[00:01] <kees> Voltron_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Packages
[00:01] <Voltron_> thank you
[00:26] <maxb> Hmm, that SecurityTeam/FAQ is silent about the issue of -security packages sometimes being based on previous -updates ones
[00:26] <kees> maxb: it's a young document.  :)
[00:26] <maxb> fair enough :-)
[00:27] <maxb> I just noted it was very detailed in all other aspects of explaining the pockets
[01:06] <steelcityjim> can anyone explain groups, and user access im having a problem with access for users
[01:29] <genii> steelcityjim: Somewhat joomla-oriented but still informative article relating to user/group permissions etc: http://joomlapanel.com/joomla-article/55-unix-file-permissions-explanation.html
[02:12] <tsrk> I'm running a server that's also a desktop but the problem is when users log in locally (through the GUI) they get special permissions (like non-root mounting).  How can I fix this?
[02:40] <maxb> tsrk: some of that sort of thing is configurable in System > Administration > Authorizations
[02:40] <tsrk> maxb, well, what i was hoping is that there's a way to only allow them to do what they could do with a remote shell login
[02:40] <tsrk> what is letting them do the extra stuff anyway?
[02:42] <maxb> I'm not 100% sure how it works, I think it involves dbus
[02:43] <tsrk> ok
[02:43] <tsrk> uh
[02:43] <tsrk> maxb, what's "active console"?
[02:44] <maxb> well, console is local, I'm guessing active relates to fast-user-switching
[02:45] <tsrk> so does that mean the local gnome login?
[02:45] <tsrk> like
[02:45] <tsrk> what if i was running the minimal server installation
[02:45] <tsrk> would the console be able to mount and unmount etc?
[02:46] <maxb> a minimal server installation probably wouldn't even *have* a desktop environment at all
[02:46] <tsrk> yeah
[02:46] <tsrk> oh
[02:46] <tsrk> so it wouldn't have whatever is managing this stuff?
[02:47] <tsrk> i probably shouldn't even worry about this
[02:47] <tsrk> anyone who has local access to my machine could just grab my external HD anyway
[03:09] <ScottK> The non-root mounting (IIRC) comes from being in the plugdev group.
[03:12] <genii> Or possibly from "users" option in fstab
[03:13] <genii> ScottK: You seem to get around, I see you in a lot of channels :)
[05:15] <tsrk> I noticed my machines getting sudo updates today... what was that fixing?
[05:19] <ScottK> tsrk: There's a security announcement mailing list you can subscribe too (or you can get it RSS from ubuntu-nl).
[05:19] <tsrk> :O really?
[05:19] <tsrk> i'll look for that
[05:48] <kees> tsrk: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[05:48]  * ScottK waves to kees.
[05:48] <kees> heya ScottK!
[05:53] <tsrk> ah, kees, thanks, explained it perfectly :D
[05:54] <tsrk> wasn't a problem for my server anyway
[06:07] <tsrk> Wow, am i the only one who asks questions in here?
[06:07] <tsrk> anyway, I have more...
[06:07] <tsrk> on my server I installed ubuntu desktop edition, and now want to remove all the graphical stuff (i don't even have a display attached).  How would I go about doing so?
[06:08] <ScottK> tsrk: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <ScottK> Then autoremove should take care of the rest.
[06:13] <tsrk> ScottK, nope :(
[06:13] <tsrk> didn't work
[06:13] <tsrk> (nothing to autoremove after removing ubuntu-desktop)
[06:13] <ScottK> Odd.  Dunno an easy way then.
[06:13] <tsrk> ok :/
[06:13] <tsrk> how bout a way to at least disable it so it doesn't waste cpu etc?
[06:14] <ScottK> Removed xorg-server would get most of it.
[06:15] <tsrk> i don't have a package called xorg-server
[06:15] <tsrk> i have xorg, but nothing depends on it like i'd expect it to
[06:23] <ScottK> How about xserver-xorg-core
[06:24] <ScottK> xorg-server is the source package name.  Sorry.
[06:29] <Asad2005> I have a server with a software raid of 6 disks. What would be the best way to monitor the status of raid ? I have set up a cron job to cat /proc/mdstat and check for unsued devices is this enough ?
[06:30] <jtaji> Asad2005: mdadm can email you, but a cron job is a good addition in case mdadm dies
[06:35] <Asad2005> jtaji, I dont have send mail set up and not planing to do it I just want to email a local user on same my LAN. Is it possible with mdadm
[07:21] <kees> tsrk: I would actually recommend  sudo apt-get purge ...    instead of "remove"
[07:21] <kees> then   sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[07:21] <tsrk> kees, why?
[07:22] <kees> tsrk: that way it will take all the config files and system users with it.
[07:22] <tsrk> oh
[07:22] <tsrk> yeah
[07:22] <tsrk> but autoremove isn't removing them anyway :S
[07:22] <kees> ("remove --purge" == "purge")
[07:22] <kees> autoremove will only work after you remove the thing that brought it in (in this case "ubuntu-desktop")
[07:22] <tsrk> i did that
[07:22] <kees> or at least, it should.  :(
[07:23] <tsrk> i've had this problem before (installing kubuntu-desktop onto my ubuntu-desktop machine)
[07:23] <tsrk> it's something about those packages
[07:23] <tsrk> i think it's not dependencies but it's something else
[07:23] <kees> yeah, I haven't really spent too much time understanding those relationships.
[07:23] <tsrk> i ended up finding my logs of installing all the kubuntu packages and uninstalling them all specifically
[07:23] <kees> all I know is that 'autoremove' has been better than nothing.  :)
[07:23] <tsrk> we shouldn't have to, that's the point of apt right? :P
[07:24] <tsrk> generally autoremove works for me
[07:24]  * kees nods
[07:24] <kees> eek, past bedtime.  *wave*
[07:24] <tsrk> cya
[07:24] <tsrk> thanks for the help :)
[07:24] <kees> sure thing! cya
[07:58] <Scix> how can i use autofs-ldap to mount a directory, inside a users home?
[08:52] <AnRkey> i am working on a preseeded pxe network install setup. What do i need to add to the preseed file in order to get the default ubuntu desktop installed
[08:52] <AnRkey> I am using the 8.04.2 alternate as a base cd
[08:54] <Scix> You will need this: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, ubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <Scix> AnRkey: I'm been working on the same system for some months now
[08:57] <AnRkey> Scix, add that in as a d-i to the preseed?
[08:57] <AnRkey> ahh, no... ok i see how it goes
[08:57] <Scix> no, just as i posted it :)
[08:58] <AnRkey> there is a similar line in the example
[08:58] <AnRkey> Scix, thanks
[08:59] <ivoks> er... nothing? :)
[08:59] <ivoks> when you don't add anything, it installs desktop
[08:59] <ivoks> trouble is if you want server :)
[09:00] <AnRkey> ahh i c
[09:00] <AnRkey> so leave that bit out then?
[09:00] <ivoks> default is ok, like this:
[09:00] <AnRkey> i want to remaster a cd with all the software in and have the complete thing install
[09:00] <ivoks> https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[09:00] <ivoks> so, that's not pxe
[09:01] <ivoks> are you remastering CD or doing PXE install?
[09:02]  * ball is confused
[09:02] <AnRkey> ivoks
[09:02] <AnRkey> both
[09:02] <AnRkey> remastering the iso then extracting to my we server as the repo
[09:02] <AnRkey> web server
[09:03] <ivoks> i haven't remastered CD in years, so i'm rusty in that area
[09:03] <ivoks> but the link i pasted is a great start for pxe
[09:04] <AnRkey> ivoks, done all that already but nice to add to my notes
[09:04] <AnRkey> Scix, how can i install all the extra packages that i added to my iso, or will they install automatically once they are part of the alternate image?
[09:04] <ivoks> they won't install automaticaly
[09:05] <AnRkey> can i add a package list?
[09:05] <AnRkey> ivoks, didn't think they would
[09:05] <AnRkey> not from what i have seen this morning
[09:05] <ivoks> isn't there an application for remastering CDs?
[09:05] <Scix> duse d-i pkgsel/include string <package>
[09:06] <Scix> *use
[09:06] <AnRkey> Scix, shweet! thanks
[09:07] <AnRkey> Scix, gonna build them in to the iso and then call for them to be installed from the preseed
[09:07] <ball> If I want to be able to netboot X terminals from an Ubuntu Server, should I go for the alternate install CD?
[09:09] <Scix> AnRkey: If the package isn't on the CD, it will check the repos set with d-i mirror/*
[09:09] <AnRkey> Scix, ok cool
[09:09] <AnRkey> Scix, will this work? d-i pkgsel/include string multiselect thunderbird, openssh-server, build-essential
[09:09] <Scix> but i have only tested this with PXE and a local ubuntu mirror
[09:10] <AnRkey> Scix, i am almost there :) gonna write up a howto when i am done
[09:10] <Scix> I don't know about thunderbird. if its something that you have to configure during install, you have to use thunderbild foo/bar value
[09:11] <Scix> set DEB_CONFIG=developer in the boot parameters. Then you can se everything thats asked for. it's logged to syslog during install
[09:12] <Scix> se my blog: http://www.sovetid.com/node/3
[09:12] <AnRkey> thanks again Scix
[09:29] <AnRkey> Scix, ho can i find out exactly what is being installed by a standard ubuntu 8.04 desktop install?
[09:30] <Scix> I don't know, but maby this could be a start? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-desktop
[09:32] <AnRkey> Scix, so if i install the ubuntu-desktop virtual package then i should be ok?
[09:32] <Scix> yes :)
[09:58] <dayo> .
[10:16] <AnRkey> Scix, how to you add the preseed.cfg to your default file?
[10:17] <AnRkey> how do...
[10:17] <Scix> default? Like pxe default file?
[10:17] <AnRkey> mine is not using the preseed file and i think my syntax is wrong. yes the pxe default file
[10:19] <Scix> 10 sec. Just find a pastebin :)
[10:19] <AnRkey> ta
[10:19] <AnRkey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[10:19] <Scix> like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/119616/
[10:19] <AnRkey> ta
[10:20] <Scix> preseed/url=http://address/file.cfg :)
[10:22] <Scix> AnRkey: this shows all :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/119617/
[10:27] <AnRkey> Scix, i see it's grabbing the preseed file now but it still asks questions
[10:27] <AnRkey> so i think my preseed file has problems in it
[10:29] <Scix> anRkay: Have you set preseed/interactive=true? If so, the installer will ask every question even if you have set them
[10:30] <Scix> it aslo asks, if the preseed file don't have the answer
[10:30] <AnRkey> ok cool
[10:31] <AnRkey> does it keep asking after it finds a value that is not set? or does it continue with the answers it has?
[10:31] <AnRkey> yeah, just got an error about the preseed file being corrupt
[10:31] <AnRkey> it's a start :)
[10:31] <Scix> hehe
[10:33] <AnRkey> did you use the debian preseed example file?
[10:34] <Scix> yes, that and a lot of testing and tailing the syslog file during install
[10:35] <AnRkey> haha, have not used dcc in ages
[10:37] <AnRkey> wow, thanks Scix! this is a much cleaner file to read
[10:37] <AnRkey> how did you find the locale names?
[10:38] <Scix> found them when reading syslog during a installation with the debuging options i talked about earlier
[10:39] <AnRkey> ahh, it starts making sense :P
[10:39] <Scix> i did not set them in the preseed file, so the installation asked for them, and loged it :)
[10:39] <AnRkey> so i could answer all the questions and see what is being done
[10:39] <Scix> yes :)
[10:40] <AnRkey> shweet, bbl
[10:41] <incorrect> during boot i don't enter in my cyrpto fs password,  the problem is then the system fails to boot and there seems to be a forced check on every device in fstab
[10:46] <AnRkey> Scix, client or server syslog that stores the install logs?
[10:48] <Scix> client :)
[10:49] <AnRkey> u :) quite a bit u know :P
[11:34] <incorrect> i want to copy my sudo config, can i simply scp sudoers or do i need to visudo on all machines?
[11:36] <yann2> I wouldnt scp
[11:36] <yann2> you would be at risk of having wrong permissions
[11:36] <yann2> wrong permissions on sudoers would prevent you to set these permissions back again
[11:36] <yann2> or be sure to have a correct umask
[11:39] <incorrect> i have a way to get in if i can't sudo
[11:47] <decembre> hello
[11:48] <AnRkey> hi decembre
[11:48] <yann2> incorrect > so, you can, just be sure that the file once copied has proper ownerships and perms
[11:48] <decembre> is there apache2 specialists here ?
[11:49] <AnRkey> Scix, how can i export and save the log from the installer?
[11:49] <decembre> I would like to know the difference in forcelanguagepriority between prefer and fallback ?
[11:49] <incorrect> yann2, i was more worried that visudo does more than just edit a file
[11:50] <yann2> not really
[11:50] <yann2> just checks for syntax before saving I think :)
[11:55] <Scix> AnRkey: Yes! After the installation you have to install debconf-utils or something like that, and then run this as sudo https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html#preseed-other
[11:56] <AnRkey> Scix, thanks
[11:56] <Scix> then you wil get a file with everything that happend duing the installation
[11:58] <Scix> anrkey: you can also copy the syslog file from the installastion onto the target after installation by adding this to your preseed file d-i preseed/late_command string cp /etc/log/syslog /target/syslog.copy.txt or something like that :)
[11:58] <AnRkey> then i can use the debconf-utils on it later?
[11:59] <AnRkey> oh boy does this take forever or what? each time i wanna test something it's a new install :(
[12:00] <Scix> anrkay: you can just read the file with what every texteditor you like :)
[12:24] <AnRkey> Scix, this job is going to save my client 250,000 ZAR (about 24,360 USD)
[12:25] <AnRkey> MS thugs have been phoning him for a "self audit" and then he gets a call from a MS gold partner that offers to do the audit for him
[12:26] <AnRkey> so this job is his answer :)
[12:26] <Scix> nice :) I'm u
[12:27] <Scix> *pulling this system up for 5 schools in norway :)
[12:27] <Scix> i just have a major autofs-ldap problem left :(
[12:27] <AnRkey> i love automating pxe os installs, did a big RIS setup for the city of london academy
[12:28] <AnRkey> man i wish i could help u there, haha
[12:28] <AnRkey> soz :)
[12:36] <ivoks> autofs-ldap?
[12:36] <ivoks> for ~?
[12:38] <Scix> ivoks, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1072228
[12:40] <Scix> the problem is that autofs wont find the maps :(
[12:41] <ivoks> let's see
[12:43] <ivoks> never tried that :)
[12:44] <ivoks> didn't knew that's even possible
[12:45] <Scix> thats ok. nobody else know either :P
[12:46] <Scix> iv'e been googeling for 2 weeks now...
[12:46] <ivoks> iiuc, this is an exension for autofs
[12:46] <ivoks> right, it depends on autofs
[12:46] <ivoks> so, you need to have autofs configured
[12:47]  * ivoks is installing autofs-lda
[12:47] <Scix> yes, have done so. I've told autofs to look for maps in ldap, but it just wont work
[12:48] <ivoks> Scix: what's in auto.master.ldap?
[12:49] <ivoks> er... auto.master
[12:49] <Scix> nothing. LDAP is suposed to take over for that file i think
[12:49] <ivoks> err
[12:49] <ivoks> there's only autofs service
[12:50] <ivoks> so, you have to configure it
[12:50] <ivoks>  /usr/share/doc/autofs-ldap/examples
[12:50] <ivoks> there's auto.master.ldap file
[12:51] <Scix> aa nice. tanks, i'll try that
[12:52] <ivoks> you've included automount scheme in slapd?
[12:53] <Scix> yes
[12:53] <ivoks> and you've added automount: ldap to /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[12:53] <ivoks> and set up LDAPURI and LDAPBASE in /etc/default/autofs?
[12:54] <Scix> jupp, wish by the way is written LDAP_URI and SEARCH_BASE according to the man pages
[12:55] <ivoks> i'm reading README file in docs
[12:55] <ivoks> README.ldap_master
[12:55] <ivoks> and checking README.Debian would be wise too :)
[12:56] <Scix> HAHH
[12:56] <Scix> i managed to start autofs :)
[12:57] <Scix> after i added the ldap stuff in auto.master
[12:57] <ivoks> so, it's working now?
[12:57] <Scix> testing the client now
[12:59] <Scix> no, it didn't mount
[13:00] <dmacnutt> are you using keys?
[13:01] <Scix> keys?
[13:01] <Scix> i have a server identical to the one in the example :)
[13:02] <Scix> automountInformation in a automount object
[13:02] <Scix> with the same CN as the user
[13:04] <dmacnutt> what version of autofs?
[13:05] <Scix> v4
[13:05] <ivoks> Scix: check the logs
[13:05] <ivoks> Scix: that's the first thing you should do
[13:06] <Scix> yes, syslog tellst nothing
[13:06] <dmacnutt> i could never get v4 to work for me, had to compile and switch to v5
[13:06] <dmacnutt> but it seems 8.10 has v5 in the repos
[13:07] <dmacnutt> i will spit out my slapd automount stuff
[13:07] <Scix> yes, i didn't install it because i read some where that it was some testing version
[13:07] <dmacnutt> try and parse the important bits
[13:07] <Scix> i'm greping for automount
[13:09] <Scix> did a "sudo cat /var/log/* | grep automount". found nothing
[13:09] <Scix> on the client
[13:09] <ivoks> autofs
[13:09] <ivoks> iirc
[13:09] <Scix> nothing on autofs either
[13:09] <ivoks> and slapd logs on server?
[13:10] <ivoks> did slapd notice connection at all?
[13:11] <ivoks> put log_level in slapd.conf to 2048
[13:11] <ivoks> loglevel
[13:11] <ivoks> or 256
[13:15]  * ivoks discovered IF statement in MySQL today
[13:23] <ivoks> would someone be so kind and review one proposed diff for dovecot? :)
[13:37] <AnRkey> Scix, did you use debconf-utils to cleanup the output of log file some how or what?
[13:40] <Scix> no, i just ran those comands, and i recived a text file of everything that happend during installation
[13:43] <AnRkey> i have the 8mb syslog file and i see the answers being done
[13:43] <AnRkey> it's just soooo much to go through
[13:43] <Scix> search :)
[13:45] <Scix> if you tail -f /var/log/syslog during a installation where you have set preseed/interactive=true it's easier to se just the itneresting things that happends when a question is asked
[14:46] <AnRkey> Scix, i don't know what i would have done without you mate
[14:46] <AnRkey> thanks a stack! :D
[16:27] <profanephobia> Can I boot and customize a thin client image using Gnome window manager?
[16:29] <dmacnutt> ltsp?
[16:32] <profanephobia> yeah
[16:35] <dmacnutt> you want the clients to boot with gnome?
[16:35] <profanephobia> yes
[16:35] <dmacnutt> so add it to your image
[16:36] <profanephobia> ok i was just making sure that was possible thank you
[16:37] <dmacnutt> probaly be sluggish
[16:37] <dmacnutt> better off with something a little lighter
[16:37] <dmacnutt> xfce maybe
[16:37] <profanephobia> i might just use xmonad
[18:08] <dkulchenko> Here's my story: I created 2 LVM PVs, put about 50GB of data on to them (this is all on a Live CD), then at some point Firefox froze, and I had to reboot. I boot back in, reinstall lvm2, it detects the volume group, but complains about not being able to find a physical volume by xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx UUID, which does not match any of the drives I have. It wasn't letting me mount anything, but was detecting the names of the LVs
[18:08] <dkulchenko>  fine, so I used pvcreate to restore metadata with a forced UUID. Then, I get back my LVs, but they are reporting 0B free, and do not seem to have a filesystem on them! I don't have backup metadata, because I didn't know about it until I rebooted and lost it. What can I do to restore my data?
[18:18] <_ruben> you put data on lvs, not pvs
[18:30] <dkulchenko> _ruben: i know. i didn't say that i put data on pvs
[18:31] <bdubnc> Hey guys, I am having a serious problem.  I am trying to configure a mainpine IQ express 8 port on Ubuntu 8.04.2 server.  For some reason the server will find the card, but not configure any com ports.  I have done everything that mainpine suggested, even called there tech support.  No Help.  Anyone who has worked with this please let me know!
[18:42] <dkulchenko> anyone? i don't have backups and I need to recover this
[18:49] <krunk-|work> I need to upgrade mys erver, I'm following this tutorial: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[18:50] <krunk-|work> update-manager-core is installed, but this file does not exist: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[18:50] <krunk-|work> shoudl I just create it?
[18:51] <bdubnc> I am assuming no one has used the mainpine IQ express card with Ubuntu
[18:52] <bn43> hi is anyone using smstools here? I've assigned a script with belonging to root to the eventhandler and its not executing - I'm thinking its a rights issue
[18:54] <krunk-|work> well, I went ahead and created the file. the upgrade fails. it would seem that the problem is the same that led me to upgrade: none of the package servers exist anymore. 404 not found
[18:55] <sommer> krunk-|work: what release are you running?
[18:55] <krunk-|work> feisty
[18:55] <krunk-|work> if you'd like I can post the main upgrade log
[18:56] <sommer> krunk-|work: feisty is end of life, so I'm 100% sure how you'll need to upgrade, may have to be from CDROM
[18:57] <krunk-|work> http://pastie.org/393112
[18:57] <krunk-|work> you mean "I'm *not* 100% sure?"
[18:58] <krunk-|work> this is a live server, how risky is this?
[18:58] <sommer> woops yes, that's what I meant
[18:58] <krunk-|work> so it's not as simple as changing the repository url's?
[18:58] <sommer> krunk-|work: not sure I've never tried it... may be others have though
[18:59] <henkjan> krunk-|work: ubuntu has an mirror with al old releases
[18:59] <bn43> hi is anyone using smstools here? I've assigned a script with belonging to root to the eventhandler and its not executing - I'm thinking its a rights issue
[18:59] <henkjan> old-releases.ubuntu.com
[19:00] <krunk-|work> it's times like these that I appreciate debian's conservative upgrading hehe. . . course there are many other times I loathe it :P
[19:01] <sommer> krunk-|work: ya, but that's kind of what the LTS releases are fore :)
[19:03] <krunk-|work> LTS?
[19:03] <NuclearSquid> I'm looking at turning an ubuntu server into a NAS box with iSCSI --- is this easy to do with ubuntu?
[19:04] <sommer> Long Term Support... released every two years, 3 years of desktop support and 5 for server
[19:04] <krunk-|work> ah
[19:04] <krunk-|work> should of used that I guess hehe
[19:06] <bn43> hi is anyone using smstools here? I've assigned a script with belonging to root to the eventhandler and its not executing - I'm thinking its a rights issue
[19:06] <krunk-|work> k, I see the mapping between the old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu sources to us.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, but I also have some security sources: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[19:08] <sommer> bn43: not me
[19:10] <bn43> :-( heart skippted a beat when I got a direct response - thought there was an answer....:-)
[19:15] <krunk-|work> ok, this post seems to be a walk through. but am I crazy or is he giving sources to edgey...which is not feisty?
[19:15] <krunk-|work> http://jacob.steelsmith.org/content/upgrade-ubuntu-feisty-post-end-life
[19:18] <bdubnc> Ok, do I need to install the linux-restricted drivers for the mainpine board to work?
[19:20] <speckz> Hi! I hope someone can help me. I'm not sure what this is called so I could not search for it. I need to configure an Ubuntu server to send email from local LAN (different subnets) without having users on the LAN provide login credentials. Is it possible to configure sendmail or whatever  you might recommend to send mail based on an IP,  IPs,  and/or IP ranges?
[19:23] <thewrath> so as a relay agent?
[19:23] <speckz> I guess, not sure what it would be called. :)
[19:24] <thewrath> i have mail on my local computer sent out to real e-mail addresses
[19:24] <speckz> I'd like to disable logins(username and password) and have the server accept all email from said IP(s).
[19:25] <thewrath> the only login creditials is for the smtp client that everyone would use
[19:25] <krunk-|work> ok, so if I get the most recent install disk, will it wipe and install or not?
[19:28] <ScottK> speckz: That's a standard configuration for Postfix.
[19:33] <speckz> So what is this called? email relaying?
[19:33] <krunk-|work> I've updated my sources.list to the old-releases, but apt-get update still tries to pull from others like this
[19:33] <krunk-|work> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-backports/main/debian-installer Packages
[19:33] <krunk-|work> could it be getting these from somewhere else?
[19:41] <krunk-|work> ok, it's coming from this file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list
[19:41] <krunk-|work> which the updater overwrites when I run do-release-upgrade, how do prevent it from overwriting it?
[19:47] <ScottK> speckz: If you install postfix, pick the option called Internet Site.
[19:48] <krunk-|work> this is pretty annoying. it refuses to use the new servers
[19:48] <krunk-|work> or the uh, old-release servers
[19:48] <ScottK> speckz: It will ask you for local networks, add your list of ip addresses there.
[19:57] <speckz> ScottK, anything else?
[19:57] <ScottK> That should be it.
[19:59] <lamont> krunk-|work: if you have no *.archive.ubuntu.com lines, then it does something of the form: ZOMG I CAN'T FIND ANY REAL MIRRORS, USE Y(OURS?
[19:59] <lamont> and you say 'yes'
[20:00] <lamont> for bonus points, if you're going from the last old-releases release to the first archive.u.c release, then that prompt is your opportunity to go edit the sources.list before saying yes, to s/old-releases/archive/g
[20:00]  * Faust-C wonders how to use serial ports
[20:00] <speckz> ScottK: Thanks!
[20:00]  * lamont considers saying "with serial cables, of course", but decides not to
[20:01] <Nafallo> lamont: consider we use them with Cat5e ;-)
[20:01] <lamont> Faust-C: various things out there for talking to them - minicom
[20:01] <lamont> Nafallo: feh
[20:01] <lamont> Nafallo: still a DB9 most of the time, though
[20:01] <lamont> so, s/cables/connectors/
[20:01] <lamont> now, where is that trout.
[20:01] <Nafallo> lamont: yes. in one end :-)
[20:02] <Faust-C> lamont, yeah but idk how to actually 'use' them
[20:02] <lamont> yeah - PrairieNOC has a Cyclades, too
[20:02] <Nafallo> lamont: (except for the strange ones) ;-)
[20:02] <Faust-C> like im using cutecom to connect to a OLD cisco router
[20:02] <Faust-C> and idk wtf to do next
[20:02] <lamont> Faust-C: that's beyond the scope of where I can comfortably help
[20:02] <Nafallo> Faust-C: set the correct speed and get a prompt? :-)
[20:03] <Faust-C> Nafallo, oic, thats what im trying to figure out
[20:03] <Faust-C> lamont, ty btw
[20:05] <Faust-C> google ftw
[20:05] <Faust-C> Nafallo, the whole 'speed' thing helped
[20:05] <Nafallo> Faust-C: yes
[20:07] <krunk-|work> lamont: it doesn't prompt me, it just glibbly overwrites the prerequists-sources.list file and fails
[20:08] <lamont> krunk-|work: paste your sources.list to paste.ubuntu.com or so, pls?
[20:08] <krunk-|work> sure
[20:09] <krunk-|work> http://pastie.org/393185
[20:10] <krunk-|work> but it's the /etc/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list that it seems to write the new source to and than fail on sync'ing
[20:10] <krunk-|work> the issue is listed on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeProblems
[20:10] <krunk-|work> but the solution doesn't work (e.g. placing the old-releases ip in /etc/hosts mapped to us.archive.ubuntu.org
[20:11] <krunk-|work> brb
[20:14] <bdubnc> Hey guys, I have to apply 2 kernel patches to get my mainpine card to work.  What is the easiest way to patch my kernel in Ubuntu.  Thanks!
[20:16] <jtaji> !kernel | bdubnc
[20:18] <bdubnc> thanks ubottu
[20:21] <bdubnc> Ok I read that information, but it really doesn't tell me what todo
[20:39] <CarlFK> "apt-get install mysql-server" config/postinst script  prompts for an admin pw - how can I script that?  (seed the value or ignore it and config the thing later - just want it to not require user input)
[21:02] <krunk-|work> lamont: see anything?
[21:16] <lamont> krunk-|work: sorry - got dragged into a couple things before getting dragged out the door for a couple hours in ~ -2 minutes
[21:51] <krunk-|work> lamont: no problem
[22:00] <redspire> Hey, anyone know how to reinstall pam / reset the module definitions?
[22:00] <bacaci|work> any chance that there is going to be an apt repository containing libapache2-mod-mono2 for use with mono-apache-server2?
[22:05] <ivoks> grrr... why didn't we merge libapache-mod-security? grrr...
[22:05] <ivoks> they added exception to the license, so it's ok to ship binary
[22:06] <ivoks> ok, for jaunty+1 :)
[22:08] <ajmitch> ivoks: you've still got a few minutes to do so, right?
[22:09] <bacaci|work> I'm not dot net... and I don't really know what the error means.. so I think mod_mono2 might fix it? worth compiling, if available even?
[22:10] <ivoks> ajmitch: yeah, i do
[22:10] <ajmitch> ivoks: how'd you go with dovecot?
[22:10] <ivoks> ajmitch: i'm waiting for a review
[22:10] <ivoks> ajmitch: bug 329878
[22:16] <krunk-|work> I miss good 'ole apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:20] <ajmitch> ivoks: I'll take a look at some point, if someone else doesn't upload it first
[22:20] <ivoks> ajmitch: oh, thanks
[22:21]  * ajmitch may as well try & be a little bit useful for a change :)
[22:21] <ivoks> :)
[22:23] <ivoks> all mod-sec's build deps are in main
[22:23] <ivoks> that's awsome
[22:28] <krunk-|work> not having any way to upgrade feisty really sucks
[22:30] <ivoks> ?
[22:30] <krunk-|work> the do-release-upgrade ignores my sources.list and overwrites teh sources.list.d/prerequis-sources
[22:30] <krunk-|work> with servers that don't exist
[22:31] <krunk-|work> so I can't upgrade without, I assume, wiping the server and reinstalling from scatch
[22:34] <ivoks> feisty was 7.04?
[22:35] <soren> yes
[22:35] <ivoks> well, gutsy is still supported
[22:36] <ivoks> so, you should be able to upgrade with do-release-upgrade
[22:36] <krunk-|work> but I can't update to gutsy either >.<
[22:37] <krunk-|work> do-release-upgrade keeps overwriting /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list with non-existent servers
[22:37] <krunk-|work> then failing
[22:37] <soren> Which non-existent servers?
[22:37] <ivoks> which non-existing server?
[22:37] <ivoks> :)
[22:37] <krunk-|work> us.archive.ubuntu.org feisty
[22:37] <krunk-|work> sec
[22:38] <krunk-|work> I'll pastie
[22:38] <krunk-|work> Failed http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-backports/main/debian-installer Packages
[22:39] <krunk-|work> it gets that from the prerequists file, no matter what I put in there (e.g. the old-release source) it overwrites it with this repository
[22:39] <ivoks> and what do you have in prerequists-sources.list?
[22:40] <krunk-|work> I put deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-backports main/debian-installer
[22:40] <krunk-|work> then it overwrites that with the above
[22:40] <ivoks> then remove that, remove the fail
[22:40] <ivoks> and then try
[22:41] <ivoks> file
[22:41] <ivoks> s/fail/file
[22:41] <krunk-|work> just delete the prequisites file all together?
[22:41] <ivoks> move it somewhere else
[22:41] <ivoks> like ~
[22:41] <krunk-|work> sure
[22:43] <ivoks> where did you get that file from anyway?
[22:43] <krunk-|work> recretes it
[22:43] <krunk-|work> part of default isntall
[22:43] <krunk-|work> install*
[22:44] <ivoks> i've never seen that file
[22:44] <krunk-|work> do-release-upgrade simply recreates the prerequisites file with faulty server info and proceeds to epic fail
[22:44] <krunk-|work> hold on, I even found a bug report reference to it in the official ubuntu site
[22:44] <Doonz> how do i force a rescan of of hard disks?
[22:46] <ivoks> krunk-|work: i've found bug reports
[22:47] <krunk-|work> ah cool
[22:47] <krunk-|work> yeah, it's not user created
[22:47] <ivoks> heh... and a workaround :)
[22:48] <krunk-|work> oh yeah?
[22:48] <kansan__> if i want to enable third party folks to FTP into my box at port 21.... do i need to do anything other than ensure that the port is open on the firewall?  [ubuntu hardy]
[22:48]  * krunk-|work listens attentively
[22:48] <ivoks> put this in your /etc/hosts:
[22:48] <ivoks> 91.189.88.40 us.archive.ubuntu.com
[22:50] <krunk-|work> oh that one, yeah. I tried. didn't work. let me try that ip though, I gave 35 a shot
[22:50] <ivoks> ah, different IP won't help :/
[22:50] <krunk-|work> I had this in there: 91.189.88.35 us.archive.ubuntu.com
[22:50] <krunk-|work> which maps to the old-release server
[22:51] <ivoks> you don't need old-release
[22:51] <ivoks> you need archive.ubuntu.com
[22:51] <ivoks> or... hm..
[22:51] <krunk-|work> how do you flush cache?
[22:52] <krunk-|work> dns cache
[22:52] <redspire> Anyone know how I can reinstall pam?
[22:52] <maxb> Switching to old-releases by putting wrong info in /etc/hosts is surely not the right way to do it
[22:53] <ivoks> krunk-|work: you are runing dns?
[22:53] <krunk-|work> nah, but most systems build a local cache. nslookup isn't mapping the right ip despite it being in /etc/hosts
[22:53] <ivoks> nslookup looks at DNS
[22:54] <krunk-|work> maxb: any ideas on how to work around this bug so I can upgrade to gutsy?
[22:55] <redspire> ls
[22:55] <ivoks> krunk-|work: don't check with nslookup, just run do-release-upgrade
[22:55] <redspire> er
[22:55] <krunk-|work> maybe if I write protect the sources file with chattr
[22:56] <Deeps> nslookup ignores what you have in /etc/hosts:        nslookup - query Internet name servers interactively
[22:56] <ivoks> unfortunatly, our 'host' does the same :(
[22:56] <ivoks> ignores /etc/nsswitch.conf
[22:56] <Deeps> bind9-host does, i didnt think normal 'host' did
[22:56] <ivoks> well, we ship bind9-host
[22:56] <Deeps> since intrepid/jaunty?
[22:57] <maxb> krunk-|work: hmm.. that's likely to break the upgrade further on
[22:57] <ivoks> Deeps: even in hardy, iirc
[22:57] <ivoks> Deeps: maybe since the first version :)
[22:57] <krunk-|work> I was thinking I could for the initial sync, than remove it...but it didn't like that
[22:58] <Deeps> ivoks: not in hardy 8.04 at least, the sendmail bug i hit was only caused because i installed bind9-host
[22:58] <mathiaz> coffeedude: FYI - I've just uploaded krb5 with the likewise-open-gssapi patch
[22:58] <ivoks> Deeps: host is in universe, bind9-host is in main
[22:58] <krunk-|work> damnit, this is lame
[22:59] <Deeps> ivoks: bizarre
[22:59] <mathiaz> coffeedude: I'm also about to upload openldap 2.4.14 which already has the likewise-openldap-gssapi in it.
[22:59] <krunk-|work> oh well, the server does it's job. I guess it'll just never get upgraded >.<
[22:59] <ivoks> Deeps: we should consider moving to 'real' host for jaunty+1
[23:00] <maxb> krunk-|work: I would do it by editing the prerequists file before running the installer
[23:00] <krunk-|work> maxb: it overwrites
[23:00] <maxb> I mean, edit the copy *in* the installer program
[23:00] <ivoks> krunk-|work: have you tried with the ip i told you?
[23:00] <maxb> ivoks: but if he does that, how's the upgrader going to get the *gutsy* files
[23:00] <krunk-|work> maxb: that was the first thing I tried
[23:00] <krunk-|work> ivoks: the .40, yes
[23:00] <krunk-|work> maxb: hm, I'll have to hunt it down. it's in one of the python modules
[23:01] <maxb> krunk-|work: I don't think so. I just got gutsy.tar.gz off the mirrors, it's a plain file
[23:01] <ivoks> maxb: the ip was from archive.ubuntu.com
[23:02] <krunk-|work> maxb: alright, so you're saying just manually download the gutsy.tar.gz file and...?
[23:02] <ivoks> krunk-|work: that's server?
[23:02] <ivoks> lots of services?
[23:03] <ivoks> i would just sed feisty with gutsy and run update, dist-upgrade
[23:03] <ivoks> i could be bumpy, but you would get there in the end
[23:03] <krunk-|work> that would be the debian way, but doesn't this break ubuntu
[23:03] <maxb> It can do - or rather, it can miss important steps in the upgrade
[23:04] <maxb> krunk-|work: I would get gutsy.tar.gz, unpack it, edit the embedded sources.list, and run ./gutsy
[23:04] <ivoks> krunk-|work: do-release-upgrade does dist-upgrade + some other stuff
[23:04] <NuclearSquid> i'm thinking about doing a software raid array, has anyone done this with ubuntu server? it look like it should take 10 minutes
[23:04] <maxb> krunk-|work: Do be aware I've never tested this, though :-)
[23:04] <krunk-|work> lol
[23:04] <ivoks> NuclearSquid: yes, all the time
[23:04] <krunk-|work> oh lord, final last words
[23:05] <NuclearSquid> ivoks: Have you used serial ATA?
[23:05] <ivoks> NuclearSquid: sata? yes, all the time
[23:06] <NuclearSquid> ivoks: It says on the old how-to that you can only do raid5 with software -- but it's from 2003
[23:06] <NuclearSquid> can it do 6 now?
[23:06] <NuclearSquid> ivoks: is the tool you use mdadm?
[23:06] <ivoks> 6? depends on the version
[23:06] <ivoks> jaunty can do 6
[23:06] <NuclearSquid> ah
[23:07] <ivoks> hardy can also do 6
[23:07] <pjsturgeon> hi. at the moment i have to type sudo dhclient eth1 every time i boot my server. how do i get ethernet running by itself?
[23:07] <NuclearSquid> doing dist-upgrade right now
[23:07] <ivoks> pjsturgeon: add auto eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:07] <NuclearSquid> I had 7.10
[23:08] <ivoks> pjsturgeon: and under that line, add iface eth1 inet dhcp
[23:08] <NuclearSquid> I love apt
[23:08] <ivoks> NuclearSquid: do-release-upgrade is right way
[23:08] <NuclearSquid> oh
[23:09] <pjsturgeon> ahh im an idiot. i had the line auth eth12
[23:09] <pjsturgeon> eth1 even
[23:10] <NuclearSquid> I upgrade via SSH
[23:10]  * NuclearSquid is badass
[23:11] <ivoks> so, we are now freezed? :)
[23:12] <soren> ivoks: UTC, mate. UTC.
[23:12] <soren> Still 46 minutes to go.
[23:12] <ivoks> :)
[23:13] <NuclearSquid> ivoks: thx for that release tip, never done it before -- working great
[23:13] <ivoks> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive - doesn't look promissing for mod-security :D
[23:28] <techsupport> how do i change the user's password ?
[23:28] <kansan> how do i change the home directory for a given user?
[23:29] <ivoks> techsupport: passwd
[23:29] <ivoks> kansan: usermod -d
[23:29] <redspire> Well, if anyone wonders -- pam-auth-update and dkpg-reconfigure didn't help, so I ended up copying the pam config files from another Ibex server to the faulty one.  The one time I don't make confi file backups... :)
[23:29] <orudie> sorry for the nick change ivoks
[23:29] <ivoks> kansan: usermod -d new_dir username
[23:32] <ivoks> kansan: oh, and don't forge moving old directory to the new one
[23:32] <kansan> forge?
[23:32] <ajmitch> ivoks: ok, from what I can see dovecot looks reasonable, will upload
[23:32] <ivoks> kansan: example: usermod -d /home/test newaccount; mv /home/newaccount /home/test
[23:32] <ivoks> ajmitch: yay! maybe -i would be better than -pdovecot-postfix?
[23:33] <ajmitch> most likely, but not a blocker for now
[23:33] <ivoks> ajmitch: right, if there would be new indep packages, i'll fix it
[23:34] <ivoks> ajmitch: thank you!
[23:34]  * ajmitch needs faster upstream DSL
[23:35] <ivoks> kansan: forget; sorry' it's almost 1AM and i'm loosing the fight against the keyboard
[23:36] <ivoks> kansan: there's also usermod -m -d /home/test newaccount (whichi will move the home dir for you :)
[23:36] <krunk-|work> where can I get a list of arch x86_64 sources for gutsy? for my sources.list?
[23:37] <ivoks> kansan: it's the same as i386
[23:37] <ivoks> bah
[23:37] <ivoks> krunk-|work: it's the same as i386
[23:37] <ivoks> time to stop typing...
[23:38] <krunk-|work> I'm getting afew failed sources, mind pastie'ing your sources.list?
[23:39] <ajmitch> ivoks: did you get the libapache-mod-security sync requested?
[23:39] <ivoks> yes
[23:39] <ivoks> bug 331284
[23:40] <ajmitch> hopefully it won't need an FF exception for being processed after the freeze
[23:40] <ivoks> let's hope so
[23:40] <ajmitch> otherwise it's time to bug your friendly server team representative for release duties
[23:42] <ivoks> krunk-|work: what's failing?
[23:44] <ivoks> krunk-|work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/119860/ (replace hardy with gutsy)
[23:45] <krunk-|work> cool, thanks ivoks looks good
[23:49]  * krunk-|work crosses fingers
[23:49] <maxb> hm? libapache-mod-security is synced and in binary NEW
[23:51] <ivoks> oh, right
[23:51] <ivoks> couple of hours ago :)
[23:52] <ajmitch> that's rather useful
[23:52] <ivoks> invalidating my request...
[23:53] <maxb> I think everyone must be rushing in uploads before FF, the buildds are swamped :-)
[23:55] <ivoks> yep, there will be tons of updates tomorrow :)
[23:56] <krunk-|work> ivoks: and that's for server right?
[23:56] <krunk-|work> the sources?
[23:57] <ivoks> krunk-|work: sources.list is the same for all supported archs and all supported variants
[23:57] <ivoks> krunk-|work: so, with same sources.list you can get kubuntu amd64 and ubuntu-server i386
[23:57] <krunk-|work> thought so, I got an error though
[23:57] <krunk-|work> Errno architecture (x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.15.7) does not match executable architecture (x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.24-15-server) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11.
[23:58] <ivoks> 2.6.15 isn't feisty kernel
[23:58] <ivoks> that's dapper
[23:58] <ivoks> and 2.6.24 isn't gutsy
[23:58] <krunk-|work> I just added those sources and upgraded
[23:59] <ivoks> mine?
[23:59] <ivoks> i told you to replace hardy with gutsy
[23:59] <krunk-|work> I did
[23:59] <krunk-|work> not a hardy in there