[00:39] I can't get my hardware to boot in 2.6.28.x.. It's this bug (Compaq Deskpro): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/314050 .. anyone know if it's being addressed.. it's confirmed but unassigned according to the bug report :/ [00:39] Ubuntu bug 314050 in linux "Jaunty doesn't boot on my DELL Latitude C810 with current kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:41] blizzle: can you reproduce with a vanilla kernel? which arch are you using? [00:42] dtchen, I'm running on 2.6.27.11 currently. Any of the 2.6.28.x are broken for me. [00:43] blizzle: (vanilla kernel builds are at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ; choose the appropriate $arch. i recommend you try 2.6.29-rc5.) [00:44] blizzle: by testing the vanilla kernel(s), we get a better idea of what needs fixing/porting [00:44] dtchen, Okeydoke, I shall give that a spin. I tried the patched kernel linked on that bug report, and whilst I could boot up, everything else was broken. for me. [00:44] blizzle: ok. i'll be around for about an hour longer if you need something [01:20] is there a jaunty repo for kde 4.2? [01:35] FFForever: Yes. The main archives. [01:36] kde-dev or just kde? [01:36] You'll need to clarify the difference. [01:36] It's the 4.2 release. === dmb_ is now known as dmb [02:40] * bluesmoke loves the new volume notification === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [03:02] hello! [03:02] i have a question.... :) [03:02] I am getting a weird sound everytime i hit the end of a list...for example scrolling down...and when it hits the end it makes a weird noise fomr the internal speaker [03:11] sound?? [03:11] ups wrong channel :) [03:13] me? [03:14] linkinx64: no, me I though this was #turbogears, u will imagine how weird will that question go in a webdev environment :) [03:15] lol === Skiessi is now known as Guest424255 [03:57] i forgot of to use commands in directories [03:57] how* [03:57] ls? [03:57] dir [03:57] cd [03:57] like cd 'uname -r' [03:57] cd uname -r? [03:57] why cd [03:57] ? [03:58] its just an example, for instance the /lib/modules/'uname -r'/ thing [03:58] modules for the kernel are in there but typing it out is a mess [03:58] lol [03:59] i get directory not found bla bla [03:59] i know there is a way to do it but google searching really doesn't work for strings formatted like that [04:01] any ideas? [04:01] akio: $(uname -r) [04:01] or `uname -r`, but that's deprecated [04:01] and it's not nestable [04:01] nestable? [04:01] i guess i need the manual for bash [04:02] never wanted to read that one [04:02] but this program "screen" is badass [04:02] echo $(uname $(echo -r)) [04:03] that's an example of what can't be done right? [04:04] it can be done with $(), just not with `` [04:04] thanks, it works like a charm [04:04] since the open and close marks (`) and (`) are the same [04:04] interesting [04:05] so i could have done it with (') (') [04:05] hmm wrong keys i see now.... [04:05] ` is not ' [04:05] i knew that! [04:06] damn i feel sheepish [04:06] heh, apparently `` can be nested, but it's not pretty [04:06] well I learned something new anyway [04:07] I was using the wrong characters to be honest... [04:10] lets say I was using finch in a screen session over ssh, do i have a chance of being notified if someone says my name? [04:11] ssh it's awesome [04:11] i have a crappy wireless connection that causes resets like I have never seen, screen and ssh save the day [04:17] * crdlb can't think of a way [04:18] pidgin ought to have some sort of proxy system where you can use the actually client running on the server and just hook into it with the pidgin gui client [04:21] i think that would scare people away like the xmms2 implementation [04:21] I'm not saying it should be the default, but it would be nice for your situation [04:22] right, but just for notifications? [04:22] so that you can use a gui all the time [04:22] im sure there is a terminal bell or something, and then my connecting gnome-terminal will make waves or flash or something [04:23] oh, you mean when it's open :) [04:23] right [04:23] or not [04:23] i guess your right [04:26] I really can't wait for stable and fast KMS [04:26] I will piss myself when that works [04:28] I have an MSI Wind U100 that I'm working off of and the terminal has become my best friend as it's the most efficient use of my 1024x600 screen [04:28] gnome just looks fat and retarded with this little real estate [04:31] test [04:32] I wonder how to hide the user list [04:50] With today's updates [at some point], one can no longer log into a KDE session from KDM. It hangs after the "internet" icon. Is this worth reporting? [04:53] openarena no longer loads after last night's and today's updates [04:54] "fails to load OpenGL subsystem" [05:22] hello i need to know if i'm the only one that lost gdm after an update today.. [05:22] gdm's working fine here [05:22] well didn't really lose it but after some ubuntu-desktop update, the greeter broke [05:23] so i tried to reinstall gdm [05:23] oh. ok dunno there. i'm using kde (but gdm too) [05:23] didn't help [05:24] well for now i'm in mint on the other partiton chrooting into jaunty for now [05:25] wonder if there's a way to generate an error report of it [05:35] i figure "well, if it broke? then i'll wait for an update to fix it" [06:13] Maybe one of you guys would know. I'd like to make media pc for basically mame dvds and mp3 /jukebox functionality. I don't really need the pvr function as I already have one. I'd like to go with linux rather than windows. Doesn anyone knof of a distro solution? [06:21] histo: neuros? [06:22] histo: their OSD kinda sounds like what you want, and they're OSS friendly [06:23] nah I want ot build it [06:27] when i did something like that we used mythbuntu [06:27] problem is, unless your TV is HD [06:27] gnome and friends are unreadable [06:29] howdy all [06:29] anyone alive in here? [06:30] Current VLC will open any video file in a seperate xvideo output window, it is not possible to enable embedded interface playback. can anyone proof this? [06:30] anyone aware of a small but good cpu stress test app? [06:30] i just OC'd my 2.6ghz 5000+ to 3.0ghz....temps are pretty cool for idle so i wanna stress it [06:30] cpuburn? [06:31] DanaG, cool, never heard of it [06:31] will check it out [06:31] !info cpuburn [06:31] cpuburn (source: cpuburn): a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4-37 (jaunty), package size 14 kB, installed size 112 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 hurd-i386 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64) [06:31] can anyone check VLC fpr embedded interface video output, please? [06:32] i wanted to mention that an update today broke my greeter [06:32] cant seem to get past it [06:32] DanaG, those are for old x86 cpus [06:34] is there a way i can generate an error report via chroot? [06:34] please anyone fireup VideoLANClient and tell me if the video playback happens in the VLC window or in an extra window, please, just a short test, yes or no? [06:35] Lounge: you could switch to a TTY and then startx from there. [06:36] DanaG: i've never really tried tty [06:36] atm im in mint on the other partition [06:36] DanaG, "stress" [06:36] got jaunty mounted and chrooting [06:36] DanaG, seems to be a decent stress tester [06:37] you are so helpful to m :( [06:37] * DanaG doesn't use VLC. [06:37] It fails miserably at subtitles. [06:37] How come i cant play flash videos? [06:37] i prefer audio ;) [06:38] well i play them but on youtube i just see a black box and music/voices... [06:38] hm let me check [06:40] DanaG: ctrl+alt+f1 is how i would switch tty? [06:40] yeah. [06:40] ok but should i boot up into recovery mode first? [06:40] FFForever: have got no fls file, downloadhelper does not work for me atm [06:41] greeter goes nuts after bootup [06:41] huh? [06:41] downloading and playing works... [06:41] just not playing them via youtube.com =( [06:42] anyone here familiar with overclocking? [06:42] yeah, it killed my last cpu =( [06:43] im running a stress test and cpu1 stays at %100 constant, cpu2 is anywhere from %97 - %100, should they both be maxed at 100 or did i go to far causing the 1 core to start failing? im only maybe 5 - 10 mins into the test [06:44] FFForever: i play them online then i click on my firerfox addon download helper and select the HQ version and a location to save at [06:44] just going off of ubuntu's system monitor though [06:44] however accurate that is [06:44] CosmiChaos, so its just me....? [06:44] FFForever: it wasnt working before because some auto-converting was triggered on [06:45] Core0 Temp: +22.0°C [06:45] Core0 Temp: +29.0°C [06:45] Core1 Temp: +25.0°C [06:45] Core1 Temp: +29.0°C [06:45] nice and cool though :P stock fan's too haha [06:45] =P [06:45] gl and hope u don't kill the cpu =P [06:45] FFForever: so my VLC plays that flash movie [06:46] hehe [06:46] CosmiChaos, =(, mv .mozilla .moz | firefox [06:46] works =( [06:46] hopefully sensors is close to temp reading [06:46] put just again in a seperate xvideo output window :( IM GETTING OUT OF MY THIS !"§$%&/()=? [06:47] FFForever: the correct filename for flash video would be *.flv [06:47] that runs in vlc [06:47] CosmiChaos, i know... i removed my firefox profile.... and it fixed youtube... =( [06:48] what do you mean by "it fixed youtobe" was it broken? [06:48] CosmiChaos, yeah i only got a black box.... [06:48] with sound... [06:48] ah for the flash plugin [06:49] " well i play them but on youtube i just see a black box and music/voices.." [06:49] =\ [06:50] anyone know when we will get wine 1.1.15 [06:50] CosmiChaos: fyi flash 90.154.0 or something and above can play .mp4/.f4v [06:50] oh right sometimes i have that problem to, i guess reinstalling flash-nonfree should do it [06:50] CosmiChaos: or h264/HE-AACv2 in a .flv container but I don't think flv does variable framerate [06:50] FFForever: i got it, but intrepid installed [06:51] hmmm ill check updates i am still on 1.1.14 =\ [06:52] anyone know how i can watch on demand netflix movies in ubuntu? [06:52] i use virtualbox for intrepid either, no prblems till now [06:52] i don't like waiting 30mins for a laggy video =( [06:55] hell yeah, when i click Shutdown>Restart from then it takes about 45 secs to bring me back to Compiz O.O [06:56] billybigrigger: check out this: [06:56] !g lm_sensors [06:56] Sorry, I don't know anything about g lm_sensors [06:56] er [06:56] !info lm_sensors [06:56] Package lm_sensors does not exist in jaunty [06:56] yes it does [06:56] !info lm-sensors [06:56] lm-sensors (source: lm-sensors-3): utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. In component main, is extra. Version 1:3.0.2-2ubuntu3 (jaunty), package size 122 kB, installed size 564 kB [06:57] _ -> - [06:57] yeah its a good tool, hopefully it displays its info correctly [06:57] Core0 Temp: +13.0°C [06:57] Core0 Temp: +18.0°C [06:57] Core1 Temp: +17.0°C [06:57] Core1 Temp: +20.0°C [06:57] nitpicker :D [06:58] was reading 22-29 C on that stress test [06:58] 29C is pretty good [06:58] on stock cooling? [06:58] :) [06:58] that sounds like the on die sensor which can be off as much as 5C though [06:58] got 3.0ghz out of my amd x2 5000 [06:58] only have to worry about 50C+ [06:58] lm-sensors also has a fan-speed app now. [06:58] hmmmm dont know how accurate they are, i recommend you to stress, than reset, enter bios, check temp add 1 ° [06:58] but 40C+ might make your room hotter [06:59] DanaG, ya it only picks up cpu fan though [06:59] CosmiChaos: the CPU has an on-die temp [06:59] and mine is a stock amd hsf [06:59] 3000rpm max [06:59] you did sensors-detect and all that? [06:59] CosmiChaos: pentium 3 and K7 onward all have it [06:59] DanaG, yup [06:59] detected all my stuff [06:59] well [06:59] not gfx card [06:59] but its onboard nvidia, i didnt expect it to [07:00] mjc: yes it has but some vedors read it different in different mathematical ways, its not a man under the cpu writing "now: 40°C, now 41 °C [07:00] actually intepretation of bios could be wrong [07:00] CosmiChaos: you are misunderstanding [07:00] CosmiChaos: the temperature reading for CPU comes from a register on the CPU [07:00] hm [07:00] for any sufficiently modern x86 [07:01] not a diode? [07:01] well yes there is a diode inside the CPU package [07:01] but I mean, that's how lm-sensors reads that [07:01] yes and that could be wrong [07:01] like any windows tool could be wrong [07:02] for sure [07:02] those aren't exact temps, but they're close enough to give you a fair reading [07:02] dude, no, 5C variance and the spec is the same for all AMD and intel cpus that support it [07:02] always assuming bios stores the value as it is for real [07:02] Linux is never wrong! [07:02] EVER [07:02] evar! [07:02] CosmiChaos: CPU temperature readings on modern machines do not use the bios [07:03] guess what when i overclock and stress, i always reset and check bios, not any sensor tools ;) its just for sure [07:03] I FIXED YOUR COMPUTER... FOREVER [07:03] I wonder what my poor thing is clocking in at... [07:03] any of you using kubuntu? [07:03] CosmiChaos, lm-sensors read my bios temps [07:03] "modern computers" you mean that new expensive one, that are a must have for vista but nut for linux? :D [07:03] M/B Temp: +39.0°C [07:04] CPU Temp: +22.0°C [07:04] CosmiChaos: pentium 3 and athlon [07:04] or newer [07:04] are the same readings my bios spits out [07:04] no need to reset and go back to bios [07:04] CosmiChaos: if you knew what that stuff was good for you would know it can't hold a candle for full utilization [07:04] billybigrigger: of yourse it does, but maybe your bios stores the value in a different way that it reads it, recalculate it and shows it to you [07:05] I measure mine on a scale of 0 - 2 [07:05] you have fahrenheit, celsius, what does your bios stores the value [07:05] i guess neither both of them [07:05] its just a value [07:05] off (cold) running (warm) blazing (a load of aroung 10) [07:05] bios knows whats the according temp, except you have a modern cpu :D [07:06] CosmiChaos: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature [07:06] CosmiChaos: that is from the processor's thermal zone support [07:06] acpi standardized even [07:06] good that i have a core 2 [07:06] ;) [07:06] if acpi reports it [07:07] but why sould i overclock a 2x266 for desktop usage and read temps at all O.o [07:07] my acpi/thermal_zone/ is empty [07:07] billybigrigger: you don't have thermal zone loaded as a module then most likely [07:08] mjc, and you'd be correct [07:08] overclocking by more than 10% and no extra cooling is for people that generally buy a new pc every two years or so ;) [07:08] billybigrigger: modprobe thermal [07:08] mine is from 2.66 @ 2,83 [07:08] oooooooh [07:08] fatal: module thermal not found haha [07:08] billybigrigger: did you build your own kernel? [07:08] nope [07:09] bah [07:09] what updates need a restart now [07:09] no such fil or directorsy [07:09] it should be in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/acpi [07:09] ok i tried switching to diferent ttys and still got a crashing gdm [07:09] toshiba_acpi.ko video.ko [07:09] thats all thats in there [07:10] cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature [07:10] cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature: No such file or directory [07:10] cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ modprobe thermal [07:10] FATAL: Module thermal not found. [07:10] hm. I'm on 2.6.27-12-generic and have a lot more than that [07:10] 2.6.28-8 here [07:11] cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:/proc/acpi/thermal_zone$ ls [07:11] cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:/proc/acpi/thermal_zone$ [07:11] O.o [07:11] CosmiChaos: uname -r ? [07:11] 2.6.28-8 here, here to [07:11] ah [07:11] ah sry for highlighting [07:11] whats everyone's fastest reboot time in 9.04? im amazed at shutdown/startup times in jaunty, just mind blasting! [07:11] :P [07:11] * billybigrigger fires up the stopwatch... [07:12] maybe they stopped offering it in 2.6.28ish [07:12] I'm using -rt at the moment [07:12] mjc: probably an -rt thing? [07:12] billybigrigger: reboot, from click on restart approximately 45-50secs 2.6.28-8 (profiled,preload) on ext4 [07:12] DanaG: nah, it's in intrepid [07:12] DanaG: as well [07:12] dpkg --listfiles linux-image-2.6.28-???-generic [07:12] or whatever ver. [07:13] er, generic -> rt [07:13] DanaG: linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic has it [07:13] in intrepid [07:13] i have generic [07:13] so it must no longer be in 2.6.28 [07:13] as compiled by ubuntu [07:13] * DanaG has a 35-second boot. [07:13] DanaG: Boot or reboot, Boot i get at 36 ;) [07:14] I don't check the difference. [07:14] most of my boot time is waiting on services [07:14] And that's time as shown by bootchart. [07:15] it took me additional 7 to shutdown, and 1-2 apg-bios, bios and then boots through in 27 secs [07:15] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart [07:16] DanaG: how o do tjhat? [07:16] hmm udevd takes a while for you [07:16] CosmiChaos: bootchart. [07:16] yes?! not chatting [07:17] CosmiChaos: apt-get install bootchart [07:17] :P [07:17] ARGH thats FOR note that it will have to slow down your actual boot time by maybe a second or less for instrumentation [07:17] ??? [07:18] man [07:18] :D [07:19] I wonder what I can do to speed up my boot. [07:19] tweak rc inits [07:19] DanaG: I'm actually looking into why udevd is so slow [07:19] I also have udev-extras installed just for the heck of it. [07:20] No manual entry for bootchart [07:20] ha so how to do it now please? [07:20] where is it saved? [07:21] /var/log/bootchart [07:21] look after you reboot/. [07:21] Oh yeah, I've removed uns and lms and lldpd (I don't even remember why I installed that one). [07:21] thanks i have a look now, brb [07:21] CosmiChaos: you can find out where things are by doing dpkg -L packagename also [07:22] i usaually watch installed files in synaptic [07:22] for future reference at least [07:22] instead of waiting on one of us [07:22] but the bootchart itself was not installed [07:22] DanaG: anyone else noting that jaunty gdm no longer starts after today's updates? I've tried repeatedly. Haven't dug into the logs, yet, but did not spot anything screaming in the X log. [07:22] since the disk in this machine is only 7MB/sec [07:22] NoelJB: do you get anything from startx ? [07:22] log-wise [07:23] hmm, so the slow udev is being worked on? [07:23] DanaG: it might not actually be that slow, I'll look into it further [07:23] mjc: I can't even get to a tty. It keeps insisting on trying to start X on tty7, stealing focus back there when I try to C-A-Fx. [07:24] NoelJB: ssh in [07:24] :P [07:24] mjc: only want I've gotten in so far is booting into the recovery console to see if there were updates. so for now I'm back to Intrepid boot. [07:24] was there any updates to gdm in the last couple hours? like maybe ~6hrs? [07:24] mjc: ah, you mean from another system. LOL [07:24] billybigrigger: I got about 112 today. [07:24] NoelJB: yes or in my case my phone ;) [07:24] handy thing from recovery: sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm [07:24] will prevent gdm from trying to start. [07:24] DanaG: yar good tip [07:25] then +x to get it back. [07:25] just updated the system and get an error...The greeter application appears to be crashing. Attempting to use a different one. so i click ok, and it tries to load, and i just get the same screen [07:25] NoelJB, no GDM updates [07:25] And you can still "sudo gdm" to start gdm manually, or just (non-sudo) startx. [07:25] DanaG: sh /etc/init.d/gdm start should work as wlel [07:25] regardless of +x [07:25] DanaG: true. and I thought that I could put the run level on the bootup, to boot to run level 3, but it didn't work, so I was just going to check the syntax. [07:26] * DanaG wishes the radeon driver had power management support. [07:26] also, just "text" on the command line for boot is supposed to prevent gdm from starting. [07:26] I never knew that until I saw a comment about it in the changelog for gdm a while ago. [07:26] I did try the previous kernel, but that didn't work. OH! I did get a message -- ONCE -- about the Greeter application crashing. [07:27] DanaG: text instead of "3"? Worth a shot. [07:27] xdm might be a reasonable interim substitute [07:27] DanaG, im trying to boot "text" now [07:27] billybigrigger: you having the same problem? [07:27] re [07:27] so bootchart worked, but the image is broken [07:28] mjc: I can get to the previous logs, since they are just on another partition. Anything you'd like for me to check? [07:28] the right side is cut-off i can watch only till 30secs after that the process-names are cut-off [07:28] NoelJB, whats your problem? [07:28] NoelJB: if you don't see any [WW] or [EE] lines in xorg log, try gdm log [07:28] i just updated my desktop and gdm wont start now [07:28] Oh yeah, the new notifications suck. [07:28] billybigrigger: BINGO [07:28] Dialogs for actions? ugly. [07:29] flickering on mouseover (that is, move mouse back and forth over it and it blinks, without any smoothness)... ugly. [07:29] Volume control: big empty black box. Lovely. [07:29] hey guys is it possible to start jaunty's xserver from a new tty even though im in mint on the other partition? [07:29] And black box itself clashes violently with my theme. [07:29] NoelJB, something that was just updated in the last 6 hours or so [07:29] NoelJB, gdm is fubard [07:30] oooooh wow [07:30] billybigrigger: that's why I popped in here to see if it had been reported, triaged, etc. [07:30] im have gdm issues too [07:30] having* [07:30] btw, might want to disclaim that I'm not actually affiliated with ubuntu [07:30] lol i got a new one...started x via recovery console, su'd billybigrigger, startx, then failed to initialize HAL and im getting infinate windows creating themselves [07:30] mjc: gdm.0.log.* are almost empty. [07:30] but I am fairly competent around the kernel source and have written tidbits of VM and driver code [07:31] NoelJB: hm [07:31] they just keep creating themselevs, no mouse, no keyboard [07:31] billybigrigger: start with text instead of recovery [07:31] mjc, couldnt figure out how [07:31] billybigrigger: you shouldn't expect recovery to get startx going [07:31] mjc: tail end looks like this ... [07:31] [ 0.001978] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Feb 19 02:09:00 2009 [07:31] [ 0.002077] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" [07:31] ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log [07:31] billybigrigger: hit e, then e on the kernel line, then add text at the end, and hit b [07:31]