[00:50] <jrib> think it's one person or more ?
[00:51] <nalioth> jrib: must be a school vacation or something
[00:51] <Pricey> Its half term in the UK. That's a us address thuogh.
[00:52] <nalioth> proxy proxy procy
[00:52] <nalioth> proxy
[00:52] <nalioth> bleh bleh
[00:55] <Pici> hah
[00:56] <jdong> ow!
[00:56] <jdong> *checks his regex for panic-on-ops*
[01:01]  * genii sips
[01:14] <_VIM_> might wanna keep watch for this guy, he keeps CTCP flooding the chan, and saying "testing" every few minutes under various nicks...17:13 -!- rvgeelen [n=rvgeelen@dhcp-077-250-188-037.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit]
[01:32] <Pricey> jdong: grant-a ^
[01:32] <nickrud> ain't he just the one
[01:32] <jdong> Pricey: you're kidding.
[01:33] <jdong> well have fun
[01:33] <jdong> grant-a entering in 3...2... ?
[01:33] <nickrud> does he belong to jdong now? Twice I've seen people pointing him at grant now :)
[01:33] <Pricey> I'll send him a /msg later perhaps.
[01:33] <jdong> nickrud: I was the first one to call him out.
[01:33] <jdong> and the first one he wagered war against in here.
[01:33] <nickrud> no good deed goes unpunished
[01:35] <jdong> what was he saying this time that ticked everyone off?
[01:37] <nickrud> something about anti-americanism being racism or some such. It wasn't very clear
[01:38] <jdong> heh.
[01:38] <genii> Interesting. Quoting Mark Twain now on censorship in #u-o
[01:38] <jdong> his political talks are more painful than his tech talks.
[01:38] <jdong> the only thing that gets more cringe-y is his science-talk.
[01:39] <nickrud> I saw enough of his slippery rationalization while reading back here, thank you. I don't need much more
[01:40] <nickrud> what, no call against censorship?
[02:16] <genii> Looks like someones testing their bot in #u
[02:16] <genii> kemrinh2/kemrinh  
[02:46] <genii> Interesting that the floodbot does a !netsplit to sort of explain what just happened,,,,,
[02:53] <nickrud> used to be a bunch of manual !netsplits after a split; someone musta got tired of it
[02:54]  * genii puts a tasty cookie on stdin's plate for when he gets back
[04:48] <tritium> Good evening.
[04:49] <mneptok> oh IS IT?!
[04:49] <mneptok> oh ... excuse me.
[04:49] <mneptok> (red pill in evening. RED pill.)
[04:49]  * genii makes mneptok's next coffee a decaf
[04:50] <tritium> Hortons!
[04:50] <tritium> Er, Tim Hortons
[04:50] <genii> tritium: Heh, yes.
[04:50] <mneptok> Always fresh. Always Tim Horton's.
[04:51] <mneptok> or around here, "Teemz"
[04:52] <genii> mneptok: Is this some Tim Horton's brach in Tijuana? ;)
[04:52] <mneptok> genii: worse. Quebec.
[04:52] <genii> Aaaaaaaah
[04:53] <mneptok> wait, i meant "exaaaactly"
[04:53] <tritium> mneptok: isn't there a super fancy McDonald's in Montreal?
[04:53] <mneptok> tritium: not that i've seen, but McD's is a rarity with me.
[04:53] <tritium> I thougth I saw something on the Food Network, or some other show.
[04:53]  * tritium googles
[04:55] <mneptok> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080109164150AAAgA88
[04:55] <genii> I wonder if the Montreal McDonalds has poutine
[04:55] <mneptok> Alexis-Nihon?
[04:56] <mneptok> (that's ~5 blocks away)
[04:56] <tritium> Yeah, it was the Travel Channel.
[04:58] <mneptok> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.489246,-73.585492&spn=0.001237,0.00235&z=19
[04:59] <mneptok> we live here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.483008,-73.577784&spn=0.001237,0.00235&z=19
[05:00] <mneptok> i think only the menu is fancy. the resto itself is pretty ordinary, from what i have seen.
[05:00] <tritium> Ah, ok.
[05:00] <genii> Interesting
[05:02] <mneptok> that shopping mall occupies what used to be the Forum, home of the Canadiens
[05:04]  * genii secretly roots for the Leafs
[05:05] <mneptok> genii: i'm not a Habs fan. i actualyl have it worse than you. raised in Hartford, CT.
[05:05] <genii> mneptok: My condolences
[05:05] <mneptok> at least the Leafs pretend they can win.
[05:06] <mneptok> damned Whalers move to Carolina and win the Cup inside 2 years. bah.
[05:06] <mneptok> at least we have the best fight ever in hockey to brag about
[05:08] <mneptok> genii: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_xproK4-j8
[05:08] <mneptok> and with that, bed.
[05:09] <genii> Gnite :)
[05:09] <tritium> night, mneptok 
[05:56]  * genii prepares a fresh pot of coffee before /away
[05:56] <Myrtti> mmmmm
[05:56] <Myrtti> nomnom
[05:57] <tritium> genii: you're my never-ending supply of fresh coffee :)
[05:57] <Myrtti> I have the feeling something has been hosed in the last update since everyone is complaining about session management being broken
[06:00] <Myrtti> and/or gdm
[06:01] <tritium> Myrtti: you've seen multiple complaints?
[06:01] <Myrtti> there's been one people who complained that gnome-power-management started gazillion instances and made it impossible to login
[06:02] <Myrtti> then there's another who turned gdm off to login on cli and start x from there
[06:02] <tritium> hmm
[06:02] <Myrtti> and this is in xubuntu
[06:03] <Myrtti> my own webcam stopped working after the last update
[06:03] <tritium> And apparently a recent mysql upgrade broke mythweb, for those who use mythtv
[06:13] <Myrtti> ... which uses xfce
[06:13] <Myrtti> there's a pattern here but I'm not quite sure what it is
[06:13] <Myrtti> or then there is no pattern
[06:14] <tritium> indeed
[06:16] <Myrtti> this is werid
[06:16] <Myrtti> Finnish mirror doesn't respond, and one of the Swedish gives me 404
[06:17] <tritium> Strange days have found us.
[06:19] <Myrtti> an update to sudo?!?!
[06:20] <Myrtti> and here I am just helping someone to use sudo...
[06:21] <Myrtti> I certainly hope this isn't some, excuse me, fuckup with updates like in summer of 2006 with xorg
[06:21] <tritium> I guess we'll find out.
[06:23] <Myrtti> if bnagy has 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1...
[06:24] <tritium> He has the update you're referring to
[06:25] <Myrtti> ok, I'm not going to update that then myself quite yet
[06:25] <tritium> Nor am I.
[06:28] <tritium> gah, bnagy quit
[06:29] <Myrtti> nnnn
[06:29] <Myrtti> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/sudo/+bug/328964
[06:31] <tritium> So, the update addresses that, but may be causing another problem.
[06:31] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:31] <Myrtti> for gods sake
[06:31] <Myrtti> this is going to be a long day
[06:32] <tritium> It's nearly my bed time.  Hopefully all will be fixed by the time I wake up ;)
[06:33] <tritium> I'm somewhat tempted to upgrade sudo and see what happens.
[06:33] <tritium> Do I dare?
[06:35] <Myrtti> it's your Ubuntu ;-)
[06:35] <tritium> :)
[06:35] <tritium> I'm goign for it.
[06:35] <tritium> goign, even
[06:35] <Flannel> tritium: See you in a few days! :)
[06:36] <tritium> going, I mean
[06:36] <tritium> Flannel: ;)
[06:36] <tritium> Seemed to work.  sudo -i works with no issue
[06:37] <tritium> Yeah, I'm unaffected.
[06:37] <Myrtti> try some graphical app
[06:38] <tritium> System -> Administration -> Users and Groups works, and I was able to successfully unlock.
[06:38] <Myrtti> ok
[06:38] <Myrtti> so hopefully it isn't that
[06:39] <tritium> I'd guess not.
[06:41] <tritium> Let me try logging out, for fun.
[06:43] <tritium> Nope, I'm in good shape.
[06:49]  * Myrtti holds her breath
[06:50] <Myrtti> whoo
[06:50] <tritium> You updated too?
[06:50] <Myrtti> no, I was helping the person with sudo problems
[06:51] <Myrtti> he couldn't use su-to-root
[06:51] <Myrtti> ie. wifi-radar wouldn't launch
[06:51] <Myrtti> from the menu
[06:52] <tritium> Ah, in #xubuntu?
[06:52] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:52] <Myrtti> woo, he has a female linux instructor at school
[06:52] <tritium> linux instructor?
[06:53] <tritium> Fascinating...
[06:53] <Myrtti> who teaches networking and...
[06:53] <Myrtti> protocols
[06:53] <tritium> Ah
[06:54] <Myrtti> is that pHreaksYcle going to be a problem?
[06:54] <Myrtti> or has he shown signs of understanding before?
[06:55] <tritium> He's shown potential to go either way.
[06:55] <Myrtti> ok...
[06:55] <Myrtti> so we know to watch him after you've gone to bed
[06:55] <Myrtti> I need my coffee now though
[06:55] <Myrtti> and start working
[06:56] <Myrtti> I'm happy I got my good deed of the day done before it's even nine
[06:56] <tritium> Thanks, Myrtti.  :)
[07:07] <Flannel> No, the point was because you were whining about not hearing about how bad it was before you installed it.
[07:07] <Flannel> sigh
[07:11]  * Myrtti needs to pull away from IRC
[07:12] <tritium> Fun times
[07:25]  * tritium pulls Myrtti back to IRC
[07:34] <Flannel> weeee
[07:34] <Flannel> Here he comes!
[07:35] <jussi01> who?
[07:35] <Flannel> spree?  I was sure he'd be in here to argue.
[07:36] <Flannel> Howdy spree.  How can we help you today?
[07:36] <spree> Hi. I just got banned for reasons I don't understand at all. Flannel and tritium are out of control. Yes, I know you're both in here, Flannel and tritium 
[07:36] <spree> particularly tritium 
[07:37] <tritium> spree: you know exactly why you were first removed, and then banned.
[07:37] <spree> the channel user Daft_Punk stated that somebody was being unhelpful. I warned him that some people in #ubuntu can be that way, and by that i meant trolls and other disruptives
[07:38] <spree> tritium, I know that you have it in for me, really really hardcore and i don't know why.
[07:38] <tritium> spree: I don't "have it in" for anybody
[07:38] <tritium> I took exception to your expectation that we be responsible for your automatix problems.
[07:39] <spree> tritium, You do, you're taking it entirely personally, and you have had it in for me ever since i questioned your absolute negation of my existence when i mentioned the word Automatix. 
[07:39] <tritium> There is nothing about automatix for me to take personally.
[07:39] <spree> tritium, you have gone too far, I don't appreciate it, and I already heard you and I didn't say one single utterance of automatix after the first kick. 
[07:40] <tritium> Please go on about these false accusations of my "absolute negation" of your existence.
[07:40] <tritium> @login
[07:40] <tritium> @btlogin
[07:41] <spree> tritium, you are taking this personally. why? i said all of two lines in #ubuntu after the warning kick. One was waring the user daft_punk about the unhelpful trolls that are in #ubuntu, and there ARE. The second line was asking you to remain on topic, which you were NOT on topic.
[07:41] <tritium> spree: your ban was not related to automatix.  It was for your persistent foul attitude.
[07:42] <spree> "personal foul attitude". I request independent review, I do not believe I overstepped the bounds of the topic, and I believe that you did overstep the bounds of the topic, tritium.
[07:42] <spree> *persistent
[07:43] <tritium> Reminding you to stay on topic does not make me offtopic.  It's our job as ops to keep discussion focused on the topic of support.
[07:44] <spree> Daft_Punk> lvty, I do not know if that is your attempt at humor, or just plain bad advice, but I do not appreciate it. Thanks.  <spree> Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor
[07:44] <spree> For THAT, you ban me?
[07:44] <Flannel> spree: No, for that, he warned you.
[07:44] <spree> there's all kinds of malicious trolls in #ubuntu. did you think i was talking about you?
[07:45] <spree> see? it IS personal.
[07:45] <tritium> spree: I didn't ban you for that comment.
[07:45] <tritium> I warned you after that comment.
[07:45] <spree> No, you banned me for this comment  tritium> spree: drop the attitude spree> tritium, I don't know what you mean. Please stay on topic.
[07:46] <spree> I reminded you to stay on topic and you banned me. 
[07:46] <tritium> For that comment, given that you had 1) already been removed earlier, and 2) already been warned to stay on topic
[07:46] <spree> there's a great deal of irony there
[07:46] <jussi01> spree: Hi, after a quick read through, it seems you came in #ubuntu with a genuine issue, to get rid of automatix. However, after some comments advising you of how bad automatix is, you became sarcastic and I did not see a support question after that. 
[07:46] <spree> i was completely on topic.
[07:47] <spree> You, however, were not on topic.
[07:47] <tritium> spree: no, I've already stated it's our job to keep the discussion on topic.  that specifically requires us to give reminders like the one I gave you.
[07:47] <spree> jussi01, the warning kick was given, i discussed with Flannel regarding the topic, rejoined after doing so, and tritium had it in for me after that 
[07:48] <spree> i feel i could have said anything, it would have been arbitrary, and he would have still banned me.
[07:48] <tritium> spree: no, I didn't have it in for you.  You had been sufficiently warned.
[07:48] <spree> tritium, if you don't have it in for me, why are you in here trying to keep me out
[07:48] <jussi01> spree: can you explain how this is helpful in an ubuntu official support channel? [09:32:42] <spree> Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor
[07:49] <tritium> spree: I'm always in here
[07:49] <spree> I feel that's a fair question
[07:49] <spree> tritium, why are you trying to keep me out
[07:49] <tritium> spree: you're free to be here while we discuss this issue.  I'm not trying to keep you out.
[07:50] <tritium> 2009-02-18T07:17:05 <spree> i'm irritated at the lack of enthusiasm
[07:50] <tritium> Perhaps you're still irritated at the lack of enthusiasm for automatix
[07:50] <spree> If it's not personal, then why are you trying to keep me out? Clearly I'm not THAT bad, I made an error not knowing how hardcore the #ubuntu ops are against automatix, and after that you seem to have had it in for me. 
[07:51] <tritium> spree: You are the one taking things personally.  Nobody is out to get you.
[07:51] <tritium> You got irritated with us over our "lack of enthusiasm"
[07:51] <spree> You have it in for me right now. Look at you. Trying to take things I say out of context. I was saying I am irritated at the lack of the hacker spirit to figure things out. You simply shut me down completely and entirely, saying I am essentially doomed and threated me if i were to say one more thing to the contrary.
[07:51] <tritium> We explained why trying to help you remove automatix is more difficult than just reinstalling
[07:52] <tritium> There were no threats.  You're free to check the logs.
[07:52] <spree> tritium, "we"? No, Flannel was helpful, you were saying I am doomed and there is no help for me and I was stupid to install it.
[07:52] <tritium> Now, you've made enough false accusations against me.  We're done here.
[07:53] <spree> You reminded me I was wrong for installing it no less than 4 times. I already knew that, stated i knew it in the very first line of text, and you persisted
[07:53] <Flannel> spree: Automatix is a horrible piece of software.  It's also old and outdated.  I've spent countless hours trying to figure out clean ways to remove it, and I know better than to try.  The *easiest* way is to reinstall.  But, obviously since we have 'rm' we can *technically* remove it to some extent manually.  It's not a smart choice, since I'm sure your time is valuable.
[07:53] <tritium> I had thought you wanted to discuss this maturely and honestly.
[07:53] <spree> tritium, You accuse me of being dishonest now?
[07:53] <tritium> spree: your false accusations are exactly that -- dishonesty
[07:54] <spree> does anybody want to jump in here? any time
[07:54] <Flannel> spree: we *all* have spent countless hours trying to fix its horribleness.  Which is how we discovered it was so bad in the first place.
[07:54] <spree> tritium, I believe I am not only speaking the truth but also in the spirit of the truth. 
[07:54] <spree> Well maybe you shouldn't have jumped on me so hard. The both of you.
[07:54] <tritium> spree: believe what you want.  The channel logs will reveal I never threatened you, as you falsely claim
[07:55] <Flannel> spree: I never jumped on you
[07:55] <spree> Flannel, kicks say otherwise
[07:55] <spree> we already had this discussion Flannel it's dropped
[07:55] <spree> tritium persists
[07:56] <tritium> spree: only you persist.  I'm done.
[07:56] <spree> I want to be unbanned then i stop persisting. 
[07:56] <jussi01> spree: ok, enough now. going about it the way you are is never going to get you unbanned.
[07:57] <jussi01> spree: How I see it is, You had some discussions tending towards offtopic after the initial automatix issue. flannel removed you. 
[07:57] <jussi01> you said to me that you had a discussion with him regarding topic.
[07:58] <jussi01> (here) [09:47:51] <spree> jussi01, the warning kick was given, i discussed with Flannel regarding the topic, rejoined after doing so, and tritium had it in for me after that
[07:58] <spree> afterwards, upon having a private discussion with flannel, i rejoined and didn't really say anthing at all worthy of any sort of ban 
[07:58] <jussi01> then you continued offtopic with [09:32:42] <spree> Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor
[07:58] <spree> jussi01, it was entirely on topic.
[07:58] <spree> Shall we delve into that?
[07:59] <jussi01> spree: no. it has nothing to do with Ubuntu support.
[07:59] <spree> it has everything to do with ubuntu support
[07:59] <spree> the channel had malicious trolls in it who try to break your system
[07:59] <spree> *has
[08:00] <spree> so yes, caveat emptor, buyer beware
[08:00] <spree> in #ubuntu and numerous other channels i often ask a question several times at different times of the day to see if they agree
[08:01] <spree> i don't know why we're nitpicking so much. i had no malicious, sarcastic or other intention than providing daft_punk with the best advice possible.
[08:01] <spree> jussi01, 
[08:03] <jussi01> spree: What Im trying to get across is just that, from what Ive read, you have had a continual sarcasm towards any advice given to you. This I beleive is probably the main reason for your ban. Now here is what I plan to do. I want you to go and read the channel guidelines, then tomorrow you may come back and ask for your ban to be lifted. 
[08:03] <Daft_Punk> * Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned). Why was I banned from here?
[08:04] <jussi01> !guidelines | spree
[08:04] <tritium> Daft_Punk: from the logs, you said a naughty
 spree: nonsense <tritium> spree: it's not reasonable to demand support for random, third-party, unofficial software <tritium> spree: drop it. <tritium> spree: spare us, and stay on topic, please
[08:04] <Daft_Punk> tritium, ok how long is the ban
[08:04] <spree> Do you not see, tritium, how dismissive you are of me?
[08:04] <jussi01> spree: enough. do you agree to what I have asked?
[08:05] <tritium> spree: after your false accusations, for which you've not apologized, I have no business with you
[08:05] <tritium> Daft_Punk: not for me to say.  I didn't set the ban.
[08:06] <spree> jussi01, I agree, but I want you to know that I believe that tritium has behaved in a manner that is inappropriate. 
[08:06] <Daft_Punk> ok thanks
[08:06] <spree> jussi01, that being said, i comply.
[08:07] <jussi01> spree: thank you. see you tomorrow.
[08:07] <jussi01> tritium: who was the op in Daft_Punk's case?
[08:07] <Daft_Punk> I was just asking because I havn't been in that channel for a long time, and was not sure why I was banned
[08:07] <tritium> jussi01: topyli
[08:07] <Flannel> Daft_Punk: Since the third.
[08:08] <Daft_Punk> it's a long time to me
[08:08] <topyli> hmm
[08:08] <tritium> jussi01: before spree's ban is removed, it is my opinion he should acknowledge what *he* did wrong, and apologize
[08:08] <tritium> I don't take well to false accusations.
[08:10] <topyli> Daft_Punk: ok, looks like you took it as your business to break every rule one by one. you probably thought it would be fun
[08:10] <jussi01> tritium: understood. ( I only told him to come back tomorrow and ask for his ban to be lifted, not that it will)
[08:10] <tritium> jussi01: thanks
[08:11] <Daft_Punk> topyli, yeah i vaguely remember that, maybe i should just stay banned since i cant be a good boy
[08:11] <spree> Sorry, I thought we were finished.
[08:11] <topyli> Daft_Punk: you don't think you can?
[08:11] <Flannel> spree: Hmm?
[08:11] <Daft_Punk> spree, why are you telling me to go to other channels for help?
[08:11] <tritium> spree: no, I asked you back to make you aware of a few things
 We were not done.
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[08:11] <Flannel> Oh
[08:12] <tritium> spree: if you don't show remorse for what you've done, there will be little reason to remove your ban
[08:12] <Daft_Punk> sorry i typed that in the wrong window
[08:12] <tritium> That would include apologizing for false accusations, spree
[08:13] <tritium> Daft_Punk: did you see topyli's question above?
[08:13] <Daft_Punk> sorry
[08:14] <tritium> just checking
[08:14] <Daft_Punk> topyli, probably not, i get moody sometimes and would probably do something stupid again, i best take my BS to another server right? 
[08:14] <Flannel> Daft_Punk: Not at all.  We fully acknowledge that mistakes happen.  The question is how you learn from past mistakes, etc.
[08:15] <Daft_Punk> Flannel, my main concern was not knowing why I was banned, but thanks to the refresher here, i know why I was banned and probably deserved that, i wasn't asking to be unbanned...
[08:15] <tritium> spree: understood?
[08:15] <spree> tritium, I am not sorry. You are playing a power game, and I find it entirely against the entire spirit of the channel to apologize to you for something I have stated my case for, and have lost, and have received a sort of juris prudence in system that i can ask to be removed of the ban tomorrow.
[08:15] <topyli> Daft_Punk: the important thing here is the future. if you don't think you can respect our code of conduct, then yes it's not a good idea to come back
[08:16] <tritium> spree: you know what you've done, and if you're not sorry, the ban will remain
[08:16] <Daft_Punk> topyli, i am unpredictable, tonight i could be nice, but who knows about tomorrow right? it happened once, it might just happen again, the reason it wont happen in the main channel is because its support, not offtopic
[08:17] <spree> tritium, I feel that you are very much in the wrong, and you have further given momentum to my theory that you have it in for me.
[08:17] <topyli> Daft_Punk: i see it has happened twice. once on the main channel, once on -ot
[08:17] <Daft_Punk> i dont want to get involved here, but i felt that spree was being quite rude by telling me to go to other channels for support and saying #ubuntu has aids
[08:17] <Daft_Punk> topyli, oh really,  on main channel? sorry, please dont ban me :(
[08:17] <tritium> spree: you are very much in the wrong, particularly for claiming I threatened you.
[08:18] <spree> well, look at this right here
[08:18] <spree> tritium, you did, and very much so.
[08:18] <Flannel> Daft_Punk: you were already banned, actually.  And it was lifted.
[08:18] <topyli> Daft_Punk: that ban was in september
[08:18] <tritium> spree: wrong
[08:18] <Daft_Punk> oh ok
[08:20] <topyli> Daft_Punk: if you don't want to discuss your -ot ban further right now, please /part this channel since we need it as a working channel. can't have people idling here
[08:20] <tritium> spree: go cool off, and come back when you are capable of remorse
[08:22] <spree> tritium, I am not and will never be "remorseful" for something that is true. You did threaten me, belittle me, and now here you are trying your absolute hardest to ensure I somehow suffer as bad as you can possibly make me. Why is that?
[08:22] <spree> tritium, I have the feeling that you wish you could somehow extend your sphere of influence beyond that channel to have it in for me more.
[08:23] <tritium> spree: I will not tolerate your lying any longer.  Check the logs.  There were no such threats.
[08:24] <Flannel> tritium: You really shouldn't have called him back today.  Should've instead brought that up when he got back after cooling off.  He's *not* going to see something like that when he's still riled up.
[08:24] <tritium> Flannel: perhaps I shouldn't have
[08:27] <tritium> Nevertheless, he should take responsibility for his own actions.
[08:28] <Flannel> Of course.
[08:28] <Flannel> And a little less paranoia could serve him well.  But that could also be the nerves.
[08:29]  * ikonia fumes at panarchy's total lack of ability to understand ANYTHING
[08:30] <tritium> I'm going to go catch a few hours of sleep before work.  Good night.
[08:30] <Flannel> Night
[08:30] <Flannel> ikonia: Has he been back here recently?
[08:30] <jussi01> tritium: remove sprees ban in here ;)
[08:32] <tritium> jussi01: beat me to it
[08:33] <jussi01> tritium: hehe, yeah
[08:38] <ikonia> Flannel: not in #ubuntu - but I spent some much time with him yesterday explaining stuff, and why he was getting negative responses to he constanty questions
[08:38] <Flannel> Oh, he's unbanned in #u now?
[08:39] <ikonia> Flannel: no
[08:39] <Flannel> ikonia: It didn't sink in?
[08:39] <ikonia> Flannel: I spent ages with him yesterday - it sunk in for 15 seconds before he stopped doing it on IRC and took his behaviour to ubuntu forums
[08:39] <ikonia> I then explained that the same behaviour in ubuntu forums wasn't going to get him far
[08:39] <ikonia> so he started back up again in IRC
[08:39] <Flannel> ikonia: I applaud your efforts
[08:39] <ikonia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1072332
[08:40] <ikonia> I'm trying really hard to get him to just focus as he seems keen and it's a shame to waste it
[08:40] <ikonia> but he just can't grasp what is said to him
[08:40] <ikonia> or choses to ignore it and troll
[08:40] <ikonia> I can't decide what it is
[08:40] <ikonia> s/what/which 
[08:41] <Flannel> Unfortunately there are times its hard/impossible to tell.
[08:41] <ikonia> I can only assume it's a troll because I don't know how much more clear it can be made to him ?
[08:43] <Myrtti> @bansearch boshhead 
[08:45] <Flannel> ikonia: Well, one could argue that a disservice would be made if you allowed them back in the channel, even if they are completely innocent (and ignorant).  You've certainly put in enough effort to fix it if it was fixable.
[08:47] <ikonia> Flannel: hence why there is a ban on him
[08:48] <ikonia> @bansearch panarchy
[08:48] <ikonia> ooh he's had a go in .au too
[08:48] <ikonia> didn't know about that one
[08:48] <ikonia> oops in -ops
[08:48] <Myrtti> I think that should be removed
[08:48] <ikonia> not .au 
[08:48] <elky> dont go giving him ideas please
[08:48] <ikonia> that he's done ubuntu-au 
[08:48] <ikonia> ha ha
[08:49] <ikonia> I have no problem with him coming in here to tell us how much he listens 
[08:49] <elky> i'd actually be worried if he had the marbles to read the logs for here
[08:49] <ikonia> then spamming as much as he can 30 seconds after parting
[08:50] <Flannel> He's not banned in -ops
[08:50] <elky> ikonia, the thing is he's a network problem, and someone like christel or nalioth should be dealing with him, not us
[08:50] <elky> Flannel, he was temporarily at one point iirc
[08:50] <ikonia> 08:48 < ubottu> Match: panarchy!n=fo@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by elky in #ubuntu-ops on Feb 11 2009 09:04:21 (ID: 9929)
[08:50] <ikonia> Flannel: sure ?
[08:50] <Flannel> ikonia: That bansearch match is a mark
[08:50] <Flannel> **MARK** - see the log snapshot for spam and history of behaviour elsewhere
[08:50] <ikonia> Flannel: ahhh well spotted
[08:51] <ikonia> Flannel: did you use BT or could you tell that from @bansearch
[08:51] <Flannel> If theres absolutely no wildcards, its almost always a mark.  There'd be no point in fully spelling it out like that.
[08:51] <ikonia> Flannel: nice trick
[08:51] <elky> yeah, i had not noticed that
[08:52] <Flannel> (The *good* thing about marks doing everything is it makes them show up in lots of searches)
[08:52] <Flannel> including searches for IP and nick, etc
[08:52] <christel> elky: who's thr problem/what have they done? do they need a time-out?
[08:52] <elky> but yeah, panarchy can be removed from anywhere you want with as much permanence as you wish, and i'll support it until the cows come home
[08:53] <ikonia> it is getting tedious now
[08:53] <elky> christel, they're a general self-spamming pestilent creature who annoys the crap out of more than just us. talk to the ##windows crew too, and ikonia knows others
[08:53] <ikonia> his "distro" is just a "super ubuntu" image renamed to panarchy-0.9.iso
[08:54] <elky> ikonia, "super ubuntu"?
[08:54] <elky> do i even *want* to know?
[08:54] <ikonia> elky: another "UE" style re-spin
[08:54] <christel> ok lets see if a few days off makes him/her sit down and think for a moment
[08:54]  * elky suddenly wishes she was not on the ground floor. defenstrating has so little effect from this height.
[08:55] <elky> christel, thanks! :)
[08:55] <ikonia> christel: cool, he's got enthusiasm, it would just be nice if he could learn to focus it
[08:56] <ikonia> eg: learn how do do the task rather then blag to task so you can say "I'm the maintainer" or "my distro"
[08:57] <elky> i'm not optimistic about the rehabilitation, but the break is most welcome
[08:57] <ikonia> if his enthusiasm is genuine - it would be a shame to not exploit it, but as you I suspect it's just to be able to say "my distro" so I can sound l33t
[08:58] <ikonia> he's currently studing for CCIA/CCNA/MSCE/CCIE/etc etc that he has to do in 4 hours etc etc etc
[08:58] <christel> *nod*
[08:58] <Flannel> He's entirely unwilling to listen to the technical advice he was given regarding his questions.  So he just re-asks them over and over and over after being answered.
[08:58] <ikonia> Flannel: that's the bit that kills me
[08:59] <Flannel> ikonia: Yeah, and thats why he was removed in the first place.
[08:59] <ikonia> one of many
[08:59] <Flannel> If it weren't for that trait, his inability to follow the rest of the rules wouldn't have ever shown up.
[09:01] <ikonia> probably correct
[09:01] <Flannel> not that it matters
[09:01] <ikonia> nah
[09:33] <ikonia> crunchbag....ANOTHER ubuntu respin
[09:34] <ikonia> how many ubuntu+1package respin distros are there
[11:38] <plzdontkickizg00> is my ubuntu off topic ban over yet?
[11:39] <jussi01> plzdontkickizg00: who banned you and why and when?
[11:41] <plzdontkickizg00> dont remember who banned me, people there thought i was a troll
[11:41] <plzdontkickizg00> and then they accused me of ban evading
[11:44] <jussi01> ahh, you are nickchangertroll?
[11:44] <plzdontkickizg00> not sure, i've used lots of nicks there, must be me
[11:46] <bazhang> failtroll?
[11:46] <jussi01> yeah, Im looking at logs for a few different items from you. I think its best in this case to wait for the op (tonyyarruso) who banned you. Id suggest trying back here in about 6-8hours
[11:46] <plzdontkickizg00> ok
[11:46] <plzdontkickizg00> bye
[11:46] <jussi01> bye
[11:46] <jussi01> bazhang: yeah
[11:46] <bazhang> he was doing it in #u-f as well jussi01 
[12:06] <topyli> great nick
[12:08] <ikonia> 12:06 < friedpineapple> am i the only one here who wants a shinny solid aluminum gravestone with  a glowing apple logo after death?
[12:08] <ikonia> he' in ##apple now with another nick
[12:09] <ikonia> now trolling #ubuntuforums
[12:09] <Myrtti> lemme guess
[12:10] <Myrtti> "vBulletin is cruddy, I'd use phpBB or JIVE!" ;-)
[12:10] <ikonia> nah
[12:10] <ikonia> "mac users say linux is not ready for the desktop"
[12:10] <ikonia> blah
[12:10] <Myrtti> the usual, that is, then
[12:13] <ikonia> based on behaviour in ##apple ##mac #macdev and #ubuntuforums I'd suggest not removing the ban on this users for a while
[12:14] <ikonia> for the public log
[12:14] <ikonia> "hi log readers"
[12:15] <Myrtti> :-/
[12:18] <ikonia> 12:18 < friedpineapple> thats enough trollin for today folks, cya later
[12:18] <Myrtti> :-/ ^2
[12:19] <ikonia> yeah - I won't be suggesting that ban be removed for a while
[12:40] <beniwtv> Hi all... My IP is still graylisted, and I think it's part of a broader restriction, as my ISP is very small. Anyone can help?
[12:42] <ikonia> one moment beniwtv 
[12:43] <ikonia> @bansearch beniwtv
[12:43] <ikonia> beniwtv: yes you appear correct - I'd need to speak to LJL or someone else who knows why this range is grey listed
[12:43] <beniwtv> ikonia: heh... They restricted half of Spain :P Many IP's have 80.23*
[12:44] <ikonia> beniwtv: it would seem because of a lot of spam
[12:46] <beniwtv> ikonia: I believe you - my ISP is very small, and using telefonica's network (a very big one here), so I guess the restriction was for part of their network.
[12:46] <ikonia> it would seem that way
[13:37] <ikonia> beniwtv: I can only suggest you come back at a later date when someone who is aware of the current status of this greylist can help
[13:39] <beniwtv> ikonia: k, thanks for the info anyways
[14:24]  * genii sips
[14:36] <genii> Myrtti: I think you're right about session management break or similar. I've seen now maybe a dozen cases of ppl keep getting kicked back to the login screen
[14:42] <ikonia> Pici: you around ?
[15:36] <genii> Myrtti: Bah. Another one of those gdm cases in #x
[15:37] <Myrtti> noted
[15:44] <Myrtti> I know deleting .config/xfce4-session helps
[15:44] <Myrtti> but this is part of a bigger problem
[15:48] <Myrtti> ok.
[15:49] <Myrtti> 1) it has automated/timed login
[15:50] <Myrtti> [17:44] < Myrtti> have you guys noticed that after latest updates there's 
[15:50] <Myrtti>                   increasing number of people in #xubuntu, that have their 
[15:50] <Myrtti>                   session management broken
[15:50] <Myrtti> [17:48] < charlie-tca> It's not just us. Ubuntu is having problems too. 
[15:50] <Myrtti>                        Something spawns a ton of desktops. delete 
[15:50] <Myrtti>                        ~/.cache/sessions and ~/.config/xfce4-session and 
[15:50] <ubot3> Myrtti: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:50] <Myrtti>                        restart the system
[15:50] <Myrtti> bollocks
[15:51]  * Myrtti crawls to a hiding place
[15:56] <genii> Yes, exactly.
[15:59] <Myrtti> genii: we're at #ubuntu-release
[15:59] <Myrtti> if you have noticed something that forms a pattern...
[16:00] <ikonia> just having a noosiey in there
[16:00] <genii> Guess I'll peek in there
[16:00] <Myrtti> it's not logged!
[16:00] <Myrtti> omg
[16:00] <Myrtti> I wonder why
[16:01] <genii> Did they freeze yet?
[16:01]  * ikonia swears
[16:01] <ikonia> can't get me - not logged
[16:06] <genii> This sy fellow in #k may get to be a prob, but work is running me back and forth to computer right now, can't keep proper eye on it
[16:21] <Myrtti> are they *all* using wubi?
[16:34] <Pici> ikonia: I am now.
[17:16] <Pici> hrm.
[17:26] <Myrtti> hrm
[17:26] <Myrtti> indeed
[17:45] <Pici> !1sustainableresource
[17:45] <Pici> o.O
[17:46] <Pici> ubottu: forget 1sustainableresource
[17:50] <mneptok> !anything_at_all
[17:50] <mneptok> :(
[17:51] <mneptok> *patpat*
[17:51] <Pici> !nothing
[17:51] <Pici> !anything
[17:51] <Mez> !broken
[17:51] <Mez> !broken is <alias> nothing
[17:56] <genii> Cleaning up factoids?
[18:02] <Myrtti> I HATE SEAHORSE
[18:04] <mneptok> *patpat*
[18:05] <Tm_T> don't use it=
[18:15] <Myrtti> Tm_T: shuddup :-/
[18:16] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hmm, you have to?
[18:17] <Myrtti> Tm_T: apt-cache rdepends seahorse
[18:18] <Tm_T> crab!
[18:18] <Tm_T> lobsters!
[18:18] <Myrtti> mussels and fish.
[18:19] <mneptok> nuzzle my eel.
[18:20]  * Myrtti larts mneptok 
[18:21] <mneptok> that's ... not nuzzling.
[18:21] <mneptok> but i'll take what i can get. :P
[18:21] <Pici> I was concidering replacing nuzzling with muzzling, but was afraid you'd enjoy it too much.
[18:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Can someone verify that grub ignores the boot flag on the drive?
[19:03] <Pici> @bansearch pop79
[19:11] <pop79> hi. why, whenever i go to #ubuntu, do I get directed here?
[19:11] <pop79> i mean, why
[19:23] <pop79> Hi, why am i getting directed to #ubuntu-ops when I try to get to #ubuntu?
[19:23] <Myrtti> let's see.
[19:23] <mneptok> @login
[19:23] <mneptok> @btlogin
[19:24] <pop79> What should I do?
[19:25] <mneptok> 2009-02-15T18:50:01 * pop79 is Irish, what's wrong with that?
[19:25] <mneptok> 2009-02-15T18:50:08 <Myrtti> pop79: LET IT GO
[19:25] <pop79> oh, oops
[19:25] <mneptok> this conversation seems to be the cause of the problem.
[19:26] <Myrtti> mneptok: just one of the several issues
[19:26] <mneptok> pop79: you know the o4o factoid?
[19:26] <pop79> Yep
[19:26] <mneptok> !o4o > pop79 
[19:26] <mneptok> pop79: take a few moments to re-acquaint yourself.
[19:26] <pop79> sorry, i didn't mean to harm anyone
[19:27] <Myrtti> pop79: I saw you redirecting people with problems at #ubuntu to such channels as #pop79-fstab
[19:27] <Myrtti> why?
[19:27] <pop79> I just wanted to help people, but I suppose #ubuntu should do that
[19:27] <pop79> im sorry, hands on heart
[19:28] <Myrtti> !pm
[19:28] <pop79> It won't ever, EVER happen again, i promise
[19:28] <pop79> ok
[19:28] <pop79> Ill take it on board
[19:28] <Myrtti> that's usually given to people who pm people at random
[19:28] <pop79> ok
[19:28] <mneptok> pop79: FYI, i was the very first person Mark Shuttleworth hired to provide support for Ubuntu. you'll note there is no #mneptok channel, and i exclusively help people on official channels and in private message after confirming that's OK.
[19:28] <Myrtti> but it also says why directing people to small channels, managed by you yourself, is not a good idea
[19:29] <mneptok> pop79: if *i* don't need a special channel, you sure don't. ;)
[19:29] <pop79> ok :)
[19:29] <mneptok> pop79: not that i'm anything special, mind you. just sayin' ....
[19:29] <pop79> OK, i understand
[19:29]  * Myrtti slaps mneptok between shoulderblades
[19:29] <mneptok> superb.
[19:29] <Myrtti> our speshul mneptok.
[19:30] <mneptok> pop79: it's Myrtti's ban. it's her decision. but i can assure you that playing by the same rules as everyone else goes a *loooooong* way. ;)
[19:30] <pop79> OK
[19:30] <Myrtti> mneptok: tsktsk
[19:30] <Myrtti> @bansearch pop79 
[19:31] <pop79> huh, tut, ..., there was actually help i needed right now
[19:31]  * Myrtti has nothing to do with it
[19:31]  * pop79 didn't mean to hurt anyone :*
[19:31] <Myrtti> ikonia, you around?
[19:31] <pop79> :(
[19:31] <pop79> try to ping her.
[19:32] <Myrtti> him, in this case
[19:32] <pop79> or him
[19:32] <pop79> yea :)
[19:32] <Myrtti> pop79: and I just did, by mentioning his nick
[19:32] <pop79> OK
[19:32] <pop79> maybe she isn't there. :(
[19:34]  * pop79 confesses to all damage done.
[19:34]  * Myrtti looks at mneptok
[19:34]  * pop79 is so sorry, he'd do anything
[19:35]  * mneptok blends into the couch
[19:35] <pop79> ikonia: Ya there?
[19:35] <pop79> lol :)
[19:36] <mneptok> the maestro is decomposing.
[19:36] <Myrtti> pop79: I'm going to use my own judgement here
[19:36] <pop79> ok
[19:36] <Myrtti> this means, that I'm going to lift the ban
[19:36] <Myrtti> but
[19:37] <Myrtti> (and this goes for *everyone* who has ever been banned and are caught doing something banworthy again=
[19:37] <Myrtti> )
[19:37] <pop79> Yes...
[19:37] <Myrtti> next time you end up here to be talked to about your behaviour, it's not going to be this pretty.
[19:37] <mneptok> fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, you're dead.
[19:38] <pop79> ok, thank you sooooo much! Ill never forget how nice you are!
[19:38] <pop79> it isn't lifted... :(
[19:38] <topyli> cupcakes would be in order!
[19:38] <Myrtti> pop79: you can now rejoin
[19:38] <pop79> Thank you soo much!
[19:39] <pop79> :) :) :)
[19:39] <mneptok> topyli: what did you call me?
[19:39] <topyli> "master"
[19:39] <pop79> thank you, bye now!
[19:39] <topyli> what did you hear?
[19:40] <mneptok> "cupcake"
[19:40] <mneptok> and i thought it meant that you had finally acknowledged your true feelings for me. and i got a bit choked up.
[19:40] <topyli> must be the swedes censoring my international traffic from keywords
[19:40] <mneptok> and now i realize you're the same bitter, spiteful, hateful man you have always been.
[19:40] <mneptok> *sniff*
[19:41] <topyli> it wasn't me, it was the *swedes* i swear
[19:41] <Myrtti> @mark pop79 removed the ban. If he really is 10yr (as I believe he is based on his behaviour), some extra slack is in my opinion granted, but follow the usual procedure in escalating the case if he ends up to be talked with at -ops.
[19:41] <mneptok> or Norwegians as the cable heads out to Canada.
[19:42] <mneptok> "Never attribute to malicious intent that which can be explained by lutefisk."
[19:42]  * Myrtti slaps mneptok with a kyykkä bat.
[19:42] <Myrtti> oops, sorry.
[19:42] <topyli> oh you seem to be well informed
[19:42] <Myrtti> swedes as in beets? ;-=
[19:42] <Myrtti> bwahaha
[19:43] <topyli> i can hear mneptok googling for "kyykkä" way over here
[19:43] <mneptok> why? i figure it's a cognate with "caca"
[19:43] <mneptok> and that defintiion fits current usage ;)
[19:44] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyykk%C3%A4
[19:46] <topyli> even olympic scoreboards in the 70s used to at least try "kyykkaeae". now our protocols have degenerated to that. "kyykk%C3%A4"
[19:59] <ikonia> Myrtti: thanks
[20:35] <ikonia> @bansearch Guest17074
[20:35] <ikonia> I know that real name
[20:36] <Pici> eric?
[20:37] <ikonia> Eric Bischoff
[20:37] <Pici> o
[20:37] <ikonia> Pici: updated the raid installation wiki page - almost finished the "convertaing and existing system to raid" page then I'll work on the overview
[20:37] <ikonia> Pici: care to check it see if it matches a better instruction
[20:45] <Pici> ikonia: Looks good
[20:46] <ikonia> Pici: good good, two more wiki pages - maybe three to include lvm then I feel it will be quite complete 
[20:46] <ikonia> as an overall topic
[20:49] <Pici> ikonia: fyi lvm process may be changing with Jaunty
[20:49] <ikonia> Pici: but LVM as a tool doesn't
[20:49] <ikonia> Pici: just config to be the way it's setup - which is easy to update
[20:49] <ikonia> the overall overview will be the same
[20:50] <Pici> Ah, okay
[20:51] <ikonia> plus that's only 1 page out of 4 - so shouldn't be too bad to update a chapter
[20:51] <ikonia> but appriciate the heads up - the 9.04 build I've got uses lvm in exactly the same way as before
[20:53] <Pici> I saw an email recently about install changes in regards to lvm: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027398.html
[20:53] <ikonia> I may need to re-install see if they have made changes
[21:00] <mneptok> topyli: Olympic scoreboards in the 70s had yet to encounter Matti Nykanen. that changed *everything*.
[21:00] <Myrtti> Marja-Liisa Hämäläinen
[21:01] <mneptok> HAI HAI HAI. I AM A SAMURAI!
[21:01]  * ikonia bows
[21:02] <topyli> poor marja-liisa had to marry for name beautification purposes
[21:02] <Myrtti> haemaelaenen
[21:05] <mneptok> gesundheit
[22:42] <Myrtti> genii: ♥ http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6jluj_le-cafe-oldelaf-english-subtitles_music
[22:44] <fde> Could someone pay attention to DigitalKiwi in #ubuntu ... seems to be a troll based on statements like: <DigitalKiwi> lolbuntu-server and DigitalKiwi> because the cube is fail ;) after someone asked about a Compiz issue
[22:44] <fde> Thank you
[23:54] <Myrtti> !opsnack
[23:54] <Myrtti> !opsnack | Myrtti
[23:54] <Myrtti> !opsnack > Myrtti
[23:54] <Myrtti> like... umm... WTF?!