[00:03] hey all, wondering where i can get an older release of xubuntu for mac-ppc (330MHz). [00:05] KyMc1985: Maybe check in ##ubuntu-powerpc ... not a lot of users there but someone may eventually know [00:08] thx, its old and osx can go on it but i dont got the right cds for it lol [00:08] KyMc1985: how old? 6.06 good enough? [00:08] any version really lol [00:08] i'd put windows 95 on it if macs could do windows :P [00:08] as long as i can get a browser thats better than IE5.01 for mac [00:09] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ [00:09] thx [00:09] 804 and up started using ports. Older versions have mac with the others [00:10] ahh i see. [00:10] Keeping in mind, 6.06 and 7.10 are end of support in April [00:11] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/ is where the ports are [00:11] meh, i dont care about the support, if it stops working in a week ill format it :D [00:12] Should be good then. [00:12] one other question. if for some reason i need to go back to OS9, can I do the same ol' hold the C key and boot from CD? [00:12] Now that I don't know. I don't run a mac [00:13] I know to boot from CDs in a mac its just hold the C key and it boots from CD. [00:13] Should work then [00:13] ok, so hopefully nothing will happen to the bios (and if so, who cares, i can swap the chip for the one in my other mac) :D [00:14] Xubuntu doesn't mess with the bios [00:50] Hello People. [00:51] how do I turn on DRI for X? [00:51] glxinfo says "direct rendering: yes". [01:14] Hello People. [01:14] anyone here? [01:15] ~64 [01:20] ok, does XFCE compositor use DRI? [01:20] and do I need to do something to get XFCE to use DRI? [02:10] Hy! A general question about "sysv-rc-conf". It's more or less for usage with Red Hat systems but also widely used on Debian/Ubuntu. What do you think about it (also in comparison with BUM and the default XFCE service control)? [02:20] hello [02:20] Aquina: I think I never heard of it [02:20] hugo99: Hello [02:20] charlie-tca: hello [02:21] charlie-tca: i have problems with thunar i dont understand it [02:21] charlie-tca: why i cant copy thing to the desktop? [02:22] Copy from where ? [02:23] from documentes or anywhere [02:23] why i cant copy things to the desktop [02:23] i need to copy a tar file to the desktop [02:23] You can, if you do it inside Thunar. Just copy to Desktop in Thunar [02:24] because i only know one way to open a tar [02:24] and that is copy to desktiop then cd desktop [02:24] Some of the versions do have copy to Desktop outside Thunar broken [02:24] and then tar -zxvf [02:24] thas the only way i know [02:24] Unless the permissions are wrong, I do it all the time in Thunar and using cp in a terminal [02:25] i see [02:25] cd is the 'change directory command. you can cd to whatver path you want 'cd ~' = home directory 'cd ~/Documents' [02:27] ah ok [02:27] i understand [02:29] zoredache: after i do that just a > appears [02:30] it doesnt look like im inside the home directory [02:30] what exactly did you type? [02:30] cd ~' = home directory [02:30] you don't want the quotes... [02:30] ah ok [02:30] should be - cd ~ [02:30] with a -? [02:31] or just cd [02:31] cd ~ [02:32] that switches to your home directory [02:32] hugo99: here is a good page to read http://www.linuxcommand.org/lts0020.php [02:32] with the =? [02:32] or without [02:32] ok [02:34] how it should appear [02:34] if im inside [02:35] i dont know yet [02:35] if im inside or not [03:05] Can someone help me with an installation? [03:06] Kysito: just ask your question and someone may help you [03:06] Well, I'm trying to install Xubuntu on a NEC Versa 4050C. Pretty old computer. [03:07] I burned a boot disk, and when it comes up with the spec list during the normal boot process, it doesn't start installing. [03:07] It just says LI under the spec list. [03:07] 'spec list'? [03:08] It lists the amounts and different types of ram and stuff. [03:08] And the hard drives, Processor, BIOS... [03:08] you burned the disk as an iso right? [03:08] A what? [03:09] I just clicked on the thing I downloaded and burned it. [03:09] By the way, the Bios date on this thing is 3/3/96, if that means I can't use Xubuntu [03:09] when you look at the cd you created in windows what is on the disk? [03:09] is there several files/diretories, or a single file? [03:09] Hm. [03:09] The laptop has no operating system of its own. [03:10] As of yet. [03:10] I'll check on my comp. [03:11] Lots of folders. [03:11] According to my PC. [03:12] are you sure your laptop is setup to allow booting to the CD in the bios [03:13] btw, how much ram does that system have? [03:13] Pretty sure. [03:14] It has 640 system ram, 39936 extended ram, 384 Shadow Ram, and 256 Cache Ram. [03:14] All KBs. [03:14] I got this thing second hand. [03:14] right... you aren't going to be able to run xubuntu on that [03:15] Kysito: what do you want to do w/ your computer, assuming you can get linux on it? [03:15] Test Editing, maybe read some webcomics. [03:15] you need 192MB to install with livecd, or 64MB with the alternate cd [03:15] I have a PCI lan card. [03:15] *text editing [03:16] this guy installed redhat 4.0 on a NEC Versan 405H -- http://www.freelabs.com/~whitis/linux/versa/ [03:16] I had red hat 7 on it. [03:16] Redhat 4.0, is the version of redhat from 1995 [03:16] But it wouldn't work except in text. [03:16] but honestly, it seems like a waste of time -- you aren't going to be able to do any graphics work, even getting a GUI desktop [03:17] Thanks for your help, though, guys. [03:17] good luck with it, if you proceed [03:17] It'd just be nice to have even a basic desktop. [03:17] but it seems like a lot of hardship for not that much payoff :-( [03:17] not sure why you aren't at least seeing the boot loader though [03:18] It'd be a big payoff, as this is the only laptop I'm likely to recieve. [03:18] you may want to try ratpoison [03:18] Wait. [03:18] Hang on a sec. [03:18] There's something else. [03:19] maybe damnsmalllinux.org [03:19] To get Red Hat to work, I have to open the settings accessible while it's booting, and close them again. [03:19] That gets it to boot red hat. [03:19] have you tried DSL? [03:19] DSL? [03:19] This is my first real linux experience. [03:19] I have DSL internet. [03:19] http://damnsmalllinux.org/ [03:20] Not yet. [03:22] How do I go about downloading it? I get a weird web page that says Index of /pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall. [03:23] Kysito, dsl? [03:23] Yeah. [03:23] I'm trying it. [03:23] ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.10-syslinux.iso [03:23] Trying to download it. [03:24] Thanks! [03:24] Darth_Tux: know if it comes w/ x manager? [03:24] np, if that isnt good you can try ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.10.iso [03:25] it comes with fluxbox [03:25] ah, ok. so Kysito - you'll at least have a graphics environment to play around in [03:25] That's what I want, really. [03:25] fluxbox is nice [03:26] did fluxubuntu go belly up? [03:26] Kysito: you'll still need at least 50 MB of space for the install alone [03:26] Darth_Tux: "We Are Still Alive And Strong!" heh [03:27] I have an 810 meg hard drive. [03:27] No problem. [03:27] On the laptop, that is. [03:27] Kysito, how much ram? [03:28] sounded like 32mb [03:28] it might be ok [03:29] It's a strange old laptop. [03:29] But I like it. [03:30] I suspect I would be out dumpster-diving, or checking craigslist. I bet you could find something newer pretty easy [03:30] I got it from a friend. [03:30] And there's something cool about it. [03:30] Like my dad's Atari. [03:30] zoredache: :-) Kystio- you can go to #damnsmalllinux if you want more help. but it's a small group -- 14 online currently [03:30] DSL is working. [03:31] Thanks, guys. [03:31] You've helped a lot. [03:31] Mood, have you used the KDE4 in ubuntu yet? [03:32] Darth_Tux: not yet. you? [03:39] not me, i am not a fan, though i am curious [03:41] Darth_Tux: looks like it's trying to emulate Vista somewhat [03:42] which is reason enough to avoid it [03:45] vertical panel + system tray = ;[ [03:52] later gentlemen, have a good night [03:57] How do i see what output device to use for sound? [03:58] i get sound...but im trying to configure amsn and it can't play sound through my sound devices.../dev/dsp or /dev/audio [04:24] Anyone tried mirc + wine? [04:27] yes [04:27] It works basically but I haven't tested all the functions yet. [04:27] You can run mIRC also without relying on registry entries. [04:39] is that something you tell it to do on install? [05:53] hey, can someone help me locate Wi-Fi Radar? [05:54] hmmmmm [05:55] what do you exactly mean by "locate" [05:55] well someone helped me install it. now i cant locate it to use it. [05:55] ok, lets go back few steps [05:55] what was your original problem? [05:56] I wanted Wi-Fi radar so i could have a GUI wifi app. So someone in ubuntu helped me install it. now, i cant find it on my menu anywhere and its still not in Add/Remove. However, when i used Synaptic it is in there and it has the green box checked. [05:57] ok... didn't you have a GUI wifi app with the little NetworkManager applet? [05:58] I'm trying to find that wifi-radar btw at the same time [05:58] if your talking about the little networking icon at the top by the clock... that thing is worthless. im not going to know every access points SSID. [05:59] Xubuntu doesnt have a GUI wifi application that i have seen. [06:00] I have to confess I haven't used Wifi Radar myself since spring of 2006 :-P [06:00] but never mind that, we'll get you done [06:01] i found it. [06:02] its in the file directory in applications. [06:02] now i just have to figure out how to make it run [06:02] sounds about the right place [06:02] Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory). [06:03] people in #ubuntu seemed to help you find the .desktop file [06:03] can you tell me what's on the line starting Exec? [06:03] wha? [06:05] in /usr/share/applications/ , there's a file that starts with wifi and ends with .desktop [06:06] open it up in a text editor, and search for a line with Exec on it. [06:07] gksudo mousepad /usr/share/applications/ [06:07] none of the files in applications end in anything [06:07] they just have the names [06:07] ok, search for the one with wifi on it and open it with a text editor [06:09] like mousepad or word? [06:09] like mousepad [06:10] Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/wifi-radar [06:10] mmmkay :-) [06:10] just as I suspected [06:11] how do i fix it? [06:12] hm. [06:12] which version of xubuntu do you have, btw? [06:12] 8.10 [06:13] 64-bit [06:15] argh, I can't install wifi-radar myself, the Finnish mirror doesn't respond to me... [06:15] hold on [06:15] alright [06:16] apt-cache search wifi radar [06:17] sudo apt-get install wifi-radar [06:17] thats what i used to install it [06:17] yeah [06:18] that's what I did, but the installer can't download anything [06:18] anyway, here's what we'll do. [06:18] it took a minute for me no more than 5 mins. [06:19] hmmm [06:20] have you recently updated sudo? [06:20] i wouldnt know how to. [06:20] i installed this os 2 days ago? [06:21] had a good number of updates [06:22] sudo updated earlier today, i believe [06:22] if it was an update in update manager then if there was an update i installed it. [06:23] oh i found it. [06:23] Sw3RvE: could you open up a terminal and type in "apt-cache policy sudo" [06:24] im downloading and installing the updates now. [06:24] could you cancel that for a moment [06:24] its almost done now... it wont let me click close [06:25] ok... [06:25] its finished [06:25] run this > apt-cache policy sudo ? [06:25] yeah [06:26] Installed: 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1 [06:26] Candidate: 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1 [06:26] Version table: [06:26] *** 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1 0 [06:26] 500 http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Packages [06:26] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [06:26] 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2 0 [06:26] 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages [06:26] ok [06:26] could you try to launch that wifi radar once more [06:26] its opening as a text file? [06:27] um, no from the menu's [06:27] like when you got that error with su-to-root [06:28] Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory). [06:28] ok, just checking [06:31] do you still have terminal open [06:32] no [06:33] sorry i didnt know i had to keep it open if you needed something from earlier. [06:33] yeah, neither did I [06:33] so no need to be sorry :-) [06:34] all i did was get the version of sudo tho? [06:34] well. this time you could try what happens if you try to enter without the quotes "gksudo wifi-radar" [06:36] i think its running wifi radar now [06:36] ok [06:36] but the mouse has the busy wheel [06:36] ok went away [06:36] so i have to type that to run it? [06:36] do you get any applet on the taskbar? [06:36] WiFi Radar? [06:36] Sw3RvE: no, we'll fix that, now I just wanted to see if it works at all [06:36] Sw3RvE: something like that :-) [06:37] cool [06:37] did you get the applet? [06:38] what do you mean [06:38] like the application itself "WiFi Radar" [06:38] yeah [06:38] yea [06:38] woo! [06:39] :) [06:39] could you close that so we can fix that menu entry for you so you don't have to type that in everytime [06:39] yup, done. [06:41] now type in "gksudo thunar" and navigate to that directory where you found that Wifi Radar file, the one that you opened earlier with a text editor. In /usr/share/applications. [06:41] be very careful not to move any file anywhere though [06:43] so right-click it and open with text editor? [06:43] yeah [06:43] ok [06:43] [Desktop Entry] [06:43] Version=1.0 [06:43] Encoding=UTF-8 [06:43] Type=Application [06:43] Name=Wifi-radar [06:43] GenericName=Wireless tool [06:43] Comment=Tool for connecting to wireless networks [06:44] Icon=wifi-radar.svg [06:44] TryExec=/usr/sbin/wifi-radar [06:44] Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/wifi-radar [06:44] Categories=Application;Network; [06:45] replace "su-to-root -X -c" with "gksudo" and save [06:45] after that, type in the terminal "sudo gtk-update-icon-cache" [06:45] replace all that with that? [06:45] replace from this line Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/wifi-radar [06:45] su-to-root -X -c [06:46] with gksudo [06:46] Exec=gksudo /usr/sbin/wifi-radar [06:47] yup [06:47] now save it? [06:47] yeah [06:47] save or save as [06:47] save [06:48] ok now [06:48] after that, type in the terminal "sudo gtk-update-icon-cache" [06:48] run this >>> sudo gtk-update-icon-cache [06:48] yeah [06:48] it will probably ask for your sudo password again [06:48] if it doesn't that's fine too [06:48] no it just went to the next line [06:49] sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$ gksudo wifi-radar [06:49] sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$ gksudo thunar [06:49] sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$ sudo gtk-update-icon-cache [06:49] sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$ [06:49] check if you can use that item in the menu now [06:49] yup! [06:49] sweet :) [06:50] excellent :-) [06:50] thanks! now is there a way to place a link or shortcut of this in the network menu? [06:50] one good deed of the day done and it's not even 0900 yet! [06:50] wohoo! [06:50] so i dont have to hunt it down... [06:51] i was going to ask my teacher at class saturday to help. (shes a linux instructor) shes teaching us networking and protocols tho. [06:52] Sw3RvE: looking at that .desktop file, you should already see that menu entry in the Network part of the menu [06:52] oh yup. its there now. [06:52] :-) [06:52] sweet. now to figure out how to use it! lol [06:53] ill ask my teacher to set that part up. the hard part is done now. :) [06:53] hehe [06:53] anyway, I'm off to make my morning coffee :-) [06:54] thanks again. im going to go watch yes man then go to sleep. thanks again! [06:54] haha said it twice... [07:34] Hey, just wondering if xubuntu 8.10 will install on a pc with 128MB ram if i install directly from the CD on boot (rather than loading running the livecd) [07:35] you can get it running somewhat... it won't be pleasant [07:35] !lowmem [07:35] For installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements. [07:35] particularly if you try to run applications that want lots of memory (firefox, openoffice, mozilla, ....) [07:38] zoredache: sweet, i didn't realise i could do something similar to a debian netinst with ubuntu. [07:38] zoredache: i'll be upping the ram to 512MB but i have to wait for that to be delivered, hehe [07:39] ah, good. Installing via the 'alternate cd' is want you'll need to do. 192mb is required for the xubuntu livecd [07:41] zoredache: oh, and while im here.. do you know if has anyone put together guides for tweaking [x]ubuntu to run off CF-ide drives? [07:43] there are a couple articles on the wiki about running of usb-flash, I suspect the issues would be pretty much the same [07:43] !usb [07:43] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [07:44] zoredache: thanks, ill take a look. not quite what im after but might have some useful bits [07:45] when it comes to running off flash, primarily what you want to do is disable your swap, and setup tmpfs so things /tmp is working from a ramdisk [07:46] at least with some types of flash memory there is a fairly small number of read-write cycles that a block of memory can go through before it becomes damaged and unusable [07:48] zoredache: yeah, i have played with flash installs before and know changes to swap, ramdisk, hdparm and mounting options can make the drive last much longer :) was mainly hoping someone had made the tweaking process easier hehe [09:06] could i replace thunar with nautilus --no-desktop but use the xfce desktop? i mean, open folders from xfce desktop in nautilus by default? [09:09] you mean use nautilus as your file browser while still using xfce as desktop manager? [10:36] hah hello :) [10:36] I think that any intensive disk usage halt all application enough to be painfull [10:37] does process priority corresponds to disk usage priority? [10:37] e.g. low cpu usage but apps not responsive when any app is using disk too much [10:39] also, am i crazy or getting partition full to 91% slows things down considerably? :) [10:39] ext3 [10:42] hello, I am sitting in the ubuntu live CD and want to install ubuntu into an LVM that I created with my existing fedora installation [10:43] but when I click install the partition setup doesn't see the LVM and it says that it is unused space [10:44] how do I get xubuntu installer to see the LVM from fedora and allow me to install in the space that I have reserved it for [10:54] Nyad? is that partition from fedora blank? [10:54] separate blank partition, not used by fedora? [10:54] yes [10:54] I suggest you make backup of your fedora /boot and /boot/grub/menu.lst [10:55] im overwriting MBR with ubuntu grub [10:55] no need to save it [10:55] you can later copy/paste things to boot fedora, if fedora is not recognized during install. but i think it will [10:55] and /boot is in a separate partition [10:56] That is right, that is why you need to backup all in fedora`s /boot [10:56] after installing ubuntu you can figure out to get back fedora kernel and menu.lst options etc [10:56] ok [10:56] that's done [10:56] because on previous versions when i was installing on separate /boot it was needed to format that separate /boot [10:57] Well, if it is saying there is no partition, make it with live cd [10:57] personally i always use textual alternat einstall etc. [10:58] I have one LVM made by fedora which is all the remaining space, i have reserved 20 GB in a LVM partition for ubuntu, I have no more space [10:58] that space is sitting inside my LVM [10:58] and ubuntu can't see it [10:59] it tells me the partition /dev/sda3 is unknown [10:59] for the filesystem [10:59] i mean for [10:59] the amount of space used [11:00] I personally dont use lvm but regular partitions in raid [11:00] if space is unused like it is saying, make new partition right? [11:01] i think sda3 is physical partition [11:01] matbe lvm paririon have other designations or something? [11:01] it is, yet its the LVM which has a gentoo/fedora and ubuntu and home logical partition inside it [11:02] /dev/sda3 318 19452 153701887+ 8e Linux LVM [11:02] thats what fdisk calls it [11:05] so, GUI install of xubuntu doesn`t see it, but fdisk can see it? hmm [11:05] What xubuntu version is that? 8.04 or 8.10? [11:07] 8.10 [11:08] unless from withing the liveCD i have a way of invoking the textual install [11:09] that may help me more since it should have more options [11:11] yes, i always use alternate cd and textual menu install [11:11] ya but the liveCD should permit me to do the same somehow? [11:12] yes, mostly the same. [11:12] do df -h to see what partitions are mounted on live now.. [11:12] pastebin.ubuntu.org [11:13]