[00:00] <persia> 8.10 or Jaunty?
[00:00] <NY152> Jaunty
[00:05] <NY152> persia une  idée pour résoudre le probleme ?
[00:05] <persia> It's somewhat expected that some packages cannot be installed on any given day for Jaunty.
[00:06] <NY152> en  francais ?
[00:06] <persia> I'd recommend just not upgrading the ones that are impossible today, and looking at them another day.
[00:07] <persia> Mon francais est insuffisant :(
[00:07] <NY152> f-spot ca fait 15 jours qu'il est dans  ce cas la ...
[00:08] <persia> Yes.  That was just being discussed in #ubuntu-devel.  Waiting on several more packages to build for a transition.
[00:09] <NY152> ok
[00:12] <NY152> persia merci :)
[03:22] <thewrath> hello all are you there?
[03:23] <thewrath> i would like to do testing for ubuntu
[03:24] <persia> thewrath, Welcome.  Anything in particular that you would like to test?
[03:25] <thewrath> i like running the server edition actually
[03:25] <thewrath> i run everytrhing through a vm at teh moment
[03:25] <thewrath> if you tell me there is an issue with x i wil go and do my best to test x fully to my k nowledge
[03:25] <persia> Well, there's three sorts of testing that need doing for servers.
[03:25] <thewrath> okay
[03:25] <thewrath> i just recently got back into linux/unix actually
[03:25] <thewrath> so i thought i would jump in and help out
[03:26] <persia> Firstly, there's an install CD created every day, on cdimage.ubuntu.com, and it can be checked to make sure it works, and run through the standard server testcases.
[03:26] <thewrath> i am going to guess that you have the testcases on a list?
[03:26] <persia> Secondly, there's always some stable-release updates in queue, and they need testing to verify the bug, verify the fix, and verify that the fix doesn't impact anything else.
[03:27] <persia> Thirdly, there's a lot of benefit in running the development release, and identifying issues as they arise so they can be addressed in a timely manner.
[03:27] <thewrath> okay
[03:28] <persia> You can find testcases for the installations from iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[03:28] <thewrath> i mean def running dvelopment releases
[03:28] <persia> There's a special effort to test images before each milestone, but extra testing rarely hurts.
[03:28] <thewrath> i am currently on the dev for joomlapack
[03:29] <persia> For the stable release updates, there's a testcase registered with each bug.
[03:29] <thewrath> k
[03:29] <persia> For regular testing of the development release, it's more freeform: the idea being to test it to do things you need done, and report bugs as you discover them.
[03:30] <thewrath> i would like to proabbly do that first
[03:30] <thewrath> what do people usuallyu start out with
[03:30] <thewrath> jw
[03:30] <persia> Depends on their interest.  I don't think there's a usually.
[03:31] <persia> There's also meta-work for testing, like drafting testcases, and the like, but it's probably worth doing some testing first, to become more familiar with the testing tools, etc.
[03:31] <persia> Also to get an understanding for the various people involved in testing, and what sorts of things they do.
[03:32] <thewrath> if i see this right on teh si.qa.ubuntu.com webstie under ubuntu alt i386 there are 2 bugs but 14 tests?
[03:33] <persia> Rather, for the last milestone, of the 14 tests, two bugs were discovered during the exercise of the test suite.
[03:33] <thewrath> sorry about earlier there i had a network issue with the server on campus i connect to
[03:33] <thewrath> 11/14 (1)
[03:34] <thewrath> i would like to do some developmental testing
[03:34] <thewrath> i mean i like to set up webservers, ssh, etc
[03:34] <thewrath> i am a networker by design but web guru by heart lol
[03:34] <persia> In that case, install jaunty, and do your setups and hacking.  Report any bugs you find.
[03:35] <persia> You may also find the folk in #ubuntu-bugs helpful in getting good bugs reported, and making sure they are confirmed and tracked appropriately.
[03:35] <thewrath> okay
[03:35] <thewrath> y do i get told to anyone that i am a "beta" tester
[03:35] <thewrath> jw
[03:36] <persia> If you're primarily testing the server, it may also be interesting to spend time in #ubuntu-server: lots of users and developers congregate there.
[03:36] <persia> If you start testing jaunty today, you're an "alpha" tester :)  It's not even close to beta yet.
[03:36] <thewrath> oh ok
[03:37] <thewrath> i would say so 100+
[03:37] <thewrath> is jaunty desktop out for alpha?
[03:38] <thewrath> the one place that i might get hired after college is running alot of linux
[03:38] <thewrath> i think they said red hat enterprise but i think they have some ubuntu stuff
[03:38] <persia> Alphas are available.
[03:38] <thewrath> ok
[03:38] <persia> Dailies too.
[03:38] <thewrath> ?
[03:38] <persia> Those also need testing.
[03:38] <thewrath> oh ok
[03:39] <thewrath> where do i get the alpha downloads and the daily downloads at?
[03:39] <persia> I do recommend that as you get started you target one specific area, and then expand.  It's a lot easier to get involved that way.
[03:39] <persia> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <thewrath> so just start out with testing the alpha version of server then?
[03:41] <persia> That might be a good place.  There's another alpha due out on the 26th, and it will be fairly active here making sure we get all the test cases covered for that.  It's worth testing now, and learning the processes and tools (and registering for an account on qa.ubuntu.com).
[03:41] <persia> Then, early next week you can be part of the big push.
[03:42] <thewrath> so tomorrow when i am at work (computer lab asst, just make sure no one kils the computers literally) is go and download the alpha release form here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20090217/ and then register for an account at qa.ubuntu.com?
[03:43] <persia> That's the daily release.  The alpha would be under ubuntu-server/releases/
[03:43] <thewrath> ok
[03:43] <persia> You could register for an account now if you like.
[03:43] <thewrath> k
[03:43] <thewrath> i was headed to bed soon
[03:43] <persia> Note that testing the dailies and testing the alphas is mostly the same, except the alpha testing gets reported to the tracker.
[03:43] <thewrath> long day at career fair and gfs health issues
[03:43] <persia> Ah.  Sleep well then.
[03:43] <thewrath> there is no /ubuntu-server/releases
[03:44] <thewrath> nvm
[03:44] <thewrath> there are nothing under releases
[03:44] <thewrath> no active isos
[03:44]  * persia hunts
[03:45] <persia> Ah.  server doesn't appear to have released any alphas: they would be in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/releases/jaunty/
[03:45] <thewrath> nothing in there either
[03:45] <persia> RIght.
[03:45] <thewrath> so where would i get the first alpha at so i can start testing?
[03:46] <persia> May as well start with a daily, if you want to help with the alpha testing next week.
[03:47] <thewrath> ok
[03:47] <thewrath> bc of some work schedules and wat not
[03:47] <thewrath> is testing the server or the desktop easier?
[03:48] <persia> Depends on how you do it.  I think it's about the same, but it's very different.
[03:48] <thewrath> k
[03:48] <thewrath> i will try server tomorrow
[03:48] <thewrath> then try desktop
[03:48] <persia> Excellent!
[03:48] <thewrath> i can not download isos when i am at home though
[03:49] <thewrath> they take forever since i have 256k dsl
[03:49] <thewrath> we are brainstorming for the release of ubuntu in 2010?
[03:50] <persia> We're working on the release for April right now.
[03:50] <thewrath> oh ok
[03:50] <thewrath> i just saw stuff on brainstorming for redesign ubuntu for 2010
[03:50] <thewrath> where would i find the ideas for 9.04?
[03:51] <thewrath> think i found it
[03:51] <thewrath> if i stand correct ubuntu 8.10 does not work on wpa2 enterprise wireless correct?
[03:52] <persia> No idea, actually.
[03:55] <thewrath> persia: is there an alpha release of desktop or no?
[03:55] <persia> I believe there are several.
[03:59] <thewrath> persia: the issue i talked to you about the wpa2 enterprise wireless is an issue USA wide
[04:00] <persia> Well, it's probably worth checking for a bug then, and following it.
[04:01] <thewrath> what would i need to do to confirm the bug?
[04:02] <persia> First, find it, then check the /topic of #ubuntu-bugs for some guides on bug management.
[06:56] <ara> morning all :)
[09:41]  * ara takes a break
[11:29]  * ara -> lunch
[14:01] <davmor2> stgraber: ping
[14:23]  * davmor2 away 
[14:56] <stgraber> davmor2: pong
[14:58] <thewrath> hey all
[15:37] <davmor2> stgraber: Yay back :)
[15:37] <davmor2> Where does ltsp store the img is it /opt?
[15:41] <stgraber>  /opt/ltsp/images/
[15:42] <davmor2> you might want to take a look at the latest cd then /opt/ is empty
[15:42] <davmor2> do you want a copy of the syslog?
[15:42] <stgraber> is that /opt on the installed system ?
[15:43] <davmor2> stgraber: /opt on the server side yes
[15:43] <stgraber> weird, and you correctly saw the chroot building during the install ?
[15:44] <davmor2> No that's why I looked in opt and then chased up to confirm I'll drop syslog onto my server
[15:47] <davmor2> stgraber: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/syslog
[15:49] <stgraber> davmor2: weird, ltsp-build-client hasn't started at all ...
[16:47] <stgraber> davmor2: saw #ubuntu-devel ?
[16:47] <stgraber> davmor2: the udeb isn't included in today's daily so ltsp just wasn't there
[16:48] <davmor2> :) D'oh
[16:52] <stgraber> hi heno
[16:52] <heno> hey stgraber :)
[17:59] <davmor2> heno: I'm starting on the apps section now and slowly ploding through everything
[18:00] <heno> davmor2: great :)
[18:01] <davmor2> heno: the ubuntu apps should be full by the next meeting hopefully
[18:26]  * mrooney waves
[18:27] <mrooney> Is there any guide for making your own LDTP tests and contributing them, or for your own application?
[18:28] <nagappan> mrooney, you can start with this http://download.freedesktop.org/ldtp/doc/ldtp-tutorial.pdf
[18:28] <nagappan> mrooney, you can ping ara as well :)
[18:37] <mrooney> Oh no we scared her!
[18:37] <nagappan> mrooney, :)
[18:38] <nagappan> mrooney, you can always redirect me, I'm the maintainer of LDTP
[18:38] <nagappan> I mean the questions
[18:39] <mrooney> nagappan: ahh okay, excellent! what about typos in the pdf? :)
[18:40] <nagappan> mrooney, sure, you are welcome to help me to correct them
[18:40] <nagappan> mrooney, I did that almost 2 years back, need to fix them
[18:41] <mrooney> nagappan: okay, well it looks like a quite useful document so far, I am happy it exists! I noticed on page 6 under Audience, "Its assumed that the us...."
[18:41] <mrooney> I believe that should be It's?
[18:41] <nagappan> mrooney, let me fix it now :) but can upload only from home
[18:41] <nagappan> mrooney, in VMware, we don't have direct access to external servers
[18:42] <mrooney> ah I see
[18:44] <nagappan> mrooney, fixed in my local copy, feel free to give your suggestion :)
[18:45] <mrooney> I guess I need to learn what defines an "accessibility enabled" application.
[18:48] <nagappan> mrooney, application that are written using QT / wxWidgets are not accessibility enabled as of now
[18:48] <nagappan> mrooney, applications written using gtk / Mozilla / Java Swing are a11y enabled
[18:49] <nagappan> mrooney, even in them, the custom widget controls has to be a11y enabled by the developer
[18:49] <nagappan> mrooney, which will expose the property of widget / object
[18:51] <mrooney> oh no my app is written in wxPytho
[18:51] <mrooney> as the developer are there things I can do to make it more testable in LDTP?
[18:52] <nagappan> mrooney, if the application written using gtk / Java Swing / Mozilla XUL, then yes you can, otherwise the underlying framework (toolkit) should support
[18:54] <mrooney> well, it is written in wxPython
[18:55] <mrooney> which is GTK on Linux
[18:55] <mrooney> well I will read more of this wonderful PDF and see what I can learn :)
[19:11] <nagappan> mrooney, sure
[21:52] <nagappan> cr3, to get a fix like this inside Ubuntu 8.10 will take time ? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561631 this is under gtk+ component of gnome
[21:52] <ubot4> Gnome bug 561631 in gail "gailbutton.c:571:idle_do_action: code should not be reached" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[21:53] <cr3> nagappan: you really mean 8.10 by requesting an sru?
[21:53] <nagappan> cr3, we need this for our automated testing
[21:53] <nagappan> cr3, yes, we have our VMware workstation test regularly running on 8.04
[21:53] <nagappan> cr3, we want to upgrade to 8.10
[21:53] <nagappan> cr3, due to that bug, we are struck
[21:54] <cr3> nagappan: the person to talk to for an sru would be slangasek
[21:55] <nagappan> cr3, ok
[21:55] <nagappan> slangasek, ping
[21:55] <nagappan> cr3, thanks for the info :)
[21:55] <slangasek> um, the process to follow is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[21:56] <slangasek> talking to me is orthogonal :)
[21:56] <cr3> love that word!
[21:56] <nagappan> slangasek, :)
[22:16] <NY152> bonsoir tout le monde :)
[23:15] <bdmurray> Anybody have a wubi install on a fat32 parition?