[00:00] <jonatas> ok man
[00:04] <emiliano> Hola.
[00:04] <emiliano> Hay alguien?
[00:07] <DaSkreech> !es
[00:11]  * Secutor is back.
[00:12] <Bernier> Hi, my wireless connection is working but only for like 5 min after it freezes, after that even if I disconnect/reconnect there is absolutely no way to reconnect back. Anyone know about this?
[00:18] <badpc> how do you play an audio cd in kubuntu?
[00:19] <DaSkreech> Amarok
[00:19] <ubuntu_> hola?
[00:19] <ubuntu_> quien anda ahi?
[00:19] <mneptok> !es > ubuntu_
[00:19] <badpc> should it start automaticly?
[00:20] <mefisto__> badpc: yes, amarok should play it automatically by default
[00:21] <badpc> mefisto__: hmmmm
[00:21] <ubuntu_> did you know anything about the facebook in ubuntu?
[00:22] <ubuntu_> don play the "email" checkbox
[00:22] <mefisto__> not playing badpc?
[00:23] <badpc> mefisto__: no its not
[00:23] <mefisto__> badpc: do you have any other players installed? kaffeine, mplayer, etc?
[00:23] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Facebook works in ubuntu
[00:23] <ubuntu_> i dont know why not wite the email
[00:23] <badpc> mefisto__: no
[00:24] <cocaine> hi @all
[00:25] <badpc> mefisto__:  looks cool though!
[00:25] <badpc> lol
[00:28] <mefisto__> badpc: did anything happen when you put the cd in? did it get detected? did amarok open?
[00:30] <JuJuBee> Is it possible to install kubuntu on a headless box?
[00:30] <badpc> mefisto__:  no it did notjing
[00:31] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: Why wouldn't it be?
[00:31] <JuJuBee> How?  I would need to ssh to it first, right?
[00:32] <DaSkreech> Yes
[00:32] <JuJuBee> How would I know its IP?
[00:32] <mefisto__> badpc: in konqueror or dolphin, put this in the location bar    audiocd:/
[00:32] <DaSkreech> That's your issue. If you make a box headless you should know stuff like that
[00:32] <Jwyanze> i am a noob to kubuntu and i want to know if linux OS get viruses and if so can i have an antivirus
[00:32] <DaSkreech> !virus
[00:33] <JuJuBee> DaSkreech : didn't make it headless, it is a rack mount server in my classroom at college.  Don't have extra monitor handy and ones for desktops are locked to table.  Want to flatten and install linux.
[00:34] <DaSkreech> What's the point of KDE on it if it's headless?
[00:34] <mefisto__> Jwyanze: you could possibly get a virus sent to you in email, that you may inadvertently pass on to someone else if you forward it. so you might want antivirus for that reason
[00:34] <JuJuBee> Good point.  Touche, Score 1 pt for DaSkreech... :)
[00:34] <JuJuBee> Guess LAMP is what I really want/
[00:34] <JuJuBee> But still....
[00:35] <Socceroos> JuJuBee: a good way to find out the IP address of the rack server is to use NMAP.
[00:35] <badpc> mefisto__: ok now what
[00:35] <Socceroos> sudo apt-get install nmap
[00:35] <badpc> mefisto__:  it shows the cd
[00:35] <drostie> There have also been Linux exploits; just not viral. Linux servers, in particular, have a bad history of getting hacked.  Usually it's because someone fails to update software regularly -- especially on servers.
[00:35] <JuJuBee> Oh, Right, forgot nmap.  So, then ssh to box and how to run the text based installer?
[00:36] <Socceroos> then run: nmap -sP -vvv ip.ip.ip.ip-ip
[00:36] <Socceroos> JuJuBee, what OS is the server running?
[00:37] <JuJuBee> Hmmm... think win server 2003
[00:37] <JuJuBee> Wanna wipe it.
[00:37] <Socceroos> ah
[00:38] <mefisto__> drostie: fail to update intentionally? to avoid dealing with config changes or something? or just neglect/laziness?
[00:38] <Socceroos> Well, whatever distro you put on it, you can just install KDE from the command line using the appropriate package manager. For Debian/Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kde      For RPM distros: sudo yum install kde
[00:40] <drostie> As I understood it, it was neglect and/or obliviousness. For example, that SSH vulnerability at the beginning of 2008? Made it into the Ubuntu Server 8.04, which was LTS, so of course that was installed in the popular VPS software.
[00:40] <drostie> The upgrade is not installed by default via sudo apt-get upgrade because ssh clients get cranky when you change fingerprints.
[00:40] <Jwyanze> mefisto__ is there an alternative for windows media center on linux?
[00:41] <mefisto__> Jwyanze: you're probably not asking the right person, but I think the answer is yes
[00:41] <DaSkreech> Socceroos: There is no point to that in  a headless environement
[00:41] <DaSkreech> Jwyanze: Quite a few
[00:42] <Socceroos> DaSkreech: true. but if he still wants to install it then he can. Windows 2003 is even more useless on a headless environment.
[00:42] <badpc> Jwyanze: try myth tv or xmbc
[00:42] <k0pp> i've got a matrox graphics card and my onboard card, but when i try to boot up my kubuntu machine using the matrox card, i get to the "kubuntu splash screen"(with the progress bar while booting up), it'll get about 1/5 of the way into it, and freeze.  but when i boot with my onboard card it boots up just fine.  any advice on what to do?
[00:43] <DaSkreech> Socceroos: tell me about it
[00:43] <DaSkreech> Jwyanze: Or Elisa
[00:43] <mefisto__> is windows media center what it sounds like? like mythtv ?
[00:43] <mefisto__> ok
[00:44] <badpc> yeah myth tv is pretty cool pictures videos music amd tv all in one place
[00:44] <Socceroos> DaSkreech: I've found a way to get rid of my companies Microsoft addiction and move the whole office to KDE 4.2 and still run our windows only apps seamlessly: seamlessRDP - if only i'd known about it earlier!
[00:44] <JuJuBee> I know how to install software via an ssh connection to a box (headless or not).  I need to know how to install linux from scratch on a headless machine.
[00:45] <DaSkreech> !find elisa
[00:45] <DaSkreech> !info elisa
[00:45] <DaSkreech> Jwyanze: ^^^
[00:45] <badpc> mefisto__: my cd showed up when i typed audiocd:/
[00:45] <drostie> k0pp: can you start it up with the Live CD and the Matrox card both in the box?
[00:45] <Jwyanze> thanks
[00:45] <DaSkreech> badpc: That's to rip the audio
[00:45] <Socceroos> JuJuBee, to install linux from scratch on a headless machine seems pretty impossible. Unless you create some really custom Floppies that do the groundwork for you.
[00:45] <k0pp> drostie, no that fails too
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Not really you can do an unattended install
[00:46] <drostie> k0pp: blech. What Matrox card, exactly?
[00:46] <k0pp> drostie, on the card itself, i just found a little switch (phisically on the card) to "enable" vga, it was switched off, would switching i ton do anything do you think?
[00:46] <JuJuBee> Can you point me towards some reading?
[00:46] <Socceroos> DaSkreech: which Distro will do that for you?
[00:47] <k0pp> drostie, matrox millenium pci, thats all the information i've found on it.
[00:47] <DaSkreech> most
[00:47] <drostie> k0pp: no, but there appears to be exactly 0 cost of trying, so you might as well try it. ^_^
[00:47] <badpc> DarkriftX: so how do i get amrock to play it?
[00:47] <k0pp> lol
[00:47] <k0pp> thanks drostie i'll give it a try real quick.
[00:48] <Socceroos> JuJuBee: google 'unattended install linux'
[00:48] <Socceroos> without the quotes
[00:49] <badpc> DaSkreech: so how do i get amarok to play my cd?
[00:49] <DaSkreech> It doesn't play it now? what happens when you click on play CD in the menu
[00:49] <Until_It_Sleeps> How do I get a new installation of Kubuntu to connect to my wireless network?
[00:49] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: Intrepid or Jaunty?
[00:50] <Until_It_Sleeps> um......
[00:50] <Until_It_Sleeps> I have no idea...
[00:50] <badpc> wow
[00:50] <Until_It_Sleeps> It was installed through a LinuxMCE dvd
[00:51] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[00:51] <DaSkreech> 7.04
[00:51] <drostie> Okay. Is there a little gray globe-looking icon in the lower right hand corner, in the system tray?
[00:52] <Until_It_Sleeps> nope
[00:52] <drostie> Okay. Press Alt-F2 and type in [konsole] (without square brackets) to open a text terminal.
[00:52] <badpc> DaSkreech: dont have that option has play media folder?
[00:53] <Until_It_Sleeps> k
[00:53] <drostie> then type in [pgrep NetworkManager] and see if it spits out a number.
[00:53] <Until_It_Sleeps> nothing
[00:54] <DaSkreech> badpc: Hmm hold on
[00:54] <Kapiszon> I need small help
[00:54] <drostie> Okay. Then type in [sudo NetworkManager] , and provide your password to start it running.
[00:55] <JuJuBee> Might be easier to find a monitor... :)  Do I need Alternate cd for text installer or will server supply that option as well?
[00:55] <mefisto__> badpc: well the cd is seen by kubuntu. try playing it in amarok from the menu. I think it's something like "open audio CD"
[00:55] <drostie> Then press Alt-F2 again and type [knetworkmanager] to start the K Network Manager.
[00:55] <Until_It_Sleeps> O_o "command not found"
[00:55] <DaSkreech> badpc: engage -> Play Audio CD ?
[00:55] <GWild> Hello.  I was going to use the HOWTO on the community site to update by ATI video drivers.  I'm running Kub 8.10 and the TUTE only lists instructions up to 7.10.  Can I still use this HOWTO?
[00:55] <Kapiszon> I am really begginer with kubuntu pls help me with compile and ue this program it call. dsniff and patch is for this program gg sniff
[00:56] <Until_It_Sleeps> :'(
[00:56] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: still there?
[00:57] <badpc> mefisto__: thats what im saying there is no cd in amarock
[00:57] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: Can you type, e.g. [aptitude show network-manager] and get something meaningful out?
[00:57] <maco> GWild: ati drivers are available in jocky
[00:57] <Kapiszon> pls could someone hlp me with that?
[00:57] <Until_It_Sleeps> State: not installed
[00:58] <mefisto__> badpc: Engage menu, Play audio CD
[00:58] <drostie> Good! That means aptitude exists. ^_^
[00:58] <psyco> just wondering, will compiz run faster than kwin (kde 4.2)?
[00:58] <Until_It_Sleeps> I also attempted to type in knetworkmanager in the terminal, and it says that it is not installed
[00:58] <mefisto__> badpc: or do you have amarok 2 installed?
[00:58] <drostie> Are you accessing this from a wired connection from the kubuntu PC, right now?
[00:58] <GWild> maco: This is my first Kub install (me = kub noob) - what is jocky?
[00:58] <Until_It_Sleeps> No, wired Ubuntu laptop
[00:58] <maco> GWild: type "jocky" into the searchy thingy in the kmenu and it'll find it
[00:58] <austin> Hey guys, gPodder can't find my ipod...waddui do
[00:58] <maco> it'll say Hardware Drivers, i think
[00:59] <mefisto__> jockey
[00:59] <badpc> mefisto__:  amorock 2
[00:59] <Until_It_Sleeps> and the cable isn't quite long enough to reach my PC. 9_9
[00:59] <maco> oh there's an e
[00:59] <Kapiszon> Laptop with Kubuntu aMD 64 8,1
[00:59] <mefisto__> badpc: oh. I'm trying to find how to open a cd myself now in amarok 2 :)
[01:00] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: okay, well, my first question about the pc is just what version it's running, that it doesn't have NetworkManager and knetworkmanager installed. call it personal curiosity.
[01:00] <badpc> mefisto__: kk
[01:00] <GWild> maco: got it thx
[01:00] <GWild> mefisto__: thx
[01:00] <drostie> Can you [nano /etc/apt/sources.list] and tell me what the distribution keyword is?
[01:00] <austin> anyone?
[01:01] <Kapiszon> badpc: could you help me with that?
[01:01] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: (Entries will be listed as [deb (URL) (magicword) (repository lists, multiple words)]
[01:01] <Kapiszon> what I was asking before?
[01:01] <Kapiszon> Or someone else.
[01:01] <GWild> maco: no propietary drivers are on the system - I don't know what that means.
[01:01] <austin> no one then?
[01:01] <mefisto__> badpc: apparently amarok 2 doesn't play CDs because the devs thought it wasn't important! http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php?topic=16225.0
[01:02] <maco> GWild: is that system online?
[01:02] <GWild> maco: Yes
[01:02] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: Now what?
[01:02] <badpc> mefisto__: lol thought thats what it was used for?
[01:02] <Kapiszon> GWild could you help me?
[01:02] <maco> GWild: and its not offering to get them?
[01:03] <GWild> maco: correct'
[01:03] <maco> GWild: *grumble* try installing xserver-xorg-video-fglrx
[01:03] <GWild> Kapiszon: what is your issue?
[01:03] <badpc> Kapiszon: what did you need help with?
[01:03] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: erm, tell me the (magicword) part of those lines? Like I said, personal curiosity.
[01:03] <Until_It_Sleeps> alot of them do have the word "gutsy" in them btw
[01:03] <austin> ok, well anyone know a good audio recorder/mixer for kubuntu?
[01:03] <mefisto__> badpc: I think I might go back to the old amarok. I don't like the interface or the look of the new one
[01:03] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: exactly what I wanted to know. ^_^
[01:03] <Until_It_Sleeps> heh, ^_^
[01:04] <badpc> mefisto__: cool thanks allot
[01:04] <Kapiszon> I need to compile and patch program and I dont know really how to do it. I unpack it. second i use commend ./configue and I do not know what next.
[01:04] <mefisto__> badpc: anyway, you could install kaffeine. I'm sure that still plays CDs
[01:04] <Kapiszon> from terminal as root
[01:04] <badpc> mefisto__: awsome
[01:05] <GWild> maco: ADEPT search returns no hits on that (using cut/paste)
[01:05] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: Okay. Gutsy is a bit old, but it can do for the next steps. *however*, an upgrade requires internet access, methinks. An alternative is to download a new live cd of Intrepid or Jaunty from kubuntu.org, and then to burn it to a CD and reinstall fresh from that.
[01:05] <maco> GWild: try it this way: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-fglrx
[01:05] <Until_It_Sleeps> Would using a flash drive to transfer files work too?
[01:05] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: You *might*, however, be able to install network-manager and network-manager-kde from the install CD.
[01:06] <Kapiszon> now I logged as root again
[01:06] <drostie> depends. Hey, other people in the chat room: how would you download a .deb for gutsy direct from a repository to a flash drive?
[01:06] <GWild> maco: hmm - 'could not find package'
[01:07] <GWild> Kapiszon: That's not really sufficient information to be able to help...
[01:07] <drostie> actually, that's probably not so useful, if you're missing dependencies.. hm..
[01:08] <maco> GWild: bah it changed names. xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:08] <GWild> maco: d/ling now
[01:09] <austin> hey guys how do i set my mic?
[01:09] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: Try this: put the install CD in the CD drive, then just type [sudo apt-get install network-manager], and see if it detects the package on the cdrom.
[01:09] <austin> anyone know?
[01:10] <Kapiszon> GWild: I will tell you what I done. I use command tar -zxvf dsniff-2.3.tar.gz and I use the same command for ggsniff-1.2.tar.gz
[01:11] <Until_It_Sleeps> O_O :D
[01:11] <Until_It_Sleeps> Now what?
[01:11] <drostie> Is that a good O_O :D or a bad O_O :D
[01:11] <drostie> ?
[01:11] <Until_It_Sleeps> A good one.. :D
[01:12] <mefisto__> drostie: you could download a deb direct from http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:12] <drostie> okay. let me look up the package name for gutsy's knetworkmanager.
[01:13] <mefisto__> drostie: and get the depends while you're there too
[01:13] <maco> drostie: that's it
[01:13] <maco> i think...
[01:13] <maco> or network-manager-kde
[01:13] <Until_It_Sleeps> I attempted to do "sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager", and it reffered me to exactly that
[01:13] <malganis85> does enyone know how i instal visual basic using wine?
[01:13] <StR|Sangreal> hello
[01:13] <jym> not really
[01:13] <jym> malganis
[01:14] <StR|Sangreal> pls i am looking for the best total commander substitute... some advice?
[01:14] <Kapiszon> root@gabriel-laptop:/home/gabriel/Pulpit/dsniff-2.3#  patch -p1 <../ggsniff-1.2/ggsniff-1.2-dsniff-2.3-patch
[01:14] <Kapiszon> The next patch would create the file ChangeLog.ggsniff,
[01:14] <Kapiszon> which already exists!  Assume -R? [n] y
[01:14] <Kapiszon> patching file ChangeLog.ggsniff
[01:14] <DaSkreech> !visualbasic
[01:14] <Kapiszon> patching file msgsnarf.8
[01:14] <Kapiszon> patching file msgsnarf.c
[01:14] <Kapiszon> root@gabriel-laptop:/home/gabriel/Pulpit/dsniff-2.3#
[01:14] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: good. I think in newer versions it's going to start being network-manager-kde consistently.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> !find basic
[01:14] <drostie> Kapiszon: please use paste.ubuntu.com for that sort of stuff. ^_^
[01:14] <Kapiszon> GWild this is command from console
[01:15] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: Now installed. :)
[01:15] <StR|Sangreal> !flood | Kapiszon
[01:15] <StR|Sangreal> pls someone to advise me an equivalent for total commander?
[01:15] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: [sudo NetworkManager], then [knetworkmanager]. (the latter can go in either the Alt-F2 or the konsole, but it goes better in Alt-F2. It has a lot of text output that you don't necessarily want to see.)
[01:16] <GWild> maco: the module built successfully.
[01:16] <drostie> Does the gray globe appear in your system tray now?
[01:16] <majax> salut
[01:17] <Kapiszon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/119881/
[01:17] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: There is now a grey thing in my system tray
[01:17] <Xenos> Uh oh
[01:18] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: right click it. Does it list "wlan0" as an accepted interface?
[01:18] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: (should be the first several lines -- eth0, wlan0)
[01:19] <drostie> it may have been overhauled between Gutsy and Intrepid; I don't know.
[01:19] <jesus_> hola
[01:19] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: there is no active device
[01:21] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: I'm not sure exactly what that means. Is there a "New Connection" prompt that lets you connect to wlan0? If not, then you don't have the wireless drivers for your laptop installed yet.
[01:22] <Kapiszon> GWild how to use make install?
[01:22] <Kapiszon> I nedd to install this soiftware in system how to do it next?
[01:23] <zer0o> hi guys, ive noticed that doin a search with skype (same parameters) come up with different results when on kubuntu or windows, basically on win it finds hundreds ppl according to the search u've done, on kubuntu it only finds a small amount of ppl and if u look for "girls" in general, only hookers... and thatz really annoying... have u noticed the same? is there something we could do to prevent "naughty results" on our searches?
[01:23] <mcrandello> join #kde
[01:23] <mcrandello> well crap
[01:23] <mcrandello> nm me
[01:24] <psyco> just wondering, will compiz run faster than kwin (kde 4.2)?
[01:26] <Kapiszon> I am really begginer with lnx pls tel me how to install program xD
[01:26] <Kapiszon> It is just to upack it?
[01:27] <mefisto__> psyco: for me, kwin is much faster (on a very humble ati X1250 onboard video)
[01:27] <mefisto__> psyco: but others say it's slow
[01:27] <DaSkreech> Kapiszon: Which program?
[01:28] <drostie> Kapiszon: the normal way, and the best, is to look the program up, either in a konsole or in an installer like Adept.
[01:28] <Kapiszon> I need exactly need msgsnarf
[01:28] <psyco> I have a radeon 9600 XD 4.1 was really slow but 4.2 is better, i have to disable desktop effects though
[01:28] <Kapiszon> It is part of dsniff
[01:28] <psyco> i guess compiz is worth a shot
[01:29] <DaSkreech> !info dsniff
[01:29] <DaSkreech> Kapiszon: sudo apt-get install dsniff
[01:29] <GWild> I need serious help - I just installed the xorg-driver-fglrx on my Kub 8.10 system and now the X server will not load. Any suggestions as to how I can regain use of the system via the command line?
[01:29] <Kapiszon> ok :)
[01:30] <drostie> GWild: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx?
[01:30] <GWild> drostie: I'll try that
[01:30] <Kapiszon> Ok I use it^^
[01:31] <Kapiszon> Wha next if I want to patch ggsniff for this?
[01:31] <mefisto__> GWild: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove the line          Driver   "fglrx"
[01:32] <Kapiszon> I need to apply ggsniff as patch for dsniff
[01:32] <DaSkreech> What's ggsniff?
[01:32] <drostie> wiki says: gadu-gadu, the MSN for Poland.
[01:32] <Kapiszon> Ir is patch for dsniff
[01:33] <Kapiszon> Exactly
[01:33] <GWild> drostie: that worked. Thank you. I obviously need to RTFM more as a Kub noob
[01:33] <Kapiszon> I am nearly to feel like noob with this :(
[01:33] <GWild> mefisto__: I uninstalled it - thanks. I think I'll try the howto for the proprietary and see if they work
[01:34] <mefisto__> GWild: it's a common problem
[01:34] <GWild> mefisto__: just another reason to run NVID w/ Linux
[01:34] <mefisto__> !ati | GWild
[01:34] <mefisto__> GWild: happens with nvidia too
[01:34] <GWild> ubottu: That's the tute I'll be using
[01:34] <GWild> mefisto__: Ah, didn't know that
[01:35] <GWild> bottu ahahaha - I'm such a tard
[01:35] <Kapiszon> GWild would you hlp me with patch ggsniff :))
[01:35] <Kapiszon> on dsniff?
[01:36] <guadasp> hola
[01:36] <drostie> Kapiszon: is ggsniff in particular needed? or do you just need a gadu-gadu client?
[01:37] <DaSkreech> Kapiszon: dsniff that you installed doesn't come with that?
[01:37] <guadasp> hello
[01:38] <guadasp> anybody speaks spanish?
[01:38] <drostie> Kapiszon: because if all you need is a client, you might just install [sudo apt-get install kadu]
[01:38] <Kapiszon> I do not need gg client I know what is dsniff I need only to apply paych for dsniff wich call ggsniff
[01:39] <mefisto__> !es | guadasp
[01:39] <guadasp> thanks a lot?
[01:39] <guadasp> see ya
[01:39] <Kapiszon> Ptach for dsniff is call ggsniff I I dont know how to apply thia patch
[01:40] <Kapiszon> I have really Kadu
[01:40] <Kapiszon> I know what i need
[01:42] <drostie> Kapiszon: okay. In that case. [sudo apt-get install patch] first.
[01:43] <drostie> Then figure out where dsniff was installed.
[01:43] <Kapiszon> I made that in this way
[01:43] <DaSkreech> Kapiszon: Does the dsniff that comes with ubuntu not have that patch?
[01:43] <DaSkreech>  !find ggsniff
[01:43] <Kapiszon> I like Only to read it is drug liike tv shows from brazsillia but most from live.
[01:44] <Kapiszon> Yes I downloaded ggsniff
[01:44] <Kapiszon> what's next? I have it on desktop
[01:44] <Kapiszon> I unpack it and what next?
[01:45] <drostie> Kapiszon: open it and read the file called README, it explains the rest in polski. ^_^
[01:45] <Kapiszon> ok
[01:46] <drostie> it looks like it might only work with one particular version of dsniff, which can also be downloaded on the sourceforge.net page.
[01:46] <Socceroos> Kapiszon: www.remote-exploit.org   -  download BackTrack 4.0 alpha and try that. If you're looking for a PenTest suite then that is the best.
[01:48] <drostie> That will then need to be compiled, but that's usually done by [sudo apt-get install make], go into the folder where you've untarred dsniff, then type [./configure], then [make], then [make install]
[01:52] <Luija> Hello, can someone help me to activate wifi in Kubuntu?
[01:52] <drostie> Luija: what's wrong now? ^_^
[01:53] <Luija> oh, lol, hello, let me PM u
[01:53] <Kapiszon> I want to test my frend back track will be good for tha?
[02:01] <DaSkreech> kaptengu: Yeah
[02:02] <ecosocialista> which lenguage is used to be spoken?
[02:03] <DaSkreech> !en
[02:03] <DaSkreech> ecosocialista: Which languge would you like?
[02:03] <ecosocialista> portuguese
[02:03] <ecosocialista> espanol
[02:04] <ecosocialista> whatever
[02:04] <DaSkreech> !pt
[02:04] <DaSkreech> !es
[02:04] <GWild> drostie: Are you aware of any problems with installing ATI binaries ala the community HOWTO?
[02:05] <wimpies> i run hardy.  packages for Qt4 are of version 4.3.x.  Are there packages of 4.4 or more recent or MUST i upgrade ?
[02:06] <drostie> GWild: I'm sure there are some somewhere, but I'm not personally aware of them, no. I don't have an ATi card and I haven't heard people complaining recently.
[02:06] <GWild> drostie: Ok.  Thx.
[02:07] <Luija> people, can someone help me with wifi in Kubuntu? it cant Recognize my Linksys router because i have an
[02:07] <Luija> acer aspire 4520 with Wifi Atheros AR242X/AR5007EG
[02:07] <Luija> can someone help me?
[02:07] <mefisto__> GWild: does the hardware drivers dialog in the system submenu not show anything?
[02:07] <Luija> nop
[02:08] <drostie> wimpies: if everything works, there's nothing *forcing* you to upgrade. But upgrading is generally a good idea.
[02:08] <DaSkreech> drostie: It is?
[02:08] <delirium-> how i can identify?
[02:08] <Luija> someone knows a solution to my wifi problem?
[02:09] <GWild> mefisto__: that's correct
[02:09] <wimpies> well, I have some issues with 4.3 and I think they are related to bugs.  I would want to avoid upgrading too much (not kde3-kde4 for instance) so more recented qt4 packages would be just fine for me
[02:09] <drostie> DaSkreech: do you know anybody who's still on dapper and likes it?
[02:09] <mefisto__> GWild: maybe your card is not supported?
[02:09] <Luija> exactly
[02:09] <Luija> i have atheros, thats why i need help
[02:09] <Luija> Wifi Atheros AR242X/AR5007EG
[02:10] <GWild> mefisto__: It's possible - but it's a ubiquitous card - plain old Radeon 9700
[02:10] <drostie> Luija: try this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[02:11] <Luija> thx drostie :D
[02:11] <badpc> how do you get flashplayer to work on firefox?
[02:12] <nabob> hi
[02:12] <drostie> badpc: [sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree] and hope.
[02:12] <nabob> any budy dere
[02:12] <DaSkreech> !hi
[02:13] <badpc> drostie: ty
[02:13] <nabob> do u know ny thin abt openldap
[02:13] <fidji> c'est bizarre je deconnecte avec irssi
[02:14] <drostie> !fr
[02:14] <fidji> sorry
[02:14] <fidji> ;)
[02:14] <MegaMetals> How would I set a time for the monitor to go off instead of sitting there for hours on a screen saver?
[02:14] <GWild> ca ne fait rien... :)
[02:15] <MegaMetals> nintendo wii wii ?
[02:15] <MegaMetals> :-\
[02:15] <drostie> MegaMetals: K > System Settings > Advanced > Power Management might have something useful.
[02:15] <DaSkreech> !ldap
[02:15] <MegaMetals> drostie: I don't see "power management"
[02:16] <mefisto__> GWild: says your card is supported here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware#RADEON  and here's the page on installation: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_.22the_Ubuntu_way.22
[02:16] <DaSkreech> !ldap > nabob
[02:17] <nabob> ya i know
[02:17] <nabob> is open ldap defaultly comes with kubuntu
[02:17] <drostie> MegaMetals: Are you running Intrepid or Jaunty? Are you on a PC or a Laptop? (The power savings might not be installed for PC, idk.)
[02:17] <MegaMetals> Hardy
[02:17] <MegaMetals> and PC
[02:17] <MegaMetals> (Desktop)
[02:18] <DaSkreech> nabob: If you install it
[02:18] <drostie> Hardy, k. That's KDE 3 still? I'm not familiar with where it stores power management. :-(
[02:18] <nabob> hmm
[02:18] <MegaMetals> drostie: er.. how do I know the KDE version ?
[02:19] <drostie> MegaMetals: in KDE 4, there's a hidden folder called ".kde4" in your ~ folder, for starters.
[02:20] <MegaMetals> drostie: all I see is .kde
[02:20] <GWild> mefisto__: I'll check that
[02:21] <MegaMetals> Why hasn't hardy upgraded to KDE4 ?
[02:21] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: systemsettings > Monitor & Display, power saving tab
[02:22] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: there we go.  Strange that's not turned on already like every other OS in the world
[02:23] <DaSkreech> MegaMetals: Ubuntu releases are locked to what was there when they shipped
[02:23] <MegaMetals> OK.
[02:24] <MegaMetals> Not even some "backports" would help here?
[02:24] <drostie> Also, KDE4 is still in development. KDE 4.2 was a major improve over KDE 4.1, but 4.2 is still not quite in a final state, as I would describe it.
[02:24] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: I think it depends on whether your monitor's EDID info is reachable and valid. lots of them give partial info
[02:24] <MegaMetals> EDID?
[02:25] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: extended display identification data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID
[02:26] <Elone> hi
[02:26] <delirium-> hi
[02:26] <delirium-> how i make a register?
[02:26] <delirium-> how i register my nickname
[02:26] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: Oh, I see.  The monitor is just a few years old, I would imagine it'd have that.
[02:26] <MegaMetals> msg nickserv help register
[02:26] <mefisto__> !register
[02:28] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: mine's not old either, but it gets detected as "generic LCD display" or something, and windows sees it as "plug & play monitor". neither identify it as Sony
[02:28] <MegaMetals> drostie: I wouldn't know if I'd want to upgrade to it or not anyway after installing Ubuntu at first.. Then everything lagging like a cheap cheap congress bill
[02:28] <Lummoxx_> drostie: I just updated from kde 4.1 to 4.2, and it just *feels* so much more polished than 4.1
[02:28] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: Ubuntu identified it as Dell DWPsomethingsomething , I don't know about Kubuntu
[02:29] <MegaMetals> (the monitor was correctly identified)
[02:29] <tekteen> anyone know how to change the runlevel in grub? I setup 3 to not boot X but I am having trouble booting it up
[02:29] <MegaMetals> in both Ubuntu and XP
[02:29] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: I guess my monitor is cheaper than yours :)
[02:29] <drostie> 'kay.
[02:30] <MegaMetals> I don't understand it though , I was in Ubuntu and firefox would lag when scrolling down.. Among programs in general.  Then I installed the kubuntu-desktop and KDE is running fine.
[02:34] <tekteen> anyone know how to change the runlevel in grub? I setup 3 to not boot X but I am having trouble booting it up
[02:34] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: firefox runs better in kde than gnome?
[02:35] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: yes, everything does
[02:35] <mefisto__> well that's something for kubuntu users to brag about
[02:36] <MegaMetals> Well the start is a little slower
[02:36] <MegaMetals> but the general workings is better
[02:36] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: did you install the restricted graphics driver in kde maybe?
[02:36] <MegaMetals> I'd rather wait another second for it to open then it to grab ...
[02:37] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: I already had it installed from Ubuntu
[02:37] <mefisto__> well there you go. kubuntu is just better :)
[02:37] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: I'm guessing I should have to download the Kubuntu 8.04.2 now and burn it instead of Ubuntu 8.04.2 I already burnt
[02:37] <genii> tekteen: In *buntu dists, runleveles 2,3,4 and 5 are identical.
[02:37] <tekteen> genii: I know
[02:37] <tekteen> I changed that
[02:38] <tekteen> but I do not know how to boot 3 instead of 2
[02:38] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: or 8.10, or even 9.04 which is released in april
[02:39] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: 8.10 = blow
[02:39] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: Makes my NIC just sit there and twinkle instead of getting an internal IP # and connecting
[02:39] <DaSkreech> !upstart | tekteen
[02:39] <MegaMetals> (to the home network)
[02:40] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: ahh, I think I remember your "twinkle" symptom
[02:40] <tekteen> DaSkreech: I will look into that
[02:40] <MegaMetals> Yes.  I had to give hardy those acpi work arounds to even use it.
[02:40] <MegaMetals> noapic acpi=off and nolapic
[02:40] <MegaMetals> whatever that does anyway
[02:41] <MegaMetals> I got them from Wubi that worked lol
[02:41] <genii> tekteen: " I setup 3 to not boot X but I am having trouble booting it up"     You just put a 3   at end of kernel loading line or such? X will start at run levels 2,3,4 and 5. The only ones it won't are at 1 (single user) and the useless 0 or 6 (stop/reboot)
[02:41] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: well that's probably why the power saving was not on by default
[02:42] <tekteen> genii: I knew about the runlevel stuff. But I just need to put a 3 at the end of the kernel line? thanks
[02:42] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: acpi and apic is hardware power management, and you disabled it in k/ubuntu
[02:42] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: hardy (no matter what version) would not boot to the install without them (at first no-acpi is all I needed), and then I got a new external that hung up on boot (for some reason) so I added the other two
[02:42] <MegaMetals> and it magically worked
[02:43] <genii> tekteen: Let me know how it goes.
[02:43]  * genii sips
[02:43] <MegaMetals> no-acpi = acpi=off
[02:43] <GWild> mefisto__: In attempting to build the package it fails - just hangs. I tried it a few times - same result.  Is it possible I need to remove 'partially' installed package?
[02:43] <tekteen> genii: I will do it shortly, thanks :-)
[02:43] <mefisto__> GWild: quite likely
[02:44] <GWild> k
[02:44] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: however, the Intrepid would make it to install and install.. besides the NIC or something not working right
[02:44] <mefisto__> GWild: sudo apt-get remove --purge        to get rid of everything
[02:45] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: is it a laptop?
[02:45] <GWild> mefisto__: ok - what, exactly, will that be purging...? ;-)
[02:45] <mefisto__> GWild: purge removes any settings that are associated with the package
[02:46] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: no
[02:46] <GWild> mefisto__: Hmm, seems to have run it's course this time - but again - no information output by jockey
[02:46] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: It's a Dell Inspiron 530
[02:48] <MegaMetals> AKA "I just paid $530 over what I should"
[02:49] <Xenos> It's one of those Dell Too Expensive's?
[02:49] <tekteen> genii: it did not work
[02:49] <tekteen> $ runlevel
[02:49] <tekteen> N 2
[02:50] <genii> tekteen: I know, for the reasons I painfully tried to explain to you earlier
[02:50] <MegaMetals> Xenos: everything looked good when I had $1k to spend and I was on a P2 450 MHz, 10 GB hard drive, 320 MBs of PC1000 RAM, and a VooDoo 3 3dfx 8MB
[02:50] <MegaMetals> I was ready to get off of it no matter what
[02:50] <MegaMetals> after 9 years
[02:50] <tekteen> genii: what is the problem?
[02:51] <genii> tekteen: 2=2 2=3 2=4 2=5    3=2 3=3 3=4 3=5   4=2 4=3 4=4 4=5      etc
[02:52] <tekteen> I changes 3
[02:52] <genii> tekteen: The only runlevel you can set which is different than 2 is 0,1 or 6
[02:52] <tekteen> why is that?
[02:52] <genii> tekteen: Lemme find a doc for you to possibly read
[02:53] <genii> tekteen: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/runlevels.htm
[02:53] <tekteen> 1 is single, 0 is hault, and 6 is reboot
[02:53] <tekteen> none of those are useful lol
[02:53] <genii> tekteen: Yes. All other runlevels equal 2
[02:54] <MegaMetals> Oh yes, I wanted someone to check to see if this would be correct to mount the windows (NTFS) partition so I can share my music and other folders over the network , in the fstab: " /dev/sda2 <tab> /media/windows <tab> ntfs <tab> defaults <tab> 0 <tab> 0 "
[02:55] <MegaMetals> or do I need some fancy stuff besides defaults
[02:55] <genii> tekteen: Perhaps if you explained rather what you are trying to achieve it ight be useful, to find a way of accomplishing it
[02:55] <tekteen> genii: it does not say you can not change a runlevel from the default state
[02:55] <tekteen> genii: I changed level 3 to not boot X
[02:56] <tekteen> genii: now I am trying to boot into the runlevel
[02:56] <drostie> tekteen: why do you need X to stop booting on runlevel 3, exactly?
[02:56] <genii> tekteen: Runlevel 3 is actually the traditional runlevel that DOES run X.
[02:56] <tekteen> genii: I thought that was runlevel 5
[02:56] <tekteen> genii: It does not matter, I figured it was the one after 2 which is default
[02:57] <tekteen> genii: My ultimate goal is to boot without X sometimes by editing grub
[02:57] <drostie> MegaMetals: that's probably okay, if you're okay with default mount options.
[02:57] <mefisto__> genii: so that applies to all debian-based OSes?
[02:58] <genii> mefisto__: Yes
[02:58] <MegaMetals> drostie: would it be possible to make it 'read only' ?
[02:58] <MegaMetals> drostie: So I don't have the chkdsk happening everytime I boot in to windows
[02:58] <drostie> tekteen: why not just jump into a TTY when you need it? (Ctrl+Alt+F1 to jump to TTY, Ctrl+Alt+F7 to jump back)
[02:58] <genii> tekteen: tekteenThats what single user is for. You can go to X runlevel from there by:   telinit 2
[02:59] <genii> bah
[02:59] <DaSkreech> genii: Can't you edit the run levels manually?
[02:59] <drostie> MegaMetals: [man mount] suggests that the "ro" option does exactly what you want.
[02:59] <genii> DaSkreech: Yes
[03:00] <MegaMetals> drostie: so something like ro,defaults ? or just ro
[03:01] <drostie> you should really get used to reading man pages yourself. defaults comes with rw so the behavior might be unexpected.
[03:01] <genii> DaSkreech: But currently if you examine closely the contents of /etc/rc2.d  /etc/rc3.d    and so on they are identical
[03:02] <genii> DaSkreech: You'd need to specify with update-rc.d manually each specific set of runlevels for each specific script for it to matter
[03:02] <DaSkreech> geniown kIh Yeai:
[03:02] <DaSkreech> oh good grief
[03:02] <DaSkreech> genii: yeah I know
[03:03]  * genii makes more coffee
[03:06] <pabloandres> hi everybody did someone can help me
[03:08] <DaSkreech> !ask
[03:08] <DaSkreech> !someone
[03:08] <genii> DaSkreech: To late....
[03:12] <GWild> mefisto__: sorry to bother you - can you tell me how I would go about reversing the process described in http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide?
[03:12] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: man mount.ntfs has examples for what you want in fstab
[03:12] <GWild> mefisto__: my system fails every boot - will not load the x server and kicks to a prompt
[03:13] <mefisto__> GWild: you made debs and installed them with dpkg -i  correct?
[03:13] <GWild> mefisto__: correct
[03:14] <GWild> use -u to uninstall?
[03:14] <mefisto__> GWild: simply do dpkg -r to remove them
[03:14] <austin> how do i get virtual box to see my disc driver and ethernet
[03:14] <austin> ?
[03:15] <mefisto__> GWild: and change xorg.conf back too I suppose
[03:15] <genii> austin: PErhaps enquire of that in #vbox channel
[03:15] <GWild> mefisto__: right - tried an old version first but looks like I need to uninstall
[03:16] <austin> oh ok ty
[03:16] <GWild> mefisto__: Heh - recommend a good (and cheap) video card?........
[03:16] <austin> genni: thanks
[03:22] <mefisto__> GWild: well mine is cheap and working with the ati restricted driver, onboard X1250 but I wouldn't say it's good. It's just OK and works with k/ubuntu. I just had to tweak xorg.conf to get resolution right, but other than that it was easy. just installed fglrx with the hardware drivers dialog (jockey). Other than that, I don't know. I used to have a similar ati card to yours that worked until gutsy (I think) but one day an update came and it wasn't
[03:22] <mefisto__> supported so I had to go back to the open source driver
[03:25] <DaSkreech> genii: OK This is annoying
[03:25] <DaSkreech> My mouse is stukc
[03:25] <DaSkreech> stuck
[03:25] <DaSkreech> It picked up somgo etlt n'wo nd anggian hts iah dnag inhte
[03:25] <DaSkreech> and it's messingrdaobyeke  ththwi
[03:25] <GWild> mefisto__: it appears tha t I was able to back those packages out. I need to find a better card.
[03:25] <genii> Hmm
[03:25] <GWild> mefisto__: I appreciate the assistance
[03:25] <DaSkreech> It picked up something and has it hanging and won't let go
[03:26] <DaSkreech> and it's messing with the keyboard
[03:26] <mefisto__> GWild: no problem
[03:26] <genii> DaSkreech: Unplug, clean it, plug back in?
[03:26] <DaSkreech> genii: No It's software I dragged a link and when I let go the link didn't drop
[03:26] <DaSkreech> it's hanging on the end of the mouse
[03:26] <DaSkreech> so Ican't click or do anything
[03:27] <mefisto__> GWild: maybe try googling your card + kubuntu intrepid and see if someone else has found a way to do it
[03:27] <DaSkreech> I don't really use the mouse that much but I'm starting to find small places where you have to use the mouse
[03:27] <DaSkreech> can I restart the mouse pointer?
[03:27] <GWild> mefisto__: That's what I'm going to do - back to the Kub box now..
[03:27] <Ch1ppy> Hey, does anyone know where I can get the libmsn0.1 package from?
[03:28] <genii> DaSkreech: No immediate solution comes to mind :/
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Restart X huh?
[03:31] <mefisto__> could you maybe unload/reload a module?
[03:31] <DaSkreech> For the mouse?
[03:32] <mefisto__> yeah
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Probably not likely
[03:35] <mefisto__> sudo modprobe -r mouse_drv.so && sudo modprobe mouse_drv.so     maybe? worth a try
[03:37] <DaSkreech> No such module
[03:37] <mefisto__> without the .so   ?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> Nope
[03:37] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: I found mouse_drv.so in xorg logs
[03:38] <DaSkreech> You need to look in the kernel logs
[03:38] <DaSkreech>  or lsmod
[03:40] <mefisto__> mouse   or   psmouse   ?
[03:41] <noren_> hi
[03:41] <DaSkreech> USB mouse I don't know which that falls under
[03:42] <DaSkreech> !hi
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Hi noren_
[03:42] <noren_> fell assleep doing the update last night just woke up ( kde 4.2) again today
[03:43] <DaSkreech> hi sparky1
[03:43] <drmrhorse> anybody use a service menu to mount isos?
[03:44] <downhill_> service menu?
[03:44] <drmrhorse> yes, theres a kde service menu called mountiso
[03:44] <downhill_> whoa I had no idea this channel was logged
[03:45] <drmrhorse> weird
[03:45] <sparky1> Hi
[03:45] <sparky1> I have
[03:45] <sparky1> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integ
[03:45] <sparky1> rated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[03:45] <sparky1> oops
[03:45] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: I use that in hardy
[03:45] <drmrhorse> i use hardy as well
[03:46] <drmrhorse> where does it mount to?
[03:46] <noren_> DaSkreech: i think i will succced today in updating it properly
[03:46] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: it asks you where you want to mount to
[03:46] <DaSkreech> noren_: I'll help
[03:46] <drmrhorse> mine does not have a dialog for that. did you select the kdesu or the sudo option?
[03:47] <drmrhorse> or maybe that doesnt matter, idk
[03:52] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: this is what I have: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=61955&forumpage=0&PHPSESSID=e5af
[03:52] <drmrhorse> ah, this is a different service menu. i will give it a try, thanks!
[03:53] <sparky1> and it will not go to 1280x1024 Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03), only 1280x800
[03:55] <MegaMetals> What would be an app like "AnalogX's Netstat Live" ?
[03:56] <genii> sparky1: Does your lcd support the resolution ?
[03:57] <sparky1> yes
[03:57] <genii> sparky1: On the laptop I have for instance, exact same video. but my lcd only can physically do 1280x800
[03:59] <r3db0x> how do i keep the programs open on desktop 1 from being shown in the task tray in the other desktops?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> r3db0x: Are you on KDE 4.1 or 4.2 ?
[04:01] <noren_> DaSkreech: dpkg error it did not configure completly
[04:01] <DaSkreech> noren_: sudo apt-get -f install
[04:01] <r3db0x> 4.1
[04:02] <noren_> APT Error. Context:
[04:02] <noren_>     Running dpkg,
[04:02] <noren_>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --configure, -a ],
[04:02] <noren_>     Sup-process returned error code 1
[04:02] <genii> sparky1: So if you have read-edid installed, a command like:  sudo get-edid | parse-edid                        shows that the monitor has a possible setting higher than 1280x800 ?
[04:03] <DaSkreech> r3db0x: I don't think that option is in 4.1
[04:03] <DaSkreech> noren_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:03] <r3db0x> DaSkreech: is it an option in 4.2?
[04:04] <DaSkreech> r3db0x: yes
[04:04] <r3db0x> mmm sounds like i might want to update then
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Maybe
[04:06] <noren_> how can i paste long error here
[04:07] <DaSkreech> !paste
[04:07] <r3db0x> DaSkreech: any reason not to...like nasty know bugs?
[04:08] <noren_> DaSkreech:  my konquror has stopped working ,,
[04:08] <DaSkreech> r3db0x: Umm Well KDE 4.1.x has quite a few bugfixes. KDE 4.2.0 has lots of eatures which probably means new bugs
[04:09] <DaSkreech> noren_: Of course it did
[04:09] <DaSkreech> noren_: Umm can you install epihany ?
[04:11] <noren_> APT Error. Context:
[04:11] <noren_>     Running dpkg,
[04:11] <noren_>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --unpack, /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4-0x1.0dff4bfef7ec4p-1494.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb ],
[04:11] <noren_>     Sup-process returned error code 1
[04:12] <genii> noren_: Please consider using pastebin
[04:12] <noren_> APT Error. Context:
[04:12] <genii> Hm
[04:12] <noren_>     Running dpkg,
[04:12] <noren_>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --unpack, /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4-0x1.0dff4bfef7ec4p-1494.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb ],
[04:12] <genii> noren_: Please consider using pastebin
[04:13] <noren_>     Sup-process returned error code 1
[04:13] <noren_> genii: browsser not working here
[04:13] <genii> noren_: Use pastebinit then
[04:13] <noren_> is there any otherrre way around
[04:14] <genii> noren_: Pastebinit is a CLI pastebin app. It will put whatever into the pastebin webite and spit you back a url that you report here
[04:17] <slimer> jesus is a LIAR!  he never died on that cross, he swapped with a stunt double.
[04:17] <slimer> satan is the true light
[04:17]  * Lummoxx_ yawns.
[04:17] <slimer> how else did he resurect?
[04:19] <genii> slimer: You've already been warned in #ubuntu . Don't get yourself boot4ed from here too.
[04:19] <slimer> ok
[04:19] <mefisto__> who's jesus?
[04:19] <maco> slimer: simple. he's a vampire. no, not a zombie. zombies are in-articulate, stupid undead. vampires are smart, able-to-speak undead. it totally explains that glowing halo thing.
[04:19] <nishit_> wow, this is my kubuntu
[04:20] <DaSkreech> genii: he can't install pastebinit since apt is broken and apt was broken on Konqueror so that doesn't work
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Kinda hard to get around
[04:20] <slimer> im looking for the satan ubuntu
[04:20] <maco> ah ubuntu-se?
[04:20] <DaSkreech> noren_: can You run dpkg ?
[04:20] <mefisto__> join #noren-paste and paste in there
[04:20] <maco> it's just a set of theme packages
[04:21] <genii> slimer: Go visit http://ubuntusatanic.org/ then
[04:22]  * MegaMetals scratches head
[04:22] <slimer> ahh thanx
[04:22] <slimer> is this a ligit linux distro ?
[04:22] <slimer> or just a parody of kubuntu
[04:22] <genii> slimer: It's just a theme package as maco just said.
[04:23] <nishit_> hey anyone want to talk to me
[04:23] <slimer> ok
[04:23] <slimer> so it's installable
[04:23] <slimer> my church is gonna love this
[04:23] <slimer> :)
[04:23] <genii> slimer: It's a parody of Ubuntu-CE ("Christian Edition")
[04:24] <slimer> is there a white people edition?
[04:24] <slimer> i outa make an ubuntu for white people
[04:24] <MegaMetals> ROFL
[04:24] <mefisto__> what was that? you're outa here? bye
[04:25] <Luija> helpmepls!!!! whenever i press any kkey,it have a lag ooof 3 seconds  ffor writting WTF
[04:25] <genii> slimer: Refrain from racism and/or bigotry in this channel, or risk kicking, etc.
[04:25] <slimer> sorry, im not racist
[04:26] <slimer> i just celebate the history and culture of the white people.
[04:26] <Luija> ssoomeone hellp ppls
[04:26] <abrix> hi
[04:27] <genii> slimer: If you want to make some custom *buntu theme there are many articles online, Google or a search engine of your choice will find them easily
[04:28] <genii> Luija: Maybe your computer is under-powered for running a bunch of apps at one time. Try closing some things (but not your IRC client just yet)
[04:28] <drmrhorse> mefisto__: sorry to interrupt again, im having trouble unmounting the file. im also having trouble googleing the umount command and understanding the man page
[04:28] <maco> i would like to know what "the history of white people" means when the history of the Britons and the history of the French and the history of Italians and the history of Austrians and the history of Swedes are all so different
[04:28] <drmrhorse> i remember it being easy
[04:28] <genii> maco: ... ot ..... :)
[04:29] <wrinkliez> hey guys, i installed seamonkey and then wanted to uninstall it, and now the icon is still stuck in the kmenu. any ideas?
[04:29] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: man umount     or     umount --help
[04:30] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: it is easy: sudo umount /path/to/mount
[04:30] <Luija> geni iiihave just2 wwindows  oppenn annd  i restttartttted
[04:30] <maco> genii: oh right
[04:30] <drmrhorse> awesome, thanks
[04:30] <maco> genii: i was just trying to point out that what he said was historically and culturally...well...nonsense
[04:30] <Luija> whenever i press any kkey,it have a lag ooof 3 seconds  ffor writting WTF
[04:30] <Luija> [23:28] <Luija> i hhhavvve tooooo   hhold tttthe kkey fooor 3 seccconds fffforrr wrrritiiiing
[04:30] <maco> slow keys
[04:30] <maco> or sticky keys
[04:30] <maco> i dont know how to make it go away
[04:30] <Luija> ssllowwww
[04:31] <genii> maco: If you want to debate stuff with them, invite them to an appropriate channel for that discussion please
[04:31] <Luija> SSSHITTT
[04:31] <maco> there's some gesture that makes it happen, but i cant find where in kde that gesture is set to find out what i'm doing that makes it start doing that
[04:31] <bazhang> Luija, no cursing please
[04:31] <genii> Luija: Pleae, I know is frustrating. But watch the language...    Did you try as I said, to close whatever apps might be chewing up your cpu?
[04:32]  * genii sneaks bazhang a cookie and coffee
[04:32] <Luija> sssssssssssry
[04:32] <Luija> noo iiii ccloseddddddddd apps
[04:33] <Luija> and stiillllllll slloww llaaginng keyssss
[04:33] <genii> Luija: Do you have something like Google Desktop    or Strigi   installed?
[04:33]  * drmrhorse giggles
[04:34] <bazhang> Luija, uncheck keyboard repeat
[04:34] <Luija> nnno :SS
[04:34] <bazhang> Luija, lag has nothing to do with it.
[04:34] <Luija> ii canttttttttt bazz
[04:34] <maco> genii: that's not the problem
[04:34] <maco> it's Sticky Keys
[04:35] <maco> i hit it all the time when i use Inkscape
[04:35] <genii> maco: You've seen it before?
[04:35] <maco> yes
[04:35]  * genii defers to maco
[04:35] <bazhang> Luija, sure you can; just take your time and fix it
[04:35] <Luija> sssssssssstttickyy whaatttt???
[04:35] <maco> i think it's due to holding down the shift key too long
[04:35] <maco> dtchen says it's suppsoed to ask if i want to turn on sticky keys. it does *not* ask!
[04:35] <bazhang> or keyboard is set to repeat
[04:35] <drmrhorse> mine asked
[04:35] <bazhang> yep
[04:35] <drmrhorse> windows also has this problem
[04:36] <maco> i *think* if you go system settings -> accessibility -> activation gestrures and uncheck "use gestures for activatig sticky keys and slow keys" it should stop being enable-able
[04:36] <genii> I could see that causing annoying repeat when you don't want it... but it also causes letters not to appear for 3 seconds or so til after you've hit the key? Doesn't seem correct symptom to me...
[04:36] <mefisto__> I remember something like what maco says too
[04:36] <bazhang> Luija, what version of kubuntu; 8.10?
[04:37] <Luija> yesss
[04:37] <maco> genii: that's why sticky keys are also called slow keys in gnome
[04:37] <genii> Ah, "slow keys"
[04:37] <maco> you have to hold it down for a bit before the key is activated. once it's held it'll repeat til you let go
[04:37] <Luija> yeeeees geniiiiiiiiiii
[04:37] <Luija> yes   mmmaco
[04:38] <Luija> solllllllllluuuuuttttiion?
[04:38] <maco> genii: if you want to instant-enable it, there's a "use slow keys" checkbox in Accessibility -> Keyboard filters for ya
[04:38]  * genii makes sure to avoid ever setting that
[04:38] <Luija> ?????????
[04:38] <maco> Luija: i'm not sure how to disable it once it's enabled, but if you go system settings -> accessibility -> activation gestrures and uncheck "use gestures for activatig sticky keys and slow keys" it should stop being able to be activated
[04:39] <maco> Luija: once you log out it'll go back to normal too
[04:39] <mefisto__> systemsettings > accessibility, activation gestures tab
[04:39] <Luija> nnoo iiresssssssssttarteedddd aannddd no
[04:40] <Luija> let mytrrytorestartagain
[04:40] <mefisto__> I just helped Luija get wifi working, following method 2 here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[04:41] <maco> it stayed enabled?
[04:41] <Luija> yesssss =(
[04:41] <mefisto__> after reboot, the typing problem
[04:41] <mefisto__> but wifi is working :)
[04:41] <maco> Luija: is it enabled in the Keyboard Filters part then?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> genii: seen that apt error before?
[04:41]  * genii wakes up
[04:41] <maco> that part does persist across sessions
[04:42] <genii> DaSkreech: ?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> noren's error
[04:42] <DaSkreech> noren: You left. We figured out a way for your error to get pasted :)
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Join #noren-paste
[04:45] <Luija> iiiiihhhhhaaveesstil
[04:46] <Luija> whaaaatt  filltterr    wwwereee u  tallkkkiinnn  abouuuuuttt'??????
[04:47] <bazhang> Luija, system settings; see it?
[04:47] <mefisto__>  systemsettings > accessibility, activation gestures tab
[04:47] <Luija> yyyeees
[04:47] <aacosta> Hello
[04:47] <maco> mefisto__: or in Keyboard Filters, the tab to the left of that. that's the one that persists across sessions.
[04:47] <DaSkreech> !hi
[04:47] <mefisto__> maco: ok
[04:48] <mefisto__> slow keys?
[04:48] <Luija> Nce  mmaco!!
[04:48] <Luija> bbut i hhave a ffastt keyys probbllem  now LLOOLL
[04:49] <genii> Hm.
[04:49]  * genii hands maco an extra strong coffee
[04:49] <Luija> Yeah all done!
[04:49] <Luija> all normal
[04:49] <Luija> thx maco
[04:49] <drmrhorse> no more stutter!
[04:49] <genii> Yay!
[04:50] <Luija> but how the slow keys was activated??
[04:50] <Luija> it was desactivated before
[04:50] <drmrhorse> i have a problem that gives me an irc lishhhp
[04:50] <drmrhorse> haha
[04:51] <mefisto__> Luija: maybe that linux-backports-modules-intrepid package we installed has a bug that enabled it?
[04:51] <Luija> maybe mefisto
[04:52] <Luija> but wait
[04:52] <Luija> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[04:52] <Luija> guys mefisto help me with method two
[04:52] <kuaera_> Anyone here having login problems with KDE on Jaunty?
[04:52] <Luija> if u have problems with wifi, use method 2, in kubuntu
[04:52] <Luija> thx a lot mefisto :)
[04:52] <mefisto__> np
[04:58] <sille> anyone here aware of any "eye candy" that can be disabled to improve general performance... similar to window's option to "adjust for better performance" by disabling visual enhancements???
[04:59] <maco> sille: disable compositing
[04:59] <sille> re: kubuntu...
[04:59] <sille> maco: whre compositing??
[05:00] <nbaer>  
[05:00] <maco> sille: system settings -> desktop. uncheck "enable desktop effects"
[05:01] <sille> maco: is there an area in settings in kubuntu similar to windoze performance areea?
[05:01] <maco> sille: in power management you can setup profiles for power settings...things like lowering screen brightness, turning off desktop effects, when to suspend...
[05:02] <Bsims> I can't get kde 4.2 to use system bell as a notification and a desktop view to /media/disk-1 doesn't work on boot and in fact crashes plasma any ideas
[05:04] <mefisto__> Bsims: is /media/disk-1 mounted from fstab?
[05:04] <Bsims> mefisto__: correct
[05:04] <DaSkreech> noren: Are you back?
[05:06] <nbaer> Upgraded Kubuntu 8.10 to kde 4.2
[05:07] <nbaer> Under System Setting, Multiple Desktops, got  error,
[05:07] <nbaer> The shared library was not found.Library "kcm_kwindesktop" not found
[05:07] <nbaer> Any suggestions?
[05:07] <Bsims> anyone else use konversation I got some questions
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Sure
[05:09] <Bsims> DaSkreech: I can't get it to ding the system bell on each new message, and up arrow doesn't repeat what I said
[05:10] <genii> nbaer: Does: apt-cache policy kde-window-manager                say this package is installed? According to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/303540  this is where that library exists
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Bsims: both should work
[05:11] <Bsims> DaSkreech: Well I can't get it to work... not in kde as a notification anyway
[05:11] <dangaio> I have just noticed that my update notifier is indicating about 111 packages to upgrade.
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Pressing up doesn't bring up your last entry/
[05:11] <dangaio> upon looking at them, most of the kde4 packages are slated to be removed.
[05:11] <dangaio> is this right?
[05:11] <Bsims> DaSkreech: Nope
[05:11] <nbaer> genil: Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.
[05:11] <Bsims> does nothing
[05:11] <dangaio> I am running 8.10 with kernel 2.6.27-11
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Should work out of the box
[05:12] <genii> nbaer: You're welcome
[05:12] <DaSkreech>  In fact you shouldn't be able to turn that off
[05:12] <Bsims> used to stopped working, and a fstab mounted folder view crashed plasma on reboot
[05:13] <Bsims> DaSkreech: I like 4.2 but its little wierd crap like this that galls
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Bsims: It works here
[05:14] <DaSkreech> and konversation is KDE3 so nothing in KDE 4 phases it
[05:14] <Bsims> Sigh I guess I'll remove konversation's config and start over
[05:14] <DaSkreech> You aren't supposed to be able to change tha
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Bsims: Sure back it up and remove it
[05:15] <Bsims> but there is no earthly reason I can think of why on a virgin install I can't tell 4.2 to used the bloody system speaker
[05:15] <Bsims> It dings all right through my headphones on my desk
[05:15] <Bsims> Not the one in the computer case
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Oh I've never tried that actaully
[05:16] <Bsims> I even tried to tell it to run a program that does nothing but ring the bell
[05:17]  * Bsims pronounces curses on it
[05:23] <Bsims> Testing
[05:23] <Bsims> Well recreating my settings got the up arrow back
[05:24] <sille> maco: still here??  re: turning off 'eye candy in kubuntu...  couldn't find any sections labeled "compositing, desktop effects, or an area called powere setings.  Maybe feisty didn't come with these setting options?? pls advise.
[05:24] <Bsims> telling it to beep on new mesage nope
[05:24] <maco> sille: FEISTY?!
[05:24] <maco> sille: feisty's dead
[05:24] <sille> fiesty?  sp??
[05:24] <bazhang> !upgrade
[05:24] <maco> i'm looking at a KDE4 session
[05:24] <maco> that'd be hardy or newer
[05:24] <sille> mmmmm... k.
[05:25] <bazhang> feisty is end of life; check that link under gutsyupgrades
[05:25] <Bsims> How by the Kindly Ones can I get a plain system bell to work as a notification on KDE 4.2 on intrepid
[05:26] <DaSkreech> !feisty
[05:28] <mefisto__> Bsims: you could record a beep, and use that file as a notification :P
[05:28] <DaSkreech> n__: Hello ?
[05:29] <bernier> Hi, I have the nvidia 180 driver installed and working but on every boot i get kwin crashing. Anyone may know why? im running kubuntu jauunty x64
[05:29] <Bsims> mefisto__: the whole point is I don't want it in my headphones I want it on my system speaker built into my computer... I even told it to run a command that does nothing but make it beep. WTF its not rocket science I would have thought
[05:29] <sille> maco: kde v 3.5 ... im pretty sure I have fiesty.  Think that I tried upgrade and did not care for the "new feel".  yes... i know... dead.. although unsupported seems to work ok.
[05:31] <sille> maco: you  aware of any effects that canbe disabled in this version to save significantly on sys resources??
[05:32] <maco> no, i dont think there were desktop effects in kwin that long ago
[05:32] <maco> feisty was a *very* light-weight release overall
[05:32] <maco> but running software that's no longer receiving security updates is a bad idea
[05:32] <maco> hardy *does* have a kde 3.5.9 option
[05:33] <maco> i really encourage you to give 4.2 a try though. i switched from gnome because 4.2's so nice :P
[05:33] <maco> (4.2 will be in jaunty, but it's installable on intrepid)
[05:36] <sille> maco:  will look in to upgrade... guess i just got used to this layout.. very simple.. as you said "light weight " Esp for my current linux system.  Thx for feedback.
[05:37] <sille> maco: meaning slowere overall pc... limited RAm and processing pwr
[05:38] <maco> sille: gotcha
[05:45] <mefisto__> hardy had 3.5.10
[05:48] <genii> Well, 3.5.8 or so originally
[05:49] <Bsims> What I want to know is who thought it a good idea to route system bell over bloody speakers.... or more specificaly why the merry fsck I can't tell kde 4.2 latest and freaking greatest to ring the same *amned bell that urxvt manages to find
[05:51] <sille> terminal command to show system resources??
[05:52] <triptec> I got a problem, when I drag a plasma applet between my screens (ati big screen) it loses it's looks to some gray thing until I drop it.. any clues?
[05:52] <Bsims> sille apt-get install saidar
[05:54] <genii> sille: top
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Bsims: #kde ?
[06:02] <Bsims> working there too
[06:02] <Bsims> no real answer
[06:02] <Bsims> its the little things that drive ya nuts though
[06:04] <Luija> amazing, kubuntu is really sweet,  i changed because vista blocked and i lost all my data lol i am pleased i change :D i have wifi and nvidia resolution =)
[06:05] <Luija> all nice, and sudo app get install pretty quick :D
[06:06] <triptec> does anyone know if vga=xxx in menu.lst might cause hw corruption??
[06:06] <Bsims> Luija: Heh how does it feel to use an OS that sucks less
[06:06] <Luija> LOL amazing
[06:06] <Bsims> triptec: you mean burning up your monitor
[06:06] <Bsims> remarkably unlikely if it was made this century
[06:07] <Luija> i wanted to throw all my data when vista crashed, i was like: WTF, f****** vista, all my data T_T
[06:07] <Luija> lol
[06:07] <triptec> Bsims: yeah really great when it comes to acually useful apps, cad, ps, flash, 3d...
[06:07] <triptec> Bsims: no video card
[06:07] <Bsims> Luija: HD crashes can happen here to... The One true faith is this: Backup
[06:08] <Luija> nonono
[06:08] <Luija> i am not saying HD
[06:08] <Luija> general little crash
[06:08] <Bsims> Oh the little things
[06:08] <Luija> like when firefox crash, and all system is blocked lololol
[06:08] <Bsims> It can still happen but less often
[06:08] <Luija> i needed to restard, and i didnt save my data in word lol
[06:08] <Luija> oh, sweet
[06:08] <Luija> at least "less" is a big something
[06:08] <Bsims> and generaly when it does... you can often know why
[06:08] <triptec> X can be somewhat a pain at times..
[06:09] <Luija> oh yeah, not knowing what crash is a pain in vista
[06:09] <Luija> oh and, how i can configure the grub so if i dont choose a OS in 10 seconds, it choose kubuntu and not vista?
[06:09] <Bsims> triptec: thats why you hit ctrl alt f1 or f2 and restart x from there
[06:09] <triptec> Bsims: what do you usally use your computer for?
[06:10] <Luija> Bsims: how i can configure the grub so if i dont choose a OS in 10 seconds, it choose kubuntu and not vista?
[06:10] <Bsims> Luija: Hrm I'll look up how to change defaults
[06:10] <Luija> thx
[06:10] <Bsims> triptec: to play games in wine, irc, browse the net, light office work the usual
[06:10] <triptec> Bsims: yeah I know those, just thinking about earlier today, Xorg took 100% cpu and didn't listen to the kb, couldn't even change capslock;)
[06:11] <Luija> i know why linux users always say Vista sucks hard, when i used vista i was saying: thats bullshit, when my vista crashed, i said: LOL they have 200% reason
[06:11] <Bsims> Its a little beyond you at this stage, it requires using the command line Luija
[06:12] <Luija> can u explain me in detail pls?
[06:12] <triptec> Bsims: yeah for those thing I love linux, and to do all services, mpd, http, vlc list goes on..
[06:12]  * Bsims smiles but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34393 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2469847
[06:12] <Luija> i have used konsole for app get and commands, so it will not be a big problem
[06:12] <Luija> thx :)
[06:13] <ibuffy> are there job opportunities for kubuntu in the near future? i see tons listed on ubuntu.com but nothing mentioning kde..
[06:13] <mefisto__> isn't there a grub editor gui these days?
[06:13] <Cybio> Luija: sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst ... change the default parameter from 0 or 1  to any other boot option nr you like
[06:13]  * Bsims grins Luija you can run if you learn enough the exact same versions the developers are using
[06:13] <Bsims> mefisto__: probably I've never seen the need I run linux only
[06:14] <triptec> mefisto__: yeah in kde 4.1 atleast
[06:14] <mefisto__> kgrubeditor
[06:14] <maco> mefisto__: boot-up-manager?
[06:15] <triptec> System Settings->Advanced
[06:15] <triptec> GRUB Editor
[06:15] <wildbat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/119980/   anyone have any idea how to fix this error?
[06:16] <triptec> Luija: did u find the GRUB Editor?
[06:16] <mefisto__> maco: it edits menu.lst so you can easily add a menu background, change the usual grub settings, add/remove kernels and/or kernel options
[06:16] <Luija> wait trip
[06:16] <maco> mefisto__: i think it's b-u-m
[06:17] <Luija> sudo /boot/grub/menu.lst true?
[06:17] <maco> Luija: your keyboard working again?
[06:17] <maco> Luija: you need to name an editor in there
[06:17] <Luija> lol yessssssss thx maco :D
[06:17] <Cybio> Luija: sudo is only to get admin rights
[06:18] <triptec> anyone tried Arch?
[06:18] <mefisto__> from vista to vim in one day :)
[06:19] <Luija> bsims: this error appear
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 14: default: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 19: timeout: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 126: title: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 128: kernel: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 129: initrd: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 131: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[06:19] <Luija> sudo gksudo /boot/grub/menu.lst was what i write in konsole
[06:19] <Luija> :)
[06:20] <triptec> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.list
[06:20] <triptec> sorry .lst
[06:20] <triptec> not list
[06:20] <Luija> nice
[06:20] <Luija> i am in
[06:20] <Luija> now what i do triptec?
[06:21] <mefisto__> change the timeout line to the number of seconds you want before boot
[06:21] <triptec> when u see the menu which one do you want to start
[06:21] <triptec> ?
[06:21] <Luija> kubuntu :)
[06:21] <triptec> 0 being the top one
[06:22] <triptec> k, then the line default should be 0 but I guess it is
[06:22] <Luija> its 0, but i must change it to 1 no?
[06:22] <Luija> how i do that?}
[06:23] <mefisto__> no, 0 is the first one
[06:23] <Luija> i want the second one to be booted :)
[06:23] <mefisto__> 1 would be the second (recovery mode)
[06:23] <Luija> second one is kubuntu
[06:23] <triptec> well if kubuntu is the latest os u installed it should automagicly be the default
[06:23] <triptec> aka no need to change
[06:23] <Luija> ehhhmm...
[06:23] <Luija> nop
[06:23] <Luija> after 10 seconds
[06:23] <Luija> it boot vista :S
[06:23] <triptec> hmm
[06:24] <triptec> paste the file on pastebin and giv me adress
[06:24] <triptec> give*
[06:24] <triptec> http://pastebin.com/
[06:26] <Luija> http://pastebin.com/d4f62fe4e :)
[06:27] <triptec> Luija: are you in kde by any chance?
[06:27] <mefisto__> not enough Luija
[06:27] <Luija> yep :)
[06:27] <Cybio> Luija: ... you can already edit right away ... ^O means write the changes to the file .... with CTRL O
[06:27] <Luija> not enough mefisto? what u mean
[06:28] <mefisto__> open it in kate and copy the whole thing: kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:28] <Cybio> CTRL X (^X) is exit
[06:28] <triptec> instead if nano use "sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[06:29] <Luija> and why i always end in kate? lol
[06:29] <Luija> for wifi i also ended in kate lol
[06:29] <triptec> easier to copy from
[06:29] <triptec> ;)
[06:29] <Luija> ok, let me do that :P
[06:29] <Luija> i am in kate
[06:29] <Luija> what i do now?
[06:29] <triptec> well need more than the first 10 lines
[06:30] <triptec> try to mark and copy the whole file
[06:30] <Luija> change 0 to 1?
[06:30] <Luija> because 0 is vista and 1 is kubuntu
[06:30] <triptec> then yeah change it to 1
[06:31] <Luija> where i can change the seconds it needs to boot a system automatically?
[06:31] <Cybio> timeout         10 ...... change that
[06:31] <maco> vista's #0?
[06:31] <maco> cant you just put vista's stanza after the "END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LINES" section?
[06:32] <Luija> triptec, i changed all what i needed to 1 :D
[06:32] <Luija> now, where i copy that?
[06:32] <triptec> just save and ur ok
[06:33] <Luija> nice, let me try to reboot :)
[06:33] <triptec> but I'd like to see the file, could you paste it?
[06:33] <Luija> oh
[06:33] <Luija> lol
[06:33] <Luija> wait, let me open it again
[06:33] <mefisto__> Luija: you sure you're doing it right?
[06:33] <Luija> i think lol
[06:34] <Luija> http://pastebin.com/d6655364f
[06:34] <Luija> here it is
[06:34] <Luija> i copy pasted the first 10 lines, the lines where i made changes
[06:34] <Luija> i mean
[06:34] <Luija> 19 lines lol
[06:34] <triptec> yeah we need the bottom lines lol
[06:35] <Luija> LOL
[06:35] <Luija> ...
[06:35] <mefisto__> Luija: ctrl-A  to select all. then ctrl-C to copy it
[06:36] <Luija> here is all lol
[06:36] <Luija> http://pastebin.com/d43dc7497
[06:36] <Cybio> Luija: with a corrupted menu.lst file you may be possibly left with an un bootable system .... better be sure ;-)
[06:36] <Luija> 0_0}
[06:36] <triptec> ubuntu is first, it should be 0
[06:36] <Luija> no...
[06:36] <Luija> 0 is vista
[06:36] <Luija> 1 is ubuntu
[06:37] <Luija> i checked already ;)
[06:37] <Luija> is all good?
[06:37] <Luija> i dont want a dead laptop of 1500$ LOL
[06:37] <mefisto__> Luija: vista is at the bottom. kubuntu is 0
[06:37] <triptec> you'll probably get recovery mode..
[06:38] <Luija> but 0 was predetermined
[06:38] <Luija> so if 0 is predermined, and it booted vista, it was not 1...?
[06:38] <Luija> ok, let me change all that again, but it will be the same
[06:39] <triptec> "root            ()/ubuntu/disks"??
[06:39] <triptec> mefisto__: ?
[06:39] <Cybio> triptec: indeed
[06:39] <triptec> ah savedefault
[06:40] <triptec> in the vista entries
[06:40] <Luija> in what line is that
[06:40] <triptec> 162 and 170
[06:40] <Luija> savedefault?
[06:41] <triptec> yeah
[06:41] <Luija> what i change?
[06:41] <triptec> you can just remove the liens
[06:41] <triptec> lines
[06:41] <Luija> one thing
[06:41] <mefisto__> no, savedefault will only work if line 14 is  default    saved
[06:41] <Luija> nah, forget it
[06:41] <triptec> oh
[06:41] <Luija> so i delete 162 and 170?
[06:42] <Luija> ant it will boot ubuntu?
[06:42] <triptec> mefisto__: ?
[06:43] <mefisto__> but    root    ()/ubuntu/disks              is new to me
[06:43] <Cybio> should there not be a: "root (hd0,1)" or something like that?
[06:43] <Luija> oh... this is a little hard, better i just restart if it choose vista anyways lol
[06:43] <triptec> yeah, and there shoud be a makeactive aswell on vista entries no?
[06:43] <Luija> o_o?
[06:44] <triptec> Luija: did you just install  are you on then live cd or something?
[06:44] <Luija> install...
[06:45] <Luija> so no one knows how to make kubuntu predeterminated?
[06:45] <mefisto__> Luija: what do you do to boot kubuntu?
[06:46] <Luija> i press down arrow lol
[06:46] <Luija> because the predeterminated option is vista
[06:46] <triptec> with a cd in or?
[06:46] <Luija> so i down arror
[06:46] <mefisto__> down? and kubuntu is at the bottom?
[06:46] <Luija> nothing
[06:46] <Luija> mefisto: yes!!!!
[06:47] <triptec> vista should be 5 or 6
[06:47] <Luija> it would not be better triptec if u modify the kate, copy, pass to me, and then erase ur changes?
[06:47] <triptec> that's atleast how my works..
[06:48] <Luija> pass by pastebin
[06:48] <mefisto__> the root line for the kernels...   look at line 66        loop=/ubuntu/disks/root.disk
[06:48] <triptec> Id try to just change it to 0 and reboot choose ubuntu and then reboot again
[06:49] <triptec> how kan vista be on top?
[06:49] <Luija> yes it is in top
[06:49] <Luija> mefisto__: i see the line
[06:49] <Luija> what i modify?
[06:49] <triptec> do you have any other linux install on your disk?
[06:50] <triptec> or disks?
[06:50] <Luija> nop
[06:50] <Luija> nop
[06:50] <Luija> okay, i will take a pic of the thing so u can know what i am talking about
[06:50] <Luija> let me reboot, i will d/c
[06:50] <triptec> yeah
[06:51] <triptec> it's all very strange yes?
[06:52] <Cybio> He installed Kubuntu with Wubi
[06:53] <triptec> Wubi? like unetbootin?
[06:54] <Cybio> like root partition file within Vista partition .... the default boot option in the vista boot manager is then Vista
[06:54] <triptec> okay
[06:55] <Cybio> To change the order he need to change that option somewhere in Vista
[06:55] <Cybio> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[06:55] <mefisto__> damn wubi
[06:56] <Cybio> yeah :-P
[06:56] <triptec> Cybio: you'll tell him this, I'm gonna install Archlinux..
[06:56] <Cybio> OK :-)
[06:56] <triptec> ciao
[06:59] <mefisto__> oh, so he's talking about the vista bootloader
[07:00] <Cybio> mefisto__: Yeah then a change to the grub menu.lst won't help him
[07:00] <mefisto__> and he changed default boot in grub to 1, so he'll boot into recovery mode
[07:01] <Cybio> Hmmm ... yes, seems so
[07:02] <mefisto__> won't see him back for a while I think
[07:02] <Cybio> ... only if he figures out to reverse his changes :-)
[07:02] <Luija> ok
[07:02] <Luija> finally i am here lol
[07:03] <Cybio> :-) welcome back
[07:03] <Luija> there is a way to upload directly the photo?
[07:03] <Luija> i have it in my SD
[07:03] <Cybio> Luija: Did you install with Wubi ?
[07:03] <Luija> to Konversation
[07:03] <Luija> Wubi...?
[07:03] <Luija> no
[07:03] <Luija> I installed with live CD
[07:04] <Luija> file:///media/disk/dcim/100_pana/p1000206.jpg
[07:04] <Cybio> boot the computer from Live CD?
[07:04] <Luija> lol that dont worked
[07:04] <Cybio> nope
[07:04] <Luija> no, i can do it without live
[07:04] <Luija> there is not a way to upload the photo to konversation?
[07:04] <Cybio> if you installed from Live CD when you were running Vista you probably used Wubi
[07:04] <Luija> it clearly states wat i wanna say
[07:05] <Luija> oh
[07:05] <Luija> then if it is from vista
[07:05] <Luija> then yes
[07:05] <Luija> i used wubi
[07:05] <Luija> i need to upload the pic!!!!! LOL
[07:05] <Cybio> Live CD means ... boot up from CD and run a whole system from CD
[07:05] <Luija> yes but i installed the SPO
[07:05] <Luija> SO
[07:05] <Cybio> SO?
[07:05] <Luija> so i dont need the Live
[07:05] <Luija> OS
[07:05] <Luija> srry, SO is the spanish for OS
[07:06] <Luija> Sistema Operativo
[07:06] <Luija> Operating System
[07:06] <Luija> oh! with imageshack
[07:06] <Cybio> maybe you read on here a little .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[07:06] <Cybio> maybe it looks familiar :-)
[07:07] <Luija> I installed the OS
[07:07] <Cybio> Then to make Ubuntu the default you need to do that in the  Vista boot manager
[07:07] <Luija> i just downloaded from oficial page
[07:07] <Luija> and then
[07:07] <sille> anyone familiar w/ dolphin??  want to hide my unmounted partitions located in /media... having them hidden will make for cleaner transferring and saving  of files to mounted disks.
[07:08] <Luija> clicked install with vista
[07:08] <Luija> thats all :)
[07:08] <Cybio> :-) ... probably you then installed in Vista on a partition file on the partition from Vista ....
[07:08] <Luija> Yeah!
[07:08] <Luija> i instaled with wubi
[07:08] <Luija> no
[07:08] <Luija> i used disk D
[07:09] <Luija> HD is divided in C and D
[07:09] <Luija> C for Vista
[07:09] <Luija> D for ubuntu
[07:09] <Luija> kubuntu*
[07:09] <Cybio> Then you need to boot Vista (if you still can) :-) ... and change the order there ....
[07:09] <Luija> LOL
[07:10] <Luija> okay
[07:10] <Cybio> Read how on the page i just show you under the head "How do I make Ubuntu the default boot option?"
[07:10] <Luija> finally the pic than clearyly state what i say
[07:10] <Luija> srry but the screen is a little dirty
[07:10] <Luija> http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000206fv2.jpg
[07:10] <Luija> it cleary reads:
[07:10] <Luija> vista up
[07:10] <Luija> kubuntu down
[07:10] <Luija> :)
[07:11] <Luija> yah?
[07:11] <Cybio> Yes yes ... thats from the Vista boot manager
[07:11] <mefisto__> Luija: but it says Admin. de arranque de Windows
[07:11] <Luija> because its spanish lol
[07:12] <mefisto__> but Windows!
[07:12] <Luija> yes...
[07:12] <mefisto__> you have kubuntu inside windows
[07:12] <Luija> LOLOLOLOL
[07:12] <mefisto__> :)
[07:12] <Luija> WTF
[07:12] <Cybio> Ubuntu is not installed as the default boot option, you have to select it in the windows boot menu.
[07:12] <Luija> then i do the install bad?
[07:13] <Cybio> To change that, in windows XP go to control_panel > system > advanced > startup_and_recovery and edit the "Default Operating System", if you want you can change the timeout as well.
[07:13] <mefisto__> wonder if it's the same for vista
[07:13] <Luija> is because my HD is divided in two: C and D, because C was for vista, i used  D than is free :)
[07:13] <Cybio> Soemthing similar you need to do in Vista
[07:13] <Luija> ok, let me boot vista :D
[07:14] <mefisto__> I'll boot my windows 7 beta VM and see what it's like there :)
[07:14] <Luija> sweet
[07:14] <Luija> let my boot vista so i can see if it is the same
[07:15] <Luija> cya guys
[07:18] <AzAel> Gday all!
[07:19] <AzAel> got an issue when dolphin freezes when i try to assign a custom icon to a symbolicly linked directory
[07:20] <Cybio> AzAel: do you have rights to write to that directory?
[07:21] <AzAel> uhuh ive got rights out the wazzo
[07:21] <AzAel> lrwxrwxrwx
[07:21] <Cybio> that are the rights from the symbolic link
[07:22] <Cybio> not from the linked directory
[07:22] <AzAel> links to a direcory thats drwxrwxrwx
[07:23] <AzAel> unfortunately its a mounted samba share due to hybrid network
[07:23] <Cybio> hmm ... sos then the rights are handled by samba ...
[07:25] <AzAel> fstab entry rfor share "cifs file_mode=0775,dir_mode=0775"
[07:26] <Bianca> help!!!
[07:26] <Bianca> I killed my kubuntu
[07:27] <AzAel> heheheh i did that a few weeks ago on my laptop...kde4.2 didNOT like my intel gfx
[07:27] <Bianca> I went to k-menu - systemsettings. there in apeearance I activated the effects
[07:28] <Bianca> and since then when i start upt I get to the login scrren, login and then there comes the little icons but when my dektop is supposed to appear, I get a blank screen for five seconds and then a blac screen
[07:28] <Bianca> and that's the way it remains
[07:28] <Bianca> how can i fix that?
[07:29] <AzAel> eek....can you do a safe login?
[07:29] <mefisto__> you need to disable compositing
[07:31] <Bianca> i can still login  i can do a console login
[07:31] <Bianca> but i do not know whta to do there
[07:32] <mefisto__> Bianca: you need to edit .kde/share/config/kwinrc
[07:32] <Bianca> mefisto__ thank you.
[07:32] <Bianca> and what excactly do i have to change there?
[07:32] <Luija> I coulnd change it lol
[07:32] <mefisto__> find Enabled=true   under [Compositing]    and change it to Enabled=false
[07:33] <Luija> thats with me mefisto__?
[07:33] <AzAel> under the heading......argjh mefisto__ beat me
[07:33] <mefisto__> no Luija
[07:33] <maco> Luija: he's talking to Bianca
[07:33] <Luija> oh
[07:33] <Luija> ok
[07:33] <mefisto__> Luija: did you find where it is?
[07:33] <Bianca> mefisto__ one last question: what do i edit it with? kate doesn't run in konsole.
[07:34] <Luija> nop =(
[07:34] <AzAel> Cybio: any ideas in the custom icon thing?
[07:34] <mefisto__> Bianca: nano is probably easiest
[07:34] <Cybio> Bianca: maybe you can try nano
[07:34] <AzAel> or if you like try mc
[07:34] <Luija> u were the one that was gonna run the vista beta?
[07:34] <Luija> mefisto__? to help me?
[07:34] <AzAel> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mc
[07:34] <mefisto__> Bianca: at the bottom of the screen will be commands like ^X   ^W
[07:35] <mefisto__> Bianca: that means ctrl+X   ctrl+W  etc
[07:35] <AzAel> run mc and navigate to the folder
[07:36] <mefisto__> Bianca: so do this: nano .kde/share/config/kwinrc   and make that change, then ctrl+X to exit and save
[07:37] <AzAel> Bianca: then restart X
[07:37] <mefisto__> Luija: ok, did you find where to change the windows boot settings?
[07:38] <mefisto__> Luija: control_panel > system > advanced > startup_and_recovery
[07:38] <wrinkliez> hey, can someone tell me why people use music player daemon instead of just a regular music player?
[07:39] <Bianca> mefisto__, Cibio, AzAel: thank you
[07:39] <Luija> nop mefisto
[07:39] <Luija> system is not an option
[07:39] <Luija> also there is not advanced
[07:39] <Bianca> mefisto__ ok, changes done and safed. will now try to login
[07:39] <Luija> is differend :S
[07:39] <mefisto__> Luija: then change default to Ubuntu instead of Vista, and set the time to whatever you want. probably 2 or 3 sec is the lowest
[07:40] <Luija> but thats why i wanna know how
[07:40] <Luija> what, not why
[07:40] <oscar_> hello!!
[07:42] <oscar_> I am trying to use samba to connect to a windows lan...
[07:42] <oscar_> But having problem...
[07:42] <Bianca> mefisto__ thank you very much! You solved my problem. It works again
[07:42] <oscar_> I can see the computers, but can't browse any share.
[07:43] <Cybio> Luija: Out of this conversation "https://answers.launchpad.net/wubi/+question/59364" i understand you need to run as administartor the command bcdedit .... look at "identifier"
[07:43] <Luija> ei, one offtopic question
[07:44] <Luija> i right click
[07:44] <Luija> and i press the option
[07:44] <Luija> add panel
[07:44] <Luija> and a black panel apeared
[07:44] <Luija> how i remove the panel?
[07:45] <Bianca> right click on the panel and choose the option to delete the panel
[07:45] <Luija> thx
[07:46] <Bianca> no problem
[07:46] <Bianca> Luija: you have a wubi install?
[07:47] <Luija> yep, but mefisto just help me, i will go to vista now, thx anyways :D
[07:48] <sille> does anyone know how to hide partitions/hd volumes from file manager(s)... spec dolphin???
[07:49] <Bianca> Luija: I tried with that one before. and after a while you get used to using it and don't wanna change it anymore.
[07:49] <Bianca> But I *really* recommend you to make a ubuntu/kubuntu installation in a partition
[07:49] <Bianca> It's not more work at all, but far better.
[07:50] <Bianca> I screwed up my vista once, wubi-ubuntu hanged itself at shutdown and didn't react anymore
[07:50] <Luija> I installed the Kubuntu OS in Disc D :)
[07:50] <Bianca> ah, ok
[07:50] <Bianca> then it's fine
[07:50] <Bianca> I had it on top of Vista
[07:50] <Bianca> now I'm without vista
[07:50] <Bianca> but I don't really need it anymore
[07:51] <Bianca> :-)
[07:52] <Luija> lol, ok bianca
[07:52] <Bianca> so happy kubuntu using, Luija!
[07:52] <elizabeth> good night guys can somebody helpme pls i have install kubuntu intrepid, it got everything right but somehow lost the wireless driver and now after several (and i mean several!!) resinatalations it just dont detect the wireless card  my laptop is a compaq v3000 v3417la hel pls???????
[07:53] <Luija> lol bianca, u know why i change?
[07:53] <Bianca> Luija. why?
[07:53] <Bianca> elizabeth: sorry, I have no idea. You've had wireless in the first place?
[07:54] <elizabeth> yes
[07:54] <elizabeth> i do
[07:54] <elizabeth> thats why iam sayin first instalation everything was just fine
[07:54] <Luija> the change was today lol, i was using firefox, and i have some crucial data in word, firefox blocked, i needed to restart, and i was like: VISTA!!! U son of a F***** ***** lololol
[07:54] <Luija> i was goin to threw away the pc LOL
[07:55] <elizabeth> even the wireless connectios next day woke up turn on my laptop and there was no wireless connection
[07:55] <Luija> so i downloaded the Live Cd, i liked KDE over GNOME, and here it is :D kubuntu lol
[07:55] <elizabeth> it somehow lost the drivers and nowafter several reinstalations just wont detect wireless card
[07:56] <Luija> elizabeth
[07:56] <Luija> give me one second
[07:56] <elizabeth> ok
[07:57] <elizabeth> i now wich driver i do need the thing is IT JUST WONT DETECT MY WIRELESS CARD that is the biggest issue
[07:57] <elizabeth> Broadcom 4312 chipset sp39912.exe
[07:58] <Bianca> .exe?
[07:58] <Superhuman> hey hey
[07:58] <Luija> whats ur wifi card name and model pls
[07:58] <Luija> so i can help u
[07:58] <Luija> bianca, the change was today lol, i was using firefox, and i have some crucial data in word, firefox blocked, i needed to restart, and i was like: VISTA!!! U son of a F***** ***** lololol
[07:59] <Luija> so i downloaded the Live Cd, i liked KDE over GNOME, and here it is :D kubuntu lol
[07:59] <Bianca> Luija: if you installed from LiveCD it's not a wubi installation. Or did I get naything wrong?
[07:59] <Luija> nah, dont wrry
[07:59] <Luija> i got the solution
[07:59] <Luija> i will boot right now :)
[07:59] <Luija> brb
[07:59] <Bianca> ok
[07:59] <elizabeth> i dont know about wifi card model but i know this: Compaq Presario V3000 V3417LA Broadcom 4312 chipset sp39912.exe
[07:59] <Bianca> cya
[08:00] <Bianca> elisabeth: I can't be a lot of help here. but in order to find your card enter in konsole: lspci
[08:00] <Bianca> and look out for it
[08:00] <elizabeth> intold u it just dont detect wireless card
[08:00] <Superhuman> How do I revert back to kde 4.1? from kde 4.2? I used the guide on http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[08:01] <Superhuman> elizabeth: and in lsusb ?
[08:01] <mefisto__> elizabeth: to find out what wifi hardware you have: lshw -C network
[08:01] <Superhuman> lspcmcia could help too
[08:02] <mefisto__> elizabeth: and pastebin the result at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ then give us the url
[08:03] <elizabeth> here is what i got with lspci: http://pastebin.com/mc0728ca
[08:04] <Cybio> elizabeth: Did you not accidently press a button on the laptop to switch of wireless ? :-)
[08:06] <elizabeth> and this is with the lsh; http://pastebin.com/m7901448e
[08:07] <elizabeth> and about accidentally no, theres no way, believe me at this point i dotake care of details
[08:07] <Bianca> shouldn't the id's start with 0?  here they do
[08:08] <elizabeth> sorry is just that i dont know why this happened it was just fine like i told u next woke up turn on my laptop and
[08:08] <mefisto__> elizabeth: how about sudo  lshw -C network
[08:10] <elizabeth> here:   http://pastebin.com/m3b070d63
[08:11] <Luija> FINALLY!!!
[08:11] <mefisto__> I bet windows is switching it off on shutdown
[08:11] <Luija> thx mefisto__ :D
[08:11] <mefisto__> Luija: so Ubuntu is default boot now?
[08:12] <Luija> yes
[08:12] <Luija> ok, now i will go to sleep
[08:12] <Luija> tired now
[08:12] <Luija> finally got kubuntu working
[08:12] <Luija> thx guys, cya tomorrow
[08:12] <Cybio> :-) congrats
[08:14] <elizabeth> ok guys thxs for the effort sorry i am so tired ive been working on this since last week and it is getting frustrating not to find a way to solve this, i hope tomorrow have some luck and fix this thxs
[08:15] <Bianca> elizabeth: do you have alsa windows?
[08:15] <Bianca> and if so does it recognized your wifi?
[08:16] <elizabeth> alsa windows i dont know about that  all i know (wich is not much) is that alsa is for sound and i do have sound
[08:16] <Bianca> also*
[08:16] <Bianca> sorry, was a misspelling, I didn't see
[08:16] <elizabeth> also
[08:17] <Bianca> do you also have windows installed?
[08:17] <elizabeth> never hear about it
[08:17] <elizabeth> do i install it from konsole?
[08:17] <Cybio> elizabeth: do you have windows ?
[08:17] <elizabeth> ooh
[08:17] <elizabeth> no
[08:17] <Cybio>  and what if you just run from a LiveCD ? ... does it see your wireless ?
[08:17] <elizabeth> i have made several resintalations
[08:17] <Bianca> ah, ok
[08:18] <Bianca> maybe it's a hardware defect, if it's not recogniced by the system
[08:18] <Bianca> LiveCDs normally have worse support for wifi
[08:18] <elizabeth> just did one more installed win to get the wireless working(wich i did9 then made a fresh new resinataltion of kubuntu intrepid to c if that way kubuntu would detect the wireless card but it didnt work
[08:18] <Bianca> but you could nonetheless try
[08:19] <elizabeth> no
[08:19] <elizabeth> well sometimes but most wont
[08:19] <Bianca> so windows reacognized your wireless even after kubuntu did not recognize it anymore?
[08:19] <elizabeth> and when it has i do install the driver but then on the inataltion of kubuntu get lost
[08:19] <Bianca> that would discard the hardware failure option
[08:20] <elizabeth> yes
[08:20] <AzAel> wifi is over rated :P
[08:20] <elizabeth> with win works but with kubuntu worked only the first time
[08:20] <elizabeth> but like i said one day woke up and there was no more wireless connectionit just got lost
[08:21] <AzAel> elizabeth: are using this on a laptop?
[08:21] <Bianca> sorry, i can't be of help here
[08:21] <Bianca> gotta go.
[08:21] <elizabeth> this what?? i am using my laptop yes right now with ethernet connection
[08:21] <AzAel> if so what make and model
[08:21] <Bianca> elizabeth: good luck! Hope someone can help you here
[08:21] <elizabeth> but of course i do need the wireles connection
[08:22] <elizabeth> ok thxs
[08:22] <Bianca> bye, folks! and thank you
[08:22] <elizabeth> c you all
[08:22] <elizabeth> bye
[08:22] <AzAel> elizabeth: are trying to get wifi working in kubuntu on a laptop?
[08:23] <elizabeth> i am trying to get my wireless card reconized by kubuntu for instance then i will c about using network or wifi
[08:23] <AzAel> and if so whats the brand and model of your laptop
[08:24] <elizabeth> COMPAQ PRESARIO V3000 V3417LA BROADCOM  4312 CHIPSET sp39912.EXE
[08:24] <AzAel> and is the wireless card a slot in device or is it built into the laptop
[08:25] <elizabeth> built in
[08:25] <AzAel> elizabeth: i need exact model it should be on a sticker on the bottom of your laptop
[08:25] <elizabeth> just told u
[08:26] <AzAel> v3000 v3417la? which one?
[08:26] <elizabeth> COMPAQ PRESARIO SERIES V3000 MODEL V3417LA
[08:26] <AzAel> ah thanks
[08:27] <Cybio> elizabeth: in the lshw information you posted earlier i miss the "eth0" device ... and the "wlan0" device .... seems then the module is not loaded ...
[08:28] <elizabeth> i do think that because kubuntu intepid wont reconigze my wireless card it also dont have wlan
[08:28] <elizabeth> http://pastebin.com/m3b070d63
[08:32] <elizabeth> so if the modules is not loaded how can i get it done or recognize the wireless card or whatever the problem may be, sorry guys this is hard for someone new at all on this
[08:33] <Cybio> i know i know ... :-) ... use google ... thats what i do.
[08:34] <elizabeth> been using it since last week believe i have spend tons of hours usually till 3 am average every single day but ehers no much help about it
[08:34] <drmrhorse> elizabeth:  you tried the dumb way with the hardware drivers manager, right?
[08:35] <elizabeth> ???? so different lenguage how do i do that??
[08:35] <drmrhorse> im not that good at kubuntu yet, but i got my hp laptop with a broadcom to work on hardy that way
[08:36] <elizabeth> hardware drivers manager?? how or where do i get that??
[08:36] <AzAel> elizabeth: Quote from a review of your laptop "The only sticking point might be for Linux users as Broadcom is pretty much Linux unfriendly."
[08:36] <drmrhorse> on hardy its in the kde menu
[08:36] <drmrhorse> i dont know about interpid
[08:37] <drmrhorse> *intrepid
[08:37] <Cybio> you can see if the module for your card is loaded by doing in a terminal "lsmod |grep bcm43xx"
[08:37] <elizabeth> ok theres this icon that says HARDWARE DRIVER everytime i click on it just let me know wich drivers r in use thats it
[08:37] <AzAel> try lspci
[08:38] <mefisto__> http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/intrepid-cafuego/broadcom/
[08:38] <elizabeth> but it wont get driver
[08:38] <mefisto__> Broadcom binary firmware packages ^^
[08:38] <drmrhorse> mefisto__ rocks
[08:38] <mefisto__> elizabeth: try adding those repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <AzAel> http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/ <<<---has repositories to add
[08:39] <mefisto__> :)
[08:39] <AzAel> oh ffs
[08:39] <AzAel> lol
[08:39] <mefisto__> so we agree
[08:39] <drmrhorse> gmta
[08:40] <AzAel> quick draw mefisto__
[08:40] <mefisto__> what's gmta?
[08:41] <drmrhorse> Great Minds Think Alike
[08:41] <elizabeth> ok i already try thembut didnt do anygood
[08:41] <AzAel> ....find page, copy url, switch window, paste url, look up and and see that youve beaten me to it
[08:41] <AzAel> drmrhorse: you honor me.....
[08:42] <AzAel> elizabeth: whats the outout of 'lspci | grep broadcom
[08:43] <elizabeth> nothing
[08:43] <elizabeth> did  it twice and nothing:
[08:43] <elizabeth> elizabeth@Elizabeth:~$ lsmod |grep bcm43xx
[08:43] <elizabeth> elizabeth@Elizabeth:~$ lsmod |grep bcm43xx
[08:43] <elizabeth> elizabeth@Elizabeth:~$
[08:45] <Cybio> mmm ... or "lspci | grep Broadcom"
[08:46] <drmrhorse> yeah, with the cap
[08:46] <AzAel> or jus pastebin  lspci
[08:46] <AzAel> [19:45] <-- elizabeth has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[08:46] <AzAel> git fed up
[08:46] <AzAel> got
[08:46] <drmrhorse> she smashed her laptop
[08:47] <Cybio> mmm ...
[08:47] <drmrhorse> hardy recognized mine right away but when i tried intrepid on a live cd it didnt see it
[08:47] <AzAel> heheheh i had that urge when i tried to upgrade my inspiron 1100 to kde 4,2
[08:47] <drmrhorse> i dont know how mine is still in one piece
[08:48] <drmrhorse> i think you guys had it though
[08:48] <AzAel> i "know" how mine is still in one piece....its a friggin 5 year old cheap brick
[08:48] <drmrhorse> ha
[08:48] <AzAel> battery now lasts for 20 mins
[08:49] <Cybio> :-P
[08:50] <AzAel> Cybio: any ideas in the custom icon thing?
[08:50] <AzAel> noy just you Cybio anyone
[08:50] <Cybio> have a hp laptop here with intel wireless .... no probs at all with 7.10, 8.04 and 8.10
[08:51] <AzAel> brought a pcmcia wireless card for mine....worked the moment i plugged it in
[08:51] <drmrhorse> by b43 card appears to be running with the "sta" driver
[08:51] <Cybio> i know the custom icon is configured by a .directory file in the share which you want to change the icon from
[08:52] <AzAel> ooh
[08:52]  * AzAel toddle off to 'touch .directory'
[08:54] <Cybio> just tested with a local partion .... values in the ".directory" here are:
[08:54] <Cybio> [Desktop Entry]
[08:55] <Cybio> Icon=folder-important
[08:55] <Cybio> thats all
[08:55] <AzAel> [Desktop Entry]
[08:55] <AzAel> Icon=folder_sound
[08:55] <AzAel> thats whats in mine
[08:56] <Cybio> works now ?
[08:56] <AzAel> nope
[08:56] <AzAel> .directory file was already there
[08:56] <Cybio> mmm ... not really have a solution then
[08:56] <AzAel> there is also a .directory.lock file
[08:57] <Cybio> not really know what the .lock does
[08:57] <AzAel> wait a moment
[08:58] <Cybio> maybe re-mount
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:03] <AzAel> well just deleted the .directory file and the folder icon reverted from a "?" icon to the native plain icon
[09:04] <Cybio> and what you get when you delete the .lock file too and make a new .directory file?
[09:06] <AzAel> well the strange thing is that if i look at properties is hows the icon i selected and if mouse over/select the folder the corect icon appears in the dolphin info bar
[09:08] <Cybio> And that also happens when you change the icon again in properties? .... or does Dolphin then freezes again ?
[09:08] <Suiko> morning
[09:09] <Suiko> hi dudes, i have a problem
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> Suiko: morning :)
[09:09] <Suiko> well, its morning here =D
[09:09] <AzAel> ok locks like i freezes in thge presence of a .lock file
[09:09] <Suiko> in the fresh and bloomy germany XD
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> Suiko: its 9:10am here
[09:10] <Suiko> here 10:10
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> Suiko: wassup with your linux box?
[09:10] <Cybio> AzAel: OK :-) ... then it works now as it should ?
[09:10]  * genii sips
[09:11] <Suiko> well, i downloaded "some stuff" by rapidshare....and now...today, i wanted to download another one.....but rapidshare says that i am still download this file from yesterday
[09:12] <Suiko> btw i surf with konqueror
[09:13] <AzAel> Cybio: yes and no...
[09:13] <Cybio> and what if you remount the share ? ...
[09:13] <AzAel> if i select any icon other than te ones in the System/Places selection it goes back to the "?" icon
[09:15] <Suiko> and so, everything alright?
[09:15] <Cybio> hmmm strange ... i just tried with a local directory and can even give it a firefox icon
[09:15] <novanars> hi
[09:15] <Suiko> hi
[09:17] <AzAel> remote paths maybe need full path
[09:19] <arshad> hi
[09:19] <AzAel> Suiko: hehehe rapidshare..........kill all instances of konqueror and clean out your cookies
[09:20] <Suiko> already down =D
[09:20] <Suiko> done...
[09:21] <arshad> how do we clean cookies in UBuntu
[09:21] <arshad> ??
[09:21] <arshad> Firefox user
[09:21] <arshad> or %Temp% files
[09:21] <AzAel> Suiko: failing that if you have a dhcp assign ip address to your router then refresh and get another one if possible
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> arshad: ctrl+shift+del in firefox
[09:22] <Suiko> this might be the reason...
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> arshad: most temp files are removed at reboot, you can also run: sudo apt-get clean to remove any old deb files from apt-et activity
[09:22] <Suiko> and on the way i go and get a new nas XD
[09:23] <AzAel> or "tools" -->> "Clear Private Data" from the firefox menus
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> AzAel: mines the shortcut to that ;)
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> AzAel: mouse takes too long
[09:23] <arshad> Thanks
[09:28] <andy__> %C2,7 hi
[09:30] <wildbat_> /id
[09:31] <AzAel> ActionParsnip: just providing addition info....options are nice
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> AzAel: indeed. I just like to advise shortcut keys ut options are groovy
[09:32] <AzAel> ActionParsnip: doesn't help the person with only one hand and only a single finger on that hand :P
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> hahahaha
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> can use tongue + nose for ctrl+shift ;)
[09:33] <AzAel> hrmmmmm.........finger , nose and toe
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> ive done that afore
[09:33] <AzAel> ActionParsnip: ....thats is truely awesome
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> well i was holding a beer / cider / something i believe, sounded like a good idea
[09:34] <AzAel> you must have a real small hose...as i just tried it and was able to press both buttons with my nose
[09:34] <AzAel> ctrl+alt might be difficult
[09:36] <arshad> is ettercap secure enough to install n use or unsafe for own computer
[09:36] <AzAel> Ok got another problemo, i love kmail in 4.2 however for some reason it only prints the first page of a html document
[09:37] <arshad> how vulnerable is the ettercap user himself
[09:37] <real_Suiko> nice
[09:37] <real_Suiko> it works
[09:38] <real_Suiko> rapidshare is free again =P
[09:38] <AzAel> depends..has the user just been fired/dumped/hurt recently
[09:40] <AzAel> arshad: sorry i don't know
[09:40] <AzAel> lol @ real_Suiko and rapidshare
[09:41] <real_Suiko> routers fault.....
[09:41] <arshad> thanks AzAel
[09:42] <Suiko> so
[09:43] <AzAel> arshad: http://ettercap.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2271&sid=8099592590d4e5dd40c2056e66f99131
[09:43] <arshad> thats for....
[09:44] <AzAel> its in the faq section of ettercap, dunno thought it might help
[09:44] <AzAel> some reading material n stuff
[09:44] <arshad> ok
[09:45] <arshad> chekin out
[09:45] <AzAel> LOLZ ------>> http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/I_Give_Up_Windows_Is_Proof_That_People_Are_Too_Stupid_To_Use_Computers
[09:46] <bazhang> !ot
[09:46] <AzAel> sorry
[09:47] <Suiko> nice story
[09:48] <AzAel> Suiko: by routers fault you mean?
[09:50] <Suiko> nope, "router"'s fault....the little man in this small box =D
[09:51] <Suiko> well i rebooted it and swoop, it worked again
[09:53] <Suiko> well to your article...its a little bit curiouse....the military forces usually use microkernel os's especially "crafted"
[09:53] <Suiko> instead of windows
[09:54] <AzAel> careful my article post was somewhat Off Topic and hence i was warned thus
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> !ot
[09:55] <arshad> what is Kernel
[09:55] <arshad> ?
[09:55] <Cybio> arshad: Kernel is linux and Linux is the Kernel ... :-)
[09:56] <triptec> the OS
[09:56] <arshad> ok...n Debain
[09:56] <arshad> ??
[09:56] <triptec> takes care of resources and so on
[09:56] <Cybio> Debian is a distribution
[09:56] <triptec> is a distrubution
[09:56] <Suiko> Debain is the brother of Debian
[09:57] <triptec> no it's the child of debora and ian
[09:57] <triptec> ;)
[09:57] <Suiko> ahh, this was it
[09:58] <triptec> could someone tell me why tasksel has "(must install )" beside Ubuntu Studio desktop???
[09:58] <MegaMetals> is it possible to set Dolphin to put the last written file of a folder at the end ?
[09:58] <MegaMetals> like in windows and GNOME
[09:58] <arshad> BRB
[09:58] <triptec> sort by edit?
[09:58] <MegaMetals> triptec: Yes, I believe that's what I'd want
[09:59] <JackWinter> !kernel
[10:00] <JackWinter> I've checked out the above, was just wondering if there is a backport kernel repository, or if i could load jaunty kernels into intrepid someway ?
[10:00] <AzAel> arshad: http://www.linux.com/whatislinux/114354  also there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computer_science)
[10:00] <triptec> MegaMetals: just started with kde and dolphin and it seems there isn't but the must be some way... not having it is just plain stupid
[10:01] <MegaMetals> triptec: indeedy
[10:01] <jussi01> MegaMetals: dolphin doesnt, but you can use konquewror and it does.
[10:02] <MegaMetals> jussi01/triptec: I think sort by "date" works ?
[10:02] <MegaMetals> Konquack got uninstalled the first time I saw it
[10:02] <triptec> but i might want to sort by creation or access...
[10:02] <jussi01> MegaMetals: ahh, yeah, I missed that. so you can...
[10:03] <MegaMetals> jussi01: it seems that is the closes I can find anyway
[10:03] <triptec> hmm
[10:03] <triptec> strange
[10:05] <triptec> MegaMetals: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=851213
[10:07] <triptec> MegaMetals: nevermind..
[10:07] <triptec> MegaMetals: it was a reference to windows
[10:08] <maxi_> hey leute
[10:08] <maxi_> alles fit hier?
[10:08] <maxi_> brücht unbedingt hilfe mit WLAN bzw jemand der mir sagt was ich für ne karte am bestenhol
[10:08] <maxi_> hab nu schon zwei versucht und nur Ärger...
[10:08] <maxi_> scheiss Wlan ich liebe Netzwerkkabel anstecken udn geht grrrrrr
[10:09] <Cybio> !de
[10:09] <maxi_> jemand nen tipp welche karte einfach zu besorgen ist und out of the box geht am besten please?
[10:09] <maxi_> shit sorry
[10:09] <maxi_> de channel^^
[10:12] <MegaMetals> oh yeah, one more thing.  How would I make firefox my default browser ? Opera is taking over the links
[10:13] <MegaMetals> or is that program specific in linux
[10:18] <triptec> MegaMetals: seems to be app specific...
[10:19] <MegaMetals> triptec: i removed the Nazi Opera and it worked
[10:21]  * ActionParsnip loves opera
[10:24] <triptec> MegaMetals: hmm, kde doesn't seem that stable...
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> triptec: which version?
[10:25] <ubsafder> how do i take a snapshot of my screen ?
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> ubsafder: print screen button
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> ubsafder: or theres ksnapshot (or similar) in the k menu
[10:27] <ubsafder> ok i got it
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> "Thanks ActionParsnip for you help"  :(
[10:30] <luciopedi> name Lucio
[10:58] <guinda> hi
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> !ihi | guinda
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> !hi | guinda
[11:07] <guinda> does anyone know if is possible to install de Centos KDE look and feel in Kubuntu? I mean Icons and such things
[11:07] <triptec> what is the name of the app that searches for other os to put in grub?
[11:10] <guinda> triptec, why do you want this?
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> !grub
[11:30] <drostie> triptec: the name of the app is /boot/grub/menu.lst ^_^;;
[11:31] <drostie> (in a manner of speaking.)
[11:32] <leilane> gfggdggg
[11:32] <leilane> oi
[11:32] <noren> oh i m back, one more unsuccesfull attemp to upgrade to kde4.2 i guess i sud wait till the fresh stable update is released
[11:32] <leilane> hi
[11:32] <leilane> llllçççççç
[11:34] <noren> daskreech thanks for the help
[11:56] <victor_e> noren, what has happend?
[11:56] <victor_e> works fine for me
[12:00] <WindBack> I have recently installed ubuntu. When I look in the xorg.conf file to see the default configuration i see that the file is empty. I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but the "wizard" dont askme nothing related to the video configuration.  I want to know from what place xorg is taking the video configuration??
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: what video card do you have?
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> lspci | grep -i vga will tell you
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: the reconfigure xserver-xorg goodness was thrown out after gutsy :(
[12:08] <liwenyu> hi
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> !hi | liwenyu
[12:10] <liwenyu> what is this? what is IRC? who can tell me?
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: irc == internet relay chat
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: you connect to an irc server and join one of its channels, you can then talk to people in that channel
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: you can also make your own channel by joining a channel that isnt listed. you wil lthen be the admin of that channel
[12:12] <liwenyu> oh,i see
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: this particular channel is the offcial kubuntu support channel
[12:14] <liwenyu> yeah,i know,it's the first time i come to here. i like ubuntu very much.
[12:14] <liwenyu> so what ddo we talk abou here?
[12:15] <Cybio> liwenyu: problems people have with using kubuntu
[12:17]  * LutiusVeratius|A is away: Gone away for now
[12:23] <liwenyu> 我能讲中文吗？
[12:23] <liwenyu> can i speak Chinese here?
[12:24] <bazhang> !cn
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: its a pure support channel, for folks with issues or people who like helping people with issues
[12:28] <liwenyu> oh,thanks for telling me that.if i have any problem with kubuntu,i will ask direcctly
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: yeah, as the room and someone wil try and help (most likely)
[12:47] <honzo_> hey
[12:47] <honzo_> i have a litle question
[12:47] <Dr_willis> Oh?
[12:48] <honzo_> how can i instal kde from svn
[12:48] <Dr_willis> No idea
[12:48] <Dr_willis> check the kde homepage there may be some svn instrictions there.
[12:48] <Dr_willis> or the ppa repos may have some nightly builds.
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> honzo_:  KDE 4.2 is out http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[12:49] <honzo_> this is the problem becouse i can't goot anglish and i can't this read;/
[12:49] <bazhang> !pl
[12:49] <honzo_> ja ino ze zaden nie chce nic napisac;/
[12:50] <bazhang> honzo_, /join #ubuntu-pl
[12:50] <Dr_willis> I dont think anyone in here speaks PL other then the bot. :)
[12:50] <Dr_willis> of course no one reads wha the bot actually says. :)
[12:50] <honzo_> i have now install kde 4.2 from repo
[12:50] <Cybio> :-)
[12:51] <Suiko> "nobody likes the records that i play" ?
[12:51] <Dr_willis> that was a fast install.. if you just did it.
[12:51] <Suiko> nice weather, today, isnt it?
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> honzo_: wow thats fast, you ona dual T3 line or something
[12:53] <Suiko> ahhh what a wonderful feeling, freshly razord, brushed teeth, and a 1400 sided book about C
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Suiko: nice, is it "pointers on C"  that book is awesome
[12:54] <Suiko> nope, its C from A to Z
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> nice
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> not hugely offtopic or anything
[12:55] <Suiko> just pure C
[12:56] <Suiko> some algorithm, explanation and so on
[12:56] <peaches> what program makes the devices in /dev ?
[12:58] <Suiko> what the hell 86 bucks for pointers on c ?
[13:02] <PSiL0> i am so ready to put a bullet through my kubuntu laptop for freezing, yet again with my work
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> PSiL0: check dmesg
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> PSiL0: try disapling acpi and running it a while
[13:02] <PSiL0> already rebooted...
[13:03] <PSiL0> it did not respond to ctrl-alt-sysreq, ctrl-alt-backspace...
[13:03] <PSiL0> fucking xorg
[13:03] <PSiL0> I lost the last three hours of work
[13:03] <freegoo> can anyone help, i can only mount my hfsplus formated hard drive as "READ ONLY" (ipod usb)
[13:04] <PSiL0> sorry for ranting, but I need to turn in my results in a few hours..
[13:04] <jussi01> !ohmy | PSiL0
[13:04] <PSiL0> I am extremely discouraged with kubuntu's stability... I
[13:05] <PSiL0> I hate to say this, but I never experienced system freezes at such inopportune times on my winxp.. *shakes head*
[13:05] <Suiko> kde 4.2=
[13:05] <Suiko> ?
[13:06] <PSiL0> yes, on kde 4.2, 08.10, x86_64
[13:06] <jussi01> PSiL0: first, I suggest you make sure you save your work often. then, tell us a little more about your issue, what exactly happened, what kind of HW, which version of kubuntu etc
[13:06] <Suiko> well, its kinda far from stable, i guess
[13:07] <PSiL0> well, if I didn't save my work repeatedly before, then I would have lost 8 hours of it..
[13:07] <Suiko> then do so, as i do, i save every 10 minutes of my work
[13:07] <Suiko> on an extern harddisk
[13:07] <WindBack> ActionParsnip, WindBack: the reconfigure xserver-xorg goodness was thrown out after gutsy :(  WHHYY??
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: no idea duder
[13:07] <jussi01> PSiL0: please give us more details so we can try help you!
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: if you tell me what videocard you have i can advise
[13:08] <PSiL0> Well, it is 5am here I need some sleep before having to drive a long distance tomorrow...
[13:08] <PSiL0> well, I had several apps open along with k3b..
[13:09] <PSiL0> the burn already finished, but I had several java apps open with my image stacks (work) and openoffice... The problem happened when I closed my firefox session, and while dolpin was choking when I tried to transfer a rar file of an album I wanted to burn for my trip tomorrow
[13:10] <PSiL0> the rar file was on an external harddrive
[13:10] <PSiL0> ntfs-g
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> maybe thats the culprit
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> the ntfs
[13:10] <PSiL0> well, maybe, but my drive did not exhibit any excessive writing, but I surmised that ntfs-g, dolphin, and nepomuk makes for a deadly comibination
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: if you run lspci | grep -i vga
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: it will tell you
[13:11] <Lummoxx_> Full ntfs support is still fairly young, correct?
[13:11] <Dr_willis> Lummoxx_,  2+ yrs old is young?
[13:11] <Lummoxx_> seems like not all that long ago, it was read only
[13:12] <PSiL0> Maybe I'm masochistic for being determined to use linux as my daily working environment...
[13:13] <PSiL0> even though my data sheet from openofice recovered, but image stacks from imagej have been obliterated..
[13:13] <Dr_willis> read up on the ntfs-3g site..  i guess..  the 'ntfs' driver  is still read only i belive.. ntfs-3g is the latest and greatest. :) its been RW for some time now
[13:13] <WindBack> ActionParsnip, VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[13:13] <PSiL0> *sigh* and I thought linux was supposed to be stable...
[13:14] <Suiko> it is
[13:14] <Suiko> linux is stable like hell, except for the GUI
[13:14] <PSiL0> ahh, there you go..
[13:15] <PSiL0> I guess kde 4.2.0 is my problem
[13:15] <Suiko> so it is ^^
[13:16] <PSiL0> maybe I'll return when jaunty is released.
[13:16] <Lummoxx_> I'm 24 hours on KDE 4.2, no issues yet.  So...it's still early, but...
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: appears to be supported by i915  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver
[13:16] <Suiko> or you use another gui
[13:16] <Lummoxx_> The real problem with linux is hardware support.  Linux itself is fine.  When you start plugging in hard drives, and whatever else, it's not necessarily a "linux" issue, but probably a driver issue.
[13:17] <Suiko> !xen
[13:17] <PSiL0> Suiko: maybe when I don't have fellowships and papers I need to write..
[13:17] <Dr_willis> the main problem with 'hardware' is hardware support. :)
[13:17] <Suiko> but. instead of hanging around here, dont you think to redo your lost work?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> Lummoxx_: just buy whats compatible and you got an easy life
[13:18] <Dr_willis> it pays to buy hardware that is not the latest :)
[13:18] <PSiL0> Suiko: It is late, and I need to sleep.. My eyes can't follow individual synapses on my brain image stacks anymore
[13:18] <Lummoxx_> Heh, I know that.  :D  I'm running nice and stable here, Kubuntu 8.10 and KDE 4.2  :)
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Lummoxx_: if more companys embraced linux / bsd  itd be cool but some flat refuse (logitech are a classic example)
[13:18] <PSiL0> Lummoxx_: not when it comes to biomedical research though
[13:18] <Suiko> then do some minute sleeping, i do this to in college =D
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: it also pays to not buy from Creative ;)
[13:19] <Lummoxx_> If you're doing biomedical research, then you should be on 8.04 LTS
[13:19] <Lummoxx_> And run 8.10 KDE 4.2 on a spare laptop that you can screw with
[13:19] <Lummoxx_> or something
[13:19] <Suiko> or a virtual maschine =D
[13:19] <Lummoxx_> heh, that too
[13:20] <PSiL0> sorry guys, I have to get up in a few hours for a long drive... I have to tell my collaborator that my linux laptop ate my experiment results from the other day...
[13:20] <PSiL0> that I have to a backtrace, which is going to be even more painful
[13:20] <Suiko> well then, good luck
[13:21] <Dr_willis> ive had very few issues with my creative cards..  untill the xifi
[13:21] <Dr_willis> my auigy 2 cards ahve outlasted 5+ PC's :)
[13:21] <Lummoxx_> Hehe, if you put as much effort into your OS, instead of the drama, you'd be running 8.04 LTS and stable.
[13:22] <Lummoxx_> I've got an original Logitech G15 keyboard and a Creative X-Fi in this.
[13:22] <Suiko> Lummoxx, dont forget about kde 3*
[13:22] <Lummoxx_> The G15tools seem decent, but are poorly documented...took a day of forums cruising and googling to get it semi-working.
[13:22] <Dr_willis> I got a G15 also.. silly key letters are all work off the asdf keys.
[13:23] <Dr_willis> I can get thiose working real fast. :) but i learned how to use them befor they were even well documented. Heh
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> Lummoxx_: ive a keysonic mouse / kb in one which is seen as a standard usb kb / mouse and an onboard realtek 5.1 which works out of the box, even my netgear wifi works out of the box
[13:23] <Lummoxx_> The sound card, I grabbed the creative linux drivers, compiled and installed, and I have sound.  Haven't done any real checking, though, like making sure 7.1 works, etc.
[13:24] <Lummoxx_> yeah, working out of the box is nice...but the key for me, is that there are solutions for my hardware, I just have to work at it a little.  And I don't hit IRC crying "woe is me" when it doesn't work inside 3 minutes.  :)
[13:25] <Dr_willis> Lummoxx_,  You mean You read the fine docs first?
[13:25] <Lummoxx_> I've been a Gnome user up until this month.  :)  I also have Fedora 10 with KDE 4.2 on my laptop...an Inspiron 9300 .  :)  Stable so far too, and that hardware is kinda old now.
[13:26] <Lummoxx_> Hah, yeah.  Docs.
[13:27] <Lummoxx_> I spend a lot of time buried in documentation, READMEs, and googling, mainly because the people I support are incapable.
[13:27] <Lummoxx_> But...it's a living.
[13:31] <Lummoxx_> In a perfect world, we could always use what the F really means in RTFM.  :)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> i used to, now i dont deal with users for work :)
[13:38] <arkygeek> Hi.  I am running Kubuntu Intrepid.  How do I associate .jar files with Sun Java?
[13:38] <Suiko> java -jar file.jar
[13:38] <arkygeek> If I open in file browser, I can right click on them and go open with >  Sun   but on desktop,etc, if i right click, that option is not there
[13:39] <arkygeek> Suiko: thanks.  but how do i get it so that i can just click on the .jar file?
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> arkygeek: right click jar file -> open with   select the java binary and select 'remember this association' or hatever it is
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> arkygeek: if you type: which java    it will give you the path to the java binary
[13:40] <arkygeek> ahhhh thanks ActionParsnip
[13:40] <Suiko> i like java =D
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> arkygeek: works with all binarys in your PATH
[13:51] <drostie> anyone recall where the single click/double click preference is located?
[13:52] <drostie> (I'm in kde 4.2, in case it changed.)
[13:52] <Lummoxx_> System Settings, Keyboard & Mouse, Mouse
[13:53] <ifroog> Question, Is there a kde3 version of Kubuntu 8.10?
[13:55] <drostie> thankee :-)
[13:56] <Lummoxx_> remove the kde that's installed, or better yet, don't install any gui at all on 8.10, then download and compile the source for kde3.  then come back and let us know how well it went.  :)
[13:58] <ifroog> Compile, Is it not there on the repository?
[13:59] <Lummoxx_> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but no...why would it be?  Kubuntu ships with KDE 4.1, I think it would be unreasonable and impractical to keep every old version of every package as well.
[14:00] <ifroog> So, kde 3 is not being developed separately?
[14:00] <Lummoxx_> actually, an apt-cache search kde3 shows that it's not in the repo
[14:02] <Lummoxx_> Your query confuses me.
[14:02] <Lummoxx_> Why would they develop kde3 for a distro that is released with kde4?
[14:02] <Lummoxx_> More accurately, 4.1 with 4.2 in the pipe?
[14:03] <Lummoxx_> If you want kde3 on 8.10, you'll have to download it from kde.  Someone may have packages for it that may work on 8.10, but more likely you'll have to download the source and compile/make install it.
[14:04] <drostie> ifroog: but if you're concerned that KDE 4.1 was a bit crap, just wait a little for KDE 4.2 (or install jaunty)
[14:04] <Lummoxx_> Or be daring like me, and install the "experimental" 4.2  :)
[14:04] <drostie> (or try the upgrade path, but it's maybe a little tricky to get right.)
[14:04] <freegoo> guys i really need help, i tryed mounting with sudo. but when i try and create a file i get the read only
[14:05] <freegoo> i check mount. and it says RW: "/dev/sdb3 on /media/dfddrive type hfsplus (rw)"
[14:05] <ifroog> drostie, I am on 4.2 actually..
[14:05] <ifroog> Lummoxx_,
[14:06] <freegoo> i also tryed chmod. but again said read only file system. seriously out of ideas. can anyone
[14:06] <ifroog> Got 4.2 from http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu
[14:07] <drostie> freegoo: Is it a permissions problem? (does [sudo touch /media/dfddrive/testfile] also produce the same error?)
[14:08] <drostie> ifroog: k. Just asking; I know a bunch of people were upset by their first experiences of kde4.
[14:08] <Lummoxx_> ifroog: dunno what that is.  I upgraded mine by following the instructions at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[14:08] <Lummoxx_> strictly imo: the "stable" 4.1 is worse than "experimental" 4.2
[14:09] <ifroog> yeah, true
[14:09] <Lummoxx_> your mileage may vary, IANAL, all rights reserved, etc.
[14:09] <freegoo> drostie: touch: cannot touch `/media/dfddrive/testfile': Read-only file system
[14:09] <Dr_willis> I found 4.2 an improvement.. but i still see room for Much more improvement.
[14:09] <freegoo> drostie: thanks for the help
[14:10] <ifroog> I was on ubuntu 8.10 then moved to kde4.2.
[14:10] <ifroog> adding the repo above.
[14:11] <BluesKaj> "morning
[14:11] <Lummoxx_> again, I don't recognize that project-neon thing.  I upgraded to 4.2 using the instructions I linked above, right on kubuntu.org
[14:11] <Lummoxx_> which I would consider "authoritive"
[14:11] <Lummoxx_> eg: added the repo, added the public key, updated using Adept
[14:12] <ifroog> Alright, i will reinstall this system with kde 8.10 and follow that link.
[14:12] <ifroog> kubuntu*
[14:12] <ifroog> cause, im mixed up with ubuntu repos.
[14:12] <Lummoxx_> there was an error during the update, but the recommended fix in the error worked fine
[14:13] <Lummoxx_> just had to do an apt-get -f install
[14:13] <ifroog> k
[14:13] <drostie> freegoo: does this happen with other drives, too, or just HFS+ (Apple) formatted ones?
[14:14] <ockonal> Hello, how can i configure my microphone for skype?
[14:14] <Lummoxx_> Is http://wiki.kubuntu.org down for anyone?  taking forever to load pages.
[14:15] <Dr_willis> !skype
[14:15] <ifroog> drostie, Lummoxx_ Dr_willis, Tx, Cya guys later on the experimental.
[14:15] <ockonal> Dr_willis: skype.. How can i configure it for all system?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Lummoxx_, it's taking along timre here too.
[14:15] <Lummoxx_> good luck ifroog
[14:16] <Lummoxx_> heh, the mice must be tired
[14:17] <BluesKaj> on strike, by the look of it :
[14:17] <drostie> ockonal: is your microphone working in the first place? (does [xxd -l 128 /dev/audio] output something random looking or something repetitive looking?
[14:19] <DJ_Synergy> hello@all
[14:19] <Lummoxx_> hi DJ
[14:20] <DJ_Synergy> i need some help with my intrepid ... it worked fine ... then i updated my packages and installed the ATIX-Driver for my radeon 9200
[14:20] <ockonal> drostie: xxd: /dev/audio: Device or resource busy
[14:20] <DJ_Synergy> now intrepid won't start kde
[14:20] <drostie> ockonal: are you doing something else with your audio device right now?
[14:20] <DJ_Synergy> the display flickers 3 times but won't display kde
[14:21] <ockonal> drostie: yeah, i've enabled it in kMix
[14:21] <ockonal> drostie: i can hear myself, but my opponent in skype can't
[14:22] <Lummoxx_> can he hear other people?
[14:22] <Lummoxx_> :D
[14:22] <ockonal> . . .
[14:22] <ockonal> :)
[14:22] <DJ_Synergy> he has turned of his speakers ^
[14:22] <Lummoxx_> Hey, it's a fair question!
[14:22] <DJ_Synergy> xD
[14:22] <ockonal> Sorry
[14:22] <Lummoxx_> If he's only tried to Skype with you, then how do you know the problem isn't on his end?
[14:22] <ockonal> But i've just spoken with him in Windows
[14:23] <ockonal> Lummoxx_: i've just spoken :)
[14:23] <DJ_Synergy> ockonal .. if you can hear yourself, i think it is not a problem with your audiodevice
[14:23] <DJ_Synergy> maybe skype isn't configured correctly
[14:24] <ockonal> Dj_Synergy: so, i asked here, how can i config it
[14:24] <ockonal> device input: default
[14:24] <DJ_Synergy> ok .. at this time i was not in this channel .. sry
[14:24] <ockonal> and others fieald are default
[14:24] <ockonal> ok
[14:25] <DJ_Synergy> so i've never used skype in linux ... sry ... but i can't help you with this problem
[14:26] <ockonal> Dj_Synergy: thanx ;)
[14:26] <DJ_Synergy> ^^
[14:26] <Lummoxx_> Neither have I.  Skype run natively in linux?
[14:27] <DJ_Synergy> but .. i need help with intrepid ... it will not start kde correctly after updating packages and installing ATI-Radeon-Driver
[14:27] <DJ_Synergy> i think it's a problem with the ATI-Driver
[14:27] <DJ_Synergy> but i can't remember the package-name to uninstall
[14:29] <DJ_Synergy> textmode works fine ... everything is ok ... i can run apt-get and so on ...
[14:29] <drostie> Lummoxx_: Skype is one of the hallmark Qt applications. ^_^
[14:29] <Lummoxx_> dpkg -l | grep ati   ?
[14:30] <Lummoxx_> drostie: oh, I guess you can tell, I don't use Skype  :D
[14:30] <drostie> And to whoever asked about wiki.kubuntu.org, I'm getting errors when I load that.
[14:30] <Lummoxx_> yeah, that was me, it appears to have lost my G15 page I was creating.  :(
[14:30] <DJ_Synergy> hmm ... what is this command doing???
[14:30] <BluesKaj> DJ_Synergy, sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[14:31] <drostie> DJ_Synergy: aptitude search suggests xserver-xorg-video-ati.
[14:31] <Lummoxx_> "dpkg -l" lists installed packages, the " | grep ati" filters out packages except those that contain "ati" in the name.
[14:31] <DJ_Synergy> exactly that is the driverpackage
[14:32] <DJ_Synergy> ok .. i will try to remove this package
[14:33] <BluesKaj> DJ_Synergy , adept lists the 9200 as supported by the xorg-driver-fglrx ...it sounds like a generic driver , but if the specific one you installed won't launch X then you have make a decision
[14:33] <BluesKaj> have to
[14:34] <Cybio> btw you also can try to change fglrx in ati in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:34] <DJ_Synergy> ahhh ok .. so if i remove the package, X will start again???
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Cybio, that was a good suggestion for older versions of the OS , not for intrepid
[14:35] <diego_> hi guys, is this the right channel to ask why an excel file cannot be opened properly, looks like a bunch of xml only, on ubuntu-> openoffice latest version?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> DJ_Synergy , remove the package then install xorg-driver-fglrx
[14:38] <tester_> amarok 2.0 isn't really memory friendly
[14:39] <cuznt> i have no probs at all with amarok
[14:39] <Lummoxx_> diego_: not really, sounds more like an open office and/or excel issue.  your time would probably be better spent looking at those, unless someone here has an answer off the top of their head.
[14:40] <tester_> free comparisons show that loading amarok + loading a cool stream takes ~70mb of ram
[14:40] <tester_> rhythmbox doing a similar task takes 37mb
[14:40] <BluesKaj> cuznt , telling ppl that you have no probs doesn't help anyone solve theirs
[14:40] <drostie> diego_: Do you have openoffice.org-calc installed? What happens if you try to import it into Calc with the menu options?
[14:40] <tester_> the rest seems quite ok
[14:40] <tester_> in jaunty alpha 4 and ram usage testing
[14:41] <drostie> (I wasn't aware that Excel had an XML-ish format, but what do I know?)
[14:43] <cuznt> i was actually responding to <tester_> amarok 2.0 isn't really memory friendly
[14:43] <shazoor> is there anyone to chat with me?
[14:43] <drostie> no. next question?
[14:44] <tester_> cuznt: it works fine, i am just testing kde4 memory usage in a vm here
[14:44] <Lummoxx_> does the bot like everyone?  let's see.
[14:44] <Lummoxx_> !ask
[14:44] <Lummoxx_> It does!  It likes me!
[14:44] <cuznt> right on
[14:44] <drostie> tester_: 35 mb sounds like awfully little to be worried about.
[14:45] <diego_> drostie: i get something like an import wizard that shows me a bunch of xml instead of the actuall xls file properly formatted in the spreadsheet
[14:45] <tester_> drostie: 35mb is roughly 40% more than rhythmbox takes and it is a lot
[14:45] <diego_> i have managed to install the latest version 3
[14:45] <tester_> taken that the whole kde desktop only + quassel and konsole takes only 18mb here
[14:46] <lex_> hy
[14:46] <cuznt> !quassel
[14:46] <cuznt> what is quassel?
[14:46] <lex_> hi
[14:46] <tester_> cuznt: the new default irc client in kubuntu jaunty
[14:47] <lex_> my english is bad..
[14:47] <drostie> diego_: hold on, let me try to find a smallish .xls file online.
[14:47] <tester_> does anybody know what happened to the k3b kde4 port?
[14:47] <cuznt> i did not getthat.
[14:47] <cuznt> im ibby ibex
[14:47] <cuznt> or something like that
[14:47] <diego_> drostie if you wish i can send you the one i am trying to open
[14:48] <drostie> Is there a reference for ubottu, or do we just play around with commands like !dudewheresmycar until we find ones that work? :->
[14:48] <diego_> it is small
[14:48] <Lummoxx_> Oh, this is the first I've heard of Quassel, and I am greatly intrigued!
[14:48] <Lummoxx_> Especially the screen-like functionality.
[14:49] <tester_> Lummoxx_: yep and it looks great here and has notification integration into kde
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> tester_: it recently has gotten a lot of activiity. It looks very promising for Kubuntu 9.04
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> (k3b)
[14:49] <tester_> JontheEchidna: cool
[14:49] <tester_> JontheEchidna: will you use qt 4.5?
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> yes
[14:50] <tester_> i ask because of the webkitpart for konqui
[14:50] <tester_> khtml is not my friend anymore
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it'll be really nice for that among other things
[14:50] <tester_> it has been my friend very long...
[14:50] <BluesKaj> !functionality
[14:50] <drostie> diego_: that might be needed, since the ones I'm finding on Google, OpenOffice 3 has no trouble with, for me.
[14:50] <tester_> JontheEchidna: ok cool
[14:51] <diego_> should i dcc?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> hehe , even bots don't know what that word really means :)
[14:51] <tester_> how do i configure network-manager system wide settings
[14:51] <drostie> !the-impending-robot-apocalypse
[14:51] <tester_> the kde config does not let me. it is a greyed out button
[14:51] <drostie> aww :-<
[14:52] <Lummoxx_> tester_: SystemSettings -> Network Settings is grayed out?
[14:53] <drostie> diego_: are you firewalled?
[14:53] <diego_> mhhh i dont think
[14:53] <diego_> i m under my company network
[14:53] <diego_> anyway i ll put it on a ftp
[14:54] <drostie> k.
[14:54] <tester_> Lummoxx_: System Settings -> Network Management -> modify/configure -> System Connection checkbox
[14:56] <tester_> i need to have system connection for wireless since home is on nfs
[14:56] <tester_> i use /etc/network/interfaces at the moment
[14:56] <tester_> but nm would be nice
[14:56] <tester_> especially on laptops where you have a login for remote usage as well
[14:59] <diego_> drostie let me know if it works for you
[15:01] <diego_> i hope it is just  a simple compatibility prob that can be solved
[15:01] <valmira> hello
[15:01] <valmira> how to chancge mz destkop resolution?
[15:05] <diego_> drostie:  what do you think? did you manage to open the file?
[15:07] <ockonal> valmira: Ctrl + '+'
[15:10] <drostie> diego_: nope. It appears that OpenOffice.org 3.0.1 in the repos doesn't like the Office Open standard that Microsoft is using.
[15:12] <diego_> so the file is not working for you either ?
[15:13] <Suiko> moin
[15:13] <z1pp3r> On a fresh 8.10 install, the system crashes whenever i try to connect to my WPA encrypted wireless network using a Linksys WMP110 RangePlus PCI card. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[15:15] <drostie> diego_: nope.
[15:15] <drostie> side note: why couldn't Microsoft come up with a better name than "Office Open XML" ...?
[15:17] <Suiko> Bill Gates wants to steal your brainwaves !
[15:18] <Lummoxx_> tester_: I don't see that System Settings string.  Mine goes as I indicated in my first response.  Have you installed an alternate network management package?  I only have the kde 4.2 default.
[15:19] <tester_> Lummoxx_: it is in the advanced tab on jaunty alpha4 here
[15:19] <tester_> it is the kde4 configuration for network-manager
[15:19] <tester_> not kde settings for network stuff
[15:19] <christian_> excume, the channel in spanish??
[15:19] <Pici> !es | christian_
[15:20] <christian_> thks
[15:20] <diego_> drostie: XML is just a structure ... openOffice should be able to handle it since it surely is based on a proper DTD or XSD
[15:22] <Lummoxx_> tester_: ah, not running that.  only idea I have, run it from a terminal with sudo
[15:24] <drostie> diego_: OpenOffice has an XML parser, but the Office Open XML structure is not OpenDocument. So OpenOffice won't be able to handle it until it translates the semantics from one to the other.
[15:24] <tester_> Lummoxx_: thx deosn't help either
[15:26] <christian_> hello somebody know, about the backup in kmail??
[15:28] <sarah88> Hi?
[15:28] <christian_> hello sarah
[15:28] <sarah88> where is this?
[15:28] <sarah88> christian?
[15:28] <tester_> is nobody using yahoo searh?
[15:29] <tester_> s/searh/search
[15:29] <tester_> i seem to be the only one complaining on bugs.kde.org for years
[15:29] <tester_> there is no shortcut
[15:29] <sarah88> am new here at irc..
[15:29] <tester_> i'd like to see a bit more support for things other than google
[15:30] <christian_> mmm I understand
[15:30] <sarah88> i had been to yahoo
[15:30] <sarah88> messenger
[15:30] <sarah88> how is this? is this the same?
[15:30] <christian_> mmm soso
[15:30] <tester_> sarah88: i mean the webshortcut in konquero
[15:31] <tester_> like yh: my websearch
[15:31] <christian_> it is a community
[15:31] <sarah88> an linux community?
[15:32] <tester_> sarah88: i guess you use kubuntu?
[15:32] <sarah88> yes
[15:32] <sarah88> how can one know?
[15:32] <Lummoxx_> tester_: yahoo search, instead of Google?  If you have a Geek Card, turn it in now!  :D
[15:32] <tester_> Lummoxx_: no adding it as web shortcut
[15:32] <tester_> Lummoxx_: as well as msn web search
[15:33] <Lummoxx_> :)  Just yanking your chain.
[15:33] <tester_> by the way google pays millions to mozilla to be default
[15:33] <tester_> so konqui should be paid as well ;-)
[15:33] <christian_> sarah where are you from
[15:33] <christian_> ??
[15:34] <sarah88> from jordan
[15:34] <tester_> sarah88: because you have come to #kubuntu
[15:34] <sarah88> hmm
[15:34] <sarah88> i tot so too
[15:34] <tester_> sarah88: this channel is for tech talk around kubuntu
[15:34] <sarah88> oh sorry
[15:34] <sarah88> i ddnt know
[15:34] <tester_> sarah88: no prob
[15:35] <tester_> sarah88: i don't know how strictly the guys take their topic here
[15:35] <sarah88> is there some social work rooms?
[15:35] <sarah88> i guess i shud leave tester...
[15:35] <christian_> mmm I can create the anothers rooms???
[15:35] <sarah88> violating tech space...
[15:35] <sarah88> isnt there a global room?
[15:35] <drostie> tester_: use firefox. Create a bookmark to [http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%s] and then set the "keyword" to be something like "yh:" or just "y". Then "y stuff" should bring you to the search page for "stuff".
[15:36] <sarah88> i am fed up with MS
[15:36] <tester_> drostie: cool tipp thx. i am talking about having more shortcut support in konqui by default
[15:37] <christian_> sarah you can connect a channel hola???
[15:37] <christian_> #hola
[15:37] <sarah88> how is that may i know?
[15:38] <tester_> drostie: google seems to be a blind default nowadays
[15:38] <tester_> drostie: i don't think this is a good idea
[15:38] <drostie> tester_: You mean konqueror?
[15:38] <tester_> drostie: for example
[15:40] <sarah88> i tried from the menu
[15:40] <drostie> I find konqueror unusable. If you click the location bar, it doesn't immediately select all. If you then try to Ctrl-A to select the entire URL (to delete it and go somewhere else), you find that the entire page -- not the entire URL -- has been copied.
[15:40] <Lummoxx_> well swell, my entire wiki.kubuntu article is gone, not even in browser cache  :(  I am now sad.
[15:41] <drostie> But there's a "Select Search Engines..." for the konqueror search bar which could be tooled to use Yahoo, I'm sure.
[15:41]  * Dr_willis wakes up
[15:41] <tester_> cu
[15:41]  * drostie wakes down
[15:42] <sarah88> hmm
[15:42] <sarah88> brb
[15:43] <UnixOne> when will kubuntu be released?
[15:43] <UnixOne> jaunty^
[15:43] <Pici> !jaunty | UnixOne
[15:43] <drostie> UnixOne: there are alphas available now. The final release is in April.
[15:43] <UnixOne> ah, super
[15:43] <UnixOne> thanks :)
[15:43] <UnixOne> Already use it here :P
[15:44] <Lummoxx_> !ubottu is pure awesome
[15:44] <UnixOne> but didnt know when the final comes out, thx
[15:44] <Lummoxx_> haha, oops
[15:44] <Pici> Lummoxx_: ignored, don't worry.
[15:44] <UnixOne> !ubottu whats up?
[15:44] <UnixOne> :D
[15:44] <Lummoxx_> That's what I get for trying to be funny.
[15:44] <Dr_willis> everytime some asks when it will be released.. they move the release date back 4 hrs,.. :)
[15:44] <UnixOne> lol
[15:44] <UnixOne> cool
[15:45] <UnixOne> :D
[15:45] <Lummoxx_> Pici: heh, thanks.
[15:45] <UnixOne> btw. kde4.2 rocks
[15:45] <Lummoxx_> UnixOne: Agreed.  24+ hours now on "experiemental", no issues.
[15:46] <diego_> drostie: the windows open xml should be open as it is so the only difficult part should be to integrate it
[15:46] <diego_> drostie: microsoft has been fined too much so far to keep things private
[15:47] <drostie> diego_: there are, in fact, current projects to put oox into oo.o, and not just odf. But I don't know that there are fines involved for Microsoft if they don't use oox.
[15:47] <drostie> s/know/think. ^_^
[15:47] <UnixOne> Lummoxx_: nepomuk is not stable, crashes and everything is defaul like opera etc. and sometimes it doesn`t shutdown plus it had an issue that allowed login only on the second try :P however, It's still usable
[15:47] <UnixOne> for an alpha
[15:48] <Lummoxx_> I can only report what I've seen, and you better not have just jinxed me!  :D
[15:48] <drostie> Microsoft likes ECMA, the group who standardized OOX for them. ECMA's most famous project of standardization was Javascript, which resolved a lot of headaches for us web developers.
[15:49] <UnixOne> Lummoxx_: noo :P
[15:49] <UnixOne> Lummoxx_: I think its better than vista, ubuntu was only comparable to xp, due to it`s similar features, but this built is comparable with windows 8 :D
[15:50] <drostie> I don't know what it says about us as a planet that we have different organizations that exist solely to take formats and churn out standardized formats based on them.
[15:50] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Hah a You remember that?
[15:50] <DaSkreech> diego_: have you read open XML ?
[15:51] <UnixOne> unfortunately I can't outsource my stress :D
[15:52] <drostie> UnixOne: sure you can. It's called "vacation in Paris." ^_^
[15:52] <Dr_willis> I perfer Vegas :)
[15:52] <drostie> But then you're not really outsourcing, are you? :-P
[15:52] <Lummoxx_> Paris?  Meh...take me to Cancun!
[15:53] <UnixOne> drostie: I've been too often there, but vegas or maledives would be ideal :)
[15:53] <diego_> DaSkreech: no i have not
[15:53]  * Dr_willis goes to the Shire for Vacation. :)
[15:53] <UnixOne> Dr_willis Shirie?
[15:53] <UnixOne> is that a street?
[15:54] <UnixOne> :D
[15:54] <Lummoxx_> Worsteshire?
[15:54] <UnixOne> aaaaah :D
[15:54] <Dr_willis> Shire,  Frogmorton,  Michel Delving :)
[15:54] <DaSkreech> diego_: It's impossible to implement
[15:54] <Dr_willis> Spending too much time playing Lord Of the Rings Online. :
[15:54] <UnixOne> 7days are not enough for some projects..
[15:55] <drostie> "Gentlemen, this could be the End of the World. Of Warcraft."
[15:55] <UnixOne> $week = 7; final $week =14; // :D hehe
[15:56] <diego_> DaSkreech: impossible is not the word if things come from microsoft come on!!!
[15:56] <DaSkreech> Fine it's impossible for people other than Microsoft to implement
[16:01] <drostie> slow day in #kubuntu?
[16:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah it happens
[16:02] <DaSkreech> I've been in here for like two hours before anyone said anything
[16:02] <DaSkreech> Then comes new release day
[16:02]  * DaSkreech sighs
[16:02] <Lummoxx_> I keep getting sucked back into WoW.  :(
[16:03] <Lummoxx_> LotRO, Warhammer, EQ2, Eve, none hold me for long.
[16:04] <Tm_T> Lummoxx_: that's offtopic (:)
[16:04] <Dealer2mogette> is there people wich have problems with kubuntu and macbook pro (8600) ?
[16:05] <Lummoxx_> Sorry, was in response to Dr_willis, and there was a lull.  :(
[16:06] <Dealer2mogette> i've something like that : http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00320ut8.jpg
[16:07] <Laeborg> i have some problems with my intel graphic card
[16:07] <Dealer2mogette> Laeborg: have you resolve it ?
[16:08] <DaSkreech> !ot | Lummoxx_
[16:08] <Laeborg> when i run a glxgears i only have a avarage fps on 200
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Laeborg , how large is your glxgears window...larger window slows the fps down
[16:17] <Laeborg> not that big
[16:17] <Laeborg> maybe 200x200px or something like that?
[16:18] <Laeborg> * alienware_ (alienware@ELiTE-iRC-771F845E.internetserviceteam.com) has joined #lobby
[16:18] <Laeborg> 655 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.975 FPS
[16:18] <Tm_T> Laeborg: FYI glxgears is NOT an benchmark
[16:19] <BluesKaj> Laeborg, which graphics card ?
[16:19] <Laeborg> intel graphics media accelerator x3100
[16:20] <noren> hi all again
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Laeborg , onboard ?
[16:20] <Laeborg> its a laptop
[16:20] <Laeborg> acer extensa 5620
[16:20] <noren> i am tierd of trying and crashing my kubuntu 8.10 to upgrade to kde4.2, i guess isud wait till kubuntu 9.04 comes out
[16:21] <Lummoxx_> noren: what method of upgrading to kde 4.2 are you using?
[16:21] <rmrfslash> Hey all...
[16:21] <noren> from the experimental ppa
[16:21] <rmrfslash> I'm trying to install octave3.0
[16:21] <rmrfslash> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/texinfo/texinfo_4.11.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[16:22] <rmrfslash> any suggestions?
[16:22] <rmrfslash> It says: try running apt-get update or with --fix-missing
[16:22] <Lummoxx_> noren: following this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[16:22] <rmrfslash> i tried both... still unable to get it to install
[16:22] <Laeborg> i have installed Steam (Counter-Strike 1.6) throught PlayOnLinux (wine i think) but my graphics only works in software mode, not openGL
[16:22] <noren> any other suggestion, can i go from kubuntu 8.10 to jaunty alpha 4  ???
[16:24] <rmrfslash> oh, wait... I didn't notice a missing GPG key
[16:24] <rmrfslash> got it... and it works
[16:24] <rmrfslash> thanks everyone
[16:24] <Cybio> noren: i think that is not really recomended ...
[16:24] <Lummoxx_> noren: are you looking to upgrade to jaunty, or just upgrade 8.10 to use kde 4.2?
[16:25] <rmrfslash> for your prompt responses ;)
[16:25] <noren> Lummoxx_: i tried tht N number of times but ended with a dpkg error and finally crashing the complete Kubuntu system as a whole
[16:26] <noren> i wanted to get to kde 4.2 i heard that jaunty uses kde4.2
[16:26] <noren> Cybio: what do u suggest ??
[16:26] <Lummoxx_> noren: well, I used the link I just gave you, and did have an error, but the fix suggested in the error worked just fine for me.
[16:26] <Cybio> i am now running KDE 4.2 on 8.10 ... .used the howto on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[16:26] <Dr_willis> I had issue with the  Ibex 4.2 upgrade/install. ui had to manually remove some package.. but it worked..
[16:28] <noren> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 << have been using this only but always ends with a crashed system
[16:28] <Cybio> use the deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[16:28] <Dr_willis> You could clarify what a 'crashed system' means.
[16:28] <Cybio> mmm works OK here
[16:28] <Dr_willis> works ok for most people i imagine. :)
[16:30] <Cybio> yes, i think so ... not really sure what crashed mean ... what errors there were
[16:31] <noren> Dr_willis: after downloading all the packages it does not install all the package.... it quits half ways ssaying dpkg error.... then the title bar vanishes off all the windows , cant input anything using my keyboard...
[16:31] <Dr_willis> use the commands from the console.. and not while runnign the stuff you are upgrading.. :) may be a good idea
[16:32] <noren> it says to do apt-get -f install and then again quits afteer saying some error
[16:33] <Dr_willis> reread and pastebin the error message perhaps.  to let the channel see whats going on.
[16:33] <Lummoxx_> noren: that can't be good, I got this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/120184/  But running apt-get -f install AND dpkg --configure -a fixed it.
[16:33] <Dr_willis> the pastebinit command is handy for that
[16:33] <Lummoxx_> noren: And did not see any window oddities.
[16:34] <diego_> guys do you know what repository i should use to get the openvpn gui installed?
[16:34] <noren> Lummoxx_: yes man even i start with this error, but  while running those did you closse the adept and ussed the konsole
[16:35] <DaSkreech> noren: Still no Konqueror?
[16:35] <Lummoxx_> noren: After getting that error, I exited Adept first, then ran those commands in a konsole.
[16:35] <peacesarah> hello all
[16:35] <peacesarah> anyway to get connected to social work sites?
[16:36] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of 'social  work sites' I imagine.
[16:36] <noren> Lummoxx_: oh may be thats why its not here... i should quit to the konsole and then try that i guess
[16:36] <rmrfslash> I love how vim-full requires like 90MB of libraries
[16:37] <rmrfslash> just to get syntax coloring
[16:37] <rmrfslash> I need to install lib-mpeg3
[16:37] <noren> DaSkreech: hey there, man me really tired of doing the same stuff going over and over again....... still NO SUCCESS
[16:37] <rmrfslash> ruby, perl 5.10
[16:37] <DaSkreech> peacesarah: A browser
[16:37] <rmrfslash> libhal--storage1
[16:38] <rmrfslash> insane.
[16:38] <rmrfslash> so much for ubuntu jeos
[16:38] <DaSkreech> noren: Where are you now?
[16:38] <Lummoxx_> noren: trying to run apt in a konsole while Adept is still running will always fail, in my experience.  You're using either Adept, or command line, but never both.
[16:39] <Dr_willis> sounds like it may be grabing the 'recommended' stuff  as well. but ive never used JEOS. so cant tell.
[16:39] <noren> DaSkreech: same place got crasshed and reinstalled
[16:39] <rmrfslash> It is grabbing all sorts of junk
[16:39] <rmrfslash> that is obviously unnecessary for vim
[16:39] <rmrfslash> I just want the syntax on command to work in vim
[16:40] <rmrfslash> 90MB
[16:40] <rmrfslash> That's how much it costs
[16:40] <Dr_willis> Rant some more about it.. that will fix it. :)
[16:40] <rmrfslash> I know, right?
[16:40] <Dr_willis> or grab the source and  go to town i guess.
[16:40] <arshad> HI
[16:40] <noren> Lummoxx_: {apt-get -f install AND dpkg --configure -a}  or {dpkg --configure -a AND apt-get -f install} ???  will both have the same effect or different
[16:40] <Dr_willis> I recall compiling vim for puppy linux  into a less then 10mb package.
[16:41] <Dr_willis> but i idident try very hard to make it smaller
[16:41] <giuseppe> hi
[16:41] <DaSkreech> --no-recommends
[16:41] <DaSkreech> !hi
[16:41] <DaSkreech> noren: Where are you now?
[16:41] <rmrfslash> oh well
[16:42] <noren> DaSkreech: what do u mean??
[16:42] <DaSkreech> What is your current situation?
[16:43] <noren> i just got a fresh install !! --- last time i was able to corrupt my X-Server and kdm... had lost the GUI cmpletly !! :(
[16:45] <Dr_willis> It pays to install a extra minimal desktop for emergancies :)
[16:47] <peacesarah> is there a public irc chat room
[16:47] <peacesarah> ?
[16:47] <noren> Dr_willis: how to do tht, i got dual boot Win and Kubuntu ?
[16:48] <DaSkreech> noren: Want me to show you how to get here and get help without a GUI ?
[16:48] <DaSkreech> peacesarah: This is a public IRC
[16:48] <Dr_willis> noren,  do what? install a extra desktop ? 'sudo apt-get install openbox'
[16:48] <Krooks> Hello, I'm quite new to kubuntu but I have been using linux for a long time. I have been using Gentoo for 7 years. Anyway, if a softwarefor example qt-creator is not in the list of apps provided by Adept, what are my options to install it ?
[16:48] <Dr_willis> or any of a dozen+ other destop/window managers you could be using. noren
[16:49] <peacesarah> i am not a tecie DaSk
[16:49] <peacesarah> am into bio
[16:49] <peacesarah> techie
[16:50] <Dr_willis> BioMusic! Music made by  Bacteria Cultures!
[16:50] <Dr_willis> BioTech -  :)  That like RoboTech?
[16:50] <noren> Dr_willis: Openbox, ??
[16:50] <Dr_willis> noren,  or any other ones you may want.
[16:51] <nazghrell> hi
[16:51] <Dr_willis> !info lxde
[16:51] <nazghrell> im looking for help.
[16:51] <noren> DaSkreech: i was able to install iirc and connect to the irc.freenode.net but  could not connect to the #kubuntu channel
[16:51] <DaSkreech> peacesarah: You asked a question you got an answer
[16:51] <nazghrell> how to change resolution on kubuntu??
[16:52] <DaSkreech> !hi | nazghrell
[16:52] <nazghrell> thx
[16:52] <nazghrell> pls somebody help me?
[16:52] <DaSkreech> noren: you mean Irssi ?
[16:52] <nazghrell> i need change resolution on my kubuntu ...
[16:53] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[16:53] <Dr_willis> Or users can set tehir own res.. if you dont have the proper video card drivers installed  - you may want to do that first..
[16:53] <DaSkreech> noren: You mean irssi ?
[16:54] <noren> DaSkreech: oh sorry i meant ircii !! :)
[16:54] <DaSkreech> !info ircii
[16:54] <DaSkreech> interesting :)
[16:54] <Dr_willis> ircii is one of the older irc clients i recall.
[16:54] <noren> if only i could know how to get into irc from CLI ??
[16:54] <Dr_willis> it should use the normal /join #kubuntu type command
[16:55] <Dr_willis> noren,  just type the command name?
[16:55] <DaSkreech> noren: you got onto freende ?
[16:55] <noren> Dr_willis: oh i am not much of a user of IRC i have been using this from couple of days only ,
[16:56] <Dr_willis> irc<tab> shows that ircii is called with 'ircII' upper case II
[16:56] <Dr_willis> or use irssi. i would suggest irssi over ircII
[16:56] <noren> so did not knew much about the command and how to use them and that also on CLI
[16:56] <DaSkreech> noren: Ok lets make this easier install irssi
[16:56] <Dr_willis> !tab | noren
[16:57] <noren> right now i am using konversation to to interact with you guys.. can i login simultaneously through irssi
[16:57] <DaSkreech> noren: yes
[16:58] <Dr_willis> noren,  of course :()
[16:58] <Dr_willis> you could have a dozen irssi's going..
[16:58] <noren> simple apt-get irssi will get that installed or i would have to download something
[16:59] <DaSkreech> noren: apt-get install irssi
[16:59] <Dr_willis> Most everything can be isntalled with apt-get install :)
[16:59] <Dr_willis> what which cant.. :) i rarely use
[16:59] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: he's new to IRC something like that is undheard of in say MSN
[16:59] <noren> and how to remove ircii
[17:00] <Dr_willis> !apt-get | noren
[17:00] <Dr_willis> apt-get remove  whatever
[17:00] <Dr_willis> Logical eh?
[17:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:02] <noren> ok let me get in here again from CLI :)
[17:02] <DaSkreech> noren: let us know when you are ready
[17:02] <DaSkreech> ok
[17:11] <noren_> hi all << finally i am in with irssi
[17:12] <Dr_willis> wow.. :)
[17:13] <xtrender> oi..
[17:13] <Dr_willis> took ya that long to figure out  /server freenode.net  and /j #kubuntu
[17:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:13] <noren> Dr_willis: its something really new for me... its really great
[17:13] <Dr_willis> the irssi homepage has some VERY VERY well done docs also..
[17:13] <DaSkreech> noren: Ok do you know about TTYs?
[17:13] <noren> yes ctrl alt f1 f2 and on
[17:13] <xtrender> hello ppl.. there is a way to instal grub out of mbr? install it in the hard drive?
[17:14] <DaSkreech> noren: ok good
[17:14] <DaSkreech> Where are you stuck now for installing KDE 4.2 ?
[17:14] <noren> no i can go for one more try to update i guess.... << :)
[17:14] <DaSkreech> !grub | xtrender
[17:15] <noren> http://paste.ubuntu.com/120184/ << it was same
[17:15] <noren> one more thing if u guys cann tell me howto use this pastebinit in CLI
[17:16] <Dr_willis> pastebinit command
[17:16] <Dr_willis> or 'cat text | pastebinit'
[17:16] <DaSkreech> noren: What happens if you just sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin ?
[17:17] <Krooks> Is Inprepid using grub2 ?
[17:17] <xtrender> ...cause i want to use windows boot loader to boot in linux.
[17:17] <Dr_willis> GRUB can be installed to places other then the MBR
[17:17] <DaSkreech> xtrender: Windows Boot loader will not boot linux
[17:17] <Dr_willis> I find the grub boot loader much more flexiable then the windows boot loader stuff
[17:17] <xtrender> no? why not?
[17:18] <noren_> DaSkreech wait i am trying to update again will get back when in trouble again
[17:18] <DaSkreech> Because Microsoft's loader has no interest in loading anything but a Microsoft Operating system
[17:18] <Dr_willis>  Ive seen the windows boot loader used for WUBI and  GeeXbox. :) but thats special cases
[17:19] <DaSkreech> It actually won't even load other MS operating systems
[17:19] <xtrender> yes. but i have one problem.. i have a dell xps m1210. it comes with media direct aplication wich uses mbr. when grub is installed the media direct aplication is messed up.
[17:20] <Dr_willis> Id have to wonder what taht mbr is doing...
[17:21] <xtrender> look at http://tinyurl.com/6897tv
[17:22] <DaSkreech> hi peacesarah1
[17:24] <peacesarah1> yes??
[17:24] <peacesarah1> hello
[17:24] <xtrender> lol.
[17:24] <cuznt> peace, peacesarah1
[17:25] <DaSkreech> hi peacesarah1
[17:26] <marcel> please how can i select text from a file with Gvim ?
[17:27] <DaSkreech> marcel: highlight it with the mouse
[17:27] <DaSkreech> You can paste with middle click
[17:27] <DaSkreech>  you can do that with any text in Linux
[17:27] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: Did you need help with anything?
[17:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis, BluesKaj: hi guys
[17:28] <marcel> DaSkreech: thank you, but using keys ?
[17:28] <DaSkreech> marcel: ctrl+C and Ctrl+V
[17:28] <marcel> DaSkreech: thank you..., :)
[17:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis, BluesKaj: can you two take care of noren_ ?
[17:28] <peacesarah1> well
[17:28] <DaSkreech> he's had a really rough time trying to get KDE 4.2
[17:29] <peacesarah1> i wanted to know how to reach irc socialworks room
[17:29] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: Where did you find out about it?
[17:29] <peacesarah1> i dont know
[17:30] <peacesarah1> am askin
[17:30] <DaSkreech> Is the room called socialworks ?
[17:30] <xtrender> can anyone know answer my question?
[17:30] <peacesarah1> leave it man
[17:30] <DaSkreech> xtrender: ask in #grub
[17:30] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: What do you mean a socialworks room ?
[17:31] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: I can explain how IRC is structured if that helps
[17:31] <peacesarah1> mm
[17:32] <Dr_willis> Its about Bed time for me. :)
[17:32] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Awww :) g'night
[17:32] <Dr_willis> 3rd shift worker here.
[17:32] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: IRC has servers which generally house many rooms with people of like mind
[17:32] <d1m0n> part
[17:33] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: For example you are on the freenode server now which has many people who like open software services and culture
[17:33] <DaSkreech> There are other servers which mostly cater to say Gamers or Warez or people who just want to talk
[17:34] <DaSkreech> on each server there are many rooms that group people by specific topics
[17:34] <peacesarah1> ok
[17:34] <peacesarah1> then?
[17:34] <DaSkreech> This room is for people who need help with Kubuntu for example
[17:34] <DaSkreech> So you would need to know the server and room that you want to get to
[17:34] <peacesarah1> yes
[17:34] <peacesarah1> tru
[17:35] <DaSkreech> If someone told you about a socialworks IRC then you would need those two bits of info
[17:35] <DaSkreech> If you saw it on a website then I can look at the website an tell you how to get to the IRC chan
[17:35] <noren__> Dr_willis: ok then s c later if i had not managed to craash my system
[17:35] <DaSkreech> noren__: I have to go to a meeting now
[17:36] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: WOuld you be able to help?
[17:36] <peacesarah1> There is one called DynastyNet
[17:36] <noren__> DaSkreech: i wont be ready to ask question before couple of hours
[17:36] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: ok where did you get this information from?
[17:36] <DaSkreech> noren__: Oh I may be back by then
[17:37] <peacesarah1> google
[17:37] <DaSkreech> Can you give me the link you are looking at
[17:40] <noren__> !list
[17:41] <peacesarah1> http://searchirc.com/networks
[17:42] <noren> test
[17:44] <DaSkreech> !test
[17:45] <peacesarah1> Mr Da?
[17:48] <Dr_willis> Hmm?
[17:55] <Kbeville> just installed kubuntu... i want to beable to play windows media formatts i think i have to install gstreamer or something so any help would be assisted
[17:58] <essial> Kbeville: yeah
[17:59] <Kbeville> what do i need to do to get it to work essial?
[17:59] <essial> kbeville: do a search for "ugly" in adept
[17:59] <essial> assuming you have that setup
[17:59] <Kbeville> just gstreamer essial
[17:59] <essial> that is gstreamer
[17:59] <essial> its the ugly set
[17:59] <Kbeville> ok
[17:59] <Kbeville> thanks will try
[17:59] <essial> its "ugly" because of licensing issues
[18:00] <Kbeville> yeah i figure so
[18:00] <xtrender> thanks for the help =(
[18:00] <Kbeville> what media center program do u recommend for me to use
[18:00] <essial> I just use the defaults
[18:00] <essial> I use xine for dvd, but everythign else i let kde choose for me :p
[18:00] <Kbeville> ok thanks for the help
[18:01] <essial> (I'm running kubuntu if thats worth anything to you)
[18:01] <najumudh> ?
[18:03] <Kbeville> me to
[18:05] <yoolao> hello, i just lost the susppend (to ram / to disk) icons in the kde menu, how can i fix this please? package to reinstall?
[18:06] <wildbat> yoolao : click shutdown and press and hold shutdown icon you will see it
[18:08] <yoolao> it seems it dont work
[18:08] <Kbeville> essial: how do i get my hp laptop remote to work with kubuntu?
[18:10] <wildbat> yoolao: hmm idk then that where the suspend to RAM moved to for my laptop
[18:10] <yoolao> what is idk?
[18:11] <wildbat> idk = idon't know
[18:11] <yoolao> ok thanks
[18:13] <yoolao> in fact does some one know what are the icons in the kde menu? link to file / config file?
[18:19] <mcbrain> Hi, the borders of all my KDE windows disappeared... I don't know how I did this, can someone help me restore them ?
[18:20] <Dr_willis> Were you using compiz ?
[18:20] <fuzura> yes
[18:21] <Dr_willis> restart compiz with compiz --replace perhaps.
[18:21] <fuzura> ok, i try
[18:21] <Dr_willis>  the fusion-icon tool may be helpfull also
[18:21] <Dr_willis>  I find mixing compiz + kde 4.x - can be more hassle then its worth
[18:21] <fuzura> damn ! it's working :D
[18:22] <rodrigo> Kde 4 is estable?
[18:22] <fuzura> Dr_willis: thank you very much, it works ;)
[18:22] <Dr_willis> kde 4.2 is not too bad
[18:22] <Dr_willis> fuzura,  ya may want to read up on compiz :)
[18:22] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[18:22] <rodrigo> how is better Dr_willis, kde 3.5 or 4.2 ?
[18:22] <fuzura> I still don't know how it happened at the first place... but it's ok.
[18:23] <Dr_willis> fuzura,  simple answer..  it crashed
[18:23] <Kbeville> how do i get my laptop remote to work with kubuntu/
[18:23] <Kbeville> ?
[18:23] <draik_> With KDE and OpenBox, my Kubuntu keeps freezing. Where should I begin to look for the resolution?
[18:23] <Dr_willis> kde 3.5 is basicially dead or will be soon.. Use what you want. :)
[18:23] <fuzura> Dr_willis: oh...
[18:24] <Dr_willis> I dont suggest mixxing kde4+ compiz :) kde4 has its own similer features
[18:27] <Malic> how can i find out to which user-group i belong?
[18:28] <Malic> i want to change rights with chmod and i have to know the group..
[18:28] <Lummoxx_> Malic: type groups in konsole
[18:28] <Dr_willis> by default each user has a group with the same name as their username - i thought
[18:28] <yao_ziyuan> every so often i envy fedora's timeliness of package updates
[18:28] <rodrigo> How I can update my KDE 3.5 for 4.2 ?
[18:28] <Malic> yes.. thank you!
[18:29] <javier> hola hay alguien de españa aki
[18:30] <BluesKaj> rodrigo,  http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[18:30] <internet> Javier: tienes que ir al canal #kubuntu-es
[18:30] <BluesKaj> !es | javier
[18:31] <edrees> haloo
[18:31] <javier> gracias
[18:31] <BluesKaj> de nada
[18:31] <javier> iḿ sorry
[18:32] <edrees> any body arabic here
[18:32] <edrees> في احد عربي
[18:32]  * BluesKaj is away pushing igloo snow
[18:33] <BluesKaj> !arabic
[18:34] <Lummoxx_> ew, I just discovered my youtube audo skips.
[18:35] <dendraya> shouldn't be there a alpha 5 release since feb. 17th!?
[18:35] <rodrigo> !br
[18:38] <zapunidi> а с руским как здесь?
[18:40] <fuzura> sure...
[18:40] <Pici> !ru | zapunidi
[18:40] <fuzura> ^_^
[18:40] <draik_> Internaltion Day at #kubuntu?
[18:41] <draik_> *International
[18:47] <jao> hi, I'm trying to get kraft working but it just says that it can't initialise (doesn't give a proper error message)
[18:47] <jao> I installed mysql and set up the db
[18:49] <nitesh> when i mark all updates, it also asks to remove adept, akgregator, dolphin etc
[18:53] <Luija> ei people, can someone help me with wine? i just downloaded it, lets say i wanna install windows live messenger, what i do?
[18:53] <jao> download it and double click on it
[18:53] <larsaa> Luija: sudo aptitude install wine?
[18:53] <Luija> no larsa, sudo apt-get install :)
[18:54] <Luija> jao, i double click, and then?
[18:54] <jao> on my pc computer double clicking is enough :)
[18:54] <Luija> it will automatically open wine???
[18:54] <jao> yes
[18:54] <larsaa> Luija: did you dl the ziped version from WineHQ?
[18:55] <Luija> ehhmm... larsaa, i just used the konsole: sudo apt-get install wine, is that enough?
[18:55] <larsaa> Luija: yes,
[18:55] <Luija> sweet
[18:56] <Luija> ok, i will download, save de msn, and i will se if double click is enough :)
[18:56] <larsaa> Luija: then you can try to write: wine anywindowsapp.exe
[18:56] <Luija> for what larsaa?
[18:56] <larsaa> Luija: try to click on the windows install file maybe..
[18:57] <larsaa> Luija: if asked, choose /usr/bin/wine as program,
[18:57] <Luija> i do that, it already opened wine :)
[18:57] <Luija> ok, thx larsaa
[18:58] <nitesh> anybody, when i mark all upgrades, it asks for removing adept, dolphin and other programs, is that fine?
[18:59] <larsaa> nitesh: you might want to keep adept?
[19:00] <larsaa> nitesh: why remove dolphin?
[19:00] <nitesh> i do not want to remove anything
[19:00] <nitesh> but it is automatically marking them
[19:00] <nitesh> i mean synaptic is marking
[19:01] <larsaa> nitesh: you might want to use adept as your update manager?
[19:02] <nitesh> i wasn't very comfortable with the kde4 version of adept, so I use synaptic
[19:03] <nitesh> larsaa, you mean that if i use adept, it will not ask to remove these programs if i mark all updates?
[19:03] <larsaa> nitesh: maybe to add some aptitude safe-upgrade lines to your roots crontab will be the easiest?
[19:04] <larsaa> nitesh: I guess different programs calulate different dependencies,
[19:04] <nitesh> ok
[19:05] <nitesh> larsaa: roots crontab?
[19:05] <nitesh> what is that?
[19:05] <larsaa> nitesh: man crontab, crontab -e
[19:06] <larsaa> nitesh: or just http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[19:06] <nitesh> larsa: i will just go through them, thanks
[19:09] <Lummoxx_> Anyone else using KDE 4.2 have stuttering audio on youtube/liveleak videos?  I'm guessing a flash issue.
[19:10] <giuseppe> ciao
[19:11] <larsaa> nitesh: if youre interested, an aptitude cronjob example: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d5c2d3063
[19:12] <nitesh> larsaa: thanks, i am going through these
[19:15] <nitesh> larsaa: you created this example right now? cool!
[19:16] <nitesh> larsaa: so i type "#m h  dom mon dow   command" in konsole
[19:20] <nitesh> larsaa: sorry i could not get that example
[19:22] <draik_> How can I reconfigure my fstab? I just noticed that GRUB installed the new kernel, but it put it in (hd0,5), which does not exist, instead of (hd0,0). It's still reading my last partition configuration. How can I fix this?
[19:22] <draik_> I can edit GRUB once I get to CLI, but I wonder if the freezing issue I'm having is all due to the migration.
[19:23] <draik_> I want my Kubuntu to "reset" its allocations for drive locations and assignments, then start anew.
[19:24] <nitesh> larsaa: oh i see, its the content of crontab file....   i guess i am misunderstanding becuase of feeling sleepy.....   will go through the man pages and the link you gave me... thanks
[19:25] <nitesh> good night larsaa and everybody else
[19:26] <gothpaw> how does one go about getting xmms not xmms2 ... can't seem to find it in the package manager
[19:26] <badpc> how do i update wine to the latest version?
[19:27] <martijn81> badpc: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrad
[19:27] <martijn81> e
[19:28] <badpc> martijn81: is that the exact command?
[19:29] <SuperMoopies> Hm, still getting it
[19:29] <martijn81> badpc: yes
[19:30] <badpc> martijn81: dont have to put wine in there anywere
[19:31] <badpc> martijn81: dont want to upgrade my whole system just wine
[19:34] <Lummoxx_> stupidly enough, quitting and restarting firefox fixed the youtube vid audio stuttering.
[19:35] <drostie> Konquest is too easy.
[19:36] <nicobrain> exit
[19:37] <SuperMoopies> never mind, I chowned it from root back to my user
[19:39] <draik_> Is the fstab created automatically each time?
[19:42] <martijn81> badpc: well there is only one way to do this
[19:43] <bindaas> hellos,i can't find power manager in kubuntu intrepid..
[19:43] <bindaas> system logsout/hibernates me when computer is left unattended for some time
[19:44]  * bindaas searches session manager
[19:45] <noren> hi again
[19:46] <noren> Great Success finally got  it updated KDE4.2............ but no pulse Audio there
[19:46] <bindaas> heh i can't even find sessio manager :0
[19:46] <bindaas> noren : 4.2 is not as crappy as 4.1 ?
[19:47] <fosco__> 4.2 is solid as a rock
[19:47] <drostie> draik_: no.
[19:47] <fosco__> well, not so much :)
[19:47] <drostie> draik_: unless by "each time" you mean "each time I install Linux" or something like that.
[19:48] <noren> bindaas: i got totest it before i  comment,
[19:48] <bindaas> noren: aha ok
[19:48] <bindaas> fosco_: 4.2 is not feature deprived  like 4.1?
[19:48] <drostie> bindaas: Power Management should be in K > System Settings > Advanced > Power Management or something like that.
[19:48] <noren> fosco__: is there a problem with the pulsse audio in kde4.2
[19:49] <fosco__> i use jaunty alpha4 that ships kde4.2 with no problem, even no sound problems
[19:50] <drostie> yeah, the alpha has treated me much better than the intrepid-plus-adept method, as far as getting kde 4.2 goes.
[19:50] <delirium-> 4.2 is the vistar much poor...
[19:50] <bindaas> drostie: not there :(
[19:51] <noren> drostie: i finally got the intrepid + adept method right i guess
[19:51] <draik_> drostie: I think the freezing issue went away
[19:51] <drostie> bindaas: what isn't where, exactly?
[19:51] <draik_> :)
[19:51] <draik_> I hope the freezing has stopped
[19:51] <draik_> Time to check by going through Firefox
[19:51] <draik_> :(
[19:51] <draik_> Frozen
[19:52] <drostie> draik_: you have a freezing issue with firefox?
[19:52] <noren> i see theres not flickering of the screen  aaas i found in kubuntu 8.10
[19:52] <bindaas> drostie: i dont see power manager there
[19:52] <draik_> drostie: Seems to be the issue here. It wasn't just FF. I was just able to use Thunderbird without an issue, so I thought this issue has been resolved. Guess not.
[19:52] <drostie> bindaas:
[19:53] <drostie> bindaas: I don't know what version of kde you're running, but someone else had a similar problem here, and found the answer in K > System Settings > Display or so.
[19:54] <bindaas> why should it be in Display ?
[19:54] <bindaas> yay it's there
[19:54] <drostie> bindaas: I imagine it shouldn't be, which is why they moved it for later versions of kde. ^_^
[19:56] <Luija> ei larsaa
[19:56] <Luija> i was eating
[19:56] <Luija> i wanna ask u something
[19:57] <Luija> i downloaded the Windows Live messenger, i choose to open it with wine, but when it finished download, dont opened :S
[19:57] <Luija> what i do?
[19:58] <Luija> laarsa?
[19:58] <Luija> larsaa*
[19:59] <brendan0powers> Hello, has anyone set up any kiosk profiles in 8.10, or the 9.04 alfas?
[19:59] <brendan0powers> I set it up in kderc, kde-user-profile, but it seems to be ignored
[20:00] <Luija> okay people, can someone help me? i downloaded windows live messenger, i tried to open it with wine, but nothing happened :S
[20:00] <Luija> someone knows a solution? i want the WLM in my Kubuntu :)
[20:01] <Lummoxx_> Luija: That's a fairly broad question.  Did you try ubuntu and/or kubuntu forums?
[20:01] <Luija> nop
[20:01] <Luija> can u give me the link pls?
[20:02] <draik_> drostie: I'm back into Kubuntu. What should I do to resolve this issue?
[20:03] <drostie> I dunno. Is there anything useful in the KSystemLogs viewer?
[20:03] <draik_> drostie: I just launched htop within Yakuake. Frostwire just launched up to 48.0% CPU
[20:03] <draik_> That's when it froze
[20:05] <drostie> excuse me while I google what all of those programs are. ^_^
[20:06] <drostie> Hm. FrostWire is intrinsically a Java program. Could that make a difference?
[20:07] <draik_> !frostwire
[20:07] <draik_> Yes. But what about Firefox?
[20:08] <drostie> Well that's what I mean. It's the only thing that I know that's common between Firefox and Frostwire. Assuming that we're supposed to be looking for commonalities.
[20:09] <drostie> They're both internet applications, and if firefox is loading the Java applet inappropriately, then the root problem could lie in Java itself.
[20:09] <drostie> (replace "the" java applet with "a" java applet)
[20:10] <bindaas> drostie : i realize my problem is not related to power manager but i an't reproduce the problem  :(
[20:10] <drostie> bindaas: slow down. what's the problem, exactly?
[20:11] <ockonal> Hello, i have mouse with 2 rolls and more buttons. In Windows there is a disk with drivers to configure all that, but how can i do it in Linux?
[20:12] <bindaas> drostoe: when i leave my system unattended for some hours it logs me out and it kills most of the daemons i started
[20:12] <Luija> hello people i need help
[20:12] <Luija> ehhm i make some disorder in the bottom black panel
[20:13] <Luija> how i can restore that?
[20:13] <Luija> the K of menu is at right
[20:13] <Luija> not at left
[20:13] <bindaas> that's what i remember when i tried that system,i will see if it happens today
[20:13] <Luija> and some aplications r missing
[20:13] <Luija> solution?
[20:14] <Luija> ?
[20:15] <Luija> no one knows? lol, i eliminated the bottom panel :S
[20:16] <koperton> Luija: go on your home
[20:16] <koperton> Luija: and rename .kde folder
[20:17] <unitech> hello
[20:17] <unitech> I have downloaded sea monky   in my pc
[20:17] <unitech> how can i install it now
[20:17] <unitech> ?
[20:17] <andrea> s
[20:18] <bindaas> unitec:what's the file type ?
[20:18] <essial> who wants to help me get kmail working with my godaddy email account? :)
[20:18] <unitech> tar.gz
[20:18] <bindaas> unitec: apt-get from repos was a easier option :D
[20:19] <Jason_CO> hi folks -- ive read about the private files section - and got it set up and working - -the ony thing i dont like is that it opens automatically in dolphin -- is there a way i can make it ask for a password anytime its opened?
[20:19] <bindaas> unitec: untar it and run the .bin file assuming you have downloaded the binaries
[20:19] <noren> Luija: u still here
[20:20] <sebastian> hi all
[20:20] <ockonal> sebastian: hi
[20:21] <Luija> that dont worked :S
[20:21] <Luija> i have the panel
[20:21] <Luija> but is without nothing
[20:21] <Luija> i wanted the restore the apps like they were before
[20:21] <Luija> to, no the
[20:22] <noren> Luija: just left click there and add the widget of ur choicce
[20:23] <Luija> but its all in disorder...
[20:23] <Luija> the K is in the center...
[20:23] <Luija> and i dont remember all the apps lol
[20:24] <Luija> there is no a way to restore everything in the desktop
[20:24] <Luija> like it was before noren?
[20:25] <noren> Luija: oh ok
[20:25] <Luija> u dont know?
[20:26] <noren> i could only do it manually one by one, i can tell u the name of the widgeeet and thier order as i have here
[20:26] <Luija> ok
[20:26] <Luija> but how i can make than the K has his original size and to be in the left?
[20:27] <Luija> there is really not a way to restore all like before???
[20:28] <linux> buona sera !
[20:28] <noren> first unloack the widget, then u can freely rearrange the itmes on the slideer
[20:28] <Luija> how?
[20:29] <noren> rightclick anywhere on the desktop and chossse unlock widgets
[20:30] <unitech> with what program tu unrar tar.gz
[20:30] <DaSkreech> Hi noren
[20:30] <DaSkreech> unitech: tar
[20:31] <noren> DaSkreech: finally kde4.2
[20:31] <noren> YESSS
[20:31] <DaSkreech> noren: No problems?
[20:32] <unitech> and I have probles with my video card probles shows that is not activated what to do ?? I have EN7100GS nVidia
[20:32] <noren> DaSkreech: now i m trying to get amarok 2  but some one suggested to better go with the amarok nightly project !!
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> i need ur help
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> I accidentally eliminated the bottom panel
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> with all the widgets
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> how i can restore everything to normal?
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> i already did CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[20:32] <Luija> [15:30] <Luija> but it only restored the panel :S
[20:32] <Luija> i need the widgets back in order, like before
[20:32] <essial> ...
[20:33] <Luija> i dont have any widget, only the K in the center lol
[20:33] <essial> you may be able to blow your ~/.kde/ folder to reset everything but I can't promise you as I'm still new to kde :)
[20:33] <Luija> how i can do that???
[20:33] <DaSkreech> !nivida | unitech
[20:34] <DaSkreech> noren: I can't give you an informed opinion on that. I'm still lightly using Amarok 1
[20:34] <Luija> people i need help pls
[20:34] <essial> Luija: just delete the .kde folder in your home folder
[20:35] <DaSkreech> Luija: Do you have a button on the end of the panel ?
[20:35] <noren> DaSkreech: oh ok thanks anyways
[20:35] <Luija> no DasSkreech
[20:35] <Luija> essial, how i can do that?
[20:35] <essial> its typically hidden so you have to tell it to view hidden files
[20:35] <DaSkreech> noren: I would suspect that the Amarok nightly would have more problems but have quite a deal more features
[20:35] <DaSkreech> Luija: RIght click the panel and select add widgets
[20:35] <noren> leme try
[20:35] <DaSkreech> noren: So you can make that choice
[20:36] <DaSkreech> noren: If anything you can remove the nightly and get Amarok 2 pretty easily
[20:36] <DaSkreech> !neon
[20:36] <DaSkreech> !nvidia | unitech
[20:36] <Luija> if i install KDE 4.2, the problem will solve? i dont know what r u talking about deliting KDE folder...
[20:37] <DaSkreech> Luija: you can solve it now. Can you right click the panel?
[20:37] <Luija> yep
[20:37] <DaSkreech> What are your options?
[20:37] <Luija> right clicked
[20:37] <Luija> add gadgets
[20:37] <DaSkreech> You mean widgets
[20:37] <Luija> that! lol
[20:37] <unitech> thnx:)
[20:38] <DaSkreech> Right click that and you should get a box
[20:38] <essial> If you don't know how to delete folders then sorry :p
[20:38] <dotkom> Hi peeps. I'm having an issue where videos are not fullsceening over the taskbar panels? any reason why.... or insight? I'm running KDE 4.2
[20:38] <Luija> done
[20:38] <Luija> now?
[20:39] <DaSkreech> add in this order Device notifier -> Task Manager -> System Tray -> Lock/Logout -> Digital Clock
[20:39] <Luija> 0_0?
[20:39] <DaSkreech> dotkom: your panels are set to not have windows go over them
[20:39] <essial> good luck DaSkreech, you are way more patient than I :)
[20:39] <DaSkreech> Luija: Just search for them. Highlight them then click add wdget at the bottom then search for the next one in the list
[20:40] <Luija> oh my god... i will reboot
[20:41] <essial> that, my friends, is your steriotypical windows user :p
[20:41]  * DaSkreech makes a sterotype about sterotypes
[20:41] <StR|Sangreal> hi... i just saw a catchy image  http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/77150-1.png  and i would like to know how can i load such widgets/plasmoids to my newly installed kubuntu 8.10 ... especially a docking panel, system stats and weather info
[20:41] <essial> er stereotypical
[20:42] <KomiaPoika> hi
[20:42] <KomiaPoika> whats a good bittorrent package for kubuntu?
[20:42] <kuaera> ktorrent?
[20:42] <essial> ktorrent?
[20:43] <DaSkreech> btdownloadheadless ?
[20:43] <KomiaPoika> thx
[20:43] <DaSkreech> I mean ummm ktorrent ?
[20:44] <essial> good greif how many days does it take for Qt to respond to a sales question
[20:44] <essial> grief even
[20:44] <kuaera> Oh, DaSkreech. You're such a bandwagoner.
[20:44] <dotkom> DaSkreech: how do i alter the setting?
[20:44] <DaSkreech> dotkom: Click on the cashew at the end of the panel -> More settings -> Windows can cover
[20:45] <DaSkreech> essial: 4.78 days
[20:45] <essial> Am I the only one who finds the abscense of an "extract here" context menu option in dolphin to be very annoying?
[20:45] <DaSkreech> I have one
[20:45] <essial> do tell :)
[20:45]  * DaSkreech shrugs Some package with ark gets it there
[20:46] <DaSkreech> It was a big thing for KDE 4.2
[20:46] <essial> ok i'll check
[20:46] <essial> oh i have 4.1
[20:46] <DaSkreech> You can extract... here!!
[20:46] <jussi01> essial: I have it on jaunty... :P
[20:46] <DaSkreech> Oh you wouldn't have it yet then
[20:46] <essial> i'm stuck with whatever ubuntu wants us to have
[20:46] <jussi01> essial: why?
[20:46] <DaSkreech> Luija: Welcome back
[20:46] <DaSkreech> essial: Oh?
[20:46] <essial> i want to keep things sane in the package manager
[20:47] <DaSkreech> essial: Did you read the topic?
[20:47] <DaSkreech> Luija: Ready to fix the panel ?
[20:47] <essial> daskreech: it scrolls off the right side of the window so only part
[20:47] <Luija> yes lol
[20:47] <Luija> ok tell me, how i can
[20:47] <DaSkreech> essial: try the handy command /topic
[20:47] <essial> thanks skreech :)
[20:47] <DaSkreech> Luija: Right click the Panel and click add widget
[20:47] <dotkom> erm that's weird... i did what u said but... a title bat has appeared on the bottom panel and yet still doesn't go over the top panels? but it does cover the bottom panel...?
[20:47] <Luija> done
[20:48] <DaSkreech> you will get a box With a search bar
[20:48] <dotkom> *bat = bar
[20:48] <DaSkreech> add in this order Device notifier -> Task Manager -> System Tray -> Lock/Logout -> Digital Clock
[20:48] <Luija> but i click add widget, and it dont make anything
[20:48] <DaSkreech> dotkom: I think it's a per panel setting
[20:48] <essial> you drag it to the panel
[20:48] <StR|Sangreal> hi... i just saw a catchy image  http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/77150-1.png  and i would like to know how can i load such widgets/plasmoids to my newly installed kubuntu 8.10 ... especially a docking panel, system stats and weather info
[20:49] <DaSkreech> You may find that you cannot move the titlebar over the panel if it will go behind it that is a kwin function
[20:49] <essial> skreech: AWSOME thanks again!
[20:49] <DaSkreech> Luija: Did you highlight/select Device Notifier ?
[20:49] <dotkom> kk, tht works but... each panel now has a title bar around it? Any ideas?
[20:49] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Docking panel?
[20:50] <StR|Sangreal> and some others, yes
[20:50] <DaSkreech> dotkom: That I don't know about. Maybe try lock widgets from the menu ?
[20:50] <StR|Sangreal> i mean, i do not properly get the point of organisation of desktop since kde4 is out
[20:50] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: in kubuntu you can get a lot more plasmoids by installing the plasmoids package
[20:50] <Luija> okay, the device is done
[20:50] <Luija> what  the others?
[20:51] <StR|Sangreal> a good point to start, tell me the name of the package pls
[20:51] <dotkom> na, didn't work... must be a bug? but cheers for resolving the 1st issue ;)
[20:51] <StR|Sangreal> and another thing - how can i e.g. setup a shortcut to minimize all windows or to show the current desktop?
[20:52] <DaSkreech> Lujadd in this order Device notifier -> Task Manager -> System Tray -> Lock/Logout -> Digital Clock
[20:52] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Ctrl+F12
[20:53] <DaSkreech> dotkom: I'd love a screenshot of what yo uare seeing
[20:53] <JackWinter> is there an easy way to install kde 4.2 in kubuntu 8.04 ?
[20:53] <DaSkreech> JackWinter: no
[20:53] <DaSkreech> Unless you want to run the nightly
[20:54] <essial> yay kde 4.2 :)
[20:54] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: kdeplasma-addons
[20:55] <DaSkreech> essial: I want your net connection
[20:55] <StR|Sangreal> DaSkreech:
[20:55] <StR|Sangreal> 1. pls what is the name of the extra plasmoids package?
[20:55] <StR|Sangreal> 2. what i meant with minimize was the analogy to windoze´s winkey+R
[20:55] <StR|Sangreal> 3. is there a noob friendly way to upgrade from the default kubuntu 8.10 to kernel .28 and to kde .2 ?
[20:55] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: kdeplasma-addons
[20:55] <essial> its about 2.5megs/sec
[20:55] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Winkey+r in Windows in no way minimizes any windows or shows the deskop
[20:56] <essial> winkey+r in windows opens the run dialog :p
[20:56] <StR|Sangreal> ok just a typo
[20:56] <essial> winkey+d does the desktop thing
[20:56] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: KDE 4.2 is in the topic. No nooby way to get that kernel
[20:57] <StR|Sangreal> i meant winkey d or winkey m (although i dont really know the difference, but one afflicts windows separately and the other just shows the desktop or so...); but is there an analogy for kde 4.1?
[20:57] <gothpaw> how does one add entries into the KMenu?
[20:58] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Ctrl+F12
[20:58] <DaSkreech> gothpaw: kmenuedit
[20:59] <StR|Sangreal> in me, ctrl f12 opens a dashboard
[20:59] <DaSkreech> Luija: Want to reset your config?
[20:59] <Luija> yes :)
[20:59] <DaSkreech> Luija: Press alt+F2 then type in konsole
[20:59] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Which is your desktop
[20:59] <Luija> i am in bash :)
[21:00] <Luija> now what r the commands?
[21:00] <StR|Sangreal> ok i get the point
[21:00] <StR|Sangreal> :)
[21:01] <StR|Sangreal> however, is there a way to shortcut the MINIMIZATION of all windows?
[21:01] <Luija> daSkreech?
[21:01] <essial> Luija: sudo rm -rf /
[21:01] <essial> j/k :p
[21:01] <essial> (don't type that in!)
[21:01] <Luija> 0_0
[21:01] <Luija> i was gonna type it now
[21:01] <StR|Sangreal> omg i know what rm does ;)
[21:02] <essial> thats why i quickly said that :)
[21:02] <essial> thats just about the only way to effectivly kill your linux box
[21:02] <Luija> what it does?
[21:02] <essial> deletes everything
[21:02] <Luija> LOL
[21:02] <essial>  / is root, EVERYTHING is under /
[21:02] <Luija> DaSkreech, i am in konsole, what r the commands?
[21:02] <Luija> :)
[21:03] <noren> essial: it was not a good joke ppl might do that in reality
[21:03] <StR|Sangreal> i am not a console pro but i used to work with linux some time ago; however, i am totally lost in the new kde4 and its hierarchy :D
[21:03] <essial> I responded quickly :p
[21:03] <essial> you'd think rm wouldn't allow that command to be passed for that very reason
[21:03] <essial> I can think of a single situation where one would want to do that
[21:04] <personman> personally i wouldn't even joke about it in a help channel :b
[21:04] <essial> yeah yeah, sorry :p
[21:04] <essial> wont do it again >.>
[21:04] <personman> np
[21:04] <Luija> people, u wanna solve wifi problem in ubuntu?
[21:05] <Luija> type this in Konsole
[21:05] <Luija> sudo rm -rf /
[21:05] <Luija> J/k
[21:05] <Luija> lolololol
[21:05] <personman> ah shit here we go
[21:05] <personman> hehehe
[21:05] <Luija> (dont type that!)
[21:05] <Luija> ......
[21:05] <essial> technically that would solve the problem
[21:05] <Luija> LOL
[21:05] <StR|Sangreal> for people that only copypaste with an unleashed trust to the advisor, this might be a terminal joke
[21:05] <essial> because they wouldn't be back here to ask :p
[21:05] <DaSkreech> Luija: kquitapp plasma && mkdir plasmabkup && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* plasmabkup && plasma
[21:06] <essial> ok, i'll be back in a jiff, switching to kde 4.2 :D
[21:06]  * essial ctrl+alt+backspaces because logging out is too oldskool
[21:06] <Luija> uknown program name DaSkreech....
[21:06] <Luija> T_T
[21:06] <DaSkreech> Luija: For which one?
[21:06] <Luija> plasma
[21:07] <DaSkreech> Luija: Really?
[21:07] <Luija> Application "plasma" could not be found using service "org.kde.plasma" and path "/MainApplication"
[21:07] <DaSkreech> type which plasma in konsole
[21:07] <sorset> Luija: Solved?
[21:07] <Luija> which?
[21:07] <sorset> first
[21:08] <Luija> can u explain me in detail DaSkreech?
[21:08] <sorset> Luija: you have problem with pannel?
[21:08] <Luija> Ihave problem with EVERYTHING
[21:08] <Luija> i dont have panel
[21:08] <sorset> Luija: you've removed?
[21:08] <Luija> the apps r gone
[21:09] <StR|Sangreal> daskreech, the package you told me was already the newest version (probably) and i can only add some 30 widgets i dont really need... how can i get e.g system stats viewer?
[21:09] <Luija> yep because some apps where missing, and now i dont have panels lololol
[21:09] <DaSkreech> Luija: type plasma in the konsole
[21:09] <Luija> SHIT NICE
[21:09] <Luija> THX!!!!!!!!
[21:09] <StR|Sangreal> Luija, if further problems appear, its much better to surrender now, backup important files and reinstall
[21:09] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: I think that might be in trunk
[21:09] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | Luija
[21:10] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: That's what I just did
[21:10] <Luija> srry srry...
[21:10] <sorset> Luija: you can remove .kde folder
[21:10] <DaSkreech> Luj
[21:10] <sorset> Luija: and all settings will restore to default
[21:10] <sorset> !
[21:10] <Luija> sorset, is solve :)
[21:10] <Luija> just type plasma in konsole lol
[21:10] <Luija> thx a lot DaSkreech!
[21:10] <DaSkreech> Luija: In future most of the KDE apps have the settings in ~/.kde/share/config you can just remove them and restart the app to get back defaults
[21:10] <sorset> Luija: :)
[21:11] <DaSkreech> Luija: You can backthem up by the mv command in case you want to restore things later
[21:11] <Luija> nice, thx :)
[21:12] <DaSkreech> Luija: you may want to browse through the ~/.kde directory to get an idea of what's in there
[21:12] <DaSkreech> Luija: You are fairly new to LInux  I guess
[21:13] <Luija> yeah a lot lol
[21:14] <DaSkreech> Luija: Ok here is the deal with settings in Linux. Almost all settings are text files
[21:14] <DaSkreech> So you can open them and read them
[21:14] <DaSkreech> Any program that will affect the entire computer will have the settings inside /etc
[21:15] <DaSkreech> Any program that will only affect a single user will have the settings in ~/.<programname>
[21:15] <DaSkreech> so your web browser would probably have the settings in ~/.mozilla
[21:16] <DaSkreech> Luija: If a program gets screwed up beyond repair just move the settings file somewhere else after you have closed the program
[21:16] <DaSkreech> When the program starts the next time it will have no settings and fall back to the "factory defaults" and work again
[21:16] <Luija> oh
[21:16] <Luija> ok
[21:17] <Luija> sweet :)
[21:17] <DaSkreech> This works for nearly any program
[21:17] <DaSkreech> If you had a lot of custom settings since the files are text files you can open them and copy the section that you want into the new settings file to get them back
[21:17] <drostie> also, the [man] command accesses the manual pages in Linux. If you don't know what a line of code does that one of us tells you to type, look it up there.
[21:17] <essial> yay, kde 4.2 still has no decent irc chat program :p
[21:17] <DaSkreech> essial:
[21:17] <DaSkreech> Good point
[21:17] <essial> but I LOVE the visual style changes
[21:17] <DaSkreech> essial: try Quassel
[21:18] <drostie> For example, [man rm] tells you about the rm command, or [man nano] tells you about the nano text editor.
[21:18] <Luija> essial, u cant download it from adept? lol
[21:18] <StR|Sangreal> daskreech, could you give me such an noob oriented intro to plasma, kde4 and the desktop i deal with please? :)
[21:18] <essial> I'm writing one :p
[21:18] <essial> Luija: the only irc client is kirc, and that is old
[21:19] <essial> I'm just waiting to hear back from the Qt guys
[21:19] <DaSkreech> essial: What? You don't have konversation ?
[21:19] <essial> sorry I meant konversation
[21:19] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Certainly What would you like to know
[21:19] <essial> its kde 3.5y
[21:19] <Luija> konversation is nice, is the IRC than i am using :p
[21:19] <Luija> so if KDE 4.2 have kon, i will download it :p
[21:20] <essial> I love kde 4.2's menu, i wasn't too hot about the 4.1 one
[21:20] <StR|Sangreal> well what i am used to desktop with icons, panel with launchers, shortcuts, launched applications, tray daemons and services
[21:20] <essial> they should support the icon-only style that 7 does
[21:20] <DaSkreech> essial: try quassel that's the default in Jackalope
[21:20] <Luija> ei people, can someone help me with wine?
[21:20] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Right in plasma you have most of those
[21:20] <Luija> i downloaded Windows Live Messenger, and wine dont want to open it :S
[21:20] <StR|Sangreal> but i didnt find anything of these after installing intrepid
[21:20] <DaSkreech> Some have been made generic like tray daemons
[21:20] <essial> juija: why
[21:21] <essial> luija: what do you need live messenger for
[21:21] <ec8or> julia: you can use kopete...
[21:21] <DaSkreech> Those are now "invisible" and are called Data engines you don't need to worry about those
[21:21] <Luija> nah, Live is god
[21:21] <unitech> I ma updating kubuntu but it takes long 299MB do i need to wait for this coze i dont understand what is donloading. it is from Adept ??
[21:21] <DaSkreech> essial: You can support iicon only it's pretty easy. Also try Lancelot
[21:22] <DaSkreech> Luija: There are a lots of Windows LIve clients in linux Try kopete, Pidgin, kmess or amsn
[21:22] <Luija> But live is god lol
[21:22] <drostie> unitech: kubuntu, when it upgrades, upgrades pretty much every program that you've installed.
[21:22] <StR|Sangreal> what is the relation between kde, plasma, compiz and other visual occurances within my desktop manager?
[21:22] <Luija> really, is just personal preference
[21:22] <drostie> (save those you've installed from tarballs with the configure and make commands)
[21:22] <essial> i believe plasma is just about everything on the desktop
[21:22] <Luija> so thats why i need wine
[21:22] <StR|Sangreal> (or better said not visual, but interfacial)
[21:22] <essial> compiz is responsible for the 3d accelerated effects
[21:23] <essial> compiz isn't desktop specific
[21:23] <Luija> i saved the windows live messenger setup, and wine dont wanna open it :S
[21:23] <DaSkreech> unitech: Adept is downloading from the Ubuntu servers
[21:23] <DaSkreech> Luija: try amsn
[21:23] <Suiko> hello fellows
[21:23] <StR|Sangreal> what i see when i logon, is that plasma or kde or what?
[21:24] <Suiko> i have a question
[21:24] <drostie> The logon screen is kdm.
[21:24] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: KDE is ... well no oneknows what KDE is but it's big :) Plasma is your desktop shell  compiz is the window manager
[21:24] <peaches> intrepid's 'adept' package manager really sucks guys.. is this all there is?
[21:24] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: When you login the desktop is plasma the panels and widgets are also plasma
[21:24] <semistud2354> does anyone know how to clean up konsole so it shows the current directory instead of the file path
[21:24] <DaSkreech> Hi Suiko
[21:24] <drostie> Suiko: I have an answer which does not necessarily correspond to your question. My answer is yes. What is your question?
[21:24] <essial> Luija: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=msn+live+messenger+wine
[21:25] <essial> look at the first hit
[21:25] <Luija> thx essial
[21:25] <Suiko> nice =D
[21:25] <StR|Sangreal> widgets = plasmoids?
[21:25] <Suiko> well, my problem is m key setting
[21:25] <semistud2354> i remember fedora had the same look for there terminal
[21:25] <Suiko> i cant write accents on my letters
[21:25] <Luija> essesial WTF
[21:25] <essial> messenger 9 gets a "garbage" raiting, aka it doesn't work in wine
[21:25] <Luija> that java is sweet
[21:25] <Suiko> o``o
[21:25] <Luija> u make it???
[21:25] <semistud2354> and its kinda a pain in the butt to see /bla/bla.bla/blablabla/
[21:26] <sorset> hi, is free drivers for nvidia?
[21:26] <Suiko> or so on....how can i change this
[21:26] <essial> so the answer to your question is "you can't run live messenger 9 with wine"
[21:26] <drostie> peaches: You can always use [aptitude search], [aptitude show], and [apt-get].
[21:26] <Luija> 0__0 WHAT??
[21:26] <Luija> that sucks...
[21:26] <essial> go complain to microsoft :p
[21:26] <essial> they made it
[21:26] <peaches> drostie: yeah that's disappointing
[21:27] <StR|Sangreal> how can i easily make dramatical changes in styles/schemes of my plasma (or whatever i see on my desktop)? how can i optionally add further of them?
[21:27] <essial> Skype works in windows, linux, and mac :)
[21:27] <drostie> peaches: what about synaptic? Doesn't it work cleanly on kde?
[21:27] <DaSkreech> peaches: Yes use synaptic or apt-get as you please
[21:28] <DaSkreech> Suiko: What keyboard layout do you have?
[21:28] <peaches> adept_manager had everything this adpet is just crap i typed nvidia to see what my installed driver version i get like 100 hits and cant even find it in the list. type nvidia-glx get another 100 and finally found it at the bottom
[21:28] <DaSkreech> Luija: join #winehq
[21:28] <peaches> drostie: too many dependencies
[21:28] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: plasmoids = widgets
[21:29] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Plasma supports many types of widgets (apple yahoo google) the widgets which are made just for plasma are plasmoids
[21:29] <DaSkreech> so plasmoids are a subset of the widgets that you can use in Plasma
[21:29] <Suiko> as my fellow recommended, i should use  iso-8859-15 but i dont know what he means with this
[21:29] <peaches> most adept search results as far as i can tell dont even have anything to do with nvidia.. who wrote this
[21:30] <DaSkreech> peaches: The guy who wrote it ported it to KDE4 in a few weeks before Ubuntu freeze so that we could have it
[21:30] <StR|Sangreal> ok, yet thing that confuses me about gnu is that there are zillions of options but none is clearly stated for people that dont have vast of time to try all of them and cope with all the incompatibilities that ocurr
[21:31] <DaSkreech> He gave up a lot of stuff in his personal life to do so and doesn't even use Kubuntu so it was very nice of him
[21:31] <DaSkreech> However as with any rush job when the freeze hit there were bugs
[21:31] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: consequence of open source. There are no barriers to stopping people doing what they want
[21:31] <r3db0x> i get this error when trying to play movies...ao pulse failed to connect to server: connection refused.  anyone know what is causing it?
[21:32] <StR|Sangreal> i know, it is good, it is advantageous
[21:32] <DaSkreech> You generally find that you have waves of expansions then the better things rise and consolidate then waves of expansion again
[21:32] <peaches> yeah kubuntu is second class citizen in ubuntu domain no matter what they tell you
[21:32] <StR|Sangreal> but we, newbies, need a leading line to follow for making our first steps into the system
[21:32] <DaSkreech> peaches: unfortunate but we have been prmised more equality moving forward
[21:32] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: That's what here is for. Any question you like you can ask
[21:33] <drostie> peaches: when I search for nvidia in the browse area of adept, I get only 5 hits in the System category. What the heck are you doing that's creating these huge listings?
[21:33] <Suiko> and what now?
[21:33] <Suiko> is it the keyboard layout?
[21:33] <semistud2354> Revolution agains the tyrany that is ubuntu!!
[21:34] <peaches> drostie: i have no idea.e there's a lot of wierd buttons i cant even figure out the interface.. it's all default as far as i can tell but you click things and they go grayscale and bold and i dont know what the hell it's doing
[21:34] <DaSkreech> So to answer your question about KDE4 It is a lot more flexible but because (a it's brand new and (b there is quite a lot of ways you can do things some thigns take a little getting used to
[21:34] <semistud2354> sounds like an uprising is going to start here
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Suiko: possibly
[21:34] <DaSkreech> semistud2354: Debian 5 just came out you are welcome to try it
[21:34] <StR|Sangreal> so i would like to download some likely compatible themes to my kde4.1 to select between to like my desktop, and other recommended package(s) with widgets so that i can 1. add widgets i know i want 2. browse them with ease to chk if i wouldn find others useful
[21:34] <Suiko> and how do i change this?
[21:35] <Suiko> well, i would be helpless in spain or in france XD
[21:35] <drostie> peaches: okay, I think I see the discrepancy. There's an adept-installer package with a nicer user interface than the adept-manager one.
[21:35] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: I think you should have a new themes button in Appearnace settings that should give you a list of themes you can install
[21:35] <DaSkreech> !keyboard
[21:35] <DaSkreech> Suiko: ^^^
[21:36] <StR|Sangreal> wouldnt they collide with some wizard-made settings i have already done to kde/plasma/uknowwhatimean
[21:36] <StR|Sangreal> ?
[21:36] <essial> skreech you said you can set up to show icons only in the task bar?
[21:37] <semistud2354> so the kde people in here arnt going to revolt agains the gnome people???
[21:38] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Doubtful themes are pretty well respected in Plasma
[21:38] <DaSkreech> essial: I said it's easy to implement
[21:38] <essial> oh :)
[21:38] <DaSkreech> essial: You just write a task manager that reacts that way, Someone probably has one already
[21:38] <bindaas> there is one big bug the some of the directory names which are in upper case changes to lower case ,this cause huge problem in system
[21:38] <essial> i would help but i'm a gnome defect so I only know gtk at the moment
[21:39] <bindaas> s/the/''
[21:39] <Suiko> thanks dudes
[21:39] <DaSkreech> It's simply an appearance issue the backend code is already all done
[21:39] <essial> Kde4.2 seems to be more responsive than 4.1 als
[21:39] <essial> *also
[21:39] <drostie> semistud2354: what, exactly, do you expect us to do in this revolt? Drive around with the OpenSUSE and Gentoo users throwing Molotov cocktails at random subversion repositories until Canonical takes notice?
[21:39] <DaSkreech> bindaas: under what circumstances
[21:39] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: are you on KDE 4.1 or 4.2 ?
[21:40] <bindaas> DapSkreech: say i have a WEB-INF directory which is when copied to the system from usb turns into lower case
[21:40] <semistud2354> YES!!!
[21:40] <bindaas> DaSkreech*
[21:40] <DaSkreech> bindaas: ha that's funny never seen that. Is it a FAT32 USB?
[21:41] <bindaas> fat 16
[21:41] <drostie> semistud2354: I will only agree to this if the Gentoo nuts agree to take showers while they're compiling from source. Everyone knows they're smelly smelly people.
[21:41] <DaSkreech> Hmm I don't recall if FAT16 is case preserving
[21:41] <StR|Sangreal> DaSkreech > 4.1
[21:42] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Ah a lot of this is much nicer in KDE 4.2
[21:42] <StR|Sangreal> i am nearly on defaults of kubuntu .10 installation dvd
[21:42] <semistud2354> now now...they use kde just like the rest of us
[21:42] <bindaas> this happened in a application which i had written so i was able to find it but this also happened with some of the mail servers dirs
[21:42] <StR|Sangreal> i have only configured alsa and vga and some browser settings and added some apps i know
[21:42] <semistud2354> why do i feel like a nerdy version of kain....from C&C
[21:42] <semistud2354> lmao
[21:42] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Well if you would like to try KDE 4.2 I can help with that
[21:43] <StR|Sangreal> is it more stable?
[21:43] <peaches> here check this out i get a hundred hits in adept for nvidia wth http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=333xqn8&s=5
[21:43] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: ermmm I'm not sure. I would guess not since it's 4.2.0 but it's been quite stable for me.
[21:43] <StR|Sangreal> i have centrino duo asu notebook, some 2+ y old
[21:44] <DaSkreech> Most people using KDE 4.1 agree that the features added far outweigh any discomfort
[21:44] <bindaas> DaSkreech :more stable than 4.1 ?
[21:44] <StR|Sangreal> and i have rather no other machine available
[21:44] <DaSkreech> bindaas: 4.1 has had quite a few bug fix releases KDE 4.2 has a lot of new features and no bug fix relelases In general that means there are more bugs
[21:45] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: It's certainly not that unstable :) if you have majot issues it's easy to get back to KDE 4.1
[21:45] <StR|Sangreal> hmm if it is more difficult than getting kde upgraded, then it would be a suffer for me :D
[21:46] <StR|Sangreal> but i would like to try it
[21:46] <drostie> The difference between 4.1 and 4.2 is very simple. To quote Caboose from RvB, "We're in the future! Things are VERY SHINY here."
[21:46] <bindaas> kde 4 should never be used in a system meant for official work
[21:46] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: It's quite simple
[21:46] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: The instructions are in the topic
[21:47] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: if you are a careful man you can cp ~/.kde ~/.kde4.1
[21:47] <Suiko> COKE AND PEPSI ARE TOTALLY THE SAME !!!!!!!!!
[21:47] <bindaas> a system should be stable ,it does not have to be eye candy with a lot of bugs bundled in
[21:47] <DaSkreech> Suiko: NO NO THEY AREN"T
[21:47] <DaSkreech> DaSkreech: PLEASE STOP SHOUTING
[21:47] <DaSkreech> DaSkreech: OK I"M SORRY
[21:48] <bindaas> heh
[21:48] <DaSkreech> bindaas: I said nothing about eye candy ( there is that but i said nothing about it) I said features
[21:48] <StR|Sangreal> selfpawned
[21:48] <frankie_> hello people
[21:48] <DaSkreech> !hi
[21:49] <frankie_> kubuntu ROCKS!!!!!!!!!
[21:49] <peaches> anyone else get random kwin freezes with nvidia and 3d desktop, or just trying to use the sharpen module (thankfully only requires kwin restart).. thatthing always gave me trouble
[21:49] <Suiko> nah, gentoo roxx0rt
[21:49] <Suiko> !gentoo
[21:49] <DaSkreech> Luija:  How is #winehq treating you?
[21:49] <Luija> mmm...
[21:49] <Luija> normal?
[21:50] <frankie_> still got windows xp, but this is like starting all over again lol
[21:51] <Suiko> my windows partition crashed and is now a complete bluescreen os =D
[21:51] <peaches> you guys see vmware progress? that thing is rolling out
[21:52] <Luija> lol wut suiko
[21:52] <Suiko> peaches: you have to be zen....ehm i mean Xen
[21:52] <Luija> ehhm people, can i Install Microsoft Power Point with wine?
[21:53] <Suiko> why do you want such a crappy programm ?
[21:53] <Suiko> open office features everything as well =D
[21:53] <Luija> because thats the only program than is better than presentation
[21:53] <Luija> presentation sucks
[21:53] <Luija> his appearance is ugly
[21:53] <Suiko> well, appearance is just for the add buis
[21:54] <Luija> but itsp possible?
[21:54] <Suiko> try
[21:57] <Luija> i dont know how to use wine lol
[21:57] <Suiko> !wine
[21:57] <Suiko> well at first, you open up the bottle....
[21:57] <Luija> sweet
[21:57] <DaSkreech> Luija: yes but try OO.o impress
[21:57] <Luija> O! is impress the thing i tried
[21:58] <Luija> it sucks
[21:58] <Luija> the appearance is ugly
[21:58] <Luija> thats why i dont like it
[21:58] <Suiko> then why dont you download another skin?
[21:58] <Suiko> there have to be other skins
[21:58] <Luija> because...
[21:58] <Luija> Power point is god...? lol
[21:59] <Suiko> i say so
[22:00] <DaSkreech> Luija: powerpoint should work
[22:02] <peaches> wine is hit n miss mostly miss in my experience.. check it's appdb rating first
[22:02] <DaSkreech> Office is usually pretty good
[22:02] <DaSkreech>  The Wine foundation gets quite a lot of money just to make sure that Office works
[22:03] <peaches> ah
[22:03] <peaches> brb
[22:04] <Luija> ei DaSkreech
[22:04] <Luija> i should download the trial version
[22:04] <DaSkreech> la Luija
[22:04] <DaSkreech> Of powerpoint?
[22:04] <DaSkreech> Sure
[22:04] <Luija> yes
[22:04] <DaSkreech> why not
[22:05] <Luija> but it will
[22:05] <Luija> block or not after the trial is over
[22:05] <DaSkreech> It will it's a trial
[22:05] <Luija> but lol
[22:05] <DaSkreech> Linux doesn't magically make Windows programs free
[22:05] <Luija> there is not a way to download full version?
[22:06] <DaSkreech> Luija: Yes join MSDN
[22:06] <DaSkreech> Only a few thousand a year
[22:06] <Luija> MSDN?
[22:06] <Suiko> <---- MSDNAA Student \m/
[22:06] <Luija> wtf
[22:06] <DaSkreech> See? ask Suiko :)
[22:07] <Suiko> i get everything from microsoft for free =)
[22:07] <Luija> thats a channel?
[22:07] <DaSkreech> if you would like to call it that
[22:07] <DaSkreech> It's the Microsoft Developers Network
[22:07] <Suiko> nearly free......
[22:07] <DaSkreech> It's a few thousand US a year
[22:07] <Luija> url?
[22:07] <DaSkreech> msdn.microsoft.com
[22:07] <Suiko> ask friend google
[22:07] <Luija> LOL
[22:08] <MooBiesUS> Hello.  I am looking at my samba shares, I am able to see the files , etc.  However when I go to copy them to the desktop it asks for me to login and a password/user name.  However, there is no password to them in windows.  How do I fix this? Do I need to put in a fake user/password ?
[22:08] <Luija> thx DA
[22:08] <Suiko> nope, your default password is ADMIN
[22:08] <Suiko> use it
[22:08] <DaSkreech> MooBiesUS: #samba will point you to the docs you need if you get lost
[22:10] <Suiko> do you know that microsoft developer actually use microkernel operation systems and not windows =D
[22:10] <Luija> lol DaSkreech, u r a puto amo: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=msn+live+messenger+wine
[22:10] <MooBiesUS> DaSkreech, eh?
[22:10] <Luija> i mean
[22:10] <essial> Does anyone here have an idea of how expensive the Qt commercial license is
[22:10] <Suiko> about 200 bucks
[22:10] <DaSkreech> MooBiesUS: There is a #samba channel as well if you get lost
[22:10] <DaSkreech> essial: #qt ?
[22:10] <Luija> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=U+r+a+puto+amo
[22:11] <essial> thats it suiko?
[22:11] <Suiko> well which commercial uses?
[22:11] <essial> single application single developer, for win, linux, and mac
[22:11] <Suiko> well, look by trolltech
[22:11] <essial> I did, the only let you request, which I did, 2 days ago
[22:11] <DaSkreech> qtsoftware.com
[22:11] <MooBiesUS> DaSkreech, : I am able to see the files in Dolphin  , however I can't copy them to the desktop or open them
[22:12] <MooBiesUS> DaSkreech, It asks for a username/pass
[22:12] <DaSkreech> MooBiesUS: This is via smb:/ ?
[22:12] <essial> daskreech: click buy :)
[22:12] <essial> nooo info
[22:12] <MooBiesUS> DaSkreech, Yes, smb://192.168.0.2/pictures
[22:12] <essial> If they don't reply by this weekend I'm just going to use wxWidgets
[22:12] <DaSkreech> Hmmm. Should work
[22:12] <essial> I don't want to risk a major expense for license fees
[22:13] <MooBiesUS> I can see the pictures previewed , but I can not open them or copy to desktop , asks for a login
[22:13] <DaSkreech> essial: I'm assuming this is a closed source for sale application ?
[22:13] <essial> yes
[22:16] <Suiko> maybe this will help
[22:16] <Suiko> http://www.qtsoftware.com/downloads/commercial
[22:16] <Luija> ei people
[22:16] <Luija> in the desktop
[22:16] <Luija> like in windows
[22:16] <Luija> there is no a way
[22:16] <Luija> than the icos r ordered similarly
[22:16] <Luija> without spaces?
[22:17] <abraham> !es
[22:17] <DaSkreech> huh?
[22:18] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: the link is in the topic
[22:18] <DaSkreech>  follow the instructions there
[22:22] <igor_> hi, I installed kde 4.2 on Interpid and each time when kde start after kdm brightness of my screen is low. Has anyone had this trouble?
[22:22] <badpc> anyone have a link to winehq
[22:22] <DaSkreech> #winehq
[22:23] <noren> DaSkreech : hi again...cant play any video files innn here any help
[22:23] <drostie> igor_: K > System Settings > Advanced > Power Management > Edit Profiles > Screen.
[22:23] <essial> wow, the download notice window thing is SLICK
[22:24] <drostie> noren: [sudo apt-get install vlc] ^_^
[22:25] <StR|Sangreal> daskreech > *Old Plasma packages are not compatible with KDE 4.2, you should uninstall any plasmoids.* how should i proceed this?
[22:25] <noren> drostie: but they were playing all well when i had 8.10
[22:25] <DaSkreech> noren: Did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[22:25] <StR|Sangreal> i have all on defaults probably
[22:25] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: apt-get remove kdeplasma-addons
[22:25] <DaSkreech> essial: Yeah its nice but I find it annoying
[22:25] <noren> DaSkreech: yes i did tht before i update to kde4.2
[22:26] <DaSkreech> and things don't work now? What are you using to play videos ?
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> i have some widgets running
[22:26] <igor_>  have already tried, set brightness in all profiless to amximum, but still no effect
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> and probably the panel itself is a widget isnt it?
[22:26] <noren> am using simple dragonplayer
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> how would it behave as i uninstall the package?
[22:27] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: It would simply return you to the prompt
[22:27] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: the panel isn't a conflict it ships with Plasma
[22:27] <noren> my amarok is working fine playing the music files but cant play any avi on dragonplayer
[22:27] <DaSkreech> noren: strange.
[22:28] <Suiko> then download vlc player and use that
[22:29] <Suiko> btw how can i reenable the active desktop? that i can place icons on the desktop again and not just in the desktop folger
[22:29] <Suiko> folde
[22:29] <StR|Sangreal> ok updating
[22:30] <StR|Sangreal> how would this affect my compiz?
[22:30] <noren> well when i log in theres some phoren notification tht my pnp Audio device and pulsse audio not working
[22:30] <DaSkreech> shouldn't
[22:30] <StR|Sangreal> (or actually i dont know if those effects are compiz or some other substitute)
[22:30] <noren> but strangly i can hear sound in amarok
[22:30] <DaSkreech> though Kwin in KDE 4.2 is quite nice and streamlined compared to compiz
[22:30] <DaSkreech> If you need it it will still work
[22:31] <drostie> noren: I sometimes also get an alert that pulse audio isn't working. I just ignore it.
[22:31] <DaSkreech> noren: Amarok isn't using Phonon or pulse audio It's KDE3 it doesn't care
[22:31] <noren> then i think i should apt-get vlc
[22:31] <StR|Sangreal> how can i figure out what is responsible for those effects in my distribution?
[22:31] <nenadserbia> after installing KDE 4.2, my Fast User Switch Applet in GNOME won't load. Reinstalling doesn't help. I realize this may be a question suitable for a Gnome-related channel, but maybe has encountered similair problem...
[22:32] <noren> but the thing is that i was able to play al the media files before i updated and now i dont
[22:33] <StR|Sangreal> a survey question: if you make some dramatical system changes, is it better to pray before or during the commands being executed? ;)
[22:33] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Did you install compiz?
[22:33] <StR|Sangreal> i didnt afaik
[22:33] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: you mean in your Gnome environment it stops loading?
[22:33] <noren> DaSkreech: what say??
[22:33] <nenadserbia> StR|Sangreal - It won't do any harm :)
[22:34] <DaSkreech> noren: I know that's strange.
[22:34] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: It's better to back up :)
[22:34] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: then it's probably kwin
[22:34] <DaSkreech> I can tell as soon as you get back up
[22:35] <DaSkreech> or better press alt+space if you get a menu it's compiz if you don't press alt+F3 if you get a menu it's kwin
[22:35] <StR|Sangreal> lol just imagine to tell to your religious authority: no i wouldnt pray, i would backup instead ;)
[22:36] <noren> drostie: will only vlc will do or i have to instaall gstreamer packages also
[22:36] <nenadserbia> DaSkreech, yes. KDE works fine, but in Gnome I encounter that problem. It's happened the first time I installed KDE 4.2, but I thought it was related to some other stuff I've been messing with. But this time I'm sure it's due to KDE 4.2. It's a fresh install, and KDE 4.11 didn't make such problem with fast user switching applet...
[22:36] <StR|Sangreal> and you can do that altogether - backup, execute and keep praying ;)
[22:37] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: I've never heardof that but the config files are very seperate I don't know how they would interfere with each other unless the Fast USer switcher is .. oh lord I know what it is
[22:37] <nenadserbia> StR|Sangreal, backup is a sort of a religion in some parts :)
[22:37] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: are you using GDM or KDM ?
[22:37] <nenadserbia> DaSkreech: KDM currently
[22:38] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: That's why. Fast user switcher relies on GDM running
[22:39] <DaSkreech> same thing if you start using GDM the KDE User switcher stops working
[22:39] <nenadserbia> oh... I'll go and try it out and I'll be back to thank you (hopefully) :)
[22:39] <DaSkreech> I seriously have no idea why they don't just make that a standard so you can use whatever you like but that's a freedesktop issue
[22:40] <noren> DaSkreech: any channel where i cant guidance on my current prob ??
[22:40] <DaSkreech> noren: really you should just reinstall kubuntu-restricted-extras I tink
[22:42] <noren> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:42] <DaSkreech> noren: yes
[22:42] <noren> lemme see
[22:44] <nenadserbia> DaSkreech - Thank you man! That was it!
[22:44] <noren> http://paste.ubuntu.com/120339/  <<< but after installing vlc i m getting vid but theres no audio
[22:45] <nenadserbia> It's pretty logical when you look at it, but my brain isn't in the 'logical' work mode apparentlly :)
[22:45] <kuaera> DaSkreech: You're wise. I need some troubleshooting help regarding Kubuntu Jaunty and KDE not starting properly.
[22:45] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: yeah I just figured it out
[22:45] <DaSkreech> kuaera: What does it do?
[22:46] <kuaera> DaSkreech: When starting from KDM, it "hangs" after the Internet icon
[22:46] <KDesk> hi
[22:46] <kuaera> DaSkreech: This appeared the same time that I became unable to access encrypted wireless networks
[22:47] <DaSkreech> kuaera: ha cute.
[22:47] <DaSkreech> They just mported the new network manager
[22:47] <DaSkreech> kuaera: Might want to alert someone in #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu+1
[22:47] <DaSkreech> !hi | KDesk
[22:47] <kuaera> DaSkreech: I thought that was slated for KDE4.3...but thank you
[22:48] <kuaera> Told you you were wise :P
[22:48] <DaSkreech> kuaera: It is but really should have been in KDE 4.2 ther is a KDE 4.2 and KDE 4.3 branch for it in KDE svn I think many distros will ship with it
[22:49] <KDesk> DaSkreech: thanks!
[22:50] <KDesk> I installed the theme kde4-oxygen-gnome-theme (also libbonoboui2-0 and gtk-qt-engine) and I choose it from system settings in the setion GTK style & Fonts, but my gtk apps still look bad. What else do I have to do?
[22:51] <kuaera> DaSkreech: I've spoken in the Kubuntu-devel channel...here's hoping
[22:52] <DaSkreech> kuaera: You didn't mention that you were on Jaunty
[22:53] <kuaera> DaSkreech: Good point. I guess I presumed they'd figure I was on Jaunty because I was speaking of the new network manager...
[23:08] <Luija> ei people
[23:08] <Luija> how i can watch youtube in kubuntu?
[23:08] <DaSkreech> Firefox
[23:09] <salmonel> hi guys
[23:09] <Suiko> hi dude
[23:09] <Luija> i am using firefox...
[23:09] <salmonel> i am confused
[23:09] <Suiko> why that man=
[23:09] <salmonel> how to connect wifi from command line problem :(
[23:09] <Suiko> ahhh easy
[23:09] <DaSkreech> Luija: Ah install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:09] <Suiko> iwconfig
[23:10] <Suiko> use iwconfig
[23:10] <salmonel> Suiko, : yes of course and thanks
[23:10] <salmonel> Suiko, : but it does not work
[23:10] <Luija> how ican da?
[23:11] <Suiko> need more information then =D
[23:11] <salmonel> Suiko, : i type iwconfig wlano
[23:11] <Suiko> wlan0
[23:11] <salmonel> Suiko, : and then i set the essid
[23:11] <Suiko> yeah
[23:11] <salmonel> Suiko, : iwconfig wlan0 essid blablabla
[23:11] <DaSkreech> essial: Did you ask in #qt ?
[23:11] <Suiko> yeah
[23:12] <DaSkreech> essial: I did and they said normal response time is a few hours so you may want to send a request again
[23:12] <salmonel> Suiko, :  and then when i try to iwconfig wlan0 key s:mykey
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Though Nokia is obviously sleeping now
[23:12] <salmonel> Suiko, : it fails :(
[23:12] <Suiko> ahhh i had the same problem many many times
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Luija: how can you install?
[23:12] <Suiko> it depends on the management of your router or whatever
[23:12] <salmonel> Suiko, : it says invalid argument :(
[23:13] <Suiko> yeah yeah i know try wlan0 essid 'blabla' key open s:key
[23:13] <salmonel> Suiko, : you mean i have to use the "open" parameter this time e?
[23:14] <Luija> yes DaSkreech
[23:14] <Suiko> try
[23:14] <Suiko> its a pain, i know
[23:14] <salmonel> Suiko, : i will try it :-) thanks
[23:14] <Suiko> i dont like wlan
[23:15] <salmonel> Suiko, : i remember that i saw in man iwconfig that passphrase is not yetsupported
[23:15] <DaSkreech> Luija: from a konsole type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:15] <Suiko> well wpa2 is not supported yet i guess
[23:15] <salmonel> Suiko, : so is that going to pass in my passphrase in ascii with the s: option ?
[23:15] <salmonel> Suiko, : aha
[23:16] <salmonel> Suiko, : i use wpa2
[23:16] <salmonel> Suiko, : maybe that's why e?
[23:16] <Suiko> maybe
[23:17] <salmonel> Suiko, : but how did the knetworkmanager connects when i use the gui ? does to works differently?
[23:17] <Suiko> had it worked once?
[23:18] <salmonel> Siuko: yes when i had the gui yes it worked out of the box  many times :-)
[23:18] <Suiko> well ask some of the officialls here
[23:18] <Suiko> my latin is over ^
[23:19] <salmonel> Suiko, : since i installed kde4.2 every gui after kdm starts is black and non-responsive...
[23:19] <Suiko> ahhhh yeah, thats could be it
[23:19] <Suiko> kde4 doesnt like "old guis"
[23:19] <draik_> I can't seem to get anything to run within KDE or Openbox through my system. Everything is causing it to freeze up. Amarok, Firefox, Frostwire, K3b... just to name a few.
[23:19] <salmonel> Suiko, : yes but i have no gui at all now :(
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Maybe you have something wrong with your drivers?
[23:20] <salmonel> Suiko, : and i have to use the command line
[23:20] <Suiko> terminal freak =D
[23:20] <draik_> How can I check on the cause of the freezing?
[23:21] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : good idea  but the drivers used to work so there is nothing with the drivers :(
[23:21] <Suiko> well i am sorry, i cant help you with this
[23:21] <AndySpain> hi!  there's something wrong with time sync.
[23:21] <salmonel> Suiko, : it's ok thanks anyway
[23:21] <DaSkreech> what freezes? The app or X ?
[23:21] <Luija> thx a lot DaSkreech :)
[23:21] <DaSkreech> sure
[23:21] <draik_> DaSkreech: Everything.
[23:21] <AndySpain> When I go to K-menu->systemsetting date and time, I can enbale automatic time sync. But next time i enter it, it's disabled again
[23:22] <draik_> Sometimes the mouse will freeze, too.
[23:22] <DaSkreech> draik_: bleh
[23:22] <DaSkreech> can you jump to a terminal when it happens?
[23:22] <salmonel> Suiko, : but how can now who are the officials here :-) ?
[23:22] <draik_> Nope
[23:22] <salmonel> any official here :-) ?
[23:23] <DaSkreech> salmonel: officials aren't important
[23:23] <draik_> I'm currently on TTY1 because I can hardly use the GUI, if I even get that far.
[23:23] <draik_> Sometimes it freezes before the login, sometime after the login.
[23:23] <DaSkreech> draik_: ok Well in TTY2 start top and watch what happes when you open things
[23:24] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : you mean they are useless ? or that we are a big enough comunity :) ?
[23:24] <DaSkreech> or if you think it's a startup config issue then run startkde from the tty and see what the log says
[23:24] <draik_> I did htop within the GUI when I launched Frostwire. Sent that to 48.0% CPU when it froze that instant
[23:24] <DaSkreech> draik_: X logs are in /var/log so you can grep those for errors
[23:24] <DaSkreech> draik_: if the GUI is freezing monitoring it from the GUI isn't brilliant
[23:24] <TwIsTerZ> comment on fait pour s'enregistrer a Nickserv comme new user what is commande to loggin new user for nickserv ? please
[23:24] <DaSkreech> !fr
[23:24] <AndySpain> and sudo kdesytemsettings and doing the same gives an error message
[23:25] <salmonel> draik_, : ohh my god , did you installed kd4.2 on top of kd4.1 ???
[23:25] <AndySpain> so the time sync in kubuntu is bugged?
[23:25] <draik_> To the best of my knowledge, no.
[23:26] <salmonel> draik_, : you are lucky :-)
[23:26] <draik_> ?
[23:26] <Luija> i cant still watch youtube videos DaSkreech 0_0
[23:26] <salmonel> draik_, ; i did installed the kde4.2 and now NO gui at all
[23:26] <DaSkreech> Luija: Do other flash sites work?
[23:26] <salmonel> draik_, : i am so angry with kde4.2
[23:27] <Luija> nop
[23:27] <DaSkreech> salmonel: That doesn't sound right did you back up your ~/.kde directory ?
[23:27] <draik_> How do I check on the current KDE4.x?
[23:27] <Luija> or i think only youtube lol
[23:27] <salmonel> draik_, : no :(
[23:27] <DaSkreech> Luija: That's very much not right did you restart firefox?
[23:27] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : no :(
[23:27] <draik_> salmonel: Huh? How do I check on the currently installed KDE4.x?
[23:27] <wimpies> Hi all, I got these packages for which dpkg shows desired state 'r' (remove) How can I set it back to 'i' (installed) ?
[23:27] <DaSkreech> salmonel: ok well mv ~/.kde ~/.kde4.1 and then start X and login
[23:28] <Luija> oh...
[23:28] <Luija> LOL
[23:28] <DaSkreech> As in logout  go to a tty and do that then login again
[23:28] <Luija> i didnt restart, srry
[23:28] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : thanks :-) but it is late now
[23:28] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : now i have done apt-get remove kde-core :-)
[23:29] <DaSkreech> salmonel: that's not right you should remove kdelibs5 if you want to remove KDE fully
[23:29] <draik_> How do I check which KDE4 I have installed?
[23:29] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : so i need a way to connect to my wifi wpa2 to fetch the new sources.list :-)
[23:29] <DaSkreech> but in any case do that and reinstall
[23:29] <DaSkreech> salmonel: ha ha ok Go ahead
[23:30] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : yes? i have no idea for that:-)
[23:30] <DaSkreech> draik_: open Konqueror and click help -> about KDE
[23:30] <draik_> No CLI?
[23:30] <DaSkreech> salmonel: no chance for a cable
[23:30] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : thanks for the infos about kd4libs5 :-)
[23:30] <draik_> KDE 4.1. Says it at login.
[23:30] <DaSkreech> draik_: kde4-config --version
[23:30] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : i tried once today but i was unlucky with the cable
[23:31] <DaSkreech> How can you be unlucky with a cable?
[23:31] <DaSkreech> it's a cable
[23:31] <draik_> 4.1.4
[23:31] <draik_> Thanks DaSkreech.
[23:31] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : because of the dhclient confusion i had :-)
[23:31] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : i thought i could connect " plug n play"
[23:32] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : but it needs at least 3 steps in command line :-)
[23:33] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : ok i will try to remove kdelibs5
[23:33] <DaSkreech> salmonel: sudo dhclient
[23:33] <AndySpain> how do i fix that time bug in kde?
[23:34] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : i had login a sroot :-),  Shall i have to type apt-get remove  kdelibs5 ?
[23:34] <DaSkreech> Yes
[23:34] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: Not that I know of It works here
[23:34] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : ok nice i will try it all that :-) thanks
[23:35] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: When KDE starts for some reason it chooses the wrong timezone for quie a few people check to see if that's correct
[23:35] <Luija> thx
[23:35] <Luija> but there is java?
[23:35] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: Here I'm on kubuntu 8.10 kde 4.1.4  installed three days ago. doesn't work
[23:35] <Luija> DaSkreech?
[23:35] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : i hope i can make my ethernet connects with a cable and the router
[23:35] <DaSkreech> !java | Luija
[23:35] <draik_> I'm on KDE4.1, GUI freezes when I run an app. What should I do to fix this issue? Where would I begin?
[23:36] <Luija> why i cant use adept? :S
[23:36] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : do you no what to do to connect to the router with cable ?
[23:36] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: you are in the right time zone? If Kubuntu thinks you are in Nebraska thats the time it will give and sync with
[23:36] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: time zome is correct
[23:36] <DaSkreech> draik_: Turn off compositing first I would say
[23:36] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: it shows at least the correct time
[23:36] <draik_> DaSkreech: How would I do that?
[23:36] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: so what are you syncing with?
[23:37] <DaSkreech> draik_: edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[23:37] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : do i need to use dhclient and eth0 as the last command ?
[23:37] <Luija> DaSkreech, can u explain me in detail? i dont understand, srry :S
[23:37] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: i wanted to sync with ntp.ubuntu.com  I think. but i cannot.
[23:37] <DaSkreech> salmonel: well if your cable has DHCP you should be able to just sudo dhclient
[23:37] <AndySpain> but i need an exact clock, not only more or less correct
[23:38] <DaSkreech> If you need to add your own route and so on then you need to sudo route add default gw <ip>
[23:38] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: Even manually ?
[23:38] <DaSkreech> Luija: What can't you use with adept?
[23:38] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : hmmm now i see  ok , my cable has not so ?
[23:38] <DaSkreech> salmonel: no DHCP ?
[23:38] <Luija> DaSkreech: To get Sun Java under Ubuntu 7.04 or later running on Intel or PowerPC platform, you should enable the Universe repository in Add/Remove programs, and install either the openjdk-6-jre package or the sun-java6-bin package. (Note: PowerPC version is slow).
[23:38] <draik_> I don't have compositing anywhere on the file
[23:38] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : do i have to use the 192.168.1.1 ?
[23:39] <Luija> universe repository?
[23:39] <DaSkreech> Luija: oh just sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[23:39] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: dunno how to sync manually. And I want it to be automated so i can forget about syncing
[23:39] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : hmmm not sure
[23:39] <Luija> sweet
[23:39] <DaSkreech> draik_: you don't have a [Compositing] Section ?
[23:39] <draik_> DaSkreech: Nope
[23:39] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : now i think it has dhcp enabled
[23:39] <AndySpain> DaSkreech on ubuntu it still worked here. But now I installed kubuntu and don't get it running
[23:39] <DaSkreech> salmonel: When you connect via wireless do you put in an IP address?
[23:40] <DaSkreech> draik_: Ok it's off then
[23:40] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : no
[23:40] <draik_> OK
[23:40] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : so ?
[23:40] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: That's below either DE it works even if you have no DE on the computer
[23:40] <DaSkreech> salmonel: sudo dhclient should work for you
[23:41] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : hmm all make sence now OK thanks :-)
[23:41] <KDesk> Having some problems I had to recreate the /boot directory, I have reinstalled the kernel to have the images and the initrd, but how can I recreate the rest of the files, like stage* and menu.lst?
[23:41] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : nice thanks :-)
[23:41] <draik_> What else would you suggest?
[23:41] <DaSkreech> !grub | KDesk
[23:42] <ingenium4> hi
[23:42] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : shall i do dhclient at the end  of the command ?
[23:42] <DaSkreech> draik_: mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebkup
[23:42] <KDesk> DaSkreech: thanks for the links!
[23:42] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: ok, how do i turn it on , below DE level? for my DE doesn't take the change if I'm no superuser, and with sudo kde systemsettings it says "error setting date/time/time zone". It doesn't tell any more. no reasons no nothing
[23:42] <Luija> what would happen if grub is corrupted?
[23:42] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : it should be handled automatic e?
[23:42] <ingenium4> I have some problem for install skype in kubuntu 8.10
[23:42] <DaSkreech> salmonel: Yes that does dhclient for all network devices if you jsut want the wired device then eth0 at the end will do that
[23:42] <ingenium4> maybe somebody can help me please
[23:43] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: hmm try kdesudo systemsettings
[23:43] <ingenium4> I just install kubuntu today
[23:43] <DaSkreech> Though that will change things for root >_>
[23:43] <DaSkreech> !skyoe
[23:43] <DaSkreech> !skype
[23:43] <ingenium4> ok
[23:43] <AndySpain> DaSkrech I just told oyu  the this gives my also a GUI and an Error message
[23:43] <AndySpain> you*
[23:43] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : i am going to give it a try so i have to reboot windows to go back to linux so bye see you maybe later :-) hope so :-) if not i will propably try to configure it :-)
[23:44] <salmonel> bye
[23:44] <draik_> DaSkreech: Done. Restart X?
[23:44] <ingenium4> can you give me exactly the attachment
[23:44] <ingenium4> please
[23:44] <DaSkreech> ingenium4: attachment ?
[23:44] <ingenium4> yes where I have to go for download
[23:45] <DaSkreech> draik_: sure
[23:45] <ingenium4> because I download for ubuntu
[23:45] <DaSkreech> ingenium4: If yo uwant the latest one then go to skype's webpage
[23:45] <ingenium4> ok
[23:45] <DaSkreech> they have on for Ubuntu when you download it then it should be a .deb file
[23:45] <ingenium4> and after when I get where I must to go
[23:46] <judgen> Is kdm themes for kde4 working on kde3
[23:46] <DaSkreech> Well take a note of where you downloaded it to
[23:46] <ingenium4> ok
[23:46] <ingenium4> tx
[23:46] <DaSkreech> then you can open a konsole and sudo dpkg -i /path/to/skype.deb
[23:47] <ingenium4> ok
[23:47] <DaSkreech> It will ask for a password which is the password you used to login then you are done
[23:47] <drostie> Lots of people asking for Skype today and yesterday.
[23:47] <ingenium4> for me first day kubuntu and linux
[23:47] <ingenium4> I am tired vista
[23:48] <DaSkreech> ingenium4: Welcome to Linux and Kubuntu!
[23:48] <Luija> ingenium
[23:48] <Luija> u did good
[23:48] <ingenium4> ok thank you very much
[23:48] <Luija> i changed yesterday
[23:48] <Luija> kubuntu is god
[23:48] <AndySpain> DaSkreech does ntpd do the same as this KDE function that syncs time? and which one is better/more accurate?
[23:48] <ingenium4> bye
[23:48] <StR|Sangreal> pls could sb recommend me a widged for monitoring system performance?
[23:49] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: ntpd is the daemon for ntpdate It changes the system time which KDE reads and makes corrections for the users stated timezone
[23:49] <DaSkreech> ingenium4: Bye come back here if you need help
[23:50] <ingenium4> tx
[23:51] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: so it is the same as sudokde systemsettings enable time sync?
[23:51] <DaSkreech> I should think so
[23:53] <AndySpain> ok
[23:54] <Luija> ei
[23:54] <Luija> java is installed now
[23:54] <AndySpain> DaSkreech the GUI thing doesn't work at all, neither user nor root, but ntpd works now... :-)
[23:54] <Luija> but i cant still use it, what I do DaSkreech?
[23:54] <draik_> DaSkreech: I restarted and when I logged into KDE, it froze after I set the size for Yakuake
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Luija: What do you mean you can't use it?
[23:54] <draik_> Rebooting the desktop now
[23:54] <Luija> http://www.purplesurge.com/chat.html
[23:55] <Luija> purplesurge is a online irc chat
[23:55] <Luija> it use java
[23:55] <Luija> i enter there
[23:55] <Luija> and i cant see the box, i already log out
[23:55] <Luija> or i have to restart?
[23:56] <DaSkreech> Luija: hmm try sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[23:57] <Luija> ok let me restart
[23:58] <AndySpain> Lujia: with the browser?
[23:58] <AndySpain> you want java in your browser?
[23:58] <AndySpain> then you might need to activate java in your browser, not only install it
[23:59] <AndySpain> in konuqeror for instance java and java script been disabled by default after installation, so u gotta enter the preferences/options
[23:59] <DaSkreech> Firefox
[23:59] <StR|Sangreal> in kde42