[00:00] * ScottK-palm signs off to go hit retry. [00:00] Gotta love single threaded OS. [00:03] so how is universe affected by feature freeze? [00:05] is feature freeze in force now or tomorrow? [00:05] it depends on timezone [00:06] and it's sorta flexible in that regard [00:06] :) ok it is 19th of February here [00:09] shtylman: ping [00:12] rgreening: here [00:12] shtylman: how goes things [00:13] they goes well :) [00:13] I added auto login capability [00:13] most excellent :P [00:13] and made new partition bars and resize widget [00:13] awesome [00:13] then the oxygen guys gave me a mockup [00:13] and I am trying to change my partition bar to it [00:14] got any screenies? [00:14] je suid curious :P [00:14] http://shtylman.com/stuff/partbar/part_bars7.png [00:14] s/suid/suis [00:14] thats what I had before [00:14] http://www.file-upload.net/view-1465347/partitionbar.png.html [00:14] thats the mockup from the oxygen people [00:15] it won't be too hard to do...and I should have something in about an hour or two [00:15] nice [00:15] you are ad bomb [00:15] s/ad/da [00:15] Im a little dyslexic [00:15] ha [00:16] haha [00:17] shtylman: so how are we for feature parity now with the gtk ubiquity? [00:17] um...our timezone map matches theirs...as far as I can tell [00:17] I did that a few days ago === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [00:18] we have the autologin [00:19] shtylman: can you update this page where appropriate https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo [00:20] And are you looking at or aware of this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyUbiquityUsability [00:20] Not sure if the Gnome guys have made those changes yet... [00:21] and we have the new partition bar display and resize widget [00:22] that's great. I love how this release is coming together. [00:22] yep...im aware of what they have been doing and have been keeping up with them [00:22] the partition bar is one of the last things I think [00:22] coolness [00:23] :P [00:27] wow... 3 hrs to build qt on PPA [00:27] well, I am once again unemployed...so I guess you can expect somewhat of a comeback :) and :( at the same time [00:27] tell me about it [00:27] :( [00:27] :) [00:27] hehe [00:27] nixternal: no way [00:27] yes way [00:27] :s, I suppose [00:28] haha, need to get your mouth fixed [00:28] it's hard to smile and frown at the same time [00:28] got any prospects nixternal [00:28] nixternal bummer on being unemployed [00:28] true, so an 's' would be correct [00:28] hi nixternal!! [00:28] or going to take a breather... [00:28] that sucks [00:28] rgreening: ya, have a coupld of prospects [00:28] nixternal: excellent. gl [00:29] if i take a breather, it makes it hard going back to work [00:29] Yeah [00:29] though with the economy, prospects don't look the greatest [00:29] yeah [00:29] nixternal if you have enough money you cna be a senator from illionis ) [00:29] just bribe everyone [00:29] nixternal: lots of canonical jobs posted [00:30] ya, don't have enough [00:30] maybe something for you? [00:30] Apparently there was an add in the paper for a furniture store: "We sell more seats than the governor" [00:30] lol, ya [00:30] believe it was Harlem Furniture to be exact [00:30] wow lots of canonical jobs [00:31] I will have to look at the Canonical jobs [00:31] need to update my resume/cv [00:31] if nixternal got a canoncial job, how would he love his job more than us? [00:31] * JontheEchidna boggles [00:32] just downloaded texmaker so I can do that...thanks to whoever put that in the repos [00:32] I updated my LinkedIn profile, and 5 minutes later, litterally, my old Microsoft job called me :) [00:33] awesome :) [00:33] :-D [00:33] good money and benefits, but they do not allow you to work on anything non-microsoft [00:33] even in the open source lab? [00:33] ya, it would be the open/shared source labs [00:33] that policy has changed [00:33] and ya, they don't allow you to work on open source projects [00:34] dtchen: not from what I was told in a phone convo about 2 hours ago [00:34] and why are you hiding with some silly name alias? :p [00:34] Ha ha [00:34] interesting, i had that option [00:34] you can twork for MS cause youd be sharing our IP with them... [00:34] granted i ended up with ENORESOURES [00:34] Would you like towork int he open source labs? [00:34] :P [00:34] really? you are just better than me :p [00:34] YES ! THAT WOULD BE AWESOME I'd love to work on some open source proje... [00:34] I'm sorry you can't work on open source in the open source labs [00:35] Umm [00:35] ok [00:35] what do you do there? [00:35] Generally cut open open source projects witha knife to see the heart beating [00:35] probably some of that .Net crap and probably working with the new Red Hat conspiracy :p [00:35] They signed an agreement with no patents [00:35] How is that a conspiracy? [00:36] that was a joke :P [00:36] they did that "hey we will certify we work with you if you certify you work with us' [00:36] isn't that what it was all about? [00:36] Something like that [00:37] Usual we wil work to increase compatabilty without actually saying what will be compatible or what compatible means [00:37] ya, compatability, that was the word that escaped my mind [00:37] But it is interesting that MS said they would only agree to work with companies that respected MS patents and Red Hat said wearen't signing that and MS said ok [00:38] right, Red Hat didn't back down and made Microsoft come crawling [00:38] DaSkreech: do you blame them with the current economy? people are putting everything into virtual machines, whether Red Hat or MS and they need the income [00:38] both of them do [00:38] so they HAVE to work togehter whether or not they want to [00:38] * nixternal hates virtual machines [00:39] all of my clients that i work with use Virtual Machines and they are either Windows or Red Hat servers in thier Datacenters [00:39] not SUSE, not Ubuntu, or anything other form of Linux [00:39] so they have to work together [00:39] we had those funky vmware ones [00:39] ESX or whatever they were called [00:40] ESX [00:40] those weren't bad, but they weren't great [00:40] Xen sucks [00:40] jjesse: Yeah but RedHat Beat expectations and MS fell under them [00:40] openvz sucks [00:40] * DaSkreech likes Xen [00:40] hypervisor is n't that bad [00:40] kvm is good [00:40] from MS [00:41] but not as good as VMware [00:41] vmware with vmotion is blowing away VMWare [00:42] * neversfelde wonders if krename-3.9.2 is a dev release or stable [00:42] nixternal: Did you see the link I gave You? [00:42] DaSkreech: which one? [00:42] I have received numerous links lately [00:42] outube link about 3 days ago [00:42] youtube [00:42] neversfelde: dev release...kde4 release is not stable [00:43] nixternal: thanks [00:43] krename will be 4.0 I think when it goes stable [00:44] that makes sense, they should point on this on kde-apps.org [00:44] the last development release is: 3.9.2 [00:44] that is on the krename website [00:44] NCommander: Are we OK to try akonadi again? [00:45] wow dog just farted and left the room, wow its gross [00:46] hahahahaha, I hate it when my dogs do that [00:46] nixternal: ok, can't wait to get a KDE4 version, krename is one of the last three KDE 3 apps here :) [00:46] O_O; [00:46] nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvGfsROHGcM [00:47] jjesse-jaunty: normal behaviour, why sould they stay :D [00:50] DaSkreech: ya, I saw that one...that guy is good, and damn funny [00:51] neversfelde: is kile the other one? [00:51] Yeah :) [00:51] neversfelde: kile just got kde4'd today [00:51] kile was my last kde3 app I think...I grabbed texmaker for the time being, and it is pretty nice [00:51] closing like 6 other bugs in the process [00:51] not as featureful as kile though just yet [00:52] nixternal: no, it is k3b [00:52] JontheEchidna: yeah, I read about it, is it stable? [00:52] oh ya, forgot about k3b [00:53] I don't know, it hadn't built the last time I checked [00:53] no it isn't [00:53] I just built it, very bad [00:53] nor did I really use it in the first place [00:53] so there is soundkonverter, but I guess k3b 2.0 can take this job [00:53] it is pretty much just the shell [00:53] kmymoney :-( [00:54] kmymoney2 nor gnucash worked with my online banking [00:54] DaSkreech: I love the idea, but kmymoney never worked for my [00:54] kile has been in queue for the past 5 hours [00:54] basKet :( [00:54] s/my/me [00:54] ah yes [00:54] * neversfelde should go to bed :D [00:55] to many missing apps^^ [00:55] JontheEchidna: kile is pretty much useless right now...I think Kate has more functionality, unless I missed something [00:55] which I may have when I built trunk [00:57] oh, basket seems to be in active development? [00:57] I gave it up, when I switched to KDE4 [00:58] there is a kde4 version in svn iirc [00:58] last commit on 01/25/09 [01:03] konversation-kde4 commits have been vigorous [01:04] there are many quassel fans, konvi has to hurry :) [01:05] already it's quite good [01:05] just a few things missing like a blinking taskbar icon, and I can't seem to get logging to work [01:06] JontheEchidna: do you have a package somewhere? [01:06] nope [01:06] rgreening might [01:07] konvi.. yep. needs updating though. [01:07] nixternal: have you played at all with the docs for jaunty? [01:07] maybe tomorrow or later tonight [01:07] jjesse-jaunty: not yet...planning on getting into it soon, like within the next day or so now that I have nothing else to look forward to :) [01:07] rgreening: I think konvi should have no trouble making it back in jaunty+1, don't you agree? [01:07] nixternal: i understand, i've not worked as much on it as i have either [01:08] totally [01:09] I do not think, that it is a good idea to switch default apps often [01:11] not switch.. but it will be back in [01:11] oh cool, tooltips are back [01:12] * JontheEchidna recompiles [01:13] konvi is out of jaunty? [01:13] nope, there it is :) [01:13] maybe "make it back" wasn't the best wording [01:14] hehe, maybe I did not understand [01:14] * neversfelde claims his teachers [01:14] long time ago [01:23] whoa, did you guys see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/AlphaBackgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntu_space_jackalope_1a.png ? [01:27] JontheEchidna: I like it [01:27] s/like/love [01:27] JontheEchidna: a blue Wolpertinger [01:27] +1 [01:27] it maintains upstream identity by including elements of the Air wallpaper, yet gives it a unique kubuntu twist [01:28] it also has a fedora feel to it [01:28] the only issue I can forsee is that it doesn't look all that good on non-widescreen monitors since the jackalope gets cut off [01:28] why does my compositing suck on resume from sleep? [01:29] i am very much temped to use compiz [01:30] vorian: I had the same probs with kwin's effects [01:31] neversfelde: what video card? [01:31] you can turn off checking, if you're machine is able to handle effects [01:31] oh, it's able to :) [01:31] vorian: oh, don't ask me, my eee is not here atm [01:32] disabling the checking fixed that problem for me [01:32] how is that accomplished? [01:32] * vorian has been staring at ruby all day [01:33] vorian: I have to switch to english, one moment please [01:33] :) [01:33] I should use it by default [01:36] vorian: general >> desktop >> advanced >> Disable functionalitiy check [01:37] thanks neversfelde [01:37] not for that :) [01:41] JontheEchidna: What? [01:41] ? [01:41] it maintains upstream identity by including elements of the Air wallpaper, yet gives it a unique kubuntu twist [01:42] yeah, it has the Air bubbles and the jackalope [01:42] What does? [01:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/AlphaBackgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntu_space_jackalope_1a.png [01:45] JontheEchidna: if you need some testing for that wallpaper, call me. Have to sleep now. n8 everyone [01:46] sleep tight [01:49] the jackalope should be facing in, that's weird that it is looking out [01:52] a.insert('flying saucer', 'jackalope') [02:09] jackalopes are wide ranging. [02:09] Can we please not have a jackalope? [02:14] hey, at least someone put up a Kubuntu wallpaper :) [02:15] yus! [02:18] I would like to see someone make that oxygen usplash a reality [02:18] that thing looks pretty pimp [02:19] I would like to use the kubuntu themed kickoff button as a default [02:22] JontheEchidna: You didn't happen to save that akonadi/sparc build log, did you? [03:07] ScottK: nope, just viewed it in ark [03:07] JontheEchidna: The 2nd try just worked, so no problem. [03:07] So we're back in business on sparc. [03:07] Great. [03:07] * JontheEchidna will enter bugfix mode tomorrow [03:08] It looks like right now we've got a good potential to get KDE fully built on all archs this cycle. [03:08] \o/ [03:10] * JontheEchidna out [03:14] Good night [03:38] Stupid --without-arts [03:39] We should just add it to kde.mk. [03:42] rgreening: ping [03:42] nixternal: re: kmymoney2: have you tried the latest devel code? kmm2 needs to be compiled with ofx support, debian/ubuntu build it without :( [03:42] well damn..didn't even see him leave [03:42] * claydoh has it in his ppa [03:52] is the new KMenu supposed to allow more-than-2-levels-deep menu items? [03:52] * ScottK looks at seele [03:52] i thought it was only supposed to go Applications -> Category -> The Program [03:53] It's certainly not for games [03:53] Bluefish is showing up in Applications -> Development -> Web Development -> Bluefish, and I didn't think it was supposed to [03:53] I think that's a function of the Bluefish .desktop and not the particular DE. [03:53] seele is why i asked in here intead of in normal #kubuntu :P [03:54] that's what i thought, but GNOME's putting it in Applications -> Programming -> Bluefish [03:54] i just switched to check (which reminds me, can i use this xnest thing to let me compare GNOME v. KDE bug reproducibility?) [03:54] There may be different .desktop for Gnome and KDE too. [03:55] * ScottK is looking [03:55] oh [03:55] 1 fish, 2 fish, red fish, blue fish! [03:55] well the .desktop as edited by debian/patches/91_.....patch says GNOME;GTK;Development;WebDevelopment; [03:55] that's the one in /usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop [03:55] nixternal: hi rich [03:55] howdy maco [03:56] nixternal: i've got a copy of ubuntu book 3rd ed sititng here. i was loling at you searching "how to fix microsoft windows" and finding linux as the solution [03:56] (i'm reading the kubuntu chapter) [03:57] What it says is Categories=GTK;GNOME;Application;Development;WebDevelopment; [03:57] read the edubuntu chapter, it is the best :P [03:57] yeah that [03:58] ScottK: well the .patch gets rid of "Application" from that list [03:58] i think [03:58] * ScottK didn't look at the patches [03:58] * ScottK looks [03:59] ScottK: look at 91_ not 01_ [03:59] 01_ doesn't edit the Categories= [03:59] nixternal: i'm hoping it'll tell me how to use this thing. and in cases where it tells me wrong, i'm writing it down to complain :P [04:00] ya, the kubuntu chapter was a 4.0 chapter... jjesse-jaunty has a lot of work ahead of him on that one :) [04:00] wow alliteration [04:01] You are reading the patch correctly. [04:01] maco: If you look in 00list you'll see 01 isn't currently used. [04:02] oh ok [04:02] hmm then again [04:02] jjesse: I'm still here for proof reading [04:03] >< ok no, /usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop v. bluefish-project.desktop is not the discrepancy. -project.desktop has no Categories= line at all [04:05] * ScottK really doesn't know much about this .desktop stuff. There's a fdo spec somehere. [04:05] KDE 3 don't follow the spec and that's accepted. As usualy the fdo spec is mostly a Gnome spec that KDE eventually got stuck with. [04:05] rgreening: new partition bar stuff is up [04:06] Retroactively declaring KDE3 broken is kind of unfair. [04:06] haha [04:06] I thought that KDE supplied the .desktop spec [04:07] well i do recall seele mentioning the 2-layers-deep thing in one of her write-ups [04:17] ScottK: thx for uploading [04:17] a|wen_: You're welcome. [04:17] a|wen_: You're the arts removal dude, right? [04:18] ScottK: jup ... i'm just updating my jaunty chroot to check what is missing [04:18] ScottK: btw; we need binary package removal of kile-i18n-* ? [04:19] a|wen_: It should just go NBS. You don't need a bug for that. [04:19] a|wen_: See my latest comments on the arts wikipage. I'm fixing. [04:21] ScottK: which one are you fixing? (can't find the change) [04:21] cdbs [04:22] Helps if I save it [04:22] oh, there it was; cool [04:23] ScottK: do we know how koffice2 or k3b is shaping up? [04:27] cool, one of the upstream kile developers answering kile bugs in LP :) [04:28] maco: there is no restriction [04:28] afaik [04:28] i dont touch kickoff [04:28] kickoff? [04:28] that's what it is called [04:28] oh [04:29] did they old kmenu have that restriction? [04:29] no it didn't [04:29] it did the same thing with bluefish and kdevelop [04:29] oh. ok. [04:29] definitely an annoyance [04:30] * maco goes to hunt down seele's Start Menu v. KMenu v. GNOME Menu thingy... [04:31] ScottK: the kadu sync request is ack'ed, so k3b and koffice is the only thing left with arts from what i know [04:32] found. " The KMenu only consists of one menu which is at [04:32] most two levels deep, where the Applications menu contains three meta menus which are at most [04:32] two levels deep. [04:32] >< pasting from PDFs = aaahh! [04:32] that was from www.obso1337.org/hci/papers/Study_of_Desktop_Start_Menu_System_Usability.pdf [04:33] seele: see? i do read what you write [04:50] OK, so CDBS uploaded. We'll see shortly if I broke Gnome and KDE. [05:01] maco: that's from 3+ years ago isnt it? [05:02] oh wow [05:02] didnt you post it on your blog more recently? [05:02] like, recently enough that it was after i met you? [05:03] maco: i dunno.. maybe someone else referenced it? [05:03] my work with the start menu was a long time ago.. like 2005-2006 [05:04] yeah it says august 2006 [05:59] Collosol failure on the qt4 build Riddell. I buggered something up. Gotta redo it. [06:46] of the people using jaunty (as in, not ScottK), have any of you seen cases where kbd focus gets "stuck" in one text box for about a minute, the kwin rushes through all 4 desktops over and over for about a minute (flashing by very fast), then that stops and everything goes back to normal? [07:00] also, when the kbd focus *does* come back, it spits the number 1 out over and over and over until i press the Any Key [07:21] ScottK, kdebindings built successfully on HPPA. Patch committed to Bazaar. ENEEDSPONSORING === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [11:30] * Riddell starts on qt 4.5 [11:36] Riddell: There is something odd going on in doc path generation that I haven't been able to figure out. If you look at the konq-plugins FTBFS on i386 there is a KDE4 example. If you try to rebuild koffice you can have a KDE3 example. Would you please have a look? [11:49] * Riddell looks [12:05] ScottK: konq-plugins bulids here, but I've no idea why it should put its docs in usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/doc/ instead of usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konq-plugins [12:43] ScottK, or Riddell ping? [12:46] NCommander: pong [12:46] Riddell, care to sponsor kdebindings from Bazaar, it fixes HPPA. [12:48] NCommander: care to convince https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano/2.1.64+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/874157 and https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/874164 to build? [12:48] * NCommander takes a look at the queues [12:48] Eh, we're past FF at this point [12:48] Guess it doesn't matter if the buildds haven't drained [12:50] KTorrent seems to be in pretty good shape going in to FF, only 8 bugs now. :] [12:51] JontheEchidna: so long as its not declaired illegal in Sweden [12:51] Oh! kdebindings! [12:51] Riddell: bug 330079 [12:51] Launchpad bug 330079 in kdebindings "[jaunty] libsmokeqt4-2-dev conflicts with libsmokeqt-dev but doesn't have proper dependencies" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330079 [12:51] If we're uploading a new kdebindings we might as well get that fixed [12:54] JontheEchidna: done [12:55] * JontheEchidna now goes to fix all the bugs he'd been meaning to fix after FF [12:56] Riddell, rescored [13:00] Riddell, can you sponsor a quick fix for me? [13:02] NCommander: I could [13:02] kdebindings uploaded [13:02] Thanks [13:02] * NCommander is just waiting for the test build on ARMel to finish [13:03] Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/120114/ [13:09] damn it [13:09] -_-; [13:11] NCommander: uploaded [13:11] Riddell, thank you [13:11] ScottK, ping [13:11] NCommander: Pong [13:11] ScottK, kdebindings didn't get dispatched to HPPA. Is there a p-a-s line still for it? [13:12] NCommander: No. [13:12] NCommander: You can see the last upload got tried there. [13:13] now I'm just WTFing ... [13:13] Unless someone added one between now and then [13:14] NCommander: I looked at pas yesterday or the day before and there wasn't. [13:14] Ok [13:14] build admins pinged [13:34] Riddell, uh ... [13:34] Riddell, you did see my patch for libdc1394, right ...? [13:34] * NCommander sees the no changes rebuild, which wasn't 100% in fixing this >.<; [13:36] that's the one you asked for to do yesterday, your patch today is uploaded as libdc1394_1.1.0-5ubuntu3 [13:36] oh [13:36] ok [13:36] I'm just loosing my mind [13:36] I'm sorry :-/ [13:37] * NCommander didn't see it get uploaded === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Development | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [13:49] Riddell: ping [13:49] hi rgreening [13:49] so, my qt4 update failed. not sure what chanfge broke it [13:49] and it takes like 3 hours to build each time [13:50] it's a beast isn't it [13:50] rgreening: I've got a compile going here so I'll see what happens [13:50] yes. [13:50] I think your last build failed because you disabled 18_enable_qt3support_qtwebkit_debug_info.diff [13:50] yep. I just re-uploaded [13:50] or will in a sec I mean [13:51] I had like 4 hrs sleep [13:51] lol [13:51] rgreening: you think one of the patches causes the problem with kdm? [13:52] I think so. 0180 or 30 I think [13:52] but if kdm has a fix in trunk, we can just use that [13:52] or 41 [13:53] Riddell: I never had the problem earlier using this same RC1 build, before I did the refresh to fabo's debian build. [13:53] in the refresh, a couple of patches were updated. 41 being the most likely candidate [13:53] 41 should be fine to disable, it's for alpha and we don't do alpha [13:54] Now, I am also using amd64 and other updates on my system. so it could be broken for other reasons. [13:54] Riddell: maybe we could get someone else to try the ~ppa8 build (on x86) [13:54] or try it via a live cd [13:56]