| [reed] | asac: um, NM is doubling my network interfaces | 03:49 |
|---|---|---|
| asac | [reed]: only 3G devices? | 09:29 |
| asac | oh intrepid? | 09:29 |
| asac | then its not NM, but udev and hal | 09:29 |
| asac | mconnor: so seems there is something public - finally: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines | 10:22 |
| asac | there also is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD for the new notification daemon, but i guess only the design guidelines matter to you | 10:23 |
| gnomefreak | is gdm broken for anyone else? | 10:35 |
| asac | hmmm .... havent re-logged in | 10:41 |
| asac | gnomefreak: ask on -desktop | 10:41 |
| asac | ? | 10:41 |
| gnomefreak | i will im trying a few things but since gdm is crashing i doubt anythink else will help | 10:42 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| fta2 | dtchen, help! after a fresh upgrade (no ppa), i lost sound completely, p-a just sees a "null output" device. http://paste.ubuntu.com/120087/ | 12:05 |
| fta2 | d'oh | 13:49 |
| fta2 | E: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 13835058055282159680 bytes (418293516387 ms) Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the PulseAudio developers. | 13:49 |
| fta2 | Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating. | 13:49 |
| fta2 | Hard CPU time limit exhausted, terminating forcibly. | 13:49 |
| fta2 | Abort | 13:49 |
| asac | fta2: are you using all defaults? | 13:57 |
| fta2 | on this box, yes | 14:02 |
| BUGabundo | good afternoon everyone | 14:02 |
| BUGabundo | asac: I "accidently" removed NMs DHCP entrie | 14:02 |
| BUGabundo | I made a new one, but its not default anymore! | 14:02 |
| BUGabundo | how can I fix it? | 14:02 |
| * BUGabundo h@tes the new gwibber notifies popups for jaunty :( | 14:03 | |
| asac | BUGabundo: best way is to go and remove the connection you dont want to connect to anymore | 14:03 |
| asac | BUGabundo: that will be fixed once archive admins push it through | 14:03 |
| asac | or use latest gwibber bzr | 14:04 |
| BUGabundo | I have the daily | 14:04 |
| BUGabundo | let me check for updates | 14:04 |
| BUGabundo | asac: but I have 4 connections in there | 14:04 |
| BUGabundo | I can't delete them all, just to make (manual) DHCP be the 1st | 14:05 |
| asac | BUGabundo: just disable autoconnect for the others | 14:06 |
| BUGabundo | ah | 14:07 |
| BUGabundo | but that also comes in handy when NM detects the same network | 14:07 |
| asac | BUGabundo: if its wireless and multiple APs withauto connect on are detected | 14:09 |
| asac | its supposed to connect to the last used | 14:09 |
| asac | if notits a bug | 14:09 |
| BUGabundo | its wired | 14:09 |
| BUGabundo | asac: I complain from having 300+ bugs | 14:43 |
| BUGabundo | but you have 1611 results | 14:43 |
| BUGabundo | xiiii | 14:43 |
| BUGabundo | oh come on | 14:46 |
| BUGabundo | there's a https://edge.launchpad.net/~canonical-smokers ?!? | 14:46 |
| BUGabundo | I bet gnomefreak is in it too | 14:46 |
| BUGabundo | smoke is bad... you guys should do your best to stop! | 14:46 |
| === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand | ||
| asac | BUGabundo: not sure what "bug" means ;) | 15:01 |
| asac | in this count | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | sub to.... | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | I guess | 15:01 |
| asac | i that the number of bugs still open that one has touched? | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | as team or package manager | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | AFAIK its bugs you are notified of | 15:02 |
| BUGabundo | I would think | 15:02 |
| asac | no i think its a bug you have touched or either are explicitly subscribed to | 15:02 |
| asac | and that is still open | 15:03 |
| asac | you can go to advanced search and search for all states and unhide duplicates | 15:03 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 15:03 |
| BUGabundo | sure, it won't count dups | 15:03 |
| fta2 | how can i enter a ♥ or a ♲ in gwibber?? | 15:09 |
| asac | hehe | 15:11 |
| asac | ok i am out for a few hours running some errands | 15:12 |
| fta2 | how come fta is not here? | 16:15 |
| BUGabundo | ahahahahahahahahahah | 16:19 |
| BUGabundo | DOA ? | 16:19 |
| fta2 | i see no difference /wrt the notifications, is it supposed to be a new default that i missed or should I install something? | 16:35 |
| asac | fta2: notify-osd | 16:46 |
| asac | do you have that installed/running? | 16:47 |
| BUGabundo | I don't | 16:48 |
| BUGabundo | not even installed | 16:48 |
| BUGabundo | I didn't have ubuntu-desktop lol | 16:48 |
| BUGabundo | I thought I fixed that | 16:49 |
| fta2 | asac, nope, should I | 16:57 |
| BUGabundo | hummm fta2 if it comes with ubuntu-desktop, yes | 16:59 |
| BUGabundo | fta2: gwibber DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.86 was not provided by any .service files | 17:00 |
| BUGabundo | tells you anything? | 17:00 |
| fta2 | nope, it's running fine here | 17:01 |
| fta2 | but i only use identi.ca | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | humm its running fine here too | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | but it just crashed | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | prob failed to parse something | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | oh and you gonna "kill" me again | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | I installed from bzr | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | ehehe | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | couldn't handle all those popups | 17:03 |
| BUGabundo | lets see if the next daily will run, or will I have to purge it | 17:03 |
| fta2 | for me, it sometimes crashes when i start to write something but forget to submit it | 17:11 |
| BUGabundo | ehe | 17:11 |
| BUGabundo | mine tends to crash if I'm TOO FAST | 17:12 |
| BUGabundo | buffer bug | 17:12 |
| BUGabundo | ? | 17:12 |
| === stevel_ is now known as stevel | ||
| asac | ok ... out for another two hours or so. | 18:05 |
| asac | (again) | 18:06 |
| asac | cu later | 18:06 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| fta | SEAMONKEY_2_0a3_RELEASE | 19:43 |
| fta | FIREFOX_3_0_7_BUILD2 | 19:43 |
| ezzieyguywuf | i would like to write an extension for thunderbird but dont know where to start as far as documentation for developing for thunderbird. can anyone provide me with some resources? | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ping | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | are you around? | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | would like to discuss something with you, before emailing -discuss ML | 22:02 |
| ezzieyguywuf | any help guys? | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | ezzieyguywuf: this is a calm time now | 22:04 |
| ezzieyguywuf | ok | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | please email the mozilla team ML | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | if you can't stay around | 22:05 |
| === fta2_ is now known as fta2 | ||
| BUGabundo | fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805 | 22:23 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 331805 in gwibber "rev 245 will not clear message field" [Undecided,New] | 22:23 |
| fta2 | ahh, at last! | 22:26 |
| fta | :) | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | yay | 22:27 |
| fta | power down, my whole office, probably a fried fuse | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | you got your clone back | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805 | 22:27 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 331805 in gwibber "rev 245 will not clear message field" [Undecided,New] | 22:27 |
| fta | caused by the power adapter of my laptop | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | ahah... really lucky then | 22:27 |
| fta | no idea if it's a fuse, the plug in the wall is dead | 22:28 |
| fta | i had to recable everything | 22:28 |
| fta | and fsck all the disks in my desktop :P | 22:28 |
| fta2 | ++ | 22:29 |
| fta | so, what about gwibber? | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | ehe | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805 | 22:32 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 331805 in gwibber "rev 245 will not clear message field" [Undecided,New] | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | for the 3rd time | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | humm you burned the wall socket with the power adpatar? | 22:32 |
| fta | sorry, i'm still booting all my stuff | 22:32 |
| fta | yes | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | damn... what does it use ? lolol | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | np, just kidding | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | take most of what I say with an hand of salt (joke) | 22:33 |
| fta | donno what happened, the laptop was fine in another room, i move it close to my desktop, plugged the power, boom, everything dead | 22:33 |
| fta | checked everything, the wall socket is dead | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 22:34 |
| fta | tried the power module in another plug, huge spark | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | be carful | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | those can hurt you if you don't know what u are doing | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | I have some experience with it | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | my dad is an electritian | 22:35 |
| fta | i'm an engineering in electronics ;) | 22:36 |
| fta | and in advanced CS too btw | 22:36 |
| fta | but i hate electronics | 22:36 |
| fta | BUGabundo, nope, never experienced 331805 | 22:37 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 22:37 |
| BUGabundo | I was 4 years in university on Computer Electronics and Electricity | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | but then changed to computer science eng | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | had my last exam today (SGRAI = OpenGL) | 22:39 |
| fta | when i was still at school, opengl was in its infancy, i used GL a bit on Irix, i never used openGL | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | I really don't enjoy it | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | I know its trully powerfull | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | I made an homer go around in the world | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 22:45 |
| fta | eh? | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | but I don't enjoy coding all that much | 22:45 |
| fta | i only enjoy it when it's for myself, that includes opensource | 22:47 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | I understand | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | the power to do it yourself | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | improve stuff that you need / like | 22:48 |
| asac | BUGabundo: what discussion? | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | ah?? | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ahhh now I remmember what | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 22:54 |
| * BUGabundo has really bad memory | 22:54 | |
| asac | as long as you have remembory its ok ;) | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | what would you say to a proposal of having some of the packages that are on PPA, from CoreDevs on Universe? | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | during devel period | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | and who knows even after release | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | but with a diff name | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | pic NM | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | stable branch on Main | 22:55 |
| asac | i dont see the benefit ;) | 22:56 |
| BUGabundo | and a replacble version (maybe NM-dev or something) on universe | 22:56 |
| asac | why would you want to do that? | 22:56 |
| BUGabundo | two things | 22:56 |
| BUGabundo | mirroring from archive mirrors (PPAs are not mirrored) | 22:56 |
| BUGabundo | and having easy access to users, without adding PPAs | 22:57 |
| asac | i dont buy any of those | 22:57 |
| asac | i mean mirroring is not a problem | 22:57 |
| asac | i doubt that there is any significant load/bottleneck in bandwidth | 22:57 |
| asac | and coredevs would put their stuff in archive instead of PPA if they would consider it ready for broader distribution | 22:58 |
| BUGabundo | humm I do notice it | 22:58 |
| BUGabundo | my local/national mirrors are way faster | 22:58 |
| asac | yes, but even if there is a bottleneck in bandwidth ;) ... there are many approaches besides from puttin it into the universe | 22:58 |
| asac | ask your mirror to mirror popular PPAs ;) | 22:59 |
| asac | but the important part is really, that when i put stuff into PPA, I dont want it in the archive | 23:00 |
| asac | one main usecase is obviously backports | 23:00 |
| asac | there is ubuntu-backports, but what i understood a few dont like to enable backports | 23:01 |
| asac | hence i use PPAs | 23:01 |
| asac | maybe thats the wrong approach though | 23:01 |
| asac | let me relogin | 23:01 |
| asac | a minute | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | I enable backports | 23:02 |
| BUGabundo | but I don't for proposed | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | and that's what I say on my FOSS class... | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | by the away new ones start 7 of march | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | yay | 23:03 |
| asac | BUGabundo: ok the notification things are now fixed in latest nm-applet from today | 23:06 |
| asac | gwibber probably takes another day | 23:06 |
| asac | ask the gwibber team to update their ppa ;) | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | using trunk seems to fix it | 23:07 |
| asac | yeah | 23:07 |
| asac | it landed everywhere | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | and ppl are complaining about NM lolol | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | now I just miss exaile, firefox, and pidgin, kmail, and im done | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 23:08 |
| asac | firefox? | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | basicly that what I use | 23:08 |
| asac | firefox should be fine | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | plus a few bt clients | 23:08 |
| asac | firefox will still keep its own thing | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | humm haven't seen any FF show up in there | 23:08 |
| BUGabundo | ahh ok | 23:08 |
| asac | BUGabundo: interesting that people complain a lot ... i wanted t close a bug on upload and had to file one, because there was non reported | 23:09 |
| asac | so i didnt really get many complains ;) | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | yah | 23:09 |
| asac | but well. most dont upgrade daily if they run jaunty | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | ppl talk much do little | 23:09 |
| asac | too much disruption | 23:09 |
| asac | more like once a week | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | hey, I can't open any more bugs | 23:09 |
| asac | and especially not short before FF ;) | 23:09 |
| asac | where everything goes in | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | I do it 2/4 times a day | 23:09 |
| asac | thats ok | 23:09 |
| asac | i dont need many bugs. | 23:10 |
| asac | just the most important ones ;) | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | I love to see coments from ppl saying " hay 200 MiBs of updates" | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | eehe | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | I get way more! | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | btw I haven YET received a single email over the NM bug mail | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | strange! | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | thought it would be more | 23:10 |
| asac | what did you do? | 23:10 |
| asac | subscribed to nm? | 23:11 |
| asac | BUGabundo you seem to be not subscribed to the package | 23:12 |
| asac | BUGabundo: look in 47379 | 23:13 |
| asac | you should be in the "Also notified" list | 23:13 |
| asac | thats who is subscribed in general mostly | 23:13 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 23:13 |
| BUGabundo | I subs to the team bug mail | 23:13 |
| * BUGabundo checks to be sure | 23:13 | |
| BUGabundo | not the package it self | 23:13 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yeah thats not it | 23:13 |
| asac | go to the bugs page | 23:13 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 23:13 |
| asac | and subscribe | 23:13 |
| BUGabundo | now I get it | 23:13 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/ | 23:14 |
| asac | there is "subscribe to bugmail" | 23:14 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+subscribe | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | shouldn't the team be subs to bug mail of the package? | 23:14 |
| asac | no please not | 23:14 |
| asac | thats good as it is ;) | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | DONE | 23:14 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet | 23:15 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+subscribe | 23:15 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp | 23:15 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-vpnc | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | see team was easier | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 23:15 |
| asac | well ... better not force that on team members | 23:16 |
| asac | should be opt in what everyone likes | 23:16 |
| BUGabundo | 4x DONE | 23:17 |
| asac | welcome | 23:18 |
| asac | i think its more effective to use website and do like | 23:19 |
| asac | 1 day New processing | 23:19 |
| asac | 1 day incomplete | 23:19 |
| asac | 1 day confirmed | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | humm I use email a lot | 23:19 |
| asac | or something | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | and started to learn the LP api | 23:19 |
| asac | well ... problem is that if you have too many bugs combined with bad memory | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | so maybe I can get a few stuff on queue for when I'm offline | 23:19 |
| asac | you will not get anything done ;) | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | most of my day... | 23:19 |
| asac | just mail that causes more mail and so on ;) | 23:19 |
| asac | going through new mail list is much more efficient ;) | 23:20 |
| asac | personal work style dependent of course | 23:20 |
| asac | you could also use mail and focus on like 20 bugs | 23:20 |
| asac | and then finish them and go for another ;) | 23:20 |
| asac | but i cannot do that | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | let me see how it goes | 23:21 |
| asac | for me that would require some more advanced bug flow tool | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | if I can't handle it, I just leave you with more work | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 23:21 |
| asac | yes | 23:21 |
| asac | i just want to prevent traffic without moving forward ;) | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | and the API could be fun | 23:21 |
| asac | you can do whatever you want of course | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | I have to test with it a but | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | *bit | 23:21 |
| asac | just try to remember what i said so you know what to do when you think things are not moving as quick as they could ;) | 23:22 |
| asac | sure | 23:22 |
| asac | BUGabundo: so the ideal mix is like dong the website style batches like i said regularly | 23:23 |
| asac | and if there ar ebugs that you are interested in particular you subscribe and filter that mail to a higher prio mailbox | 23:23 |
| asac | so you get quicker turnarounds | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 23:23 |
| fta | i just updated the gwibber-team ppa with 0.8 | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | wasn't it 1.0? | 23:24 |
| asac | so you can combine the "focus on 20 bugs" with the "bug triaging by states on website" | 23:24 |
| asac | fta: thanks | 23:24 |
| asac | that was much needed | 23:24 |
| fta | BUGabundo, nope, there's no such thing as 1.0 | 23:24 |
| dtchen | fta: the error that you pasted WRT 0.9.14 means hw:0 couldn't be opened. Are the sound drivers loaded? Is your user in the audio group? | 23:24 |
| fta | dtchen, this problem disappeared by itself | 23:25 |
| dtchen | mmkay | 23:25 |
| asac | fta: did you upload to jaunty ppa? | 23:26 |
| fta | dtchen, it started after today's massive update + a reboot | 23:26 |
| asac | i think i still have intrepid url in there | 23:26 |
| asac | can i update tat to jaunty? | 23:26 |
| fta | asac, yes, why not? | 23:26 |
| fta | i'm using gwibber-daily btw | 23:27 |
| asac | not sure ... i think when i added that jcastro said they had no jaunty | 23:27 |
| asac | fta: i got bzr 200 | 23:27 |
| asac | thats probably outdated? | 23:27 |
| fta | https://edge.launchpad.net/~gwibber-team/+archive/ppa | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | yeah asac | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | im on 245 | 23:28 |
| asac | probably wait till its build then | 23:29 |
| asac | me | 23:29 |
| asac | ok taking a break | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | fta: will the jaunty gwibber be kept in sync with PPA? | 23:34 |
| fta | yes, all my stuff are in sync, whatever PPA combination you may have, the best version wins, that's it. | 23:35 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 23:36 |
| BUGabundo | ill keep daily, plus ocassional bzr trunk for quick fix | 23:36 |
| fta | why bzr trunk? can't you wait 24h max? | 23:37 |
| BUGabundo | example: todays annoying bug with popups: answer: NO | 23:37 |
| fta | there's a problem with the dailies though, the version is lower than 0.8 :( upstream should bump the version in trunk | 23:37 |
| BUGabundo | humm???? | 23:38 |
| fta | 0.8~bzr < 0.8 | 23:38 |
| fta | trunk should be 0.8.1 or 0.9 or whatever > 0.8 | 23:39 |
| BUGabundo | ah | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | but why? | 23:40 |
| fta | to be ahead | 23:40 |
| fta | according to apt | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | so bzr trunk _should_ be ahead of package versions | 23:41 |
| fta | once 0.8 is in universe, the daily ppa will be useless, as versions will be lower | 23:41 |
| BUGabundo | is that it? | 23:41 |
| fta | yes | 23:42 |
| BUGabundo | ok got it | 23:42 |
| BUGabundo | have you let know them that? | 23:42 |
| BUGabundo | do you want me to email/file a bug about that? | 23:42 |
| BUGabundo | or ping guys on #gwibber irc #? | 23:42 |
| fta | i asked oldmanuk already, nada | 23:42 |
| fta | i'm not on their network, i should probably file a bug | 23:43 |
| BUGabundo | sub me to it when you do | 23:45 |
| fta | gnome-do 0.8.1~trunk+r1005-0~8.10~ppa1 yeah, funny version | 23:46 |
| fta | open-vm-tools 2008.08.08-109361-1ubuntu2.2~andersk4 lol | 23:46 |
| BUGabundo | hehe | 23:46 |
| fta | network-manager-applet 0.7.1~rc1+20090219+bzr974-0ubuntu1 :) | 23:47 |
| asac | fta: heh :) ... yeah i took 0.7.1~rc1 + 1 commit | 23:48 |
| BUGabundo | http://www.funtasticus.com/20090219/t-shirts-can-tell-you-important-stuff/ | 23:50 |
| BUGabundo | ROFL | 23:50 |
| asac | slow | 23:51 |
| BUGabundo | time to hit the sack! see you guys (and galls if any around) tomorrow. don't you ever sleep? its late on your timezone | 23:53 |
| asac | heh | 23:54 |
| asac | cu | 23:54 |
| asac | ill sleep soonish | 23:54 |
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