appriciate the heads up - the 9.04 build I've got uses lvm in exactly the same way as before20:51
PiciI saw an email recently about install changes in regards to lvm: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027398.html20:53
ikoniaI may need to re-install see if they have made changes20:53
mneptoktopyli: Olympic scoreboards in the 70s had yet to encounter Matti Nykanen. that changed *everything*.21:00
MyrttiMarja-Liisa Hämäläinen21:00
mneptokHAI HAI HAI. I AM A SAMURAI!21:01
* ikonia bows21:01
topylipoor marja-liisa had to marry for name beautification purposes21:02
Myrttihaemaelaenen21:02
mneptokgesundheit21:05
Myrttigenii: ♥ http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6jluj_le-cafe-oldelaf-english-subtitles_music22:42
fdeCould someone pay attention to DigitalKiwi in #ubuntu ... seems to be a troll based on statements like: <DigitalKiwi> lolbuntu-server and DigitalKiwi> because the cube is fail ;) after someone asked about a Compiz issue22:44
fdeThank you22:44
ubottumaco called the ops in #kubuntu (maggot is flooding and flaming)23:45
ubottuDaSkreech called the ops in #kubuntu ()23:45
Myrtti!opsnack23:54
ubottuChocolate! And Raisins! And ICE CREAM! ooo! and 60 minutes +m!23:54
Myrtti!opsnack | Myrtti23:54
ubottuMyrtti, please see my private message23:54
Myrtti!opsnack > Myrtti23:54
Myrttilike... umm... WTF?!23:54

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