| * ScottK-palm signs off to go hit retry. | 00:00 | |
| ScottK-palm | Gotta love single threaded OS. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| JontheEchidna | so how is universe affected by feature freeze? | 00:03 |
| neversfelde | is feature freeze in force now or tomorrow? | 00:05 |
| JontheEchidna | it depends on timezone | 00:05 |
| JontheEchidna | and it's sorta flexible in that regard | 00:06 |
| neversfelde | :) ok it is 19th of February here | 00:06 |
| rgreening | shtylman: ping | 00:09 |
| shtylman | rgreening: here | 00:12 |
| rgreening | shtylman: how goes things | 00:12 |
| shtylman | they goes well :) | 00:13 |
| shtylman | I added auto login capability | 00:13 |
| rgreening | most excellent :P | 00:13 |
| shtylman | and made new partition bars and resize widget | 00:13 |
| rgreening | awesome | 00:13 |
| shtylman | then the oxygen guys gave me a mockup | 00:13 |
| shtylman | and I am trying to change my partition bar to it | 00:13 |
| rgreening | got any screenies? | 00:14 |
| rgreening | je suid curious :P | 00:14 |
| shtylman | http://shtylman.com/stuff/partbar/part_bars7.png | 00:14 |
| rgreening | s/suid/suis | 00:14 |
| shtylman | thats what I had before | 00:14 |
| shtylman | http://www.file-upload.net/view-1465347/partitionbar.png.html | 00:14 |
| shtylman | thats the mockup from the oxygen people | 00:14 |
| shtylman | it won't be too hard to do...and I should have something in about an hour or two | 00:15 |
| rgreening | nice | 00:15 |
| rgreening | you are ad bomb | 00:15 |
| rgreening | s/ad/da | 00:15 |
| rgreening | Im a little dyslexic | 00:15 |
| rgreening | ha | 00:15 |
| shtylman | haha | 00:16 |
| rgreening | shtylman: so how are we for feature parity now with the gtk ubiquity? | 00:17 |
| shtylman | um...our timezone map matches theirs...as far as I can tell | 00:17 |
| shtylman | I did that a few days ago | 00:17 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| shtylman | we have the autologin | 00:18 |
| rgreening | shtylman: can you update this page where appropriate https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo | 00:19 |
| rgreening | And are you looking at or aware of this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyUbiquityUsability | 00:20 |
| rgreening | Not sure if the Gnome guys have made those changes yet... | 00:20 |
| shtylman | and we have the new partition bar display and resize widget | 00:21 |
| rgreening | that's great. I love how this release is coming together. | 00:22 |
| shtylman | yep...im aware of what they have been doing and have been keeping up with them | 00:22 |
| shtylman | the partition bar is one of the last things I think | 00:22 |
| rgreening | coolness | 00:22 |
| rgreening | :P | 00:23 |
| rgreening | wow... 3 hrs to build qt on PPA | 00:27 |
| nixternal | well, I am once again unemployed...so I guess you can expect somewhat of a comeback :) and :( at the same time | 00:27 |
| JontheEchidna | tell me about it | 00:27 |
| JontheEchidna | :( | 00:27 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 00:27 |
| nixternal | hehe | 00:27 |
| rgreening | nixternal: no way | 00:27 |
| nixternal | yes way | 00:27 |
| JontheEchidna | :s, I suppose | 00:27 |
| nixternal | haha, need to get your mouth fixed | 00:28 |
| JontheEchidna | it's hard to smile and frown at the same time | 00:28 |
| rgreening | got any prospects nixternal | 00:28 |
| jjesse | nixternal bummer on being unemployed | 00:28 |
| nixternal | true, so an 's' would be correct | 00:28 |
| DaSkreech | hi nixternal!! | 00:28 |
| rgreening | or going to take a breather... | 00:28 |
| jjesse | that sucks | 00:28 |
| nixternal | rgreening: ya, have a coupld of prospects | 00:28 |
| rgreening | nixternal: excellent. gl | 00:28 |
| nixternal | if i take a breather, it makes it hard going back to work | 00:29 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 00:29 |
| nixternal | though with the economy, prospects don't look the greatest | 00:29 |
| DaSkreech | yeah | 00:29 |
| jjesse | nixternal if you have enough money you cna be a senator from illionis ) | 00:29 |
| jjesse | just bribe everyone | 00:29 |
| rgreening | nixternal: lots of canonical jobs posted | 00:29 |
| nixternal | ya, don't have enough | 00:30 |
| rgreening | maybe something for you? | 00:30 |
| JontheEchidna | Apparently there was an add in the paper for a furniture store: "We sell more seats than the governor" | 00:30 |
| nixternal | lol, ya | 00:30 |
| nixternal | believe it was Harlem Furniture to be exact | 00:30 |
| jjesse | wow lots of canonical jobs | 00:30 |
| nixternal | I will have to look at the Canonical jobs | 00:31 |
| nixternal | need to update my resume/cv | 00:31 |
| JontheEchidna | if nixternal got a canoncial job, how would he love his job more than us? | 00:31 |
| * JontheEchidna boggles | 00:31 | |
| nixternal | just downloaded texmaker so I can do that...thanks to whoever put that in the repos | 00:32 |
| nixternal | I updated my LinkedIn profile, and 5 minutes later, litterally, my old Microsoft job called me :) | 00:32 |
| jjesse | awesome :) | 00:33 |
| DaSkreech | :-D | 00:33 |
| nixternal | good money and benefits, but they do not allow you to work on anything non-microsoft | 00:33 |
| jjesse | even in the open source lab? | 00:33 |
| nixternal | ya, it would be the open/shared source labs | 00:33 |
| dtchen | that policy has changed | 00:33 |
| nixternal | and ya, they don't allow you to work on open source projects | 00:33 |
| nixternal | dtchen: not from what I was told in a phone convo about 2 hours ago | 00:34 |
| nixternal | and why are you hiding with some silly name alias? :p | 00:34 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha | 00:34 |
| dtchen | interesting, i had that option | 00:34 |
| rgreening | you can twork for MS cause youd be sharing our IP with them... | 00:34 |
| dtchen | granted i ended up with ENORESOURES | 00:34 |
| DaSkreech | Would you like towork int he open source labs? | 00:34 |
| rgreening | :P | 00:34 |
| nixternal | really? you are just better than me :p | 00:34 |
| DaSkreech | YES ! THAT WOULD BE AWESOME I'd love to work on some open source proje... | 00:34 |
| DaSkreech | I'm sorry you can't work on open source in the open source labs | 00:34 |
| DaSkreech | Umm | 00:35 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 00:35 |
| DaSkreech | what do you do there? | 00:35 |
| DaSkreech | Generally cut open open source projects witha knife to see the heart beating | 00:35 |
| nixternal | probably some of that .Net crap and probably working with the new Red Hat conspiracy :p | 00:35 |
| DaSkreech | They signed an agreement with no patents | 00:35 |
| DaSkreech | How is that a conspiracy? | 00:35 |
| nixternal | that was a joke :P | 00:36 |
| nixternal | they did that "hey we will certify we work with you if you certify you work with us' | 00:36 |
| nixternal | isn't that what it was all about? | 00:36 |
| DaSkreech | Something like that | 00:36 |
| DaSkreech | Usual we wil work to increase compatabilty without actually saying what will be compatible or what compatible means | 00:37 |
| nixternal | ya, compatability, that was the word that escaped my mind | 00:37 |
| DaSkreech | But it is interesting that MS said they would only agree to work with companies that respected MS patents and Red Hat said wearen't signing that and MS said ok | 00:37 |
| nixternal | right, Red Hat didn't back down and made Microsoft come crawling | 00:38 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: do you blame them with the current economy? people are putting everything into virtual machines, whether Red Hat or MS and they need the income | 00:38 |
| jjesse | both of them do | 00:38 |
| jjesse | so they HAVE to work togehter whether or not they want to | 00:38 |
| * nixternal hates virtual machines | 00:38 | |
| jjesse | all of my clients that i work with use Virtual Machines and they are either Windows or Red Hat servers in thier Datacenters | 00:39 |
| jjesse | not SUSE, not Ubuntu, or anything other form of Linux | 00:39 |
| jjesse | so they have to work together | 00:39 |
| nixternal | we had those funky vmware ones | 00:39 |
| nixternal | ESX or whatever they were called | 00:39 |
| jjesse | ESX | 00:40 |
| nixternal | those weren't bad, but they weren't great | 00:40 |
| nixternal | Xen sucks | 00:40 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: Yeah but RedHat Beat expectations and MS fell under them | 00:40 |
| nixternal | openvz sucks | 00:40 |
| * DaSkreech likes Xen | 00:40 | |
| jjesse | hypervisor is n't that bad | 00:40 |
| nixternal | kvm is good | 00:40 |
| jjesse | from MS | 00:40 |
| jjesse | but not as good as VMware | 00:41 |
| jjesse | vmware with vmotion is blowing away VMWare | 00:41 |
| * neversfelde wonders if krename-3.9.2 is a dev release or stable | 00:42 | |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Did you see the link I gave You? | 00:42 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: which one? | 00:42 |
| nixternal | I have received numerous links lately | 00:42 |
| DaSkreech | outube link about 3 days ago | 00:42 |
| DaSkreech | youtube | 00:42 |
| nixternal | neversfelde: dev release...kde4 release is not stable | 00:42 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: thanks | 00:43 |
| nixternal | krename will be 4.0 I think when it goes stable | 00:43 |
| neversfelde | that makes sense, they should point on this on kde-apps.org | 00:44 |
| nixternal | the last development release is: 3.9.2 | 00:44 |
| nixternal | that is on the krename website | 00:44 |
| ScottK-palm | NCommander: Are we OK to try akonadi again? | 00:44 |
| jjesse-jaunty | wow dog just farted and left the room, wow its gross | 00:45 |
| nixternal | hahahahaha, I hate it when my dogs do that | 00:46 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: ok, can't wait to get a KDE4 version, krename is one of the last three KDE 3 apps here :) | 00:46 |
| NCommander | O_O; | 00:46 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvGfsROHGcM | 00:46 |
| neversfelde | jjesse-jaunty: normal behaviour, why sould they stay :D | 00:47 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: ya, I saw that one...that guy is good, and damn funny | 00:50 |
| nixternal | neversfelde: is kile the other one? | 00:51 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah :) | 00:51 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: kile just got kde4'd today | 00:51 |
| nixternal | kile was my last kde3 app I think...I grabbed texmaker for the time being, and it is pretty nice | 00:51 |
| JontheEchidna | closing like 6 other bugs in the process | 00:51 |
| nixternal | not as featureful as kile though just yet | 00:51 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: no, it is k3b | 00:52 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: yeah, I read about it, is it stable? | 00:52 |
| nixternal | oh ya, forgot about k3b | 00:52 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't know, it hadn't built the last time I checked | 00:53 |
| nixternal | no it isn't | 00:53 |
| nixternal | I just built it, very bad | 00:53 |
| JontheEchidna | nor did I really use it in the first place | 00:53 |
| neversfelde | so there is soundkonverter, but I guess k3b 2.0 can take this job | 00:53 |
| nixternal | it is pretty much just the shell | 00:53 |
| DaSkreech | kmymoney :-( | 00:53 |
| nixternal | kmymoney2 nor gnucash worked with my online banking | 00:54 |
| neversfelde | DaSkreech: I love the idea, but kmymoney never worked for my | 00:54 |
| JontheEchidna | kile has been in queue for the past 5 hours | 00:54 |
| DaSkreech | basKet :( | 00:54 |
| neversfelde | s/my/me | 00:54 |
| neversfelde | ah yes | 00:54 |
| * neversfelde should go to bed :D | 00:54 | |
| neversfelde | to many missing apps^^ | 00:55 |
| nixternal | JontheEchidna: kile is pretty much useless right now...I think Kate has more functionality, unless I missed something | 00:55 |
| nixternal | which I may have when I built trunk | 00:55 |
| neversfelde | oh, basket seems to be in active development? | 00:57 |
| neversfelde | I gave it up, when I switched to KDE4 | 00:57 |
| JontheEchidna | there is a kde4 version in svn iirc | 00:58 |
| neversfelde | last commit on 01/25/09 | 00:58 |
| JontheEchidna | konversation-kde4 commits have been vigorous | 01:03 |
| neversfelde | there are many quassel fans, konvi has to hurry :) | 01:04 |
| JontheEchidna | already it's quite good | 01:05 |
| JontheEchidna | just a few things missing like a blinking taskbar icon, and I can't seem to get logging to work | 01:05 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: do you have a package somewhere? | 01:06 |
| JontheEchidna | nope | 01:06 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening might | 01:06 |
| rgreening | konvi.. yep. needs updating though. | 01:07 |
| jjesse-jaunty | nixternal: have you played at all with the docs for jaunty? | 01:07 |
| rgreening | maybe tomorrow or later tonight | 01:07 |
| nixternal | jjesse-jaunty: not yet...planning on getting into it soon, like within the next day or so now that I have nothing else to look forward to :) | 01:07 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: I think konvi should have no trouble making it back in jaunty+1, don't you agree? | 01:07 |
| jjesse-jaunty | nixternal: i understand, i've not worked as much on it as i have either | 01:07 |
| rgreening | totally | 01:08 |
| neversfelde | I do not think, that it is a good idea to switch default apps often | 01:09 |
| rgreening | not switch.. but it will be back in | 01:11 |
| JontheEchidna | oh cool, tooltips are back | 01:11 |
| * JontheEchidna recompiles | 01:12 | |
| neversfelde | konvi is out of jaunty? | 01:13 |
| neversfelde | nope, there it is :) | 01:13 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe "make it back" wasn't the best wording | 01:13 |
| neversfelde | hehe, maybe I did not understand | 01:14 |
| * neversfelde claims his teachers | 01:14 | |
| neversfelde | long time ago | 01:14 |
| JontheEchidna | whoa, did you guys see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/AlphaBackgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntu_space_jackalope_1a.png ? | 01:23 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: I like it | 01:27 |
| vorian | s/like/love | 01:27 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: a blue Wolpertinger | 01:27 |
| neversfelde | +1 | 01:27 |
| JontheEchidna | it maintains upstream identity by including elements of the Air wallpaper, yet gives it a unique kubuntu twist | 01:27 |
| vorian | it also has a fedora feel to it | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | the only issue I can forsee is that it doesn't look all that good on non-widescreen monitors since the jackalope gets cut off | 01:28 |
| vorian | why does my compositing suck on resume from sleep? | 01:28 |
| vorian | i am very much temped to use compiz | 01:29 |
| neversfelde | vorian: I had the same probs with kwin's effects | 01:30 |
| vorian | neversfelde: what video card? | 01:31 |
| neversfelde | you can turn off checking, if you're machine is able to handle effects | 01:31 |
| vorian | oh, it's able to :) | 01:31 |
| neversfelde | vorian: oh, don't ask me, my eee is not here atm | 01:31 |
| neversfelde | disabling the checking fixed that problem for me | 01:32 |
| vorian | how is that accomplished? | 01:32 |
| * vorian has been staring at ruby all day | 01:32 | |
| neversfelde | vorian: I have to switch to english, one moment please | 01:33 |
| vorian | :) | 01:33 |
| neversfelde | I should use it by default | 01:33 |
| neversfelde | vorian: general >> desktop >> advanced >> Disable functionalitiy check | 01:36 |
| vorian | thanks neversfelde | 01:37 |
| neversfelde | not for that :) | 01:37 |
| DaSkreech | JontheEchidna: What? | 01:41 |
| JontheEchidna | ? | 01:41 |
| DaSkreech | it maintains upstream identity by including elements of the Air wallpaper, yet gives it a unique kubuntu twist | 01:41 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, it has the Air bubbles and the jackalope | 01:42 |
| DaSkreech | What does? | 01:42 |
| JontheEchidna | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/AlphaBackgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntu_space_jackalope_1a.png | 01:43 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: if you need some testing for that wallpaper, call me. Have to sleep now. n8 everyone | 01:45 |
| vorian | sleep tight | 01:46 |
| seele | the jackalope should be facing in, that's weird that it is looking out | 01:49 |
| vorian | a.insert('flying saucer', 'jackalope') | 01:52 |
| ScottK | jackalopes are wide ranging. | 02:09 |
| ScottK | Can we please not have a jackalope? | 02:09 |
| nixternal | hey, at least someone put up a Kubuntu wallpaper :) | 02:14 |
| vorian | yus! | 02:15 |
| nixternal | I would like to see someone make that oxygen usplash a reality | 02:18 |
| nixternal | that thing looks pretty pimp | 02:18 |
| vorian | I would like to use the kubuntu themed kickoff button as a default | 02:19 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: You didn't happen to save that akonadi/sparc build log, did you? | 02:22 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: nope, just viewed it in ark | 03:07 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: The 2nd try just worked, so no problem. | 03:07 |
| ScottK | So we're back in business on sparc. | 03:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Great. | 03:07 |
| * JontheEchidna will enter bugfix mode tomorrow | 03:07 | |
| ScottK | It looks like right now we've got a good potential to get KDE fully built on all archs this cycle. | 03:08 |
| JontheEchidna | \o/ | 03:08 |
| * JontheEchidna out | 03:10 | |
| ScottK | Good night | 03:14 |
| ScottK | Stupid --without-arts | 03:38 |
| ScottK | We should just add it to kde.mk. | 03:39 |
| shtylman | rgreening: ping | 03:42 |
| claydoh | nixternal: re: kmymoney2: have you tried the latest devel code? kmm2 needs to be compiled with ofx support, debian/ubuntu build it without :( | 03:42 |
| shtylman | well damn..didn't even see him leave | 03:42 |
| * claydoh has it in his ppa | 03:42 | |
| maco | is the new KMenu supposed to allow more-than-2-levels-deep menu items? | 03:52 |
| * ScottK looks at seele | 03:52 | |
| maco | i thought it was only supposed to go Applications -> Category -> The Program | 03:52 |
| ScottK | It's certainly not for games | 03:53 |
| maco | Bluefish is showing up in Applications -> Development -> Web Development -> Bluefish, and I didn't think it was supposed to | 03:53 |
| ScottK | I think that's a function of the Bluefish .desktop and not the particular DE. | 03:53 |
| maco | seele is why i asked in here intead of in normal #kubuntu :P | 03:53 |
| maco | that's what i thought, but GNOME's putting it in Applications -> Programming -> Bluefish | 03:54 |
| maco | i just switched to check (which reminds me, can i use this xnest thing to let me compare GNOME v. KDE bug reproducibility?) | 03:54 |
| ScottK | There may be different .desktop for Gnome and KDE too. | 03:54 |
| * ScottK is looking | 03:55 | |
| maco | oh | 03:55 |
| nixternal | 1 fish, 2 fish, red fish, blue fish! | 03:55 |
| maco | well the .desktop as edited by debian/patches/91_.....patch says GNOME;GTK;Development;WebDevelopment; | 03:55 |
| maco | that's the one in /usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop | 03:55 |
| maco | nixternal: hi rich | 03:55 |
| nixternal | howdy maco | 03:55 |
| maco | nixternal: i've got a copy of ubuntu book 3rd ed sititng here. i was loling at you searching "how to fix microsoft windows" and finding linux as the solution | 03:56 |
| maco | (i'm reading the kubuntu chapter) | 03:56 |
| ScottK | What it says is Categories=GTK;GNOME;Application;Development;WebDevelopment; | 03:57 |
| nixternal | read the edubuntu chapter, it is the best :P | 03:57 |
| maco | yeah that | 03:57 |
| maco | ScottK: well the .patch gets rid of "Application" from that list | 03:58 |
| maco | i think | 03:58 |
| * ScottK didn't look at the patches | 03:58 | |
| * ScottK looks | 03:58 | |
| maco | ScottK: look at 91_ not 01_ | 03:59 |
| maco | 01_ doesn't edit the Categories= | 03:59 |
| maco | nixternal: i'm hoping it'll tell me how to use this thing. and in cases where it tells me wrong, i'm writing it down to complain :P | 03:59 |
| nixternal | ya, the kubuntu chapter was a 4.0 chapter... jjesse-jaunty has a lot of work ahead of him on that one :) | 04:00 |
| maco | wow alliteration | 04:00 |
| ScottK | You are reading the patch correctly. | 04:01 |
| ScottK | maco: If you look in 00list you'll see 01 isn't currently used. | 04:01 |
| maco | oh ok | 04:02 |
| maco | hmm then again | 04:02 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: I'm still here for proof reading | 04:02 |
| maco | >< ok no, /usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop v. bluefish-project.desktop is not the discrepancy. -project.desktop has no Categories= line at all | 04:03 |
| * ScottK really doesn't know much about this .desktop stuff. There's a fdo spec somehere. | 04:05 | |
| ScottK | KDE 3 don't follow the spec and that's accepted. As usualy the fdo spec is mostly a Gnome spec that KDE eventually got stuck with. | 04:05 |
| shtylman | rgreening: new partition bar stuff is up | 04:05 |
| ScottK | Retroactively declaring KDE3 broken is kind of unfair. | 04:06 |
| maco | haha | 04:06 |
| DaSkreech | I thought that KDE supplied the .desktop spec | 04:06 |
| maco | well i do recall seele mentioning the 2-layers-deep thing in one of her write-ups | 04:07 |
| a|wen_ | ScottK: thx for uploading | 04:17 |
| ScottK | a|wen_: You're welcome. | 04:17 |
| ScottK | a|wen_: You're the arts removal dude, right? | 04:17 |
| a|wen_ | ScottK: jup ... i'm just updating my jaunty chroot to check what is missing | 04:18 |
| a|wen_ | ScottK: btw; we need binary package removal of kile-i18n-* ? | 04:18 |
| ScottK | a|wen_: It should just go NBS. You don't need a bug for that. | 04:19 |
| ScottK | a|wen_: See my latest comments on the arts wikipage. I'm fixing. | 04:19 |
| a|wen_ | ScottK: which one are you fixing? (can't find the change) | 04:21 |
| ScottK | cdbs | 04:21 |
| ScottK | Helps if I save it | 04:22 |
| a|wen_ | oh, there it was; cool | 04:22 |
| a|wen_ | ScottK: do we know how koffice2 or k3b is shaping up? | 04:23 |
| a|wen_ | cool, one of the upstream kile developers answering kile bugs in LP :) | 04:27 |
| seele | maco: there is no restriction | 04:28 |
| seele | afaik | 04:28 |
| seele | i dont touch kickoff | 04:28 |
| maco | kickoff? | 04:28 |
| seele | that's what it is called | 04:28 |
| maco | oh | 04:28 |
| maco | did they old kmenu have that restriction? | 04:29 |
| nixternal | no it didn't | 04:29 |
| nixternal | it did the same thing with bluefish and kdevelop | 04:29 |
| maco | oh. ok. | 04:29 |
| nixternal | definitely an annoyance | 04:29 |
| * maco goes to hunt down seele's Start Menu v. KMenu v. GNOME Menu thingy... | 04:30 | |
| a|wen_ | ScottK: the kadu sync request is ack'ed, so k3b and koffice is the only thing left with arts from what i know | 04:31 |
| maco | found. " The KMenu only consists of one menu which is at | 04:32 |
| maco | most two levels deep, where the Applications menu contains three meta menus which are at most | 04:32 |
| maco | two levels deep. | 04:32 |
| maco | >< pasting from PDFs = aaahh! | 04:32 |
| maco | that was from www.obso1337.org/hci/papers/Study_of_Desktop_Start_Menu_System_Usability.pdf | 04:32 |
| maco | seele: see? i do read what you write | 04:33 |
| ScottK | OK, so CDBS uploaded. We'll see shortly if I broke Gnome and KDE. | 04:50 |
| seele | maco: that's from 3+ years ago isnt it? | 05:01 |
| maco | oh wow | 05:02 |
| maco | didnt you post it on your blog more recently? | 05:02 |
| maco | like, recently enough that it was after i met you? | 05:02 |
| seele | maco: i dunno.. maybe someone else referenced it? | 05:03 |
| seele | my work with the start menu was a long time ago.. like 2005-2006 | 05:03 |
| maco | yeah it says august 2006 | 05:04 |
| rgreening | Collosol failure on the qt4 build Riddell. I buggered something up. Gotta redo it. | 05:59 |
| maco | of the people using jaunty (as in, not ScottK), have any of you seen cases where kbd focus gets "stuck" in one text box for about a minute, the kwin rushes through all 4 desktops over and over for about a minute (flashing by very fast), then that stops and everything goes back to normal? | 06:46 |
| maco | also, when the kbd focus *does* come back, it spits the number 1 out over and over and over until i press the Any Key | 07:00 |
| NCommander | ScottK, kdebindings built successfully on HPPA. Patch committed to Bazaar. ENEEDSPONSORING | 07:21 |
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| * Riddell starts on qt 4.5 | 11:30 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: There is something odd going on in doc path generation that I haven't been able to figure out. If you look at the konq-plugins FTBFS on i386 there is a KDE4 example. If you try to rebuild koffice you can have a KDE3 example. Would you please have a look? | 11:36 |
| * Riddell looks | 11:49 | |
| Riddell | ScottK: konq-plugins bulids here, but I've no idea why it should put its docs in usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/doc/ instead of usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konq-plugins | 12:05 |
| NCommander | ScottK, or Riddell ping? | 12:43 |
| Riddell | NCommander: pong | 12:46 |
| NCommander | Riddell, care to sponsor kdebindings from Bazaar, it fixes HPPA. | 12:46 |
| Riddell | NCommander: care to convince https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano/2.1.64+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/874157 and https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/874164 to build? | 12:48 |
| * NCommander takes a look at the queues | 12:48 | |
| NCommander | Eh, we're past FF at this point | 12:48 |
| NCommander | Guess it doesn't matter if the buildds haven't drained | 12:48 |
| JontheEchidna | KTorrent seems to be in pretty good shape going in to FF, only 8 bugs now. :] | 12:50 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: so long as its not declaired illegal in Sweden | 12:51 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh! kdebindings! | 12:51 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: bug 330079 | 12:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 330079 in kdebindings "[jaunty] libsmokeqt4-2-dev conflicts with libsmokeqt-dev but doesn't have proper dependencies" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330079 | 12:51 |
| JontheEchidna | If we're uploading a new kdebindings we might as well get that fixed | 12:51 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: done | 12:54 |
| * JontheEchidna now goes to fix all the bugs he'd been meaning to fix after FF | 12:55 | |
| NCommander | Riddell, rescored | 12:56 |
| NCommander | Riddell, can you sponsor a quick fix for me? | 13:00 |
| Riddell | NCommander: I could | 13:02 |
| Riddell | kdebindings uploaded | 13:02 |
| NCommander | Thanks | 13:02 |
| * NCommander is just waiting for the test build on ARMel to finish | 13:02 | |
| NCommander | Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/120114/ | 13:03 |
| NCommander | damn it | 13:09 |
| NCommander | -_-; | 13:09 |
| Riddell | NCommander: uploaded | 13:11 |
| NCommander | Riddell, thank you | 13:11 |
| NCommander | ScottK, ping | 13:11 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Pong | 13:11 |
| NCommander | ScottK, kdebindings didn't get dispatched to HPPA. Is there a p-a-s line still for it? | 13:11 |
| ScottK | NCommander: No. | 13:12 |
| ScottK | NCommander: You can see the last upload got tried there. | 13:12 |
| NCommander | now I'm just WTFing ... | 13:13 |
| NCommander | Unless someone added one between now and then | 13:13 |
| ScottK | NCommander: I looked at pas yesterday or the day before and there wasn't. | 13:14 |
| NCommander | Ok | 13:14 |
| NCommander | build admins pinged | 13:14 |
| NCommander | Riddell, uh ... | 13:34 |
| NCommander | Riddell, you did see my patch for libdc1394, right ...? | 13:34 |
| * NCommander sees the no changes rebuild, which wasn't 100% in fixing this >.<; | 13:34 | |
| Riddell | that's the one you asked for to do yesterday, your patch today is uploaded as libdc1394_1.1.0-5ubuntu3 | 13:36 |
| NCommander | oh | 13:36 |
| NCommander | ok | 13:36 |
| NCommander | I'm just loosing my mind | 13:36 |
| NCommander | I'm sorry :-/ | 13:36 |
| * NCommander didn't see it get uploaded | 13:37 | |
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| rgreening | Riddell: ping | 13:49 |
| Riddell | hi rgreening | 13:49 |
| rgreening | so, my qt4 update failed. not sure what chanfge broke it | 13:49 |
| rgreening | and it takes like 3 hours to build each time | 13:49 |
| Riddell | it's a beast isn't it | 13:50 |
| Riddell | rgreening: I've got a compile going here so I'll see what happens | 13:50 |
| rgreening | yes. | 13:50 |
| Riddell | I think your last build failed because you disabled 18_enable_qt3support_qtwebkit_debug_info.diff | 13:50 |
| rgreening | yep. I just re-uploaded | 13:50 |
| rgreening | or will in a sec I mean | 13:50 |
| rgreening | I had like 4 hrs sleep | 13:51 |
| rgreening | lol | 13:51 |
| Riddell | rgreening: you think one of the patches causes the problem with kdm? | 13:51 |
| rgreening | I think so. 0180 or 30 I think | 13:52 |
| Riddell | but if kdm has a fix in trunk, we can just use that | 13:52 |
| rgreening | or 41 | 13:52 |
| rgreening | Riddell: I never had the problem earlier using this same RC1 build, before I did the refresh to fabo's debian build. | 13:53 |
| rgreening | in the refresh, a couple of patches were updated. 41 being the most likely candidate | 13:53 |
| Riddell | 41 should be fine to disable, it's for alpha and we don't do alpha | 13:53 |
| rgreening | Now, I am also using amd64 and other updates on my system. so it could be broken for other reasons. | 13:54 |
| rgreening | Riddell: maybe we could get someone else to try the ~ppa8 build (on x86) | 13:54 |
| rgreening | or try it via a live cd | 13:54 |
| shtylman | Riddell: ubiquity change are in | 13:56 |
| shtylman | dunno what you can merge now, but things are committed | 13:57 |
| rgreening | Riddell: I have my old laptop. Its x86. trying from there to see if there's a difference on ~ppa8 | 14:02 |
| JontheEchidna | Could a core-dev approve the Intrepid nominations for bug 314016, bug 303505, and bug 330446? | 14:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 314016 in kde4libs "Kate is useless for editing code which contains hebrew or arabic" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314016 | 14:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 303505 in kdesdk "Apply in Preferences dialog in Kompare crash" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303505 | 14:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 330446 in kde4libs "Memory leak in kcatalog.cpp" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330446 | 14:03 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell, ScottK: ^^ | 14:03 |
| ScottK | Sure. | 14:04 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I approved the kompare one. I'm not sure the other two are SRU worthy. I'd like Riddell to look at them. | 14:07 |
| Riddell | rgreening: KDM works fine with ~ppa8 | 14:08 |
| rgreening | Then it's an 64 bit issue or some of my updates? | 14:08 |
| rgreening | or maybe my vid card | 14:09 |
| rgreening | hmm... | 14:09 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Thanks | 14:09 |
| rgreening | Riddell: ok, if ~ppa8 works, then I just need to update the lonnnnnnnnng changelog | 14:10 |
| rgreening | and sned a diff | 14:10 |
| rgreening | Riddell: I think 07 may be an issue. | 14:12 |
| rgreening | does this matter: uname -m returns x86_64 but dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH returns amd64 | 14:13 |
| rgreening | Riddell: nm. the patch is ok | 14:13 |
| Riddell | rgreening: well the point of the patch is to sort that out | 14:13 |
| rgreening | ya. | 14:14 |
| JontheEchidna | kde svn 924880 | 14:17 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=924880&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 924880 | BUG: 176797 Fix infinite recursion. Winterz dont do this again please :D | 14:17 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: accepted | 14:17 |
| * JontheEchidna is testbuilding the kde4libs fixes in his ppa | 14:18 | |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: thanks | 14:18 |
| rgreening | Riddell: ok, I installed on my x86. works (prior to updates). Will perform some updates and see that it still works after. | 14:20 |
| rgreening | anyone here have amd/x86_64 (64 bit) Jaunty install and willing to test/break your system :) | 14:21 |
| rgreening | I need a gineua pig to test qt 4.5.0 on that arch | 14:22 |
| shtylman | :( | 14:23 |
| shtylman | I can give it a go | 14:24 |
| ScottK | Riddell: ktorrent-data needs to get put into Main so ktorrent will be installable again. | 14:25 |
| Riddell | ScottK: done | 14:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks. | 14:26 |
| JontheEchidna | should the plasma applet go to main too? | 14:26 |
| ScottK | That's the only KDE non-language pack package on the problem list. | 14:27 |
| JontheEchidna | The widget is not a dependency but it might be nice | 14:27 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: How big is it? | 14:27 |
| Riddell | it's in main | 14:28 |
| ScottK | OK. I'll quit asking then. | 14:28 |
| JontheEchidna | It's quite small | 14:28 |
| Riddell | rgreening: I get a lot of refresh errors with qt 4.5 | 14:29 |
| Riddell | I had them with 4.4 too but less so I'm sure | 14:29 |
| rgreening | refresh errors? | 14:29 |
| rgreening | not repainting? | 14:29 |
| Riddell | areas of the screen not being drawn, just filled with junk | 14:29 |
| rgreening | ya... I see that with 4.4 as well. Possibly a X thing (you got a intel vid card?) | 14:30 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/drawing.png | 14:30 |
| Riddell | I do have an intel card | 14:30 |
| Riddell | shtylman: did the oxygen people convince you to change the bars then? | 14:32 |
| shtylman | when is qt 4.5 released? | 14:32 |
| shtylman | Riddell: yea, to better "integrate" http://shtylman.com/stuff/partbar/part_bars8.png | 14:32 |
| Riddell | "soon" | 14:32 |
| Riddell | bling bling | 14:33 |
| Riddell | shtylman: and what about the changes needed to debian-installer for kdm? | 14:34 |
| shtylman | Riddell: I made the change to user-setup in a separate branch on launchpad and proposed a merge into the main one | 14:34 |
| Riddell | shtylman: I take it you use Kate, lots of these added :) -*- coding: utf-8 -*- | 14:35 |
| shtylman | Riddell: yea :) | 14:36 |
| Riddell | shtylman: what are the changes in gui/qt/advanceddialog.ui for? | 14:41 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Also it looks like libnjb fell into Universe is keeping amarok from building. | 14:42 |
| Riddell | ScottK: fixed | 14:43 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks. | 14:44 |
| shtylman | Riddell: oh yea...I change the line edit to a combo box | 14:44 |
| shtylman | to match what the gtk guys have | 14:44 |
| shtylman | that was also on the todo list if I recall | 14:44 |
| Riddell | shtylman: so it is | 14:45 |
| Riddell | shtylman: you made a change to src/cut-and-paste/e-map/e-map-marshal.c ? | 14:45 |
| shtylman | Riddell: nope | 14:45 |
| Riddell | shtylman: and ubiquity/timezone_map.py ? | 14:46 |
| shtylman | I did a fix for the gtk people..but I think they already pulled those | 14:48 |
| shtylman | had to do with city placement code | 14:49 |
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| Riddell | shtylman: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/120155/ | 14:53 |
| Riddell | is what the merge gives me | 14:53 |
| Riddell | should I keep that or throw it out? | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | The Todo is looking nice and non-red | 14:55 |
| shtylman | I would say throw it out...I have told them about it so if they want to change their city placement code they know who to ask | 14:56 |
| rgreening | shtylman: hehe | 14:58 |
| shtylman | also: man...the oxygen people are picky...but the results do end up being good (side note) | 14:59 |
| Riddell | shtylman: that's artists for you :) | 15:00 |
| mrvanes | Am I the only one having problems with Networkmanager/knetworkmanager and wireless connection in jaunty atm? | 15:00 |
| Riddell | shtylman: hmm, it seems to start on the partition page | 15:05 |
| Riddell | mrvanes: works for me | 15:05 |
| shtylman | oh..jesus | 15:05 |
| shtylman | yea...take that out :) | 15:05 |
| mrvanes | Riddell: I can't authenticate, but it works using clean wpa_supplicant and dhclient... | 15:06 |
| shtylman | Riddell: I can take out out, or if you search for TODO remove | 15:06 |
| shtylman | in the kde_ui file | 15:06 |
| mrvanes | I'll see what debug info NM gives... | 15:06 |
| shtylman | and comment out the two lines after it that set the page | 15:06 |
| shtylman | I was using that for testing | 15:06 |
| shtylman | cause clicking through the options got annoying | 15:06 |
| mrvanes | Riddell: NetworkManager: <WARN> wait_for_connection_expired(): Connection (2) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/Connection/0 failed to activate (timeout): (0) Connection was not provided by any settings service | 15:09 |
| mrvanes | Riddell: probably bug #259278 | 15:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 259278 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager will no longer connect" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259278 | 15:14 |
| Riddell | shtylman: hmm, when I click past the keyboard stage it goes to the manual partitioning page, no partition methods page | 15:17 |
| Quintasan | Hi | 15:17 |
| Quintasan | I'm getting an Xapian error while updating the package list using adept | 15:18 |
| shtylman | Riddell: I will take a look at that...see if there are changes to other ubiquity components that I missed | 15:18 |
| Quintasan | http://imagebin.ca/view/nPZT3Vr3.html <-- the error | 15:20 |
| Quintasan | Console output: http://pastebin.ca/1342027 | 15:22 |
| shtylman | Riddell: do you have any unmounted disks? | 15:22 |
| Riddell | shtylman: no | 15:22 |
| shtylman | Riddell: that is why | 15:22 |
| shtylman | there are no disks to install to | 15:22 |
| shtylman | Riddell: im gonna check against the gtk one, but I think that happens everywhere when there are no disks | 15:23 |
| Riddell | right enough, if I put in a usb disk it works | 15:24 |
| shtylman | :) | 15:24 |
| Riddell | shtylman: ok, looking good | 15:27 |
| Riddell | shtylman: I'll merge it in | 15:27 |
| Riddell | shtylman: I think the timezone map label should have the city on it as well as the current time | 15:28 |
| Riddell | and the shiny bars disappear when I select "manaual partitioning" which is offputting, disappearing widgets are confusing | 15:28 |
| shtylman | Riddell: ok..I will put that in (currently more changes for the oxygen people) (need to figure out how to get the General and Small font from kde settings) :) | 15:29 |
| Riddell | and I can't select Edinburgh as a timezone any more! | 15:29 |
| Riddell | of course, that you ever could was a bug, but a bug I liked | 15:29 |
| shtylman | hahaha | 15:29 |
| seaLne | it felt better than having to pick london | 15:30 |
| rgreening | Riddell: I will have a diff/dsc for qt4.5.0 shortly. Updated changelog, etc. However, it still concerns me that it works for x86 but failed on my x86_64. I realy would like someone to look at it with a 64 bit system. could be a localized system issue. | 15:38 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: would you look kindly upon a FFe for this? http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/a-new-blog-and-the-possible-end-to-the-java-dependancy-in-nepomuk-kde/ | 15:40 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: nice | 15:49 |
| mrvanes | Riddel: using nm-applet for the moment. Find it strange that I never experienced problem untill now, since the bug is so old? | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | the virtuoso tarball is a bit large, but this does look promising | 15:50 |
| shtylman | Riddell: my changes to user-setup have been merged in | 15:56 |
| slytherin | what is preferred backend for multimedia apps in kubuntu? gstreamer or xine? | 16:02 |
| rgreening | Riddell: you want me to e-mail the diff/dsc for qt4.5.0? | 16:02 |
| rgreening | or commit to bzr | 16:02 |
| rgreening | nm. I cant commit ... its not part of our repo. I'll email | 16:03 |
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| rgreening | Riddell: Qt 4.5.0 e-mailed to you. | 16:07 |
| jjesse | in the documentation should we be refereing to kpackagekit or Add/Remove Software? for jaunty | 16:08 |
| jjesse | i guess the question what will be showing in the application launcher | 16:08 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: totally | 16:11 |
| Tm_T | rgreening: ooooh! | 16:12 |
| rgreening | Tm_T: :) | 16:12 |
| rgreening | Tm_T: do you have a 64bit system or 32? | 16:12 |
| Tm_T | 32 | 16:12 |
| Tm_T | building Qt from svn | 16:13 |
| rgreening | dang. I need someone woth a 64 to test | 16:13 |
| shtylman | I have 64bit | 16:13 |
| Riddell | rgreening: shtylman offered | 16:13 |
| rgreening | Qt 4.5.0 works fine for Riddell and on my x86. But kills kdm on my 64bit | 16:13 |
| rgreening | oh, missed that. | 16:13 |
| shtylman | thats good to know :) | 16:13 |
| rgreening | shtylman: lol. So, you able to update via my PPA? | 16:14 |
| rgreening | ~roderick-greening | 16:14 |
| rgreening | shtylman: and you have installed a 64 bit system (i.e. amd64 packages)... | 16:15 |
| shtylman | I am running jaunty amd64 yea... | 16:15 |
| Riddell | rgreening: hmm, arora fails to start sometimes with 4.5 "SingleApplication: Unable to start single server. | 16:15 |
| Riddell | " | 16:15 |
| rgreening | Riddell: yeah, I had that with all builds of 4.5 | 16:16 |
| shtylman | rgreening: should i go ahead and update from you ppa? | 16:16 |
| rgreening | shtylman: yes. I assume you have the old qt packages still in your /var/cache/apt in case you have to rollback (like I did)? | 16:16 |
| JontheEchidna | virtuoso uses autotools. Yippie | 16:17 |
| rgreening | shtylman: if not, you may want to retrieve them :) | 16:17 |
| JontheEchidna | hum, they also distribute a debian directory | 16:17 |
| shtylman | rgreening: k...thanks for the heads up? what all should i retrieve, just libqt? | 16:18 |
| rgreening | see which *qt*4.4.3* packages you have installed. See if they are in the cache. If not, retrieve those so you can rollback. | 16:20 |
| rgreening | shtylman: the issue I had was kdm dies. so, I had to use dpkg -i <lis of packages> to roll back to 4.4.3 | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | What do you do when an upstream includes a debian dir in their packaging? | 16:21 |
| shtylman | rgreening: k | 16:21 |
| rgreening | oh, and if you have the lib qt opengl-dev and lib qt dev packages installed, you may need to remove those to roll back. | 16:21 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: rebuild the .tar.gz with the directory removed | 16:21 |
| rgreening | oh my | 16:21 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: upstream calls it virtuoso-opensource. Would we want to call the package virtuoso-opensource or just virtuoso? | 16:22 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I'd stick with the upstream name | 16:22 |
| rgreening | yet we don't for qt4-x11 :) | 16:23 |
| rgreening | ah, the joy of packaging | 16:23 |
| Riddell | rgreening: not seeing an e-mail from you | 16:23 |
| Riddell | rgreening: upstream kept changing that name | 16:23 |
| rgreening | I sent to jriddell AT ubuntu.com.. let me verify... | 16:24 |
| rgreening | resent. I had a space "ubuntu .com" | 16:25 |
| rgreening | lol | 16:25 |
| rgreening | Tonio_, Riddell: Is k3b a possibility yet? | 16:27 |
| rgreening | Riddell, Tonio_: kpackagekit 0.4 is available and can not build against packagekit 0.3.14. I suggest we consider moving to kpackagekit 0.4 front-end | 16:29 |
| rgreening | s/can not/can now/ | 16:30 |
| rgreening | glatzor informs me that the patch is in to make this possible. | 16:30 |
| shtylman | rgreening: how did you get a list off all the packages to save? apt-cache? | 16:31 |
| rgreening | I had them in my archive already | 16:32 |
| rgreening | Riddell: any suggestions for shtylman^ | 16:32 |
| rgreening | or JontheEchidna^ | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: contrib tomorrow, that's the first on my todo :) | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: right now I'm way to busy at work... | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: but you can expect something for tomorrow :) | 16:35 |
| rgreening | np. | 16:35 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: is that in response to k3b or kpackagekit or both? | 16:35 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: both :) | 16:36 |
| rgreening | ok. cool. | 16:36 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: as said, is there a real benefit with kpackagekit 0.4 ? | 16:36 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: and more than this, are we should not to experience new bugs that we don't have now ? | 16:36 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: you said "can not build against", is that a "can build" ? otherwise, I don't get your pont ;) | 16:37 |
| rgreening | yes, I immediately corrected in line below :) | 16:38 |
| rgreening | s/can not/can now/ | 16:38 |
| rgreening | :P | 16:38 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: ^ | 16:38 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: hum, the kde-apps page is clear : This version does not provide backwards compatibility (ie working with PackageKit < 0.4), update to this version ONLY if your PackageKit and QPackageKit (packagekit-qt) are >= 0.4. | 16:39 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: where is the change mentionned ? | 16:39 |
| glatzor | hello Riddell, why did you merge the large autogen patch of NCommander? What issues do you see compared to running autogen.sh at build time? | 16:39 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: talk to glatzor in #packagekit. | 16:39 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: oki | 16:39 |
| rgreening | nm.. glatzor is here | 16:39 |
| rgreening | glatzor: -> Tonio_ :) | 16:40 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: I'll ping him tomorrow, but if we can build against the current one, then, I'm fine with it :) | 16:40 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: hi ;) | 16:40 |
| rgreening | glatzor: Tonio_ was wondering about the patch to allow 0.4 to build with 0.3.14 backend | 16:40 |
| rgreening | care to elaborate. | 16:40 |
| NCommander | glatzor, rerunning ./autogen.sh at build time means that autotools must be in the chroot. This causes a LOT of headaches when things are backported, or when autotools gets updated. | 16:42 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, the at bindings of packagekit have been quite mature for monthes. so there haven't been many changes between 0.3.14 and 0.4.x. | 16:42 |
| NCommander | glatzor, a buncho of the desktop team packages do this, as did KDE packages before 4.x | 16:43 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: oki | 16:43 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, s/at bindings/qt bindings/ | 16:44 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I suppose this means we have to go on a separate package for libpackagekit-qt right ? | 16:44 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: or can you backport the changes so that I can build kpackagekit ? | 16:45 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, one change was revert some time later and the other one was adding a missing piece of api which is now used in kpackagekit 0.4 | 16:45 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, so the patch only adds 20 lines of code | 16:45 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: the libpackagekit-qt patch ? nice :) | 16:46 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: then there is no need to patch kpackagekit if my ujnderstanding is correct ? | 16:46 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, right | 16:46 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: hum, what would be good is to use your ppa for this... | 16:47 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I can package kpackagekit tomorrow morning,pretty early | 16:47 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, you will get it in some minutes there | 16:47 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: you rock :) | 16:47 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: let's meet tomorrow morning for tests then ;) | 16:48 |
| rgreening | sounds good | 16:48 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, I just wanted to give the opportunity to use a later kpackagekit version. but I cannot give any recommendations on this. | 16:51 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: and I understand that :) I'll perform a complete QA test on it | 16:52 |
| rgreening | shtylman: any luck | 16:52 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I was very affraid about API changes, but those 20 lines of code may not be that dangerous | 16:52 |
| shtylman | rgreening: yea..I just got my cache updated | 16:53 |
| shtylman | and am gonna do an update with your repo now | 16:53 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: It may be prudent to do this, as if gnome/ubuntu decides to upgrade packagekit in the backend, our fronteend woulkd be ready/tested. | 16:54 |
| rgreening | shtylman: cool | 16:54 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: true that | 16:54 |
| glatzor | rgreening, no. I won't upgrade packagekit to 0.4.x | 16:54 |
| rgreening | :) | 16:54 |
| rgreening | stranger things have happened glatzor | 16:54 |
| shtylman | rgreening: installed...now what? | 16:59 |
| rgreening | logout, restart kdm, login (hopefully). | 16:59 |
| rgreening | my kdm kept dumpting me to cmd line | 16:59 |
| shtylman | same here :( | 17:01 |
| shtylman | check your log? | 17:02 |
| shtylman | I get a filed to set tiling error | 17:02 |
| shtylman | tiling seems to be the problem...at least for me | 17:07 |
| shtylman | rgreening: running start x seeming to work | 17:08 |
| shtylman | nvm...that crapped out | 17:08 |
| rgreening | lol | 17:09 |
| rgreening | so its 64 bit related. 32 bit seems to run just fine | 17:09 |
| shtylman | well...jesus dandy | 17:09 |
| rgreening | now, exactly what, I do not know. | 17:09 |
| rgreening | I had ddxSigGiveUp as last line before kdm dies | 17:10 |
| shtylman | ok...I rebooted | 17:10 |
| shtylman | kdm still fails | 17:11 |
| shtylman | but startx worked | 17:11 |
| shtylman | and kded4 is taking 100% cpu | 17:11 |
| rgreening | weird | 17:11 |
| shtylman | ok..killed that | 17:12 |
| shtylman | anyhow...yea..I was able to get graphics stuff | 17:12 |
| shtylman | what graphics card you have? | 17:12 |
| shtylman | great...killing kded4 means I don't get to type anymore apprently... | 17:13 |
| shtylman | and plasma does not play nice at all | 17:14 |
| rgreening | I have an intel gm45 | 17:15 |
| rgreening | pure intel chipset | 17:16 |
| shtylman | I have intel as well | 17:16 |
| rgreening | hmm... which? | 17:16 |
| shtylman | oh..man | 17:16 |
| shtylman | 950 or so maybe | 17:16 |
| rgreening | ok, I know that works, on my x86, thats what I have | 17:16 |
| rgreening | so its 64bit related somehow | 17:17 |
| shtylman | fun | 17:17 |
| shtylman | someone is playing with integers and pointers incorrectly :) | 17:17 |
| rgreening | not so much. Riddell? Suggestions on how to debug this as a possible 64 bit issue? | 17:17 |
| rgreening | shtylman: ya | 17:17 |
| shtylman | my first guess is in the libqt4-opengl-dev package...but I dunno | 17:20 |
| rgreening | shtylman: can you look at kdm.log and Xorg.0.log and .xsession-errors and see if you see any ref to "error setting MTRR (base = 0xd0000000, size = 0x10000000, type = 1) Invalid argument (22)" | 17:21 |
| hunger | Is it possible that phonon-backend-xine from kde > 4.1.4 sneaked into intrepid/backports or updates? | 17:21 |
| shtylman | yep | 17:22 |
| shtylman | in kdm.log | 17:22 |
| shtylman | rgreening: ^ | 17:22 |
| rgreening | did you have that before updating | 17:23 |
| rgreening | I never | 17:23 |
| rgreening | and thats why X fails. now, why does Qt trigger that. | 17:23 |
| rgreening | NCommander: ping | 17:23 |
| shtylman | no..I don't think I did | 17:24 |
| rgreening | and shtylmanit's kdmgreet that appears to die, not sure if the mrtt issue is cause or result or what. | 17:25 |
| shtylman | yea..I noticed that kdmgreet dies too | 17:27 |
| rgreening | shtylman: do you have 4GB RAM o rgreater? | 17:27 |
| shtylman | on a side note...the latest updates cause my kded4 to use an obscene amount of cpu | 17:28 |
| shtylman | rgreening: 2 | 17:28 |
| rgreening | o | 17:28 |
| rgreening | ok | 17:28 |
| rgreening | shtylman: can you run X on the cmdline not startx | 17:29 |
| rgreening | see if at least x launches | 17:29 |
| rgreening | shtylman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/315819 | 17:29 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 315819 in xorg-server "kde4 KDM does not restart X when killed with ctrl+alt+backspace" [Undecided,New] | 17:30 |
| rgreening | seems interesting | 17:30 |
| rgreening | shtylman: so the mtrr may not be a real issue. | 17:31 |
| rgreening | and we are back to kdmgreet crash. | 17:31 |
| rgreening | shtylman: I wonder if you disable compositing effects. would that make a difference? | 17:33 |
| rgreening | or load gdm instead? | 17:33 |
| shtylman | rgreening: trying the X only thing...and I think kdmgreet is the best option for starting to see what it loads | 17:33 |
| shtylman | rgreening: thats an interesting idea... | 17:34 |
| rgreening | k | 17:34 |
| shtylman | rgreening: I can't even just do X right now | 17:35 |
| rgreening | really? | 17:35 |
| rgreening | what does it say | 17:35 |
| shtylman | x fails with 'failed to set tiling' | 17:35 |
| devfil2 | Riddell: ping | 17:36 |
| rgreening | dunno why you have that | 17:36 |
| Riddell | glatzor: he asked me too, it's not very clean but neither is any approach with autoconf | 17:36 |
| Riddell | hi devfil2 | 17:36 |
| rgreening | shtylman: can you try the vesa driver in your xorg.conf? | 17:36 |
| rgreening | and then start X? | 17:37 |
| shtylman | yea..I was gonna suggest that | 17:37 |
| rgreening | :) | 17:37 |
| devfil2 | Riddell: can you please upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/120207/ ? | 17:37 |
| shtylman | damn...how do I kill a running X server | 17:37 |
| JontheEchidna | hunger: kde 4.2 should be entering intrepid-backports soon | 17:39 |
| shtylman | rgreening: vesa fails | 17:41 |
| Riddell | devfil2: uploaded | 17:41 |
| devfil2 | Riddell: thanks :) | 17:41 |
| shtylman | rgreening: or at least nothing shows up | 17:41 |
| shtylman | server seems to start...but it makes a black screen | 17:41 |
| rgreening | X by itself does nothing | 17:41 |
| rgreening | yes, thats good | 17:41 |
| shtylman | ahh ok | 17:41 |
| Riddell | NCommander: could you big up this build https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kde4libs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu2~intrepid1 | 17:41 |
| rgreening | shtylman: so, hmm.... weird. try running startx with vesa | 17:42 |
| shtylman | k | 17:43 |
| shtylman | rgreening: that was good to go | 17:43 |
| shtylman | (man qt 4.5 is fast) | 17:43 |
| shtylman | its visibly faster... | 17:43 |
| rgreening | so intel driver on 64 bit causes kdmgreet to crash (possibly a vblank issue). | 17:44 |
| rgreening | arg. | 17:44 |
| === jjesse-jaunty_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| rgreening | anyone else have 64 bit but non intel vid? | 17:44 |
| rgreening | :) | 17:44 |
| shtylman | vblank...what would kdmgreet be doing to cause that? | 17:44 |
| shtylman | rgreening: and my desktop effects have been off the whole time...so its not that | 17:45 |
| rgreening | dunno. saw it in my syslog. do yo uget a drm/vblank error in your syslog? | 17:45 |
| shtylman | yea..I do | 17:46 |
| shtylman | im running with the i915 driver | 17:46 |
| rgreening | ok, there is a vblank issue with intel driver. | 17:46 |
| shtylman | well dandy | 17:46 |
| rgreening | though, why qt is exposing this now... | 17:46 |
| rgreening | doesn't make sense. | 17:46 |
| rgreening | NCommander: ^^^ | 17:47 |
| shtylman | they probly changed drawing code to make things more optimal | 17:47 |
| rgreening | any iseas, ans you are the big qt hacker | 17:47 |
| rgreening | NCommander: 6 | 17:47 |
| shtylman | and that could expose minor vid card errors | 17:47 |
| rgreening | s/6/^^ | 17:47 |
| rgreening | shtylman: maybe.... | 17:47 |
| rgreening | oh my. | 17:47 |
| rgreening | so vesa is working for you? | 17:48 |
| shtylman | appears so | 17:48 |
| shtylman | but that was with startx | 17:48 |
| shtylman | let me try kdm | 17:48 |
| rgreening | ok, play with it for a bit. try via kdm | 17:48 |
| rgreening | ya | 17:48 |
| shtylman | ooo | 17:48 |
| shtylman | on leaving kde (without kdm) I got | 17:49 |
| shtylman | waiting for X server to shut down error setting MTRR ... etc...invalid argument (22) | 17:49 |
| shtylman | and kdm crashes with vesa | 17:50 |
| rgreening | ok.. see what kdm does | 17:50 |
| shtylman | kdmgreet crashes with the MTRR error | 17:50 |
| rgreening | but startx works... interesting | 17:51 |
| rgreening | do you have nepomuk enabled? | 17:51 |
| shtylman | probly | 17:51 |
| shtylman | should I turn it off? | 17:52 |
| rgreening | try disabling (for a hoot) and try bot startx and kdm | 17:52 |
| shtylman | (I do have it enabled) | 17:52 |
| rgreening | try it off... im curious | 17:52 |
| shtylman | k | 17:52 |
| shtylman | startx worked (and kded4 is no longer 100% cpu..which is nice :) ) | 17:53 |
| rgreening | exit startx | 17:53 |
| shtylman | kdm is still no go | 17:53 |
| rgreening | did startx exit clean | 17:53 |
| rgreening | ok, try reboot with vesa, nepomuk disabled, and composite effects off. | 17:54 |
| shtylman | startx seems to exit clean | 17:55 |
| rgreening | ok. thats promising | 17:55 |
| rgreening | brb | 17:55 |
| shtylman | kdm failed on reboot | 17:56 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I have to go, just a little notice about the deps arround packagekit... | 17:57 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: libpackagekit-qt doesn't depend on the backend... I don't know if that's normal, but in case it is, I have to add to kpackagekit dep on packagekit backend | 17:58 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: We'll have to discuss this tomorrow I guess | 17:58 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, no. the deps are perfect. | 17:59 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, just depend on packagekit | 17:59 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: oki doki | 17:59 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, packagekit depends on the backends | 18:00 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: yeah I've seen that | 18:00 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, circular dependencies would be a pain in upgrade situations | 18:00 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: yeah It's just strange to me that the lib doesn't depend on the backend... | 18:00 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: but you certainly have a good reason for this :) | 18:01 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I'll fix the deps on the kpackagekit package | 18:01 |
| shtylman | rgreening: gdm worked on vesa | 18:02 |
| rgreening | shtylman: it has to be 64bit related... I installed on my x86 with intel 945gme and it runs fine. | 18:02 |
| rgreening | shtylman: I wonder if kde meeds a rebuild? | 18:03 |
| rgreening | Riddell: ^^ | 18:03 |
| shtylman | that would be an easy first step | 18:03 |
| shtylman | maybe just kdm? | 18:03 |
| rgreening | fabo: ping. need some held. did you test your debian qt 4.5.0 with amd64 bit? | 18:03 |
| rgreening | shtylman: maybe... | 18:03 |
| shtylman | what source package has kdm in it? | 18:04 |
| shtylman | rgreening: gdm also works with intel driver | 18:04 |
| rgreening | kdebase-workspace | 18:04 |
| rgreening | shtylman: ok, so you have a working solution for the moment. I'll upload workspace to my PPA and rebuild | 18:05 |
| shtylman | rgreening: ok | 18:05 |
| rgreening | shtylman: do yo uget the mtrr error message? | 18:05 |
| rgreening | with gdm | 18:05 |
| shtylman | not that I can see | 18:06 |
| rgreening | hrmmm | 18:06 |
| shtylman | but I do get the tiling error | 18:06 |
| rgreening | shtylman: maybe you had that before. | 18:07 |
| shtylman | its possible | 18:07 |
| shtylman | the gdm log has no mention of the mtrr error | 18:07 |
| shtylman | nor does xorg | 18:07 |
| rgreening | shtylman: I get the tiling erron on my 945 on x86 which works | 18:08 |
| shtylman | (how long does ppa take to compile?) | 18:08 |
| shtylman | rgreening: ok..so thats not a problem, only mtrr | 18:08 |
| rgreening | dunno. cant remember | 18:08 |
| rgreening | seems to be a symptom for sure | 18:08 |
| shtylman | rgreening: is it like a day? or less? just curious for my own files whether its worth it to use ppa or compile locally | 18:09 |
| === jjesse-jaunty is now known as jjesse | ||
| rgreening | hr maybe? | 18:10 |
| shtylman | oh wow...thats faster than I thought | 18:11 |
| rgreening | uploaded | 18:11 |
| rgreening | qt4.5.0 taks 3 hrs | 18:11 |
| shtylman | damn | 18:11 |
| rgreening | I don't think workspace is that long | 18:11 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: you uploaded qt4.5 packages? :3 | 18:12 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: yes. do you have 64 bit or 32 bit? | 18:12 |
| Quintasan | 64 bit | 18:12 |
| shtylman | oh joy! | 18:12 |
| rgreening | awesome. we need help | 18:12 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: willing to break something | 18:12 |
| Quintasan | Anytime :3 | 18:12 |
| rgreening | ok, qt 4.5.0 in my PPA doesn't seem to like 64 bit (at least with intel vid) | 18:13 |
| Quintasan | just let me backup my home | 18:13 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: do you have intel vid or other? | 18:13 |
| Quintasan | radeon 9550 | 18:13 |
| rgreening | ok, good a diff card to try | 18:13 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: I would recommend installing gdm as it seems to work if kdm fails (which is what we see) | 18:14 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa | 18:14 |
| rgreening | shtylman: can you update via PPA. A new qt built and I disabled some patches... | 18:15 |
| Quintasan | kk, I'll test it asap, just need to eat something @_@ | 18:15 |
| rgreening | kk | 18:16 |
| devfil2 | Riddell: can you please upload also http://paste.ubuntu.com/120220/plain/ ? | 18:16 |
| shtylman | rgreening: watch pactches disabled? | 18:17 |
| shtylman | rgreening: I do update, but see no new at packages | 18:18 |
| rgreening | 0180, 30,40,41,50,70,71,80,81 | 18:18 |
| shtylman | *qt | 18:18 |
| rgreening | shtylman: oh, maybe repor hasnt copied yet... | 18:18 |
| rgreening | build is done... | 18:18 |
| rgreening | oh and 16 was disabled too. | 18:19 |
| rgreening | shtylman: you still have the PPA enabled? | 18:20 |
| shtylman | yea | 18:21 |
| Riddell | devfil2: it builds fine without any modification? | 18:21 |
| jjesse | nixternal: you around or still out looking for a job? | 18:22 |
| nixternal | both :) | 18:22 |
| devfil2 | Riddell: yes, do you want the build log? | 18:22 |
| rgreening | shtylman: try updating again. its available | 18:22 |
| Riddell | devfil2: I'll take your word for it | 18:22 |
| shtylman | new qt package? | 18:22 |
| jjesse | nixternal: working on add-applications should we use kpackagekit or Add and Remove Software? Or software Managemetn in the docs | 18:23 |
| rgreening | shtylman: ~ppa10 | 18:23 |
| shtylman | don't see it | 18:23 |
| nixternal | hrmm, good question.... | 18:23 |
| nixternal | Riddell: is add/remove going to get replaced in jaunty? | 18:23 |
| shtylman | I updated but dist-upgrade doesn't want to update anything | 18:23 |
| devfil2 | Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~d.filoni/+archive/ppa/+build/875760 | 18:23 |
| rgreening | shtylman: or did you install ~ppa10 already? | 18:23 |
| jjesse | i thought add remove would be replaced by kpackagekit? or am i not understanding how things are working | 18:24 |
| nixternal | i thought it would stay but the big adept thingy was going bye bye | 18:24 |
| Riddell | nixternal: probably not, rgreening is working with upstream on it | 18:24 |
| shtylman | rgreening: I have ppa10 already | 18:24 |
| nixternal | Riddell: so it is safe to use add/remove in the documentation then? | 18:24 |
| rgreening | shtylman: ok... | 18:24 |
| rgreening | Riddell: did you upload qt 4.5.0 yet? | 18:24 |
| Riddell | rgreening: not yet | 18:24 |
| shtylman | rgreening: I am off to class, will get on irc there and continue | 18:25 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I am planning on doing some doc work this weekend...we are supposed to bug jam on saturday, but they are calling for 6+ inches of snow | 18:25 |
| rgreening | shtylman: ty | 18:25 |
| jjesse | hrmm so i've removed some references to add/remove so we should revert | 18:25 |
| nixternal | Riddell: if you haven't heard or caught on, I am no longer employed :( so that means you need to make some room for me to get back in if I can :) | 18:25 |
| Riddell | nixternal: erk, that's nasty | 18:26 |
| nixternal | that it is | 18:26 |
| rgreening | Riddell: if I have a FFE think the changes can be made before launch for the add remove. I have a kcm that can be used as Add/Remove in start menu. | 18:26 |
| Riddell | rgreening: how does that work? | 18:30 |
| rgreening | kcmshell4 kpk_addrm_simple will launch my module. we have a desktop link for that in the start menu. | 18:31 |
| rgreening | yes? | 18:31 |
| Riddell | rgreening: but how does it get the list of applications and populate its tree view? that's what you were struggling with before | 18:33 |
| rgreening | Riddell: oh, that's a work in progress with upstream. I was only saying how "it could/would" be. Some of the work is already patched in upstream for app-install-data, packagekit and kpackagekit. I have to get those patches, review and see whats missing and how I need to integrate. | 18:34 |
| Riddell | rgreening: hrm, that means changing to the new version of packagekit presumably | 18:35 |
| Riddell | nixternal, jjesse: probably best not to refer to it in docs yet anyway | 18:36 |
| rgreening | no, the patch would be available/backported to 0.3.14. This is a requirement we discussed with packagekit team and they agreed. | 18:36 |
| Riddell | rgreening: oh, interesting | 18:36 |
| rgreening | :) | 18:36 |
| rgreening | who da man | 18:36 |
| Riddell | rgreening: I compiled qt 4.5 with phonon and now I have <audio> working in arora, but <video> only works with sound not video | 18:37 |
| rgreening | heh | 18:37 |
| rgreening | brb (hopefully). trying qt 4.5.0 ... | 18:40 |
| Riddell | ah hah, arora needs this http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=251 | 18:42 |
| Riddell | ah hah, arora needs this http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=251 | 18:42 |
| shtylman_ | rgreening: anything new? | 18:43 |
| rgreening | nope. tried my updated build... still same issue. kdmgreet fails. startx works. | 18:44 |
| rgreening | brb. going to reboot | 18:44 |
| shtylman_ | Riddell: I will test the installer and run it through a full install tonight, also, the gtk guys did a few more updates and I will take a look at those to see where ours stands in relation | 18:46 |
| Quintasan | thats damn nice, something killed my computer while copying the etc dir form my home >_< | 18:49 |
| rgreening | shtylman: gdm works... but not kdm | 18:53 |
| shtylman_ | rgreening: :/ | 18:53 |
| rgreening | so, a rebuild may or may not correct... will see | 18:53 |
| shtylman_ | have you tried a kdm rebuild? | 18:53 |
| rgreening | its building | 18:53 |
| shtylman_ | gotcha | 18:54 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: What after I upgrade qt? | 18:54 |
| shtylman_ | pray | 18:54 |
| rgreening | have you loged out? did you install gdm just in case? | 18:54 |
| Quintasan | gdm installed, just backing up the rest of files :/ | 18:55 |
| rgreening | kk | 18:55 |
| rgreening | did you set kdm or gdm as default? | 18:55 |
| Quintasan | anyone encoutered the xapian error? | 18:55 |
| Quintasan | let me check | 18:56 |
| rgreening | we want to test kdm if it works with non-ntel video and new Qt 4.5.0 on 64 bit | 18:56 |
| ScottK | Amarok FTBFS if anyone is looking for something useful to work on .... | 18:56 |
| DreadKnight | does the network manager plasmoid works for you guys in jaunty? | 19:00 |
| rgreening | DreadKnight: yus | 19:00 |
| DreadKnight | always crashes my plasma... and i can't use the wireless for quite a while now | 19:00 |
| DreadKnight | i have WPA.. | 19:00 |
| DreadKnight | and seems the bluetooth has the option for audio devices greyed out... wanted to use my bluetooth headset heh | 19:01 |
| rgreening | make sure you remove any old networkmanager settings related to it in ~/.kde and in Kwallet. | 19:01 |
| DreadKnight | thanks, will try that out | 19:01 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: any luck | 19:01 |
| DreadKnight | and i don't want kde-twitter plamoid to ask for pass every time i start the pc... | 19:02 |
| DreadKnight | i guess that's for launching the wallet hmm | 19:02 |
| rgreening | DreadKnight: prob. mine doesn't ask me and I use the wallet. Only wallet asks if you set a password in wallet. | 19:03 |
| DreadKnight | mhm | 19:03 |
| DreadKnight | so i should get rid of the pass for kwallet access | 19:03 |
| rgreening | DreadKnight: I cant recommend to remove security, but if you dont really need it, then sure. The wallet will store and you dont get asked for a password. | 19:04 |
| DreadKnight | yeah | 19:05 |
| DreadKnight | so in jaunty my ./kde4 should be useless | 19:06 |
| DreadKnight | and not sure where settings for network manager are stored in ./kde | 19:06 |
| DreadKnight | found them | 19:09 |
| DreadKnight | share/knetworkmanager | 19:09 |
| DreadKnight | apps* | 19:09 |
| fabo | rgreening: yes. I'm using Qt under amd64 | 19:09 |
| rgreening | fabo: what vid card do you have? | 19:09 |
| fabo | rgreening: nvidia and intel | 19:10 |
| rgreening | fabo: I built using basically your build, with a small few kubuntu differences. Qt 4.5 works on my 32 bit system but not on my 64. Same with shtylman who has a intel 945 (I have GM45) | 19:11 |
| rgreening | basically, kdmgreet crashes | 19:11 |
| shtylman_ | fabo: are you using both cards under 64bit? | 19:12 |
| rgreening | fabo: are you using kde 4.2? and was iyour kde rebuilt on top of qt 4.5? | 19:12 |
| rgreening | fabo: also which xserver and video driver version are you running? we are trying to narrow down where the issue occurs. | 19:13 |
| rgreening | shtylman: other than kdmgreet, other things seem stable... how bout your side? | 19:14 |
| fabo | yes, I'm using each laptop under amd64 | 19:14 |
| fabo | rgreening: yes, kde 4.2 + kdebase-worskpace with the kdm fix | 19:14 |
| rgreening | which kdm fix fabo | 19:15 |
| rgreening | cause that's what I am apparantly missing | 19:15 |
| shtylman_ | rgreening: agreed | 19:15 |
| shtylman_ | rgreening: I have been opening and using other stuff, and it hasn't crashed | 19:15 |
| shtylman_ | plasma drawing on some of the widgets has a few glitches, but otherwise pretty stable | 19:16 |
| fabo | rgreening: r922805_kdm_qt4.5_crash_fix.diff | 19:16 |
| rgreening | I dont have that. do you have a link? | 19:16 |
| shtylman_ | rgreening: out for a bit (desktop still on, so feel free to leave messages for todo or updates and I will check when I get back) | 19:17 |
| fabo | 922805 is kde svn commit | 19:17 |
| rgreening | ok. | 19:17 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna, Riddell: I need this promoted ^^ asap for Qt 4.5.0. | 19:17 |
| rgreening | ty fabo. :) | 19:18 |
| fabo | np | 19:18 |
| fabo | btw, my intel card is an i945 | 19:19 |
| fabo | for nvidia, I'm using nouveau | 19:19 |
| rgreening | ok, at least I know it does work | 19:19 |
| rgreening | I was puling my hair out. | 19:19 |
| Quintasan | Looks like bad luck | 19:20 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: I think we have a fix. Use gdm for now. kdm needs to be patched to work correctly. | 19:21 |
| fabo | or startx | 19:21 |
| Quintasan | I killed my computer for second time today >_< | 19:21 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: thats an hourly venture for me | 19:22 |
| Quintasan | Yeah, but not while copying data, right? | 19:22 |
| Quintasan | The best thing is I lost unimportant data | 19:23 |
| Quintasan | It's dead | 19:31 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Congrats on the qt4-x11 SRU going through. | 19:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Thx. | 19:33 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: if you will get the fixed (hopefully) kdm, let me know | 19:35 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: I will upload in my PPA later, assuming JontheEchidna or Riddell do not already have the Qt 4.5.0 fix for workspace already queued up... | 19:36 |
| JontheEchidna | I can't actually upload anything... Riddell will have to do that | 19:37 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: do you know if the fix was already picked up or not? If not, we need to put this in | 19:37 |
| JontheEchidna | Doesn't look like it: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu | 19:39 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: ok. I'll make the patch and bzr up it | 19:40 |
| rgreening | I forgot to look there.... my brain... my poor brain | 19:40 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: speaking of SRUs, could you take a look at bug 303505 please? It's been approved for upload | 19:42 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/303505/+text) | 19:43 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Not right now. Perhaps tonight. | 19:43 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok. | 19:43 |
| Quintasan | hmm It works faster (or it's my imagination) | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | Qt 4.5? It's supposed to be faster. :) | 19:52 |
| Quintasan | Hah, also menus in lancelot disappeard but I knew it before :P | 19:53 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: just uploaded ned kdebase-workspace to my PPA to build. Should fix the kdm issue. kdebase-workspace_4.2.0-0ubuntu6~ppa2 | 19:56 |
| rgreening | shtylman: ^^ | 19:56 |
| DreadKnight | mrrr network manager applet still now working | 20:00 |
| DreadKnight | crashes plasma | 20:00 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: it disappeared a second ago Oo | 20:00 |
| DreadKnight | and in the network manager i have no actuall "connect" button | 20:01 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: no, I deleted that one. it was the one without the patch | 20:01 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: ok | 20:01 |
| rgreening | the new one is uploaded to be built. | 20:01 |
| rgreening | so, once it builds... it's ~ppa2 extension. | 20:01 |
| Quintasan | hmm, I like ufw-kde ;) | 20:02 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: if it was finished... its a work in progress. | 20:02 |
| rgreening | I still have a lot of backend stuff to implement. | 20:03 |
| rgreening | but ty :) | 20:03 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: I was planning to have it on the DVD for Jaunty, but everything else took over my time. | 20:04 |
| rgreening | but, I'll hopefully get it into Universe at some point and then for Jaunty +1 | 20:04 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: Happens :D I wanted to learn Qt4 but I'm preparing for exams so no Qt for me :< | 20:05 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: I've been teaching myself via KDE api.kde.org and a couple of PyQt books. so far, so good. | 20:06 |
| rgreening | Riddell: do you have a link to the bugfix for kdebindings? or better yet and actual patch? | 20:10 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: is there a numbering convention for our kubuntu patches? or pick the next highest available? | 20:15 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: next highest, avoid resuing numbers | 20:16 |
| rgreening | ok | 20:16 |
| rgreening | twas what I thought | 20:16 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: poke, I've fixed the package :3 | 20:19 |
| Quintasan | (hopefully) | 20:19 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: too bad the icon of ufw-kde is the same as adept update notifier :D | 20:23 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: I know. The app isn't finished. I was teaching myself PyQt while writing it. so I borrowed some bits. Never made an icon (yet) | 20:24 |
| Quintasan | rgreening: It just made me think "WTF? More updates?!" | 20:25 |
| Quintasan | :P | 20:25 |
| rgreening | Riddell: new kdebase-workspace needs to be uploaded from bzr to fix KDM greet crash under Qt 4.5.0. | 20:25 |
| rgreening | Quintasan: Bwhahahahah | 20:26 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 320915 is a beautiful sea of Fix Released | 21:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 320915 in cdbs "Remove aRts from the archive - rebuild all dependencies" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320915 | 21:12 |
| Riddell | so, bottle of champaign later, where are we? | 21:31 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: what package did you fix? | 21:31 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: you need an SRU uploaded? | 21:33 |
| shtylman | rgreening: I am trying to update from your ppa but getting dependency errors | 21:36 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: yes, bug 303505 | 21:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 303505 in kdesdk "Apply in Preferences dialog in Kompare crash" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303505 | 21:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell: koffice FTBFS added to amarok, so fun all around. | 21:54 |
| Riddell | meh, devfil promised it wouldn't | 21:54 |
| ScottK | At a guess he test built on Intrepid. | 21:54 |
| ScottK | Riddell: We need to get rid of it's build-dep on kdelibs-doc so it can go NBS. | 21:55 |
| ScottK | ... while we're at it. | 21:55 |
| ScottK | (note that's the we that means someone other than me) | 21:55 |
| ScottK | FYI, anyone doing Python stuff, the supported Python versions in Jaunty changed from 2.4/2.5 to 2.5/2.6 yesterday. | 21:56 |
| shtylman | rgreening: I get package dependency errors from your ppa | 21:57 |
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| rgreening | shtylman: what ones? | 22:00 |
| rgreening | on workspace? | 22:01 |
| shtylman | rgreening: all of them say they depend on ?=4.5.0 but 4.5.0~+rc1...etc is installed | 22:01 |
| rgreening | if so, ya, I see | 22:01 |
| rgreening | some auto magic... I think I messed up the Qt SHLIBS | 22:01 |
| rgreening | Riddell: ^^ | 22:02 |
| rgreening | some advice... | 22:02 |
| Riddell | umm, dunno, worked for me | 22:02 |
| rgreening | shtylman: I think I was supposed to specify something different in the Qt build. | 22:02 |
| Riddell | rgreening: any changes in what you e-mailed me other than the changelog? | 22:02 |
| shtylman | rgreening: I see | 22:03 |
| rgreening | Riddell: nope. | 22:03 |
| rgreening | Riddell: in the qt build I set SHLIBS var to 4.5.0. I think that will cause a problem. In my ppa I cant install rebuild kdm | 22:03 |
| rgreening | I think I was supposed to set it to 4.5.0~+rc1 | 22:03 |
| rgreening | kdm: Depends: libqt4-dbus (>= 4.5.0) but 4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 22:04 |
| shtylman | yea...same problem here | 22:04 |
| rgreening | SO that would need to be fixed in my Qt build. | 22:04 |
| rgreening | Riddell: thoughts? | 22:05 |
| Riddell | yes I agree | 22:06 |
| seele | rgreening: http://wm161.net/2009/02/19/kpackagekit-040-released/ | 22:06 |
| seele | rgreening: you know about kpackagekit 0.4.0? | 22:06 |
| Riddell | that was a very good bottle of champaign | 22:06 |
| rgreening | seele: yes | 22:06 |
| seele | rgreening: ok good | 22:07 |
| rgreening | seele: Tonio_ said he would look at the build tomorrow. | 22:07 |
| seele | rgreening: ok. don't want to repeat any work | 22:08 |
| rgreening | nope | 22:09 |
| rgreening | Riddell: this line in Qt rules... SHLIBSVERSION := 4.5.0 | 22:09 |
| rgreening | Riddell: I'm lost ... no more champain. less drinky more helpy .. hee hee | 22:12 |
| rgreening | :P | 22:12 |
| Riddell | I end up with package which e.g. Depend on libqtcore4 (= 4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1~ppa9) | 22:12 |
| Riddell | building now with the 4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1, we'll see what comes out | 22:13 |
| rgreening | Riddell: what did you change | 22:13 |
| rgreening | that SHLIBS line | 22:13 |
| Riddell | didn't change anything, it's still SHLIBSVERSION := 4.5.0 | 22:17 |
| Riddell | just changed to the changelog you e-mailed me | 22:17 |
| rgreening | Riddell: hmm... when I build kdebase-workspace against it, it says I need qt 4.5.0 | 22:20 |
| rgreening | do I have to mod the kde build? | 22:20 |
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| NCommander | so kdebindings committed suidice ... | 22:21 |
| NCommander | Nice. | 22:21 |
| Riddell | rgreening: ah, hrm, interesting | 22:24 |
| ScottK | NCommander: How so? | 22:24 |
| NCommander | ScottK, it doesn't like the new python | 22:25 |
| ScottK | Ah. Not suprising. | 22:25 |
| ScottK | At least you can test build that locally. | 22:26 |
| Riddell | I would have thought that python updates would happen along with other toolchain type bits | 22:32 |
| shtylman | rgreening: any luck over there? | 22:34 |
| Riddell | rgreening: I confirm, trying now with SHLIBSVERSION := 4.5.0~+rc1 | 22:37 |
| ScottK | Riddell: One would think. But the last time doko broke half the Python world it was after the last Alpha, so this is progress. | 22:38 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Where does PY_MAJOR_VERSION get set? | 22:38 |
| NCommander | Build system I think | 22:39 |
| ScottK | Found it | 22:39 |
| ScottK | sprintf( python_dll_name, python_dll_name_format, PY_MAJOR_VERSION, PY_MINOR_VERSION ); | 22:39 |
| ScottK | NCommander: So I think it doesn't like what that has to say. | 22:40 |
| NCommander | Oh, thats probably being defined by pthon | 22:41 |
| ScottK | Wanna go bug doko? | 22:41 |
| NCommander | not really. | 22:42 |
| kuaera | I am having problems with the new network manager and was informed to come here. | 22:49 |
| kuaera | Attempting to load the KDE desktop from KDM causes it to freeze after the Internet icon, and I cannot access encrypted wireless networks. | 22:50 |
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| kuaera | I am running Jaunty on an IBM Thinkpad T42, if that helps any. | 22:53 |
| shtylman | if a package is UNRELEASED, can I still upload it to my ppa? | 23:04 |
| shtylman | or do I have to change rename something first? | 23:04 |
| Riddell | shtylman: you have to change it to jaunty or whatever version you want to compile on | 23:06 |
| shtylman | Riddell: is that a changelog change? or a flag I can set when building the source pagacke? | 23:06 |
| shtylman | *package | 23:06 |
| Riddell | changelog | 23:13 |
| shtylman | gotcha | 23:13 |
| Riddell | dpkg-deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (3, ret=-1): cat (data): No space left on device | 23:13 |
| Riddell | jings, qt is a beast | 23:14 |
| Riddell | kuaera: tonio is the network manager man, he's not here | 23:14 |
| Riddell | kuaera: try knetworkmanager as a substitute in the mean time | 23:14 |
| shtylman | if a debuild is building multiple deb files, can I specify only a particular one for it to rebuild? | 23:35 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, debuild builds the entire source package at once and then splits up the installed files to their packages | 23:39 |
| shtylman | thanks...I just really hate rebuilding ubiquity...damn template generation takes forever... :( | 23:40 |
| ghostcube | hmm anyone knows this ppa ? | 23:43 |
| ghostcube | http://ppa.launchpad.net/hortont/ppa/ubuntu | 23:43 |
| ghostcube | oO | 23:44 |
| shtylman | what makes it special? | 23:44 |
| ghostcube | hmm it has libsoup 2.25 and would be cool if anyone knews if the package is fine :) | 23:45 |
| ghostcube | heh | 23:45 |
| ghostcube | if not i must try my own :D | 23:46 |
| kuaera | Riddell: I read that, but I could not respond; thank you | 23:49 |
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