[00:00]  * ScottK-palm signs off to go hit retry.
[00:00] <ScottK-palm> Gotta love single threaded OS.
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> so how is universe affected by feature freeze?
[00:05] <neversfelde> is feature freeze in force now or tomorrow?
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> it depends on timezone
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> and it's sorta flexible in that regard
[00:06] <neversfelde> :) ok it is 19th of February here
[00:09] <rgreening> shtylman: ping
[00:12] <shtylman> rgreening: here
[00:12] <rgreening> shtylman: how goes things
[00:13] <shtylman> they goes well :)
[00:13] <shtylman> I added auto login capability
[00:13] <rgreening> most excellent :P
[00:13] <shtylman> and made new partition bars and resize widget
[00:13] <rgreening> awesome
[00:13] <shtylman> then the oxygen guys gave me a mockup
[00:13] <shtylman> and I am trying to change my partition bar to it
[00:14] <rgreening> got any screenies?
[00:14] <rgreening> je suid curious :P
[00:14] <shtylman> http://shtylman.com/stuff/partbar/part_bars7.png
[00:14] <rgreening> s/suid/suis
[00:14] <shtylman> thats what I had before
[00:14] <shtylman> http://www.file-upload.net/view-1465347/partitionbar.png.html
[00:14] <shtylman> thats the mockup from the oxygen people
[00:15] <shtylman> it won't be too hard to do...and I should have something in about an hour or two
[00:15] <rgreening> nice
[00:15] <rgreening> you are ad bomb
[00:15] <rgreening> s/ad/da
[00:15] <rgreening> Im a little dyslexic
[00:15] <rgreening> ha
[00:16] <shtylman> haha
[00:17] <rgreening> shtylman: so how are we for feature parity now with the gtk ubiquity?
[00:17] <shtylman> um...our timezone map matches theirs...as far as I can tell
[00:17] <shtylman> I did that a few days ago
[00:18] <shtylman> we have the autologin
[00:19] <rgreening> shtylman: can you update this page where appropriate https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo
[00:20] <rgreening> And are you looking at or aware of this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyUbiquityUsability
[00:20] <rgreening> Not sure if the Gnome guys have made those changes yet...
[00:21] <shtylman> and we have the new partition bar display and resize widget
[00:22] <rgreening> that's great. I love how this release is coming together.
[00:22] <shtylman> yep...im aware of what they have been doing and have been keeping up with them
[00:22] <shtylman> the partition bar is one of the last things I think
[00:22] <rgreening> coolness
[00:23] <rgreening> :P
[00:27] <rgreening> wow... 3 hrs to build qt on PPA
[00:27] <nixternal> well, I am once again unemployed...so I guess you can expect somewhat of a comeback :) and :( at the same time
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> tell me about it
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> :(
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> :)
[00:27] <nixternal> hehe
[00:27] <rgreening> nixternal: no way
[00:27] <nixternal> yes way
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> :s, I suppose
[00:28] <nixternal> haha, need to get your mouth fixed
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> it's hard to smile and frown at the same time
[00:28] <rgreening> got any prospects nixternal
[00:28] <jjesse> nixternal bummer on being unemployed
[00:28] <nixternal> true, so an 's' would be correct
[00:28] <DaSkreech> hi nixternal!!
[00:28] <rgreening> or going to take a breather...
[00:28] <jjesse> that sucks
[00:28] <nixternal> rgreening: ya, have a coupld of prospects
[00:28] <rgreening> nixternal: excellent. gl
[00:29] <nixternal> if i take a breather, it makes it hard going back to work
[00:29] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[00:29] <nixternal> though with the economy, prospects don't look the greatest
[00:29] <DaSkreech> yeah
[00:29] <jjesse> nixternal if you have enough money you cna be a senator from illionis )
[00:29] <jjesse> just bribe everyone
[00:29] <rgreening> nixternal: lots of canonical jobs posted
[00:30] <nixternal> ya, don't have enough
[00:30] <rgreening> maybe something for you?
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> Apparently there was an add in the paper for a furniture store: "We sell more seats than the governor"
[00:30] <nixternal> lol, ya
[00:30] <nixternal> believe it was Harlem Furniture to be exact
[00:30] <jjesse> wow lots of canonical jobs
[00:31] <nixternal> I will have to look at the Canonical jobs
[00:31] <nixternal> need to update my resume/cv
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> if nixternal got a canoncial job, how would he love his job more than us?
[00:31]  * JontheEchidna boggles
[00:32] <nixternal> just downloaded texmaker so I can do that...thanks to whoever put that in the repos
[00:32] <nixternal> I updated my LinkedIn profile, and 5 minutes later, litterally, my old Microsoft job called me :)
[00:33] <jjesse> awesome :)
[00:33] <DaSkreech> :-D
[00:33] <nixternal> good money and benefits, but they do not allow you to work on anything non-microsoft
[00:33] <jjesse> even in the open source lab?
[00:33] <nixternal> ya, it would be the open/shared source labs
[00:33] <dtchen> that policy has changed
[00:33] <nixternal> and ya, they don't allow you to work on open source projects
[00:34] <nixternal> dtchen: not from what I was told in a phone convo about 2 hours ago
[00:34] <nixternal> and why are you hiding with some silly name alias? :p
[00:34] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[00:34] <dtchen> interesting, i had that option
[00:34] <rgreening> you can twork for MS cause youd be sharing our IP with them...
[00:34] <dtchen> granted i ended up with ENORESOURES
[00:34] <DaSkreech> Would you like towork int he open source labs?
[00:34] <rgreening> :P
[00:34] <nixternal> really? you are just better than me :p
[00:34] <DaSkreech>  YES ! THAT WOULD BE AWESOME I'd love to work on some open source proje...
[00:34] <DaSkreech> I'm sorry you can't work on open source in the open source labs
[00:35] <DaSkreech> Umm
[00:35] <DaSkreech> ok
[00:35] <DaSkreech> what do you do there?
[00:35] <DaSkreech> Generally cut open open source projects witha knife to see the heart beating
[00:35] <nixternal> probably some of that .Net crap and probably working with the new Red Hat conspiracy :p
[00:35] <DaSkreech> They signed an agreement with no patents
[00:35] <DaSkreech> How is that a conspiracy?
[00:36] <nixternal> that was a joke :P
[00:36] <nixternal> they did that "hey we will certify we work with you if you certify you work with us'
[00:36] <nixternal> isn't that what it was all about?
[00:36] <DaSkreech> Something like that
[00:37] <DaSkreech> Usual we wil work to increase compatabilty without actually saying what will be compatible or what compatible means
[00:37] <nixternal> ya, compatability, that was the word that escaped my mind
[00:37] <DaSkreech> But it is interesting that MS said they would only agree to work with companies that respected MS patents and Red Hat said wearen't signing that and MS said ok
[00:38] <nixternal> right, Red Hat didn't back down and made Microsoft come crawling
[00:38] <jjesse> DaSkreech: do you blame them with the current economy?  people are putting everything into virtual machines, whether Red Hat or MS and they need the income
[00:38] <jjesse> both of them do
[00:38] <jjesse> so they HAVE to work togehter whether or not they want to
[00:38]  * nixternal hates virtual machines
[00:39] <jjesse> all of my clients that i work with use Virtual Machines and they are either Windows or Red Hat servers in thier Datacenters
[00:39] <jjesse> not SUSE, not Ubuntu, or anything other form of Linux
[00:39] <jjesse> so they have to work together
[00:39] <nixternal> we had those funky vmware ones
[00:39] <nixternal> ESX or whatever they were called
[00:40] <jjesse> ESX
[00:40] <nixternal> those weren't bad, but they weren't great
[00:40] <nixternal> Xen sucks
[00:40] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Yeah but RedHat Beat expectations and MS fell under them
[00:40] <nixternal> openvz sucks
[00:40]  * DaSkreech likes Xen
[00:40] <jjesse> hypervisor is n't that bad
[00:40] <nixternal> kvm is good
[00:40] <jjesse> from MS
[00:41] <jjesse> but not as good as VMware
[00:41] <jjesse> vmware with vmotion is blowing away VMWare
[00:42]  * neversfelde wonders if krename-3.9.2 is a dev release or stable
[00:42] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Did you see the link I gave You?
[00:42] <nixternal> DaSkreech: which one?
[00:42] <nixternal> I have received numerous links lately
[00:42] <DaSkreech> outube link about 3 days ago
[00:42] <DaSkreech> youtube
[00:42] <nixternal> neversfelde: dev release...kde4 release is not stable
[00:43] <neversfelde> nixternal: thanks
[00:43] <nixternal> krename will be 4.0 I think when it goes stable
[00:44] <neversfelde> that makes sense, they should point on this on kde-apps.org
[00:44] <nixternal> the last development release is:  3.9.2
[00:44] <nixternal> that is on the krename website
[00:44] <ScottK-palm> NCommander: Are we OK to try akonadi again?
[00:45] <jjesse-jaunty> wow dog just farted and left the room, wow its gross
[00:46] <nixternal> hahahahaha, I hate it when my dogs do that
[00:46] <neversfelde> nixternal: ok, can't wait to get a KDE4 version, krename is one of the last three KDE 3 apps here :)
[00:46] <NCommander> O_O;
[00:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvGfsROHGcM
[00:47] <neversfelde> jjesse-jaunty: normal behaviour, why sould they stay :D
[00:50] <nixternal> DaSkreech: ya, I saw that one...that guy is good, and damn funny
[00:51] <nixternal> neversfelde: is kile the other one?
[00:51] <DaSkreech> Yeah :)
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: kile just got kde4'd today
[00:51] <nixternal> kile was my last kde3 app I think...I grabbed texmaker for the time being, and it is pretty nice
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> closing like 6 other bugs in the process
[00:51] <nixternal> not as featureful as kile though just yet
[00:52] <neversfelde> nixternal: no, it is k3b
[00:52] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: yeah, I read about it, is it stable?
[00:52] <nixternal> oh ya, forgot about k3b
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> I don't know, it hadn't built the last time I checked
[00:53] <nixternal> no it isn't
[00:53] <nixternal> I just built it, very bad
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> nor did I really use it in the first place
[00:53] <neversfelde> so there is soundkonverter, but I guess k3b 2.0 can take this job
[00:53] <nixternal> it is pretty much just the shell
[00:53] <DaSkreech> kmymoney :-(
[00:54] <nixternal> kmymoney2 nor gnucash worked with my online banking
[00:54] <neversfelde> DaSkreech: I love the idea, but kmymoney never worked for my
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> kile has been in queue for the past 5 hours
[00:54] <DaSkreech> basKet :(
[00:54] <neversfelde> s/my/me
[00:54] <neversfelde> ah yes
[00:54]  * neversfelde should go to bed :D
[00:55] <neversfelde> to many missing apps^^
[00:55] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: kile is pretty much useless right now...I think Kate has more functionality, unless I missed something
[00:55] <nixternal> which I may have when I built trunk
[00:57] <neversfelde> oh, basket seems to be in active development?
[00:57] <neversfelde> I gave it up, when I switched to KDE4
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> there is a kde4 version in svn iirc
[00:58] <neversfelde> last commit on 01/25/09
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> konversation-kde4 commits have been vigorous
[01:04] <neversfelde> there are many quassel fans, konvi has to hurry :)
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> already it's quite good
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> just a few things missing like a blinking taskbar icon, and I can't seem to get logging to work
[01:06] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: do you have a package somewhere?
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> nope
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> rgreening might
[01:07] <rgreening> konvi.. yep. needs updating though.
[01:07] <jjesse-jaunty> nixternal: have you played at all with the docs for jaunty?
[01:07] <rgreening> maybe tomorrow or later tonight
[01:07] <nixternal> jjesse-jaunty: not yet...planning on getting into it soon, like within the next day or so now that I have nothing else to look forward to :)
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I think konvi should have no trouble making it back in jaunty+1, don't you agree?
[01:07] <jjesse-jaunty> nixternal: i understand, i've not worked as much on it as i have either
[01:08] <rgreening> totally
[01:09] <neversfelde> I do not think, that it is a good idea to switch default apps often
[01:11] <rgreening> not switch.. but it will be back in
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> oh cool, tooltips are back
[01:12]  * JontheEchidna recompiles
[01:13] <neversfelde> konvi is out of jaunty?
[01:13] <neversfelde> nope, there it is :)
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> maybe "make it back" wasn't the best wording
[01:14] <neversfelde> hehe, maybe I did not understand
[01:14]  * neversfelde claims his teachers
[01:14] <neversfelde> long time ago
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> whoa, did you guys see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/AlphaBackgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntu_space_jackalope_1a.png ?
[01:27] <vorian> JontheEchidna: I like it
[01:27] <vorian> s/like/love
[01:27] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: a blue Wolpertinger
[01:27] <neversfelde> +1
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> it maintains upstream identity by including elements of the Air wallpaper, yet gives it a unique kubuntu twist
[01:28] <vorian> it also has a fedora feel to it
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> the only issue I can forsee is that it doesn't look all that good on non-widescreen monitors since the jackalope gets cut off
[01:28] <vorian> why does my compositing suck on resume from sleep?
[01:29] <vorian> i am very much temped to use compiz
[01:30] <neversfelde> vorian: I had the same probs with kwin's effects
[01:31] <vorian> neversfelde: what video card?
[01:31] <neversfelde> you can turn off checking, if you're machine is able to handle effects
[01:31] <vorian> oh, it's able to :)
[01:31] <neversfelde> vorian: oh, don't ask me, my eee is not here atm
[01:32] <neversfelde> disabling the checking fixed that problem for me
[01:32] <vorian> how is that accomplished?
[01:32]  * vorian has been staring at ruby all day
[01:33] <neversfelde> vorian: I have to switch to english, one moment please
[01:33] <vorian> :)
[01:33] <neversfelde> I should use it by default
[01:36] <neversfelde> vorian: general >> desktop >> advanced >> Disable functionalitiy check
[01:37] <vorian> thanks neversfelde
[01:37] <neversfelde> not for that :)
[01:41] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: What?
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> ?
[01:41] <DaSkreech> it maintains upstream identity by including elements of the Air wallpaper, yet gives it a unique kubuntu twist
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it has the Air bubbles and the jackalope
[01:42] <DaSkreech> What does?
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/AlphaBackgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntu_space_jackalope_1a.png
[01:45] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: if you need some testing for that wallpaper, call me. Have to sleep now. n8 everyone
[01:46] <vorian> sleep tight
[01:49] <seele> the jackalope should be facing in, that's weird that it is looking out
[01:52] <vorian> a.insert('flying saucer', 'jackalope')
[02:09] <ScottK> jackalopes are wide ranging.
[02:09] <ScottK> Can we please not have a jackalope?
[02:14] <nixternal> hey, at least someone put up a Kubuntu wallpaper :)
[02:15] <vorian> yus!
[02:18] <nixternal> I would like to see someone make that oxygen usplash a reality
[02:18] <nixternal> that thing looks pretty pimp
[02:19] <vorian> I would like to use the kubuntu themed kickoff button as a default
[02:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You didn't happen to save that akonadi/sparc build log, did you?
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: nope, just viewed it in ark
[03:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The 2nd try just worked, so no problem.
[03:07] <ScottK> So we're back in business on sparc.
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> Great.
[03:07]  * JontheEchidna will enter bugfix mode tomorrow
[03:08] <ScottK> It looks like right now we've got a good potential to get KDE fully built on all archs this cycle.
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[03:10]  * JontheEchidna out
[03:14] <ScottK> Good night
[03:38] <ScottK> Stupid --without-arts
[03:39] <ScottK> We should just add it to kde.mk.
[03:42] <shtylman> rgreening: ping
[03:42] <claydoh> nixternal: re: kmymoney2: have you tried the latest devel code? kmm2 needs to be compiled with ofx support, debian/ubuntu build it without :(
[03:42] <shtylman> well damn..didn't even see him leave
[03:42]  * claydoh has it in  his ppa
[03:52] <maco> is the new KMenu supposed to allow more-than-2-levels-deep menu items?
[03:52]  * ScottK looks at seele
[03:52] <maco> i thought it was only supposed to go Applications -> Category -> The Program
[03:53] <ScottK> It's certainly not for games
[03:53] <maco> Bluefish is showing up in Applications -> Development -> Web Development -> Bluefish, and I didn't think it was supposed to
[03:53] <ScottK> I think that's a function of the Bluefish .desktop and not the particular DE.
[03:53] <maco> seele is why i asked in here intead of in normal #kubuntu :P
[03:54] <maco> that's what i thought, but GNOME's putting it in Applications -> Programming -> Bluefish
[03:54] <maco> i just switched to check (which reminds me, can i use this xnest thing to let me compare GNOME v. KDE bug reproducibility?)
[03:54] <ScottK> There may be different .desktop for Gnome and KDE too.
[03:55]  * ScottK is looking
[03:55] <maco> oh
[03:55] <nixternal> 1 fish, 2 fish, red fish, blue fish!
[03:55] <maco> well the .desktop as edited by debian/patches/91_.....patch says GNOME;GTK;Development;WebDevelopment;
[03:55] <maco> that's the one in /usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop
[03:55] <maco> nixternal: hi rich
[03:55] <nixternal> howdy maco
[03:56] <maco> nixternal: i've got a copy of ubuntu book 3rd ed sititng here. i was loling at you searching "how to fix microsoft windows" and finding linux as the solution
[03:56] <maco> (i'm reading the kubuntu chapter)
[03:57] <ScottK> What it says is Categories=GTK;GNOME;Application;Development;WebDevelopment;
[03:57] <nixternal> read the edubuntu chapter, it is the best :P
[03:57] <maco> yeah that
[03:58] <maco> ScottK: well the .patch gets rid of "Application" from that list
[03:58] <maco> i think
[03:58]  * ScottK didn't look at the patches
[03:58]  * ScottK looks
[03:59] <maco> ScottK: look at 91_ not 01_
[03:59] <maco> 01_ doesn't edit the Categories=
[03:59] <maco> nixternal: i'm hoping it'll tell me how to use this thing. and in cases where it tells me wrong, i'm writing it down to complain :P
[04:00] <nixternal> ya, the kubuntu chapter was a 4.0 chapter... jjesse-jaunty has a lot of work ahead of him on that one :)
[04:00] <maco> wow alliteration
[04:01] <ScottK> You are reading the patch correctly.
[04:01] <ScottK> maco: If you look in 00list you'll see 01 isn't currently used.
[04:02] <maco> oh ok
[04:02] <maco> hmm then again
[04:02] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I'm still here for proof reading
[04:03] <maco> >< ok no, /usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop v. bluefish-project.desktop is not the discrepancy. -project.desktop has no Categories= line at all
[04:05]  * ScottK really doesn't know much about this .desktop stuff.  There's a fdo spec somehere.
[04:05] <ScottK> KDE 3 don't follow the spec and that's accepted.  As usualy the fdo spec is mostly a Gnome spec that KDE eventually got stuck with.
[04:05] <shtylman> rgreening: new partition bar stuff is up
[04:06] <ScottK> Retroactively declaring KDE3 broken is kind of unfair.
[04:06] <maco> haha
[04:06] <DaSkreech> I thought that KDE supplied the .desktop spec
[04:07] <maco> well i do recall seele mentioning the 2-layers-deep thing in one of her write-ups
[04:17] <a|wen_> ScottK: thx for uploading
[04:17] <ScottK> a|wen_: You're welcome.
[04:17] <ScottK> a|wen_: You're the arts removal dude, right?
[04:18] <a|wen_> ScottK: jup ... i'm just updating my jaunty chroot to check what is missing
[04:18] <a|wen_> ScottK: btw; we need binary package removal of kile-i18n-* ?
[04:19] <ScottK> a|wen_: It should just go NBS.  You don't need a bug for that.
[04:19] <ScottK> a|wen_: See my latest comments on the arts wikipage.  I'm fixing.
[04:21] <a|wen_> ScottK: which one are you fixing? (can't find the change)
[04:21] <ScottK> cdbs
[04:22] <ScottK> Helps if I save it
[04:22] <a|wen_> oh, there it was; cool
[04:23] <a|wen_> ScottK: do we know how koffice2 or k3b is shaping up?
[04:27] <a|wen_> cool, one of the upstream kile developers answering kile bugs in LP :)
[04:28] <seele> maco: there is no restriction
[04:28] <seele> afaik
[04:28] <seele> i dont touch kickoff
[04:28] <maco> kickoff?
[04:28] <seele> that's what it is called
[04:28] <maco> oh
[04:29] <maco> did they old kmenu have that restriction?
[04:29] <nixternal> no it didn't
[04:29] <nixternal> it did the same thing with bluefish and kdevelop
[04:29] <maco> oh. ok.
[04:29] <nixternal> definitely an annoyance
[04:30]  * maco goes to hunt down seele's Start Menu v. KMenu v. GNOME Menu thingy...
[04:31] <a|wen_> ScottK: the kadu sync request is ack'ed, so k3b and koffice is the only thing left with arts from what i know
[04:32] <maco> found. "                                          The KMenu only consists of one menu which is at
[04:32] <maco> most two levels deep, where the Applications menu contains three meta menus which are at most
[04:32] <maco> two levels deep.
[04:32] <maco> >< pasting from PDFs = aaahh!
[04:32] <maco> that was from www.obso1337.org/hci/papers/Study_of_Desktop_Start_Menu_System_Usability.pdf
[04:33] <maco> seele: see? i do read what you write
[04:50] <ScottK> OK, so CDBS uploaded.  We'll see shortly if I broke Gnome and KDE.
[05:01] <seele> maco: that's from 3+ years ago isnt it?
[05:02] <maco> oh wow
[05:02] <maco> didnt you post it on your blog more recently?
[05:02] <maco> like, recently enough that it was after i met you?
[05:03] <seele> maco: i dunno.. maybe someone else referenced it?
[05:03] <seele> my work with the start menu was a long time ago.. like 2005-2006
[05:04] <maco> yeah it says august 2006
[05:59] <rgreening> Collosol failure on the qt4 build Riddell. I buggered something up. Gotta redo it.
[06:46] <maco> of the people using jaunty (as in, not ScottK), have any of you seen cases where kbd focus gets "stuck" in one text box for about a minute, the kwin rushes through all 4 desktops over and over for about a minute (flashing by very fast), then that stops and everything goes back to normal?
[07:00] <maco> also, when the kbd focus *does* come back, it spits the number 1 out over and over and over until i press the Any Key
[07:21] <NCommander> ScottK, kdebindings built successfully on HPPA. Patch committed to Bazaar. ENEEDSPONSORING
[11:30]  * Riddell starts on qt 4.5
[11:36] <ScottK> Riddell: There is something odd going on in doc path generation that I haven't been able to figure out.  If you look at the konq-plugins FTBFS on i386 there is a KDE4 example.  If you try to rebuild koffice you can have a KDE3 example.  Would you please have a look?
[11:49]  * Riddell looks
[12:05] <Riddell> ScottK: konq-plugins bulids here, but I've no idea why it should put its docs in usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/doc/ instead of usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konq-plugins
[12:43] <NCommander> ScottK, or Riddell ping?
[12:46] <Riddell> NCommander: pong
[12:46] <NCommander> Riddell, care to sponsor kdebindings from Bazaar, it fixes HPPA.
[12:48] <Riddell> NCommander: care to convince https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano/2.1.64+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/874157 and https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/874164 to build?
[12:48]  * NCommander takes a look at the queues
[12:48] <NCommander> Eh, we're past FF at this point
[12:48] <NCommander> Guess it doesn't matter if the buildds haven't drained
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> KTorrent seems to be in pretty good shape going in to FF, only 8 bugs now. :]
[12:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so long as its not declaired illegal in Sweden
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> Oh! kdebindings!
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 330079
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> If we're uploading a new kdebindings we might as well get that fixed
[12:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[12:55]  * JontheEchidna now goes to fix all the bugs he'd been meaning to fix after FF
[12:56] <NCommander> Riddell, rescored
[13:00] <NCommander> Riddell, can you sponsor a quick fix for me?
[13:02] <Riddell> NCommander: I could
[13:02] <Riddell> kdebindings uploaded
[13:02] <NCommander> Thanks
[13:02]  * NCommander is just waiting for the test build on ARMel to finish
[13:03] <NCommander> Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/120114/
[13:09] <NCommander> damn it
[13:09] <NCommander> -_-;
[13:11] <Riddell> NCommander: uploaded
[13:11] <NCommander> Riddell, thank you
[13:11] <NCommander> ScottK, ping
[13:11] <ScottK> NCommander: Pong
[13:11] <NCommander> ScottK, kdebindings didn't get dispatched to HPPA. Is there a p-a-s line still for it?
[13:12] <ScottK> NCommander: No.
[13:12] <ScottK> NCommander: You can see the last upload got tried there.
[13:13] <NCommander> now I'm just WTFing ...
[13:13] <NCommander> Unless someone added one between now and then
[13:14] <ScottK> NCommander: I looked at pas yesterday or the day before and there wasn't.
[13:14] <NCommander> Ok
[13:14] <NCommander> build admins pinged
[13:34] <NCommander> Riddell, uh ...
[13:34] <NCommander> Riddell, you did see my patch for libdc1394, right ...?
[13:34]  * NCommander sees the no changes rebuild, which wasn't 100% in fixing this >.<;
[13:36] <Riddell> that's the one you asked for to do yesterday, your patch today is uploaded as libdc1394_1.1.0-5ubuntu3
[13:36] <NCommander> oh
[13:36] <NCommander> ok
[13:36] <NCommander> I'm just loosing my mind
[13:36] <NCommander> I'm sorry :-/
[13:37]  * NCommander didn't see it get uploaded
[13:49] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[13:49] <Riddell> hi rgreening
[13:49] <rgreening> so, my qt4 update failed. not sure what chanfge broke it
[13:49] <rgreening> and it takes like 3 hours to build each time
[13:50] <Riddell> it's a beast isn't it
[13:50] <Riddell> rgreening: I've got a compile going here so I'll see what happens
[13:50] <rgreening> yes.
[13:50] <Riddell> I think your last build failed because you disabled 18_enable_qt3support_qtwebkit_debug_info.diff
[13:50] <rgreening> yep. I just re-uploaded
[13:50] <rgreening> or will in a sec I mean
[13:51] <rgreening> I had like 4 hrs sleep
[13:51] <rgreening> lol
[13:51] <Riddell> rgreening: you think one of the patches causes the problem with kdm?
[13:52] <rgreening> I think so. 0180 or 30 I think
[13:52] <Riddell> but if kdm has a fix in trunk, we can just use that
[13:52] <rgreening> or 41
[13:53] <rgreening> Riddell: I never had the problem earlier using this same RC1 build, before I did the refresh to fabo's debian build.
[13:53] <rgreening> in the refresh, a couple of patches were updated. 41 being the most likely candidate
[13:53] <Riddell> 41 should be fine to disable, it's for alpha and we don't do alpha
[13:54] <rgreening> Now, I am also using amd64 and other updates on my system. so it could be broken for other reasons.
[13:54] <rgreening> Riddell: maybe we could get someone else to try the ~ppa8 build (on x86)
[13:54] <rgreening> or try it via a live cd
[13:56] <shtylman> Riddell: ubiquity change are in
[13:57] <shtylman> dunno what you can merge now, but things are committed
[14:02] <rgreening> Riddell: I have my old laptop. Its x86. trying from there to see if there's a difference on ~ppa8
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> Could a core-dev approve the Intrepid nominations for bug 314016, bug 303505, and bug 330446?
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, ScottK: ^^
[14:04] <ScottK> Sure.
[14:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I approved the kompare one.  I'm not sure the other two are SRU worthy.  I'd like Riddell to look at them.
[14:08] <Riddell> rgreening: KDM works fine with ~ppa8
[14:08] <rgreening> Then it's an 64 bit issue or some of my updates?
[14:09] <rgreening> or maybe my vid card
[14:09] <rgreening> hmm...
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Thanks
[14:10] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, if ~ppa8 works, then I just need to update the lonnnnnnnnng changelog
[14:10] <rgreening> and sned a diff
[14:12] <rgreening> Riddell: I think 07 may be an issue.
[14:13] <rgreening> does this matter: uname -m returns x86_64 but dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH returns amd64
[14:13] <rgreening> Riddell: nm. the patch is ok
[14:13] <Riddell> rgreening: well the point of the patch is to sort that out
[14:14] <rgreening> ya.
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 924880
[14:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: accepted
[14:18]  * JontheEchidna is testbuilding the kde4libs fixes in his ppa
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[14:20] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, I installed on my x86. works (prior to updates). Will perform some updates and see that it still works after.
[14:21] <rgreening> anyone here have amd/x86_64 (64 bit) Jaunty install and willing to test/break your system :)
[14:22] <rgreening> I need a gineua pig to test qt 4.5.0 on that arch
[14:23] <shtylman> :(
[14:24] <shtylman> I can give it a go
[14:25] <ScottK> Riddell: ktorrent-data needs to get put into Main so ktorrent will be installable again.
[14:26] <Riddell> ScottK: done
[14:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> should the plasma applet go to main too?
[14:27] <ScottK> That's the only KDE non-language pack package on the problem list.
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> The widget is not a dependency but it might be nice
[14:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How big is it?
[14:28] <Riddell> it's in main
[14:28] <ScottK> OK.  I'll quit asking then.
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> It's quite small
[14:29] <Riddell> rgreening: I get a lot of refresh errors with qt 4.5
[14:29] <Riddell> I had them with 4.4 too but less so I'm sure
[14:29] <rgreening> refresh errors?
[14:29] <rgreening> not repainting?
[14:29] <Riddell> areas of the screen not  being drawn, just filled with junk
[14:30] <rgreening> ya... I see that with 4.4 as well. Possibly a X thing (you got a intel vid card?)
[14:30] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/drawing.png
[14:30] <Riddell> I do have an intel card
[14:32] <Riddell> shtylman: did the oxygen people convince you to change the bars then?
[14:32] <shtylman> when is qt 4.5 released?
[14:32] <shtylman> Riddell: yea, to better "integrate" http://shtylman.com/stuff/partbar/part_bars8.png
[14:32] <Riddell> "soon"
[14:33] <Riddell> bling bling
[14:34] <Riddell> shtylman: and what about the changes needed to debian-installer for kdm?
[14:34] <shtylman> Riddell: I made the change to user-setup in a separate branch on launchpad and proposed a merge into the main one
[14:35] <Riddell> shtylman: I take it you use Kate, lots of these added :)  -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
[14:36] <shtylman> Riddell: yea :)
[14:41] <Riddell> shtylman: what are the changes in gui/qt/advanceddialog.ui for?
[14:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Also it looks like libnjb fell into Universe is keeping amarok from building.
[14:43] <Riddell> ScottK: fixed
[14:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:44] <shtylman> Riddell: oh yea...I change the line edit to a combo box
[14:44] <shtylman> to match what the gtk guys have
[14:44] <shtylman> that was also on the todo list if I recall
[14:45] <Riddell> shtylman: so it is
[14:45] <Riddell> shtylman: you made a change to src/cut-and-paste/e-map/e-map-marshal.c  ?
[14:45] <shtylman> Riddell: nope
[14:46] <Riddell> shtylman: and ubiquity/timezone_map.py ?
[14:48] <shtylman> I did a fix for the gtk people..but I think they already pulled those
[14:49] <shtylman> had to do with city placement code
[14:53] <Riddell> shtylman: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/120155/
[14:53] <Riddell> is what the merge gives me
[14:54] <Riddell> should I keep that or throw it out?
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> The Todo is looking nice and non-red
[14:56] <shtylman> I would say throw it out...I have told them about it so if they want to change their city placement code they know who to ask
[14:58] <rgreening> shtylman: hehe
[14:59] <shtylman> also: man...the oxygen people are picky...but the results do end up being good (side note)
[15:00] <Riddell> shtylman: that's artists for you :)
[15:00] <mrvanes> Am I the only one having problems with Networkmanager/knetworkmanager and wireless connection in jaunty atm?
[15:05] <Riddell> shtylman: hmm, it seems to start on the partition page
[15:05] <Riddell> mrvanes: works for me
[15:05] <shtylman> oh..jesus
[15:05] <shtylman> yea...take that out :)
[15:06] <mrvanes> Riddell: I can't authenticate, but it works using clean wpa_supplicant and dhclient...
[15:06] <shtylman> Riddell: I can take out out, or if you search for TODO remove
[15:06] <shtylman> in the kde_ui file
[15:06] <mrvanes> I'll see what debug info NM gives...
[15:06] <shtylman> and comment out the two lines after it that set the page
[15:06] <shtylman> I was using that for testing
[15:06] <shtylman> cause clicking through the options got annoying
[15:09] <mrvanes> Riddell: NetworkManager: <WARN>  wait_for_connection_expired(): Connection (2) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/Connection/0 failed to activate (timeout): (0) Connection was not provided by any settings service
[15:14] <mrvanes> Riddell: probably bug #259278
[15:17] <Riddell> shtylman: hmm, when I click past the keyboard stage it goes to the manual partitioning page, no partition methods page
[15:17] <Quintasan> Hi
[15:18] <Quintasan> I'm getting an Xapian error while updating the package list using adept
[15:18] <shtylman> Riddell: I will take a look at that...see if there are changes to other ubiquity components that I missed
[15:20] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/nPZT3Vr3.html  <-- the error
[15:22] <Quintasan> Console output: http://pastebin.ca/1342027
[15:22] <shtylman> Riddell: do you have any unmounted disks?
[15:22] <Riddell> shtylman: no
[15:22] <shtylman> Riddell: that is why
[15:22] <shtylman> there are no disks to install to
[15:23] <shtylman> Riddell: im gonna check against the gtk one, but I think that happens everywhere when there are no disks
[15:24] <Riddell> right enough, if I put in a usb disk it works
[15:24] <shtylman> :)
[15:27] <Riddell> shtylman: ok, looking good
[15:27] <Riddell> shtylman: I'll merge it in
[15:28] <Riddell> shtylman: I think the timezone map label should have the city on it as well as the current time
[15:28] <Riddell> and the shiny bars disappear when I select "manaual partitioning" which is offputting, disappearing widgets are confusing
[15:29] <shtylman> Riddell: ok..I will put that in (currently more changes for the oxygen people) (need to figure out how to get the General and Small font from kde settings) :)
[15:29] <Riddell> and I can't select Edinburgh as a timezone any more!
[15:29] <Riddell> of course, that you ever could was a bug, but a bug I liked
[15:29] <shtylman> hahaha
[15:30] <seaLne> it felt better than having to pick london
[15:38] <rgreening> Riddell: I will have a diff/dsc for qt4.5.0 shortly. Updated changelog, etc. However, it still concerns me that it works for x86 but failed on my x86_64. I realy would like someone to look at it with a 64 bit system. could be a localized system issue.
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: would you look kindly upon a FFe for this? http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/a-new-blog-and-the-possible-end-to-the-java-dependancy-in-nepomuk-kde/
[15:49] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: nice
[15:50] <mrvanes> Riddel: using nm-applet for the moment. Find it strange that I never experienced problem untill now, since the bug is so old?
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> the virtuoso tarball is a bit large, but this does look promising
[15:56] <shtylman> Riddell: my changes to user-setup have been merged in
[16:02] <slytherin> what is preferred backend for multimedia apps in kubuntu? gstreamer or xine?
[16:02] <rgreening> Riddell: you want me to e-mail the diff/dsc for qt4.5.0?
[16:02] <rgreening> or commit to bzr
[16:03] <rgreening> nm. I cant commit ... its not part of our repo. I'll email
[16:07] <rgreening> Riddell: Qt 4.5.0 e-mailed to you.
[16:08] <jjesse> in the documentation should we be refereing to kpackagekit or Add/Remove Software?  for jaunty
[16:08] <jjesse> i guess the question what will be showing in the application launcher
[16:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: totally
[16:12] <Tm_T> rgreening: ooooh!
[16:12] <rgreening> Tm_T: :)
[16:12] <rgreening> Tm_T: do you have a 64bit system or 32?
[16:12] <Tm_T> 32
[16:13] <Tm_T> building Qt from svn
[16:13] <rgreening> dang. I need someone woth a 64 to test
[16:13] <shtylman> I have 64bit
[16:13] <Riddell> rgreening: shtylman offered
[16:13] <rgreening> Qt 4.5.0 works fine for Riddell and on my x86. But kills kdm on my 64bit
[16:13] <rgreening> oh, missed that.
[16:13] <shtylman> thats good to know :)
[16:14] <rgreening> shtylman: lol. So, you able to update via my PPA?
[16:14] <rgreening> ~roderick-greening
[16:15] <rgreening> shtylman: and you have installed a 64 bit system (i.e. amd64 packages)...
[16:15] <shtylman> I am running jaunty amd64 yea...
[16:15] <Riddell> rgreening: hmm, arora fails to start sometimes with 4.5 "SingleApplication: Unable to start single server.
[16:15] <Riddell> "
[16:16] <rgreening> Riddell: yeah, I had that with all builds of 4.5
[16:16] <shtylman> rgreening: should i go ahead and update from you ppa?
[16:16] <rgreening> shtylman: yes. I assume you have the old qt packages still in your /var/cache/apt in case you have to rollback (like I did)?
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> virtuoso uses autotools. Yippie
[16:17] <rgreening> shtylman: if not, you may want to retrieve them :)
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> hum, they also distribute a debian directory
[16:18] <shtylman> rgreening: k...thanks for the heads up? what all should i retrieve, just libqt?
[16:20] <rgreening> see which *qt*4.4.3* packages you have installed. See if they are in the cache. If not, retrieve those so you can rollback.
[16:20] <rgreening> shtylman: the issue I had was kdm dies. so, I had to use dpkg -i <lis of packages> to roll back to 4.4.3
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> What do you do when an upstream includes a debian dir in their packaging?
[16:21] <shtylman> rgreening: k
[16:21] <rgreening> oh, and if you have the lib qt opengl-dev and lib qt dev packages installed, you may need to remove those to roll back.
[16:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: rebuild the .tar.gz with the directory removed
[16:21] <rgreening> oh my
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: upstream calls it virtuoso-opensource. Would we want to call the package virtuoso-opensource or just virtuoso?
[16:22] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'd stick with the upstream name
[16:23] <rgreening> yet we don't for qt4-x11 :)
[16:23] <rgreening> ah, the joy of packaging
[16:23] <Riddell> rgreening: not seeing an e-mail from you
[16:23] <Riddell> rgreening: upstream kept changing that name
[16:24] <rgreening> I sent to jriddell AT ubuntu.com.. let me verify...
[16:25] <rgreening> resent. I had a space "ubuntu .com"
[16:25] <rgreening> lol
[16:27] <rgreening> Tonio_, Riddell: Is k3b a possibility yet?
[16:29] <rgreening> Riddell, Tonio_: kpackagekit 0.4 is available and can not build against packagekit 0.3.14. I suggest we consider moving to kpackagekit 0.4 front-end
[16:30] <rgreening> s/can not/can now/
[16:30] <rgreening> glatzor informs me that the patch is in to make this possible.
[16:31] <shtylman> rgreening: how did you get a list off all the packages to save? apt-cache?
[16:32] <rgreening> I had them in my archive already
[16:32] <rgreening> Riddell: any suggestions for shtylman^
[16:32] <rgreening> or JontheEchidna^
[16:34] <Tonio_> rgreening: contrib tomorrow, that's the first on my todo :)
[16:34] <Tonio_> rgreening: right now I'm way to busy at work...
[16:35] <Tonio_> rgreening: but you can expect something for tomorrow :)
[16:35] <rgreening> np.
[16:35] <rgreening> Tonio_: is that in response to k3b or kpackagekit or both?
[16:36] <Tonio_> rgreening: both :)
[16:36] <rgreening> ok. cool.
[16:36] <Tonio_> rgreening: as said, is there a real benefit with kpackagekit 0.4 ?
[16:36] <Tonio_> rgreening: and more than this, are we should not to experience new bugs that we don't have now ?
[16:37] <Tonio_> rgreening: you said "can not build against", is that a "can build" ? otherwise, I don't get your pont ;)
[16:38] <rgreening> yes, I immediately corrected in line below :)
[16:38] <rgreening> s/can not/can now/
[16:38] <rgreening> :P
[16:38] <rgreening> Tonio_: ^
[16:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: hum, the kde-apps page is clear : This version does not provide backwards compatibility (ie working with PackageKit < 0.4), update to this version ONLY if your PackageKit and QPackageKit (packagekit-qt) are >= 0.4.
[16:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: where is the change mentionned ?
[16:39] <glatzor> hello Riddell, why did you merge the large autogen patch of NCommander? What issues do you see compared to running autogen.sh at build time?
[16:39] <rgreening> Tonio_: talk to glatzor in #packagekit.
[16:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: oki
[16:39] <rgreening> nm.. glatzor is here
[16:40] <rgreening> glatzor: -> Tonio_ :)
[16:40] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'll ping him tomorrow, but if we can build against the current one, then, I'm fine with it :)
[16:40] <Tonio_> glatzor: hi ;)
[16:40] <rgreening> glatzor: Tonio_ was wondering about the patch to allow 0.4 to build with 0.3.14 backend
[16:40] <rgreening> care to elaborate.
[16:42] <NCommander> glatzor, rerunning ./autogen.sh at build time means that autotools must be in the chroot. This causes a LOT of headaches when things are backported, or when autotools gets updated.
[16:42] <glatzor> Tonio_, the at bindings of packagekit have been quite mature for monthes. so there haven't been many changes between 0.3.14 and 0.4.x.
[16:43] <NCommander> glatzor, a buncho of the desktop team packages do this, as did KDE packages before 4.x
[16:43] <Tonio_> glatzor: oki
[16:44] <glatzor> Tonio_, s/at bindings/qt bindings/
[16:44] <Tonio_> glatzor: I suppose this means we have to go on a separate package for libpackagekit-qt right ?
[16:45] <Tonio_> glatzor: or can you backport the changes so that I can build kpackagekit ?
[16:45] <glatzor> Tonio_, one change was revert some time later and the other one was adding a missing piece of api which is now used in kpackagekit 0.4
[16:45] <glatzor> Tonio_, so the patch only adds 20 lines of code
[16:46] <Tonio_> glatzor: the libpackagekit-qt patch ? nice :)
[16:46] <Tonio_> glatzor: then there is no need to patch kpackagekit if my ujnderstanding is correct ?
[16:46] <glatzor> Tonio_, right
[16:47] <Tonio_> glatzor: hum, what would be good is to use your ppa for this...
[16:47] <Tonio_> glatzor: I can package kpackagekit tomorrow morning,pretty early
[16:47] <glatzor> Tonio_, you will get it in some minutes there
[16:47] <Tonio_> glatzor: you rock :)
[16:48] <Tonio_> rgreening: let's meet tomorrow morning for tests then ;)
[16:48] <rgreening> sounds good
[16:51] <glatzor> Tonio_, I just wanted to give the opportunity to use a later kpackagekit version. but I cannot give any recommendations on this.
[16:52] <Tonio_> glatzor: and I understand that :) I'll perform a complete QA test on it
[16:52] <rgreening> shtylman: any luck
[16:52] <Tonio_> glatzor: I was very affraid about API changes, but those 20 lines of code may not be that dangerous
[16:53] <shtylman> rgreening: yea..I just got my cache updated
[16:53] <shtylman> and am gonna do an update with your repo now
[16:54] <rgreening> Tonio_: It may be prudent to do this, as if gnome/ubuntu decides to upgrade packagekit in the backend, our fronteend woulkd be ready/tested.
[16:54] <rgreening> shtylman: cool
[16:54] <Tonio_> rgreening: true that
[16:54] <glatzor> rgreening, no. I won't upgrade packagekit to 0.4.x
[16:54] <rgreening> :)
[16:54] <rgreening> stranger things have happened glatzor
[16:59] <shtylman> rgreening: installed...now what?
[16:59] <rgreening> logout, restart kdm, login (hopefully).
[16:59] <rgreening> my kdm kept dumpting me to cmd line
[17:01] <shtylman> same here :(
[17:02] <shtylman> check your log?
[17:02] <shtylman> I get a filed to set tiling error
[17:07] <shtylman> tiling seems to be the problem...at least for me
[17:08] <shtylman> rgreening: running start x seeming to work
[17:08] <shtylman> nvm...that crapped out
[17:09] <rgreening> lol
[17:09] <rgreening> so its 64 bit related. 32 bit seems to run just fine
[17:09] <shtylman> well...jesus dandy
[17:09] <rgreening> now, exactly what, I do not know.
[17:10] <rgreening> I had ddxSigGiveUp as last line before kdm dies
[17:10] <shtylman> ok...I rebooted
[17:11] <shtylman> kdm still fails
[17:11] <shtylman> but startx worked
[17:11] <shtylman> and kded4 is taking 100% cpu
[17:11] <rgreening> weird
[17:12] <shtylman> ok..killed that
[17:12] <shtylman> anyhow...yea..I was able to get graphics stuff
[17:12] <shtylman> what graphics card you have?
[17:13] <shtylman> great...killing kded4 means I don't get to type anymore apprently...
[17:14] <shtylman> and plasma does not play nice at all
[17:15] <rgreening> I have an intel gm45
[17:16] <rgreening> pure intel chipset
[17:16] <shtylman> I have intel as well
[17:16] <rgreening> hmm... which?
[17:16] <shtylman> oh..man
[17:16] <shtylman> 950 or so maybe
[17:16] <rgreening> ok, I know that works, on my x86, thats what I have
[17:17] <rgreening> so its 64bit related somehow
[17:17] <shtylman> fun
[17:17] <shtylman> someone is playing with integers and pointers incorrectly :)
[17:17] <rgreening> not so much. Riddell? Suggestions on how to debug this as a possible 64 bit issue?
[17:17] <rgreening> shtylman: ya
[17:20] <shtylman> my first guess is in the libqt4-opengl-dev package...but I dunno
[17:21] <rgreening> shtylman: can you look at kdm.log and Xorg.0.log and .xsession-errors and see if you see any ref to "error setting MTRR (base = 0xd0000000, size = 0x10000000, type = 1) Invalid argument (22)"
[17:21] <hunger> Is it possible that phonon-backend-xine from kde > 4.1.4 sneaked into intrepid/backports or updates?
[17:22] <shtylman> yep
[17:22] <shtylman> in kdm.log
[17:22] <shtylman> rgreening: ^
[17:23] <rgreening> did you have that before updating
[17:23] <rgreening> I never
[17:23] <rgreening> and thats why X fails. now, why does Qt trigger that.
[17:23] <rgreening> NCommander: ping
[17:24] <shtylman> no..I don't think I did
[17:25] <rgreening> and shtylmanit's kdmgreet that appears to die, not sure if the mrtt issue is cause or result or what.
[17:27] <shtylman> yea..I noticed that kdmgreet dies too
[17:27] <rgreening> shtylman: do you have 4GB RAM o rgreater?
[17:28] <shtylman> on a side note...the latest updates cause my kded4 to use an obscene amount of cpu
[17:28] <shtylman> rgreening: 2
[17:28] <rgreening> o
[17:28] <rgreening> ok
[17:29] <rgreening> shtylman: can you run X on the cmdline not startx
[17:29] <rgreening> see if at least x launches
[17:29] <rgreening> shtylman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/315819
[17:30] <rgreening> seems interesting
[17:31] <rgreening> shtylman: so the mtrr may not be a real issue.
[17:31] <rgreening> and we are back to kdmgreet crash.
[17:33] <rgreening> shtylman: I wonder if you disable compositing effects. would that make a difference?
[17:33] <rgreening> or load gdm instead?
[17:33] <shtylman> rgreening: trying the X only thing...and I think kdmgreet is the best option for starting to see what it loads
[17:34] <shtylman> rgreening: thats an interesting idea...
[17:34] <rgreening> k
[17:35] <shtylman> rgreening: I can't even just do X right now
[17:35] <rgreening> really?
[17:35] <rgreening> what does it say
[17:35] <shtylman> x fails with 'failed to set tiling'
[17:36] <devfil2> Riddell: ping
[17:36] <rgreening> dunno why you have that
[17:36] <Riddell> glatzor: he asked me too, it's not very clean but neither is any approach with autoconf
[17:36] <Riddell> hi devfil2
[17:36] <rgreening> shtylman: can you try the vesa driver in your xorg.conf?
[17:37] <rgreening> and then start X?
[17:37] <shtylman> yea..I was gonna suggest that
[17:37] <rgreening> :)
[17:37] <devfil2> Riddell: can you please upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/120207/ ?
[17:37] <shtylman> damn...how do I kill a running X server
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> hunger: kde 4.2 should be entering intrepid-backports soon
[17:41] <shtylman> rgreening: vesa fails
[17:41] <Riddell> devfil2: uploaded
[17:41] <devfil2> Riddell: thanks :)
[17:41] <shtylman> rgreening: or at least nothing shows up
[17:41] <shtylman> server seems to start...but it makes a black screen
[17:41] <rgreening> X by itself does nothing
[17:41] <rgreening> yes, thats good
[17:41] <shtylman> ahh ok
[17:41] <Riddell> NCommander: could you big up this build https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kde4libs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu2~intrepid1
[17:42] <rgreening> shtylman: so, hmm.... weird. try running startx with vesa
[17:43] <shtylman> k
[17:43] <shtylman> rgreening: that was good to go
[17:43] <shtylman> (man qt 4.5 is fast)
[17:43] <shtylman> its visibly faster...
[17:44] <rgreening> so intel driver on 64 bit causes kdmgreet to crash (possibly a vblank issue).
[17:44] <rgreening> arg.
[17:44] <rgreening> anyone else have 64 bit but non intel vid?
[17:44] <rgreening> :)
[17:44] <shtylman> vblank...what would kdmgreet be doing to cause that?
[17:45] <shtylman> rgreening: and my desktop effects have been off the whole time...so its not that
[17:45] <rgreening> dunno. saw it in my syslog. do yo uget a drm/vblank error in your syslog?
[17:46] <shtylman> yea..I do
[17:46] <shtylman> im running with the i915 driver
[17:46] <rgreening> ok, there is a vblank issue with intel driver.
[17:46] <shtylman> well dandy
[17:46] <rgreening> though, why qt is exposing this now...
[17:46] <rgreening> doesn't make sense.
[17:47] <rgreening> NCommander: ^^^
[17:47] <shtylman> they probly changed drawing code to make things more optimal
[17:47] <rgreening> any iseas, ans you are the big qt hacker
[17:47] <rgreening> NCommander: 6
[17:47] <shtylman> and that could expose minor vid card errors
[17:47] <rgreening> s/6/^^
[17:47] <rgreening> shtylman: maybe....
[17:47] <rgreening> oh my.
[17:48] <rgreening> so vesa is working for you?
[17:48] <shtylman> appears so
[17:48] <shtylman> but that was with startx
[17:48] <shtylman> let me try kdm
[17:48] <rgreening> ok, play with it for a bit. try via kdm
[17:48] <rgreening> ya
[17:48] <shtylman> ooo
[17:49] <shtylman> on leaving kde (without kdm) I got
[17:49] <shtylman> waiting for X server to shut down error setting MTRR ... etc...invalid argument (22)
[17:50] <shtylman> and kdm crashes with vesa
[17:50] <rgreening> ok.. see what kdm does
[17:50] <shtylman> kdmgreet crashes with the MTRR error
[17:51] <rgreening> but startx works... interesting
[17:51] <rgreening> do you have nepomuk enabled?
[17:51] <shtylman> probly
[17:52] <shtylman> should I turn it off?
[17:52] <rgreening> try disabling (for a hoot) and try bot startx and kdm
[17:52] <shtylman> (I do have it enabled)
[17:52] <rgreening> try it off... im curious
[17:52] <shtylman> k
[17:53] <shtylman> startx worked (and kded4 is no longer 100% cpu..which is nice :) )
[17:53] <rgreening> exit startx
[17:53] <shtylman> kdm is still no go
[17:53] <rgreening> did startx exit clean
[17:54] <rgreening> ok, try reboot with vesa, nepomuk disabled, and composite effects off.
[17:55] <shtylman> startx seems to exit clean
[17:55] <rgreening> ok. thats promising
[17:55] <rgreening> brb
[17:56] <shtylman> kdm failed on reboot
[17:57] <Tonio_> glatzor: I have to go, just a little notice about the deps arround packagekit...
[17:58] <Tonio_> glatzor: libpackagekit-qt doesn't depend on the backend... I don't know if that's normal, but in case it is, I have to add to kpackagekit dep on packagekit backend
[17:58] <Tonio_> glatzor: We'll have to discuss this tomorrow I guess
[17:59] <glatzor> Tonio_, no. the deps are perfect.
[17:59] <glatzor> Tonio_, just depend on packagekit
[17:59] <Tonio_> glatzor: oki doki
[18:00] <glatzor> Tonio_, packagekit depends on the backends
[18:00] <Tonio_> glatzor: yeah I've seen that
[18:00] <glatzor> Tonio_, circular dependencies would be a pain in upgrade situations
[18:00] <Tonio_> glatzor: yeah It's just strange to me that the lib doesn't depend on the backend...
[18:01] <Tonio_> glatzor: but you certainly have a good reason for this :)
[18:01] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll fix the deps on the kpackagekit package
[18:02] <shtylman> rgreening: gdm worked on vesa
[18:02] <rgreening> shtylman: it has to be 64bit related... I installed on my x86 with intel 945gme and it runs fine.
[18:03] <rgreening> shtylman: I wonder if kde meeds a rebuild?
[18:03] <rgreening> Riddell: ^^
[18:03] <shtylman> that would be an easy first step
[18:03] <shtylman> maybe just kdm?
[18:03] <rgreening> fabo: ping. need some held. did you test your debian qt 4.5.0 with amd64 bit?
[18:03] <rgreening> shtylman: maybe...
[18:04] <shtylman> what source package has kdm in it?
[18:04] <shtylman> rgreening: gdm also works with intel driver
[18:04] <rgreening> kdebase-workspace
[18:05] <rgreening> shtylman: ok, so you have a working solution for the moment. I'll upload workspace to my PPA and rebuild
[18:05] <shtylman> rgreening: ok
[18:05] <rgreening> shtylman: do yo uget the mtrr error message?
[18:05] <rgreening> with gdm
[18:06] <shtylman> not that I can see
[18:06] <rgreening> hrmmm
[18:06] <shtylman> but I do get the tiling error
[18:07] <rgreening> shtylman: maybe you had that before.
[18:07] <shtylman> its possible
[18:07] <shtylman> the gdm log has no mention of the mtrr error
[18:07] <shtylman> nor does xorg
[18:08] <rgreening> shtylman: I get the tiling erron on my 945 on x86 which works
[18:08] <shtylman> (how long does ppa take to compile?)
[18:08] <shtylman> rgreening: ok..so thats not a problem, only mtrr
[18:08] <rgreening> dunno. cant remember
[18:08] <rgreening> seems to be a symptom for sure
[18:09] <shtylman> rgreening: is it like a day? or less? just curious for my own files whether its worth it to use ppa or compile locally
[18:10] <rgreening> hr maybe?
[18:11] <shtylman> oh wow...thats faster than I thought
[18:11] <rgreening> uploaded
[18:11] <rgreening> qt4.5.0 taks 3 hrs
[18:11] <shtylman> damn
[18:11] <rgreening> I don't think workspace is that long
[18:12] <Quintasan> rgreening: you uploaded qt4.5 packages? :3
[18:12] <rgreening> Quintasan: yes. do you have 64 bit or 32 bit?
[18:12] <Quintasan> 64 bit
[18:12] <shtylman> oh joy!
[18:12] <rgreening> awesome. we need help
[18:12] <rgreening> Quintasan: willing to break something
[18:12] <Quintasan> Anytime :3
[18:13] <rgreening> ok, qt 4.5.0 in my PPA doesn't seem to like 64 bit (at least with intel vid)
[18:13] <Quintasan> just let me backup my home
[18:13] <rgreening> Quintasan: do you have intel vid or other?
[18:13] <Quintasan> radeon 9550
[18:13] <rgreening> ok, good a diff card to try
[18:14] <rgreening> Quintasan: I would recommend installing gdm as it seems to work if kdm fails (which is what we see)
[18:14] <rgreening> Quintasan: my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa
[18:15] <rgreening> shtylman: can you update via PPA. A new qt built and I disabled some patches...
[18:15] <Quintasan> kk, I'll test it asap, just need to eat something @_@
[18:16] <rgreening> kk
[18:16] <devfil2> Riddell: can you please upload also http://paste.ubuntu.com/120220/plain/ ?
[18:17] <shtylman> rgreening: watch pactches disabled?
[18:18] <shtylman> rgreening: I do update, but see no new at packages
[18:18] <rgreening> 0180, 30,40,41,50,70,71,80,81
[18:18] <shtylman> *qt
[18:18] <rgreening> shtylman: oh, maybe repor hasnt copied yet...
[18:18] <rgreening> build is done...
[18:19] <rgreening> oh and 16 was disabled too.
[18:20] <rgreening> shtylman: you still have the PPA enabled?
[18:21] <shtylman> yea
[18:21] <Riddell> devfil2: it builds fine without any modification?
[18:22] <jjesse> nixternal: you around or still out looking for a job?
[18:22] <nixternal> both :)
[18:22] <devfil2> Riddell: yes, do you want the build log?
[18:22] <rgreening> shtylman: try updating again. its available
[18:22] <Riddell> devfil2: I'll take your word for it
[18:22] <shtylman> new qt package?
[18:23] <jjesse> nixternal: working on add-applications should we use kpackagekit or Add and Remove Software?  Or software Managemetn in the docs
[18:23] <rgreening> shtylman: ~ppa10
[18:23] <shtylman> don't see it
[18:23] <nixternal> hrmm, good question....
[18:23] <nixternal> Riddell: is add/remove going to get replaced in jaunty?
[18:23] <shtylman> I updated but dist-upgrade doesn't want to update anything
[18:23] <devfil2> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~d.filoni/+archive/ppa/+build/875760
[18:23] <rgreening> shtylman: or did you install ~ppa10 already?
[18:24] <jjesse> i thought add remove would be replaced by kpackagekit?  or am i not understanding how things are working
[18:24] <nixternal> i thought it would stay but the big adept thingy was going bye bye
[18:24] <Riddell> nixternal: probably not, rgreening is working with upstream on it
[18:24] <shtylman> rgreening: I have ppa10 already
[18:24] <nixternal> Riddell: so it is safe to use add/remove in the documentation then?
[18:24] <rgreening> shtylman: ok...
[18:24] <rgreening> Riddell: did you upload qt 4.5.0 yet?
[18:24] <Riddell> rgreening: not yet
[18:25] <shtylman> rgreening: I am off to class, will get on irc there and continue
[18:25] <nixternal> jjesse: I am planning on doing some doc work this weekend...we are supposed to bug jam on saturday, but they are calling for 6+ inches of snow
[18:25] <rgreening> shtylman: ty
[18:25] <jjesse> hrmm so i've removed some references to add/remove so we should revert
[18:25] <nixternal> Riddell: if you haven't heard or caught on, I am no longer employed :(  so that means you need to make some room for me to get back in if I can :)
[18:26] <Riddell> nixternal: erk, that's nasty
[18:26] <nixternal> that it is
[18:26] <rgreening> Riddell: if I have a FFE  think the changes can be made before launch for the add remove. I have a kcm that can be used as Add/Remove in start menu.
[18:30] <Riddell> rgreening: how does that work?
[18:31] <rgreening> kcmshell4 kpk_addrm_simple will launch my module. we have a desktop link for that in the start menu.
[18:31] <rgreening> yes?
[18:33] <Riddell> rgreening: but how does it get the list of applications and populate its tree view?  that's what you were struggling with before
[18:34] <rgreening> Riddell: oh, that's a work in progress with upstream. I was only saying how "it could/would" be. Some of the work is already patched in upstream for app-install-data, packagekit and kpackagekit. I have to get those patches, review and see whats missing and how I need to integrate.
[18:35] <Riddell> rgreening: hrm, that means changing to the new version of packagekit presumably
[18:36] <Riddell> nixternal, jjesse: probably best not to refer to it in docs yet anyway
[18:36] <rgreening> no, the patch would be available/backported to 0.3.14. This is a requirement we discussed with packagekit team and they agreed.
[18:36] <Riddell> rgreening: oh, interesting
[18:36] <rgreening> :)
[18:36] <rgreening> who da man
[18:37] <Riddell> rgreening: I compiled qt 4.5 with phonon and now I have <audio> working in arora, but <video> only works with sound not video
[18:37] <rgreening> heh
[18:40] <rgreening> brb (hopefully). trying qt 4.5.0 ...
[18:42] <Riddell> ah hah, arora needs this http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=251
[18:42] <Riddell> ah hah, arora needs this http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=251
[18:43] <shtylman_> rgreening: anything new?
[18:44] <rgreening> nope. tried my updated build... still same issue. kdmgreet fails. startx works.
[18:44] <rgreening> brb. going to reboot
[18:46] <shtylman_> Riddell: I will test the installer and run it through a full install tonight, also, the gtk guys did a few more updates and I will take a look at those to see where ours stands in relation
[18:49] <Quintasan> thats damn nice, something killed my computer while copying the etc dir form my home >_<
[18:53] <rgreening> shtylman: gdm works... but not kdm
[18:53] <shtylman_> rgreening: :/
[18:53] <rgreening> so, a rebuild may or may not correct... will see
[18:53] <shtylman_> have you tried a kdm rebuild?
[18:53] <rgreening> its building
[18:54] <shtylman_> gotcha
[18:54] <Quintasan> rgreening: What after I upgrade qt?
[18:54] <shtylman_> pray
[18:54] <rgreening> have you loged out? did you install gdm just in case?
[18:55] <Quintasan> gdm installed, just backing up the rest of files :/
[18:55] <rgreening> kk
[18:55] <rgreening> did you set kdm or gdm as default?
[18:55] <Quintasan> anyone encoutered the xapian error?
[18:56] <Quintasan> let me check
[18:56] <rgreening> we want to test kdm if it works with non-ntel video and new Qt 4.5.0 on 64 bit
[18:56] <ScottK> Amarok FTBFS if anyone is looking for something useful to work on ....
[19:00] <DreadKnight> does the network manager plasmoid works for you guys in jaunty?
[19:00] <rgreening> DreadKnight: yus
[19:00] <DreadKnight> always crashes my plasma... and i can't use the wireless for quite a while now
[19:00] <DreadKnight> i have WPA..
[19:01] <DreadKnight> and seems the bluetooth has the option for audio devices greyed out... wanted to use my bluetooth headset heh
[19:01] <rgreening> make sure you remove any old networkmanager settings related to it in ~/.kde and in Kwallet.
[19:01] <DreadKnight> thanks, will try that out
[19:01] <rgreening> Quintasan: any luck
[19:02] <DreadKnight> and i don't want kde-twitter plamoid to ask for pass every time i start the pc...
[19:02] <DreadKnight> i guess that's for launching the wallet hmm
[19:03] <rgreening> DreadKnight: prob. mine doesn't ask me and I use the wallet. Only wallet asks if you set a password in wallet.
[19:03] <DreadKnight> mhm
[19:03] <DreadKnight> so i should get rid of the pass for kwallet access
[19:04] <rgreening> DreadKnight: I cant recommend to remove security, but if you dont really need it, then sure. The wallet will store and you dont get asked for a password.
[19:05] <DreadKnight> yeah
[19:06] <DreadKnight> so in jaunty my ./kde4 should be useless
[19:06] <DreadKnight> and not sure where settings for network manager are stored in ./kde
[19:09] <DreadKnight> found them
[19:09] <DreadKnight> share/knetworkmanager
[19:09] <DreadKnight> apps*
[19:09] <fabo> rgreening: yes. I'm using Qt under amd64
[19:09] <rgreening> fabo: what vid card do you have?
[19:10] <fabo> rgreening: nvidia and intel
[19:11] <rgreening> fabo: I built using basically your build, with a small few kubuntu differences. Qt 4.5 works on my 32 bit system but not on my 64. Same with  shtylman who has a intel 945 (I have GM45)
[19:11] <rgreening> basically, kdmgreet crashes
[19:12] <shtylman_> fabo: are you using both cards under 64bit?
[19:12] <rgreening> fabo: are you using kde 4.2? and was iyour kde rebuilt on top of qt 4.5?
[19:13] <rgreening> fabo: also which xserver and video driver version are you running? we are trying to narrow down where the issue occurs.
[19:14] <rgreening> shtylman: other than kdmgreet, other things seem stable... how bout your side?
[19:14] <fabo> yes, I'm using each laptop under amd64
[19:14] <fabo> rgreening: yes, kde 4.2 + kdebase-worskpace with the kdm fix
[19:15] <rgreening> which kdm fix fabo
[19:15] <rgreening> cause that's what I am apparantly missing
[19:15] <shtylman_> rgreening: agreed
[19:15] <shtylman_> rgreening: I have been opening and using other stuff, and it hasn't crashed
[19:16] <shtylman_> plasma drawing on some of the widgets has a few glitches, but otherwise pretty stable
[19:16] <fabo> rgreening: r922805_kdm_qt4.5_crash_fix.diff
[19:16] <rgreening> I dont have that. do you have a link?
[19:17] <shtylman_> rgreening: out for a bit (desktop still on, so feel free to leave messages for todo or updates and I will check when I get back)
[19:17] <fabo> 922805 is kde svn commit
[19:17] <rgreening> ok.
[19:17] <rgreening> JontheEchidna, Riddell: I need this promoted ^^ asap for Qt 4.5.0.
[19:18] <rgreening> ty fabo. :)
[19:18] <fabo> np
[19:19] <fabo> btw, my intel card is an i945
[19:19] <fabo> for nvidia, I'm using nouveau
[19:19] <rgreening> ok, at least I know it does work
[19:19] <rgreening> I was puling my hair out.
[19:20] <Quintasan> Looks like bad luck
[19:21] <rgreening> Quintasan: I think we have a fix. Use gdm for now. kdm needs to be patched to work correctly.
[19:21] <fabo> or startx
[19:21] <Quintasan> I killed my computer for second time today >_<
[19:22] <rgreening> Quintasan: thats an hourly venture for me
[19:22] <Quintasan> Yeah, but not while copying data, right?
[19:23] <Quintasan> The best thing is I lost unimportant data
[19:31] <Quintasan> It's dead
[19:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Congrats on the qt4-x11 SRU going through.
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> Thx.
[19:35] <Quintasan> rgreening: if you will get the fixed (hopefully) kdm, let me know
[19:36] <rgreening> Quintasan: I will upload in my PPA later, assuming JontheEchidna or Riddell do not already have the Qt 4.5.0 fix for workspace already queued up...
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> I can't actually upload anything... Riddell will have to do that
[19:37] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: do you know if the fix was already picked up or not? If not, we need to put this in
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> Doesn't look like it: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu
[19:40] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ok. I'll make the patch and bzr up it
[19:40] <rgreening> I forgot to look there.... my brain... my poor brain
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: speaking of SRUs, could you take a look at bug 303505 please? It's been approved for upload
[19:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Not right now.  Perhaps tonight.
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> Ok.
[19:52] <Quintasan> hmm It works faster (or it's my imagination)
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.5? It's supposed to be faster. :)
[19:53] <Quintasan> Hah, also menus in lancelot disappeard but I knew it before :P
[19:56] <rgreening> Quintasan: just uploaded ned kdebase-workspace to my PPA to build. Should fix the kdm issue. kdebase-workspace_4.2.0-0ubuntu6~ppa2
[19:56] <rgreening> shtylman: ^^
[20:00] <DreadKnight> mrrr network manager applet still now working
[20:00] <DreadKnight> crashes plasma
[20:00] <Quintasan> rgreening: it disappeared a second ago Oo
[20:01] <DreadKnight> and in the network manager i have no actuall "connect" button
[20:01] <rgreening> Quintasan: no, I deleted that one. it was the one without the patch
[20:01] <Quintasan> rgreening: ok
[20:01] <rgreening> the new one is uploaded to be built.
[20:01] <rgreening> so, once it builds... it's ~ppa2 extension.
[20:02] <Quintasan> hmm, I like ufw-kde ;)
[20:02] <rgreening> Quintasan: if it was finished... its a work in progress.
[20:03] <rgreening> I still have a lot of backend stuff to implement.
[20:03] <rgreening> but ty :)
[20:04] <rgreening> Quintasan: I was planning to have it on the DVD for Jaunty, but everything else took over my time.
[20:04] <rgreening> but, I'll hopefully get it into Universe at some point and then for Jaunty +1
[20:05] <Quintasan> rgreening: Happens :D I wanted to learn Qt4 but I'm preparing for exams so no Qt for me :<
[20:06] <rgreening> Quintasan: I've been teaching myself via KDE api.kde.org and a couple of PyQt books. so far, so good.
[20:10] <rgreening> Riddell: do you have a link to the bugfix for kdebindings? or better yet and actual patch?
[20:15] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: is there a numbering convention for our kubuntu patches? or pick the next highest available?
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: next highest, avoid resuing numbers
[20:16] <rgreening> ok
[20:16] <rgreening> twas what I thought
[20:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: poke, I've fixed the package :3
[20:19] <Quintasan> (hopefully)
[20:23] <Quintasan> rgreening: too bad the icon of ufw-kde is the same as adept update notifier :D
[20:24] <rgreening> Quintasan: I know. The app isn't finished. I was teaching myself PyQt while writing it. so I borrowed some bits. Never made an icon (yet)
[20:25] <Quintasan> rgreening: It just made me think "WTF? More updates?!"
[20:25] <Quintasan> :P
[20:25] <rgreening> Riddell: new kdebase-workspace needs to be uploaded from bzr to fix KDM greet crash under Qt 4.5.0.
[20:26] <rgreening> Quintasan: Bwhahahahah
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> bug 320915 is a beautiful sea of Fix Released
[21:31] <Riddell> so, bottle of champaign later, where are we?
[21:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: what package did you fix?
[21:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you need an SRU uploaded?
[21:36] <shtylman> rgreening: I am trying to update from your ppa but getting dependency errors
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yes, bug 303505
[21:54] <ScottK> Riddell: koffice FTBFS added to amarok, so fun all around.
[21:54] <Riddell> meh, devfil promised it wouldn't
[21:54] <ScottK> At a guess he test built on Intrepid.
[21:55] <ScottK> Riddell: We need to get rid of it's build-dep on kdelibs-doc so it can go NBS.
[21:55] <ScottK> ... while we're at it.
[21:55] <ScottK> (note that's the we that means someone other than me)
[21:56] <ScottK> FYI, anyone doing Python stuff, the supported Python versions in Jaunty changed from 2.4/2.5 to 2.5/2.6 yesterday.
[21:57] <shtylman> rgreening: I get package dependency errors from your ppa
[22:00] <rgreening> shtylman: what ones?
[22:01] <rgreening> on workspace?
[22:01] <shtylman> rgreening: all of them say they depend on ?=4.5.0 but 4.5.0~+rc1...etc is installed
[22:01] <rgreening> if so, ya, I see
[22:01] <rgreening> some auto magic... I think I messed up the Qt SHLIBS
[22:02] <rgreening> Riddell: ^^
[22:02] <rgreening> some advice...
[22:02] <Riddell> umm, dunno, worked for me
[22:02] <rgreening> shtylman: I think I was supposed to specify something different in the Qt build.
[22:02] <Riddell> rgreening: any changes in what you e-mailed me other than the changelog?
[22:03] <shtylman> rgreening: I see
[22:03] <rgreening> Riddell: nope.
[22:03] <rgreening> Riddell: in the qt build I set SHLIBS var to 4.5.0. I think that will cause a problem. In my ppa I cant install rebuild kdm
[22:03] <rgreening> I think I was supposed to set it to 4.5.0~+rc1
[22:04] <rgreening> kdm: Depends: libqt4-dbus (>= 4.5.0) but 4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[22:04] <shtylman> yea...same problem here
[22:04] <rgreening> SO that would need to be fixed in my Qt build.
[22:05] <rgreening> Riddell: thoughts?
[22:06] <Riddell> yes I agree
[22:06] <seele> rgreening: http://wm161.net/2009/02/19/kpackagekit-040-released/
[22:06] <seele> rgreening: you know about kpackagekit 0.4.0?
[22:06] <Riddell> that was a very good bottle of champaign
[22:06] <rgreening> seele: yes
[22:07] <seele> rgreening: ok good
[22:07] <rgreening> seele: Tonio_ said he would look at the build tomorrow.
[22:08] <seele> rgreening: ok. don't want to repeat any work
[22:09] <rgreening> nope
[22:09] <rgreening> Riddell: this line in Qt rules... SHLIBSVERSION := 4.5.0
[22:12] <rgreening> Riddell: I'm lost ... no more champain. less drinky more helpy .. hee hee
[22:12] <rgreening> :P
[22:12] <Riddell> I end up with package which e.g. Depend on libqtcore4 (= 4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1~ppa9)
[22:13] <Riddell> building now with the 4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1, we'll see what comes out
[22:13] <rgreening> Riddell: what did you change
[22:13] <rgreening> that SHLIBS line
[22:17] <Riddell> didn't change anything, it's still  SHLIBSVERSION := 4.5.0
[22:17] <Riddell> just changed to the changelog you e-mailed me
[22:20] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... when I build kdebase-workspace against it, it says I need qt 4.5.0
[22:20] <rgreening> do I have to mod the kde build?
[22:21] <NCommander> so kdebindings committed suidice ...
[22:21] <NCommander> Nice.
[22:24] <Riddell> rgreening: ah, hrm, interesting
[22:24] <ScottK> NCommander: How so?
[22:25] <NCommander> ScottK, it doesn't like the new python
[22:25] <ScottK> Ah.  Not suprising.
[22:26] <ScottK> At least you can test build that locally.
[22:32] <Riddell> I would have thought that python updates would happen along with other toolchain type bits
[22:34] <shtylman> rgreening: any luck over there?
[22:37] <Riddell> rgreening: I confirm, trying now with SHLIBSVERSION := 4.5.0~+rc1
[22:38] <ScottK> Riddell: One would think.  But the last time doko broke half the Python world it was after the last Alpha, so this is progress.
[22:38] <ScottK> NCommander: Where does PY_MAJOR_VERSION get set?
[22:39] <NCommander> Build system I think
[22:39] <ScottK> Found it
[22:39] <ScottK> sprintf( python_dll_name, python_dll_name_format, PY_MAJOR_VERSION, PY_MINOR_VERSION );
[22:40] <ScottK> NCommander: So I think it doesn't like what that has to say.
[22:41] <NCommander> Oh, thats probably being defined by pthon
[22:41] <ScottK> Wanna go bug doko?
[22:42] <NCommander> not really.
[22:49] <kuaera> I am having problems with the new network manager and was informed to come here.
[22:50] <kuaera> Attempting to load the KDE desktop from KDM causes it to freeze after the Internet icon, and I cannot access encrypted wireless networks.
[22:53] <kuaera> I am running Jaunty on an IBM Thinkpad T42, if that helps any.
[23:04] <shtylman> if a package is UNRELEASED, can I still upload it to my ppa?
[23:04] <shtylman> or do I have to change rename something first?
[23:06] <Riddell> shtylman: you have to change it to jaunty or whatever version you want to compile on
[23:06] <shtylman> Riddell: is that a changelog change? or a flag I can set when building the source pagacke?
[23:06] <shtylman> *package
[23:13] <Riddell> changelog
[23:13] <shtylman> gotcha
[23:13] <Riddell> dpkg-deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (3, ret=-1): cat (data): No space left on device
[23:14] <Riddell> jings, qt is a beast
[23:14] <Riddell> kuaera: tonio is the network manager man, he's not here
[23:14] <Riddell> kuaera: try knetworkmanager as a substitute in the mean time
[23:35] <shtylman> if a debuild is building multiple deb files, can I specify only a particular one for it to rebuild?
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> nope, debuild builds the entire source package at once and then splits up the installed files to their packages
[23:40] <shtylman> thanks...I just really hate rebuilding ubiquity...damn template generation takes forever... :(
[23:43] <ghostcube> hmm anyone knows this ppa ?
[23:43] <ghostcube>  http://ppa.launchpad.net/hortont/ppa/ubuntu
[23:44] <ghostcube> oO
[23:44] <shtylman> what makes it special?
[23:45] <ghostcube> hmm it has libsoup 2.25 and would be cool if anyone knews if the package is fine :)
[23:45] <ghostcube> heh
[23:46] <ghostcube> if not i must try my own :D
[23:49] <kuaera> Riddell: I read that, but I could not respond; thank you