[00:39] <blizzle> I can't get my hardware to boot in 2.6.28.x.. It's this bug (Compaq Deskpro): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/314050 .. anyone know if it's being addressed.. it's confirmed but unassigned according to the bug report :/
[00:41] <dtchen> blizzle: can you reproduce with a vanilla kernel?  which arch are you using?
[00:42] <blizzle> dtchen, I'm running on 2.6.27.11 currently. Any of the 2.6.28.x are broken for me.
[00:43] <dtchen> blizzle: (vanilla kernel builds are at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ; choose the appropriate $arch. i recommend you try 2.6.29-rc5.)
[00:44] <dtchen> blizzle: by testing the vanilla kernel(s), we get a better idea of what needs fixing/porting
[00:44] <blizzle> dtchen, Okeydoke, I shall give that a spin. I tried the patched kernel linked on that bug report, and whilst I could boot up, everything else was broken. for me.
[00:44] <dtchen> blizzle: ok. i'll be around for about an hour longer if you need something
[01:20] <FFForever> is there a jaunty repo for kde 4.2?
[01:35] <RAOF> FFForever: Yes.  The main archives.
[01:36] <FFForever> kde-dev or just kde?
[01:36] <RAOF> You'll need to clarify the difference.
[01:36] <RAOF> It's the 4.2 release.
[02:40]  * bluesmoke loves the new volume notification
[03:02] <linkinx64> hello!
[03:02] <linkinx64> i have a question.... :)
[03:02] <linkinx64> I am getting a weird sound everytime i hit the end of a list...for example scrolling down...and when it hits the end it makes a weird noise fomr the internal speaker
[03:11] <elpargo> sound??
[03:11] <elpargo> ups wrong channel :)
[03:13] <linkinx64> me?
[03:14] <elpargo> linkinx64: no, me I though this was #turbogears, u will imagine how weird will that question go in a webdev environment :)
[03:15] <linkinx64> lol
[03:57] <akio> i forgot of to use commands in directories
[03:57] <akio> how*
[03:57] <linkinx64> ls?
[03:57] <linkinx64> dir
[03:57] <linkinx64> cd
[03:57] <akio> like cd 'uname -r'
[03:57] <linkinx64> cd uname -r?
[03:57] <linkinx64> why cd
[03:57] <linkinx64> ?
[03:58] <akio> its just an example, for instance the /lib/modules/'uname -r'/ thing
[03:58] <akio> modules for the kernel are in there but typing it out is a mess
[03:58] <linkinx64> lol
[03:59] <akio> i get directory not found bla bla
[03:59] <akio> i know there is a way to do it but google searching really doesn't work for strings formatted like that
[04:01] <akio> any ideas?
[04:01] <crdlb> akio: $(uname -r)
[04:01] <crdlb> or `uname -r`, but that's deprecated
[04:01] <crdlb> and it's not nestable
[04:01] <akio> nestable?
[04:01] <akio> i guess i need the manual for bash
[04:02] <akio> never wanted to read that one
[04:02] <akio> but this program "screen" is badass
[04:02] <crdlb> echo $(uname $(echo -r))
[04:03] <akio> that's an example of what can't be done right?
[04:04] <crdlb> it can be done with $(), just not with ``
[04:04] <akio> thanks, it works like a charm
[04:04] <crdlb> since the open and close marks (`) and (`) are the same
[04:04] <linkinx64> interesting
[04:05] <akio> so i could have done it with (') (')
[04:05] <akio> hmm wrong keys i see now....
[04:05] <crdlb> ` is not '
[04:05] <akio> i knew that!
[04:06] <akio> damn i feel sheepish
[04:06] <crdlb> heh, apparently `` can  be nested, but it's not pretty
[04:06] <akio> well I learned something new anyway
[04:07] <akio> I was using the wrong characters to be honest...
[04:10] <akio> lets say I was using finch in a screen session over ssh, do i have a chance of being notified if someone says my name?
[04:11] <linkinx64> ssh it's awesome
[04:11] <akio> i have a crappy wireless connection that causes resets like I have never seen, screen and ssh save the day
[04:17]  * crdlb can't think of a way
[04:18] <crdlb> pidgin ought to have some sort of proxy system where you can use the actually client running on the server and just hook into it with the pidgin gui client
[04:21] <akio> i think that would scare people away like the xmms2 implementation
[04:21] <crdlb> I'm not saying it should be the default, but it would be nice for your situation
[04:22] <akio> right, but just for notifications?
[04:22] <crdlb> so that you can use a gui all the time
[04:22] <akio> im sure there is a terminal bell or something, and then my connecting gnome-terminal will make waves or flash or something
[04:23] <crdlb> oh, you mean when it's open :)
[04:23] <akio> right
[04:23] <akio> or not
[04:23] <akio> i guess your right
[04:26] <akio> I really can't wait for stable and fast KMS
[04:26] <akio> I will piss myself when that works
[04:28] <akio> I have an MSI Wind U100 that I'm working off of and the terminal has become my best friend as it's the most efficient use of my 1024x600 screen
[04:28] <akio> gnome just looks fat and retarded with this little real estate
[04:31] <akio> test
[04:32] <akio> I wonder how to hide the user list
[04:50] <kuaera_> With today's updates [at some point], one can no longer log into a KDE session from KDM. It hangs after the "internet" icon. Is this worth reporting?
[04:53] <euther> openarena no longer loads after last night's and today's updates
[04:54] <euther> "fails to load OpenGL subsystem"
[05:22] <Lounge> hello i need to know if i'm the only one that lost gdm after an update today..
[05:22] <maco> gdm's working fine here
[05:22] <Lounge> well didn't really lose it but after some ubuntu-desktop update, the greeter broke
[05:23] <Lounge> so i tried to reinstall gdm
[05:23] <maco> oh. ok dunno there. i'm using kde (but gdm too)
[05:23] <Lounge> didn't help
[05:24] <Lounge> well for now i'm in mint on the other partiton chrooting into jaunty for now
[05:25] <Lounge> wonder if there's a way to generate an error report of it
[05:35] <Lounge> i figure "well, if it broke? then i'll wait for an update to fix it"
[06:13] <histo> Maybe one of you guys would know. I'd like to make media pc for basically mame dvds and mp3 /jukebox functionality. I don't really need the pvr function as I already have one. I'd like to go with linux rather than windows. Doesn anyone knof of a distro solution?
[06:21] <pwnguin> histo: neuros?
[06:22] <pwnguin> histo: their OSD kinda sounds like what you want, and they're OSS friendly
[06:23] <histo> nah I want ot build it
[06:27] <pwnguin> when i did something like that we used mythbuntu
[06:27] <pwnguin> problem is, unless your TV is HD
[06:27] <pwnguin> gnome and friends are unreadable
[06:29] <billybigrigger> howdy all
[06:29] <billybigrigger> anyone alive in here?
[06:30] <CosmiChaos> Current VLC will open any video file in a seperate xvideo output window, it is not possible to enable embedded interface playback. can anyone proof this?
[06:30] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of a small but good cpu stress test app?
[06:30] <billybigrigger> i just OC'd my 2.6ghz 5000+ to 3.0ghz....temps are pretty cool for idle so i wanna stress it
[06:30] <DanaG> cpuburn?
[06:31] <billybigrigger> DanaG, cool, never heard of it
[06:31] <billybigrigger> will check it out
[06:31] <DanaG> !info cpuburn
[06:31] <CosmiChaos> can anyone check VLC fpr embedded interface video output, please?
[06:32] <Lounge> i wanted to mention that an update today broke my greeter
[06:32] <Lounge> cant seem to get past it
[06:32] <billybigrigger> DanaG, those are for old x86 cpus
[06:34] <Lounge> is there a way i can generate an error report via chroot?
[06:34] <CosmiChaos> please anyone fireup VideoLANClient and tell me if the video playback happens in the VLC window or in an extra window, please, just a short test, yes or no?
[06:35] <DanaG> Lounge: you could switch to a TTY and then startx from there.
[06:36] <Lounge> DanaG: i've never really tried tty
[06:36] <Lounge> atm im in mint on the other partition
[06:36] <billybigrigger> DanaG, "stress"
[06:36] <Lounge> got jaunty mounted and chrooting
[06:36] <billybigrigger> DanaG, seems to be a decent stress tester
[06:37] <CosmiChaos> you are so helpful to m :(
[06:37]  * DanaG doesn't use VLC.
[06:37] <DanaG> It fails miserably at subtitles.
[06:37] <FFForever> How come i cant play flash videos?
[06:37] <CosmiChaos> i prefer audio ;)
[06:38] <FFForever> well i play them but on youtube i just see a black box and music/voices...
[06:38] <CosmiChaos> hm let me check
[06:40] <Lounge> DanaG: ctrl+alt+f1 is how i would switch tty?
[06:40] <DanaG> yeah.
[06:40] <Lounge> ok but should i boot up into recovery mode first?
[06:40] <CosmiChaos> FFForever: have got no fls file, downloadhelper does not work for me atm
[06:41] <Lounge> greeter goes nuts after bootup
[06:41] <FFForever> huh?
[06:41] <FFForever> downloading and playing works...
[06:41] <FFForever> just not playing them via youtube.com =(
[06:42] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with overclocking?
[06:42] <FFForever> yeah, it killed my last cpu =(
[06:43] <billybigrigger> im running a stress test and cpu1 stays at %100 constant, cpu2 is anywhere from %97 - %100, should they both be maxed at 100 or did i go to far causing the 1 core to start failing? im only maybe 5 - 10 mins into the test
[06:44] <CosmiChaos> FFForever: i play them online then i click on my firerfox addon download helper and select the HQ version and a location to save at
[06:44] <billybigrigger> just going off of ubuntu's system monitor though
[06:44] <billybigrigger> however accurate that is
[06:44] <FFForever> CosmiChaos, so its just me....?
[06:44] <CosmiChaos> FFForever:  it wasnt working before because some auto-converting was triggered on
[06:45] <billybigrigger> Core0 Temp:  +22.0°C
[06:45] <billybigrigger> Core0 Temp:  +29.0°C
[06:45] <billybigrigger> Core1 Temp:  +25.0°C
[06:45] <billybigrigger> Core1 Temp:  +29.0°C
[06:45] <billybigrigger> nice and cool though :P stock fan's too haha
[06:45] <FFForever> =P
[06:45] <FFForever> gl and hope u don't kill the cpu =P
[06:45] <CosmiChaos> FFForever: so my VLC plays that flash movie
[06:46] <billybigrigger> hehe
[06:46] <FFForever> CosmiChaos, =(, mv .mozilla .moz | firefox
[06:46] <FFForever> works =(
[06:46] <billybigrigger> hopefully sensors is close to temp reading
[06:46] <CosmiChaos> put just again in a seperate xvideo output window :( IM GETTING OUT OF MY THIS !"§$%&/()=?
[06:47] <CosmiChaos> FFForever: the correct filename for flash video would be *.flv
[06:47] <CosmiChaos> that runs in vlc
[06:47] <FFForever> CosmiChaos, i know... i removed my firefox profile.... and it fixed youtube... =(
[06:48] <CosmiChaos> what do you mean by "it fixed youtobe" was it broken?
[06:48] <FFForever> CosmiChaos, yeah i only got a black box....
[06:48] <FFForever> with sound...
[06:48] <CosmiChaos> ah for the flash plugin
[06:49] <FFForever> "<FFForever> well i play them but on youtube i just see a black box and music/voices.."
[06:49] <FFForever> =\
[06:50] <FFForever> anyone know when we will get wine 1.1.15
[06:50] <mjc> CosmiChaos: fyi flash 90.154.0 or something and above can play .mp4/.f4v
[06:50] <CosmiChaos> oh right sometimes i have that problem to, i guess reinstalling flash-nonfree should do it
[06:50] <mjc> CosmiChaos: or h264/HE-AACv2 in a .flv container but I don't think flv does variable framerate
[06:50] <CosmiChaos> FFForever: i got it, but intrepid installed
[06:51] <FFForever> hmmm ill check updates i am still on 1.1.14 =\
[06:52] <FFForever> anyone know how i can watch on demand netflix movies in ubuntu?
[06:52] <CosmiChaos> i use virtualbox for intrepid either, no prblems till now
[06:52] <FFForever> i don't like waiting 30mins for a laggy video =(
[06:55] <CosmiChaos> hell yeah, when i click Shutdown>Restart from then it takes about 45 secs to bring me back to Compiz O.O
[06:56] <DanaG> billybigrigger: check out this:
[06:56] <DanaG> !g lm_sensors
[06:56] <DanaG> er
[06:56] <DanaG> !info lm_sensors
[06:56] <billybigrigger> yes it does
[06:56] <DanaG> !info lm-sensors
[06:57] <DanaG> _  ->  -
[06:57] <billybigrigger> yeah its a good tool, hopefully it displays its info correctly
[06:57] <billybigrigger> Core0 Temp:  +13.0°C
[06:57] <billybigrigger> Core0 Temp:  +18.0°C
[06:57] <billybigrigger> Core1 Temp:  +17.0°C
[06:57] <billybigrigger> Core1 Temp:  +20.0°C
[06:57] <CosmiChaos> nitpicker :D
[06:58] <billybigrigger> was reading 22-29 C on that stress test
[06:58] <mjc> 29C is pretty good
[06:58] <billybigrigger> on stock cooling?
[06:58] <billybigrigger> :)
[06:58] <mjc> that sounds like the on die sensor which can be off as much as 5C though
[06:58] <billybigrigger> got 3.0ghz out of my amd x2 5000
[06:58] <mjc> only have to worry about 50C+
[06:58] <DanaG> lm-sensors also has a fan-speed app now.
[06:58] <CosmiChaos> hmmmm dont know how accurate they are, i recommend you to stress, than reset, enter bios, check temp add 1 °
[06:58] <mjc> but 40C+ might make your room hotter
[06:59] <billybigrigger> DanaG, ya it only picks up cpu fan though
[06:59] <mjc> CosmiChaos: the CPU has an on-die temp
[06:59] <billybigrigger> and mine is a stock amd hsf
[06:59] <billybigrigger> 3000rpm max
[06:59] <DanaG> you did sensors-detect and all that?
[06:59] <mjc> CosmiChaos: pentium 3 and K7 onward all have it
[06:59] <billybigrigger> DanaG, yup
[06:59] <billybigrigger> detected all my stuff
[06:59] <billybigrigger> well
[06:59] <billybigrigger> not gfx card
[06:59] <billybigrigger> but its onboard nvidia, i didnt expect it to
[07:00] <CosmiChaos> mjc: yes it has but some vedors read it different in different mathematical ways, its not a man under the cpu writing "now: 40°C, now 41 °C
[07:00] <CosmiChaos> actually intepretation of bios could be wrong
[07:00] <mjc> CosmiChaos: you are misunderstanding
[07:00] <mjc> CosmiChaos: the temperature reading for CPU comes from a register on the CPU
[07:00] <CosmiChaos> hm
[07:00] <mjc> for any sufficiently modern x86
[07:01] <CosmiChaos> not a diode?
[07:01] <mjc> well yes there is a diode inside the CPU package
[07:01] <mjc> but I mean, that's how lm-sensors reads that
[07:01] <CosmiChaos> yes and that could be wrong
[07:01] <CosmiChaos> like any windows tool could be wrong
[07:02] <billybigrigger> for sure
[07:02] <billybigrigger> those aren't exact temps, but they're close enough to give you a fair reading
[07:02] <mjc> dude, no, 5C variance and the spec is the same for all AMD and intel cpus that support it
[07:02] <CosmiChaos> always assuming bios stores the value as it is for real
[07:02] <akio> Linux is never wrong!
[07:02] <akio> EVER
[07:02] <billybigrigger> evar!
[07:02] <mjc> CosmiChaos: CPU temperature readings on modern machines do not use the bios
[07:03] <CosmiChaos> guess what when i overclock and stress, i always reset and check bios, not any sensor tools ;) its just for sure
[07:03] <akio> I FIXED YOUR COMPUTER... FOREVER
[07:03] <akio> I wonder what my poor thing is clocking in at...
[07:03] <maco> any of you using kubuntu?
[07:03] <billybigrigger> CosmiChaos, lm-sensors read my bios temps
[07:03] <CosmiChaos> "modern computers" you mean that new expensive one, that are a must have for vista but nut for linux? :D
[07:03] <billybigrigger> M/B Temp:    +39.0°C
[07:04] <billybigrigger> CPU Temp:    +22.0°C
[07:04] <mjc> CosmiChaos: pentium 3 and athlon
[07:04] <mjc> or newer
[07:04] <billybigrigger> are the same readings my bios spits out
[07:04] <billybigrigger> no need to reset and go back to bios
[07:04] <akio> CosmiChaos: if you knew what that stuff was good for you would know it can't hold a candle for full utilization
[07:04] <CosmiChaos> billybigrigger: of yourse it does, but maybe your bios stores the value in a different way that it reads it, recalculate it and shows it to you
[07:05] <akio> I measure mine on a scale of 0 - 2
[07:05] <CosmiChaos> you have fahrenheit, celsius, what does your bios stores the value
[07:05] <CosmiChaos> i guess neither both of them
[07:05] <CosmiChaos> its just a value
[07:05] <akio> off (cold) running (warm) blazing (a load of aroung 10)
[07:05] <CosmiChaos> bios knows whats the according temp, except you have a modern cpu :D
[07:06] <mjc> CosmiChaos: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[07:06] <mjc> CosmiChaos: that is from the processor's thermal zone support
[07:06] <mjc> acpi standardized even
[07:06] <CosmiChaos> good that i have a core 2
[07:06] <CosmiChaos> ;)
[07:06] <billybigrigger> if acpi reports it
[07:07] <CosmiChaos> but why sould i overclock a 2x266 for desktop usage and read temps at all O.o
[07:07] <billybigrigger> my acpi/thermal_zone/ is empty
[07:07] <mjc> billybigrigger: you don't have thermal zone loaded as a module then most likely
[07:08] <billybigrigger> mjc, and you'd be correct
[07:08] <CosmiChaos> overclocking by more than 10% and no extra cooling is for people that generally buy a new pc every two years or so ;)
[07:08] <mjc> billybigrigger: modprobe thermal
[07:08] <CosmiChaos> mine is from 2.66 @ 2,83
[07:08] <billybigrigger> oooooooh
[07:08] <billybigrigger> fatal: module thermal not found haha
[07:08] <mjc> billybigrigger: did you build your own kernel?
[07:08] <billybigrigger> nope
[07:09] <billybigrigger> bah
[07:09] <billybigrigger> what updates need a restart now
[07:09] <CosmiChaos> no such fil or directorsy
[07:09] <mjc> it should be in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/acpi
[07:09] <Lounge> ok i tried switching to diferent ttys and still got a crashing gdm
[07:09] <billybigrigger> toshiba_acpi.ko  video.ko
[07:09] <billybigrigger> thats all thats in there
[07:10] <CosmiChaos> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[07:10] <CosmiChaos> cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature: No such file or directory
[07:10] <CosmiChaos> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ modprobe thermal
[07:10] <CosmiChaos> FATAL: Module thermal not found.
[07:10] <mjc> hm. I'm on 2.6.27-12-generic and have a lot more than that
[07:10] <billybigrigger> 2.6.28-8 here
[07:11] <CosmiChaos> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:/proc/acpi/thermal_zone$ ls
[07:11] <CosmiChaos> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:/proc/acpi/thermal_zone$
[07:11] <CosmiChaos>  O.o
[07:11] <mjc> CosmiChaos: uname -r ?
 2.6.28-8 here, here to
[07:11] <mjc> ah
[07:11] <CosmiChaos> ah sry for highlighting
[07:11] <billybigrigger> whats everyone's fastest reboot time in 9.04? im amazed at shutdown/startup times in jaunty, just mind blasting!
[07:11] <billybigrigger> :P
[07:11]  * billybigrigger fires up the stopwatch...
[07:12] <mjc> maybe they stopped offering it in 2.6.28ish
[07:12] <mjc> I'm using -rt at the moment
[07:12] <DanaG> mjc: probably an -rt thing?
[07:12] <CosmiChaos> billybigrigger: reboot, from click on restart approximately 45-50secs 2.6.28-8 (profiled,preload) on ext4
[07:12] <mjc> DanaG: nah, it's in intrepid
[07:12] <mjc> DanaG: as well
[07:12] <DanaG> dpkg --listfiles linux-image-2.6.28-???-generic
[07:12] <DanaG> or whatever ver.
[07:13] <DanaG> er, generic -> rt
[07:13] <mjc> DanaG: linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic has it
[07:13] <mjc> in intrepid
[07:13] <CosmiChaos> i have generic
[07:13] <mjc> so it must no longer be in 2.6.28
[07:13] <mjc> as compiled by ubuntu
[07:13]  * DanaG has a 35-second boot.
[07:13] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: Boot or reboot, Boot i get at 36 ;)
[07:14] <DanaG> I don't check the difference.
[07:14] <mjc> most of my boot time is waiting on services
[07:14] <DanaG> And that's time as shown by bootchart.
[07:15] <CosmiChaos> it took me additional 7 to shutdown, and 1-2 apg-bios, bios and then boots through in 27 secs
[07:15] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart
[07:16] <CosmiChaos> DanaG:  how o do tjhat?
[07:16] <mjc> hmm udevd takes a while for you
[07:16] <mjc> CosmiChaos: bootchart.
[07:16] <CosmiChaos> yes?! not chatting
[07:17] <mjc> CosmiChaos: apt-get install bootchart
[07:17] <mjc> :P
[07:17] <CosmiChaos> ARGH thats FOR <lear, but what then, reboot, ball my nuts and see the bootchart on login?
[07:17] <mjc> note that it will have to slow down your actual boot time by maybe a second or less for instrumentation
[07:17] <CosmiChaos> ???
[07:18] <CosmiChaos> man
[07:18] <CosmiChaos> :D
[07:19] <DanaG> I wonder what I can do to speed up my boot.
[07:19] <CosmiChaos> tweak rc inits
[07:19] <mjc> DanaG: I'm actually looking into why udevd is so slow
[07:19] <DanaG> I also have udev-extras installed just for the heck of it.
[07:20] <CosmiChaos> No manual entry for bootchart
[07:20] <CosmiChaos> ha so how to do it now please?
[07:20] <CosmiChaos> where is it saved?
[07:21] <DanaG> /var/log/bootchart
[07:21] <DanaG> look after you reboot/.
[07:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I've removed uns and lms and lldpd (I don't even remember why I installed that one).
[07:21] <CosmiChaos> thanks i have a look now, brb
[07:21] <mjc> CosmiChaos: you can find out where things are by doing dpkg -L packagename also
[07:22] <CosmiChaos> i usaually watch installed files in synaptic
[07:22] <mjc> for future reference at least
[07:22] <mjc> instead of waiting on one of us
[07:22] <CosmiChaos> but the bootchart itself was not installed
[07:22] <NoelJB> DanaG: anyone else noting that jaunty gdm no longer starts after today's updates?  I've tried repeatedly.  Haven't dug into the logs, yet, but did not spot anything screaming in the X log.
[07:22] <mjc> since the disk in this machine is only 7MB/sec
[07:22] <mjc> NoelJB: do you get anything from startx ?
[07:22] <mjc> log-wise
[07:23] <DanaG> hmm, so the slow udev is being worked on?
[07:23] <mjc> DanaG: it might not actually be that slow, I'll look into it further
[07:23] <NoelJB> mjc: I can't even get to a tty.  It keeps insisting on trying to start X on tty7, stealing focus back there when I try to C-A-Fx.
[07:24] <mjc> NoelJB: ssh in
[07:24] <mjc> :P
[07:24] <NoelJB> mjc: only want I've gotten in so far is booting into the recovery console to see if there were updates.  so for now I'm back to Intrepid boot.
[07:24] <billybigrigger> was there any updates to gdm in the last couple hours? like maybe ~6hrs?
[07:24] <NoelJB> mjc: ah, you mean from another system.  LOL
[07:24] <NoelJB> billybigrigger: I got about 112 today.
[07:24] <mjc> NoelJB: yes or in my case my phone ;)
[07:24] <DanaG> handy thing from recovery: sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[07:24] <DanaG> will prevent gdm from trying to start.
[07:24] <mjc> DanaG: yar good tip
[07:25] <DanaG> then +x to get it back.
[07:25] <billybigrigger> just updated the system and get an error...The greeter application appears to be crashing.  Attempting to use a different one. so i click ok, and it tries to load, and i just get the same screen
[07:25] <billybigrigger> NoelJB, no GDM updates
[07:25] <DanaG> And you can still "sudo gdm" to start gdm manually, or just (non-sudo) startx.
[07:25] <mjc> DanaG: sh /etc/init.d/gdm start should work as wlel
[07:25] <mjc> regardless of +x
[07:25] <NoelJB> DanaG: true.  and I thought that I could put the run level on the bootup, to boot to run level 3, but it didn't work, so I was just going to check the syntax.
[07:26]  * DanaG wishes the radeon driver had power management support.
[07:26] <DanaG> also, just "text" on the command line for boot is supposed to prevent gdm from starting.
[07:26] <DanaG> I never knew that until I saw a comment about it in the changelog for gdm a while ago.
[07:26] <NoelJB> I did try the previous kernel, but that didn't work.  OH!   I did get a message -- ONCE -- about the Greeter application crashing.
[07:27] <NoelJB> DanaG: text instead of "3"?  Worth a shot.
[07:27] <mjc> xdm might be a reasonable interim substitute
[07:27] <billybigrigger> DanaG, im trying to boot "text" now
[07:27] <NoelJB> billybigrigger: you having the same problem?
[07:27] <CosmiChaos> re
[07:27] <CosmiChaos> so bootchart worked, but the image is broken
[07:28] <NoelJB> mjc: I can get to the previous logs, since they are just on another partition.  Anything you'd like for me to check?
[07:28] <CosmiChaos> the right side is cut-off i can watch only till 30secs after that the process-names are cut-off
[07:28] <billybigrigger> NoelJB, whats your problem?
[07:28] <mjc> NoelJB: if you don't see any [WW] or [EE] lines in xorg log, try gdm log
[07:28] <billybigrigger> i just updated my desktop and gdm wont start now
[07:28] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the new notifications suck.
[07:28] <NoelJB> billybigrigger: BINGO
[07:28] <DanaG> Dialogs for actions?  ugly.
[07:29] <DanaG> flickering on mouseover (that is, move mouse back and forth over it and it blinks, without any smoothness)... ugly.
[07:29] <DanaG> Volume control: big empty black box.  Lovely.
[07:29] <Lounge> hey guys is it possible to start jaunty's xserver from a new tty even though im in mint on the other partition?
[07:29] <DanaG> And black box itself clashes violently with my theme.
[07:29] <billybigrigger> NoelJB, something that was just updated in the last 6 hours or so
[07:29] <billybigrigger> NoelJB, gdm is fubard
[07:30] <billybigrigger> oooooh wow
[07:30] <NoelJB> billybigrigger: that's why I popped in here to see if it had been reported, triaged, etc.
[07:30] <Lounge> im have gdm issues too
[07:30] <Lounge> having*
[07:30] <mjc> btw, might want to disclaim that I'm not actually affiliated with ubuntu
[07:30] <billybigrigger> lol i got a new one...started x via recovery console, su'd billybigrigger, startx, then failed to initialize HAL and im getting infinate windows creating themselves
[07:30] <NoelJB> mjc: gdm.0.log.* are almost empty.
[07:30] <mjc> but I am fairly competent around the kernel source and have written tidbits of VM and driver code
[07:31] <mjc> NoelJB: hm
[07:31] <billybigrigger> they just keep creating themselevs, no mouse, no keyboard
[07:31] <mjc> billybigrigger: start with text instead of recovery
[07:31] <billybigrigger> mjc, couldnt figure out how
[07:31] <mjc> billybigrigger: you shouldn't expect recovery to get startx going
[07:31] <NoelJB> mjc: tail end looks like this ...
[07:31] <NoelJB> [    0.001978] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Feb 19 02:09:00 2009
[07:31] <NoelJB> [    0.002077] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:31] <NoelJB>  ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log
[07:31] <mjc> billybigrigger: hit e, then e on the kernel line, then add text at the end, and hit b
[07:31] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: i see no preload in your bootchart
[07:32] <mjc> NoelJB: nothing above that of interest?
[07:32] <billybigrigger> mjc, k, i think i hit the wrong button
[07:32] <NoelJB> Nope
[07:32] <NoelJB> I can give you the whole log, since it is all of about 8 lines.  And that's consistent for all of them since I installed the mods and kept trying to reboot.
[07:32] <DanaG> I see readahead... should I add preload?
[07:33] <billybigrigger> mjc, got 'er, thanks
[07:33] <DanaG> Does it actually help?
[07:33] <mjc> billybigrigger: no prob :)
[07:33] <NoelJB> -------------------
[07:33] <NoelJB> X.Org X Server 1.5.99.902 (1.6.0 RC 2)
[07:33] <NoelJB> Release Date: 2009-1-30
[07:33] <NoelJB> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[07:33] <NoelJB> Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.24-16-server x86_64 Ubuntu
[07:33] <NoelJB> Current Operating System: Linux jaunty 2.6.28-8-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 18 20:36:18 UTC 2009 x86_64
[07:33] <NoelJB> Build Date: 18 February 2009  03:58:35AM
[07:33] <NoelJB> xorg-server 2:1.5.99.902-0ubuntu7 (buildd@crested.buildd)
[07:33] <Lounge> text? as in huh?
[07:33] <NoelJB> 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
[07:33] <NoelJB> 	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[07:33] <DanaG> !paste
[07:33] <NoelJB> Markers: [    0.001658] (--) probed, [    0.001685] (**) from config file, [    0.001706] (==) default setting,
[07:33] <NoelJB> 	[    0.001726] (++) from command line, [    0.001747] (!!) notice, [    0.001766] (II) informational,
[07:33] <NoelJB> 	[    0.001786] (WW) warning, [    0.001806] (EE) error, [    0.001826] (NI) not implemented, [    0.001846] (??) unknown.
[07:33] <NoelJB> [    0.001978] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Feb 19 02:09:00 2009
[07:33] <NoelJB> [    0.002077] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:33] <NoelJB>  ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log
[07:33] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: wait i upload my bootchart it looks compacter than yours, but have you tried "profile" kernel option, thats works best with preload
[07:33] <NoelJB> --------------------
[07:33] <NoelJB> That is the entire thing
[07:33] <NoelJB> DanaG: if it were big, but that really is the entire log.
[07:34] <DanaG> That's still pretty big.
[07:34] <NoelJB> OK
[07:34] <NoelJB> As I said, mjc, there's nothing there.
[07:34] <billybigrigger> mjc, k, i get an error on x startup now, "user switcher" has quit enexpectedly, i take it thats part of gdm?
[07:35] <mjc> NoelJB: weird.
[07:35] <NoelJB> mjc: but there is stuff in messages log.  I'm looking now.
[07:35] <DanaG> " Note that installing preload will not make your system boot faster and that preload is a daemon that runs with root priviledges."
[07:35] <mjc> billybigrigger: I think it talks to gdm yes
[07:35] <NoelJB> Feb 19 02:17:57 jaunty kernel: [   43.234276] gdmgreeter[4632]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000041ea8a sp 00007fff7a965ad0 error 4 in gdmgreeter[400000+34000]
[07:35] <NoelJB> Feb 19 02:18:36 jaunty kernel: [   82.687231] gdmgreeter[4721]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000041ea8a sp 00007fff1a9171a0 error 4 in gdmgreeter[400000+34000]
[07:35] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: Heres my bootchart, installed preload and did kernel option profile once after installing kernel
[07:35] <mjc> NoelJB: aha, there we are
[07:35] <NoelJB> mjc: there we go ... gdmgreeter is dying.
[07:36] <mjc> NoelJB: I guess I will notice it when I update in about 5 minutes
[07:36] <mjc> NoelJB: thanks, now I know what to look for
[07:36] <mjc> NoelJB: check if there is a ticket filed for it
[07:36] <DanaG> My bootchart is rather tall.
[07:36] <DanaG> =P
[07:37] <mjc> DanaG: are you on ext4?
[07:37] <DanaG> yeah.
[07:37] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: OOPS CP FORGOT :d http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jaunty200902191ie5.png
[07:38] <CosmiChaos> 30ssecs :D
[07:38] <NoelJB> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/331390
[07:38] <NoelJB> bingo
[07:38] <mjc> DanaG: you might save a tiny, tiny fraction of time by compiling in your modules so that it won't have to modprobe, but probably not much
[07:38] <mjc> NoelJB: bingo :)
[07:38] <CosmiChaos> core2duo with 2x raptor  one for /boot and /home and one for / all ext4 ;)
[07:38] <mjc> CosmiChaos: ugh, popup notification heh
[07:38] <DanaG> Eh, a fraction is not worth bothering with -- I could save that by shortening my grub delay.
[07:38] <CosmiChaos> ?
[07:39] <CosmiChaos> mjc: what do you mean?
[07:39] <mjc> CosmiChaos: imageshack = popupfest
[07:39] <mjc> I'd suggest amazon s3 or something like that
[07:39] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: fractioN? this is what bootchart created
[07:39] <mjc> CosmiChaos: he was replying to me
[07:39] <CosmiChaos> mjc: dont kow a better one
[07:40] <CosmiChaos> ah ok
[07:40] <DanaG> wow, long readahead.
[07:40] <mjc> amazon s3 is monthly fee but it's $0.17c/gb transfered or so
[07:40] <CosmiChaos> :)
[07:40] <mjc> DanaG: it reads every file it's going to use
[07:40] <mjc> DanaG: that might actually not be necessary with ext4 anymore but I will test it out and see
[07:40]  * billybigrigger_ has the munchies
[07:41] <mjc> DanaG: currently building a udev from git to see if that helps as well but my machine is very different from yours
[07:41] <NoelJB> mjc: I have the apport crash report.  Should I attach it, do you think?
[07:41] <DanaG> right.
[07:41] <DanaG> Here's what my machine is:
[07:41] <mjc> NoelJB: does it give a stack trace?
[07:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/288385
[07:41] <DanaG> but with ATI instead of nvidia.
[07:41] <mjc> ah
[07:42] <DanaG> oh, and where's update-notifier?
[07:42] <DanaG> Oh eyah, and ATI was a deliberate choice, actually.
[07:42] <NoelJB> mjc: procmaps, procstatus, coredump ... don't notice a stack trace.
[07:42] <mjc> DanaG: my jaunty box is dual opteron 246 w/ 512M and ati but using the OSS driver
[07:42] <mjc> NoelJB: coredump should do it
[07:43] <DanaG> My one big gripe about radeon: no powermanagement.
[07:43] <CosmiChaos> mjc: Do you see any tweaking possibilitties at my boot?
[07:43] <mjc> NoelJB: you might try reverting to an older gdm in the meantime
[07:43] <DanaG> 30 watts from battery == bad for battery.
[07:43] <mjc> DanaG: ouch
[07:43] <DanaG> yeah.
[07:43] <DanaG> Idle in windows is 19 or 16 watts.
[07:43] <mjc> DanaG: try powertop
[07:44] <mjc> CosmiChaos: that's pretty zippy
[07:44] <mjc> CosmiChaos: there's a delay at ~22sec
[07:45] <CosmiChaos> mjc:  what about in the middle there is udev stuff that holds some seconds doing nothing ....
[07:45] <NoelJB> mjc: attached to that bug report.
[07:45] <NoelJB> mark stover also attached his
[07:45] <CosmiChaos> or it is modprbing
[07:45] <mjc> NoelJB: cool hopefully the ubuntu team will figure it out
[07:46] <NoelJB> mjc: :-)
[07:46] <DanaG> I'm also a bit curious why I/O throughput is so low on boot.
[07:46] <NoelJB> Reason #378 why I maintain 4 bootable partitions on my laptop.  :-)
[07:46] <mjc> CosmiChaos: the two theories I have at the moment are whether readahead is still necessary in 2.6.28+ with ext4 and whether udev with inotify support speeds things up a little
[07:47] <NoelJB> DanaG: what file system?  I've seen that happen when a file system is badly fragmented.
[07:47] <CosmiChaos> i got readahead installed
[07:47] <DanaG> oh, and what is update-motd?
[07:47] <DanaG> FS is ext4.
[07:47] <DanaG> And /home and / are separate.
[07:47] <NoelJB> Ah, the file system I'll consider in 2010.
[07:47] <mjc> update-motd tells you when you login how many packages need updating
[07:48] <DanaG> I see... I was reading it as "update the MOTD"
[07:48] <mjc> DanaG: yes, that's what it does
[07:48] <CosmiChaos> how to deactivate that?
[07:48] <DanaG> so what about the updating packages notification?
[07:48] <NoelJB> Whomever marked that bug as "medium" has balls.  I'd have called it critical.
[07:48] <mjc> DanaG: it puts package count in the motd
[07:48] <DanaG> which bug medium?
[07:48] <NoelJB> the greeter bug.
[07:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another bug I have on my laptop: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[07:49] <DanaG> On intrepid.
[07:49] <NoelJB> Actually, that one is undecided.  an older one is marked as medium.
[07:49] <DanaG> Notice the nice, hideous stacktrace.
[07:49] <NoelJB> Oh well.  Cheers.  Almost 3AM here.
[07:49] <DanaG> Should I try disabling readahead?
[07:50] <DanaG> Wed Feb 18 23:50:02 PST 2009
[07:50] <mjc> DanaG: I'm going to try it myself
[07:50] <DanaG> How do you disable it? chmod -x?
[07:50] <mjc> DanaG: services-admin
[07:51] <DanaG> heh, gksu services-admin... unlock button is disabled.
[07:51] <mjc> it doesn't need gksu
[07:52] <mjc> hmm
[07:52] <mjc> speaking of that
[07:52] <mjc> services-admin doesn't let you get at the lower level scripts
[07:52] <mjc> shows how much I use the gui :)
[07:53]  * mjc uses X as a way to get >500 terminals open
[07:53] <DanaG> Another of my bugs:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[07:53] <DanaG> should I just chmod -x?
[07:53] <CosmiChaos> most use X to get them finally closed ;)
[07:54] <billybigrigger_> DanaG, did you update today?
[07:54] <mjc> DanaG: nah it will try to execute it anyway and bug out, better to mess with the runlevels in /etc/rcX.d/
[07:54] <billybigrigger_> DanaG, my mulitmedia buttons on my keyboard weren't working today, after updates they worked, i dunno just throwin it out there
[07:54] <DanaG> I'm on 2.6.29 kernel, actually.
[07:54] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: sudo apt-get install bum
[07:55] <CosmiChaos> gksu bum
[07:55] <mjc> hmm
[07:55] <CosmiChaos> rcs for Xers
[07:56] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/220435
[07:56] <CosmiChaos> attention: you can frag your installation (either you can with modding /etc/rc*
[07:57] <mjc> CosmiChaos: if you just move the symlink out of the way you're fine
[07:57] <mjc> editing is a nono though
[07:57] <DanaG> grr, they fixed this other laptop, but not the EliteBook.
[07:57] <CosmiChaos> of course so this way you can do it quicker if your not a prompt-god :D
[07:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/325560
[07:57] <DanaG> Needs exactly the same sort of keycodes.
[07:58] <mjc> sometimes brightness keys are acpi controlled
[07:58] <mjc> depends on the machine
[07:58] <mjc> (for laptop)
[07:58] <histo> okay there has to be an open source solution or linux solution for this :(
[07:58] <DanaG> That's not the problem; the issue is the keycvodes.
[07:58] <DanaG> adding setkeycodes fixed it.
[07:59] <histo> I want ot make a touch screen jukebox.  Looking for software
[07:59] <histo> basic like album art browser to play mp3s etc..
[07:59] <histo> Anyone know of anything?
[07:59] <DanaG> mediastyle?
[07:59] <DanaG> er
[07:59] <DanaG> I mean
[07:59] <DanaG> lemme find it
[07:59] <DanaG> !info elisa
[08:00] <CosmiChaos> !info mms
[08:00] <CosmiChaos> argh
[08:00] <DanaG> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01633269&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=3860346&os=2020&lang=en
[08:00] <CosmiChaos> !info mymediasystem
[08:00] <CosmiChaos> tz
[08:01] <histo> I've checkout elisa
[08:01] <CosmiChaos> no check mms
[08:01] <CosmiChaos> www.mymediasystem.org
[08:02]  * DanaG wishes his bug reports would get at least a little bit more attention.
[08:02] <mjc> brb, cat knocked something over
[08:03] <mjc> fyi there is a great blog post on how to read bootchart
[08:04] <DanaG> Thu Feb 19 00:04:19 PST 2009
[08:04]  * DanaG goes to try a reboot... and then go to bed.
[08:06] <mjc> CosmiChaos: http://www.linux.com/feature/151496
[08:06] <mjc> teaches you how to read the graph
[08:07] <CosmiChaos> thanks dude
[08:08] <mjc> np
[08:08] <CosmiChaos> brb studien that
[08:08] <mjc> fyi sure enough no thermal zone in intrepid
[08:09] <mjc> have to roll your own kernel to get it
[08:11] <stovenator> in case anybody is interested in the broken gdmgreeter... I updated the bug, downgrading libgtk2.0 fixed the issue for me.
[08:12] <CosmiChaos> mjc: nothing in that manual that makes it as obvious at it is
[08:12] <mjc> CosmiChaos: there is not a whole lot in your chart that can be optimized for easy gain as his example could
[08:13] <mjc> CosmiChaos: but the example should make it pretty clear if you look at what he's talking about in the image
[08:13] <mjc> stovenator: nice, thanks
[08:13] <CosmiChaos> hehe yes the example comes with cups and tor, btw, mine buut is pretty much fast, dont think i need more optimisaticon
[08:14] <stovenator> errr... apparently two bugs
[08:14] <stovenator> I updated duplicate
[08:14] <stovenator> see here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/331390
[08:14] <CosmiChaos> bootchart says about 33secs, but i feel it longer, (powerrest,apg-bios,post,window manager loaded
[08:15] <billybigrigger_> stovenator, ill check that out right now, thanks
[08:15] <DanaG> Wow, without readahead, it took 45 seconds.
[08:15] <DanaG> Longer.
[08:15] <DanaG> er
[08:15] <DanaG> 45 seconds, which is longer than the 37.
[08:16] <CosmiChaos> hardly a optimased windows xp would boot faster, but all the rest (vista,seven) is quite left behind
[08:16] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/jaunty-20090219-2.png
[08:17] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: had you "profiled" your kernel? that saves additional time
[08:17] <DanaG> Profiling for readahead?
[08:17] <mjc> DanaG: readahead definitely helps
[08:17] <DanaG> yeah.
[08:18] <mjc> I didn't think it would be really necessary but I guess it's just a matter of priming the cache
[08:18] <mjc> makes sense
[08:18] <DanaG> I still have one biggest thing I wish they'd fix: radeon power mangement.
[08:18] <DanaG> That's more important to me than mostly everything else.
[08:18] <DanaG> Oh, and the mute key is a bit interesting, too, as commented in that "hotkeys" bug.
[08:18] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[08:19] <CosmiChaos> DanaG: the bad thing is that more than 60% use nvidia
[08:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah, this laptop also happens to have UEFI boot mode, though I don't use it because grub2 doesn't have savedefault.
[08:20]  * DanaG needs to go to bed..... now.
[08:20] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and one question: if I wanted to make a liveusb disk, but change what kernel it had... how would I do that?
[08:20] <DanaG> I want to make a live-SDHC disk (yes, my laptop can boot from the SD card!), but the 2.6.28 kernel doesn't have working card reader.  2.6.29 does.
[08:21] <DanaG> Oh great, now my brightness indicator is ALSO the big, fugly, clashy, EMPTY black box.
[08:21] <billybigrigger_> stovenator, libgtk2.0-0???
[08:21] <DanaG> Thaaanks, notify-osd.
[08:21] <CosmiChaos> rofl boot from sd? what is the purpose?
[08:22] <CosmiChaos> incred speed? :D
[08:22] <DanaG> just for the  heck of it.
[08:22] <DanaG> Actually, my internal card reader only gives 15 megabytes per second.
[08:22] <CosmiChaos> but
[08:22] <stovenator> billybigrigger: yep
[08:22] <DanaG> It also defaults to quite-very-painful (as in, makes Core2 feel like P2) PIO mode.
[08:22] <CosmiChaos> the access time is really short
[08:22] <mjc> DanaG: ouch
[08:22] <CosmiChaos> make it jounral :D
[08:22] <CosmiChaos> journal
[08:22] <DanaG> I had to manually do debug_quirks=2 to force DMA.
[08:22] <mjc> nah, that doesn't help much
[08:23] <DanaG> Works fine with DMA.
[08:23] <billybigrigger_> stovenator, apt-get install libgtk2.0-0=2.15.4-0ubuntu1
[08:23] <billybigrigger_> ???
[08:23] <billybigrigger_> thats how i downgrade libgtk2.0-0 no?
[08:23] <billybigrigger_> or is 2.15.4 the one that just installed?
[08:23] <DanaG> great, now changing the icon makes the whole danged SCREEN blink at me.
[08:23] <stovenator> billy: I downgraded to libgtk2.0-0                                2.15.3-0ubuntu2
[08:24] <billybigrigger_> ooooh
[08:24] <stovenator> but only cause that's what was on my system already in the apt cache
[08:25] <stovenator> It was easier to do that than to try to mess with wpa_supplicant
[08:25] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[08:25] <DanaG> that's HP's netbook theme.
[08:25] <CosmiChaos> i dont like having FLASH for operation systems because of the extrem high amount of write-accesses, probably your USB-Ubuntu has the first defekt blocks after some days or weeks ;/
[08:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and my current theme:
[08:25] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png
[08:25] <stovenator> cause my network was down
[08:25] <DanaG> See how a black box would clash with that?
[08:25] <DanaG> Yeah, I know you can't see the icons.. but considering I can count my desktop icons one one hand, it really doesn't matter.
[08:26] <DanaG> er, not quite one hand.
[08:26] <mjc> I have zero icons on the desktop ;)
[08:26] <CosmiChaos> dana: thats standard human
[08:26] <mjc> then again I used ratpoison for many years
[08:26] <DanaG> I have HP_Tools partition, Vista partition, SDHC card, a random folder, Desktop (symlink back to ~), Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos, gnome-terminal, and wmhdplop.
[08:26] <DanaG> Not quite Human.
[08:27] <DanaG> Looks more like an alien to me.
[08:27] <DanaG> =þ
[08:27] <DanaG> heh, just had to make that joke.
[08:27] <CosmiChaos> zero icons = different wallpapers possible
[08:27] <mjc> DanaG: did you give powertop a shot? for reducing power consumption
[08:27] <CosmiChaos> thats for good
[08:27] <DanaG> mjc: won't do much good if the GPU is running full-bore.
[08:27] <mjc> DanaG: might still shave off a watt or two
[08:27] <DanaG> ... and yet not accelerating anything.
[08:27] <CosmiChaos> i m,ean multiple different wallpapers on difiernt viewports ;)
[08:27] <DanaG> One watt out of 30... not worth it.
[08:28] <mjc> DanaG: I got 6 watts off my intrepid setup
[08:28]  * DanaG has R600 -> no compiz.
[08:28] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I've also tweaked laptop-mode-tools and my journal commit time to keep hard drive spun down.
[08:28] <DanaG> And now my firefox and thunderbird profiles, and pidgin logs, are on the sdhc card.
[08:28] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and in case you may wonder, I did pick that orange color from the wallpaper for this time.
[08:29] <mjc> brb.
[08:31] <CosmiChaos> *THUMBS-UP* DanaG try to remove those statistics from your panel, that takes extra cpu-cyles every second
[08:31] <CosmiChaos> powertop in mind
[08:31]  * DanaG hates how the brightness and volume sliders are just plain nonfunctional now.
[08:31] <DanaG> Not worth bothering with while the GPU is sucking ... oh, 30 - 19... = about 12 watts.
[08:32] <DanaG> Once fglrx is fixed (if I'm lucky), or radeon gets real power management, then I can try to trim the 19.
[08:33] <mjc> much better.
[08:33]  * DanaG hates how the brightness and volume sliders are just plain nonfunctional now.
[08:34] <DanaG> I mean, it changes, but shows just a big empty, clashy black box.
[08:34] <DanaG> And try mousing over the thing... it's distractign having it JUMP to darker.
[08:34] <CosmiChaos> Every panel-plugin takes  ram, ram need refreshing --> watts, every graph needs to be calced by the cpu --> watts e.g fire up gnome-system-monitor,, close everything other, now watch the average load, now alter the graph settings and make it every 10 seconds, now wait a minuteä
[08:34] <DanaG> Compare the gnome-power-manager or gnome-screensaver fade... to the OS X sudden drop in brightness.
[08:34] <CosmiChaos> smaller cpu-usage
[08:34]  * DanaG makes it 5 second refresh.
[08:35] <CosmiChaos> that is important or a cpu beeing able to pwersave
[08:35] <mjc> cosmichaos: techincally it is CPU wakeups from idle
[08:35] <mjc> as RAM needs refreshing regardless
[08:35] <mjc> otherwise it forgets
[08:35] <CosmiChaos> 5secs is ok, but at all, you really need that in your PANEL and all the other stuff? O.o
[08:35] <DanaG> But with the GPU running full-bore, it's really a moot point!
[08:36] <mjc> danag: agreed.
[08:36] <CosmiChaos> mjc: yes you are right the hole ram needs to be refreshed anyways, :-X nevermind
[08:36] <DanaG> It's like having a car running downhil.... in neutral (i.e. unaccelerated)... with the engine redlining.
[08:36] <mjc> you should be able to get powersaving in intrepid no?
[08:37] <mjc> cosmichaos: install powertop, should help if you are on a laptop
[08:37] <DanaG> Kernel in Jaunty helps with random things -- like the card reader, and the sound, and such.
[08:37] <CosmiChaos> its just for measuring, that shows you which processes waking the cpu
[08:37] <CosmiChaos> defietly a cpu needs long halt states to efficiently save power
[08:38] <mjc> cosmichaos: it gives you more than just measuring, some recommendations
[08:38] <CosmiChaos> 5 seconds is not really nong for a laptop
[08:38] <CosmiChaos> i mean user is away
[08:38] <CosmiChaos> but graph shows cpu load :////
[08:38] <mjc> cosmichaos: also shows you whicih apps are causing wakeups from idle
[08:38] <mjc> cosmichaos: it is deisgned by intel and does a great job
[08:38] <CosmiChaos> yeah
[08:38] <DanaG> One laptop I have around here: P4-based Celeron.
[08:38] <DanaG> Utterly stupid.
[08:39] <mjc> fex. 500wkups/sec from polling /dev/scd0 on my laptop
[08:39] <CosmiChaos> but you need no powertop to think about what is needed and what is more or less senseless
[08:39] <mjc> cosmichaos: untrue
[08:39] <CosmiChaos> i can pimp my screen up with widgets for anything like hell
[08:39] <mjc> cosmichaos if you do not monitor you have no basis for comparison
[08:39] <mjc> if they all use libevent they won't bother anybody
[08:39] <CosmiChaos> oh yeah nvidia accelerated.... still the cpu does the non graphical processes
[08:39] <mjc> on the other hand ONE adobe air app = nearly 1k wakeups/sec
[08:40] <stovenator> billybigrigger_: did that work for you?
[08:40] <mjc> cosmichaos if you do not measure you cannot guess.  eg gkrellm uses almost no power on my laptop
[08:40] <mjc> 0.1w
[08:40] <mjc> despite checking all kinds of crap
[08:40] <CosmiChaos> you can monitor it manually with powertop at first when you config your system right, or if you quickly need to find out what process kills the batterie
[08:41] <mjc> whereas a twitter app in adobe air wakes up 900x/sec or more
[08:41] <mjc> cosmichaos: percentages are very useful
[08:41] <CosmiChaos> but avoiding processes sucking on memory cannot be done be powertop all the way, ok you can start it as sudo at it trys to kill those wakeups if you like
[08:41] <CosmiChaos> but after a reboot there are still there
[08:41] <mjc> cosmichaos: memory doesn't matter for battery life
[08:42] <billybigrigger_> stovenator, no im caught up watching a movie on my laptop haha
[08:42] <CosmiChaos> a panel-graph is a cpu-load waster not a cpu-load shower ;) thats all that i want to make my point
[08:42] <CosmiChaos> i meant batterie
[08:42] <CosmiChaos> not memorY
[08:42] <mjc> cosmichaos: a correctly written one will not cause any extra wakeups/sec
[08:42] <billybigrigger_> stovenator, k, i wasnt really paying attention before either, i have Version: 2.15.4-0ubuntu1 installed
[08:42] <DanaG> USB audio also drains quite a bit.
[08:43] <mjc> yeah
[08:43] <CosmiChaos> no every does any
[08:43] <mjc> usb audio + laptop = failure :P
[08:43] <CosmiChaos> at least a slicy
[08:43] <billybigrigger_> stovenator, sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
[08:43] <billybigrigger_> ???
[08:43] <mjc> cosmichaos done right it would simply record instrumentation using libevent every minute or so
[08:43] <CosmiChaos> or does your graphical card read out the cpu-load-state
[08:44] <stovenator> billy: the problem with using apt-get is that the only version in the repository is the broken one
[08:44] <CosmiChaos> no the cpu itself does
[08:44] <CosmiChaos> every record needs a cpu-process
[08:44] <CosmiChaos> every libevent-trace
[08:44] <CosmiChaos> EVERYTHING
[08:44] <CosmiChaos> ;()
[08:44] <stovenator> billy: I don't claim to be an apt expert... what I did was use dpkg with the packages that were still in my /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory
[08:44] <mjc> cosmichaos: the impact of reading items via libevent is miniscule
[08:44] <mjc> not noticable
[08:44] <CosmiChaos> or do you plug your brain in and load it into memory yourself :D
[08:45] <CosmiChaos> but it is any, and some do set there graphs to show not only cpu
[08:45] <Stralytic> what's with the notifications? mine have all become dialogs with "ignore in future, cancel, ok" on them
[08:45] <DanaG> But... any time I have use for my USB sound card... is a time where I'm tethered anyway.
[08:45] <DanaG> =P
[08:45] <mjc> unfortunately my laptop has older hardware that doesn't do aggressive voltage regulation
[08:45] <CosmiChaos> but 10thing from cpu to net
[08:45] <CosmiChaos> and they let it rescan every 0.5 secs
[08:45] <billybigrigger_> stovenator, can i /msg you?
[08:45] <CosmiChaos> just for showing it all the time on the desktop ;)
[08:45] <stovenator> sure
[08:46] <CosmiChaos> ist that wasting?
[08:46] <mjc> cosmichaos: gkrellm does it just fine without using more than 0.1w
[08:46] <mjc> well written code (ish)
[08:46] <CosmiChaos> at all, when i need that information i got it in two clicks
[08:46] <mjc> cosmichaos: that depends if you have enough IO left to get to it
[08:47] <mjc> my laptop's disk is 7MB/sec
[08:47] <mjc> spinning up disk uses more than a couple extra cpu cycles per minute
[08:48] <CosmiChaos> thats not my point
[08:48] <CosmiChaos> i only talk about panel-monitoring
[08:48] <mjc> shrug. i see those as a waste
[08:48] <CosmiChaos> but hmmm
[08:48] <mjc> I barely even ever use gnome
[08:49] <CosmiChaos> oh you see kde is small outlined :D
[08:49] <mjc> xfce
[08:49] <mjc> butwhen on battery, ratpoison
[08:49] <CosmiChaos> gnome is ok, depends on how much you filled it up
[08:50] <CosmiChaos> in oposite to that kde is a mountain of trash
[08:50] <CosmiChaos> but i wont start a flamewar
[08:50] <CosmiChaos> :D
[08:50]  * CosmiChaos leaves quickly
[08:53] <CosmiChaos> i saw a monitor-kid once that had cairo-dock, and there was CPU, RAM, NET(up/down), DISCSPACE of 3 hds
[08:54] <CosmiChaos> i watched his process list and found out that the cpu has a 0% load just for querying all those states every 0,5 secs
[08:54] <mjc> cosmichaos: I don't think the person you are trying to argue against even exists in this channel
[08:54] <CosmiChaos> doesnt need to
[08:54] <CosmiChaos> ;)
[08:54] <mjc> well then why are you wasting precious electrons ;)
[08:54] <CosmiChaos> i hope so :D
[08:55] <mjc> keyboard interrupt wakes machine from idle
[08:55] <CosmiChaos> i do not waster, im lying in my bad, hearing music and chatting with my brother, this chat is just overhead
[08:55] <CosmiChaos> :D
[08:56] <mjc> :P
[08:56] <billybigrigger> stovenator, all good
[08:56] <CosmiChaos> mjc: so you think powering the pc on is a waste of cpu-interruption
[08:56] <CosmiChaos> get back too wood and stone would be most efficient then
[08:57] <CosmiChaos> O.o
[08:57] <mjc> no ust saying that keyboard interrupt is the mots common cause of cpu waking from idle
[08:57] <CosmiChaos> yes watching a movie or hearing music is a waste of cpu-cycles
[08:57] <CosmiChaos> but it is not the same wasting than a panel-monitor :D
[08:58] <CosmiChaos> MF but only on dekstop? you cant say that for servers
[08:58] <cowbud> is it just me or is the jump to amarok 2 a bit premature?
[08:58] <CosmiChaos> my linux router has no keyboard at all ;)
[08:58] <cowbud> CosmiChaos: weird
[08:59] <mjc> cosmichaos: for servers it is NIC
[09:00] <CosmiChaos> i guess the most heavy interrupts are irc-signals for leaving and joining of idlers :D
[09:00] <CosmiChaos> there it is
[09:00] <mjc> cosmichaos: no, typing is more so
[09:00] <cowbud> HRMM
[09:01] <CosmiChaos> but when you calc whats after the interrupt going on
[09:01] <CosmiChaos> a keypress takes no heavy calculation
[09:01] <CosmiChaos> its an interupt, ASCII traversal and done
[09:01] <mjc> cosmichaos: wakeup from idle uses more power than the calculation
[09:02] <mjc> cosmichaos: and no, you have to think of screen updates, network IO, there is a hell of a lot more than that
[09:02] <mjc> cosmichaos: you are making guesses, I have actually done the profiling
[09:02]  * Stralytic yawns
[09:02] <CosmiChaos> thats for sure, i can eat a bread without using any energy as input if i were asleep during that :O
[09:02] <CosmiChaos> mööp
[09:03] <CosmiChaos> when i press a key cpu care of network io????
[09:04] <mjc> cosmichaos: say you are typing into ssh, or you press enter and that triggers a network request
[09:04] <CosmiChaos> what do you press "ENTER" on "connect"? :)
[09:04] <mjc> also in gnome a lot of things send text off to aspell
[09:04] <CosmiChaos> wow super, you can check ANY process at any key than
[09:05] <CosmiChaos> this is not about the keypressing
[09:05] <CosmiChaos> it is about the code of the programm that responds to a key
[09:05] <CosmiChaos> oh dear
[09:05] <mjc> anyway the actual keypress interrupt is the initiator of the wake from idle
[09:05] <mjc> wake from idle is the actual issue
[09:05] <CosmiChaos> but the keypress itself just takes a small amount of energy
[09:05] <CosmiChaos> thats fact
[09:06] <mjc> waking the cpu from idle takes a considerable amount
[09:06] <CosmiChaos> your network io takes more
[09:06] <CosmiChaos> yes any network io is a wakeup from idle
[09:06] <CosmiChaos> ANY PROCESS IS
[09:06] <mjc> cosmichaos: ok, if I take a typing test on my laptop (just typing into gedit) for example, I draw 2 more watts of power during the test
[09:07] <CosmiChaos> the keypress is just "i pressed a key" cpu says: ok what now
[09:07] <mjc> same for if I type into nano in the console
[09:07] <mjc> 2w
[09:07] <mjc> because of keyboard interrupts
[09:07] <CosmiChaos> when editing gedit
[09:07] <CosmiChaos> you not just only pressing keys
[09:07] <CosmiChaos> you doing much much more thingsits just a
[09:07] <mjc> I don't need an explanation, I just gave it to you
[09:07] <CosmiChaos> tbe precice
[09:08] <mjc> pressng random keys on a dead VT still results in 2 watts extra draw for a centrino
[09:08]  * Stralytic yawns again
[09:08] <mjc> modern machines still don't do much better than that
[09:08] <CosmiChaos> make a programm that does NOTHING just waits
[09:08] <CosmiChaos> in that time hit the keys
[09:08] <CosmiChaos> no you know what a keypress takes
[09:08] <CosmiChaos> now
[09:09] <mjc> cosmichaos: just use a dead VT
[09:10] <CosmiChaos> anyway writing takes more energy than pressing keys (that interrupts cpu)
[09:12] <dhq> wats the diff main release and the otherone
[09:13] <mnemo> any ETA on when pulseaudio starts to work again???  this is getting really painful (it got worse and worse over the days and with the updates this morning I can no longer play audio in any app) ...
[09:13] <CosmiChaos> i say any process interrupt times out the processor and uses energy, but just key-pressing is the smallest at all because it takes NO advice for the cpu
[09:13] <Stralytic> mnemo, me too
[09:14] <Stralytic> has jaunty+1 been named yet?
[09:14] <mnemo> no
[09:14] <CosmiChaos> so it can after that theoretically immediately switch back to halt-state, well it could not do that immediately if it has to process a programm that was triggered ky the key
[09:15] <mnemo> is there a workaround to get audio playing on current jaunty bits???
[09:15] <Stralytic> CosmiChaos, shut up, for god sake, let it go
[09:15] <mnemo> (I tried to kill pulse but no sound)
[09:16] <CosmiChaos> Stralytic: halt selber die fresse mann
[09:16] <CosmiChaos> Stralytic: dont swear
[09:23] <histo> CosmiChaos: sleep
[09:24] <histo> CosmiChaos: just use sleep
[09:24] <Stralytic> nooo, don't get him started again
[09:24] <mjc> yay I managed to reduce the file size of my bootcharts by 85%
[09:25] <mjc> ust realized I had 600MB of them
[09:25] <Stralytic> why for
[09:25] <mjc> had it on for several months and forgot
[09:29] <Stralytic> mjc, you reboot that frequently?
[09:31] <CosmiChaos> just remove the old :)
[09:32] <CosmiChaos> alphasate requires often to reboot ....
[09:53] <Lounge> okay got back into jaunty by booting through text mode, and starting x but...
[09:53] <Lounge> this new 2.6.28-8 image is chewing on my cores
[09:54] <Lounge> and gdm is still broke
[09:54] <ikonia> Lounge: an update to the 27 8.10 kernel has increased the load for me too, I wonder if there is a link
[09:55] <Lounge> boot process was was snailing and teh cpu was like around 70 - 80%
[09:56] <Lounge> ikonia: if you still have 2.6.28-7, i'd use that for now
[09:56] <ikonia> my average load went through the roof with cpu's peaking regular
[09:56] <ikonia> Lounge: I'll look into it
[09:56] <ikonia> I know myrtii had similar issues too
[09:56] <Lounge> i don't know about you guys but i have to startx manually
[09:57] <ikonia> I'm not on jaunty at the moment, but I've not had to
[09:57] <Lounge> you can chroot into it?
[09:58] <ikonia> errrr I could but I'm not on a machine with jaunty on at the moment
[09:58] <Lounge> aw
[09:59] <Lounge> atm im running mint 2.6.24-23-generic on the other lvm group
[10:21] <nigel> hi guys relative newbie trying Jaunty alpha 4...all going well til last update loaded stupidly on both machines earlier today.
[10:22] <nigel> both different specs have hit a critical error on the display server
[10:22] <ikonia> what video card is in them ?
[10:22] <nigel> both Nvidias but different one old fx5000 and the other a 7200 without checking
[10:23] <nigel> hey ikonia sorry for bugging you b4
[10:23] <ikonia> nigel: there you go
[10:23] <ikonia> nigel: both use 3rd party drivers
[10:23] <ikonia> nigel: the kernel update has probably broke those drivers
[10:24] <ikonia> development release = lots of kernel rebuild/updates so things like that (3rd party drivers) will break
[10:24] <nigel> yes and both were working well with full compiz on them...the update automatic crashed them...so figured it was the jaunty updates?
[10:24] <nigel> oIC
[10:24] <ikonia> yes, probably a kernel update
[10:24] <nigel> so I sit and wait yes..
[10:24] <nigel> I originally came on to file a bug...got excited lol
[10:25] <ikonia> depends on where the problem is, could be the jaunty kernel build, could be the 3rd party drivers
[10:25] <nigel> ok thanks...no way of knowing my end
[10:25] <nigel> as the dumb newb I am
[10:26] <nigel> anyway of going back pre-updates??
[10:26] <ikonia> you can roll back, but I wouldn't receommend it as it may break other stuff
[10:26] <ikonia> plus - the whole point of testing is to use the updates and test them
[10:26] <nigel> yes but I'll try it used to computers on fresh installs that I use for messing with distros
[10:27] <ikonia> you'll try what ?
[10:27] <nigel> btw Jaunty looks way cool
[10:27] <nigel> rolling back..is it that I can command line this someway or just re-install
[10:27] <duncan-nz> Anyone... where has searching and indexing gone?
[10:28] <nigel> I know this probably seems like a terrible waste of time for you guys
[10:28] <nigel> but it is reaking my fear of breaking the OS
[10:29] <ikonia> nigel: enjoy then
[10:30] <ikonia> duncan-nz: didn't know it had gone
[10:30] <nigel> yes will do....maybe only on one machine
[10:30] <ikonia> ok
[10:30] <duncan-nz> have a look, maybe it's just me...
[10:30] <duncan-nz> ikonia, see above.
[10:30] <nigel> bye
[10:31] <ikonia> duncan-nz: my VM has it - but that's not been updated for ages
[10:31] <ikonia> duncan-nz: I'll need to update it
[10:32] <duncan-nz> ikonia, you really need a fresh install to be sure. i don't think all existing things get removed during upgrades.
[10:32] <ikonia> a very good point
[10:32] <duncan-nz> ikonia, but just try a live cd
[10:32] <duncan-nz> ikonia, it seems very odd to.
[10:33] <duncan-nz> TRACKER QUESTION. Anyone know where the whole search and index system has gone?
[11:21] <virtuelv> is anyone having problems with Jaunty insisting on devices connecting using mtp?
[11:21] <virtuelv> and never settling down so they mount
[11:29] <maco> mtp devices dont get mounted in the usual way
[11:47] <idorock89> hey guys i am still on intrepid since i need a stable system but i heard that yesterday the new notification system finally shaped up well
[11:48] <idorock89> and so ppl if u could get some screenshots from u  pls?
[11:48] <idorock89> while changing volume or changing song or getting im msg
[11:48] <idorock89> pls post it here
[11:49] <Tekno_> screenshot of what
[11:49] <virtuelv> idorock89: the notification when changing volume is pitch black, so I guess that's not something you'd want
[11:50] <virtuelv> That also, btw, should tell you that it's not yet in any state worth mentioning
[11:50] <virtuelv> either way, jaunty is driving me up the wall right now
[11:51] <virtuelv> it's refusing to mount my sony walkman
[11:51] <virtuelv> although MTP works well, but I wouldn't let MTP near the contents of a music device if hell froze over and satan came dancing with penguins
[11:52] <virtuelv> (and the mtp thing is with all mtp-capable devices -- it's so retarded that I'm ready to scream, but dmesg is telling me exactly nothing of value
[11:52] <virtuelv> )
[12:01] <idorock89> virtuelv: sorry to hear it aint going too well for u . i cant stand such bugs so am with intrepid till now. btw saw other ppl in the forum haveing the same probs with the volume notification so they would work on it.
[12:01] <idorock89> but some one else who has the notifications working well then pls post screenshots of the new notifications
[12:08] <scizzo-> idorock89: the notifications are still a work in progress I believe
[12:08] <scizzo-> idorock89: hard to actually make a good screenshot of it...the best is to check what is blogged about the notifications
[12:08] <idorock89> scizzo-: yeah but yesterday they made major changes to it and right now for ppl for whom it does work it works beeautifully
[12:08] <idorock89> so wanted to see some screenshots my slef
[12:09] <idorock89> if u have the latest updated version of jaunty then u should see for urself
[12:09] <mak_> Hi FOlks
[12:09] <mak_> this is about openvpn problem with the jaunty package
[12:09] <mak_> any one here to help me
[12:10] <mak_> ubuntu - 9.04 Jaunty Package is having problem with openvpn connection
[12:16] <mak_> Nobody answers here
[12:18] <mak_> aby one out dere...should i downgrade to ubuntu-8.10 ,,,,
[12:18] <osp> hi guys, gdmgreeter is segfaulting after upgrade to Alpha4
[12:18] <osp> any idea how I could get this fixed/
[12:20] <IntuitiveNipple> osp: Can you upgrade beyond that from a Recovery console command-line ?
[12:20] <mvo_> osp: the next gtk update will fix it
[12:21] <osp> IntuitiveNipple: did try upgrading it but no luck
[12:21] <osp> mvo_: any idea when it will  be rolled out?
[12:22] <mvo_> osp: it should be available within the next hours from archive.ubuntu.com
[12:22] <osp> I was too happy to see nvidia working on alpha4 :) but couldn't be happy with the installation due to this glich
[12:22] <osp> mvo_: nice
[12:22] <osp> :)
[12:22] <mvo_> the normal aplha troubles :)
[12:23] <osp> mvo_: did any one report this? I wanted to post it but was heldup with my students in classroom
[12:23] <osp> mvo_: I know ;) and I love to live with such troules at times
[12:24] <osp> I'm living inside console right now on my laptop....
[12:24] <mvo_> osp: it was reported, but I don't know the bugnumber right now
[12:24] <mvo_> osp: startx (after you killed gdm) will give you X at least :)
[12:25] <osp> mvo_: ;)
[12:26] <mrp> ss
[12:26] <mrp> oops
[12:29] <TuTUXG> nvidia driver just keeps crashing my X? any ideas?
[12:29] <TuTUXG> 180.29
[12:30] <fosco_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6378516&postcount=25
[12:30] <fosco_> try that
[12:31] <TuTUXG> fosco_, thanks, will try
[12:32] <TuTUXG> fosco_, i was fine before the recent restricted-modules update
[13:27] <osp> mvo_: love you man! gtk patches released.. I'm back online.... thanks dude
[13:41] <CosmiChaos> its feature freeze
[13:44] <scizzo-> CosmiChaos: I believe that when Alpha 5 comes
[13:55] <maxb> Anyone else noticing *significantly* slower screen drawing with today's updates?
[13:56] <CosmiChaos> screen drawing?
[13:57] <CosmiChaos> dont know mine x is rendered with hardware acceleration
[13:57] <CosmiChaos> fast as usual
[13:58] <maxb> e.g., I change channel in xchat, and the lines of text visibly appear one after the other sweeping from top to bottom of the screen, instead of an instant switch
[13:58] <scizzo-> maxb: check mem usage
[13:58] <scizzo-> maxb: free -mto
[13:59] <maxb> it's not that
[13:59] <scizzo-> is there other apps acting the same way?
[14:00] <CosmiChaos> im with jaunty 64 alpha 4 latest dist-upgrades, this is 2.6.28-8 and gnome-xchat, everything switches instant as usual, cant confirm
[14:01] <maxb> yes, there's a noticable slowness in anything involving screen redrawing compared to before rebooting after today's updates
[14:01] <CosmiChaos> *g* then i better wait for the next upgrades until i restart
[14:01] <CosmiChaos> maybe it was glib
[14:01] <BUGabundo> humm
[14:01] <BUGabundo> I still haven't got my updates
[14:01] <BUGabundo> all your talk is making me not apply them
[14:01] <CosmiChaos> thats always in alpha
[14:02] <CosmiChaos> yesterday updates broke my grub something
[14:02] <CosmiChaos> at somepoint youhave only few files of upgrade available so that dependencies are not fit
[14:02] <CosmiChaos> so attention to any deinstallation that would haben when you upgrade
[14:03] <CosmiChaos> and then manually deselect that upgrades for a later survey
[14:03]  * BUGabundo h@tes the new gwibber notifies popups for jaunty :(
[14:03] <CosmiChaos> haben=happen
[14:04] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: what is that?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> what is what?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> gwibber?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> its a µblog app
[14:05] <CosmiChaos> the new gwibber notifies popups for jaunty
[14:05] <BUGabundo> to use with identica, jaiku, twitter, etc
[14:05] <CosmiChaos> cant find gwibber in synaptic
[14:05] <CosmiChaos> is it maintained?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> its in universe
[14:05] <BUGabundo> yep, by jorge, fta, arstecninca, greg, etc
[14:06] <BUGabundo> its new!
[14:06] <CosmiChaos> hm all sources activated, search for gwibber in name and details show 0 results
[14:06] <Pici> Theres also a PPA with more frequent updates.
[14:07] <BUGabundo> pici there are several
[14:07] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[14:07] <BUGabundo> team, fta, and daily
[14:08] <BUGabundo> mvo ping you around?
[14:08] <BUGabundo> already have the logs from failsafe and compiz
[14:10] <BUGabundo> Pici: mvo: UM: E: The package cache file is corrupted \n E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[14:10] <BUGabundo> does that tell you guys anything? I get that a lot
[14:11] <CosmiChaos> !info gwibber
[14:12] <CosmiChaos> lolz
[14:13]  * BUGabundo hummm wrong window ? I guess so...
[14:13] <BUGabundo> sorry for the (attempted) spam
[14:13] <CosmiChaos> is ok we saw nothing :)
[14:13] <CosmiChaos> lolz
[14:14] <CosmiChaos> having fun *g*
[14:14] <CosmiChaos> !pastebin BUGabundo
[14:14] <CosmiChaos> !paste BUGabundo
[14:14] <CosmiChaos> ah
[14:14] <BUGabundo> I know CosmiChaos
[14:15] <BUGabundo> just check lp.net/gwibber
[14:15] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:24] <CosmiChaos> My mediakeys wont work any suggestons?
[14:24] <CosmiChaos> heyy i can rebind them
[14:24] <BUGabundo> my stop too a while back
[14:24] <BUGabundo> can't start kmail from keyboard now
[14:24] <CosmiChaos> few days ago keyboard shortcuts hasnt responded to any media key, nice
[14:25] <BUGabundo> tried to check what was up with keytouchd but everything seems fine!
[14:25] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: try rebind them System > Preferences Keyboardshortcuts
[14:26] <CosmiChaos> mine work now
[14:26] <BUGabundo> there's no entrie for kmail there
[14:26] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:26] <BUGabundo> there's email....
[14:26] <CosmiChaos> of yourse there is launch mail programm
[14:27] <BUGabundo> what I meant is that it doesn't detect my Fn+mail
[14:27] <CosmiChaos> if kmail is your default it should load
[14:27] <BUGabundo> it doesn't detect my Fn+mail
[14:27] <CosmiChaos> oh i dont know if FN used to work at all, i have special single mediakeys
[14:27] <BUGabundo> the only way I got it working was with keytouchd
[14:27] <BUGabundo> but that now won't work either
[14:54] <tretle> anyone have issues with the volume notification
[14:54] <tretle> ?
[14:55] <CosmiChaos> how do i apply gtk-themes for superuser aplications (like synaptic). i know some work but i.e overglossed only just works for the user, all superuseraplications still in clearlooks, sudo gtk-theme-switch2 didnt work either, please help
[14:56] <tretle> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/09/18/theme-applications-running-as-root-in-ubuntu/
[14:57] <BUGabundo> tretle: like it not showing 90% of the time?
[14:57] <tretle> ?
[15:08] <askand> Is it onlye me who get poor performance with intelcards in Jaunty? 50 FPS what used to be ~700 in intrepid
[15:23] <BUGabundo> askand: there's a bug on that
[15:23] <BUGabundo> most intel gpu users are suffering from it
[15:23] <askand> BUGabundo: I see, can you link me?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> nope
[15:25] <BUGabundo> I don't have it
[15:25] <BUGabundo> but do a search for it on LP, or wait for some intel user to come by
[15:26] <cwillu> bug #304871, bug #303011
[15:27] <BUGabundo> there you go
[15:28]  * BUGabundo you have got to love the Community 
[15:36]  * blizzle wonders if dtchen's around.
[15:36] <blizzle> !seen dtchen
[15:37] <blizzle> I tried the latest 2.6.29 kernel to see if the bug with 2.6.28.x kernels had been fixed. Kernel didn't boot, at all.
[15:43] <BUGabundo> blizzle: was it from the new upstream tree at the kernel team PPA?
[15:43] <BUGabundo> or real upstream kernel?
[15:44] <BUGabundo> 'cause we have a delta on udev
[15:44] <blizzle> BUGabundo, Yeah, upstream ppa.
[15:44] <BUGabundo> email the kernel team about it then
[15:45] <blizzle> No sense in that, nothing to say except it doesn't work.
[15:45] <BUGabundo> well its something
[15:45] <blizzle> And the issue I was attempting to resolve already has a bug report.
[15:45] <BUGabundo> it *should* work
[15:45] <BUGabundo> at least spill that on #ubuntu-kernel
[15:46] <blizzle> If they haven't addressed the issue that exists in 2.6.28.x then it obviously won't work.
[15:46] <blizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/314050
[15:48] <blizzle> BUGabundo, Ah, #ubuntu-kernel.. that I don't mind doing :)
[15:50] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:07] <BUGabundo> I keep forgetting
[16:07] <BUGabundo> where is the build queue?
[16:07] <BUGabundo> I wanna know when the new apport gets built
[16:07] <BUGabundo> found it
[16:07] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[16:10] <BUGabundo> bah
[16:10] <BUGabundo> it fails to build
[16:10] <BUGabundo> now to get martin
[16:14] <FFForever> how do i switch my default greeter (gdm) to kdm?, gdm keeps crashing =(
[16:15] <blizzle> Well, raising my issue in #ubuntu-kernel managed to elicit precisely zero response :/
[16:15] <blizzle> FFForever, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm ?
[16:16] <FFForever> blizzle, after i installed kubuntu-desktop i kinda killed gdm =\
[16:16] <FFForever> if i don't have automatic login it crashes....
[16:16] <blizzle> FFForever, You could also try sudo aptitude install slim
[16:16] <FFForever> slim?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> blizzle: they are just SLOWWWW
[16:17] <BUGabundo> and today's Feature Freeze
[16:18] <BUGabundo> so old on a bit
[16:18] <blizzle> FFForever, slm is an alternate login manager.
[16:18] <FFForever> ahhh
[16:18] <BUGabundo> FFForever: set it on /etc/X/default something
[16:18] <blizzle> BUGabundo, Sure, no worries. I feel better at least bringing the issue to their attention :)
[16:18] <BUGabundo> or run dpkg --reconfigure INSERTHERESEESSIONMANAGER
[16:19] <FFForever> hopefully kdm won't crash like gdm =P
[16:19] <FFForever> brb
[16:19] <FFForever> what happened 2 ctrl+alt+bkspace?
[16:19] <FFForever> it no longer restarts x =(
[16:19] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:20] <BUGabundo> FFForever: are you really trying to test a devel branch?
[16:20] <FFForever> BUGabundo, nah i did do upgrades last night though....
[16:20] <BUGabundo> or are you one of those that just wants to have the cutting edge driver/app ?
[16:20] <FFForever> cutting edge =D
[16:20] <BUGabundo> didn't you read the release notes??
[16:20] <FFForever> what release notes =)
[16:21] <BUGabundo> come on, who installs devels branchs/alphas and don't even read RN.... wtf
[16:21] <FFForever> me...?
[16:21] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[16:21] <FFForever> i am just one for cutting edge =)
[16:21] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[16:21] <BUGabundo> FFForever: forget it then
[16:21] <BUGabundo> not even jaunty has all the most recent apps of everything
[16:22] <FFForever> BUGabundo, but it has newer ones....
[16:22] <BUGabundo> now go read it, and come back when you know the anwser to your question
[16:23] <FFForever> u disabled it =(
[16:23] <FFForever> meanies =P
[16:23] <BUGabundo> and if that is not enough go read all the 100 emails on the devel/devel-discuss ML
[16:23] <BUGabundo> ME?? I did not!
[16:23] <BUGabundo> I have it on my laptop
[16:23] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:23] <FFForever> u == ubuntu dev team
[16:23] <UrbanFlash> anyone knows if digikam will be included in final kubuntu jaunty?
[16:23] <BUGabundo> ran dontzap -d
[16:23] <BUGabundo> UrbanFlash: no idea
[16:24] <FFForever> now brb
[16:24] <UrbanFlash> it seems to work once more...
[16:24] <tretle> anyone have any issues with the volume notification
[16:24] <tretle> ?
[16:24] <UrbanFlash> whereas kpackagekit does nothing worthwhile...
[16:27] <BUGabundo> tretle: like it not showing 90% of the time?
[16:27] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[16:28] <tretle> no
[16:28] <tretle> but the icons on it dont show
[16:28] <tretle> since the latest update, where it did something to the icons and now I just get a black box on the top right
[16:28] <tretle> all others work though
[16:29] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:29] <BUGabundo> slowerrrrrrrrr
[16:29] <BUGabundo> what *exactly* doesn't work?
[16:30]  * BUGabundo warns: I'm on PA 9.15 (and killed it) eheh
[16:36] <FFForever> wow kde4 has gotten better since the one that ships with 8.04
[16:40] <FFForever> how do i start launchy when i login (on kde)
[16:50] <FFForever> how do i start launchy when i login (on kde)?
[16:53] <fosco__> what is launchy?
[16:54] <nblracer> Hi
[16:54] <nblracer> i got some good news and aproblem
[16:54] <BUGabundo> fire away nblracer
[16:55] <nblracer> I have notices that intel drivers become much stable over the last week
[16:55] <nblracer> thanks for that
[16:56] <nblracer> but i just noticed that my camera wont mount any more
[16:57] <fosco__> are you using jaunty?
[16:57] <nblracer> when i plug it in i get to pop ups asking me what to do (normally i go with f-spot)
[16:57] <nblracer> yes
[16:57] <nblracer> but then i get Error initializing camera: -60: Could not lock the device
[16:58] <nblracer> so i dont know if one of the updates broke the code or i did something wrong; Hard to tell since i dont use my camera every day)
[16:58] <fosco__> mount it as an storage device
[16:58] <FFForever> any idea why my media keys do not work in kde but do in gnome?, none of them work (not even  mute =S)
[16:59] <nblracer> well it tries to auto mount, and it mounts my camera twice;
[17:00] <nblracer> and when i unplug the camera it removes the two icons from the desktop, but they stay in the "places"
[17:03] <nblracer> the logs look good
[17:04] <nblracer> [ 2264.114109] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2  kernel: [ 2264.368060] usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[17:07] <nblracer> should i file a bug? has any one else have the same problem?
[17:07] <BUGabundo> nblracer: sure... file it against the kernel
[17:08] <BUGabundo> $apport -fp linux
[17:08] <BUGabundo> should do it
[17:09] <benste> gdm stoped working for me since last jaunty updates - how can I enter my gnome again?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> benste: go to TTY, stop gdm (if running), and use startx
[17:09] <BUGabundo> then enable auto login until a fix is availble
[17:10] <benste> the problem is that I'm using vbox
[17:10] <BUGabundo> humm you are the second one mentioning that
[17:10] <benste> and I can't use tty1
[17:10] <BUGabundo> so it must be a new bug
[17:10] <benste> I started in recovery mode
[17:10] <benste> and restarted gdm
[17:10] <BUGabundo> that would work to
[17:10] <benste> but it failed again
[17:10] <BUGabundo> just su YOUR user
[17:10] <benste> I did it
[17:10] <BUGabundo> $su benste
[17:10] <BUGabundo> $startx
[17:10] <benste> my own user?
[17:11] <benste> I'll try that
[17:12] <BUGabundo> sure
[17:12] <BUGabundo> NEVER run as ROOT
[17:13] <benste> :-)
[17:13] <benste> I thought gdm should be started by root
[17:13] <BUGabundo> nope
[17:13] <benste> anyway I tried your suggestion and ended up now with:
[17:13] <BUGabundo> ok, it does...
[17:13] <BUGabundo> but not startx
[17:13] <benste> internal error hal ...
[17:13] <benste> but now I've got gnome
[17:14] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:14] <benste> but I can't use my mouse or keyboard in it now
[17:14] <BUGabundo> file a bug... and wait for seb128 to have a free time to fix it
[17:14] <benste> and I just wanted to start the normal procedure via gdm
[17:14] <benste> :-(
[17:14] <benste> ok I'll do so
[17:14] <BUGabundo> since you are the second, I bet more will follow quicly
[17:14] <benste> :-)
[17:14] <BUGabundo> benste: $apport -fp gdm
[17:15] <benste> where?
[17:15] <BUGabundo> cli
[17:15] <BUGabundo> and it will report on LP
[17:15] <BUGabundo> without you have to do anything else
[17:16] <benste> is a command line utilty?
[17:16] <benste> I said that I can't use the keyboard or mouse after startx in the VM
[17:17] <benste> so now I have to reboot and login as root again
[17:17] <benste> after that running your command from command line without an X session as su benste?
[17:17] <benste> Bugabundo?
[17:18] <BUGabundo> you need X
[17:18] <BUGabundo> it think
[17:18] <BUGabundo> not sure
[17:18] <benste> but I can't use it :-)
[17:18] <BUGabundo> I once reported it via TTY too
[17:18] <benste> :-)
[17:18] <benste> I'll try it
[17:18] <BUGabundo> but had a bunch of www cli browsers installeed
[17:18] <benste> mh
[17:18] <BUGabundo> at least you gonna need elynks or something
[17:23] <nblracer> BUGabundo: hmm got another problem apport not found
[17:24] <nblracer> it is installed but not found, do i have to give the direct path to the bin
[17:24] <benste> It's working for me :-)
[17:24] <benste> use apport-cte
[17:24] <benste> or equal
[17:25] <nblracer> bash: apport-cte: command not found
[17:25] <benste> try apport and TAB
[17:27] <nblracer> apport-cli     apport-unpack
[17:27] <BUGabundo> $sudo updatedb
[17:27] <BUGabundo> $mlocate apport
[17:27] <BUGabundo> or
[17:27] <BUGabundo> $whereis apport
[17:27] <BUGabundo> have to go
[17:27] <BUGabundo> exam
[17:27] <BUGabundo> bye
[17:28] <nblracer> Good Luck
[17:28] <BUGabundo> apport-cli is the same
[17:28] <BUGabundo> wasn't that what I said?
[17:28] <BUGabundo> typo
[17:28] <benste> yes
[17:28] <benste> :-)
[17:28] <benste> how can I exit vim?
[17:29] <pwnguin> hit :
[17:29] <pwnguin> then type q!
[17:30] <benste> so just hitting q
[17:30] <benste> - doesn't work
[17:30] <benste> ends up with recording
[17:33] <benste> ok, the bug should be opened now
[17:33] <benste> I'll post the ID asap
[17:33] <benste> 331674
[17:36] <charlie-tca> bug 331674
[17:40] <benste> thanks
[17:40] <benste> didn't know that bug 331674 add the ubottu
[17:41] <benste> bugabundo, seb123 is the username of Sebastian BAcher or?
[17:41] <benste> so he's already notified by the bug?
[17:42] <billybigrigger> which updates
[17:42] <billybigrigger> ?
[17:43] <billybigrigger> are you guys talking about this bug
[17:43] <billybigrigger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/331390
[17:43] <billybigrigger> is it the same thing? with gdmgreeter?
[17:43] <benste> mom I'll take a look
[17:44] <billybigrigger> ya it looks like a duplicate
[17:44] <benste> for me not
[17:44] <billybigrigger> installing today's updates should fix it
[17:44] <benste> :-)
[17:45] <benste> istalling today updates broke it !!
[17:45] <billybigrigger> oh haha
[17:45] <benste> and mine isn't X related
[17:45] <billybigrigger> well you can downgrade gtk
[17:45] <benste> it's just gdm related
[17:46] <benste> ok
[17:46] <benste> I'll try apt-get update again
[17:46] <billybigrigger> ibgtk2.0-0
[17:46] <billybigrigger> libgtk2.0-bin
[17:46] <billybigrigger> libgtk2.0-common
[17:46] <billybigrigger> libgail18
[17:46] <billybigrigger> gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[17:46] <benste> this should install updates from root or?
[17:46] <billybigrigger> if you downgrade those packages, that's what worked for me yesterday
[17:47] <billybigrigger> updates from root?
[17:47] <billybigrigger> are you root?
[17:47] <benste> I start as root
[17:47] <benste> because of using VM
[17:47] <benste> I can't switch to tty 1
[17:48] <benste> apt-get update --> updates the package list or all packeges?
[17:49] <maxb> the lists
[17:50] <benste> and what can I do to run the updates?
[17:50] <benste> maxb
[17:50] <benste> ?
[17:51] <Pici> benste: Are you running Jaunty?
[17:51] <benste> yes
[17:51] <benste> only for test
[17:51] <billybigrigger> benste, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:51] <benste> ah ok
[17:51] <benste> upgrade is the important thing :-)
[17:51] <billybigrigger> will update the list, and then install the available updates
[17:52] <benste> ok
[17:52] <benste> no new updates, it still doesn't work
[17:52] <billybigrigger> benste, adding --yes to it will automatically install it, with no input from you
[17:52] <billybigrigger> benste, well just sit and wait for a fix :P
[17:52] <billybigrigger> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade --yes
[17:53] <benste> billybigriger:
[17:53] <benste> the problem is that one thought that my bug is a duplicate of a bug which was fixes with today updates:-)
[17:54] <billybigrigger> but the update borked your computer?
[17:54] <billybigrigger> well it borked your jaunty install
[17:54] <benste> yes
[17:54] <billybigrigger> file a NEW bug today then
[17:54] <benste> which is in a VM
[17:54] <benste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/331674
[17:55] <billybigrigger> k well then downgrade your packages to the last working version
[17:55] <billybigrigger> thats what i had to do yesterday
[17:55] <benste> :-(
[17:56] <benste> I'll wait for an update
[17:56] <benste> and isntall XDm for test purposes
[17:56] <billybigrigger> look in /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:56] <billybigrigger> oh ok
[17:56] <benste> what should there be?
[17:56] <billybigrigger> then ls | grep gtk2.0
[17:57] <billybigrigger> actually ls | grep gtk2
[17:58] <benste> mom just restarting the guest system
[17:59] <benste> 2.15.4 and
[17:59] <benste> 2.15.0 installed
[17:59] <benste> (all packages have both version)
[17:59] <billybigrigger> libgtk2.0-0_2.15.3-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[17:59] <billybigrigger> libgtk2.0-0_2.15.4-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[17:59] <billybigrigger> libgtk2.0-0_2.15.4-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[17:59] <billybigrigger> thats what i have installed
[18:00] <benste> mom I'll upload a screenshot
[18:00] <billybigrigger> for me, i would want to revert back to libgtk2.0-0_2.15.3-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[18:00] <billybigrigger> k
[18:01] <benste> I' don't want to revert, I'll revert if the update makes me to do :-)
[18:01] <billybigrigger> k
[18:01] <billybigrigger> well just wait for a fix then
[18:01] <benste> I'll do
[18:02] <benste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/331674
[18:02] <benste> pic uploaded
[18:03] <benste> ok,
[18:03] <benste> I'll wait for a launchpad update
[18:03] <benste> I hope, you'll keep on searching :-)
[18:04] <benste> or seb will answer me
[18:54] <maxb> Is anyone else experiencing intolerably slow screen redrawing with today's updates on nvidia graphics hardware?
[19:03] <Ienorand> Hello, anyone on vmware and jaunty? gotten mouse scroll to work? Old fix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=508126 doesnae work.
[19:05] <miik> heeeeeeelp, when i press printscreen, it doesnt make screenshot
[19:07] <bruce89> miik: Applications>Accessories>Take Screenshot
[19:12] <miik> yes
[19:12] <miik> but i need take with button
[19:12] <miik> printscreen
[19:12] <miik> cuz i play game
[19:14] <UnixDawg_> miik life hurts doesn't it
[19:15] <UnixDawg_> you on kde or gnome
[19:15] <UnixDawg_> works fine on kde
[19:24] <KDesk> hi
[19:25] <KDesk> I would like to use ext4 in intrepid, can I use the jaunty kernel?
[19:28] <bruce89> no
[19:30] <miik> gnome
[19:32] <billybigrigger> anyone here using hp's mini desktop theme on a desktop???
[19:45] <billybigrigger> hah, sweet, just got an email from isp saying they're bumping up they're network, my net package got bumped from 10Mbps to 15Mbps, no extra charge w00t :P
[19:46] <billybigrigger> they're doing upgrades this month, so i should see it within a month, almost makes it feel worth while forkin out all this cash to them
[19:47] <guijemont> billybigrigger: do you know that in most of Paris you can get symmetric 100 Mb/s for 30€/month?
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[19:48] <billybigrigger> europe is crazy for net connections, im getting the shaft here in canada haha
[19:48] <guijemont> depends where in europe
[19:49] <guijemont> im french living in spain
[19:49] <guijemont> and for that i miss france
[19:49] <guijemont> same when i was living in uk
[19:49] <guijemont> anyway, gotta go
[19:51] <billybigrigger> lazer
[20:17] <CampGareth> wow.... busy
[20:17] <CampGareth> and why my backup nick is in use i dont know
[20:17] <CampGareth> popey, this is max from dclug
[20:22] <CampGareth> busy but oddly silent.....
[20:25] <duncan__> [Can't log in at all] anyone else getting "The greeter application appears to be crashing. Attempting to use a different one." ?
[20:26] <CampGareth> no
[20:27] <duncan__> CampGareth, does it mean anything to you?
[20:27] <CampGareth> no....
[20:27] <dnyaga> Hi All! I recently upgraded my Intrepid laptop to the Jaunty alpha (couldn't wait to try ext4). I run on a three partition setup (/home, / and another partition). These were previously ext3, and I promptly converted them to ext4 (tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/sda? followed by a fsck). I also gave the same treatment to / (from a live cd, naturally) and altered /etc/fstab so that all the partitions are mounted ext4. In /etc/fstab, the mount opt
[20:27] <dnyaga>  the two non root partions are "defaults". I left the mount options for / at what they were in ext3 (distro default, relatime,errors=remount-ro). My confusion arises from this: partition management tools (like parted) list / as an ext3 partition and the other 2 [correctly] as ext4 partitions. From what I have read, invoking tune2fs with the options listed above ought to _irreversibly_ convert the ext3 partition to ext4. So why does it still appear to parte
[20:27] <dnyaga>  an ext3 partition? Does it have anything to do with the mount options? (For the record: "sudo mount" confirms that the partition has been mounted with the ext4 driver) While still on mount options, what are the defaults on ext4? What are the "best performance" options? What are the "keep your data real safe" mount options? I have Googled a bit - unsuccessfully. Thanks.
[20:27] <duncan__> CampGareth, I can update using a different display, but there's no updates just now.
[20:28] <CampGareth> duncan__, i came here for help myself, i am comparatively an idiot on your particular problem
[20:28] <duncan__> CampGareth, good luck to us both then. What's your problem today?
[20:28] <CampGareth> onboard network chip doesn't work under 9.04
[20:29] <CampGareth> simply put
[20:29] <IntuitiveNipple> duncan__: Check bug #331416 and bug #331324 in case they are relevant
[20:29] <duncan__> CampGareth, that's a rather serious problem. Got another way to get it online?
[20:29] <duncan__> IntuitiveNipple, thanks
[20:30] <CampGareth> well only a USB wifi dongle that i have yet to try
[20:30] <IntuitiveNipple> CampGareth: Have you posted a bug report with the details?
[20:30] <CampGareth> not yet, i am in no great hurry to fix it
[20:30] <carl0s-> Can anybody tell me why the ath5k module doesn't autoload? I have ath_pci blacklisted because it doesn't work with this hardware. If I do modprobe ath5k it all works nicely
[20:30] <duncan__> IntuitiveNipple, what's the delay time between 'fix released' and seeing it on a local mirror? I'm in Denmark.
[20:31] <IntuitiveNipple> duncan__: I don't know specifically... check the archives for version 2.15.4-0ubuntu3
[20:35] <IntuitiveNipple> duncan__: It's in the main archive: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0/?C=M;O=D
[20:35] <duncan__> IntuitiveNipple, according to those bugs it's fixed, but when I run 'apt-get update' I'm not offered any updates.
[20:37] <duncan__> IntuitiveNipple, Jaunty is on this same machine. Is there a file I can grab to compare to those bugs? My issue is bug #331292 - they don't look like duplicates to me...
[20:37] <duncan__> (away 5 minutes)
[20:39] <IntuitiveNipple> duncan__:  maybe just have to be patient for a few hours. This might give you some information: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[20:39] <CampGareth> well i'm wiping and going back to 8.10 methinks
[20:39] <CampGareth> easier...
[20:49] <duncan__> IntuitiveNipple, thanks. It occurs to me that the message I'm getting suggests that it will try a different display manager, isn't xdm installed by default already? If so why isn't that getting a try?
[20:50] <duncan__> CampGareth, you haven't really tried, so reinstalling 8.10 seems like a pain. Updating might be all that's needed, or kicking the required driver module to start...
[20:53] <duncan__> IntuitiveNipple, do I need to say any magic incantation to mount Jaunty (ext4) from Intrepid? I think I'll switch to a mirror which is 6 hours behind instead of one week!
[20:56] <IntuitiveNipple> duncan__: re: ext4 - not sure, since I skipped Intrepid (it used ext4dev I believe) but wasn't supported by grub for /boot (and maybe root?)
[20:57] <duncan__> IntuitiveNipple, "The volume uses the ext4 file system which is not supported by your system."
[20:57] <duncan__> IntuitiveNipple, so that answers that question.
[20:59] <duncan__> odd, as e2fsprogs claims to support ext4 as installed in intrepid.
[21:14] <scizzo-> latest kernel upgrade broke my jaunty install...however the old kernel is ok.....grub only gives error when trying to read the new kernel
[21:15] <BUGabundo> nice
[21:15] <scizzo-> yeah was quite suprised actually
[21:16] <scizzo-> I know its not much help but something about: it not being able to read a executable
[21:16] <scizzo-> need to try and boot it again and write it down I guess
[21:18] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, that's been reported recently scizzo... I was just looking at it
[21:19] <scizzo-> IntuitiveNipple: ooo....cool...got a bug number that I can check?
[21:19] <IntuitiveNipple> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/331558
[21:19] <scizzo-> IntuitiveNipple: thank you
[21:19] <scizzo-> aaa
[21:19] <scizzo-> I was half right
[21:19] <IntuitiveNipple> I saw it on the LKML; a post about it from timg, and it sounded interesting since I run a lot of ext4
[21:20] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:20] <BUGabundo> so the fail is just for ext4?
[21:20] <scizzo-> hmmm
[21:20] <scizzo-> this is quite strange....
[21:20] <BUGabundo> cause I have both -7 and -8 and they boot fine
[21:20] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.28-8-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 18 04:22:10 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:21] <scizzo-> so when a kernel package is upgraded or so....or even grub would this mean that I have to run a new grub-install?
[21:21] <IntuitiveNipple> The circumstances *may* be related to an ext3 > ext4 in-place conversion
[21:21] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: kernel updates update grub to
[21:21] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I've not see any issue - yet - but I created all ext4's from fresh
[21:22] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: hmmm well ummmm....sorry for my confusion...but I managed to boot the ext4 disks yesterday on a 2.6.28-7 or what the number was and today after the -8 then it wont
[21:25] <Turl1> hi
[21:25] <Turl1> does this apply for Ubuntu too? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/NotifyOSD#Network%20Manager
[21:26] <Turl1> I can't stand networkmanager popping up a window on half of my screen when I connect to a network, disconnect, etc
[21:26] <Turl1> it should use the new notification system (which it a little buggy by itself, but that's a different topic)
[21:27] <IntuitiveNipple> scizzo-: Did you upgrade existing ext3 to ext4, or create them fresh?
[21:27] <BUGabundo> Turl1: yes it does
[21:27] <scizzo-> IntuitiveNipple: upgrade
[21:27] <BUGabundo> the wikis are all mirrors
[21:28] <scizzo-> IntuitiveNipple: using the live cd
[21:28] <IntuitiveNipple> It does look like ext3's that have been upgraded are the ones suffering
[21:29] <scizzo-> IntuitiveNipple: yeah.....however I do wonder if the grub-install will make the change to work again
[21:29] <scizzo-> IntuitiveNipple: this is what I find interesting
[21:29] <Turl1> BUGabundo: thanks
[21:30] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: if that's the bug, it can be easilly fixed
[21:30] <BUGabundo> must be a typo
[21:31] <scizzo-> ok...gonna try and reboot to see if that fixed the problem
[21:37] <scizzo-> so....that broke the machine
[21:37] <scizzo-> grub now gives error 24 instead... :(
[21:37] <scizzo-> can't boot it in anyway at all
[21:38] <Turl1> scizzo-: can't you use a live cd and recover grub/install grub2?
[21:38] <scizzo-> Turl1: already a step ahead of you my friend
[21:39] <Turl1> so then, you're having problems with ext4, am I right?
[21:39] <scizzo-> Turl1: its probably that yes
[21:39] <Turl1> is it a 'converted' partition?
[21:39] <scizzo-> yes
[21:40] <Turl1> did you fully convert it? or just ran the command to make all new files ext4?
[21:40] <scizzo-> Turl1: well it booted with ext4 before
[21:40] <scizzo-> Turl1: afaik
[21:41] <scizzo-> I ran: tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index <device>
[21:41] <scizzo-> then: fsck -pf <device>
[21:41] <scizzo-> changed the flag in fstab
[21:41] <scizzo-> and rebooted
[21:41] <scizzo-> then it booted everything
[21:41] <scizzo-> _however_ I noticed now that grub is trying to run stage1.5 when it should run stage2
[21:42] <Turl1> scizzo-: try adding rootfs=ext4 to your boot command in grub, if you can get to that step
[21:44] <scizzo-> Turl1: thats the problem...grub only gives me the error and crashes
[21:44] <scizzo-> Turl1: I will try though
[21:45] <Turl1> scizzo-: you can also try this, create a new partition from the cd, and install grub to that from the CD too
[21:45] <Turl1> and copy your menu to that
[21:46] <scizzo-> Turl1: I am first going to try and run a new grub_install on the disk and see if that helps
[21:46] <scizzo-> brb
[21:56] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: there?
[21:56] <Silverwing> Hi all,after a system update, my system is extremely slow..
[21:56] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: here
[21:56] <BUGabundo> wifi went down a while a ago
[21:56] <BUGabundo> Silverwing: Intel card?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> GPU I mean
[21:57] <Silverwing> BUGabundo: yep, P4 with HT
[21:57] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: could you check what you have in /boot/grub/device.map?
[21:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Silverwing: There was a discussion in #ubuntu-kernel a short while ago where it appears the wrong CPU idle governor was incorrectly throttling the system
[21:58] <Silverwing> So.. I should simply wait for an update?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> Silverwing: no no ... if the graphic card is Intel
[21:58] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: humm
[21:58] <BUGabundo> yeah it could happen
[21:58] <Silverwing> BUGabundo: I'm sorry, I have a nVidia card
[21:59] <BUGabundo> they are trying to remove a few script
[21:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Silverwing: try this: echo performance | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[21:59] <BUGabundo> let me find the conf file to see it
[21:59] <BUGabundo> yea IntuitiveNipple that's it
[21:59] <BUGabundo> ondemand
[21:59] <BUGabundo> no no set ondemand
[21:59] <Silverwing> ok, I did the echo performance | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[22:00] <BUGabundo> not performance
[22:00] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: 'ondemand' appeared to be the cause
[22:00] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:00] <BUGabundo> my system is fine....
[22:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Silverwing: Any improvement?
[22:00] <Silverwing> I got hyper treating by the way, It's recognized as 2 cpu's..
[22:00] <BUGabundo> laptops will go bad with performance
[22:00] <Silverwing> Wow yea, instantly
[22:00] <Silverwing> thanks a lot guys
[22:00] <BUGabundo> can someone make a wiki or bug with that, and set the /topic?
[22:01] <IntuitiveNipple> There is a bug report
[22:01] <BUGabundo> link please
[22:01] <scizzo-> "This error is returned if GRUB is told to execute the boot sequence without having a kernel to start." <--- thats the error for 24
[22:02] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: no idea... I just know the original reporter was asked to open a bug report
[22:02] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:12] <blizzle> BUGabundo, Might surprise you that I've still had zero response to my issue in #ubuntu-kernel :/ There's slow, and then there's SLOW.
[22:12] <BUGabundo> eeheehehehhehhehehe
[22:15] <scizzo-> right so why is grub being annoying
[22:15] <IntuitiveNipple> blizzle: #ubuntu-kernel isn't a support channel as such, and kernel devs aren't looking at it constantly
[22:17] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:17] <BUGabundo> that's it....
[22:17] <BUGabundo> you are better at pinging some one who can handle your prob
[22:32] <scizzo-> well I can't seem to fix the grub broken stuff
[22:32] <scizzo-> I am out of ideas
[22:43] <kuaera> Anyone else having any problems starting the KDE desktop in Jaunty? I'm trying to diagnose a problem and need assistance.
[22:49] <virtuelv> What do you people actually think about the new notifications?
[22:50] <virtuelv> sudo apt-get update
[22:50] <BUGabundo> hummm
[22:50] <BUGabundo> 50/50
[22:50] <BUGabundo> I guess
[22:50] <virtuelv> err, wrong window for an update
[22:50] <BUGabundo> i«ll give it a bit more time
[22:50] <charlie-tca> I would prefer a lot fewer
[22:51] <BUGabundo> since Matt doesn't want them clicklable
[22:51] <virtuelv> right now all the notifications are light text on black background
[22:51] <virtuelv> bug?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> I have to disagree
[22:51] <BUGabundo> I like to click on them
[22:51] <virtuelv> I would also have to disagree
[22:51] <BUGabundo> plus it will take most if not mote, of the remaning time to patch ALL apps to use it
[22:52] <BUGabundo> pidgin devs already said they won't do it
[22:52] <virtuelv> the w3c widgets spec (and Opera's implementation) has a notion of acknowledging and triggering a callback onclick
[22:52] <charlie-tca> pidgin is on its way out, though, isn't it?
[22:52] <virtuelv> if they are left unclickable, I'm not sure application vendors can use this
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Seems like a lot of users came to Linux for the choices, which are going away...
[22:54] <virtuelv> is there a reference to discussion about clickability?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> no discussion
[22:57] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:57] <BUGabundo> Mark said it would be like that
[22:57] <BUGabundo> and he is the boss after all
[22:59]  * charlie-tca thinks that is the way to get what you want
[22:59] <scizzo-> interesting
[23:00] <scizzo-> I can't find the device of / in grub either when mounting it with live cd and chroot to it
[23:00] <virtuelv> that conflicts with a (now removed) api from HTML5, and with the W3C Widget specs
[23:00] <virtuelv> and with how Growl works, IIRC
[23:01] <virtuelv> which means that cross-platform vendors like Opera, Mozilla, Google (Chrome) can't use it
[23:09] <ronny> anyone knows what to do when evolution breaks?
[23:09] <ronny> the tracker thats in background manged to f reeze it somehow, but now after i killed tracker it seems like evolution instantly takes full cpu on startup
[23:10] <ronny> ok, seems completely related to tracker
[23:10] <ronny> sad
[23:11] <billybigrigger_\> anyone here play true combat elite?
[23:11] <les> Just upgraded and have a bunch of weird dns issues. My network seems to work from the cli (ping, lynx, etc work) but apt-get doesn't. (I fixed apt-get by putting the ip of us.archive.ubuntu.com into my hosts file).  Firefox though doesn't work at all and can't lookup any domain names. Any ideas?
[23:11] <IntuitiveNipple> ronny: sounds familiar... I had an issue with trackerd on Hardy consuming 100% CPU indexing Evolution IMAP folders for 30+ minutes. I think I posted a fix for it, too
[23:11] <ronny> hmk
[23:11] <BUGabundo> les: IPv6
[23:11] <ronny> im entirely unhappy with evolution
[23:11] <BUGabundo> or SIS card (that sucks)
[23:12] <ronny> anyone knows reasonable alternatives?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> been there this week, trying to help a friend isntall ubuntu
[23:12] <BUGabundo> ronny: yah: mutt (for cli) or Kmail
[23:12] <ronny> BUGabundo: kmail failed me
[23:12] <BUGabundo> and don't tell me its kde... 'cause its great
[23:12] <les> BUGabundo: so disabling ipv6 should help you think?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> what happened?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> and when?
[23:12] <ronny> BUGabundo: i deleted a mail in my imap, and it moved it to a local mailbox
[23:12] <BUGabundo> good luck trying to get IPv6 off.. its in the kernel now
[23:13] <BUGabundo> ronny: humm?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> regultar imap or gmail imap?
[23:13] <IntuitiveNipple> ronny: It's to do with a SetOption bug which means the IntegrityCheck is never flagged as complete
[23:13] <ronny> BUGabundo: and there didnt seem to be any intuitive way to use stuff like hiding imap delete marked messages or imap expurge
[23:14] <Ienorand> anyone here using vmware player?
[23:14] <virtuelv> les: the question is what you use evolution for? Just mail?
[23:14] <ronny> BUGabundo: regular imap
[23:14] <ronny> BUGabundo: i dont use gmail for oblivious reasons
[23:14] <virtuelv> s/les/ronny/
[23:15] <ronny> virtuelv: mail + tasks/calendar, but those suck, too
[23:15] <les> virtuelv: that was ronny not me
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ronny: I'm curious: what oblivious?
[23:15] <ronny> BUGabundo: i consider google pretty much unthrustable
[23:15] <les> BUGabundo: yep you're right. when i disable ipv6 in firefox it magically works. of course empathy and everything else is still broken. that's annoying. :)
[23:16] <virtuelv> ronny: on the task front, I can't suggest much
[23:17] <virtuelv> on the mail front, I eat dogfood (work for Opera), so I use Opera Mail/M2
[23:17] <BUGabundo> les:  one or two bugs on LP on that
[23:17] <BUGabundo> with workarounds
[23:17] <virtuelv> but I know a bunch of people who are happy with Thunderbird
[23:17] <BUGabundo> please check there
[23:17] <ronny> i dont like oopera
[23:17] <ronny> virtuelv: i used thunderbird before, and im not happy
[23:18] <virtuelv> ronny: you could always go hardcore, and use mutt
[23:19] <BUGabundo> mutt is GREAT
[23:19] <ronny> hmm, maybe its time to do that
[23:19] <BUGabundo> love it
[23:19] <BUGabundo> use it a lot
[23:19]  * charlie-tca likes claws-mail
[23:19] <ronny> can mutt do filtering
[23:19] <ronny> charlie-tca: that failed me in very anoying ways
[23:20] <BUGabundo> ronny: any email client that hasn't FAILED you?
[23:20]  * BUGabundo think this is a user prob, not app
[23:21]  * charlie-tca nods
[23:21] <ronny> BUGabundo: ms outlock 97
[23:21]  * bruce89 got an 'A' from Evolution
[23:21] <ronny> BUGabundo: and yes, thats weird
[23:22] <BUGabundo> come on? MSFT ?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> it doesn't even do threads
[23:22] <BUGabundo> ok ok it has something called "conversations"
[23:22] <BUGabundo> but I have no idea what it thinks it does!
[23:22] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:22] <BUGabundo> prob groups by subject
[23:22] <ronny> BUGabundo: back then i had no need for anything advanced
[23:22] <BUGabundo> and not headers
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ahh
[23:23] <BUGabundo> great
[23:23] <ronny> back then i was clueless
[23:23] <BUGabundo> let me know when you get 400 new emails in one hour
[23:23] <BUGabundo> from 8 diff accounts
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I have 85k unread emails
[23:23]  * charlie-tca too
[23:23] <ronny> sounds like my current imap account
[23:23] <bruce89> spam?
[23:23] <ronny> mailing lists
[23:24] <ronny> spam is autp-filtered
[23:24] <charlie-tca> somewhere between 500-1500 minimum emails every day
[23:24] <bruce89> fair enough, that's a few lists
[23:24] <ronny> gets into a folder that prunes anything older than 30 days
[23:24] <charlie-tca> and, at times 100-200 an hour coming in
[23:25] <charlie-tca> OTOH, I'm also in 15 channels right now
[23:26] <ronny> hmm, im happy i got down back to 24 channels
[23:26]  * bruce89 wonders where my bloody log out menu is
[23:26] <ronny> 50-70 chans is kinda too much to sanely keep track off
[23:27] <bruce89> 1's enough for me
[23:27] <BUGabundo> I beat you by the hand
[23:27] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:27] <BUGabundo> 4 channels right now, usualy 8-10
[23:27] <BUGabundo> but im on 3 µblogging networks and have 5 bots,plus gwibber
[23:27] <charlie-tca> hard to keep up at times
[23:28] <BUGabundo> I can't DO ANYTHING with it ON
[23:28] <BUGabundo> its a time succker
[23:28] <charlie-tca> I could see that
[23:28] <dtchen> now imagine people querying/e-mailing/tweeting/denting you problems with audio
[23:28] <dtchen> now imagine that process happening for six years
[23:28] <dtchen> now multiply that by one million
[23:28]  * charlie-tca glad NOT to have dtchen's stuff
[23:29] <dtchen> welcome to my world
[23:29] <IntuitiveNipple> now imagine treating on-line activities like real-life!
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I do that
[23:29] <BUGabundo> and on top, looking for job, univ exams, looking for a date, prepare FOSS class for FREE, and have to handle my dad
[23:30]  * bruce89 suddenly feels like a lazy bastard
[23:30] <charlie-tca> and then people wonder why you don't always answer...
[23:31] <BUGabundo> heheheh
[23:31] <IntuitiveNipple> I think the phrase 'focus' and 'quality time' might be appropriate :)
[23:31] <BUGabundo> you don't even get to know the question
[23:31] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:31] <BUGabundo> indeed IntuitiveNipple
[23:31] <BUGabundo> I just kill pidgin when I need to focus
[23:31] <BUGabundo> but gwibber alone or main email inbox steal my focus too
[23:32] <dtchen> it helps that i only look at ubuntu stuff during my non-work hours
[23:32] <IntuitiveNipple> I learned years ago to only use one avenue at a time - I try very hard not to multi-task conversations with people.
[23:33] <dtchen> yeah, that's one of the first things i learned to do in junior high
[23:33] <dtchen> even my normal workflow means that irc & e-mail prevent me from coding
[23:33] <BUGabundo> prevents me to have dinner on time
[23:34] <dtchen> so, back to code :)
[23:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah... I only log-in to IRC if I'm actually available. I don't leave it 'in the background'
[23:35] <BUGabundo> its impossible
[23:35] <BUGabundo> all those pings
[23:35] <BUGabundo> plus if I have it there I feel the need to KNOW what's going on
[23:36] <BUGabundo> having the fear of lossing anythin interessing
[23:36] <IntuitiveNipple> there are many better things to be doing though... online chat systems have a way of sucking you in... it's quite refreshing to walk away from them for several months.
[23:38] <BUGabundo> oh and I didn't mention my 200+ feeds on greader
[23:38] <BUGabundo> luckly I have meta-labels to help me cope with it
[23:38] <bruce89> perhaps human cloning could help
[23:38] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:39] <BUGabundo> I think about that every month
[23:39] <BUGabundo> I think I need about 8
[23:39] <IntuitiveNipple> As a friend of mine was apt to say, it's about time you got outside a bit more!
[23:39] <BUGabundo> just for _current_ stuff
[23:39] <BUGabundo> but then I'm pretty sure a few more would come in need
[23:39] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I go outside a lot
[23:39] <BUGabundo> I don't even have net at home
[23:40] <BUGabundo> so yeah......... I'm not 24h online
[23:40] <BUGabundo> not even mobile net, or in the phone
[23:40] <IntuitiveNipple> It's a relatively common English phrase, meaning "leave what you're doing it's not that important"
[23:42] <bruce89> more usually expressed as "You've got to get out more"
[23:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah... a change is as good as a rest.
[23:44] <IntuitiveNipple> That's why I pop in IRC to see if any interesting bugs are lurking - breaks my tunnel-vision in programming and other stuff
[23:50] <BUGabundo> http://www.funtasticus.com/20090219/t-shirts-can-tell-you-important-stuff/ have some fun everyone
[23:53] <BUGabundo> time to hit the sack! see you guys (and galls if any around) tomorrow.
[23:57] <MamboKurt> hi there
[23:58] <MamboKurt> is it normal with compositing off, that when i'm adjusting volume or brightness via keyboard notify-osd is just showing a black box with no content?
[23:59] <scizzo-> MamboKurt: I believe its a known problem with most of the notification stuff
[23:59] <scizzo-> MamboKurt: not only the brightness