[00:27] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:27] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:31] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:31] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:50] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:50] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:50] think it's one person or more ? [00:51] jrib: must be a school vacation or something [00:51] Its half term in the UK. That's a us address thuogh. [00:52] proxy proxy procy [00:52] proxy [00:52] bleh bleh [00:55] In ubottu, jacob said: no ops-#ubuntuforums is Help! Compiledkernel p_quarles PmDematagoda Vorian bapoumba zenrox byen frodon KiwiNZ ubuntu_demon Brunellus panickedthumb zenwhen kmandla ubuntugeek TechnoViking bodhizazen HymnToLife jacob macogw jenda jdong PriceChild sdennie Joeb454 Artificial wieman01 sef_d_geek Rocket2DMn! [00:55] hah [00:56] ow! [00:56] *checks his regex for panic-on-ops* [01:01] * genii sips [01:14] <_VIM_> might wanna keep watch for this guy, he keeps CTCP flooding the chan, and saying "testing" every few minutes under various nicks...17:13 -!- rvgeelen [n=rvgeelen@dhcp-077-250-188-037.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit] [01:29] Kavon_bb called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [01:32] jdong: grant-a ^ [01:32] ain't he just the one [01:32] Pricey: you're kidding. [01:33] well have fun [01:33] grant-a entering in 3...2... ? [01:33] does he belong to jdong now? Twice I've seen people pointing him at grant now :) [01:33] I'll send him a /msg later perhaps. [01:33] nickrud: I was the first one to call him out. [01:33] and the first one he wagered war against in here. [01:33] no good deed goes unpunished [01:35] what was he saying this time that ticked everyone off? [01:37] something about anti-americanism being racism or some such. It wasn't very clear [01:38] heh. [01:38] Interesting. Quoting Mark Twain now on censorship in #u-o [01:38] his political talks are more painful than his tech talks. [01:38] the only thing that gets more cringe-y is his science-talk. [01:39] I saw enough of his slippery rationalization while reading back here, thank you. I don't need much more [01:40] what, no call against censorship? [02:16] Looks like someones testing their bot in #u [02:16] kemrinh2/kemrinh [02:22] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:22] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:32] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:32] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [02:46] Interesting that the floodbot does a !netsplit to sort of explain what just happened,,,,, [02:53] used to be a bunch of manual !netsplits after a split; someone musta got tired of it [02:54] * genii puts a tasty cookie on stdin's plate for when he gets back [04:48] Good evening. [04:49] oh IS IT?! [04:49] oh ... excuse me. [04:49] (red pill in evening. RED pill.) [04:49] * genii makes mneptok's next coffee a decaf [04:50] Hortons! [04:50] Er, Tim Hortons [04:50] tritium: Heh, yes. [04:50] Always fresh. Always Tim Horton's. [04:51] or around here, "Teemz" [04:52] mneptok: Is this some Tim Horton's brach in Tijuana? ;) [04:52] genii: worse. Quebec. [04:52] Aaaaaaaah [04:53] wait, i meant "exaaaactly" [04:53] mneptok: isn't there a super fancy McDonald's in Montreal? [04:53] tritium: not that i've seen, but McD's is a rarity with me. [04:53] I thougth I saw something on the Food Network, or some other show. [04:53] * tritium googles [04:55] http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080109164150AAAgA88 [04:55] I wonder if the Montreal McDonalds has poutine [04:55] Alexis-Nihon? [04:56] (that's ~5 blocks away) [04:56] Yeah, it was the Travel Channel. [04:58] http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.489246,-73.585492&spn=0.001237,0.00235&z=19 [04:59] we live here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.483008,-73.577784&spn=0.001237,0.00235&z=19 [05:00] i think only the menu is fancy. the resto itself is pretty ordinary, from what i have seen. [05:00] Ah, ok. [05:00] Interesting [05:02] that shopping mall occupies what used to be the Forum, home of the Canadiens [05:04] * genii secretly roots for the Leafs [05:05] genii: i'm not a Habs fan. i actualyl have it worse than you. raised in Hartford, CT. [05:05] mneptok: My condolences [05:05] at least the Leafs pretend they can win. [05:06] damned Whalers move to Carolina and win the Cup inside 2 years. bah. [05:06] at least we have the best fight ever in hockey to brag about [05:08] genii: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_xproK4-j8 [05:08] and with that, bed. [05:09] Gnite :) [05:09] night, mneptok [05:56] * genii prepares a fresh pot of coffee before /away [05:56] mmmmm [05:56] nomnom [05:57] genii: you're my never-ending supply of fresh coffee :) [05:57] I have the feeling something has been hosed in the last update since everyone is complaining about session management being broken [06:00] and/or gdm [06:01] Myrtti: you've seen multiple complaints? [06:01] there's been one people who complained that gnome-power-management started gazillion instances and made it impossible to login [06:02] then there's another who turned gdm off to login on cli and start x from there [06:02] hmm [06:02] and this is in xubuntu [06:03] my own webcam stopped working after the last update [06:03] And apparently a recent mysql upgrade broke mythweb, for those who use mythtv [06:13] ... which uses xfce [06:13] there's a pattern here but I'm not quite sure what it is [06:13] or then there is no pattern [06:14] indeed [06:16] this is werid [06:16] Finnish mirror doesn't respond, and one of the Swedish gives me 404 [06:17] Strange days have found us. [06:19] an update to sudo?!?! [06:20] and here I am just helping someone to use sudo... [06:21] I certainly hope this isn't some, excuse me, fuckup with updates like in summer of 2006 with xorg [06:21] I guess we'll find out. [06:23] if bnagy has 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1... [06:24] He has the update you're referring to [06:25] ok, I'm not going to update that then myself quite yet [06:25] Nor am I. [06:28] gah, bnagy quit [06:29] nnnn [06:29] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/sudo/+bug/328964 [06:29] Ubuntu bug 328964 in sudo "[CVE-2009-0034] For some non-standard /etc/sudoers root escalation is possible" [Undecided,Fix released] [06:31] So, the update addresses that, but may be causing another problem. [06:31] yeah [06:31] for gods sake [06:31] this is going to be a long day [06:32] It's nearly my bed time. Hopefully all will be fixed by the time I wake up ;) [06:33] I'm somewhat tempted to upgrade sudo and see what happens. [06:33] Do I dare? [06:35] it's your Ubuntu ;-) [06:35] :) [06:35] I'm goign for it. [06:35] goign, even [06:35] tritium: See you in a few days! :) [06:36] going, I mean [06:36] Flannel: ;) [06:36] Seemed to work. sudo -i works with no issue [06:37] Yeah, I'm unaffected. [06:37] try some graphical app [06:38] System -> Administration -> Users and Groups works, and I was able to successfully unlock. [06:38] ok [06:38] so hopefully it isn't that [06:39] I'd guess not. [06:41] Let me try logging out, for fun. [06:43] Nope, I'm in good shape. [06:49] * Myrtti holds her breath [06:50] whoo [06:50] You updated too? [06:50] no, I was helping the person with sudo problems [06:51] he couldn't use su-to-root [06:51] ie. wifi-radar wouldn't launch [06:51] from the menu [06:52] Ah, in #xubuntu? [06:52] yeah [06:52] woo, he has a female linux instructor at school [06:52] linux instructor? [06:53] Fascinating... [06:53] who teaches networking and... [06:53] protocols [06:53] Ah [06:54] is that pHreaksYcle going to be a problem? [06:54] or has he shown signs of understanding before? [06:55] He's shown potential to go either way. [06:55] ok... [06:55] so we know to watch him after you've gone to bed [06:55] I need my coffee now though [06:55] and start working [06:56] I'm happy I got my good deed of the day done before it's even nine [06:56] Thanks, Myrtti. :) [07:07] No, the point was because you were whining about not hearing about how bad it was before you installed it. [07:07] sigh [07:11] * Myrtti needs to pull away from IRC [07:12] Fun times [07:25] * tritium pulls Myrtti back to IRC [07:34] weeee [07:34] Here he comes! [07:35] who? [07:35] spree? I was sure he'd be in here to argue. [07:36] Howdy spree. How can we help you today? [07:36] Hi. I just got banned for reasons I don't understand at all. Flannel and tritium are out of control. Yes, I know you're both in here, Flannel and tritium [07:36] particularly tritium [07:37] spree: you know exactly why you were first removed, and then banned. [07:37] the channel user Daft_Punk stated that somebody was being unhelpful. I warned him that some people in #ubuntu can be that way, and by that i meant trolls and other disruptives [07:38] tritium, I know that you have it in for me, really really hardcore and i don't know why. [07:38] spree: I don't "have it in" for anybody [07:38] I took exception to your expectation that we be responsible for your automatix problems. [07:39] tritium, You do, you're taking it entirely personally, and you have had it in for me ever since i questioned your absolute negation of my existence when i mentioned the word Automatix. [07:39] There is nothing about automatix for me to take personally. [07:39] tritium, you have gone too far, I don't appreciate it, and I already heard you and I didn't say one single utterance of automatix after the first kick. [07:40] Please go on about these false accusations of my "absolute negation" of your existence. [07:40] @login [07:40] The operation succeeded. [07:40] @btlogin [07:41] tritium, you are taking this personally. why? i said all of two lines in #ubuntu after the warning kick. One was waring the user daft_punk about the unhelpful trolls that are in #ubuntu, and there ARE. The second line was asking you to remain on topic, which you were NOT on topic. [07:41] spree: your ban was not related to automatix. It was for your persistent foul attitude. [07:42] "personal foul attitude". I request independent review, I do not believe I overstepped the bounds of the topic, and I believe that you did overstep the bounds of the topic, tritium. [07:42] *persistent [07:43] Reminding you to stay on topic does not make me offtopic. It's our job as ops to keep discussion focused on the topic of support. [07:44] Daft_Punk> lvty, I do not know if that is your attempt at humor, or just plain bad advice, but I do not appreciate it. Thanks. Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor [07:44] For THAT, you ban me? [07:44] spree: No, for that, he warned you. [07:44] there's all kinds of malicious trolls in #ubuntu. did you think i was talking about you? [07:45] see? it IS personal. [07:45] spree: I didn't ban you for that comment. [07:45] I warned you after that comment. [07:45] No, you banned me for this comment tritium> spree: drop the attitude spree> tritium, I don't know what you mean. Please stay on topic. [07:46] I reminded you to stay on topic and you banned me. [07:46] For that comment, given that you had 1) already been removed earlier, and 2) already been warned to stay on topic [07:46] there's a great deal of irony there [07:46] spree: Hi, after a quick read through, it seems you came in #ubuntu with a genuine issue, to get rid of automatix. However, after some comments advising you of how bad automatix is, you became sarcastic and I did not see a support question after that. [07:46] i was completely on topic. [07:47] You, however, were not on topic. [07:47] spree: no, I've already stated it's our job to keep the discussion on topic. that specifically requires us to give reminders like the one I gave you. [07:47] jussi01, the warning kick was given, i discussed with Flannel regarding the topic, rejoined after doing so, and tritium had it in for me after that [07:48] i feel i could have said anything, it would have been arbitrary, and he would have still banned me. [07:48] spree: no, I didn't have it in for you. You had been sufficiently warned. [07:48] tritium, if you don't have it in for me, why are you in here trying to keep me out [07:48] spree: can you explain how this is helpful in an ubuntu official support channel? [09:32:42] Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor [07:49] spree: I'm always in here [07:49] I feel that's a fair question [07:49] tritium, why are you trying to keep me out [07:49] spree: you're free to be here while we discuss this issue. I'm not trying to keep you out. [07:50] 2009-02-18T07:17:05 i'm irritated at the lack of enthusiasm [07:50] Perhaps you're still irritated at the lack of enthusiasm for automatix [07:50] If it's not personal, then why are you trying to keep me out? Clearly I'm not THAT bad, I made an error not knowing how hardcore the #ubuntu ops are against automatix, and after that you seem to have had it in for me. [07:51] spree: You are the one taking things personally. Nobody is out to get you. [07:51] You got irritated with us over our "lack of enthusiasm" [07:51] You have it in for me right now. Look at you. Trying to take things I say out of context. I was saying I am irritated at the lack of the hacker spirit to figure things out. You simply shut me down completely and entirely, saying I am essentially doomed and threated me if i were to say one more thing to the contrary. [07:51] We explained why trying to help you remove automatix is more difficult than just reinstalling [07:52] There were no threats. You're free to check the logs. [07:52] tritium, "we"? No, Flannel was helpful, you were saying I am doomed and there is no help for me and I was stupid to install it. [07:52] Now, you've made enough false accusations against me. We're done here. [07:53] You reminded me I was wrong for installing it no less than 4 times. I already knew that, stated i knew it in the very first line of text, and you persisted [07:53] spree: Automatix is a horrible piece of software. It's also old and outdated. I've spent countless hours trying to figure out clean ways to remove it, and I know better than to try. The *easiest* way is to reinstall. But, obviously since we have 'rm' we can *technically* remove it to some extent manually. It's not a smart choice, since I'm sure your time is valuable. [07:53] I had thought you wanted to discuss this maturely and honestly. [07:53] tritium, You accuse me of being dishonest now? [07:53] spree: your false accusations are exactly that -- dishonesty [07:54] does anybody want to jump in here? any time [07:54] spree: we *all* have spent countless hours trying to fix its horribleness. Which is how we discovered it was so bad in the first place. [07:54] tritium, I believe I am not only speaking the truth but also in the spirit of the truth. [07:54] Well maybe you shouldn't have jumped on me so hard. The both of you. [07:54] spree: believe what you want. The channel logs will reveal I never threatened you, as you falsely claim [07:55] spree: I never jumped on you [07:55] Flannel, kicks say otherwise [07:55] we already had this discussion Flannel it's dropped [07:55] tritium persists [07:56] spree: only you persist. I'm done. [07:56] I want to be unbanned then i stop persisting. [07:56] spree: ok, enough now. going about it the way you are is never going to get you unbanned. [07:57] spree: How I see it is, You had some discussions tending towards offtopic after the initial automatix issue. flannel removed you. [07:57] you said to me that you had a discussion with him regarding topic. [07:58] (here) [09:47:51] jussi01, the warning kick was given, i discussed with Flannel regarding the topic, rejoined after doing so, and tritium had it in for me after that [07:58] afterwards, upon having a private discussion with flannel, i rejoined and didn't really say anthing at all worthy of any sort of ban [07:58] then you continued offtopic with [09:32:42] Daft_Punk, you'll get a lot of that around here, caveat emptor [07:58] jussi01, it was entirely on topic. [07:58] Shall we delve into that? [07:59] spree: no. it has nothing to do with Ubuntu support. [07:59] it has everything to do with ubuntu support [07:59] the channel had malicious trolls in it who try to break your system [07:59] *has [08:00] so yes, caveat emptor, buyer beware [08:00] in #ubuntu and numerous other channels i often ask a question several times at different times of the day to see if they agree [08:01] i don't know why we're nitpicking so much. i had no malicious, sarcastic or other intention than providing daft_punk with the best advice possible. [08:01] jussi01, [08:03] spree: What Im trying to get across is just that, from what Ive read, you have had a continual sarcasm towards any advice given to you. This I beleive is probably the main reason for your ban. Now here is what I plan to do. I want you to go and read the channel guidelines, then tomorrow you may come back and ask for your ban to be lifted. [08:03] * Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned). Why was I banned from here? [08:04] !guidelines | spree [08:04] spree: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [08:04] Daft_Punk: from the logs, you said a naughty [08:04] spree: nonsense spree: it's not reasonable to demand support for random, third-party, unofficial software spree: drop it. spree: spare us, and stay on topic, please [08:04] tritium, ok how long is the ban [08:04] Do you not see, tritium, how dismissive you are of me? [08:04] spree: enough. do you agree to what I have asked? [08:05] spree: after your false accusations, for which you've not apologized, I have no business with you [08:05] Daft_Punk: not for me to say. I didn't set the ban. [08:06] jussi01, I agree, but I want you to know that I believe that tritium has behaved in a manner that is inappropriate. [08:06] ok thanks [08:06] jussi01, that being said, i comply. [08:07] spree: thank you. see you tomorrow. [08:07] tritium: who was the op in Daft_Punk's case? [08:07] I was just asking because I havn't been in that channel for a long time, and was not sure why I was banned [08:07] jussi01: topyli [08:07] Daft_Punk: Since the third. [08:08] it's a long time to me [08:08] hmm [08:08] jussi01: before spree's ban is removed, it is my opinion he should acknowledge what *he* did wrong, and apologize [08:08] I don't take well to false accusations. [08:10] Daft_Punk: ok, looks like you took it as your business to break every rule one by one. you probably thought it would be fun [08:10] tritium: understood. ( I only told him to come back tomorrow and ask for his ban to be lifted, not that it will) [08:10] jussi01: thanks [08:11] topyli, yeah i vaguely remember that, maybe i should just stay banned since i cant be a good boy [08:11] Sorry, I thought we were finished. [08:11] Daft_Punk: you don't think you can? [08:11] spree: Hmm? [08:11] spree, why are you telling me to go to other channels for help? [08:11] spree: no, I asked you back to make you aware of a few things [08:11] We were not done. [08:11] re-join #ubuntu-ops [08:11] Oh [08:12] spree: if you don't show remorse for what you've done, there will be little reason to remove your ban [08:12] sorry i typed that in the wrong window [08:12] That would include apologizing for false accusations, spree [08:13] Daft_Punk: did you see topyli's question above? [08:13] sorry [08:14] just checking [08:14] topyli, probably not, i get moody sometimes and would probably do something stupid again, i best take my BS to another server right? [08:14] Daft_Punk: Not at all. We fully acknowledge that mistakes happen. The question is how you learn from past mistakes, etc. [08:15] Flannel, my main concern was not knowing why I was banned, but thanks to the refresher here, i know why I was banned and probably deserved that, i wasn't asking to be unbanned... [08:15] spree: understood? [08:15] tritium, I am not sorry. You are playing a power game, and I find it entirely against the entire spirit of the channel to apologize to you for something I have stated my case for, and have lost, and have received a sort of juris prudence in system that i can ask to be removed of the ban tomorrow. [08:15] Daft_Punk: the important thing here is the future. if you don't think you can respect our code of conduct, then yes it's not a good idea to come back [08:16] spree: you know what you've done, and if you're not sorry, the ban will remain [08:16] topyli, i am unpredictable, tonight i could be nice, but who knows about tomorrow right? it happened once, it might just happen again, the reason it wont happen in the main channel is because its support, not offtopic [08:17] tritium, I feel that you are very much in the wrong, and you have further given momentum to my theory that you have it in for me. [08:17] Daft_Punk: i see it has happened twice. once on the main channel, once on -ot [08:17] i dont want to get involved here, but i felt that spree was being quite rude by telling me to go to other channels for support and saying #ubuntu has aids [08:17] topyli, oh really, on main channel? sorry, please dont ban me :( [08:17] spree: you are very much in the wrong, particularly for claiming I threatened you. [08:18] well, look at this right here [08:18] tritium, you did, and very much so. [08:18] Daft_Punk: you were already banned, actually. And it was lifted. [08:18] Daft_Punk: that ban was in september [08:18] spree: wrong [08:18] oh ok [08:20] Daft_Punk: if you don't want to discuss your -ot ban further right now, please /part this channel since we need it as a working channel. can't have people idling here [08:20] spree: go cool off, and come back when you are capable of remorse [08:22] tritium, I am not and will never be "remorseful" for something that is true. You did threaten me, belittle me, and now here you are trying your absolute hardest to ensure I somehow suffer as bad as you can possibly make me. Why is that? [08:22] tritium, I have the feeling that you wish you could somehow extend your sphere of influence beyond that channel to have it in for me more. [08:23] spree: I will not tolerate your lying any longer. Check the logs. There were no such threats. [08:24] tritium: You really shouldn't have called him back today. Should've instead brought that up when he got back after cooling off. He's *not* going to see something like that when he's still riled up. [08:24] Flannel: perhaps I shouldn't have [08:27] Nevertheless, he should take responsibility for his own actions. [08:28] Of course. [08:28] And a little less paranoia could serve him well. But that could also be the nerves. [08:29] * ikonia fumes at panarchy's total lack of ability to understand ANYTHING [08:30] I'm going to go catch a few hours of sleep before work. Good night. [08:30] Night [08:30] ikonia: Has he been back here recently? [08:30] tritium: remove sprees ban in here ;) [08:32] jussi01: beat me to it [08:33] tritium: hehe, yeah [08:38] Flannel: not in #ubuntu - but I spent some much time with him yesterday explaining stuff, and why he was getting negative responses to he constanty questions [08:38] Oh, he's unbanned in #u now? [08:39] Flannel: no [08:39] ikonia: It didn't sink in? [08:39] Flannel: I spent ages with him yesterday - it sunk in for 15 seconds before he stopped doing it on IRC and took his behaviour to ubuntu forums [08:39] I then explained that the same behaviour in ubuntu forums wasn't going to get him far [08:39] so he started back up again in IRC [08:39] ikonia: I applaud your efforts [08:39] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1072332 [08:40] I'm trying really hard to get him to just focus as he seems keen and it's a shame to waste it [08:40] but he just can't grasp what is said to him [08:40] or choses to ignore it and troll [08:40] I can't decide what it is [08:40] s/what/which [08:41] Unfortunately there are times its hard/impossible to tell. [08:41] I can only assume it's a troll because I don't know how much more clear it can be made to him ? [08:43] @bansearch boshhead [08:43] No matches found for boshhead!n=boshhead@adsl-76-242-80-31.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net in any channel [08:45] ikonia: Well, one could argue that a disservice would be made if you allowed them back in the channel, even if they are completely innocent (and ignorant). You've certainly put in enough effort to fix it if it was fixable. [08:47] Flannel: hence why there is a ban on him [08:48] @bansearch panarchy [08:48] Match: *!*@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by ikonia in #kubuntu on Feb 12 2009 09:41:09 (ID: 9946) [08:48] Match: *!*@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by ikonia in #ubuntu on Jan 17 2009 13:46:31 (ID: 9155) [08:48] Match: panarchy!*@* by ikonia in #ubuntu on Jan 18 2009 17:19:51 (ID: 9212) [08:48] Match: panarchy!n=fo@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by elky in #ubuntu-ops on Feb 11 2009 09:04:21 (ID: 9929) [08:48] ooh he's had a go in .au too [08:48] didn't know about that one [08:48] oops in -ops [08:48] I think that should be removed [08:48] not .au [08:48] dont go giving him ideas please [08:48] that he's done ubuntu-au [08:48] ha ha [08:49] I have no problem with him coming in here to tell us how much he listens [08:49] i'd actually be worried if he had the marbles to read the logs for here [08:49] then spamming as much as he can 30 seconds after parting [08:50] He's not banned in -ops [08:50] ikonia, the thing is he's a network problem, and someone like christel or nalioth should be dealing with him, not us [08:50] Flannel, he was temporarily at one point iirc [08:50] 08:48 < ubottu> Match: panarchy!n=fo@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au by elky in #ubuntu-ops on Feb 11 2009 09:04:21 (ID: 9929) [08:50] Flannel: sure ? [08:50] ikonia: That bansearch match is a mark [08:50] **MARK** - see the log snapshot for spam and history of behaviour elsewhere [08:50] Flannel: ahhh well spotted [08:51] Flannel: did you use BT or could you tell that from @bansearch [08:51] If theres absolutely no wildcards, its almost always a mark. There'd be no point in fully spelling it out like that. [08:51] Flannel: nice trick [08:51] yeah, i had not noticed that [08:52] (The *good* thing about marks doing everything is it makes them show up in lots of searches) [08:52] including searches for IP and nick, etc [08:52] elky: who's thr problem/what have they done? do they need a time-out? [08:52] but yeah, panarchy can be removed from anywhere you want with as much permanence as you wish, and i'll support it until the cows come home [08:53] it is getting tedious now [08:53] christel, they're a general self-spamming pestilent creature who annoys the crap out of more than just us. talk to the ##windows crew too, and ikonia knows others [08:53] his "distro" is just a "super ubuntu" image renamed to panarchy-0.9.iso [08:54] ikonia, "super ubuntu"? [08:54] do i even *want* to know? [08:54] elky: another "UE" style re-spin [08:54] ok lets see if a few days off makes him/her sit down and think for a moment [08:54] * elky suddenly wishes she was not on the ground floor. defenstrating has so little effect from this height. [08:55] christel, thanks! :) [08:55] christel: cool, he's got enthusiasm, it would just be nice if he could learn to focus it [08:56] eg: learn how do do the task rather then blag to task so you can say "I'm the maintainer" or "my distro" [08:57] i'm not optimistic about the rehabilitation, but the break is most welcome [08:57] if his enthusiasm is genuine - it would be a shame to not exploit it, but as you I suspect it's just to be able to say "my distro" so I can sound l33t [08:58]