=== bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [03:45] is there wobi for 9.04 [05:53] hiya [05:53] anybody still/yet awake? :) [06:50] dholbach: I am now ;) [06:50] didrocks: all good - followed up on bug 331324 already [06:50] Bug 331324 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/331324 is private [06:50] nobody from France in https://launchpad.net/~5-a-day-participants/+map ! [06:52] dholbach: did you blog about it? The new 5-a-day process ? [06:52] http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=366 [06:52] (didn't read yet the planet) [06:52] great. I will do it during the general presentation before chasing bug [06:53] so, I have to read the updated wiki pages :) [06:54] the new stats are not up yet, still working on them, but they'll be in place for the GBJ [06:54] now that xdm let me into my session, I can put some more work into it :) [06:55] great! I joined and tell people who will be present on the D Day when I will teach them a little about LP [06:55] yes, it's easier with a graphical session :p [06:56] * dholbach hugs didrocks [06:56] * didrocks hugs dholbach back :) [06:57] mes amis français(es?) :-) [06:58] dholbach: "françaises" might be more interesting for you ^^ [07:00] c'est le problème, si tu ne parles pas français du tout :) [07:00] errr jamais [07:01] * dholbach shrugs :) [07:01] excellent ^^ [07:01] excéllent! :-) [07:01] e? [07:01] if only my German had the same level [07:01] no, only "e" [07:01] excellent in French :) [07:02] ell -> the sound is "è" [07:02] ell -> [ "èl" ] [07:02] I read a few Harry Potter books in French and was surprised how much of it I still understood, but speaking French and actually stringing French words together is a nightmare :) [07:03] you seem to have a very good level. For every languages, I thing that reading/listening a language is easier that writing/speaking it === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:04] for instance, I think I can understand English very well (high score à TOEIC, I read English book every day, see series in VO...) [07:04] but as you can read, I make a lot of mistakes writing it [07:05] absolutely [07:06] "absolutely" -> "I do a lot of mistakes" ? :p [07:06] noooooo :) [07:06] ,- [07:06] ;) [07:06] (oupssss, it was a qwerty smiley) [07:07] * dholbach embrasse didrocks [07:07] maybe I need to do holidays in France :) [07:07] * didrocks étreint dholbach [07:08] :-) [07:08] * dholbach didn't know that one [07:09] it's not a very common one :) [07:09] but it corresponds more to "hug" than "embrasser" :) [07:09] ok :) [08:42] seb128: sorry for pestering you already, but do you know something about bug 331324 and bug 331292? :) [08:42] Bug 331324 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/331324 is private [08:42] Launchpad bug 331292 in gdm "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main() (dup-of: 331264)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331292 [08:42] Launchpad bug 331264 in ubuntu "Unable to log in "greeter application is crashing"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331264 [08:43] dholbach: works for me [08:43] dholbach: that's why I'm trying to get the retracer working, cf my ping to pitti on the other channel [08:43] WFM = NOTABUG? :-) [08:43] *nod* [08:43] dholbach: no, just "no clue, need a backtrace from somebody having the issue" [08:43] works fine on my intel laptop and ati desktop [08:43] I added retraced 331324 locally [08:43] danke [08:48] bug 330621 is pestering me too :-/ [08:48] Bug 330621 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/330621 is private [08:48] added a local retrace as well [08:49] dholbach: how do you fancing trying a gtk patch just in case that fix it? [08:49] dholbach: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gtk%2B/trunk/gdk/x11/gdkscreen-x11.c?r1=22327&r2=22370&pathrev=22370 [08:49] fix which one? the gdm one? [08:50] dholbach: yes, gdm didn't change recently the bug is a gtk one [08:50] I noticed :) [08:50] sure [08:50] seb128,mvo: when did we drop bulletproof X? [08:50] dholbach: gutsy? [08:50] now I can only click on "OK" when gdm is in the crash loop of hell [08:51] well, bulletproof X is about x not starting [08:51] the issue there is the gdm login screen crashing [08:51] nothing xorg can do about that [08:51] it could install xdm! [08:51] ;-) [08:52] argh [08:52] dholbach: what? [08:52] why does gtk use quilt?! [08:52] dholbach: just apply the patch to the source and build [08:53] seems you couldn't stop the madness when I left the team ;-) [08:53] dholbach: debian did that not me rather [08:55] haha [08:55] lintian complains now [08:55] patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff [08:55] hi tseliot [08:55] dholbach: hi :-) [08:57] seb128: I'll let it build now and take the dog for a walk - will report back in a bit [08:57] dholbach: danke [08:58] seb128: if there's anything I can do for the gnome-terminal/vte/something crash, let me know [08:58] seb128: up until now I was always lucky to have saved my work before [08:58] :-) [08:58] dholbach: I don't know about any crasher there [08:58] but maybe better to talk to mvo about vte [08:59] bug 330621 [08:59] Bug 330621 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/330621 is private === kagou` is now known as kagou [08:59] sorry, didn't get a better retrace done there [08:59] pitti: how do I tell apport not to stop me from filing bugs but instead to pop up everytime? [08:59] (just in case the issue comes up again) [09:02] dholbach: you mean for repeated crashes? just delete the old crash report, or move it away [09:02] ok [09:02] thanks [09:28] MR holbach! [09:29] dholbach: I recently read something of a baron d'holbach [09:29] cool guy [09:29] haha [09:30] I will call him d'holbach from own on, with a fake french accent :P [09:30] mvo: your french accent sounds anything but french ;-) [09:31] gicmo: a relative of mine actually did the work to trace back where the Holbachs came from and in the 1700s they came from France [09:31] not sure I'm related to THAT Holbach though [09:31] haven't even read what he has to say :) [09:31] mvo: hey hey, .. I love that idea! ;-) [09:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_d'Holbach [09:32] dholbach: one of the first "self-described" atheist [09:33] interesting biography [09:34] dholbach: still building? [09:34] seb128: yep [09:34] but almost done [09:42] seb128,mvo: just while I was installing the new GTK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/vte [09:44] seb128: the gtk patch does not seem to fix the issue [09:45] grrr [09:46] seb128: if you have another patch I should test, please let me know - I'm happy to help there [09:47] dholbach: what video driver do you use? [09:47] seb128: nv [09:47] hiya MacSlow [09:47] the issue seem to be mostly for nvidia users [09:48] can I recommend you buying a decent video card next time? ;-) [09:48] all video cards / drivers suck :) [09:48] hey dholbach, seb128, pitti, mvo [09:48] hi MacSlow [09:48] dholbach: I've no issue on my intel ;-) [09:49] hello MacSlow [09:49] * MacSlow has issues with intel on jaunty atm [09:49] MacSlow: seems like a bunch of people took alsdorf for a test drive: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd :-) [09:49] running jaunty now? ;-) [09:49] it's noticable jerkier than with intrepid [09:49] seb128: the rewritten intel driver (or whatever is causing messed up screens) sucks :) [09:50] dholbach, well we want that ... although I have not yet beaten my "personal" list of bugs to fix :) [09:50] dholbach: free software crap as you say right? [09:50] "free software shit!" - elmo's words [09:51] dholbach: ok, I used plan b for gtk and uploaded a version which doesn't do xrandr init, let me know how it works for you [09:51] graaa [09:51] cd .. [09:51] ls [09:51] ups [09:51] seb128: shall I test it here locally or just upgrade later on and see? [09:51] dholbach: wait, I screwed and uploaded the version which has the svn fix but doesn't work [09:52] seb128: with xdm I have a workaround now, so let me know when I shall test something - I'll do some other work now [09:52] will do thanks [09:52] making "getting touched bugs of ~5-a-day-participants to produce statistics" work :) [09:52] hey MacSlow - the notification fading works now on my box just fine [09:53] so no need for the client or the applet any more [09:53] (with latest compiz-fusion-plugins-main upload) [09:53] mvo: do you get any crashes or "just a black notification for volume changes"? [09:58] seb128: sorry - seems I have two separate vte crashes [09:58] dholbach: talk to mvo, I'm focussed on this gtk crasher for now [09:58] right-o [09:59] mvo, thanks a lot for integrating the patches! [10:04] MacSlow: ok, where are my screencasts, shots! [10:04] I wants them nowz! [10:05] gicmo, hey there [10:05] hey hey ;-) [10:05] gicmo, I'm bug-triaging right now [10:05] sure, I figured you were pretty busy [10:16] MacSlow: i wontfixed 331363 ... maybe check whether that was right [10:17] asac, that's correct -> "won't fix" [10:17] good [10:17] asac, we still need to link to the spec for the jaunty notifcations so people can easily read up our rationale behind this [10:18] MacSlow: hmm. couldnt we do that alrady? [10:18] i mean the blueprint main page should be public ... and we could link to it from bugs [10:19] asac: what change are you speaking about? [10:19] asac, I don't know the URL :) [10:19] asac: anyway https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines [10:19] ah cool [10:19] seb128, ah there mpt put it [10:19] seb128: is that the main spec page? [10:19] asac: that's the whole design team spec, it's public since this night [10:20] good [10:20] asac: hum no, not the whole spec for app change but the guidelines [10:20] does that mention why we show only one notification at the same time? [10:20] asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD [10:20] seb128: yeah. i thought there was a blueprint specicificall for OSG [10:20] OSD [10:20] asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Concatenating%20existing%20bubbles [10:21] yeah great. [10:21] i just post both links to the wont fix bug [10:21] cool [10:25] asac: i try to reproduce the nm crash during upgrades now, is there anything you know about it? i.e. if there is a way to trigger it [10:25] (e.g. needs to be on a wired network, wireless etc) [10:26] ok i twittered the notification wiki stuff ;) [10:26] mvo: no ... i just know "it happened for me" and it happened for others [10:26] mvo: i think its good thing to be connected to wired and wifi if possible [10:26] but probably just one connect way is enough [10:27] asac: I see what I can do [10:27] mvo: just keep it enabled in your upgrade tests [10:27] and hopefully it will show up [10:27] asac: yeah [10:27] asac: apport is now enabled too on upgrades [10:27] so we should be good [10:27] mvo: maybe the upgrade needs to be of long runinng nature [10:28] mine took like 5 hours ;) because i forgot to remove the whole kde and xfce stack [10:28] pitti: can you bump the gtk+2.0 build priority at least on i386 and amd64? [10:28] mvo: great. also for intrepid installs? [10:28] pitti: yesterday's upgrade makes gdm crash for some users = no login [10:28] asac: you mean for upgrades from stock intrepid? yes [10:28] mvo: did you manage to get a systme-connection setup? [10:28] seb128: done [10:29] pitti: I did upload a quick workaround for now but having it building would be nice [10:29] pitti: danke [10:29] asac: no, not yet [10:29] asac: currently its plain dhcp [10:30] mvo: ok. but you use NM? [10:30] or not? [10:30] i just want to ensure that NM is always used in your upgrade tests (except for server of course) [10:30] thought you need a system connection for that [10:30] asac: its installed and running, do I need to do more? [10:30] ok [10:30] mvo: do you have any clue what is lacking on ati RV610 card or driver to get compiz working? [10:31] mvo: i am not sure. if NM manages your network thats ok [10:31] hm, if I need a system connection I will have to add a option I guess [10:31] if you use ifupdown in /etc/network/interfaces its probably not [10:31] asac: thanks, I look into it [10:31] seb128: what does compiz print when you try to start it? [10:31] seb128: I suspect the 3d support for the r6xx is just not quite there yet [10:32] Software rasterizer detected, abortingaborting and using fallback [10:32] seb128: you can force the start, but you will most likely get white windows everywhere [10:32] how? [10:32] seb128: try "SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz" [10:33] oh ... dont do that ;) [10:33] the software rasterihzing feature at least killed me ;) [10:34] when skipping checks [10:34] amaraanth said that with software rasterizing you would probably get 2 frames ;) [10:34] * seb128 wonders why jockey is so slooooow [10:34] come on, taking 7-8 seconds to "detect drivers" when enable desktop effects [10:35] seb128: that is jockey [10:35] mvo: what I just wrote, * seb128 wonders why jockey is so slooooow [10:35] asac: have you tried it? [10:35] seb128: yes, just noticed [10:35] ;-) [10:36] some people get just white windows with no textures [10:36] ok, white screen [10:36] no compiz for me then, will teach me to buy a cheap and recent ati card [10:36] mvo i got white screen too [10:36] http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature [10:37] that lists textures as "WIP" [10:37] with bunch of manual things i had compiz once running [10:37] but that was an accident and was not usable [10:37] asac: on what card? [10:37] R580? let me look [10:38] the r5xx should be much better support [10:38] maybe you are unlukey [10:38] 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R580 [Radeon X1900] Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Device 0b12 [10:38] i think 580 is an exception [10:42] is slomo MIA? gst-plugins-bad-multiverse needs a rebuild against the new libmjpegtools and libx264 [10:42] tjaalton: he's not doing ubuntu direct work for a while [10:42] seb128: ok [10:44] is it known that the greeter app is crashing? [10:44] just what I was about to ask :) [10:45] gnomefreak: bug #331324 [10:45] Launchpad bug 331324 in gtk+2.0 "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331324 [10:45] do you all use nvidia cards? [10:45] yes.. [10:45] gnomefreak, tjaalton: use xdm! :) [10:45] that seem to be nvidia specific, I don't get it on my intel or ati installs [10:45] dholbach: soo 90's ;) [10:46] tjaalton: feels like 70s :) [10:46] the new gtk is building at the moment so try to get the updated deb in one hour and let me know if that fix your issue === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [10:47] sure, thanks [10:48] I'll try to build gst-p-b-m and if it does, upload [10:52] nope, didn't [10:52] lunch-> [11:27] dholbach: gtk built now [11:27] dholbach: you are using amd64? [11:27] yes [11:28] dholbach: ok, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.15.4-0ubuntu3/+build/875402 is waiting for binaries to be published now [11:28] dholbach: please try after your break [11:29] will do [11:34] MacSlow: so flickering is fixed after latest upgrades. thanks. i closed the bug [11:35] asac, you're welcome === pochu_ is now known as pochu [11:54] asac: hm, so I'm in NM now and click on "avaiable for all users" while editing a connection. that grays out the apply button [11:56] seb128: Could you ack (and process?) bug 330440? I think this is what causes bug 331023 [11:56] Launchpad bug 330440 in mono-addins "Please sync mono-addins 0.4-3 (main) from Debian experimental (main)." [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330440 [11:56] Launchpad bug 331023 in f-spot "Context Menu and export menu contain no entries (Jaunty)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331023 [11:57] Laney: acked [11:57] Laney: I'll do sync a bit later if nobody else is quicker, I'm about to go for lunch [11:57] cool, thanks [11:57] (you need to subscribe the archive in that case) [11:58] ah right, I closed the bug now and need to go, can you do that? [11:58] I can, but I cannot unsubscribe u-m-s [11:58] done [11:58] sponsors unsubscribed [11:59] seb128, gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main(), known? [11:59] mpt: do you think I should change the auto-launch interval for the unstable distro to something like 24h or 12h or so? [11:59] fta2: using nvidia videocard? [11:59] yes [11:59] fta2: known issue, upgrade the gtk when the new binaries will be published or get those on launchpad [12:00] seb128, ok, thanks. [12:01] asac: geh, I get a huge dialog telling me "you are not connected to "wirded connection 1" in jaunty (with ok, cancel, dont'show) [12:02] asac: but I'm still not able to set it systemwide [12:07] mvo_: what are you trying to do? [12:07] btw, that dialog will go away today [12:08] obviously [12:08] asac: I try to set a system connection [12:09] mvo_: you have to create a new one [12:09] and directly flag it as system [12:09] (intrepid) [12:09] _dont_ try to change auto connections [12:09] asac: I'm on jaunty now [12:09] mvo_: thats called "all users" [12:10] "Connection available to all userse" [12:10] asac: as soon as I click on the all users checkbox my apply button is set to insensitive [12:10] let me try [12:10] hmm doesnt happen here [12:10] Argh. Half my notify-osd bugs about how it omits features present in notification-daemon are getting closed "Invalid", "Won't Fix", "It's by design" [12:10] maybe a policy kit thing? [12:11] asac: I guess :/ if you can point me to a config file example I will just use that [12:11] mvo_: what kind of config do you want? [12:11] just dhpc? [12:11] asac: just a dhcp on eth0 managed by NM [12:12] mvo_: do you have two wired interfaces? [12:12] if so give me the Mac of the interface you want to use [12:12] asac: no, just one [12:14] mvo_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/mvodhcp [12:14] drop that in /etc/NetworkNanager/system-connections [12:14] and killall nm-system-settings [12:15] thanks asac [12:16] i hope that config is compatible with intrepid [12:16] i think so actually [12:19] yoohooo [12:19] new gtk fixes gdm login problem :) [12:20] hm, my camera is no longer auto-mounted, and nautilus is not able to mount it either :( [12:21] ok, the good old mount worked. bad gnome [12:21] gasp, tracker-extract crashed with signal 5 in IA__g_malloc0(), repetitively [12:23] asac: that seems to work, I run a test with that now [12:23] mvo_: good [12:24] mvo_: so what did you do when it didnt work for you? [12:24] just created a new connection and then tried to check the "all users" thing? [12:24] i think there is a bug open abou tthat [12:25] asac: yes [12:25] but i didnt know that its actually reproducible by someone with skills ;) [12:25] asac: crated new connection, click on "for all" - gone [12:25] * mvo_ wonders who that would be [12:25] you! [12:25] ;) [12:25] * mvo_ hides under a rock [12:26] mvo_: so now that there is such a connection ... can you still not create a new one? [12:26] asac: the upgrade test it running just now, I can check when it is finished [12:26] sure [12:27] maybe it even goes away when i upload rc1 later today [12:27] dan said he fixed some applet bugs [12:27] ok, cool [12:30] sigh [12:30] so how to produce a tarball from git? [12:30] git-tar-tree(1) [12:30] (deprecated) Create a tar archive of the files in the named tree object. [12:30] i remember i used something like export [12:30] but i cannot find it anymore in man git [12:31] hah git-archive ;) [12:31] git-archive(1) [12:31] Create an archive of files from a named tree. [12:41] dholbach: thanks for confirming it's fixed with the update! [12:41] asac: hm, NM is not cool, it takes down my network connection during the upgrade [12:41] asac: I can give you the full syslog output, but it seems its caused by hal disappearing [12:42] mvo_: hal disappearing is a problem [12:42] that shouldnt happen actually [12:42] deactivating device (reason: 36) (I'm glad its not 42!) [12:42] and there is also error 34 [12:42] 42? is that because you are 42 years old? [12:42] I feel like 84 [12:42] (but I'm just 21) [12:42] or maybe something in between [12:43] I can put the syslog up once I have network back in this machine [12:43] mvo_: /* The device was removed */ [12:43] NM_DEVICE_STATE_REASON_REMOVED, [12:43] asac: hal is restarted early in the upgrade [12:44] mvo_: why? [12:44] cant that wait till reboot? [12:44] asac: because that is what the hal postinst does [12:44] hmm [12:44] asac: pitti probably knows if it can be postpone [12:44] d [12:44] seems to be a dbus like discussion [12:45] it has also not given the device back [12:45] I mean, I see that the device goes away on stop, but why did it not re-add it on start again? [12:46] mvo_: i think i restarted hal a few times [12:46] mvo_: maybe udev? [12:47] asac: sec, I check [12:47] mvo_: so at least my 3g doesnt go down on hal restart: [12:47] Feb 19 13:47:28 tinya NetworkManager: HAL disappeared [12:47] Feb 19 13:47:29 tinya acpid: client connected from 8290[110:122] [12:47] Feb 19 13:47:29 tinya NetworkManager: HAL re-appeared [12:47] Feb 19 13:47:29 tinya NetworkManager: Found radio killswitch /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_4230_rfkill_4965AGN_wlan [12:47] asac: udev is replaced, but it does not look like anything is started [12:48] mvo_: hmm .. at best post your thing [12:51] asac, mvo_, pitti: are you guys still in a feature freeze rush or do you think you could do some sponsoring today or tomorrow? [12:53] seb128: working on my pre-last FF item (bug 124338) [12:53] Launchpad bug 124338 in apport "[feature request] apport/launchpad possibility to attach apport report to already reported bugs" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124338 [12:53] seb128: next thing is to disable the indicator applet for stracciatella, then my FF stuff is done [12:53] seb128: 124338 is done, just uploading [12:54] bug #124338 [12:54] the one above :) [12:54] asac: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/tmp/nm-upgrade-syslog [12:54] asac: check aroudn Feb 19 13:35:28 [12:54] pitti: ah right [12:54] seb128: should be ok, I need to finish a langauge-selector review [12:54]