[00:03] <KyMc1985> hey all, wondering where i can get an older release of xubuntu for mac-ppc (330MHz).
[00:05] <genii> KyMc1985: Maybe check in ##ubuntu-powerpc ... not a lot of users there but someone may eventually know
[00:08] <KyMc1985> thx, its old and osx can go on it but i dont got the right cds for it lol
[00:08] <charlie-tca> KyMc1985: how old? 6.06 good enough?
[00:08] <KyMc1985> any version really lol
[00:08] <KyMc1985> i'd put windows 95 on it if macs could do windows :P
[00:08] <KyMc1985> as long as i can get a browser thats better than IE5.01 for mac
[00:09] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[00:09] <KyMc1985> thx
[00:09] <charlie-tca> 804 and up started using ports. Older versions have mac with the others
[00:10] <KyMc1985> ahh i see.
[00:10] <charlie-tca> Keeping in mind, 6.06 and 7.10 are end of support in April
[00:11] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/ is where the ports are
[00:11] <KyMc1985> meh, i dont care about the support, if it stops working in a week ill format it :D
[00:12] <charlie-tca> Should be good then.
[00:12] <KyMc1985> one other question. if for some reason i need to go back to OS9, can I do the same ol' hold the C key and boot from CD?
[00:12] <charlie-tca> Now that I don't know. I don't run a mac
[00:13] <KyMc1985> I know to boot from CDs in a mac its just hold the C key and it boots from CD.
[00:13] <charlie-tca> Should work then
[00:13] <KyMc1985> ok, so hopefully nothing will happen to the bios (and if so, who cares, i can swap the chip for the one in my other mac) :D
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu doesn't mess with the bios
[00:50] <xubuser> Hello People.
[00:51] <xubuser> how do I turn on DRI for X?
[00:51] <xubuser> glxinfo says "direct rendering: yes".
[01:14] <xubuser> Hello People.
[01:14] <xubuser> anyone here?
[01:15] <genii> ~64
[01:20] <xubuser> ok, does XFCE compositor use DRI?
[01:20] <xubuser> and do I need to do something to get XFCE to use DRI?
[02:10] <Aquina> Hy! A general question about "sysv-rc-conf". It's more or less for usage with Red Hat systems but also widely used on Debian/Ubuntu. What do you think about it (also in comparison with BUM and the default XFCE service control)?
[02:20] <hugo99> hello
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Aquina: I think I never heard of it
[02:20] <charlie-tca> hugo99: Hello
[02:20] <hugo99> charlie-tca: hello
[02:21] <hugo99> charlie-tca: i have problems with thunar i dont understand it
[02:21] <hugo99> charlie-tca: why i cant copy thing to the desktop?
[02:22] <charlie-tca> Copy from where ?
[02:23] <hugo99> from documentes or anywhere
[02:23] <hugo99> why i cant copy things to the desktop
[02:23] <hugo99> i need to copy a tar file to the desktop
[02:23] <charlie-tca> You can, if you do it inside Thunar. Just copy to Desktop in Thunar
[02:24] <hugo99> because i only know one way to open a tar
[02:24] <hugo99> and that is copy to desktiop then cd desktop
[02:24] <charlie-tca> Some of the versions do have copy to Desktop outside Thunar broken
[02:24] <hugo99> and then tar -zxvf
[02:24] <hugo99> thas the only way i know
[02:24] <charlie-tca> Unless the permissions are wrong, I do it all the time in Thunar and using cp in a terminal
[02:25] <hugo99> i see
[02:25] <zoredache> cd is the 'change directory command. you can cd to whatver path you want 'cd ~' = home directory 'cd ~/Documents'
[02:27] <hugo99> ah ok
[02:27] <hugo99> i understand
[02:29] <hugo99> zoredache: after i do that just a > appears
[02:30] <hugo99> it doesnt look like im inside the home directory
[02:30] <zoredache> what exactly did you type?
[02:30] <hugo99> cd ~' = home directory
[02:30] <zoredache> you don't want the quotes...
[02:30] <hugo99> ah ok
[02:30] <zoredache> should be - cd ~
[02:30] <hugo99> with a -?
[02:31] <hugo99> or just cd
[02:31] <zoredache> cd ~
[02:32] <zoredache> that switches to your home directory
[02:32] <zoredache> hugo99: here is a good page to read http://www.linuxcommand.org/lts0020.php
[02:32] <hugo99> with the =?
[02:32] <hugo99> or without
[02:32] <hugo99> ok
[02:34] <hugo99> how it should appear
[02:34] <hugo99> if im inside
[02:35] <hugo99> i dont know yet
[02:35] <hugo99> if im inside or not
[03:05] <Kysito> Can someone help me with an installation?
[03:06] <Mood> Kysito: just ask your question and someone may help you
[03:06] <Kysito> Well, I'm trying to install Xubuntu on a NEC Versa 4050C. Pretty old computer.
[03:07] <Kysito> I burned a boot disk, and when it comes up with the spec list during the normal boot process, it doesn't start installing.
[03:07] <Kysito> It just says LI under the spec list.
[03:07] <zoredache> 'spec list'?
[03:08] <Kysito> It lists the amounts and different types of ram and stuff.
[03:08] <Kysito> And the hard drives, Processor, BIOS...
[03:08] <zoredache> you burned the disk as an iso right?
[03:08] <Kysito> A what?
[03:09] <Kysito> I just clicked on the thing I downloaded and burned it.
[03:09] <Kysito> By the way, the Bios date on this thing is 3/3/96, if that means I can't use Xubuntu
[03:09] <zoredache> when you look at the cd you created in windows what is on the disk?
[03:09] <zoredache> is there several files/diretories, or a single file?
[03:09] <Kysito> Hm.
[03:09] <Kysito> The laptop has no operating system of its own.
[03:10] <Kysito> As of yet.
[03:10] <Kysito> I'll check on my comp.
[03:11] <Kysito> Lots of folders.
[03:11] <Kysito> According to my PC.
[03:12] <zoredache> are you sure your laptop is setup to allow booting to the CD in the bios
[03:13] <zoredache> btw, how much ram does that system have?
[03:13] <Kysito> Pretty sure.
[03:14] <Kysito> It has 640 system ram, 39936 extended ram, 384 Shadow Ram, and 256 Cache Ram.
[03:14] <Kysito> All KBs.
[03:14] <Kysito> I got this thing second hand.
[03:14] <zoredache> right... you aren't going to be able to run xubuntu on that
[03:15] <Mood> Kysito: what do you want to do w/ your computer, assuming you can get linux on it?
[03:15] <Kysito> Test Editing, maybe read some webcomics.
[03:15] <zoredache> you need 192MB to install with livecd, or 64MB with the alternate cd
[03:15] <Kysito> I have a PCI lan card.
[03:15] <Kysito> *text editing
[03:16] <Mood> this guy installed redhat 4.0 on a NEC Versan 405H -- http://www.freelabs.com/~whitis/linux/versa/
[03:16] <Kysito> I had red hat 7 on it.
[03:16] <zoredache> Redhat 4.0, is the version of redhat from 1995
[03:16] <Kysito> But it wouldn't work except in text.
[03:16] <Mood> but honestly, it seems like a waste of time -- you aren't going to be able to do any graphics work, even getting a GUI desktop
[03:17] <Kysito> Thanks for your help, though, guys.
[03:17] <Mood> good luck with it, if you proceed
[03:17] <Kysito> It'd just be nice to have even a basic desktop.
[03:17] <Mood> but it seems like a lot of hardship for not that much payoff :-(
[03:17] <zoredache> not sure why you aren't at least seeing the boot loader though
[03:18] <Kysito> It'd be a big payoff, as this is the only laptop I'm likely to recieve.
[03:18] <Mood> you may want to try ratpoison
[03:18] <Kysito> Wait.
[03:18] <Kysito> Hang on a sec.
[03:18] <Kysito> There's something else.
[03:19] <Mood> maybe damnsmalllinux.org
[03:19] <Kysito> To get Red Hat to work, I have to open the settings accessible while it's booting, and close them again.
[03:19] <Kysito> That gets it to boot red hat.
[03:19] <Mood> have you tried DSL?
[03:19] <Kysito> DSL?
[03:19] <Kysito> This is my first real linux experience.
[03:19] <Kysito> I have DSL internet.
[03:19] <zoredache> http://damnsmalllinux.org/
[03:20] <Kysito> Not yet.
[03:22] <Kysito> How do I go about downloading it? I get a weird web page that says Index of /pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall.
[03:23] <Darth_Tux> Kysito, dsl?
[03:23] <Kysito> Yeah.
[03:23] <Kysito> I'm trying it.
[03:23] <Darth_Tux> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.10-syslinux.iso
[03:23] <Kysito> Trying to download it.
[03:24] <Kysito> Thanks!
[03:24] <Mood> Darth_Tux: know if it comes w/ x manager?
[03:24] <Darth_Tux> np, if that isnt good you can try    ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.10.iso
[03:25] <Darth_Tux> it comes with fluxbox
[03:25] <Mood> ah, ok. so Kysito - you'll at least have a graphics environment to play around in
[03:25] <Kysito> That's what I want, really.
[03:25] <Darth_Tux> fluxbox is nice
[03:26] <Darth_Tux> did fluxubuntu go belly up?
[03:26] <Mood> Kysito: you'll still need at least 50 MB of space for the install alone
[03:26] <Mood> Darth_Tux: "We Are Still Alive And Strong!" heh
[03:27] <Kysito> I have an 810 meg hard drive.
[03:27] <Kysito> No problem.
[03:27] <Kysito> On the laptop, that is.
[03:27] <Darth_Tux> Kysito, how much ram?
[03:28] <zoredache> sounded like 32mb
[03:28] <Darth_Tux> it might be ok
[03:29] <Kysito> It's a strange old laptop.
[03:29] <Kysito> But I like it.
[03:30] <zoredache> I suspect I would be out dumpster-diving, or checking craigslist.  I bet you could find something newer pretty easy
[03:30] <Kysito> I got it from a friend.
[03:30] <Kysito> And there's something cool about it.
[03:30] <Kysito> Like my dad's Atari.
[03:30] <Mood> zoredache: :-) Kystio- you can go to #damnsmalllinux if you want more help. but it's a small group -- 14 online currently
[03:30] <Kysito> DSL is working.
[03:31] <Kysito> Thanks, guys.
[03:31] <Kysito> You've helped a lot.
[03:31] <Darth_Tux> Mood, have you used the KDE4 in ubuntu yet?
[03:32] <Mood> Darth_Tux: not yet. you?
[03:39] <Darth_Tux> not me, i am not a fan, though i am curious
[03:41] <Mood> Darth_Tux: looks like it's trying to emulate Vista somewhat
[03:42] <Darth_Tux> which is reason enough to avoid it
[03:45] <terminal> vertical panel + system tray = </3
[03:45] <terminal> ;[
[03:52] <Darth_Tux> later gentlemen, have a good night
[03:57] <G-Blunted> How do i see what output device to use for sound?
[03:58] <G-Blunted> i get sound...but im trying to configure amsn and it can't play sound through my sound devices.../dev/dsp or /dev/audio
[04:24] <G-Blunted> Anyone tried mirc + wine?
[04:27] <Aquina> yes
[04:27] <Aquina> It works basically but I haven't tested all the functions yet.
[04:27] <Aquina> You can run mIRC also without relying on registry entries.
[04:39] <G-Blunted> is that something you tell it to do on install?
[05:53] <Sw3RvE> hey, can someone help me locate Wi-Fi Radar?
[05:54] <Myrtti> hmmmmm
[05:55] <Myrtti> what do you exactly mean by "locate"
[05:55] <Sw3RvE> well someone helped me install it. now i cant locate it to use it.
[05:55] <Myrtti> ok, lets go back few steps
[05:55] <Myrtti> what was your original problem?
[05:56] <Sw3RvE> I wanted Wi-Fi radar so i could have a GUI wifi app. So someone in ubuntu helped me install it. now, i cant find it on my menu anywhere and its still not in Add/Remove. However, when i used Synaptic it is in there and it has the green box checked.
[05:57] <Myrtti> ok... didn't you have a GUI wifi app with the little NetworkManager applet?
[05:58] <Myrtti> I'm trying to find that wifi-radar btw at the same time
[05:58] <Sw3RvE> if your talking about the little networking icon at the top by the clock... that thing is worthless. im not going to know every access points SSID.
[05:59] <Sw3RvE> Xubuntu doesnt have a GUI wifi application that i have seen.
[06:00] <Myrtti> I have to confess I haven't used Wifi Radar myself since spring of 2006 :-P
[06:00] <Myrtti> but never mind that, we'll get you done
[06:01] <Sw3RvE> i found it.
[06:02] <Sw3RvE> its in the file directory in applications.
[06:02] <Sw3RvE> now i just have to figure out how to make it run
[06:02] <Myrtti> sounds about the right place
[06:02] <Sw3RvE> Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory).
[06:03] <Myrtti> people in #ubuntu seemed to help you find the .desktop file
[06:03] <Myrtti> can you tell me what's on the line starting Exec?
[06:03] <Sw3RvE> wha?
[06:05] <Myrtti> in /usr/share/applications/ , there's a file that starts with wifi and ends with .desktop
[06:06] <Myrtti> open it up in a text editor, and search for a line with Exec on it.
[06:07] <Myrtti> gksudo mousepad /usr/share/applications/<filename>
[06:07] <Sw3RvE> none of the files in applications end in anything
[06:07] <Sw3RvE> they just have the names
[06:07] <Myrtti> ok, search for the one with wifi on it and open it with a text editor
[06:09] <Sw3RvE> like mousepad or word?
[06:09] <Myrtti> like mousepad
[06:10] <Sw3RvE> Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/wifi-radar
[06:10] <Myrtti> mmmkay :-)
[06:10] <Myrtti> just as I suspected
[06:11] <Sw3RvE> how do i fix it?
[06:12] <Myrtti> hm.
[06:12] <Myrtti> which version of xubuntu do you have, btw?
[06:12] <Sw3RvE> 8.10
[06:13] <Sw3RvE> 64-bit
[06:15] <Myrtti> argh, I can't install wifi-radar myself, the Finnish mirror doesn't respond to me...
[06:15] <Myrtti> hold on
[06:15] <Sw3RvE> alright
[06:16] <Sw3RvE> apt-cache search wifi radar
[06:17] <Sw3RvE> sudo apt-get install wifi-radar
[06:17] <Sw3RvE> thats what i used to install it
[06:17] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:18] <Myrtti> that's what I did, but the installer can't download anything
[06:18] <Myrtti> anyway, here's what we'll do.
[06:18] <Sw3RvE> it took a minute for me no more than 5 mins.
[06:19] <Myrtti> hmmm
[06:20] <Myrtti> have you recently updated sudo?
[06:20] <Sw3RvE> i wouldnt know how to.
[06:20] <Sw3RvE> i installed this os 2 days ago?
[06:21] <Sw3RvE> had a good number of updates
[06:22] <atom^x> sudo updated earlier today, i believe
[06:22] <Sw3RvE> if it was an update in update manager then if there was an update i installed it.
[06:23] <Sw3RvE> oh i found it.
[06:23] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: could you open up a terminal and type in "apt-cache policy sudo"
[06:24] <Sw3RvE> im downloading and installing the updates now.
[06:24] <Myrtti> could you cancel that for  a moment
[06:24] <Sw3RvE> its almost done now... it wont let me click close
[06:25] <Myrtti> ok...
[06:25] <Sw3RvE> its finished
[06:25] <Sw3RvE> run this > apt-cache policy sudo ?
[06:25] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:26] <Sw3RvE> Installed: 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1
[06:26] <Sw3RvE>   Candidate: 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1
[06:26] <Sw3RvE>   Version table:
[06:26] <Sw3RvE>  *** 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2.1 0
[06:26] <Sw3RvE>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Packages
[06:26] <Sw3RvE>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:26] <Sw3RvE>      1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2 0
[06:26] <Sw3RvE>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
[06:26] <Myrtti> ok
[06:26] <Myrtti> could you try to launch that wifi radar once more
[06:26] <Sw3RvE> its opening as a text file?
[06:27] <Myrtti> um, no from the menu's
[06:27] <Myrtti> like when you got that error with su-to-root
[06:28] <Sw3RvE> Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory).
[06:28] <Myrtti> ok, just checking
[06:31] <Myrtti> do you still have terminal open
[06:32] <Sw3RvE> no
[06:33] <Sw3RvE> sorry i didnt know i had to keep it open if you needed something from earlier.
[06:33] <Myrtti> yeah, neither did I
[06:33] <Myrtti> so no need to be sorry :-)
[06:34] <Sw3RvE> all i did was get the version of sudo tho?
[06:34] <Myrtti> well. this time you could try what happens if you try to enter without the quotes "gksudo wifi-radar"
[06:36] <Sw3RvE> i think its running wifi radar now
[06:36] <Myrtti> ok
[06:36] <Sw3RvE> but the mouse has the busy wheel
[06:36] <Sw3RvE> ok went away
[06:36] <Sw3RvE> so i have to type that to run it?
[06:36] <Myrtti> do you get any applet on the taskbar?
[06:36] <Sw3RvE> WiFi Radar?
[06:36] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: no, we'll fix that, now I just wanted to see if it works at all
[06:36] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: something like that :-)
[06:37] <Sw3RvE> cool
[06:37] <Myrtti> did you get the applet?
[06:38] <Sw3RvE> what do you mean
[06:38] <Sw3RvE> like the application itself "WiFi Radar"
[06:38] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:38] <Sw3RvE> yea
[06:38] <Myrtti> woo!
[06:39] <Sw3RvE> :)
[06:39] <Myrtti> could you close that so we can fix that menu entry for you so you don't have to type that in everytime
[06:39] <Sw3RvE> yup, done.
[06:41] <Myrtti> now type in "gksudo thunar" and navigate to that directory where you found that Wifi Radar file, the one that you opened earlier with a text editor. In /usr/share/applications.
[06:41] <Myrtti> be very careful not to move any file anywhere though
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> so right-click it and open with text editor?
[06:43] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> ok
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> [Desktop Entry]
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> Version=1.0
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> Encoding=UTF-8
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> Type=Application
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> Name=Wifi-radar
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> GenericName=Wireless tool
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> Comment=Tool for connecting to wireless networks
[06:44] <Sw3RvE> Icon=wifi-radar.svg
[06:44] <Sw3RvE> TryExec=/usr/sbin/wifi-radar
[06:44] <Sw3RvE> Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/wifi-radar
[06:44] <Sw3RvE> Categories=Application;Network;
[06:45] <Myrtti> replace "su-to-root -X -c" with "gksudo" and save
[06:45] <Myrtti> after that, type in the terminal "sudo gtk-update-icon-cache"
[06:45] <Sw3RvE> replace all that with that?
[06:45] <Myrtti> replace from this line Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/wifi-radar
[06:45] <Myrtti> su-to-root -X -c
[06:46] <Myrtti> with gksudo
[06:46] <Sw3RvE> Exec=gksudo /usr/sbin/wifi-radar
[06:47] <Myrtti> yup
[06:47] <Sw3RvE> now save it?
[06:47] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:47] <Sw3RvE> save or save as
[06:47] <Myrtti> save
[06:48] <Sw3RvE> ok now
[06:48] <Myrtti> after that, type in the terminal "sudo gtk-update-icon-cache"
[06:48] <Sw3RvE> run this >>> sudo gtk-update-icon-cache
[06:48] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:48] <Myrtti> it will probably ask for your sudo password again
[06:48] <Myrtti> if it doesn't that's fine too
[06:48] <Sw3RvE> no it just went to the next line
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$ gksudo wifi-radar
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$ gksudo thunar
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$ sudo gtk-update-icon-cache
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$
[06:49] <Myrtti> check if you can use that item in the menu now
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> yup!
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> sweet :)
[06:50] <Myrtti> excellent :-)
[06:50] <Sw3RvE> thanks! now is there a way to place a link or shortcut of this in the network menu?
[06:50] <Myrtti> one good deed of the day done and it's not even 0900 yet!
[06:50] <Myrtti> wohoo!
[06:50] <Sw3RvE> so i dont have to hunt it down...
[06:51] <Sw3RvE> i was going to ask my teacher at class saturday to help. (shes a linux instructor) shes teaching us networking and protocols tho.
[06:52] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: looking at that .desktop file, you should already see that menu entry in the Network part of the menu
[06:52] <Sw3RvE> oh yup. its there now.
[06:52] <Myrtti> :-)
[06:52] <Sw3RvE> sweet. now to figure out how to use it! lol
[06:53] <Sw3RvE> ill ask my teacher to set that part up. the hard part is done now. :)
[06:53] <Myrtti> hehe
[06:53] <Myrtti> anyway, I'm off to make my morning coffee :-)
[06:54] <Sw3RvE> thanks again. im going to go watch yes man then go to sleep. thanks again!
[06:54] <Sw3RvE> haha said it twice...
[07:34] <rebecca_> Hey, just wondering if xubuntu 8.10 will install on a pc with 128MB ram if i install directly from the CD on boot (rather than loading running the livecd)
[07:35] <zoredache> you can get it running somewhat... it won't be pleasant
[07:35] <zoredache> !lowmem
[07:35] <zoredache> particularly if you try to run applications that want lots of memory (firefox, openoffice, mozilla, ....)
[07:38] <rebecca_> zoredache: sweet, i didn't realise i could do something similar to a debian netinst with ubuntu.
[07:38] <rebecca_> zoredache: i'll be upping the ram to 512MB but i have to wait for that to be delivered, hehe
[07:39] <zoredache> ah, good.  Installing via the 'alternate cd' is want you'll need to do.  192mb is required for the xubuntu livecd
[07:41] <rebecca_> zoredache: oh, and while im here.. do you know if has anyone put together guides for tweaking [x]ubuntu to run off CF-ide drives?
[07:43] <zoredache> there are a couple articles on the wiki about running of usb-flash,  I suspect the issues would be pretty much the same
[07:43] <zoredache> !usb
[07:44] <rebecca_> zoredache: thanks, ill take a look. not quite what im after but might have some useful bits
[07:45] <zoredache> when it comes to running off flash, primarily what you want to do is disable your swap, and setup tmpfs so things /tmp is working from a ramdisk
[07:46] <zoredache> at least with some types of flash memory there is a fairly small number of read-write cycles that a block of memory can go through before it becomes damaged and unusable
[07:48] <rebecca_> zoredache: yeah, i have played with flash installs before and know changes to swap, ramdisk, hdparm and mounting options can make the drive last much longer :) was mainly hoping someone had made the tweaking process easier hehe
[09:06] <jxander> could i replace thunar with nautilus --no-desktop but use the xfce desktop? i mean, open folders from xfce desktop in nautilus by default?
[09:09] <R1cochet> you mean use nautilus as your file browser while still using xfce as desktop manager?
[10:36] <nikolam> hah hello :)
[10:36] <nikolam> I think that any intensive disk usage halt all application enough to be painfull
[10:37] <nikolam> does process priority corresponds to disk usage priority?
[10:37] <nikolam> e.g. low cpu usage but apps not responsive when any app is using disk too much
[10:39] <nikolam> also, am i crazy or getting partition full to 91% slows things down considerably? :)
[10:39] <nikolam> ext3
[10:42] <Nyad> hello, I am sitting in the ubuntu live CD and want to install ubuntu into an LVM that I created with my existing fedora installation
[10:43] <Nyad> but when I click install the partition setup doesn't see the LVM and it says that it is unused space
[10:44] <Nyad> how do I get xubuntu installer to see the LVM from fedora and allow me to install in the space that I have reserved it for
[10:54] <nikolam> Nyad? is that partition from fedora blank?
[10:54] <nikolam> separate blank partition, not used by fedora?
[10:54] <Nyad> yes
[10:54] <nikolam> I suggest you make backup of your fedora /boot and /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:55] <Nyad> im overwriting MBR with ubuntu grub
[10:55] <Nyad> no need to save it
[10:55] <nikolam> you can later copy/paste things to boot fedora, if fedora is not recognized during install. but i think it will
[10:55] <Nyad> and /boot is in a separate partition
[10:56] <nikolam> That is right, that is why you need to backup all in fedora`s /boot
[10:56] <nikolam> after installing ubuntu you can figure out to get back fedora kernel and menu.lst options etc
[10:56] <Nyad> ok
[10:56] <Nyad> that's done
[10:56] <nikolam> because on previous versions when i was installing on separate /boot it was needed to format that separate /boot
[10:57] <nikolam> Well, if it is saying there is no partition, make it with live cd
[10:57] <nikolam> personally i always use textual alternat einstall etc.
[10:58] <Nyad> I have one LVM made by fedora which is all the remaining space, i have reserved 20 GB in a LVM partition for ubuntu, I have no more space
[10:58] <Nyad> that space is sitting inside my LVM
[10:58] <Nyad> and ubuntu can't see it
[10:59] <Nyad> it tells me the partition /dev/sda3 is unknown
[10:59] <Nyad> for the filesystem
[10:59] <Nyad> i mean for
[10:59] <Nyad> the amount of space used
[11:00] <nikolam> I personally dont use lvm but regular partitions in raid
[11:00] <nikolam> if space is unused like it is saying, make new partition right?
[11:01] <nikolam> i think sda3 is physical partition
[11:01] <nikolam> matbe lvm paririon have other designations or something?
[11:01] <Nyad> it is, yet its the LVM which has a gentoo/fedora and ubuntu and home logical partition inside it
[11:02] <Nyad> /dev/sda3             318       19452   153701887+  8e  Linux LVM
[11:02] <Nyad> thats what fdisk calls it
[11:05] <nikolam> so, GUI install of xubuntu doesn`t see it, but fdisk can see it? hmm
[11:05] <nikolam> What xubuntu version is that? 8.04 or 8.10?
[11:07] <Nyad> 8.10
[11:08] <Nyad> unless from withing the liveCD i have a way of invoking the textual install
[11:09] <Nyad> that may help me more since it should have more options
[11:11] <nikolam> yes, i always use alternate cd and textual menu install
[11:11] <Nyad> ya but the liveCD should permit me to do the same somehow?
[11:12] <nikolam> yes, mostly the same.
[11:12] <nikolam> do df -h to see what partitions are mounted on live now..
[11:12] <nikolam> pastebin.ubuntu.org
[11:13] <Nyad> k
[11:14] <Nyad> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/119633/
[11:35] <Nyad> I installed lvm2 and now the installer picks up my LVMs
[11:35] <Nyad> so all is well
[11:35] <Nyad> ty for the help
[11:41] <nikolam> oh, nice :)
[11:41] <nikolam> I learned something today, also :)
[11:42] <homebrewcider> hey there, I'm running Xubuntu, I have a Canon MP610 printer/scanner, printer working okay, scanner not being recognized, sane is installed, don't know what to do next
[11:44] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: check on the sane's page if it's supported
[11:44] <homebrewcider> had it working before
[11:44]  * TheSheep has a deja vu
[11:44] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: might be supported by a third party plugin to sane
[11:44] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: then we at least know where to look
[15:22] <alienkid> Hi guys my bro's computer froze and magic sysrq didn't work so we held the button and hoped, the computer started fine but now we're at a light bulee screen with a waiting cursor
[15:22] <alienkid> *bule
[15:22] <alienkid> *blue
[15:23] <alienkid>  GDM is trying to start I think
[15:29] <alienkid> We can't get to a prompt using alt+F1(or an combination of)
[15:29] <alienkid> the mouse moves
[15:30] <alienkid> sysrq commands don't work either
[15:31] <alienkid> should we just hard reboot?(seeing as that appears to be our only option)
[15:32] <alienkid> charlie?
[15:32] <genii> try ctrl with the alt-functionkey combo
[15:33] <alienkid> tryed it nothign
[15:33] <alienkid> *nothing
[15:34] <alienkid> basicly it seems mouse works but keyboard doesn't
[15:34] <genii> alienkid: Are the 3 keyboard lights all blinking on and off together?
[15:34] <alienkid> nope
[15:35] <alienkid> BTW we are using microsoft wireless multi media keyboards that have a "F Lock" key(we turned F lock off)
[15:36] <genii> alienkid: Keyboard uses bluetooth ?
[15:37] <alienkid> not that I know of
[15:39] <Myrtti> alienkid: which version do you run?
[15:39] <Myrtti> intrepid, hardy?
[15:39] <alienkid> I bex
[15:39] <alienkid> *Ibex
[15:41] <alienkid> should we hard reboot (asks brother)
[15:41] <Aizawa> Guys, I installed Skype 2.0 (Intrepid amd64), and I can hear who I'm talking to, but I cannot speak. Is this a known, resolvable, issue? I realize it can be many things, but no matter what settings I have it doesn't work.
[15:43] <alienkid> Well the screen still sleeps after 40 mins
[15:44] <alienkid> I think he wants to hard reboot
[15:44] <Myrtti> alienkid: you could try one thing
[15:44] <alienkid> one thing?
[15:45] <Myrtti> rename ~/.config/xfce4-session directory to another name.
[15:45] <alienkid> how, we can't get to it
[15:46] <alienkid> ?
[15:46] <Myrtti> you're on another computer now, right?
[15:46] <alienkid> yes
[15:46] <Myrtti> you can get to the commandline login with alt-f1
[15:46] <Myrtti> login there
[15:46] <alienkid> on what computer?
[15:46] <Myrtti> on the one that's not co-operating
[15:47] <alienkid> can't
[15:47] <Myrtti> oh right
[15:47] <alienkid> (bro says) Go up and read!
[15:47] <alienkid> Hard reboot and hope?
[15:48] <Myrtti> hmmm
[15:48] <Myrtti> you can try, yes.
[15:48] <Myrtti> I have few more questions
[15:48] <alienkid> yes?
[15:48] <Myrtti> do you enabled automated login?
[15:48] <Myrtti> s/do/have/
[15:48] <_Pete_> is ~/.config/xfce4/shortcuts/Theme.xml only place where keyboard shortcuts are defined?
[15:48] <alienkid> yes timed
[15:48] <alienkid> I don't know
[15:49] <alienkid> Pete
[15:49] <_Pete_> well maybe someonedoes
[15:50] <alienkid> Myrtti: anything else?
[15:50] <Myrtti> ok... rebooting isn't going to help then
[15:51] <Myrtti> unless you reboot to recovery more
[15:51] <Myrtti> mode
[15:51] <alienkid> oh well we're rebooting already in normal
[15:52] <alienkid> (brother) How to change how many mounts until it fscks?
[15:53] <charlie-tca> alienkid: did the reboot work?
[15:53] <alienkid> unknown
[15:53] <tempuser> Hello! I downloaded almost 400 MB of xubuntu iso file, but then Firefox 2 freezed. The *.iso.part file is still there. Do I have to start downloading from begining?
[15:53] <alienkid> waiting on Activating swapfile swap
[15:54] <alienkid> GDM started!
[15:54] <alienkid> Logging in
[15:54] <alienkid> Desktop
[15:54] <alienkid> It appears to be working but will stand-by
[15:55] <alienkid> Now he's coming on
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Okay, we are going to delete a couple of files, and he may have to reconfigure some things then
[15:55] <alienkid> hes on now
[15:55] <Foxkeh> Hello! My computer is working now!(You know who's brother.)
[15:55] <Foxkeh> How do you change the mount number 'till forced fsck?
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Foxkeh: we need to check a couple of files, to try and keep that from happening
[15:56] <Foxkeh> Keep what from happening?
[15:56] <alienkid> ok I'll follow along here too
[15:56] <charlie-tca> That bad startup
[15:56] <Foxkeh> Probably won't.
[15:57] <alienkid> "Be prepared" Foxkeh
[15:57] <Foxkeh> So, what files?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Go to Applications -> System -> System Monitor
[15:59] <Foxkeh> One sec, backing up a folder.
[16:00] <Foxkeh> Ok
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Processes tab
[16:01] <Foxkeh> Yup
[16:01] <charlie-tca> go down to xfdesktop and tell me how many there are
[16:02] <Foxkeh> One.
[16:02] <charlie-tca> xfce4-session ?
[16:02] <Foxkeh> One.
[16:03] <charlie-tca> okay, maybe just a one time deal then
[16:04] <Foxkeh> So, how do I change the fsck mount number?
[16:04] <Myrtti> hopefully
[16:04] <Myrtti> Foxkeh: it's about 35 now, right?
[16:04] <alienkid> what should we do about fsck on /lib/init/rw/rootdev?
[16:04] <Foxkeh> I don't know.
[16:04] <Foxkeh> Last time it was forced at 24.
[16:08] <Pres-Gas> Hey, was there an announcement that launchpad was to go down for maintenance?
[16:10] <ablomen> Pres-Gas, its working fine here
[16:10] <alienkid> it has 5 more mounts untill a check
[16:11] <lukinfore> Foxkeh, tune2fs -c ?
[16:11] <Pres-Gas> ablomen, try bugs.launchpad.net
[16:11] <josesito> hello all, I'm having a problem: everytime gnome starts gnome-do and xbindkeys won't work properly (it seems they won't read their config). Starting them from the console however, works quite well. Someone knows who can i fix that?
[16:11] <ablomen> Pres-Gas, works, bit slow but i get there
[16:11] <Pres-Gas> hmmmm
[16:12] <alienkid> lukinfore: do we add the filesysytem path to?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Works here too
[16:12]  * Pres-Gas thinks my tube is clogged to the DNS?
[16:12] <Pres-Gas> Can someone dig launchpad.net and get me an IP?
[16:12] <Pres-Gas> nevermind
[16:13] <Pres-Gas> I sshed into another machine and was able to ping
[16:13] <charlie-tca> 91.189.90.244 for bugs.launchpad.net
[16:13] <charlie-tca> oh!
[16:16] <Foxkeh> I think I got it. Alien found a post on the Ubuntu forums.
[16:16] <charlie-tca> for?
[16:17] <Foxkeh> Fsck mount number.
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:17] <Foxkeh> I change /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk
[16:18] <alienkid> we changed it for root.disk(yes using wubi :( )
[16:20] <alienkid> so hopefully it's fixed for him(we'll see in 5 reboots/mounts)
[16:45] <Sw3RvE> is there a way to disable the error sounds my laptop makes when running Xubuntu?
[17:09] <Sw3RvE> anyone here?
[17:10] <_Pete_> what error sounds you mean?
[17:13] <zoredache> !anyone
[17:20] <Sw3RvE> like for example when i shutdown it beeps.
[17:27] <Sw3RvE> Is there a way to disable system beeping?
[17:28] <Myrtti> can I trade you? :-D I want that beep, it doesn't work for me :-D
[17:32] <genii> blacklist pcspkr
[17:35] <Sw3RvE> lol
[17:35] <zoredache> actually that may be a good idea
[17:35] <Myrtti> it is by default in intrepid
[17:36] <Sw3RvE> im running xubuntu on my laptop if that has anything to do with it.
[17:37] <zoredache> Sw3RvE: to blacklist you would sudo edit the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line 'blacklist pcspkr'
[17:38] <Myrtti> or snd_pcsp ...
[17:38] <Myrtti> I'm not sure
[17:38]  * Myrtti checks
[17:40] <genii> echo "blacklist pcspkr" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[17:40] <Sw3RvE> do i have to get to the root file system like i did last night myrtti ?
[17:41] <Sw3RvE> the one with the warning message at the top of the window
[17:41] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: do as genii told, that does it as well :-)
[17:42] <Sw3RvE> the whole line or just the 2nd half
[17:42] <Myrtti> the whole line
[17:43] <Sw3RvE> blacklist pcspkr
[17:43] <Sw3RvE> sw3rve@sw3rve-laptop:~$
[17:43] <Sw3RvE> does that mean it worked
[17:43] <Sw3RvE> when i hit backspace it makes the beep still
[17:43] <zoredache> reboot and find out?
[17:44] <Sw3RvE> ill try
[17:47] <Sw3RvE> it works now
[17:47] <Sw3RvE> thanks :)
[17:49] <zoredache> you might also want to consider putting "set bell-style visible" in your ~/.bashrc.  Your screen flashes instead of trying to send a beep
[17:51] <Sw3RvE> is the beep that important?
[17:52] <zoredache> that is up to you.  I occasionally find it useful
[17:52] <Sw3RvE> could you give me an example? its mostly annoying for me. lol
[17:53] <zoredache> well for example my irc client flashes whenever someone sends me message.  The flash is enough for me to notice and turn my head and read what was said
[17:54] <Sw3RvE> oh, mine never beeped for that. it only beeped whenever i hit backspace and there was nothing to delete and when i shutdown or restart it would beep.
[17:58] <Sw3RvE> yes man is a hilarious movie
[18:04] <jon_snow> hi
[18:05] <jon_snow> i'm running xubuntu 9.04 pre-release but i can see Sistem Tray Icon for Update...
[18:06] <charlie-tca> jon_snow: you mean you can not see the update icon?
[18:06] <jon_snow> yes :P
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Been gone for a few days now, go to applications -> Settings -> Session and Startup, Application Autostart tab
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Make sure Update Notifier is checked
[18:11] <charlie-tca> I thought maybe it was just something I did to make it disappear.
[19:18] <charlie-tca> jon_snow: Still there? We have to install "update-notifier"; seems it and update manager got removed in some update
[19:38] <danopia> hai
[20:27] <Ben-> hello everyone
[20:27] <Ben-> anyone know what the command is to see your audio hardware?
[20:28] <pleia2> lspci | grep audio
[20:28]  * Ben- tries
[20:28] <pleia2> if it doesn't show up, just `lspci` and see if you can find something that looks like a soundcard
[20:28] <Ben-> well, my sound is not in a pci slot will that matter?
[20:29] <Ben-> its onboard
[20:29] <pleia2> doesn't matter
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> im new to xfce, how can I edit my menu please?
[21:29] <Myrtti> "with great diffi
[21:29] <Myrtti> **slap**
[21:29] <Myrtti> *cough*
[21:30]  * Myrtti hides
[21:30] <zoredache> difficulty"
[21:30] <gamerchick02> uhm, ActionParsnip, you have to right click and go to "edit menu"
[21:31] <gamerchick02> it will bring up a window, and there you can add stuff... it's not easy. it's much easier to muck with menus under KDE and Gnome
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> gamerchick02: theres a large section covered by --include -- system
[21:31] <gamerchick02> yes
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> gamerchick02: i've come from kde
[21:32] <gamerchick02> ah. i came from gnome
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> gamerchick02: is there a way to edit that bit, i'm just curious of this DE, Ive used fluxbox before too.
[21:33] <gamerchick02> hrm. i haven't found one, really. does anyone know of like a menu.conf for something that you can edit?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> thats exactly what i'm after :)
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> it all runs great, just seems lacking in config
[21:34] <gamerchick02> i understand. i don't see a way to do it that way. there probably is.
[21:34] <gamerchick02> i just haven't found it yet...
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> i'll look around
[21:34]  * charlie-tca thinks there is not
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> i'll let you know if i find anything tasty
[21:35] <gamerchick02> sorry i couldn't help you more, ActionParsnip. i like your handle, by the way.
[21:35] <Raybdbomb> i find it paradoxial
[21:35] <Raybdbomb> everyone know there are no women on the internet
[21:35] <Raybdbomb> oh
[21:36] <Raybdbomb> switch it, repeat
[21:36] <gamerchick02> i'm a woman on the internet!! :-P
[21:36]  * Myrtti coughs
[21:36] <Raybdbomb> so you /claim/
[21:37] <zoredache> how old?  If you are under 18, then you are obviously the fbi
[21:37] <Raybdbomb> or nightline
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> gamerchick02: its a harry hill joke
[21:37]  * Myrtti frowns
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> i found it
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> ok guys here's the deal
[21:37] <gamerchick02> ah. *whoosh* went over my head
[21:37]  * charlie-tca waiting for Myrtti to strike
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> cd /usr/share/applications
[21:38]  * Myrtti tries to be quiet
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> if you edit the desktop files you can change the location in the menu by editing the .desktop files
[21:38] <Myrtti> ActionParsnip: sure - but that affects everywhere
[21:38] <Myrtti> ActionParsnip: including KDE and GNOME, if you have them on your system as well
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> Myrtti: i didnt know kde stored stuff like that
[21:39] <Myrtti> ActionParsnip: it's not KDE, it's crossplatform
[21:40] <Myrtti> ActionParsnip: freedesktop.org etc.
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> Myrtti: i understand that much when you said "affects everywhere"
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> Myrtti: just didnt know thats how it was done
[21:41] <Myrtti> zoredache, Raybdbomb: in the words of one of the greatest phisophers of our times, "I find your lack of faith disturbing"
[21:41] <Myrtti> philosophers, even.
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> is there like a system tray for xfce?
[21:41] <Myrtti> !women
[21:42] <Myrtti> ActionParsnip: sure
[21:42] <zoredache> Myrtti: heh :)
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> Myrtti: found it :D
[21:42] <charlie-tca> We are hoping to have a menu editor in Jaunty.
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: by that tyime i'll be on fluxbox most likely
[21:43] <Myrtti> :-D
[21:43] <charlie-tca> Well, have fun there
[21:44] <charlie-tca> What do you like better with fluxbox?
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: menu is massively configurable
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: shortcut keys are massively configurable
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: low ram footprint
[21:47] <knome> charlie-tca, isn't nano *.desktop a good enough menu editor?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: the menu is simply the case of editing a conf file and its done
[21:47] <Myrtti> knome: you must be joking ;-)
[21:47] <charlie-tca> knome: Personnally, I prefer gedit *.desktop
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> i prefer leafpad ;)
[21:48] <charlie-tca> But somebody did mention "easy menu editing" ...
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> yeah
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I grant you the menu edit thing is not so easy here
[21:48] <knome> Myrtti, nope, not really :)
[21:48] <knome> Myrtti, i get everything done what i need :)
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: its not something i use much as i use tilda / yakuake style stuff
[21:49] <knome> charlie-tca, nah, mousepad should be preferred over gedit
[21:49] <charlie-tca> low ram, we got that. Shortcuts, we got that. Menu editing, we don't got that...
[21:49] <knome> charlie-tca, but i agree, gedit is better for many files...
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> !info mousepad
[21:49] <zoredache> is it really even save to be editing things in /usr/share/applications Files stored in there are not conffiles.  When/if the package is updated you will loose your modifications
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> !info leafpad
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> bam leafpad is smaller
[21:50] <charlie-tca> knome, it try not to use mousepad. It just doesn't fit well for me. Besides, I got used to gedit.
[21:50] <knome> mousepad is installed by default
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> knome: i only install xfce4 on kubuntu
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> knome: so no mousepad here
[21:51] <charlie-tca> I know, but that is not my fault. Leafpad and mousepad are almost equal. I like the colors in gedit
[21:51] <knome> ActionParsnip, kubuntu = d'oh ;)
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: its 200kb smaller == 75% size of mousepad
[21:51] <charlie-tca> run kubuntu and then you want smaller!
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> knome: i have a fine system, i just like free ram
[21:52] <charlie-tca> qt is nothing if not memory intensive
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: i use ktorrent and amarok for its xul remote control which I can control with my G1 phone :)
[21:52] <knome> charlie-tca, agree on the gedit colors
[21:53] <charlie-tca> I haven't even got enough ram to get kubuntu to load
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: i just like fast and snappy and dont care for prettys
[21:54] <charlie-tca> I started with gnome, 3+ years ago; crashed kubuntu and never tried it again
[21:54] <knome> i have 4G ram, but it's too little for xubuntu ;<
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: i used mandrake 6 way back when and like kde, its just stuck, then i looked at alternatives
[21:55] <knome> charlie-tca, i have the same history. gnome > kde (2 days) > xfce
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Yeah, OS2 to Ubuntu to Xubuntu
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Well, with a stop to use DOS along the way
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> dos -> win3.1, win95, 98, 2000, mandrake, gentoo, gentoo+mandrake, gentoo+mandrake+kubuntu, gentoo+kubuntu
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will give you more free ram than kubuntu will, ActionParsnip
[21:58] <knome> charlie-tca, i tried openbox for maybe a week
[21:58] <charlie-tca> However, once you get used to something, change is difficult, huh?
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: i have 2Gb but i like slim and slick, ram isnt a problem. I only chat and browse but i want it fast
[21:58] <charlie-tca> I tried win3.1
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: not really Its still ubuntu and i mainly use command line except web browsing with opera
[21:59] <charlie-tca> knome: you don't like openbox?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> I tried several flavors of Linux, this one just worked for me.
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: oh gentoo is still my man, ubuntu is nice if i fancy an easy life
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> charlie-tca: my fileserver and one of my routers runs it nicely
[22:02] <charlie-tca> well, variety is good too
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> right well im off to play some frets on fire
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> peace out guys
[22:05] <knome> charlie-tca, i like it. but i still decided to stay on xfce.
[22:06] <knome> charlie-tca, however, i try not to get used to anything.
[22:06] <knome> charlie-tca, i think i've made a good process in letting things go and trying new things :)
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I see. I guess I'm old now and prefer less change
[22:06] <charlie-tca> That's why I just do the testing!
[22:07] <knome> hehe
[22:07] <charlie-tca> trying new things is too trying
[22:08] <knome> i'll even try to changge my music player even if i was working for amarok until last september
[22:09] <charlie-tca> \o/
[22:09] <knome> (that's also partly because i don't particularly fancy the 2.x series)
[22:27] <R1cochet> was thinking about getting the screenlets package and wondering if the one in the repos is the most current?
[23:00] <mib_ldmner> hey all
[23:00] <Sw3RvE> whats up
[23:00] <mizzy^^> jaunty.. intrepid.. hardy..
[23:00] <mizzy^^> what are these things?
[23:01] <Raybdbomb> delicious morsels
[23:02] <mizzy^^> i'm kind of new to this stuff and apparently those are versions or something
[23:03] <mizzy^^> i don't know if i'm supposed to use intrepid or jaunty or dapper or what?
[23:03] <Myrtti> mizzy^^: depends on what you want
[23:04] <mizzy^^> :P
[23:04] <zoredache> intrepid is the current stable version
[23:04] <Myrtti> hardy is the current long term support version
[23:04] <mizzy^^> are there definitions of these somewhere?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[23:04] <zoredache> you might want hardy, if you plan on installing something and don't want any functionality changes for several years
[23:05] <mizzy^^> I'm trying to get FreeNX
[23:05] <mizzy^^> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main
[23:05] <mizzy^^> i will go with that one
[23:06] <alienkid> Hi guys I need tutorial or guide on how to make one user of xubuntu look like winXP since some windows users use this computer and can't find the "X" button.(I tired LXP but it wouldn't install
[23:06] <alienkid> )
[23:07] <Myrtti> mizzy^^: are you on intrepid?
[23:08] <mizzy^^> yes i guess so
[23:08] <mizzy^^> 8.10
[23:08] <mizzy^^> never knew it was called intrepid
[23:08] <Myrtti> ok.
[23:08] <Myrtti> just checking
[23:10] <mizzy^^> didn't work anyways
[23:10] <mizzy^^> wow.. another thing didn't work
[23:10] <mizzy^^> does anything work on this?
[23:10] <Myrtti> sure...
[23:10] <Myrtti> just tell us _how_ it didn't work
[23:10] <mizzy^^> :)
[23:10] <mizzy^^> imma try again first
[23:11] <mizzy^^> i am following the instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[23:11] <mizzy^^> i have added it to software sources
[23:12] <mizzy^^> now i select the button to 'reload the info'
[23:12] <mizzy^^> AN ERROR OCCURRED
[23:12] <mizzy^^> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2A8E3034D018A4CE
[23:12] <Sw3RvE> so im guessing i have Intrepid Ibex since i have xubuntu 8.10
[23:13] <R1cochet> yep
[23:13] <Myrtti> "lsb_release -a" tells for sure
[23:13] <mizzy^^> i guess i need to add this key.. but god knows where
[23:13] <Sw3RvE> which is the better version? 8.10 or 8.04
[23:13] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases tells the names to numbers
[23:13] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: depends on preferences
[23:14] <R1cochet> well 8.10 netwok manager will do ppo devices but 8.4 wont :(
[23:14] <Sw3RvE> i see 8.04 has support until 2011
[23:15] <R1cochet> tru i believe all #.4 releases are supported for long time
[23:15] <knome> !lts
[23:15] <knome> !releases
[23:15] <knome> meh..
[23:16] <Sw3RvE> ah
[23:16] <Sw3RvE> isnt there a beta version out already
[23:16] <Sw3RvE> 9.04?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> R1cochet: not all of them are the same. 8.04 is LTS, 9.04 will be normal with 18 month support
[23:17] <charlie-tca> 9.04 is Jaunty; it is in alpha now
[23:17] <Sw3RvE> ah
[23:17] <Myrtti> LTS is released every other year
[23:17] <R1cochet> charlie-tca: thank you
[23:17] <mizzy^^> does a text editor come with xubuntu or what?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> three years, Myrtti
[23:17]  * mizzy^^ blushes
[23:18] <knome> mizzy^^, mousepad
[23:18] <R1cochet> so 9.04 is a full release and out right now?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> isn't it?
[23:18] <Myrtti> charlie-tca: released. it's supported for three years
[23:18] <charlie-tca> no, 9.04 is a development release, in testing right now
[23:18] <mizzy^^> how can I start mousepad? :|
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Thanks Myrtti
[23:18] <Myrtti> I have to search for that png graph...
[23:18] <knome> mizzy^^, alt+f2 > mousepad for example
[23:18] <charlie-tca> I get confused
[23:19] <Sw3RvE> Applications / Accessories / Mousepad
[23:19] <mizzy^^> ok
[23:19] <Sw3RvE> knome that doesnt work for me
[23:19] <Myrtti> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146
[23:19] <Myrtti> ^
[23:19] <knome> Sw3RvE, ?
[23:19] <Sw3RvE> Alt + F2 = Run
[23:19] <knome> Sw3RvE, yes.
[23:19] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: it should work
[23:20] <Sw3RvE> it opens run for me... not mousepad.
[23:20] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: yes
[23:20] <knome> Sw3RvE, yes, the next instruction was "mousepad"
[23:20] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: and you type mousepad on the prompt
[23:20] <Sw3RvE> oooo
[23:20] <Myrtti> and hit enter
[23:20] <Sw3RvE> i learned something new :)
[23:21] <R1cochet> just noticed the ubuntu shop and wondering if there is or are plans for a xubuntu shop?
[23:22] <knome> R1cochet, not at the moment.
[23:22] <Sw3RvE> so i have about 700 mb swap memory but i cant ever tap into it unless i have a lot of crap open. lol
[23:22] <R1cochet> bummer
[23:22] <knome> R1cochet, what kind of xubuntu stuff you need? :P
[23:23] <R1cochet> anything i can wear around and inform peeps that MS is not an option
[23:23] <Sw3RvE> do they mail free xubuntu discs?
[23:23] <Sw3RvE> or is that only for ubuntu
[23:23] <knome> Sw3RvE, nope.
[23:23] <knome> Sw3RvE, it is for ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu.
[23:23] <R1cochet> y dont u dl an .iso
[23:23] <Sw3RvE> wow we got jipped.
[23:23] <Sw3RvE> bc im already using it. i was just wondering.
[23:23] <knome> R1cochet, at some point i can provide you some material for printing shirts, for example.
[23:24] <knome> R1cochet, i'm also thinking of printing xubuntu stickers.
[23:24] <Sw3RvE> are there any 64-bit apps on the 64-bit version?
[23:25] <R1cochet> Sw3RvE: i was on 64 and switched to 32 because i heard theres no performance gain on 64
[23:25] <Sw3RvE> then why switch back to 32-bit if its the same?
[23:26] <charlie-tca> 64-bit can use memory greater than 3.2 MB
[23:26] <charlie-tca> no, 3.2GB
[23:26] <charlie-tca> 32 bit is limited to 3.2GB ram
[23:26] <Sw3RvE> does that include memory swap or actual RAM?
[23:26] <charlie-tca> actual ram
[23:26] <mizzy^^> anyone here used freenx?
[23:26] <mizzy^^> i'm pretty sure i installed it, but i have no idea :S
[23:26] <Sw3RvE> oh then i have 64-bit for nothing lol
[23:27] <R1cochet> knome: that would be cool, lemme know and ill gladly pick up a couple
[23:27] <Sw3RvE> my laptop only has 1.8 GB RAM
[23:27] <knome> R1cochet, sure. i think i'll post something to the mailing lists once i get this done.
[23:27] <charlie-tca> Not for nothing, Sw3RvE. It will still take advantage of 64-bit software.
[23:28] <Sw3RvE> such as?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Depending on what you are doing, it can be faster
[23:28] <R1cochet> ok ill sign up for mailer after i get back from work
[23:28] <Sw3RvE> i have noticed...
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Databases, spreadsheets
[23:28] <Sw3RvE> when i moved a movie to my external hdd
[23:28] <Myrtti> does 32-bit use all the cores of multiple core cpu's?
[23:28] <Sw3RvE> it only took 30 seconds
[23:28] <Sw3RvE> compared to 45+ seconds on windows xp 32-bit
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Myrtti: I don't know
[23:28] <charlie-tca> That too, Sw3RvE
[23:28] <R1cochet> Myrtti: i have a dual core and both get used
[23:29] <Sw3RvE> Myrtti: when i had 32-bit ubuntu it used both cores on this laptop.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Mine is only single core
[23:30] <R1cochet> knome: if u get around to doing shirts i think long sleaves would be a nice addition
[23:31] <Sw3RvE> you know how firefox has that check box that says warn me if i have too many tabs open... how come it NEVER warns me? lol
[23:31] <Sw3RvE> it just crashes... weather im using linux or XP
[23:31] <R1cochet> gtg
[23:31] <knome> R1cochet, i suppose we'll just send designs to spreadshirt.com (or something similar) and let people order their own shirts
[23:31] <knome> R1cochet, -- or what ever stuff.
[23:31] <R1cochet> cool
[23:32]  * charlie-tca (ducking) it just doesn't like you, Sw3RvE 
[23:32] <Sw3RvE> lol
[23:32] <knome> R1cochet, at least that's the plan. most possibly it's after jaunty release at least.
[23:32] <R1cochet> later guys
[23:32] <knome> o/
[23:32] <Sw3RvE> how are you making your font brown or w/e color that is?
[23:32]  * Sw3RvE like this?
[23:32] <Myrtti> /me like this
[23:32]  * Myrtti like this
[23:33] <knome> doesn't look very brown for me.. ;)
[23:33] <Myrtti> it's blue on mine ;-)
[23:33] <Sw3RvE> how come its not color anymore
[23:33] <Sw3RvE> well howd u do that
[23:33] <knome> Sw3RvE, highlight.
[23:33] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: that is an action
[23:33] <Sw3RvE> oh how do you highlight
[23:33] <Myrtti> knome: tsktsk
[23:33] <Sw3RvE> mwahahha
[23:33] <Myrtti> highlight...
[23:33] <Sw3RvE> how?
[23:34] <knome> Myrtti, mörrrr, tuu tiskaamaan tänne :P
[23:34] <Sw3RvE> i changed the color lol
[23:34] <Myrtti> knome: e
[23:34] <knome> Myrtti, ;'<
[23:34] <Sw3RvE> i wish winamp would support linux
[23:34] <Myrtti> try audacious
[23:34] <knome> Sw3RvE, xmms = winamp-pre-3.0 :P
[23:35] <Sw3RvE> i have it on yellowdog on my ps3. i couldnt figure out how to play streaming music tho. (shoutcast)
[23:35] <Myrtti> knome: you should know better... xmms isn't in the repos anymore
[23:35] <knome> Myrtti, :O
[23:35] <Myrtti> knome: audacious is
[23:35] <Myrtti> looks the same and has nicer gui
[23:35] <knome> Myrtti, hmmkay.
[23:35] <Myrtti> !info audacious
[23:35] <Myrtti> !xmms
[23:35] <Sw3RvE> if anyone could walk me through playing shoutcast through it then i might try audacious on here.
[23:35] <mizzy^^> does anyone here use FreeNX?
[23:36] <mizzy^^> anyone? :P
[23:36] <knome> uh? that's illogical "looks the same" / "nicer gui"
[23:37] <Myrtti> knome: looks the same = the skinning capabilities are the same
[23:37] <Sw3RvE> www.shoutcast.com if anyone can make that play on audacious or xmms2 then show me how...
[23:37] <knome> Myrtti, you should've said that in the first place then :P
[23:37] <Myrtti> ie. takes the winamp classic skins
[23:37] <Sw3RvE> i can only get it to play on movie player
[23:37] <Myrtti> nicer gui = it uses GTK2 instead of the ancient GTK1
[23:38] <knome> well that's an improvement :P
[23:38] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: install the extra plugins, I guess
[23:38] <Sw3RvE> question... when i plug my flash drive it. do i have to unmount it before removing it.
[23:39] <Sw3RvE> or an external hdd
[23:39] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: preferably
[23:39] <Sw3RvE> i right clicked it on the desktop and it didnt have the option available so i just closed it and removed it.
[23:39] <charlie-tca> mizzy^^: doesn't look like anyone uses freenx
[23:40] <charlie-tca> at least at the present time.
[23:40] <Sw3RvE> ooh its eject. i clicked that last night and the stupid thing re-mounted. so i didnt think that was it.
[23:41] <Myrtti> Sw3RvE: if you can't unmount it, then you can atleast type "gksudo sync" on the run prompt
[23:41] <Myrtti> before yanking it off
[23:41] <Sw3RvE> its called eject instead of unmount isnt it?
[23:41] <mizzy^^> charlie, oh :(
[23:41] <charlie-tca> yeah
[23:41] <mizzy^^> i'm really not good with this stuff so I don't know what to do.. it doesn't work :(
[23:42] <Sw3RvE> on yellowdog it says unmount thats why i got confused lol
[23:42] <charlie-tca> Might be someone around later that knows
[23:42] <knome> mizzy^^, you might also ask #ubuntu.
[23:42] <knome> mizzy^^, freenx is not xubuntu specific and there's more people available in #ubuntu
[23:43] <mizzy^^> ok
[23:43] <Sw3RvE> yea they have like 1,000 people in there
[23:43] <Sw3RvE> 1406
[23:45] <mizzy^^> I asked but didn't get a response :P
[23:46] <Sw3RvE> ask every few mins
[23:47] <knome> please do not. :P
[23:47] <Sw3RvE> lol
[23:48] <Sw3RvE> where can i get more themes? or user interfaces...
[23:48] <knome> xfce-look.org
[23:48] <knome> gnome-look.org
[23:48] <knome> !themes
[23:49] <Sw3RvE> cool they have a mardi gras theme
[23:54] <Sw3RvE> i cant figure out how to download one
[23:55] <Sw3RvE> on xfce-look.org
[23:56] <Sw3RvE> when i click download it just re-directs me to another page.
[23:58] <Sw3RvE> i downloaded icons. how do i add them now?